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Michael Schellenberger joins us now.
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Great to have you back.
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So let's start with Imcon, as it's called, I guess, for short.
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Matthew Brown made a compelling case
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that the government's been collecting these videos
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and photos of UFOs for a long time.
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But we've seen those videos and photos too.
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What's the difference between what Imcon is doing
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and what we're all watching?
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Yeah, well, hey, it's great to be with you.
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I think it's exciting because you now have whistleblowers
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come forward about this program.
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I had reported on it before and had multiple sources
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confirm the existence of this program.
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I think what's so important to know is that what they're saying
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is that the Pentagon, it's not just a few of these little videos
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coming out in dribs and drabs, but they are
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sitting on a significant body of photographic and video
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evidence that I also, some people that were not,
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that did not know about the Imcon program,
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told me of other videos that they had seen of,
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orbs coming out of the ocean near Kuwait, for example,
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which I testified on as well.
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There is, I think everybody agrees
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there's a huge amount of information that the Pentagon
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is sitting on the intelligence community
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as well as sitting on head that hasn't been released.
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And so it's not even the case that this shouldn't be
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I mean, this is what these documents look like.
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The redactions are outrageous.
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I mean, you see, it says, what are the possible explanations?
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This is, by the way, the UAP task force.
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What are the explanations?
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And it blacks out two potential explanations.
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I mean, isn't it all blacked out?
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I mean, it looks like just the e- the very top,
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like email from is the only thing you can read.
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Yeah, it sort of says, I mean, they blacked it.
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It says the UAP task force has collected
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redacted number of reports from this many,
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the number of years has redacted.
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And then potential explanations, you know,
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they say it could be weather, but then there's
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two other potential explanations.
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This is information that we, the taxpayers, have paid for
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and that the Constitution requires that Congress
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be able to see, the Pentagon is now letting
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Congress see it in violation of the Constitution.
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So it's time to get some disclosure going.
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It's, we're way past time for it.
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What percentage, if you had to hazard a guess
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of what the Pentagon has managed to accumulate,
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what percentage has become public?
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Are we talking 2%, 10%, 20%,
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I don't, I, I, I've asked that question as well
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I've been told under 1%, so I mean,
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just a tiny fraction.
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I mean, look at these, we're getting these tiny clips.
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We know that the Pentagon, the various military activities
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are filming and capturing and not just with photographic
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or video, but also other sensor data infrared,
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all, you know, radar, all sorts of data
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has been coming in over decades.
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If we're being honest, this goes all the way back
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So we have, we're just being treated like children.
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It's time for the Trump administration
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to really take disclosure seriously.
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I think that the people have spoken,
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we want this information.
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You know, for the longest time, this was, you know,
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people who believed in this kind of thing
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or talked about this kind of thing were dismissed as kukus.
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But we now have sitting members of Congress holding
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briefings like the one today holding hearings
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like the one where you testified.
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Congressman, many of them from President Trump's own party
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are demanding answers and more transparency
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about what on earth is going on.
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Yeah, I mean, Elizabeth, one of the great,
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I testified a fair amount now to Congress
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The great pleasure of testifying on UAP disclosure
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is how bipartisan it is.
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The members of the committee, Republicans, Democrats,
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who normally are at each other's throats
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on every other thing that we testify on,
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in great agreement that they want transparency.
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I mean, you look to the hearing that you just showed
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that video, the room is full of people.
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When you testify on this, the people are turned away.
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There's so many people that want to get into the hearing room.
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That's not how it usually is on 95% of the other issues
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that Congress hears about.
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I think the people have spoken, we've got some pretty high expectations.
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We haven't seen the Trump administration
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deliver on those expectations yet.
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They really need to do so.
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It's, we've been 100 days in office,
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we need some UAP disclosure.
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Michael Schellenberger, great to have you on again.
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Thank you for watching.
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