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Do you have any takes on the UFO thing that very few people agree with you on or that, you know,
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are really out of left field sounding to the average person or something?
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All of the world loved me.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, in a world where like it's actually seen as somewhat conventional
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to believe in at least the phenomena itself, do you have any sort of really contrarian
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takes on how the stuff works or?
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No, what I do believe is that it has an awful lot to do with consciousness.
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They're monitoring us trying to gauge our state of evolution of consciousness because that's
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a very big deal to them.
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You know, they use it to drive their craft, to navigate.
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They tell up, telepathically communicate, you know, that this whole thing of the level
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of consciousness that we're at is really important to them.
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Do you think legacy programs have made any sort of progress on the stuff?
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It's kind of a branch office of it, which is the remote viewing stuff that help put
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off in the targ and those guys have been involved in.
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You think that's still an effect and so there's no doubt about that?
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I mean, that's really sophisticated stuff.
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I mean, really sophisticated stuff.
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It gives you conviction there.
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I mean, obviously, it pops up in skin walkers at the Pentagon that they're studying it,
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you know, as part of A-tip and OSAP or whatever.
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But like that, to me, is small fish.
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You know, it's not a lot of money.
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It's a big deal in that, you know, when you know what they accomplished in that program,
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which they're lying about, everybody say, oh, well, they didn't get very far.
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They kind of shut it down.
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So what do you think they actually accomplish?
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Well, I'll give you an example.
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Because I read the whole file on it.
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Or are you just talking about like just McMonagal?
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No, I'm talking about Pat Price.
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What happened with Pat Price again?
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Pat Price was such an accomplished remote viewer.
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That they actually, he got to a point where they, this one particular thing and the reason
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I saw this, parenthetically, is that I was at
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a grant event on Capitol Hill.
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I see that at the very top of Capitol Hill in the W report, at eight in half a year all
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of those downtown Matt tenido, I agree.
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You know, I also Gedanken on the Labour Party, but I think I'm kind of honest.
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Mostly particularly from the north immigrants here.
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And I was just about twenty years now, or maybe twenty-five years.
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But I was actually just over 18, so they went to talk about the West.
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And that was one of these areas, like the out states are not important, but where
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what I hated was growing up.
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I followed up to the sides.
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in front of the grand jury, they called me again, and I went up to New York because I
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am admitted in the Southern District, and I got an injunction shutting them down, so they
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couldn't do that, because it was totally unconstitutional again.
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And so they were so sort of in and word of me that they talked with Ron Hubbard and Ron
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Hubbard wanted to have me be the lawyer for them, you know, with him and his wife Susan,
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you know, against the IRS, that whole thing they were doing.
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So I said that, look, I wouldn't even meet with Ron Hubbard unless there was a condition
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precedent that I could be given access to every single document anywhere in the world
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in the internal files of the Church of Scientology.
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I figured that was a real nonstarter, right?
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And within a week they came back and said, it's a deal.
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No, what do you want to see?
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And so I could query anybody's e-meter results.
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I could get anything I wanted.
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And so they flew me down to Florida and the big blue cube they've got down there, this
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big huge blue building.
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And so I go in and there's the head of the Guardian's office, the U.S.
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Guardian's office and the international head of the Guardians, you know, out of the
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And they say, so what do you want to see?
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And I said, well, first, what I want to see is the file you got on me in the American
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No, we've got the IDOL.
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No, and I said, excuse me.
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I said, wait, I fell off some melon lag in somewhere.
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I said, you know, you're going to have to be Elrond Hubbard's attorney.
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And you don't have any file on me at all in the international guys.
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Go get him the file.
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You know, so they bring me the file.
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How much stuff did they have?
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Well, they had, you know, pictures of me.
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I was in Jesuit, Canada.
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I was at the headquarters.
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You know, they were following me around and showed me different restaurants, you know,
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and meeting with people, you know, Mark Lane and some of the other guys.
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You know, they saw the other lane.
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He was like Kennedy assassination.
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Yeah, rushed to judgment.
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He was the author of that.
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You know, so, you know, they had all these kind of things.
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And so I said, okay, good.
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I just wanted to make sure that it was accurate, you know, and then so the international
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guy says, me, so, okay, so what else do you want to see?
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I said, I want to see the three most sensitive files in the entire world, according to you,
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as the head of the Guardian's office.
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You know, and he just went, oh, fuck, he said, I said, so, so either you get them or not.
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You know, so he gets up and is gone and rubles is around, comes back.
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And he ends up laying one of the files in front of me.
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And I started looking at it and it was all reports by Ingo Swann.
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Ingo Swann was filing reports with the head Guardian office in the UK about the entire
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internal operations of the Office of Naval Intelligence, remote viewing program.
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What they were doing, he was just giving them all the information.
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And he was a spy or something?
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Yeah, well, he was a spy for the Church of Scientology.
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For the Church of Scientology?
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Over and against the Office of Naval Intelligence.
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Why would he do that?
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Because he was a high level clearer.
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That was his loyalty group.
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So that he was a pre-usloiled to them prior to?
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Because I always thought put off was like looking into that stuff.
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Because he was an NSA guy before he was a Scientology guy.
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So I thought put off was just like tasked to like looking into this, you know, very, you
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know, para-governmental intelligence organization.
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That is Scientology that's seen as a threat.
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And so, you know, put, get put off in there.
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No, this was a stuff.
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I mean, the Church of Scientology, you're not aware of it.
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They're highest principle in the Church of Scientology is all to do with UFOs.
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So yeah, they believe that there is a major confrontation going on between the human-like
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people from the Pleiades over and against the reptilians from Zeta Ritikuli, and that
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there's a major confrontation going on over which of them is going to actually assert major
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relations with our planet.
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Do you agree with that world?
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But Swan was like fully in with the Scientologist.
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And so, you're also saying that there's a remote viewing program that was deeper than
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Stargate, because that was an office of naval intelligence.
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That was in DIA after CIA.
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No, this was a program in Pat Price.
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I'll just treat some idea.
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Pat Price, you know, they had the file and Goswan had the file that Pat Price had gotten
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so good at remote viewing that they assigned him a task of they gave him the exact longitudinal
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latitude down to the minute and second of a location, and he was assigned an artist.
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So he didn't have to do these henscratches, trying to show it.
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But he was in he was saying, you know, I so what's there?
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So there's this major building here.
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And there's big big fence up with the razor wire on the top of it and everything.
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And his facilitator was was Russell Tark.
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And so Russell's saying, okay, now can you get inside the fence?
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Can you see anything inside the fence?
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He goes, yeah, okay.
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Yeah, I can see inside the fence.
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There's just this nomads land there.
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Can you get to the front door of this place?
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And he said, all right.
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I'm in front of the front door.
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And he said, can you go inside the building?
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He said, let me see here.
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I can see inside the building here.
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I said, so what do you see?
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See, there's this big lawn hallway.
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And there's some doors on both sides.
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And Russell said, now go down to the third door on the left.
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Is it, can you go into the room?
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Yeah, I'm going to the room.
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Well, there's big desk there and chairs and stuff.
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There's a big file cabinet over in the right corner over here.
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Go over to the file cabinet.
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Because there was a file cabinet.
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There's a second drawer.
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Well, that's not the point.
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The point is that he did it.
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You know, it turns out it's an American facility.
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It's a top CIA security facility.
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Yeah, but that's insane then.
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So anybody with remote viewing skills can get the nuclear codes.
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Not anybody, but Pat Price could.
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So that's Pat Price, right?
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And in the same file, it points out that Pat Price had actually evolved to the point
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where they could take a full photograph of a boomer class Russian submarine.
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Nuclear submarine and show it to him and say, where is it?
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And he would give him right down to the exact longitude and latitude down to the minute and second of exactly where that is.
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And he visualized the whole thing and told him exactly where it was.
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But there was a huge UFO right over the top of the water where that thing was.
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And it was tracking it and monitoring it.
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And he got in the file.
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I'm going, whoa, I said, this is pretty, pretty wild.
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And then I said, OK.
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So what else have you got?
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You know, he says, well, here.
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And he said, I said, show me the show me the second file.
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And he showed me the second file.
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And it was the again from Ingoswan.
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It was a deep inside report from Ingoswan that they had taken Pat Price in the program
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up to Southern Canada, South Central Canada, just north of the state of Michigan.
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And he was in the, he brought him to this little facility.
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He was like this little domed, little building.
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And he had these big, huge dishes on top, these communication dishes on top.
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And they brought him in and they set him down and they put this helmet on him.
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And they had him think a particular message.
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And they turned all the, the antenna down to the northern peninsula of Michigan,
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that little section that's in there and had him be telepathically projecting, you know,
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when it comes time for you to file your national, your US income tax forms next year,
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file them in this little post office box down this little town down in West Virginia.
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And 85% of the people did it next year.
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You keep saying that.
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So you're saying, you're saying that, you're saying that.
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The Scientology had some sort of mass, mind control.
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There wasn't the Church of Scientology.
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This was the program.
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Oh, that was the program.
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This was the program.
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But that's, that's like the implications of that are crazy.
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No, they're profound.
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They're not quite, quite crazy.
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What is the average person?
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Do you think that there is a part of our government that interacts systematically with
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this other life form?
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Because like if you watch the movie, contact, you know, Jody Foster walks into the, you know,
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this plane and it's almost like the implication is this guy who's been like kind of tracking her,
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but he's part of this strata of the world that's just very elite and he kind of interfaces with it.
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Multi-billionaire guy.
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Multi-billionaire guy.
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Do you think that that is the case in our world?
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I put it a little bit differently.
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I have no doubt whatsoever.
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No doubt whatsoever.
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Zero doubt that there is an element inside our government structures that is part of the intelligence
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community as part of the military that have direct knowledge about the existence of the
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extraterrestrial beings that are here on the planet.
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But are they systematically in touch with them?
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Well, do we have treaties or agreements or...?
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That's a question of degree now.
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The question then would be is that in light of the fact that they know that they're here,
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that it would be almost impossible to believe that they hadn't made efforts to have some kind of communication with them.
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They are going to just let them sit there.
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Would you take that a step farther though and say that we've...
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Yeah, it may be a agreement.
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It may be a agreement.
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Well, you have to take it one step at a time.
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That I think that they clearly would have made the effort to have communication with them.
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So the next question you have to ask is, is it reasonable to believe that the beings would have communicated with them at all?
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There does seem to be some sort of a tacit understanding that they have about being able to coexist in some way
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whereby the United States government isn't going to just run out and say,
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oh, everybody, there's beings from another system, you know, star system here and airplane.
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You know, so they obviously have got some sort of protocol established here where they're not going to be revealing it.
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And the beings themselves are not just going to land on the central park and tell everybody.
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