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Hi Tom, how's it going man?
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I'm doing really good.
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Good, well if you've had yourself a good sighting here I believe down a little rock with
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All right and well if you could shoot a long give me a date in the time and some details
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and we'll just take her from there.
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You know it was Christmas night right about twilight when I left little rock heading for
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It was not my favorite thing to do and being a tell us Christmas you can imagine I was in
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a very peculiar mood as I left the house at the big party and I topped up a fresh cup
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of hot coffee and had my nap that afternoon so I was ready to drive to Montgomery, Alabama
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where I had to go to a funeral the following day.
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So I'm a bit of an independent kind of guy and I drive it down there on my own and I just
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get to the edge of this little rock over the bridge.
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We have a twin city, little rock, north, little rock.
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And as I just get sort of near the city limits of north little rock heading out towards
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Memphis I'm looking out into an open blank farm area with no particular city lights in
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front of me to my right is the little rock airport section of town and I happen to be
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noticing the various approaching and departing aircraft at that time.
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So I noted on my watch it was about 6.37 o'clock and I knew I had a rough time frame to get there
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by midnight or so it was sort of the way I did the travel.
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And as I was leaving town I looked into this guy and I saw two airplanes appear that were
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sleeping in at a astounding speed as if two jets following tail and tail pursued directly
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towards the little rock airport.
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Now at this point when I noticed them they sort of broke through the clouds.
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I want to tell you it was approximately a three to four mile visibility in terms of
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the way most people report their air visibility.
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And from my perspective it looked like they were at a typical jet airplane altitude when
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I first came into my attention but they were swooping in at such an incredibly acute
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They came in very fast maybe what a plane's travel 350 miles an hour, 400 miles an hour
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and they're coming in as if it's almost they're going to hit the ground.
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They literally looked like beauty cars.
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Compared to a normal landing approach at that time in that particular air space.
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So I couldn't help but slow my car down to a relatively slow speed on the freeway here
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and I started studying them intentionally and I noticed that being in how they were really
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one right on the tail of the other it couldn't quite fathom why this scene was unfolding.
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Now this was shortly after September 11th.
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But awareness here was higher.
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Well I was able to make out that the foreground craft was larger than the one behind it.
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This was part of the tail tail.
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Yeah, emphasis here was the foreground craft seemed to have a bright white light on it and
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the rear craft seemed to have yellow light.
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So that's where the quality of their right and their motions were very rapid.
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So as they descended they came down and it began to behave not unlike helicopters floating
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about what I might describe as five to eight nine hundred feet above the ground.
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At points maybe hovering?
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Well they weren't exactly coming to a stop at the point.
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We're still talking about an airplane like speed.
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And at this point they'd be starting to behave relatively like say a 20 inch incest now
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Again again this is a farm area so I've probably seen a lot of crop duster.
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Here they were flying at about the height of a typical crop duster at its very highest.
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And as they began to come at me their speed relative became slower and slower so the scale
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became very apparent that the foreground craft was you know pretty big looking shed like
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And the one behind it was smaller but again my eyes were on the big one.
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So it had been sort of like shift.
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This is looking at these things at a distance of maybe a mile and well maybe two and a half
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So they're pretty far away as I began to gently focus on them.
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And I could see the actual aircraft like shape of the foreground object from the horizontal
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And how it had a wing like a appearance and a tail like section and a true fuselage appearance.
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That was important because as I continue to describe this you'll see this is a big black
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triangular aircraft.
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And it begins to come straight at me at which point it nearly came to a complete halt.
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And here it was not more two blocks away.
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Now at this point I'm looking at something that's clearly bigger than a Boeing 737.
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And behind it I can tell it's a smaller helicopter that has all the appearance of a US military
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And I just looked it up that the Huey helicopter with the full armament for an aircraft, missiles
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and all that sort of thing.
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Now and again I'm a little bit aware of civilian craft but I'm not a expert of it kind
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So I'm studying this closely.
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I slowed my car down.
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It's just virtually a crawl observing that it was going to come just in front of my
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car if we both continued at the same speed.
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And it starts gently coming directly towards the not more few degrees in front of my windshield
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So as it's coming at me I can make out Brian very clearly the lighting pattern and the
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general physics of this thing.
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And it had a circular area in the center.
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And actually here come I'm got to I've just brought up your your great graphics and excellent
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And so I'm so now I'm listening to this and I can see what you're talking about the
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Well, it had this big round circle in the center which had the appearance of a glowing
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When I refer to a white light I'm going to tell you a relative to sunlight because I'm
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And sunlight for me is 9500 degrees Kelvin.
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Give her take a opinion on what light box you want to look at that day.
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But I'm looking at a blueish colored light as most people would observe.
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And against it and surrounding this circle was a row a circle of what appeared to be
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a swimming pool lamp.
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Big glass dome on a commercial scale with sort of a 16 to 20 inch profile to the glass
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Surrounded in a trim ring a glowing perfectly consistent yellow 3200 degree Kelvin at most
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And it's the color temperature is not worthy because against the blueish center.
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I could see the stable form of the outer lamp.
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Now it was also a perfectly symmetrical ring of lamp that I'm trying to draw.
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I think I concluded I had 11 members creating a 12 point clock light.
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And in the ball area in the center it was not operating in a very bright intensity and
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consequently see what appeared to be a dichroic glass reflective surface on the inside.
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And that's why it sort of appears.
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And actually in your in your the bottom of this diagram here the graphic it almost looks
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like a sort of indentation.
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Like in other words like a pea pod.
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And anyways it's the best I think you can think up by looking at it.
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But and it sort of looks like everything was sort of in set a little bit.
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Now you know when you go to the house of mirrors at the state fair and they have mirrors
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adjacent to mirrors adjacent to mirrors.
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One can get an elusive sense of space that may or may not be real.
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And I could see that the panels on the inside of this ball were like an inverted mirror ball.
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And as this thing continues to very very gently come towards me I make out more and more
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Undeniably I'm looking at a ripped array of reflective surfaces that create a constitutive
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Now here's where it really got interesting right on the corners of the triangular ship.
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They appear to have a small circle area as well that's a cut away a hole.
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And then there's a very bright and very adjustable type of lamp source behind that would
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be here to have a servo quality like what we call a vera light in the states like this.
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And it can not only vary its width and its focal point but also its intensity.
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And it was that thing because I'm looking at this too.
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Now as this thing is flying around, were these like a term would be sweeping the ground,
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any pinneries or most?
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What was most worthy at this point is that the three triangular corner position enable
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three distinctly separate sweeping motions of light.
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Being fitted in and the circles that they left on the ground I would say would be of equal
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So it nearly appeared to be establishing a sweep pattern in the surface.
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So in the sense a computer might want to record a textural surface.
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Now again, it's continuing toward me and I'm making every effort possible to study the
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bottom edge of this thing.
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And the first thing I think I noticed was that the lines that it's designed as a nearly
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perfect triangle but it actually is longer in the primal dimension than it is on the
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And the edges are not perfectly straight lines.
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I'm saying that because I was looking directly down adjacent to what would be I guess it's
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left wing for starboard.
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And on the wing facing toward me that would have been parallel for a sorry perpendicular
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So it was looking relatively flat.
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But again, it was in a such a way I could see it.
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The whole thing is a slightly curvilinear.
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It was a membrane like a rubber band.
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Form stretched around, just trying to outer.
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And these circular lights on the corners were just sort of scanning randomly across the
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It's like sort of like a cotton field over here.
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And here he's coming straight at me.
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I'm looking into the circle in the middle as it begins to be truly overhead.
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And I can see that there is a strangely shaped metal assembly in the center of this.
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And this metal assembly appeared to be like a flat cap surface of approximately two or
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three feet around that was suspended and hanging down on a pole like surface.
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So I'm looking at a bright ball with a sort of a blackish gray circle dot in the center
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Wondering why does it have a dot in it and is it in fact hovering or not hovering?
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Now instantly in the matter of the third of a second, this thing, the circle dot changes
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shape and changes form.
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It's amazing saying I could ever recognize and unless I was completely hallucinating.
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It took on a very interesting character.
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I could loosely describe it as it assumed the shape of a drilling bit in the oil industry.
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It's opened up as like a four pointed star, but the shapes of these mirror surfaces
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Appeared to match the actual internal shape of the glass dome itself.
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In other words, we had an inversion of what was already established as a field of reflective
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And as it opened, it then began to spin in a classic way that any motor spins up when
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It got spinning really fast really quickly.
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So, all I could see was from what was a gray dot to an array of reflective diamond-like
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shapes to a sudden spinning motion.
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And at this point, it began to lift itself upward.
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So, for this, I calculated that this point was somehow going to affect its brightness
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because it was going to then reflect the light source which was technically above all
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this from a new angle.
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Well, that's exactly what happened.
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It got very bright, very quickly.
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Now, in addition to observing the white character of the light, I was able to see what appeared
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to be a ring of blue flame around the top edge of all of that.
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So, now the circular form, which is like a stick with an array of mirrors on me, if it
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is again like a mirror ball, is shooting its way upwards into the blue circle of flame.
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When it hits the blue circle of flame, the lamp becomes so bright no one could look at
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You know, 100-to-1 brightness ratio, so we were a second earlier.
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And most people, of course, would have simply turned their eyes away from and said,
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I can't look at that.
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It's the argument comprehension.
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For me, it wasn't that big a deal.
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I've been in a spin-alive diamond Hollywood and around the stage that I know what it looks
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like to turn on a 10k HM.
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So, I can squint down to a achieve about an F-32 dynamic range and I continue to stare
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at that white dot-best it can.
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And again, it appears to be creating a flood-like, like spotting a field below.
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And I realize that it's a bit better concentrate on anything but the bright light.
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And I went back to study in the triangle corner of the field.
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And they too took on different shapes such as broadening or narrowing the beams.
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And the beams appeared to be operated by almost teenagers because they were just so scattered
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I couldn't understand why the front one was trying to play off at about 8 degrees while the
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back one was going to the opposite direction by 4 degrees and so on.
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You might know since, you know, did it look like a linear scanning procedure?
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I'm talking about your mean of that mankind might use or require.
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Yep, this is definitely, you know, this is totally bizarre.
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Now, just for curiosity's sake too, at this point, when you're seeing this all this
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has, this stuff happening at this point where we're at now, how close was this to your
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Because I know it must have been getting pretty close.
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Now, at first I had rolled down my window to listen to sounds.
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Now, I was going to ask.
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And the key to all this, as this bird is approaching me, it's making a sort of a
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worrying sound that it was full of harmonic overdone.
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So I would first describe it as a sort of simple whistling.
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But in addition, it had a sort of pinging whistling which would have suggested you radio
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frequency high energy, more like we might have associated with a neon lamp if you were
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to put your stephiskop up to the bulb.
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And so that sound did change as the lamp fired off and became quite interesting.
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And rather than have more of a worrying sound, it seemed to have more of a rushing air sucking
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I'm concerned about both sound and lighting and surface texture.
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So I sit up a apartment Jeep which basically I figure either this occur to kind of blast
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me right off the face of the earth or beam me up or something.
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So, you know, he knows I'm here.
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Well, yeah, imagine.
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So I go ahead and park the Jeep thrower and park and, you know, literally almost at the
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point of locking up the transmission doing it.
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I wanted to sit up on the driver's side, went to the door and went out the window and
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get him ahead up above the car so I could watch everything it might possibly do.
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Meanwhile, this chewy helicopter is...
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What are without window?
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Because I figured that must have been close by.
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Here he had parked now at the point when they came to nearly a full halt.
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I would say in air speed terms, you couldn't have said it was more than 20 knots.
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But being such a big thing at 20 knots, it looks like it's a, you know, small boat coming
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Hey, that's going to take something as far as I know anyways and I'm sure everybody else
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It's going to take some power and some speed to keep something like that up.
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And I couldn't imagine anything other than pure magnetism driving it.
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And so the helicopter had essentially was following an odd pursuit, had sort of parked itself,
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but then came slowly inching frag mentally in a sort of sporadic motion up towards us.
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And my biggest fear at this point was that the helicopter was going to fire off an air
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And that was one big flash of light.
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It was good by charm.
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It goes down here, sitting there observing this.
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Maybe it's something that they don't want.
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They're definitely not going to want you to see.
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Well, observing that.
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I mean, gosh, who knows.
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I mean, what look will we have in the air force today?
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I have some 19 year old kid with a joystick.
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He's going to be right.
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And then an alien, you're telling like to make it back to planet next.
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So I mean, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry or whatever, but you can imagine the
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only thing I knew I needed to do is collect the data in my mind and just try to relive
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the moment as best I could in every regard later.
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Well, I guess some science beyond belief.
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Well, well, you know, I'm well, and just for care, I was just like, when you first saw
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those things approaching and whatnot and told it by me, you know, left the area, how long
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did it actually stick around for?
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Well, it felt like an eternity.
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At 20 knots, I'm thinking, you know, I'm looking at about a nine second approach from the point
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when I suddenly came swooping down and then kind of, you know, and after the nine second
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approach, I probably didn't have him over my head for more than, you know, a half of
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a second before this lamp thing started to go.
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And it, and it created it very quickly.
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I'm sorry, after it, right, it wasn't just like one instant solid straight line to
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You know, it created a big flood that narrowed down fairly quickly to a true round spot.
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Like you might put a, on a stage for the, the singer or the lead star.
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And so being in it, I was like a follow spot.
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The next thought was what to hear for and what to try and to look at.
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And then you're going to figure out, you know, why do we build freeways or what he was
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about to observe on the right side of me against the way from all of this.
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And really in the darkness, it's an area called Williams Oil Tank Reserve.
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So you have oil tanks.
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And these are not large, relatively speaking to, you know, you might have an
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a big industrial city.
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I'd say called these about a eight foot around two story, three story, oil tank.
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And there's a collection of maybe four or five of such tanks and a couple of silo like
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things that are for less farm scale.
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And he appears to be scanning and illuminating this oil field yard.
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So I have to say, well, here he is checking out what mankind does to a, you know, the
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Hey, they're curious.
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Hey, if that's what it is, they're curious.
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I'm sure, and if it is them, I'm sure they've been here before and been looking around,
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but who knows what they're up to.
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But you know, when you look, when you can look back at this, you know, seeing the crap,
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seeing this just military helicopter that's doing whatever, observing, following, seeing
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what it's up to, don't know what to do.
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Should we shoot on it or not?
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You know, when I'm trying to get the impression or get your impression or your thoughts, because
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I know you don't maybe know, but your thoughts, you do you feel this is something that they
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were like following something that might have been a test vehicle or they were watching,
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didn't know what to heck to do because this is definitely a mating craft.
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I know you can't answer that, like, for a fact.
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But your impression.
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You're certainly right to ask, and I've given it a couple of years thought, and I would
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say my rational concerns earlier on were suggested I should consider both sides of the
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I have since fully adopted the one final concept that it was spotted as an alien craft.
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They were picked up on radar.
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You're not supposed to be in either the airport or the nearby Jacksonville airbase.
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And I would suggest that the helicopter that took off from Jacksonville airbase to actually
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It not traveled more than 80 to 100 miles in order to pick up its path and follow it to
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The helicopter by no means seemed even vaguely up to the task of tracking.
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Maybe that's why they were observing.
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They might say, I guess, my mind might be out.
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Brian, without missing an equally important detail in this particular portion of your question,
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on the far left again, I'm traveling towards Memphis which has been found around Billy's
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area in that position.
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These things are happening to my left, the north.
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And to my northwest is Jacksonville airbase over the hill and not visible from my position.
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But very quickly in terms of that same time frame, and I would say perhaps you might say
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was no more than two miles outside of the initial target spot where they sort of came to
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this hover position.
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Here comes another helicopter of the most unique quality.
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And it was a troop loading type of helicopter, a very long, very big and unnaturally military
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Were the double rotors?
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With the double rotors correct.
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And with a smaller ray of windows and a sort of humpback.
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I know what you mean.
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And it was primered red or primered orange.
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The conditions of city lighting was reflecting a more or less yellowish orange appearance.
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As if it was an unfinished, unpainted emergency, chosen craft.
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Or less like something that even you would think was dedicated to become a Coast Guard vehicle
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and really, it wasn't a normal USAS.
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I do an instant meeting.
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So here comes the second pursuit helicopter as a sort of backup, I suppose.
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What could I think of that other than maybe they thought they might be troops to pick up
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No, but hey, I mean, I mean, this is the way we can theorize all we want, but it's a
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You know, you just got to kind of reach here.
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That's about what we have to do and most of the stuff.
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Anyways, do some region.
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Well, let's assume just to, again, to kind of ponder the theory about that question.
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That they're gathering information for them.
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This oil tank array is one of several types of things they want to, to curious about.
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They want to photograph, send them back to home-based study.
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Well, as soon as he'd done a quick and simple and very clean sweep across the oil tank,
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the oil field, it begins to head towards downtown Little Rock.
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Now, those not a mile and a half away is the river itself and beyond the river I know from
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personal experience, you can fit at the edge of the river and look up those planes when
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they normally land on the runway at a regular airport.
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So there's not one person in the control tower over there in the cross the river that's
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I'm thinking, well, the thousands of people are going to see it flying the Little Rock.
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Of course, if they're out on Christmas night chances are they've had some shenanigans.
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They're not going to be totally aware of what's the video of this guy.
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But some people are going to see this.
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They know you bet, yeah.
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And they're going to report it and they'll go into our eye-catching call.
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And I started realizing nobody's going to tell me anything at the airport.
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Well, here you know, for curiosity, things too.
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If this thing's just going to fly over towns that are getting close to it, I mean, there's
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going to be people driving all over the highways or cyclists, whatever there is.
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And then not only that, if you've got two, and even if this thing's silent, let's put
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it this way at this point, you know, at this point, it's a silent.
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People are going to be some people going to spot it.
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You're going to miss these sweeping lights and less.
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They ended up turning off.
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But you can hand up here in these helicopters.
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That would most likely still be following it.
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Now, but now we got the other helicopters, the bigger orange one that's on my left here,
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is actually in a better pole position to be the lead to chase vehicle.
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The one that's more or less to my front left is just sort of parked, aiming as rocket
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It just like, ready goes.
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So the two helicopters then change pole positions, enabling a very general sweep towards
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And let's just carry it on out, beyond my visibility.
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Now, Brian, I got to tell you the wildest thing is the whole vision that happens.
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And it's very hard to put this on the inner paper.
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And it's almost, that's only scary part of what I visualized.
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So it was approaching.
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I was looking at something that was basically glossy black on a field of muted golden
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So, I think that the lightness of 61% humidity, Arkansas, sky, and again, city lighting
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enough to give you a good, hazy edge to anything out there, black or not.
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And what I saw on the top edge of this vehicle was the most unthinkably uninteresting portion
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of it, all things considered for me.
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And that is that it looked like it was hand welded.
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I've got this giant thing bigger than it's been e-bowling I've ever seen.
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I wouldn't say it's, you know, 10 city blocks or anything absurd.
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But in relative scale, you could have easily put three bowings tied together with rubber
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bands and come up with a form about that size.
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So, you know, really rough numbers, 38400 feet down each of the three prevention.
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So, on the top of this thing, it does appear airplane-like.
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It has a single monobody kind of formed tail wing structure.
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And it has a cockpit like a protrusion that's just points up from the center.
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It's not round like a bowing.
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It's more or less shaped like a snake's head.
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And at the top of this array are two ultra thick looking glass panels that have the appearance
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No, these are not designed by a man.
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Oh, that's a good one.
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This is the triangulation and the particular black shadow I was able to see reflecting on
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the glass from whatever star light in city light was out there.
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And it's indicated bankers glass like thicknesses, three thick glass, inset by a full, say,
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eight inches like it was an old Dodge pickup, you know, windscreen protector.
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And I thought, well, that's not very aerodynamic.
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And along the top edge, it looked as if a couple of rednecks had been on here beaten on
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it with a flesh hammer kind of had to form it back in the form.
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Yes, well almost just like a rod that not biological, just with a brush properly and
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that's you can use it mainly in graphics.
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Does that never appear in one color?
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It must be in the head.
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looking at it nose on see and that's what I'm saying what I mean it looks like
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two guys would be in their flying you got your pilot got you got this cab
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like section that looks about the shape of a you know
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massie Ferguson tractor and kind of funny odd kind of squareish and round
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this at the same time with these crew 1960s-ish style
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so it's in these odd snake like small glass windows maybe the heads of these
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animals might be you know five inches around or something right and then this
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rickular sort of edge defect that's much cleaner on the my left inside then on
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my right hand side she has a looking at it though it had been smashed a little bit
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on the right yes and and then it had been progressively welded it's
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performed back in suitable shape for flying well I'll be now that's
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measurement and it's I hardly I'm not showing you this because who else has seen
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this craft that big that close to make that observation right right right
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again not what I wanted to see there no I would I would definitely well I don't
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know what I would be doing that I've seen a few things but they've been a
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nothing nothing of anything in close to that's just some lights and they're
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doing some strange things and they're all over the mountains and popping all
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was doing all kinds of weird stuff yeah I was inside my home when I was watching
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I felt pretty safe and there was a good distance away from my own already
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Davis so if I had something like this in front of me I'd be told what I'd
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be doing I don't know I'd probably either I'd be so curious but I really
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wouldn't want to be that close either well I mean I've kind of wanted to be in
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the helicopter with the boys following it so I could kind of get their
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feelings you know but you got a good feeling alright good smell for some
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somebody but that's that's all the
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disarmament and the distinct and did you agree that I already had any light around
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it like create its own light if any sort like around the crown besides besides
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like the center the center ball that center light and then of course you had
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the three nights on either either point of the triangle that's that's a great
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question no the surface quality was really very similar to a slightly
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model rubber plastic like almost glass like yeah surface but it was when I
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asked myself what color was it I said it's definitely true black I mean it's
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yeah you know got you a darker black ink is we make yeah and on
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upon reflection it reflected a watery like appearance now I wouldn't say that
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it was was a moving water like appearance so much as it was simply a light and
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gentle even rippling surface got you okay what we might do to a metal and
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color the hammered the surface right yeah yeah what you mean yeah and with
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that in mind the the color that it would reflect was not the consistently pure
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black rather here we are we're in yellow city like lighting again I'm seeing
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some golden tone reflects instead you're very predictable yes but I'm seeing
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some transparency to this thing and I won't say that I could make out a
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definitive rip pattern through the right glass right I could tell that it was
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you know wireframe then nothing no distinct visibility through it of any kind
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the brightness of the lamp in the middle and the fact that it was reflecting in
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and around a you know such a bright array of mirrors it shine a lot of light at
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the ground and created the reflection that I was seeing most of got you hard
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that oil tanker that was white painted with the blue stripes right right
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well you know got you and I went back there and it took some black and white
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pictures to kind of stick again to reckon with the scale of things right I've
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never really got the pictures blown up or started to work with them to sort of
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redraw the craft in the scene yeah but I certainly intended to do that just to
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really reckon with the height it was at the size the scale of the length
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against the freeway itself which was one comparison I had available got you are
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the length of the yard full of the oil tankers again I say a city block
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but I don't find that by saying it north south New York city block got you
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so we would say again 400 feet at 500 900 feet in the air the round dog in the
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center I would qualify it right at about 20 feet circle and then I got to see
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before it got bright what really appeared to be a trim ring around the hole
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and the light was coming out of okay yeah and in observing that trim ring was
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quite exciting to see that it looked just literally metal for metal mill as if
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they really didn't want it to look like a ring but they did it another way to
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sand the devil yeah got what you mean no no that's we've done the whole thing's
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weird here you know okay so this thing here now as you're watching the scene you
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know moving off right yeah now did it pretty much stay same altitude as it as
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you lost sight of it or did it rise up and head off or or just making a move
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off and in some different direction or you know it's the thing stated exactly the
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same altitude okay from the point it where it got near the freeway
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mm-hmm sure I got a little dog he doesn't always like to go into a room okay so yeah
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he stayed right at about the same altitude now the wing did sort of tip from
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side to side right didn't have a you know perfectly smooth banged motion as
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if whoever was in it even cared right about their relatives got you
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wiggling left to right no one seemed to be performing and as it headed towards
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little rock I could only imagine it would have had to have right risen a little
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in altitude just to avoid the freeway right and bring things of that nature it
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was about to come across right in all probability she's right on up into the
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sky before ever really approaching she's a larger we have three or four
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skyscrapers downtown maybe right exactly so we're building you know that's right
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so we're looking at the further going something's gonna have to clear that if
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you're gonna run right into it yeah that's that's absolutely incredible now
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when it's out this closest point I started back in a little bit but at its
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closest point when you're sitting here watching this thing I'll take place did
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you ever feel anything from this could you I mean your body sense anything
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other than the other than the controller rush a blood probably grown to your brain
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was excitement you know did you have anything like that any kind of sensations
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at all that you felt came from the object itself no but again it's clearly a
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rush of fear and relief at the same for in the same breath yeah right
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I thought we'd be in yep and at this point this house I've lived all over the
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country and driven around the west a hundred times looking for photos in places
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like Phoenix and Tucson you know wonderful destination kind of spots always
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thinking about UFOs and hoping to see one right and I if the only reason I would
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report on one is that it actually did happen right because I during all
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these years I can't say I really really wanted to see one but I thought if
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everybody else gets to see where they're like it I like it I mean there got to be a lot of them out there
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so I think I think even the real skeptic okay you know they they may talk
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about a bunch of below here nonsense I think even there they probably look at
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this guy once a while just wish I believe it when I see it so that's
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social conditioning there but that's right when when you're really confronted with one
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it's armed slink and all I could do is say to myself man this is kind of mean a
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world of new technology for the entire development of my civilization I'm
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the least important element in this little game going on right is that I can
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appreciate what I've seen and some really I can convey that into a working
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mechanical model bingo we we have a success for mankind you know so yep I know what you mean yeah
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this is it's really a fascinating I mean you're graphical I should ask you to
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would you mind me posting this graphic ears not a bit I'll send you some more
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probably got some more sketching work if you go tomorrow I'll hold off and
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posting it and I'll hold off and I'll put it all together so you know when you
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have time you know when you got some time that would be wonderful because every
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nice to put out you know nice presentation together on this because it is it's
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a it's an amazing excellent just a nice on dropping a graphic I wish I could do
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as well and I can't but so you did a wonderful job on this well thank you I've
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laid it up I can certainly do better work with ten and ink than I can on a
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computer but that sort of a delay or in process of Photoshop right well hey you do
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him better me because I can't do either
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I could have probably oh I can't terrible a second career here really I really
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appreciate getting to visit with you the season oh I really appreciate no I do
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and and we'll keep in touch because I really you know there's some other things
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I wouldn't mind just going over to and I'll be right into it and yeah let's
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keep in touch because I really do you know want to know what other things might
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have been take place with this and if there's other things you might have to
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say hey you know you don't have to talk about a record eating it I just you know
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between us whatever it sound like there's a lot of fascinating things been going on
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well it's your half yeah so well thank you so much I really really appreciate you
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taking your evening from your computer
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friend you only got you only got a lot of what it's midnight now just about
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isn't it let's see all 11 when that dog starts barking he's on a tirade no well
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there you go you're you're just won't set for pumpkin time that okay my friend
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