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I just got back from Peru where I saw one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.
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What am I referring to? I just might have seen a dead alien. Or an alien-human hybrid. Or an
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entirely new branch of hominid. Or an ancient human mutilated in a bizarre way to imitate
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what looks like a gray alien. I'm of course talking about these ancient Peruvian tridactyl
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three-fingered and three-toed mummies. Alien mummies. Alien corpses. Mummified alien bodies.
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Is this real? Mummified aliens of Nazca, Peru. Oh, the f*** is that. Oh my god. I can't wait for you to
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see these things because they're absolutely insane. And the facts around them and the region they were
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found in are just as trippy. But you're probably already thinking, Jesse, these were already proven
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to be a complete hoax. Why are you platforming this ridiculous topic? To you, I urge you to
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earnestly contend with these mind-bending facts. Top forensic experts in Peru, Mexico, and the United
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States have all investigated these bodies. After thorough investigation, they all think that these
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beings were probably once alive. They even looked for deliberate mutilation of the fingers and toes,
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which they found no evidence of. There's data to show that some of these bodies can be interpreted
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to be perhaps living organisms. It's not that they cut off one finger or the other finger. The bodies are
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real. You don't think they were constructed at all? No, it would be very difficult. You need to be the best
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surgeon in the world to do that in Replicate. Catastrophic disclosure is happening in Latin America.
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Thanks to our amazing friend, Michael Mazzola, who's coming out with an epic documentary on the
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mummies later this summer. That documentary is going to be called This Is Not A Hoax.
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And please pre-order his book, Catastrophic Disclosure, which I am linking in the description.
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We got a front row seat to this entire thing. We were able to go to Peru and see three of the most
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interesting tridactyl beings, Montserrat, Sebastian, and Santiago. One of my best friends and fellow UFO
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freak, Amar Kandil from the massive and very inspirational YouTube channel Yes Theory,
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decided to join me on this trip. There's a mutation in one of those genes that could cause
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changes in digit development. It has a fetus inside the body. Oh my god. And the hand and the
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feats of these pictures are also tridactyl. Never in the eight years I've been researching
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have I mentioned or said the word extraterrestrial. Never. We are talking about humanoid species.
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Just from an anthropology perspective, that should be the most fascinating thing.
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Graphic evidence of tridactyly exists all over planet Earth.
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Everything came from a single place.
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This name comes from the word in the Nazca language. Laboratory where cloning and hybridization
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were done. These bodies connect. They connect with technology. But if I want to use the technology for
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reverse engineering, then I prefer to hide the bodies and use it for war, right?
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We have caught the Peruvian government and Ministry of Culture in multiple instances of bad faith
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acting around this case. For some reason, they don't want this case to see the light of day.
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I put a lawsuit against them for $300 million. I repeat, that one is fake. I'm doing something
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real and important and I'm not a liar.
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I'm doing something real and I'm doing something real.
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And if you watch this entire episode and wait until the end, you'll see how we're using state
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of the art ancient DNA analysis techniques to definitively tell you the beings that we're
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looking at. Maybe we can solve this mystery once and for all.
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Before the Incans, ancient Peru was home to other more mysterious cultures.
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The Piracas until 100 BC and the Nazca people from 100 to 800 CE.
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The Nazca region in southern Peru is named after these Nazca people because it's where they
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primarily lived. It's currently over a thousand square miles and contains only around 80,000 people.
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Nazca culture historically has been known for a few different things.
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Unique religious practices often involving ritual offerings, trophy heads, and shamanic rites.
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Polychrome pottery with highly stylized mythological motifs. And of course, mythological cave art.
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One of the most prominent archaeological sites is a petroglyph of what can be interpreted as a tridactyl.
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Three-fingered and towed beings are everywhere. Just look at this Nazca cave art and these woven fabrics.
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The Nazca lines are everywhere.
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Then of course, you have these massive geoglyphs known as the Nazca lines.
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Large scale drawings spanning up to 30 miles long, etched directly into the desert floor.
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When you go to Nazca, when you see these drawings from the ground, they are not so hard to be made.
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The only thing that will be controversial is for whom they made these drawings.
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Because the only thing for sure is that these drawings were made to be seen from the sky.
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They only make sense 150 to 500 meters in the air, which is far higher than any of the closest vantage
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points on the ground. So unless you have some aerial flying object, the line configurations and the
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figures they depict are literally incomprehensible to you.
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Anybody who says that this can be appreciated in its full form, the way we're standing right now,
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they're out to lunch. To see the finished product is only from up there.
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Erik von Daniken, author of Chariots of the Gods, thought that they were tributes to ancient alien
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astronauts, an extraterrestrial group that seeded human civilization.
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I have no idea if Daniken is right, and I don't really have any hard evidence to believe he is.
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But you have to admit, one of these Nazca lines looks kind of like an astronaut.
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And another in Chile depicts a being with three fingers.
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Nonetheless, the question remains, why would humans build megalithic structures up to 30 miles long
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that only make sense a few hundred meters in the air, higher than the highest local peak?
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Why are there no excavation roads leading up to the main carvings, which presumably would have
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been necessary given all of the displaced earth, even if they were using modern civil engineering
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techniques? And then finally, why are there frequent UFO sightings in this area?
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Our normal ships walk, but they come and break in another angle. That's not what we know of in a ship.
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We know of that. We can climb, down, or move in another direction. Our ships do not that.
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The final thing that the Nazca and Paracas people practiced were cranial deformation, or skull
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elongation rituals. Cranial deformation is a deliberate reshaping of the skull using wooden
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boards, cloth bindings, or head frames, often done to infants, resulting in permanently elongated,
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conical, or flattened skulls. These rituals conferred status onto the recipients of the elongation.
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It often represented an initiation into a priestly class. It denoted nobility. And in many cases,
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it also seemed to be an attempt to imitate the gods. Well, and also across cultures, how they have
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cranial deformation techniques to mimic the quote-unquote gods that are present. I mean,
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Eknaton, who was the first, like, king to call for monotheism in Egypt, he had, he had a weird...
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The sun go up. Yeah, yeah. And where does the skull elongation come from? We don't really know. We don't
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know why it arrived right then. So it's like this little period of time where the skull elongation
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shows up. Why does it show up?
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Okay, so that's the backdrop in which in 2015, a grave digger named Leandro happened upon a cave
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with these tridactyl, three-fingered, three-toed, very gray alien-looking mummies.
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I was walking along the edge and dripped on the wall. And then it fell apart and I could see this cave full of diatoms.
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I started to dig, to dig and dig, and big clumps began to emerge that when they melted, revealed that
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they were heads and parts of the bodies. The cave contained over 200 body parts, isolated heads,
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limbs, and appendages, and in many cases, entire intact bodies. All of the bodies and parts were
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covered in diatomaceous earth, a desiccant that dried them out and preserved them. And technically,
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they aren't actually mummies. Many of them still have their organs fully intact inside the bodies.
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The bodies have a range of carbon dating from 700 years ago to 1800 years ago, mostly overlapping with
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the Nazca period. There are three different dominant body types in the pile of 200 bodies and parts.
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Number one, the S-types, these small winged creatures that we're not going to focus too much on in this
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episode. Number two, the J-types, or as they're sometimes called, reptilians. These are skinny,
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two to three feet tall, oddly geometric or boxy bodies. And their faces look like the aliens in
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close encounters of the third kind. Some even have eggs inside their bellies. We have 25 to 30 of these.
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The mummies I personally think are most interesting are called the M-types, or hominids. These look like
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hominid four to five foot beings. Their organs, tendons, cartilage, and bones fully intact.
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How many, how many bodies? Oh my god.
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A brief walkthrough, my husband brunch comes in a car detail and you will want to
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do that now. This new Vancouverland is a very darn good thing.
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I close this one for my job full of days when I'm a soldier of the allergy.
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I close it to the посмотрим into a carnalruptcy there.
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You'll find I close it to the poipleman.
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It's not that the code of one finger or the other finger.
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No, there are three.
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Yeah, there's no way.
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You can't fake that.
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I mean, I don't need to be a forensics expert to say that if that's a real image, there's
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no way that that's fake.
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Dude, look at the fingers.
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Look at the fingers here.
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That's like the realest.
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At this point, you are probably convinced that these aren't art pieces glued together,
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like Flavio Estrada and the Peruvian Ministry of Culture claim.
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They seem a whole lot like organisms that are anatomically self-consistent.
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Let's look at the image reconstructions from the CAT scans.
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You have great independent researchers like Gonzalo Chavez, who helped set up Tridactyls.org,
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but it's finding out that the DICOM files made public.
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If you look at these CAT scans around even the J-types, the reptilians, you can see capillaries
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nourishing the eggs inside one of their bodies.
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I don't even know if the most advanced synthetic biology going on in the United States can fake
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some of this stuff, let alone a huacero named Leandro who lives behind a chicken coop in Peru.
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We will link all of the medical imaging done on all of these beings on Tridactyls.org,
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which contains all of the DICOM files with CAT scans and other data, so you can look
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at all of this stuff yourself.
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We feel that some of the entities are worthy of further investigation.
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John McDowell, who is president of the American Forensics Association for a year and just
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won the highest award in the country for forensics, the Grandwall Award, says this.
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There is evidence, there is data to show that some of these bodies, these entities, can be
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interpreted to be perhaps living organisms.
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McDowell saw the bodies in person.
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He was joined by Jim Caruso, the chief medical examiner for Denver and a forensic pathologist.
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A former medical officer in the Navy for decades, Caruso has dozens of peer-reviewed scientific
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papers and has personally performed over 300 autopsies.
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Another person who isn't a stranger to autopsies is Dr. David Ruiz.
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He's the president of the Peruvian Society of Legal Medicine.
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So he's kind of the equivalent of McDowell in Peru.
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I have been president of the Peruvian Society of Legal Medicine, right?
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It's equivalent to McDowell.
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As a doctor, as you call it, a conventional doctor, we see scans and MRIs and images all
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I mean, we realize when there is something, something real or something, something unreal.
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He takes things even farther than McDowell, confidently claiming that these are non-human, but very
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And that the tridactyls have been visiting us for thousands of years.
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We invite the scientists of the world, the professors, the professionals from different universities
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to be a little more interested in knowing this.
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Never in the eight years I've been researching have I mentioned or said the word extraterrestrial.
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We are talking about humanoid species.
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We are talking about perhaps a hominid like us, a three-fingered hominid.
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The word extraterrestrials has been used by the scientists who do not want to investigate.
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The archaeologists who resist accepting this and try to discredit it.
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They call them fake extraterrestrial mommies.
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And then you have chief of the medical division for the Mexican Navy, Jose Zalce.
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He joins Ruiz, but he goes even farther than him, saying not only are the bodies definitely
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real organisms, he speculates that the beings are so genetically dissimilar to humans that
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they might be extraterrestrial.
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In the big bodies like Maria, the DNA show us that there were around 70% known DNA.
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But there were 30, 30% completely different.
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You're probably already thinking, Jesse, these were already proven to be a complete hoax.
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Why are you platforming this ridiculous topic?
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Well, the only reason you think that these are a hoax is because a journalist.
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Remember the guy who was talking about UFO sightings around the Nazca lines?
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A guy named Manuel Caceres made wooden figurines that he glued together, dedicated to the Nazca
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mummies, to sell to tourists.
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These little trinkets, pieces of touristic art, meant to resemble the real mummies.
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These were confiscated at the Lima airport in 2023.
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I repeat, that one is fake.
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In early 2024, Reuters published this about the Nazca mummies.
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They're not extraterrestrials.
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They're dolls made from animal bones from this planet, joined together with modern synthetic
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glue, said Flavio Estrada.
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But that ridiculous conflation between these wooden figurines and these real anatomically
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consistent whole bodies was reported on by Reuters and other esteemed legacy publications.
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And it's the sole reason so many people in the Western world are so sure this story is
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It's at that point that the story became a laughing stock.
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Shit's getting real, bro.
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The real story is that this grave digger, Leandro, found the bodies in 2015.
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So this must have been completely full of bodies.
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Leandro does shamanic tours in the local region.
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He lives behind a chicken coop and is linked with some interesting local organizations.
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In 2016, he met a French explorer of ancient Incan lost cities named Thierry Yamin.
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Yamin is an explorer from another era, a real-life Indiana Jones, in this case trying to find
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Yamin and his Incaria Institute have been spearheading a lot of research around these
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three-fingered beings, or as they're known, Tridactyls, since that time.
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A fragment of the hueso?
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Yes, that's what you have to see as a small fragment.
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Yes, a fragment of the hueso?
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Yes, a fragment of the hueso?
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They're showing us the moment, the exact moment they discovered that she was pregnant
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when they were doing the scans, because it happens live.
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So that's what they're showing us right now.
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Perhaps one of the wildest revelations, Montserrat, one of these Tridactyl M-type hominid-like
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beings, might also have a fetus inside of it that is a three-fingered Tridactyl being.
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This would imply a genetic match and phenotypic inheritance between a baby and a mother.
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This is the fragment.
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So if you had the tomography, the x-rays, the 3D reconstruction, you had all of that,
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say take out the 3D reconstructions, you just had the raw measurement data that you got.
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If you sent that to a normal doctor, you know, who is used to evaluating the health
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of a fetus in a womb of any mother, would they say, oh, that baby only has three fingers?
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They would be able to spot it, a conventional doctor.
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He has the curiosity to be very careful.
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He would say, this baby has three fingers in the hands and in their feet.
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So it would be easy for a conventional doctor to spot.
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She, when she passed away, was pregnant.
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She had an eye of a prominent belly.
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And of course, the amniotic fluid is water.
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And that is lost more.
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That's why it looks like her hands are in the air, but she was holding her belly.
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Oh, it was like, that's what I was looking at.
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And then it just like...
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Now, another simple explanation would be that these beings went through typical ancient skull
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elongation rituals, along with maybe some more unique hand and feet mutilation procedures.
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But the CAT scans don't really look like the hands were mutilated.
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And the skulls don't seem to have the stress fractures typical of head binding rituals.
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If you had a closer look, you can see in the skull the line who makes the pressure to deforming
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You can see it in the skull.
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You can see where the humans put something to deform the skull.
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In the skull of Maria, if you saw the tomographies, you can't see any line of artificial deformation.
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And are we noticing that the skull is also big?
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Okay, so they are born big then.
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It's not like a manipulation over the skull.
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Now, if that's not weird enough, there's a genetic mutation that dictates digit differences,
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anomalous numbers of fingers and toes.
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This genetic mutation does that in humans.
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This mutation was apparently found in the NCBI database holding the genetic data on these
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Peruvian Nazca mummies.
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Just listen to bioinformatics expert Elena Hardy on what she found.
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One of the things I did find, and I kind of stumbled across, was I actually went to falsify the
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hypothesis that there was a genetic mutation that could cause changes in digit development, right?
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So I went into the literature.
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I found a list of like 50 genes involved in the pathway.
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Sonic hedgehog is the one that everybody has heard of, right?
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This is one of the sonic hedgehog pathways.
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There's a mutation in one of those genes called GLI3, where a similar kind of mutation is associated in
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the literature with polysyndactyly. So like the fusion of fingers or extra digits.
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And so that's really interesting. It doesn't have anything to do with
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tridactyly, but it's like not a super common mutation. You know, it's like you wouldn't,
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it was enough to make me go, huh?
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And wasn't there a study of like a Chinese family that has this group as well?
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Yeah. Some of the members of that family who have that mutation have everything from like
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developmental disabilities to these digits, like disorders of digit development. And this was
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like a mutation that comes from like one side, like either the mother or the father.
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And so you can have this effect with just one side of the family passing on this gene. You don't need
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two copies of it, right? There are other like mutations, right? Isn't there like, there's some
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tribe in Africa with like ostrich feet. There are these mutations that are maybe even rendered adaptive
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in certain environments and they sort of persist over time. And so it could just be that, which
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would be remarkable unto itself. I don't think this obscure genetic mutation is even widely known
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in the genetics community. And it's definitely not known by the Waukero grave diggers who dug up the
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bodies in the first place. So if you could replicate the finding of that mutation, that would be a big
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deal. At this point, I don't think the question is, are these beings real or fake? They are clearly real beings.
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Seeing the mummies in person was wild, but I had been hearing so much about this guy behind the story.
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Jaime Masson, the supposed charlatan, hoaxer. Jesse, don't go to Peru. You're going to ruin your brand.
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Jaime is a known hoaxer. I can't tell you how many texts I've gotten like that. I needed to meet the
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man myself and see what he was all about. I honestly loved Jaime. Jaime is independently very wealthy.
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He lives in one of the most beautiful houses on the border of a national park right outside Mexico City,
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and is on a quest to prove that extraterrestrial life is real.
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Jaime Masson, the subject of the world, when we finish, I'll show you the sphere.
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Jaime Masson, the subject of the world. I can't wait. So excited. My friend, you feel it.
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Jaime Masson, the subject of the world. You feel it?
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Jaime Masson, the subject of the world. This is not fucking real. This is something else.
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A few days before visiting Jaime, he happened to have recovered an aluminum object,
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of which he had over four minutes of video flying around Bugo, Colombia. The object appears to drop
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below the trees and get retrieved on the forest floor.
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And he said it weighs two kilos, four pounds. And then now it weighs ten kilos.
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Jaime is a bit more sure of this Buga sphere than I am. The sphere is fascinating. It seems to be made
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of an aluminum alloy, three times the hardness of aerospace-grade aluminum. They claim it exhibits
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electromagnetic anomalies. I think there are some decent debunks here, and my brain was already fully
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broken by the mummies. So write a comment if you have any hot takes on the Buga sphere, and we'll do a
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follow-up episode on it. But the point is, while I don't agree with Jaime on everything,
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I love his energy, and I think he is actually inviting real scientific scrutiny on these things.
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He can speak in absolutes, and isn't always nuanced as I might shake out on certain UFO cases.
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The bodies are real. The bodies are real. The bodies are real.
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Uh, the bodies are real. Yeah.
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He doesn't like to engage in lofty theoretical conversations about this stuff. I'm more interested in weird science and abstract theory.
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But I didn't sense any cynicism or intellectual disingenuousness from him. If anything, I found him to be a boldly stated amateur explorer of a bygone era, just trying to show the public what he's seen.
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He genuinely believes that the Nazca beings are extraterrestrial, and I found him to be extremely generous, not territorial, and very open with all of his findings.
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He took the tomography scans of this ball, and then gave us the password to look at the results the same day.
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So generous of Jaime to just give us the login and password.
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He clearly just wants the truth out. And he doesn't care if it's out on his platform or others.
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I think the time has come to accept that we have been visited for a long, long time.
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Why do people say you're a hoaxer?
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Because I have the balls to present things.
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You know, it's so easy to be in the back and criticize everything.
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If you have the courage to present things, then you are going to risk yourself.
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You are going to expose yourself.
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Anybody credible in the scientific community, would you guys like to invite them to Mexico City?
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I mean, if you want this to be recognized by humanity, anybody should come.
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And I think the best experts are welcome.
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I don't want to welcome anyone who comes here just with the idea to destroy the thing, to construct, to find.
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It doesn't have to tell us what we want to hear.
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They want to find out the truth.
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If they are looking for the truth, you are welcome.
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Now I know what you're thinking.
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Maybe these people just want their 15 seconds of fame.
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But if you really think about these people's credentials, they have more to lose than to gain.
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They're all fairly well off financially.
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And they're very credentialed.
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Jaime is now suing the Peruvian government for $300 million for defamation because of their claim that he's pushing a hoax.
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Jaime is now suing the U.S.
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I'm real happy to remember.
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I put a lawsuit against them for $300 million.
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Have you invested any personal money to keep —
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The Peruvian government was completely against this case, especially up until September 2024,
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when they've started to tacitly endorse research at the University of Ica that might actually indicate that these bodies are real.
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The point is, until then, Ruiz could have faced serious backlash for his involvement with the case.
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Just look at what the Peruvian Ministry of Culture did to Joyce Mantilla during one of the press conferences around the bodies.
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While we were down there, they raided the press conference.
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I don't know if you heard or saw about that, but they brought in federal police, federal prosecutors,
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and the Ministry of Culture actually took over the microphone while he was up on the dais getting ready to speak.
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I asked my buddy Pavel from the great podcast, Tzico Activo, what his take was.
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Pavel, thank you so much for being here.
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You've been covering this for years, well before it's even started to be kind of more destigmatized.
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He's thoroughly documented the Peruvian Ministry of Culture's slow shift on the Nazca Mummy's case,
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the concessions they're now starting to make.
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They seem to be walking back their early hardline denials.
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When Jaime started doing the whole lawsuit stuff, that forced the Peruvian Ministry of Culture
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and the Peruvian government to take this a little more seriously.
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And just listen to what happened to Zalce when he was working for the Mexican Navy,
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when he got involved with the Mummies.
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I spent around five days in jail because they said I was a liar and I was putting in risk
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the honorability of the whole system of the Navy.
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He said to me, please do not continue the investigation of the Mummies.
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And I say I can stop doing that because I believe I'm doing something real and important
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So I have to demonstrate to the world that it was real.
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But what about the cave or tunnel where these bodies were found?
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Michael Mazzola admits that Leandra may have taken him to the wrong location.
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So we found Maria here.
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And there's a different cave.
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You think it was a different cave?
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And there are plenty of financial incentives to keep this cave's location under wraps.
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My theory is he's been showing people this cave to make money.
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He charges about three grand a visit.
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For a tour to go see this cave.
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We did not participate.
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The cave that he's brought people to did not hold these bodies.
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The cave's too small.
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A few different anonymous sources revealed to me that the actual source of these bodies
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is a large subterranean tunnel system.
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These sources, some of whom don't even know each other,
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didn't want to reveal their identities publicly due to fear of retribution from the local cartels.
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And to be honest, I found them very believable.
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I also think that made a lot of sense from a self-preservation standpoint.
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So while I don't always love anonymous sources making bold claims,
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I have to respect that.
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There are also a lot of people in and around these tunnel systems that say they see
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and hear weird things at night.
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Strange noises coming out of the tunnels,
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beings that don't seem to walk like humans, and other anomalous observations.
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So we might just have a live situation on our hands.
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And what about so-called Lazarus species?
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Species that the academic consensus thought were extinct and then get rediscovered.
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Some of them are millions of years old.
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One example people speculate about is the Orang Pendek in Indonesia.
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There's a thing called the Orang Pendek.
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Have you ever heard of that?
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They think, I believe it's Indonesia and maybe Vietnam,
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where people talk about these little tiny hairy people that live in the jungle.
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And so these Flores things, there's a few biologists that believe these things are still alive.
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They think even on the island of Flores, they might still be alive.
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And again, the Nazca region is over a thousand square miles and currently contains only 80,000 or so
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people. It's the perfect place for a groundbreaking discovery like this to have occurred.
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This also isn't the only subterranean tunnel system in the world.
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There are subterranean tunnel systems all over the world.
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Some are ancient, like these ones in modern Turkey documented by the great Graham Hancock.
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This is quite a famous phenomenon in Turkey, that there are huge cities.
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They look like ant farms on an enormous scale that are dug out under the earth.
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Hundreds and hundreds of rooms that huge efforts was put into digging deep beneath the earth and
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creating these shelters.
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We have this concept of this coming from another planet, but it might not be from another planet.
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It might be from here, like the underground, those tunnels and caverns in Turkey,
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where they have this immense underground civilization or city rather.
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And it almost felt like maybe they were hiding out from a cataclysm or something.
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Right. And that's what they think it was. Yeah.
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So imagine if there's some break off civilization where they lived, I mean,
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we're talking hundreds of thousands of years ago, but they're different than us.
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And you know, sometimes they come visit.
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But there are weirder ones surrounded by rumors of weird inhabitants or artifacts.
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Take the Teos cave system at the edge of the Ecuadorian Amazon.
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There is a legend attached to these caves, which involves a metal library made of gold.
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It supposedly contains an ancient alien metallic library.
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The existence of this library gained so much traction in elite circles that Neil Armstrong,
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that's right. The Neil Armstrong, who was the first man to walk on the moon,
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was so interested in it that he took a BBC film crew looking for it in 1976.
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Why would Neil Armstrong look for aliens on Earth after going to the moon?
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That's a question for another American Alchemy episode. But it shows at the very least that he
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had confidence that he might find something interesting there. There are also deep underground
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military bases across the United States. And sometimes one's rumored to house other beings
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at S-4 Area 51 or Dolce New Mexico. These represent the more out there myths in ufology from Phil Schneider,
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Bob Lazar and Dan Barish involving an American space program that is co-run with the alien beings
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themselves. We went to another part of the facility, went to another building. In that building we went
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into an elevator. We took an elevator down, which that was the first odd thing is that it felt like
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we went down significantly further than like you would think you would. I mean, it was just awkward.
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It just stood out. But even if you don't believe any of those stories, there's a ton of real
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documentation of deep underground military bases across the United States from hardcore researchers
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like the great Richard Sauter. But listen to what Thierry had to say about the general region that the
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mummies were likely found in. And there is a little book published in 2004 by a local author from Nazca
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that talked about various sites in the Nazca area. And it precisely talks about this area and mentions the
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name of the site where the discovery was made. And it says that this name comes from from
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the word such in the Nazca language and in conclusion, it means laboratory where cloning and hybridization were done.
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Now, how did they appear? There is no precedent. There isn't. There are no three thought hominids.
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There are no two thoughts. However, upon finding that their DNA may have been mixed with genetic technology.
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If you go back 1,800 years, it's crazy. It is likely that a civilization more advanced than ours
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made that genetic mix. And it is likely its creators are probably from elsewhere.
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So were these beings laboratory experiments? Evidence of a hidden hand guiding Darwinian evolution?
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And here's where things get weirder. Many of these M-type or hominid beings contain implants.
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And it's pulling up the neck. It's squeezing. This is the x-ray. This is the neck x-ray. But here is a cervical
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traumatic injury. But the injury has been before they put the... It's not because of the plate.
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So the plate could have been to like repair or correct. These metal implants contain osmium and cadmium,
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which are extremely rare earth metals. Osmium is so rare that it's 1,500 times rarer than gold,
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and 2,500 times rarer than silver. Only about 100 kilograms to 1 ton of osmium is extracted globally
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every year. For reference, 100 kilograms is roughly the weight of a newborn elephant. And a small car like
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a Honda Civic weighs around a ton. It's an extremely rare element. But perhaps the weirdest thing about
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osmium and cadmium is that they were only officially discovered by the Western world in the 19th century.
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But they're being found on implants in bodies that carbon date to over a thousand years ago.
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The rare metal implants have organic tissues fused to them in the bodies,
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indicating that the beings were alive when the implants were placed. This process of organic tissue
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fusing is called osseointegration. I decided to have a little fun and ask ChatGPT how hypothetically
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osmium would be used as medical implants. It did say that osmium, if oxidized, could be toxic. But
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underground, oxygen is much lower. So something like osmium would oxidize way less quickly.
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But then it came up with the idea that osmium would make a great brain-machine interface material.
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I sat down with population geneticist Alan Isararas, who had his own theory about the
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metal implants inside these beings. There's this thing called bioelectricity that can sort of modulate
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where genes get expressed, at which location really precisely. And so maybe like if I'm trying to be
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like really exotic, like maybe these things are modulating some sort of gene expression to make
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the beings into what they are. It's fascinating. Maybe there's a chance that they're like minimally,
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genetically, genetically altered. And the rest of the alteration is at another layer of the phenotype,
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which is, could be this bioelectricity layer. Interestingly, osmium and cadmium have also been
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found on meteorites from space. After we left Mexico City, another hearing took place there. This time,
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with an American congressman present, Representative Eric Burleson from Missouri.
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According to Burleson, UFO whistleblower David Grush told him that the beings in Nazca resembled
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things that Grush had seen in classified settings. Whenever I spoke with David Grush,
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who was the whistleblower from the UA, from the Pentagon that studied this stuff,
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I was actually probably not going to go because I thought that, that there's no way that that's real.
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And he, he recommended that I do because he said that based on the physiology of what he's seen
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in some of these mummies, not all of them, some of them are faked, but some of the mummies that exist in,
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in Peru, that based on the physiology, they are congruent with what he has seen in, in briefings,
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in his former role. And remember the beings in Virginia,
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Brazil, in James Fox's amazing movie, Moment of Contact? They also had three fingers.
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The episode that became known as the Barginia incident.
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There are also very credible American UFO crash retrieval cases that have occurred,
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you guessed it, in Peru. Just look at the insane story of UFO whistleblower Jonathan Weygant,
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documented by my buddy UAP Gerb. Weygant was part of a UFO crash retrieval team in Peru.
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The ship was part of a UFO crash, and the ship was part of a UFO crash.
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Weygant, Allen and Adkins observed a huge ship embedded at a 45 degree angle into the rocky cliff
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face. This is the craft, this is pretty crude two dimensional drawing, but this is jungle here,
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this is the craft and it was embedded in the rock like this. Although no lights were visible from
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behind the hatch, Weygant did observe what appeared to be a four fingered arm hanging
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limply from the open hatch. And listen to what Dr. David Ruiz had to say about these beings,
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our interview taking a hard left turn. One of the governments most interested in hiding things
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is the one that does the most reverse engineering. And those have been all the things that happened
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during the Cold War era. These bodies connect, they connect with technology. If I accept the bodies,
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I will accept the technology. But if I want to use the technology for reverse engineering and have
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supremacy over planet earth, then I prefer to hide the bodies, do hidden reverse engineering,
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use it for war. Right?
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Okay, but before we get too excited, there are some real issues around this case. Number one,
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the provenance. This was found by a grave robber, a waqqero that probably does some other somewhat
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dishonest things for a living. They're likely the result of grave robbers taking these ancestral
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burial, these individuals from their burial sites, and then using them to make and sell these things on the
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open market. See, the tough thing about the involvement of these waqeros and the global
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cartels they're associated with is that their involvement is simple. They want to make money.
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But what their involvement means is not. If the underlying bodies were real or fake,
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they'd want to make knockoffs and maximize profits by selling new bodies to elites all over the world on
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the black market, no matter what. If the bodies were real, they'd sell the bodies and make knockoffs
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resembling the real ones. And if the bodies were fake but looked real, they'd also sell them.
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So I'm sure these black market sales are happening. And that fact alone should give anyone making bold
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claims around this case a healthy dose of humility. But I'm just not sure that fact adds any signal to
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the noise. This crime syndicate involvement is the part of the case I was most afraid of discussing.
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It's awkward and adds a real element of danger for anyone covering it. But at the end of the day,
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if you're a waqero and you're watching this, don't be mad at me. All I'm saying is I'm genuinely not
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sure what's going on. And the price of these things are probably going up as we speak.
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If this is art, if someone made this, I need to buy one. How much do I get one for you?
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I've heard seven figures. Seven figures? I've heard a lot of money.
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Geez Louise. You know, it's a long hike up one of these small mountains into a cave that
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I'm convinced has nothing to do with the location. And so initially he was saying, hey, I found this
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underground citadel, like almost like a temple. And they were in there and they were inside a stone
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sarcophagi. That was the initial story. Then it changed to, no, they were found in this cave.
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Do you trust him? Did you get it good? No, not even a little bit. Not even a little bit.
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He tried to charge me $1,500 just to interview him. So this must have been completely full of bodies.
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He was, all was full. All up to the ceiling. Yeah, all, all was full. So he needed to like,
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carry. And as it's bland, that with the hand, it's very soft. So you can use it.
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He didn't use any tool.
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He didn't use any tool.
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He didn't use any tool.
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A lot of wood, like a rock to rush, to scratch.
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And that was like here, the wind.
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As you can see from the cave itself, it looks like it can barely fit one person inside of it,
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let alone 200 body parts, appendages, heads, and full intact bodies.
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Number two, one of the isolated heads that look exactly like one of the J-type bodies
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seems to have alpaca proteins all over it. A proteomics expert who I interviewed,
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but chose to remain anonymous given the controversies around the case and nascent
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nature of his findings, said this to me.
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There was an early hypothesis that these could be an alpaca brain case. And there was a published
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paper about CT, showing CT scan data, showing these morphological similarities to an alpaca
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brain case. I ran proteomic analysis on these, got back these peptide sequences, which reflect
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the DNA sequences. Then I used a pipeline from a paper published in Nature two or three years ago
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about species identification of ancient bone sample. And I ran these, all of these bone samples
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from the skull through this pipeline and they all came back identified as alpaca bones. Whether the
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attached parts, the main body of the skull, all of it came back as alpaca bones.
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Number three, UFO researcher Steve Mara told me that two different finger bones of one of the M-types,
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Maria, were genetically tested in Sri Lanka. He said that one of the phalange bones came back male,
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the other came back female. If that's true, that obviously throws a wrench in things if you're
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looking for an anatomically consistent singular organism. Ancient DNA is very tricky and they've
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done some DNA work on some of these bodies that come out all over the map. The DNA of Maria,
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we have two options. 70% known, 30% unknown. Okay? From that 70% that we
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we can identify. From that we identify three specific DNA, one from chimpanzee, bonobo, one from another
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type of chimpanzee from Africa, and one type from the South Asian human primates. Interesting. So what's the
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relation between these three different types of DNA in the DNA of Maria in the South America?
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So even in the known DNA, it's a combination that you would never see. It's so exotic.
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Number four, the signal the noise with the genetics. A lot of people are talking about genetics who
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aren't really geneticists. Zalcay, who's a forensics guy, is really basing his understanding of the
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being's genome here off of another guy, Dr. David Ronhell. My hypothesis is that Maria is a hybrid,
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but natural. What are the two species? It's a hybrid of what and what? What are the two species that
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created it originally? There is a great possibility that approximately 2500 years ago, which is the new
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datings of human remains that have been found in Asia, that this early human, still wild, may have
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migrated to Africa and in Africa encountered those organisms. 250,000 years ago, there was still a
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reminiscence of both the origin of panpaniscos and panthroglodytes. Ronhell also says that a parasite
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that is only found in Africa was found in one of these beings, further corroborating his theory.
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And so you think she's a natural hybrid between Asia and African ancestors. What I don't understand is
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how do you get three fingers and three toes and an elongated skull and different eyes and the phenotype
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is so different. Due to the evolutionary history that this organism had in Africa, where what we are
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finding are physiological adaptations for arboreal life. It has three fingers, it has an extra phalanx
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that makes them longer and this allows for better adaptation to grasp tree branches. This is a very
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similar adaptation to what is observed in sloths, which also have three fingers. But here the interesting
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thing is to know how it was transferred to South America. If it was transferred 1700 years ago,
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could there have been a cultural and commercial exchange between Africa and America 1700 years ago?
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That is the question.
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The idea that Asia and not Africa is the cradle of mankind, and that Africa and South America may
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have had contact before the conquistadors in the 15th century. If you add up the chances of all of
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these being true combined, the theory in aggregate does feel a little far-fetched to me. Although I do
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not doubt Ron Hell's integrity for a second. Finally, remember Flavio Estrada, that archaeologist that
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conflated the wooden figurines confiscated at the Lima airport with the mummies in 2023? Well yeah,
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doing that was absolutely ridiculous. But he's gone on to do some more legitimate debunking after that
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attempt. They use cotton in the supposed joints. They apply these fast drying synthetic adhesives,
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the uju. They use cyanocrylates and it gives it quite an interesting hardness, right?
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He now says that the fingers on the M-types were deliberately mutilated and the remaining ones were
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lengthened. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether he's shown his hand as a bad actor with his
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original statements around the glued together wooden figurines. I'd welcome him to come on my show.
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The government of Peru through the Ministry of Culture is committed to confiscating the so-called
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Nazca mommies. Here's why I personally don't trust the Peruvian government and think people like Estrada
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are just bad faith actors. Many of these beings are currently being researched at the University of
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Ica. When the vice president of the university, Martin Alicron, was interviewed, he said that the
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Peruvian government is constantly trying to take the mummies away from the university.
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And they make it seem like I was a grave robber. So stupid.
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He also said that the government has made repeated claims that well-respected scientists like Dr.
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Roger Zuniga, who's studying the bodies at the University of Ica, are themselves grave robbers
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manipulating human remains. A ridiculous claim that implies a clear bad faith motive on the part of
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the Peruvian government. On seven occasions they came with, first with police, with a prosecutor and
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all that. The intention, I don't know why, was to take these bodies. And the university had to fight for
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them to stay. First of all, these beings belong to the people of Peru. This is Peru's cultural heritage.
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And it's a shame that it's being denied up to this point by the Peruvian government, but that's actually changing.
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Another point in the direction that the J-types are fake reconstructions is that morphologically they
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just don't look super adaptive, like they can walk super well or be very agile.
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Some are potentially real, warrant further investigation, and in others, I could take a look at
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them and very quickly tell you that organism, if it is an organism, couldn't walk, couldn't fly, was not mobile.
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There are all these things about this case that I think break your brain because you wish it was cleaner.
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Like I think the very clean thing to say is that the large bodies are clearly real, or they're clearly,
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they're not hoaxes, they're not even artificial fabrications from rituals. They're like,
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you know, organisms, biological organisms that are self-consistent.
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That are pregnant in some cases.
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That are pregnant in some cases.
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At this point in the video, you might be wondering,
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Jesse, how do you personally shake out?
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Well, you have to think probabilistically, so I'd rather just list the facts around the case.
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And I'm just a dude on YouTube with no credentials to make any claims whatsoever.
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But if you really want to know my opinion, gun to my head,
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I'm just going to go out and say, I think the M-types are probably real.
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My guess is the genetics reading Steve Marigott with one female and one male phalange on Maria's body
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was probably due to human contamination. And Flavio Estrada in the Peruvian Ministry of Culture,
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I think they're just bad faith actors. I don't trust them at all. And there are really no other solid
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debunks on this. Very few serious people are looking at this case. And when serious people
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do get involved, they think these beings are real. Of course, on the fake side, these could be ancient
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humans that underwent traditional head binding and had their fingers and toes manipulated. But on that,
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I'll defer to the three different sets of forensic experts all looking for finger and toe manipulation
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and for human head binding. None of them found any evidence for either.
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Then on top of that, we're very close to a couple of very clear smoking guns from proving these are
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real. For example, if you definitively proved that Montserrat's fetus inside of it was also
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tridactyl, at that point you'd be accusing Gravedigger Wakeros of cloning abilities that elite American
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researchers don't even have. Now also at the risk of stirring controversy, I think the J-types are more
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likely to be fake or reconstructions. Maybe homages paid to the real M-types. The llama proteins found
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on the isolated J-type head are very interesting to me and admittedly I just have an instinctive
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allergic reaction to them given how stylized their faces look. But even then you have DICOM files showing
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bones, veins, capillaries, things that are hard to fake. You have eggs inside the bodies of beings like
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Luisa. And here's where things get weird. You have the fact that the J-type beings look a lot like some
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other beings in global UFO and alien cases. Take the Russian snow alien case in 2011. Another case that
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was written off by quote-unquote experts as very fake. You see, back in 2011, Russian National Channel 1
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aired a report about a supposed mass UFO sighting in the Irkutsk Oblast, a region in southeastern Siberia.
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That was February. A month later, in March, a video was posted of this UFO sighting. The closest to the
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strange lights was pensioner Nelly Stepanovna. People are confident that these are the UFOs. The
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lights were hanging right above the top of the trees. Several spheres were breaking apart and then they were
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merging back into one. Local children even managed to film what was happening. These same children were
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the first to talk about the strange smell. There was a little bit of smoke from them and then an
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unpleasant smell like from the exploded little bombs boys liked to blow up. They lined up in the shape of
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a cone and light was reflecting from them. Two women ahead of us shouted, look the UFO. I heard a rumble and
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then I saw a pink light. Everything was lit with pink color. I thought it was an alien.
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Civil aviation specialists and employees of the Search and Rescue Center, the military, the FSB,
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and the main directorate of the internal affairs of the Irkutsk region, the Department of Internal
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Affairs for Transport, all joined the search. Scientists came to the aid of the emergency services. As always,
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they explained everything. All this looks very much like a meteorite fall scenario,
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says Sergei Yasev, director of the Irkutsk State University Astronomical Observatory. But the villagers
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weren't satisfied with that explanation, nor were any Russian UFO researchers. Thanks to Steven Pearson,
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an amazing American Alchemy WAP community member, we know that this region in Siberia is home to a lot of
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Russian nuclear assets. As it so happens, we know that the 29th Guards Missile Division is,
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and long has been, a live nuclear armed mobile ICBM force in Irkutsk. Its nuclear warheads are stored
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locally at Object 644. Not in silos, but in bunkered magazines. As you know on this show, we have documented
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the UFO nuclear relationship ad nauseam. This connection is global and ubiquitous, and it adds to
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my conviction that this 2011 UFO sighting and possible crash was very real. So anyways, here's where things
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connect to this Peruvian case, and where things get weird. Just one month later, in that same region of Siberia,
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two Russian guys come upon an alien body in the woods. What the hell I think? What the hell is lying there?
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I don't know. They filmed the body and uploaded it to YouTube. That video has 12 million views on it.
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The two guys who found this body were taken in by the police, questioned, and apparently confessed to
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hoaxing it with breadcrumbs, plasticine, and chicken skin. Again, we know a similar accusation was made
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about Manuel Cacera's fake creations. So could that too have been a cover story? And it's absurd just how
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much this being looks like the Nazca Peruvian J-types.
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And the beings from Close Encounters of the Third Kind, a movie that Ronald Reagan watched in the
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White House and said there's a lot of truth to.
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And he said, I want to thank you for bringing E.T. to the White House. We really enjoyed your movie.
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And then he looked around the room and he said, and there are a number of people in this room who
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know that everything on that screen is absolutely true. And he said it without smiling. But he said
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that. And everybody laughed, by the way. The whole room laughed because he presented it like a joke,
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but he wasn't smiling as he said it.
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And the chicken skin hoax claim sounds a lot like Manuel Cacera's tourist trinkets.
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I would love to tell you that I can definitively say that a video with 12 million views on it,
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on YouTube, of a possible alien body is definitely fake. I realize it's sort of patently absurd,
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but I just don't know. The debunks on this video are almost as ridiculous as the video itself.
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You would expect to see something, whether it's, you know, alien blood or fluids,
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or even some sort of pus. I don't like it, I'll be honest with you.
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So we're going with Chase on this one. The Russian alien corpse is a hoax.
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Clearly some people can't get enough alien corpse footage, even though it drives the serious UFO
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I don't trust this quote unquote expert analysis at all. It's super weak. Again, I think this video
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should be debunked, but I think it deserves a better debunk. And if you were part of the defense
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establishment, maybe CIA or FSB or elsewhere, how would you soften the blow on disclosure?
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You'd say, oh yeah, that video with 12 million views you've already seen. Oops. Yeah, that was
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actually real. That would cause a lot less panic than some new video of a being that they haven't
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gauged the public's reaction to yet. Gun to my head, I would still say this video is probably fake.
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The students who filmed this video, Timur and Kirill, were 18 and 19 at the time.
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That's obviously a ripe age for pranking the world to get YouTube famous. But given the similarities
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with the Peruvian case and the UFO sighting a month before, if anyone can get in touch with either of
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these guys for me, I would welcome an introduction at jessiemichaelsatproton.me. The point is with the
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Nazca mummies and with this Russian snow alien and any UFO sighting is that the very idea of
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quote unquote disclosure is just an appeal to authority to tell you things that you have the
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ability to evaluate for yourself right now. Disclosure has already occurred for many people
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already. The evidence might simply be hidden in plain sight. The very concept of disclosure is a
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complete misnomer. If we had the ultimate disclosure moment, what would it look like? You saw some gray
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alien wheeled out in front of Fort Detrick. God forbid a tactical nuke gets activated in Ukraine or the
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Middle East, but a UFO shuts down the launch moments before the countdown. Does the world then start to
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believe in alien life all at once? Probably not. You'd have half the world demanding DNA samples of the
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body, material analysis of the craft, a flight demonstration with skeptical academics and aviation
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experts present. But even then, part of society would say that the video recording of this demonstration
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was an AI deep fake, that the genetic data was fabricated. Reality itself would splinter, with some part of
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society believing an intelligent life above humans, and an opposing faction digging their heels in with
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further skepticism around deep state deception.
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It took mainstream archaeology 15 years to accept Göbekli Tepe after Klaus Schmidt started excavating it in 1994.
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And that excavation itself was over 30 years after the site was initially uncovered by the
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universities of Istanbul and Chicago in the 60s. And that's just an anomalously old archaeological site.
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It doesn't wholesale overturn our understanding of the known universe.
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Now we get into the more interesting question that everybody should be asking. If either of these
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beings, the J-types or the M-types, are real, what the are they? This is the stuff that's exciting to
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speculate about. Chilean researcher David Velasco speculates that this could be a global subterranean
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species. For example, the Hopi people, traditionally associated with Arizona, have a legend around the
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ant people. These beings, described as wise and industrious, are said to have helped the Hopi survive
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by providing refuge underground and teaching them essential survival skills. They also look a lot like
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the reptilian beings here. They are also traditionally depicted in cave art with three fingers and three
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toes. Could this just be what we're seeing here? Another possible theory is that the M-types, or the
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hominid-looking beings, are the hybridization of the reptilians and humans. They retain some of the more
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idiosyncratic features of the Tridactyl Reptilians, like the three fingers and three toes, but they look
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mostly human. Remember the local dialect's translation for the name of the region,
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laboratory for insemination and hybridization. An even weirder theory, and perhaps the most contrarian
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take, would be that the J-type reptilians are the real beings, and the M-type hominids were just humans
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who were deformed or mutilated in an ancient sophisticated way to imitate the J-types. Finally,
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maybe these beings are just the gray aliens that we see in all these abduction cases. Maybe the adult
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ones are the quote-unquote tall grays, and the kids are the quote-unquote little grays. They definitely
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look like them. In fact, former American Alchemy guest and friend of the show, Whitley Streber,
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who claims a lot of contact with gray aliens, and whose book Communion helped popularize them in the
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United States, is deeply interested in this case. In fact, he introduced me to a lot of the researchers.
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But people describe grays as being able to sort of manipulate their local reality. Well, maybe the
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osmium and cadmium implants in these beings allow them to control their electromagnetic signature and
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be perceived differently by different people. Again, who knows? And what about the least crazy
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possibility? The idea that maybe we've just found a new terrestrial species, or a new branch of hominid?
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Well, you can actually look it up. We know that anywhere from 21 to 30 hominids have walked the earth,
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depending on how stringent your classification system is. Only human homo sapiens exist today.
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But guess how many hominids we've discovered in just the last 10 years? Again, depending on your
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strictness and definitions, anywhere from 5 to 10 have been found in just the last 10 years.
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That's a very high percentage of overall hominid beings discovered in just the last decade.
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This is the problem with fossils, right? Because when things die, they don't really create fossils
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unless it's a very extraordinary instance. You know, like something unusual has to occur. You got to get
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trapped in mud. Right.
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You know, that's how... So most of the things that have lived, we don't have fossils of,
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which is if this thing was a small percentage or small population, small percentage of the living
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humans, and some of them are like that, and they just died off like 500 years ago, 1,000 years ago.
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And these ones got saved because they were around a diatomaceous earth mine, which preserved their
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organs and their whole body. Just from an anthropology perspective, that should be the most fascinating
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thing. But it's got the stink of a hoax on it, so people don't want to go and study it.
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The issue with the hominid thing is that hominids usually don't have three fingers or three toes.
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But some mammals, like sloths, do. But some anthropologists, like Roger Zuniga at the
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University of Ica, like to make a very important distinction. They say the M-types are very likely not
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hominid given their unique tridactyl features. They are more humanoid. They just appear human,
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but are ultimately genetically and phylogenetically very dissimilar.
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And another thing, not everyone died at the same time. There are specimens that range from 1,800 years
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to 700 years ago. Wow. So over a thousand years span difference. Wow. That makes us journalists
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and those of us investigating think that there has been coexistence of these species
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with humans, our ancestors, for more than 1,000 years.
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The main issue with this entire case is that it has a stigma, a stench. Because as soon as you hear
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the term alien mummies, half the population is zealously willing to believe anything,
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and the other half will believe nothing you say. There are very few adults in the room.
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Conventionally credentialed people willing to earnestly look into this.
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I want you to make a 2x2 quadrant. Credentialed people is the x-axis,
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and open and closed mindedness is the y-axis. Almost everyone is either in the credentialed,
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closed minded camp, or the uncredentialed, radically open minded camp. We need more credentialed people
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willing to make bold moves and investigate mysteries like these. Basically, we need more
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people in the credentialed, open minded camp. People like John McDowell, Jim Caruso, Dr. Jose Zalce,
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I really appreciate that you take the effort to come to my country to investigate this closely.
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What you are doing hasn't been done by the scientists. The archaeologists have not done it.
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Neither have the YouTubers, nor the communicators, nor the journalists have done what you are doing.
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Catastrophic disclosure is happening in Latin America. And I wish that our community back in the
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U.S. would pay more attention to what's happening here. Yeah. I'm sick of like arguing about the Wilson
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memo. And it's like, who cares? Yeah. We've anointed these high priests of ufology.
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These people who, I won't name them, but we all know who they are, who all have security clearances.
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And like, we're expected to just all line up and wait for the next, you know, little drip of
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controlled disclosure. And for me, that's not what I signed up for. Like when I got into this, this was a
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very anti-authoritarian movement. It was very grassroots. You know, the people with security
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clearances were the enemies unless they were becoming whistleblowers, you know? Right.
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I thank you once again for coming here. I hope you have a good trip and I want to dedicate to...
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To dedicate to his grandpa.
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This is a good spirit, man.
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He's going to be our few moments, his grandpa. His grandpa.
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We were in the middle of recording and I was informed that my grandfather had died.
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I saw you walk over and I, my heart went out to you. I felt like we needed to pause and you just
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continued on and so, uh, so grateful for you, man, and for all your work. And I know
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your grandfather is watching over you incredibly proud of all your work and he'll continue to guide you.
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Although it's clear that forensic experts in various countries all seem to think that at least the M-types
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or hominids are real, we're just not getting a clear sample from the genetics. Because of that,
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I decided to hit up my buddy Ben Lamb at Colossal Biosciences. From its inception, Colossal was advised
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by George Church at Harvard, maybe the top geneticist in the world. They've also single-handedly
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de-extincted the direwolf. They've literally brought it back from ancient DNA samples.
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So they are going to run tests on these Nazca mummies. And hey, if Colossal brought the direwolf
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back from extinction, maybe they can bring one of these beings back too. I'm half joking here.
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I've seen Jurassic Park and I know how that story ends. But another part of me thinks that the
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gatekeepers won't accept the reality of these things until they see one live walking around.
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There's only one gate to get through. They need the permission of the Peruvian government.
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If the Peruvian government won't let a top American biotech company, a company advised by maybe the top
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geneticist in the world, use their proprietary ancient DNA testing techniques to test these mummies,
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then I don't know what else you need as far as their orientation towards the subject. Us reaching out to
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them and their reaction will be a clear indicator. It will be a forcing function. Are you pro openness,
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humanity, and science? Or do you want to be a gatekeeper and keep a lid on this thing?
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Again, this is Colossal asking for permission to take samples of these bodies from Peru to the US.
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If that doesn't work out, I will also put up all of the money to personally fly. Any expert in genetics,
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any paleoarchaeologist, any proteomics expert to go down to Peru, go to the University of Ica,
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and study these bodies firsthand. I think that there are a lot of different steps that need to
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be taken if we're going to realistically examine the specimens. And that would include, and I hope I'm
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not going too far afield here, but if these are tridactyl organisms, the DNA here ought to match the DNA
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here ought to match the DNA here. And interestingly enough, the DNA is most likely to be preserved in a
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tooth. And so if all four of those or five of those or more areas match up, then you've got an entity.
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If they don't, that's not the same organism.
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The definition of a grifter is someone who wants to keep these things in a liminal space.
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They don't want any of these cases collapsed into true or false. I could just make these videos and
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tell the world that these things are definitely extraterrestrial, which I can't say for certain,
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and just move on. But I don't want to do that. I want to actually figure out what the hell is going on.
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So the mystery continues, but we will find out soon whether this is a crazy, sophisticated hoax
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or we have a new species on our hands. Until next time, I'm Jesse Michaels, and this is American Alchemy.
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Thanks for the support. It means a lot.
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He has a little eye issue. I think that the ocean would heal it because it would be antiseptic.
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I'm sure your editor is going to fucking love having this footage, where he just doesn't even know how
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it's connected. No, we're going to include it. It's humanizing the story.
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Yeah. Should we just take the trajectory?
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Chad GPT reasoning told me that viewers get smart man fatigue from my shows because it's too many facts.
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So I've got to show more personality. So that's what we're doing now.
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Smart man fatigue. Interesting. Smart man fatigue. I can see that.
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code in music is on the floor.
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