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I have probably some learning that of 60 something photographs of things on Mars.
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They're clearly here we have.
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Is it possible that there was a civilization on Mars thousands of years ago?
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When did you start to believe there was a life on Mars?
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Well, you saw the square.
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That square on Mars from the photo.
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That's three feet long and it beg around.
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That was taken on Mars.
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That's laying on Mars.
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These pyramidal places are like hibernation chambers.
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They're trying to survive until somebody comes to save them.
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Wow, that's amazing.
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That's not the coolest thing.
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That's so cool though.
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You're saying that you remote view to pyramid on Mars a million years ago.
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I'm here with the legendary Joseph McMonigal.
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You are known as Remote Viewer number one.
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And in my mind, you are sort of the archetypal remote viewer as part of the Stargate program.
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I think you're as or more gifted than any psychic in the world.
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And you've developed some open source protocols that you now teach as well.
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You won the Legion of Merit for over 200 instances in which you added to military intelligence.
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You've saved countless lives.
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And so thank you for your service and thank you for having me here.
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Of course you're welcome.
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Well, let's get into it.
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I think a lot of people when it comes to the psychic question, they wonder if it's just this innate thing you're born with or whether it's trained.
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Well, everybody's born with it.
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Which you have to understand is if you went back 400,000 years, we didn't have language.
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So the typical grouping of people was a family and it would be like 12 to 15 people, you know, from the older all the way down to the youngest.
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And we couldn't, we actually didn't have a language.
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We couldn't speak to one another.
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We start out grunting and pointing.
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So the men did the hunting and the women did the gathering back in those days.
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So you were at high risk just doing either one of those because the animals were extremely dangerous.
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So if there were six men, eight men circling an animal for a kill, they had to know each one of them was doing them if they were in the right place and doing the right thing.
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The same thing with the women if they were out gathering in a place where they were looking for roots, let's say, and it was tall grass.
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And a saber-toothed tiger came into that grass.
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You couldn't see it.
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But instinctively, just like you see deer doing today, all the women said to come up and they'd all look in that direction and start backing into a crowd.
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Because there's more defense in a crowd.
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So it's almost like with the development of writing and other senses that have become more emphasized in modernity, we have lost this innate ability to communicate with nature.
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Think of it this way.
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Eventually, one family in it met another family in it.
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They decided to share the same cave.
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So you're sitting in the cave and your strong point is that you can actually almost read somebody's mind.
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In other words, you're reading other human beings because you've been doing it your whole life.
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And you're just starting to develop a language.
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So you send it to fire and the guy crossing me was a new stranger.
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The first time you've ever had a stranger sitting there and he's kind of oogling your spear.
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You know, like, oh man, that's a good looking spear.
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He starts checking your woman out.
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So that didn't work.
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So Mother Nature does what it always does when they have to fix something.
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It probably installed an early filter of some kind.
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Maybe it was in the close and where the mind interchange information.
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The corpus close, which divides the left and right.
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So it probably did that in order to just slow it down a little bit.
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Make it a little a little more harder to perceive.
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Well, that's interesting.
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I think it's a sort of Julian James, you know, the origins of who he talks about the bicameral mind.
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And the origins of consciousness and how there is a splitting between left and right brain.
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And the corpus close him is that sort of splitting.
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And when you think about schizophrenia, it deals with anomalies in the corpus close.
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And Kim Peek, who's the famous, he's the inspiration for rain man, actually had cephalitis.
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That allowed him seemingly to download all of this information as if it was from the cloud or something.
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And so there does seem like there's a part of that brain, which divides the left and right brain when actually hinders allows for more downloads.
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Yeah, and we did a lot of studies when I went from the army into the research lab.
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We did a lot of studies while doing remote.
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And it turns out there were a lot of things we discovered.
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Some of them were there are actual brain cells throughout the nervous system.
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So if you want to talk about mine, you have to talk about the entire body now because the entire brain is in the nervous system.
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And it's also in the head in the skull.
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Your senses are exquisitely sensitive for a lot of stuff.
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But we don't pay any attention to it because if we ever problem, we go see a doctor.
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Are we looking up in a book or whatever?
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We didn't have to have that instant understanding for what was going on.
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So it at your fees naturally.
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And what I find really interesting is I don't know if you're tracking this, but one of the number one podcasts in the country right now, something called the telepathy tapes.
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And it's nonverbal, often autistic children who have extremely high rates of clairvoyance.
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And so one has to wonder, is there opportunity cost with the language that we have developed?
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And when you're not relying on that language, do you revert back to a more primordial form of communication?
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Well, it brings consciousness into an arena where you no longer are sensing these surroundings or the situational awareness.
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Your focus is taking off of that.
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And it's into how you're going to communicate what you feel about person across me, what you're sensing from them.
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So you, the warning system that was very functional 200,000 years ago becomes more dysfunctional.
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Well, you take somebody and put them in combat for a lot.
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And are you put a policeman on the beat at night alone or firemen in a building on fire?
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They got to know when to like back out of that fire because the building is going to collapse.
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Or we're not to go in the alley because it's an ambush.
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So you become more situational aware about the entire area around you instead of just where you're sitting.
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When do you first recall as a child being like, okay, maybe I'm kind of good on this sort of psychic stuff?
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When they decided some of the gangs in the area decided they needed me as a token-like kid.
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I didn't work for me.
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To literally, mentally scout what might happen to them or something?
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Because I didn't feel comfortable with people that I know might have not liked me as much as the other kids.
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Or were waiting for me to be alone with my change from going to the store for my mother or something.
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You know, it became a danger for me in many cases just going to the store.
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Because I had that $5 bill on my pocket or something.
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Do you remember any specific instances where you got some download as a child?
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Yeah, you knew something was going to happen before it did.
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Not so much specific instances.
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I just remember being alert all the time.
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And hearing voices sometimes would tell me, don't do this.
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But back off, don't go down that road.
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And I remember we were on the phone one time and you were talking about just shamanic traditions generally.
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In the beginning, the people who kept small tribes of humans alive were coming.
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And often, shamans from a physical perspective wouldn't be the most adaptive.
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They might be sickly or protected actually by the group by the tribe.
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But extremely from a group selection level, extremely adaptive for the tribe.
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Because they're essential for scouting what might kind of come around the bed.
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The shamans make all the decisions.
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I mean, they notice things like a blackbird lands on a certain limb and faces a certain way.
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And it means something to them.
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But only because it's tied to maybe what the weather's going to do.
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But they're not they're not observant enough to know the weather's changing.
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But they are observant enough to notice the blackbirds.
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So they sort of superstitiously anchor things being caused by the environment that relates to changes and things that are going to be dangerous.
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So what point do you get recruited for the military?
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In the military, you mean for remote viewing?
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No, I mean generally.
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You were in Vietnam in my wrong.
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Yeah. But my first tour.
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When I joined the military, my original AIT Advanced Medial Individual Training was for the thing called the Sidewinder.
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It was a track mounted 6106 recalls rifle barrels.
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And they used them for anti-tank and bunker bussing, that sort of thing.
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So I actually wanted that.
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When I first joined, I wanted to fly fixed wing.
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But I couldn't because I had a problem with my eyes for depth perception.
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So they said you can't fly with glasses.
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So pick another MLS.
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So military occupational especially.
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So I picked the sidewinder because I really thought it was cool.
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So I went eight weeks to AIT for that.
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And as soon as I graduated, everybody got sent to Vietnam except me.
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They all me back and said the Army decided to.
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Decided to obsolete your weapon system.
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They're going to turn it all over to the South Vietnamese Army.
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So you need to find another job.
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So go out on the base and find something you like.
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So I spent two days walking around the base.
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And it's a training base.
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It was Fort Jackson, South Carolina.
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So one afternoon, I wouldn't find anything I like.
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So one afternoon I went to the beer hall, which was connected to the PX.
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So since it's a training facility, it was empty.
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It's just me in there.
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And I was drinking a beer.
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They served 3.2 beer there.
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It's terrible stuff.
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But I was drinking a beer by myself and this man came in.
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A civilian with a beard.
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And he sat way across the room.
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And I said, what are you way over there?
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Why did you come over here and sit with me?
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So he came over and he said, why aren't you in training?
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And I explained to him what I was doing.
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And he said, well, maybe I can help.
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He gave me his card.
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But on his card, all he had was his name on one side.
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And his phone number on the other.
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So I called him the next day.
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And he told me how to get to his office.
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And he was working in a trailer.
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And so when I went in the trailer, I found out that he was a guy who was an intelligence.
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And I asked him, is there any openings in intelligence?
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And he said, there could be.
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He said, but for your commitment, it's not long enough.
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You have to have a six-year commitment because it takes a long time to train.
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So I said, well, I can't.
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So he gave me a short discharge and I realized it for six years.
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Which was crazy nice then.
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And I got picked up for intelligence and sent to school.
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I went to school for 16 months.
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I went through three classes.
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The first one, 130 people.
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I graduated second in the class.
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So on what criteria?
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This was all about radios.
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Learning to operate all, you know, trying to use radios, rushing radios, American radios,
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all those kinds of things.
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And so you're pretty technically savvy.
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That's what the trainees for.
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And the problem was international Morse code.
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I had to learn international Morse code.
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And I had to learn to send it and receive it with a pencil and a OpenJ28 key.
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And I had to be able to do that at 20 words a minute.
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And I was getting closer and closer to graduation date.
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And if I couldn't get past 12, I wouldn't graduate.
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I'd become a, what they call 11b, grunt for the rifle.
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You know where you go when you're grunt with a rifle.
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So I went to the, I went out through a hole in the fence to a hotel downtown in the local town.
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And shot cool and drank beer all night.
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I was late for class.
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I went into the classroom and sat down.
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And the instructor came over and he did one of these.
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Where have you been?
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I said, I can't, can't do this.
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And he put the headsets on me.
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Hand me the key and said, you're going to have to or you're going to be a numb.
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So I passed 10, 12, 15, 20, 15, 18, 22 that day.
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And like two hours, something popped in my head.
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And it's just like a language to me now.
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But even there, you're showing this ability to learn.
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You're saying you're not technically savvy, but under certain, you know, the rest.
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No, it's like a language though.
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You know, if you have to translate things in your head while you're listening,
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you're not really learning the language.
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It's when you automatically know what the person is saying in that language,
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I was talking to this woman named Dr. Diane Powell, who studies a lot of these nonverbal children.
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And she was saying that the mind itself is a sense.
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And I didn't quite understand what you meant by that, but you're kind of corroborating that.
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Yeah, because you have to understand everything about your senses is a conscious sensing.
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Your mind is telling you what these things like your eyes, your ears, your nose
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are telling you about the world at large.
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The problem is you're locked inside a bone box.
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So all this out here is just the figment of your imagination that your mind is put together.
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So the eyes alone, to give you an example, the eyes alone, vibrate.
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And we don't, we don't know.
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We can't even tell it.
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The reason they vibrate is they're actually giving you two different pictures with big black holes in the middle.
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Because the back of the eyeballs were the nerve root connects.
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So there's no rods and cones there.
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So to get rid of those big black holes, it's called dithering.
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It produces a multitude of pictures very quickly by vibrating the eyes.
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And it overlays and washes away the black holes.
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So then it combines the result.
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And what you see is what your mind has created out of all that vibratory moving around.
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So if there's something in the room that you detest, you may never see it.
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And there's lots of stuff you can find on the internet now like where they say, you know, tell me how many times these two guys pass a basketball.
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And you're focused on something else.
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You're focused on that.
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And when the film's over, they'll say something like, did you see the six foot four guy in the bill of suit?
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You go get out of here.
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Have you ever heard the term flicker rate?
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Does that mean anything to you?
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Yeah, it means a lot to me because that has an effect as well.
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All of our senses are not not exquisite.
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Can you explain what flicker rate is to the average person in the audience?
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Flicker rate is the existence of something is not fixed.
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It's here gone here gone here gone here gone.
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And the eyes are looking at something like the area that you're staring at.
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Well, that's a flicker rate too because of the multiple vibrations and the repicturing of it.
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And so if those mash up perfectly sink, it's probable that you're not going to see anything there.
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It's there when you're not seeing, seeing not there, not seeing there.
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The flicker rates are off.
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So it's almost like a frame rate and a camera or something.
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You've seen pictures of helicopters where it looks like a blade's not moving and it just lifts off the ground.
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That's a flicker rate.
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The prop spin is exactly the same as the actual frame rate of the camera.
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So it's freeze framing the prop only in that position all the time.
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And given that you're getting the sort of disparate images that your mind has to sort of reconcile.
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It almost feels like whatever symbolic conventions you have in your mind somehow defines what you see.
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And those are developed culturally from birth.
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What everybody's told you reality is constructed like it's all the things that have worked up to that point.
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And there's a lot of things you will never see because you just simply don't process it.
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It would be like if someone has never seen a violent act in their life and they're sitting next to a table where a guy is shot and killed.
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The guy just simply shoots them, drops a gun, puts his hands in his pocket and strolls out.
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There can be eight people watch that happen and half of them will not have seen it.
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Because it's too traumatic.
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What you're almost saying is that reality itself might be like radically subjective.
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It's what we intend to see or need to see or feel like we can deal with.
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And so your intention somehow is super fundamental to what you actually see or your attention.
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But even worse, it's the same with the ears, the same with taste and smell.
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Smell is pretty powerful though because smell goes right to the brain.
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It does not mess around with being manipulated anyway.
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Well, the old factory region is right next to the hippocampus.
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So it's very nostalgic.
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It's like when you smell the saber-toothed tiger, you could bet it's there.
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But you may not recognize the smell.
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But smelling it causes you to freeze frame and say, well, something's wrong.
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I can't go any further.
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I need to back out of here.
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That's because the smell just told you it's there, but you have not cognitively known that yet.
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So you find yourself going through these tests for intelligence and passing with flying colors, especially under duress.
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I was in the top three of all three classes that I went through.
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I went from the class of 130.
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I was second in the class.
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So I went in another class, had 25 people.
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And I was first in that class.
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Then I went to a class with five people.
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I was the only one in uniform.
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And I graduated from the first in that class.
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So everybody went off to Vietnam.
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And they retained me for like two weeks.
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One day they came in and took all my uniforms away and sent me to a Lynchburg, Massachusetts with $500 said buy clothes.
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So I bought a whole lot of clothes in a suitcase.
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And then the next day they put me on a C-130 in an airbase close by.
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And I made, I think nine stops at night.
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And I was in charge of two big pallets of classified material.
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So I had to release it to the proper people with the right credentials.
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And the last stop we made was one box.
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And they said, take that with you.
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And I got off the plane and the plane took off.
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And I was standing looking at a very short runway in the middle of nowhere.
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There was a shack made out of metal.
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And I sat on this log because there was no fields there.
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And it was warm and wet.
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And over on the left the water was like pale blue.
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And on the right it was deep purple.
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And that island went off in both directions as far as you could see.
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But none of it was wider than three football fields.
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So it's like a shoe strain.
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And I said, where in the heck am I?
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And a guy pulled up in a baby blue jeet wearing shorts, white t-shirt and flip flops.
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And he walked over and he said, are you Joe?
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And I said, yeah, and he said, I'm your boss, my name's Sal.
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And I was on a loo-thread in the Bahamas.
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This is my first tour was 18 months within a whisper jet where I grew up.
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And so your initial job is transporting classified material?
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Oh, my can't even talk about my initial job.
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My cover was airsy rescue.
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So it was interesting because I was a lifeguard, a red cross lifeguard.
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I could instruct people on how to swim.
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Half the unit couldn't swim and we were supposed to be saving people.
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So I thought people who couldn't swim had a swim.
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But that was covered for something else.
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That's like a weird movie here.
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And it turns out there was a man there who he was a diver and he used to clean the legs of oil wells out in the Gulf of Mexico
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until he got sucked into the mouth of the fish once.
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It's scared him so bad.
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You know, a big grouper that's a sizable bolts wagon.
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He opened their mouth, creates a back in.
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And he was cleaning the legs of this, this big floating platform with a steam wand.
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And this grouper was very curious.
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So it came up behind him and it opened its mouth and he got sucked backwards into this fish.
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And it didn't hurt him or anything.
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It just, he got stuck in his grouper's mouth.
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And he spitting out finally and it frightened him so bad he quit his job.
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It was rehired by the down-range people.
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It came, it was to clean the connectors on the water cables.
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It was pretty gnarly, man.
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Speaking of gnarly and intense, you fell out of a helicopter.
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I know, I didn't fall out.
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What happened? You pushed out?
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That was in latter part of 67.
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We had these helicopters at special jobs they did.
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And we had three of them.
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And they were special because they put larger engines in them.
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And we had electronic equipment mounted in them that did certain things, which was classified.
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But it really hurt the enemy while we were doing.
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It took them about two months to figure out what we were doing.
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And they took out all three helicopters in ten days.
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I was in one of those when we were coming into Plakus City to land.
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And as we, in Vietnam, because of the heat, a helicopter can't just lift off and land,
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unless it's in a higher elevation because of the air is too warm.
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So, if Plakus City would take off like a plane, you start moving down the runway and lift off the same with landing.
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So, we were landing this one day, coming off a mission.
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And they said, they call our number and you know, break right, break right.
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And we rolled over to the right and this big bomber came in and all shot up.
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So, we had to wait until they cleared the runway.
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So, we went out over the trees just outside the runway.
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And we're hovering there because it was cooler.
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So, because it was cool, we had the front doors open and I was sitting on the open side to the outside with my feet on the skid.
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I was just being cool in both ways.
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Cool sitting there and cool from the air.
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And we got hit right in the belly with an RPG and blew the helicopter up.
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It's fireballed. And I woke up on the ground.
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Basically, I got blown out, fell probably a little over 100 feet.
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That's why. And landed.
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I landed in the sitting position, you know, just bang with my legs out, sat.
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I could see my rifle in front of me. It was dusk.
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And the Ford observer who saw that happen radioed back that
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was a fireball. He didn't think there were any survivors.
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He said nobody could have survived that because it's fireballed.
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But since we had all the doors open, everybody was blown out of the helicopter.
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Nobody died. But people were really messed up.
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That's a miracle that you survived.
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Well, I tried to reach for my gun in the pain made me pass out because I had compression fractures from my jaw to my butt.
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Your spine must have been just completely messed up.
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And your nerves as a result of that.
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So I couldn't get to my gun.
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So I found a big rock.
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And I pulled my boot knife out and rolled under a bush.
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And later on night, you could hear people in the brush poking around.
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So I think it was V.C. or somebody looking for us.
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So the next morning they found me and took me to the mashing and it put me in traction.
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They put these screws in my skull and hung wire with springs with these heavy sandbags.
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And I was on this cot.
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And I was like that for maybe not quite two weeks.
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And when you're stretched out like that, you become very relaxed.
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It takes a lot of the pain away.
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But then they came in one morning and the nurse said,
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we're going to have to get you out of here because we've been a lot of people coming in.
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So they took me out of traction.
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And I'll tell you the only thing you never want to experience is when your spine has been stretched for like 10 days.
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And then you swing your feet off the cot and stand up.
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Everything goes back into place.
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You don't want to know what that's.
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So I said, I'm still hurting.
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And they said, here, they hand me a jar about the size of this cup full of perksets.
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And they said, walk it off.
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So I take the perksets and I'm back to the unit.
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And I walked it off.
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And did you, and you were eventually recovered or did the died persist through your life?
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But I recovered to the point I could deal with it.
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That's true, Miracle.
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Do you think that that experience, that sort of trauma as a result of that actually enhanced or affected your psychic ability in any way?
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What, what enhanced my ability?
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I would hear things, feel things, and I would just react to them without actually thinking about it.
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I'm looking for an example.
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I was in a place called two bits, which was a fire base.
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And we got hit really hard one night.
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And they said, your job while you're here is if we come under attack, you go to the sea top, the combat tactical operations center.
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And go inside the bunker and run the radios, being controlled with the radius.
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So when we were attacked, I took off, went to the bunker.
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And I took, I was going down the steps into the bunker.
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And I heard somebody yell, freeze.
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So I stopped and I looked around in the whole bunker, just vaporized.
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Some guy got in there with probably a backpack of plastic and blew it up.
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So everybody in the bunker was either killer wanted.
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And I woke up 40 feet away, faced down in the mud with a battle going on.
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And found a hole and crawled into it.
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And stayed in the hole, hoping nobody got in the hole with me for the rest of the night.
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And when Don came, they broke contact and left.
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And so I got tagged for the, I had flakes of metal in me.
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And I got tagged for going back to the mashing and having the metal take out.
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But that's the kind of thing.
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You hear things, you will stop like when you're in the jungle, you just stop because something tells you not to go any further.
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And when that happens, I just go to ground, I just drop in hide.
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Well, you seem more tapped into that layer than anybody.
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And thank you for your service.
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Because I think you're known for your service in the psychic context more than your, you know, the fact that you're a combat veteran.
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But clearly you've gone through a lot of pretty intense stuff.
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I spent, well, 13 years for sure overseas.
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And if you count temporary duty, probably a little longer now.
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At what point does the CIA become interested in psychic spying?
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And how do you get roped in all?
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Well, in 1972, Russell Targan, how put off, Dr. How put off, wrote an article that I think it was called Nature magazine.
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And they wrote a book called Mindreach.
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And that got some notoriety.
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And so they met this guy.
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He was a police commissioner.
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And he was an older man. He's retired.
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And he made a claim that he could do psychic things.
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So they tested him and he could.
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So they had him do a remote, what they called remote viewing back.
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I don't think it was called that.
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It was called Projects Canate or something at the beginning.
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So they brought him in.
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And one of the targets he did, he actually blew the target.
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But he got something else when he did it.
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The target was an old cabin in the woods.
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And it belonged to a CIA man who was observing all this.
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He brought the target in because you got to be completely blind.
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So how put off didn't know what target was Russell Targan didn't know.
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And neither did Pat Price.
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Only the CIA guy who brought it in.
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And he was not present during the viewing.
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So what Pat Price did is instead of describing this old cabin in the woods,
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he described a clandestine site, which happened to be fairly close to the cabin,
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And when he described that, they were surprised.
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And they asked him to tell them about the inside.
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And he started talking about, this is a clandestine site.
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There's a safe in here, five door safes.
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And they said, look at one of the safes and tell us what's in there.
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So he named the project names of like three or four safes.
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I did not say it's files within the top door of the safe.
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It turns out all that was true.
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And when they found out, the CIA went, well, you know, this is really fascinating.
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So they came in, they tested him on a couple sites in Russia.
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Areas in Russia, which we knew existed, but could not get into.
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And he not only reported on them with accuracy, he talked about machinery and stuff there,
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like a big tower and these things they called doors, these giant slices out of a giant steel container.
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And they were obviously testing, controlled, nuclear reactions inside these steel spheres to power lasers, stuff like that.
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If I'm putting my skeptic hat on, you know, somebody from the audience is hearing this.
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And they're saying you can get inside safe and you can drop sensitive, you know, Soviet sites.
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What is protecting our cue codes right now?
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So basically anybody engaging in psych expiring a remote viewing can access the nuclear codes.
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Yeah, any ketchup that is probably one in 2000 people would have to be interested, trained for a lot of years to get to that level.
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And then you'd have to have a natural capacity for it and most don't.
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And but that doesn't mean it can't be used for intelligence purposes.
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I can take someone and struck them on how to do remote viewing.
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And give them a target that I don't even know what it is.
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It will be in a steel envelope and they'll tell me stuff about it.
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You did this with me and a friend.
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And my friend got it right and it freaked us all out.
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I did a program in Japan where I had a fourth grade class in the Northern island, the Cato.
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And I had a fourth grade class down in Kyushu.
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And I was in Tokyo and we put a row of fast machines in.
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And I had a steel envelope which nobody knew what was in it under a red cloth on a podium.
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And what I did is I trained the two classes of kids in like 10 minutes on how to do a remote viewing.
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And then we had them do the remote viewing and draw the first thing that came in their mind.
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And they faxed it in and we posted all those returns.
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So we had 70 pictures on the wall.
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Seven or eight of them at the bottom were just lines, just straight lines.
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Just a mix of massive straight lines.
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Everything above it, almost 70 pictures were stars.
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Everywhere you could draw a star, five point of star, star David, asterisk star, six point of star.
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I mean, everywhere you could possibly draw a star, these kids did that.
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And or a multitude of different stars that were alike.
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And we pinned them all up on the board.
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And then after they all had faxed something in, we went to a commercial break.
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When we came back, I pulled the folder out, the yellow folder out from under the red cloth, cut the end off and pulled the target out and showed it to the kids on the television.
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And we had cameras in both school, school rooms.
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What the target was was a small aquarium with a starfish stuff.
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And this is televised?
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Yeah. That's amazing.
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Can we get the footage?
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I don't have, I don't, well, maybe I do.
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I'm sending all this stuff to Rice University.
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Very cool. The archives, the impossible.
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And after 10 minutes of training.
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And 400 people in the audience pulled out their handkerchiefs.
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They were all so emotionally taken by that.
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They were unbelievable.
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Do you think kids have a kind of pre-dermatural ability to do this?
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No, they just don't know they can't.
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They have a pro-brand.
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They're spoiled by their training all their lives.
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Remote, people need to understand remote viewing.
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It's not about learning anything new.
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It's about unlearning all the bad habits that we make about
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deep into conclusions, making assumptions,
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on very little information.
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Well, you've given me all sorts of interesting information
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I remember when I was asking you, how do you do this?
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You said something super interesting.
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You were like, I tell my ego to run away.
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I give my ego something to do.
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If I can't get my ego out of it, I'll put my notebook in my pocket
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and go out and cut grass.
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And so that's fascinating.
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And that somehow allows you to be a better receptacle for.
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You got to get your ego out of it.
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And then the other interesting thing that you've said,
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and this is a little better known, is that you have to separate
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the transmission or download from the analysis.
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Well, actually you need to analyze it, but you don't up-analyze it.
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You down-analyze it.
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For instance, your subconscious has no language.
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The information probably comes out of the subconscious.
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So since it has no language of its own, it borrows from your memory.
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So let's say the target is a sewage processing process.
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A few people have ever seen a sewage processing plant.
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But it looks somewhat similar to an Olympic swimming pool.
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So your subconscious will give you the image of the last swimming pool you saw.
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And the thing you don't want to do is you don't want to come to the conclusion
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based on that that it's an Olympic swimming pool.
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That would be a mistake.
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What you do is you tear it apart.
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Why did I get the image of the swimming pool?
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What about that is real and what about that is not.
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And so you do things.
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You ask yourself questions about that entire thing that you just got.
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Things like, what I swim in it.
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Well, taste it and find out.
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So you're asking kind of like behavioral proxy questions or things like that.
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And you break it down into the base element.
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Oh, it's fascinating.
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Without deciding what it is.
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So you would never say a sewage processing plant.
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You would say things like round pool, some kind of fluid, stuff floating in the fluid,
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spinning, something spinning in there.
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It's breaking down a bad smell.
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It's almost like you have this multi-dimensional database in your head.
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And you have these connections between sewage, swimming pool.
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And you have to actually sever those connections.
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And just go directly at the target through these other kind of...
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You break it down through analysis by asking your mind, what feels good,
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what doesn't feel good about the image.
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And you can tear it down to pieces.
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Now, if you learn to do that, the first thing you want to do is a sketch.
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And the reason you do a sketch is it comes out of a different area of your mind.
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Sketches are like gestals.
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Let's say it's a bridge.
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If you try to sketch a bridge, you may not know it's a bridge, but you'll do a sweep.
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You'll put something on both ends.
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And you'll put a repeating pattern, like x is all connected together.
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That's the grid work underneath the bridge.
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You won't draw what you see, but you'll draw the parts of pieces that make you want to say something.
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As soon as you do that, you don't come to conclusion.
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You retaste the target and you put down something that you have down-analyzed.
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So by the time an analyst gets it, it doesn't look like anything specific,
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but the analyst you have to remember is working on a problem that he has collected all the data that's possible here, see.
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And so they're sitting in a desk.
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They know everything about the target except the answer they're looking for.
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They get your material and it guides them to an area that they may look at a different way.
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And they'll just go, wow, that's it.
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But the answer is not displayed.
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It's just referenced in a way.
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So the other parts of it are when you're learning to do this,
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you have a monitor or somebody who can guide you,
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they act as your left brain because you want to be totally in the right brain when you're doing this.
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And I'm saying that not as a reality, but as a function,
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because in reality, right left brain does not reside and right left side of the hemispheres.
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It's actually in both in both hemispheres.
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It's a way of thinking.
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Right brain is super esoteric.
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Yeah, intuitive, all that sort of thing.
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Left brain is analytic.
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It's where you would make a conclusion.
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But you have to be very careful about that.
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So the person who's doing the left brain thinking is a monitor.
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So let's say the remote viewer is getting something and they write something in.
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That left brain monitor can say, I can't read that in it.
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That makes it clearer.
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So they're operating to ensure that whatever is represented is good enough that it says something.
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Yeah, it can be analyzed.
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So this whole process, and what we found over time is that for some reason,
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when someone nails the target,
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it's sometimes just because the analysts are not the analysts.
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The monitor has asked exactly the right question to elicit the right answer.
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So in reality, both are being psychic.
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One of those is being psychic.
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The other person doesn't.
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People think of the analysts as kind of this full left brain thing,
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but it actually takes intuition to know a question to ask.
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There's a couple of examples of experiments that were done by the Russians
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that they totally bought into because it worked three times perfectly.
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So they said, this must be the way it works.
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And so because of that, it's how they ran their second unit.
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When we got that material from them when Perestroika came and we went over there and met them
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and got the whole box of material brought it back, what we discovered was the experiment was done perfectly.
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Everybody involved in the experiment was completely blind.
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But at the very outset, when they, it was all done with target mice,
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at the very outset, when they went to this place where they actually breed target mice and control mice,
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they all come from the same litter.
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So this guy went there and said,
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we need you to randomly number 12 target mice and 12 control mice.
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And the guy said, okay, and he used a random number generator to do that.
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He pushed a button, we give him a number, he shaved the mouse to me and put it on with us.
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He tattooed it on the mouse.
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So he did that with 24 mice, 1 through 24.
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Some of them were controls, he wrote them on the paper with newer controls.
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Some were randomly selected target mice.
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So all the numbers were different.
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They put them all in the cage and sent them to the year old mountain, 16 on a kilometer away.
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Now, as soon as you put all the mice in one cage, you're competing for sex and food.
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So the anxiety goes up.
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So the task for their, their remote viewers, their psych aches,
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was decide which are the target mice, which are the control mice,
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and only in the target mice raised their anxiety high enough to make them sick.
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They sent the mice to another lab that didn't know what was going on.
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And they killed the mice, analyzed the chemicals in their brain,
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and listed the mice from top to bottom, most anxiety ridden to least anxiety ridden,
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and drew a line between the top 12 and bottom 12.
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It was a perfect match.
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All the bottom ones were control.
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All the top ones were target mice.
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They did that three times, and outside of one mouse bear worked perfectly.
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So they taught their psych aches to target American congressmen, senators, cabinet presidents.
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Do you know of any specifics there as far as?
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Yeah, it didn't work.
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It didn't work because the methodology didn't work.
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And what was wrong with the experiment?
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Everything was done double blind.
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The guy they told the sort of mice,
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by virtue of the fact that he was sorting control from target mice,
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he did that psychically to give them their answer at the end.
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So he was the only psychic functioning person in the whole thing.
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Their psych aches were not.
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Oh, that's fascinating.
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Yes, your selection process can be all law.
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I've used that experiment to give presentations
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that one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in America.
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And I said, the reason you come up with a drug every now and then
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that cost you over a billion dollars and 10 years to manufacture
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and it fails is because you don't believe in psychic functioning.
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And somewhere in your process you have a psychic.
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And they're giving you exactly what you want to see.
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So because you don't buy into it,
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It costs you a ton of money.
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Well, yeah, you get into these because of that kind of epistemological,
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autological beliefs.
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Because if you have, you know, it's like whenever I put out anything around the subject,
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you have to get, well, James Rand, you don't, you should want a million dollars
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if you are able to prove this.
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I can tell you about that too.
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Well, yeah, because you, I mean, we're talking about it right now,
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but if there is an effect inherently than their experiment or effects,
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and there are witness observation effects.
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And so if anybody present comes in, you know, completely trying to be a skeptic,
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it's going to affect the experiment itself.
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The scientific method involves a priori skepticism.
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And so we're talking about come an epistemological paradigm shift,
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not just a scientific paradigm shift.
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Except your perceptions are wrong.
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I'm going to tell you why.
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Because there are things from a scientific standpoint that when we tested them,
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absolutely guarantee that a psychic function will not occur.
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Absolutely guarantee.
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And you can test it a million times and it just will not work.
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How do you, how do you do that?
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How do you turn off the psychic function?
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The sun is above the horizon on the earth from where you're standing.
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You're looking face into the sun.
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You just did a fourfold reduction in your psychic functioning.
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Where you are on the planet at what time and what day has an effect?
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No, I'm not finished yet.
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There's things like that we know to be true.
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Well, I'm not going to go into all of them because there's too many.
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But if they list all of things and hand it to somebody and say,
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if you're doing any three of these, you will not function right.
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And then somebody comes in the door and says, we have a problem.
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We have somebody being tortured to death.
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We need to know where they are.
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You'll violate it all because of the intent.
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Intent overrides everything.
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So what you're saying is correct, but if the intent is an imperative,
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you will overwrite it all.
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So there are exceptions.
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You've got to watch out for that because people who say, no, we did everything to block viewing.
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You can't block it completely.
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Well, you're almost, you know, kind of an extrapolation, but it's almost implying that there's
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an intelligence on the other side, aiding you because if your intent matters at all, like, why
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You know, if it's just this kind of mechanical deterministic scientific process, why should
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you intend to be able to override any of these conditions?
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Well, it's intention, attention, the detail and expectation for outcome.
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If you're the only one dealing with that, it'll work.
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If there's five people involved in that experiment and none of them are focused on that, it may
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fail because there is just too many possibilities for failure as a result because the intent is
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not just your intent.
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It's everybody's intent that's involved in the experiment.
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If it's a post-grad student being paid to act as a monitor, you don't care what happens.
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Automatically, any scientist coming into the room, which is what you're talking about, they
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don't care if it works or not.
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They get to publish, they get famous for their publishing.
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So whether they're successful or unsuccessful is immaterial because they're supposed to
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be indifferent to the outcome.
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But in remote viewing, if you have a scientist, monitor all the people involved, five or six
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people, and you do a remote viewing, and the intent is to save a life, everybody's on
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board and it'll work every single time.
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So there's a lot to this that comes out in the science and the study of it.
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If you don't know the science in detail, it's so easy to fail, screw up all those kinds
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With regard to the amazing Randy, the payoff was not a million dollars.
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It would pay you eventually a million dollars over 30 years.
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What kind of intent is that?
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Secondly, he's the one who picks the target, does the judging and tells you whether you're
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I'd never participate.
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I never participate.
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I've been challenged so many times to do a live remote viewing double blind on camera in
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a prime time way in front of 25 million or more people that anybody else would shy away
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It's been successful every time.
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Well, yeah, you've done more televised remote viewing than anybody in the history.
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And what's interesting to me, the most controlled example of that I ever did was for National
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Geographic in the San Francisco Bay Area.
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They used three different film crews.
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So nobody was talking to anybody else.
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It was protected targets.
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It was randomly selected.
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I was completely blind.
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Ed was completely blind.
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The entire film crew in the room was completely blind.
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And I absolutely nailed it.
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You get a feeling like she had to park somewhere and throw a towel or something or under an
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Like a walkway of some kind under an overpass, open area in the center.
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And there's some kind of a artwork, some kind of a center.
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This artwork is very bizarre.
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Set and gravel, stone.
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And when they put it on television, they said, but you can't tell much from one result.
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They knew when they said that that I had done probably 12,000 of those.
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What were the targets, do you remember?
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The target that I did for them.
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It was the end of the Dumbarton Bridge.
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In fact, I did it the entire remote viewing.
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It was a minute, 30 seconds.
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And I heard the director go, and I said, I guess that's too fast and national television.
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And I said, so what I'm going to do is I'll sit in the front seat.
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You put a camera behind me and I'll tell you how to get to the target.
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Yeah, you clearly are not only precocious yourself, but you're amazing at teaching others.
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And if you understand it, people, unfortunately, people in Stargate program that came after
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the original six were terrified that they couldn't like do it blind.
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I will tell you that if it's not done completely blind and you don't understand all those other
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things about the science, and all probably it will fail more times and it will succeed.
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If you truly participate and do it in agreement with the science, it says, don't do this, do
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Or if you do this, it'll fail.
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If you pay attention to that, you're going to be sevenfold more probable of being successful.
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That seems to be a three line and everything with quote unquote, parapsychology.
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So we're in everything.
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If you take a shortcut, the thing doesn't really work.
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And so we're talking about things that involve our perceptive abilities and our ability to
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kind of render the material world visually and memory wise.
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And our ability to do that is somehow super dependent on going through the right, the
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proper process and being instructed properly and not not circumventing that kind of organically.
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There's perceptions about it.
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Like I give you a major perception that is like crazy.
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People say, okay, it's remote viewing.
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Kind of blind person to it.
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He's been blind for life.
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They're better than most.
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They spend their whole lives imagining what the world outside their skull looks like.
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They've been remote viewing longer than anybody.
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What was the saying goes when one sense goes, others get stronger.
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And if the mind is a sense, then the other thing that I think is very strange is no matter
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what you do to demonstrate it, it always goes back to religion when somebody wants to evaluate
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It's like if it doesn't fit the religious belief.
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The work of the devil.
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Well, I think somehow science has become religious to become dogmatic.
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Oh, it is very dogmatic.
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And the priestly citadel in this case just wears like lab coats.
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The origin story is basically natural selection and Darwin sort of this primitive to progress
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deterministic thing.
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But it's completely religious because there are all these gaps in that story.
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Carl Popper is famous philosophy of science guy.
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I used to call those materialist promissory notes because they're all these gaps.
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And we would just on loan, we would say, we could fill in these gaps with these placeholders
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that actually don't make any sense.
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There are tons of anomalies.
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But you mentioned James Randy.
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He's this magician who would debunk a lot of this stuff, but not she will.
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And kind of a bad faith actor.
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He actually had a contemporary named Ray Heimann who was, you know Ray Heimann.
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So University of Oregon and he came into studying the Stargate data very skeptically.
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He's again, a colleague of James Randys, along with Jessica Utt who is the president of the
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American statistical society.
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And also you hear her speak and she is just completely beyond reproach as far as her integrity.
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She's probably one of the top five statisticians in the world.
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And she goes through all the Stargate data.
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She says, not only is this replicable, the p-values, which is basically the probability
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that you get this stuff off the chart way, way more replicable than psychology for example,
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which we all take pretty seriously.
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And so I think it's important context for the audience.
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But let's get back to the core chronology of Stargate itself.
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So 1972, the CIA starts to get intrigued.
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I've heard from how put off, who's one of the founders of Stargate along with Russell
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Tarrg that another guy named Ingos Juan, who is this artist in New York City.
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The run from the monody center in New York to California.
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He was a gay artist.
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And the way put off speaks about it is that they put a thermistor inside of a Faraday
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And then Ingos Juan was able to affect that with his mind.
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Is that, is there something to that story?
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We did five years of experiments to prove psychokinesis.
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That's affecting something with the mind.
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In five years and a whole lot of millions of dollars, we were never able to protect
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the target from outside effects.
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So you can never say the person did it or trucking a metal plate on Route 5.
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Wouldn't a Faraday chamber do it?
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There's a million things that can make it go up like with the strain gauge.
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There's a million strain gauge events that will occur from a short at the bottom of an
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elevator shaft to half a mile away.
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So there's so many things in reality that will cause it to happen just because somebody
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walks in the room and they look and it happens doesn't mean they did it.
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We got to be really careful about that.
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We took, we took it.
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But if you're blocking the electric field and the magnetic field, what can get in there?
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You can't fully block that.
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No, we put things in a small Faraday cage.
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We floated the whole thing on air.
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We put it in a room that was concrete, 30 inch of stick.
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We grounded everything.
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We did everything you can possibly do.
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It was going off all night long when nobody was even there.
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So if you can't isolate the target and we spent a huge amount of money trying to do that.
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If you could never isolate the target, how can you say it's a human doing it?
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Do you think Ingoswan was a good remote viewer?
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Oh, he's an excellent remote viewer.
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I knew him really well.
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We used to eat dinner together because we were both employed at the same place.
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But what were some instances?
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There's some famous stories I know about with you, but any that come to mind of the
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early days, you know, great successes.
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Oh, well, I can't speak to his successes because he did everything in the lab and not in
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the wild, so to speak.
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You know, where it's a real test.
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Do you want to tell your famous submarine story?
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It was not just me, by the way.
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It was another man named Hartley Trent.
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We both worked the submarine.
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He was a better viewer and I'll ever be.
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You need to understand that.
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Well, that's a lot coming from you.
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There were two people better than me than I will ever be.
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So if you can imagine that.
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Hartley Trent and another guy that I can, I promised him I'd never say his name in public.
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He's a retired colonel.
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He's going to make people more insane to know.
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None survived anyway.
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So one of the things that we had as a target, it was a building, a really huge building.
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You could put like the mall of the Americas and Minneapolis inside that building.
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And it wouldn't touch the walls of the ceiling.
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And it was detached from water.
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It had no relationship to the harbor.
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And it was set off the harbor and it had guards, fences, everything around it.
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And they had railroad tracks going in, carrying in tons of stuff and coming on empty.
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And they couldn't buy a picture of the inside of the building.
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They were offering I think $2 million at one time for one picture of the inside of the
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It was bumped up from a number of different intelligence agencies to the National Security
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Council, which is as high as you can go.
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That's run by the vice president.
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It has representatives from all the other agencies there.
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So I had a letter, part of $79.
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That was like my third target that I ever worked on.
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I don't know which one it was for hardly, but we both worked on it simultaneously.
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We just didn't know each one of us was doing that.
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What I got was a really unique submarine because they were violating one of the major loss
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Putting two submarines together.
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It said it looked like two giant seas coming together.
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And they were using a whole new kind of welding methodology, which were eye intensity
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They were welding with a certain protocol.
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And the hull was done in a way that I can't go into, but it was different.
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And I said it were 20, 20 tubes, but they were all slanted, which was the first submarine
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I ever built with slant tubes.
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Up until then, the Soviet Navy would have to stop to launch, which made them a target.
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So they slanted the tube so it could be launching while it was moving.
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Every rocket on board was a Mer-5, which made a five guideable warheads.
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So when it reached Apex, the warheads could detach and go to different cities.
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Every warhead was like 50 megaton.
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Hiroshima was less than one megaton.
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So you can imagine the damage you would do.
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These are hydrogen bombs.
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It could park a hundred miles off America's coast and eradicate us in 18 minutes.
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It would be nothing we could do.
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And that's really the front line of nuclear war.
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That was the most astounding weapon system ever built.
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And it was the TK089, which was the prototype for that kind of submarine.
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It had many of the attributes that came out in hunt for red October, seven years later,
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a year later, I can't remember now.
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But all these things, and we filed that report.
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We did that in about four hours.
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Filed that report with the National Security Council.
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It was sent back immediately.
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The head analyst was the guy in charge of the whole Russian floor at Langley.
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His name is Robert Gates.
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Oh, Robert Gates, ended up becoming Secretary of Defense.
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He later became the director of CIA and the net in the Secretary of Defense.
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He sent it back, not on top, total fantasy.
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Because they didn't think that submarine could exist.
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And, and, well, was he even connected to water?
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And so, he sent it back.
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And it had been taken to the National Security Council by another admiral by the name of
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And I knew Jake really well.
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And when he brought it back, he said, he was sitting with me in a room.
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And he said, this really upsets you, don't it?
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And I said, no, I don't care.
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He said, no, you care.
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Because there's a red line going up your neck.
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I said, he says, what do you want me to do?
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And I said, take it back.
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And he stood up and I said, wait, I put a paper on top.
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And I said, we'll be launched in 112 days, Jay.
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So on the way, he stopped at the National Reconnaissance Office.
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Because he knew that usually I'm not wrong, especially when I'm pissed.
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So we arranged for 114 days out to have pictures taken of the harbor where it would have to
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At the same time, I attached another note.
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Somebody asked me how big is this submarine?
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Because I was saying this is really a huge submarine.
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And my answer to that was it's 30 feet shy.
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The length of a Soviet aircraft carrier.
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It's all monster, OK?
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How big is that for the audience scale wise?
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I don't know about length.
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That's why I had to say 30 feet shy to the Soviet aircraft carrier.
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If you can imagine something launches jets matched with a submarine.
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I said it was between 60 feet and something else across.
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So he arranged that overhead, take pictures.
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114 days out when the pictures were taken.
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It was the side of the building was gone, trench cut to the harbor.
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And the submarine was tied up to the side of a Soviet aircraft carrier to block view of
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it from the entry to the harbor.
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And this is north of the Arctic Circle.
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So the harbor was frozen a long time, usually every year.
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So they had these two giant icebreakers sitting there.
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They had broken up all the ice in the harbor.
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It was sitting tied up to the aircraft carrier.
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And it actually is 33 feet shy length of the Soviet aircraft carrier.
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So I missed it by three feet.
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All the bay doors were open.
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So we collected more intelligence in four days on that one submarine than the entire Soviet
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It then disappeared.
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No one ever saw it again.
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And they made eight more.
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Nobody ever knew about the other eight.
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But you can assume based on the data we were able to collect, we defeated their weapon
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system because now we could identify it easily in the water, put a hundred killer on it
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and track it everywhere.
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Kind of like possibly global cataclysm saving.
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Intelligence that you provided.
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That's primarily why I got to lead you to America.
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Did Robert Baker ever come back say, hey, Joe, I'm sorry.
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I embarrassed him badly with it.
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And I embarrassed him three more times.
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He won't be in the room with me.
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If he comes in a room like congressional capture or something, I see him.
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I will stand up and go, hey, Bobby, how's he going?
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Buddy, I'll put my hand out.
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Any other examples you could talk about?
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Talk about the other examples.
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But that's the kind of successes we were having.
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Hardly shared in that, but he died, unfortunately, relative we shunned after that.
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Can I add one more story to just the Carter year?
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Rosemary Smith, he's a psychic.
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And I think a TU-22 Russian.
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Russian bear bomber.
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Bear bomber had basically dropped lower than the tree top.
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It had been downed in Africa.
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All of Africa was given as the target to this psychic spy named Rosemary Smith in California.
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And she draws a three square mile little circle right in Zaire.
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And it's basically where they find the TU-22.
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There were three psychics.
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They all drew circles.
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They were all in three different cities.
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I didn't know you could.
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And they brought the maps together.
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There were all three circles in a lot.
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And Jimmy Carter says that was the craziest thing I've ever experienced in that president.
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He was holding our file in his arm when he said it.
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It was a green file with a red stripe.
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It said, it said, grill flame on it.
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And one of the reporters, he was saying, we found the Russian plane.
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We returned everything on it to the Russians.
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What was important about us was carrying two city-busting nukes.
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Nobody was looking for it, especially every terrorist organization in the world.
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Nobody could find it because it disappeared over the Congo, supposedly.
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Harley Trent, in fact, said it was parked on a road right there in the area of Zaire.
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Nobody could understand it.
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What he was saying the whole time, roads in the Congo and Zaire are rivers.
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There are no road roads.
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All roads in Central Africa are rivers.
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And that's what he was saying the whole time.
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He didn't know he was saying that.
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He was more down-analysis.
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But that actually happened.
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And when he said that, our cover name changed.
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We got moved around.
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Everything changed because the president basically outed us on national television.
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That turned on, remember Anderson, the guy who would write articles on it, everything.
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No, there's Anderson.
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He was in, I can't remember, was the Washington Post or, I think it was the Washington Post.
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He started to cover the second slide.
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Yeah, he started covering hunting for information on the psyche-sign program.
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And he would pick up little tidbits and put out articles on it.
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It made it more difficult for us.
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Joe, any other core stories that you can talk about that aren't classified from that time?
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There's a lot of them that I could talk about if I had to cheat with me.
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We had what's called the blue book, the blue briefing books.
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There was two books, two folders with 166 successes in it, which were just like the summary.
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I'll give you an example of another one.
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The MX missile program.
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They were going to produce another 30,000 miles of railroad tracks.
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They were going to have hundreds of cargo cars, railroad cars.
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They would all be identical right down to the serial numbers on the locks.
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Only one in 20 would have an actual launcher in it with an ICBM.
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And once a week, they'd shift them all around so no one would ever know where the actual
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And that would make mutual shared destruction more important.
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It's kind of like a shell game.
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Yeah, like a shell game.
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It's based on the old shell game, but with much higher stakes, the name of the game is
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It's object to hide our newest ICBMs from the enemy, ensuring their survivability.
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The enemy will know where a missile could be, just as we know where the peak could be,
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but not where it is for sure.
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Instead of three shells, each MX missile will be hidden in any one of 23 protective
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And what we did is we notified, we wrote a white paper, it's got a white paper, one paragraph.
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We sent it to the situation room in the White House and said, won't work.
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Because we can tell you where it is every time.
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They actually tested that for a year.
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They had an actual live news and possible storage areas for it.
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And once a week, they moved it.
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And every time they moved it, we told them where it was.
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As a result, they canceled the MX missile program, which ticked the Air Force off,
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mightily, because they were put in charge of it.
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It was a hundred billion dollar project.
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We saved the government a hundred billion dollars.
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I have a letter in my file.
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I know Dr. May has one in his from Senator Cohen thanking us for saving a hundred billion
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But would the Soviets have figured it out, given that they had sort of some core deficiencies
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in their own psych expires?
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They still could have figured it out, even with the flaw.
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I mean, it's like, who knows?
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And that's one of the problems.
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I got brought into the project in October of 78.
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But July of 79, we knew there was no defense against remote killing.
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So for the next 20 something years and millions and millions of dollars, we tried to develop
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a defense against it.
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There still is no defense against remote killing.
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It fails on its own enough.
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I mean, 40% of the time it just doesn't work.
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But all intelligence modalities fail.
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So it's not inferior to other ones.
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And when I hear that the program was sunsetted because it only works 60% of the time, that
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And as well as the rationale that there's no defense against it.
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But if it's offensively useful, why would you use it, especially if it's stopping, you
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know, mutually assured destruction, as it has.
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At least 160 times probably more because that was early on in the program.
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My area of expertise was ICBM sites.
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Big, large areas were rockets were in the ground.
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But you could see the shielding over them.
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So that was easy to see with overhead pictures.
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But when I hear stuff like that, there has to be a program now.
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If that's what the pictures were perfect.
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And I even asked them once, why am I remote viewing something?
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You can take perfect pictures of.
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And they said, here's the thing.
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We draw the whole place.
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So when we take a picture, we can only get the surface.
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We match the surface against your drawing.
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And if you're 80% correct, we can assume you're 80% correct about what's under the ground.
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And we can retarget those areas with different technology to prove it.
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So that's the value of remote viewing.
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It can be used a million different ways.
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If the incremental value is understanding on a more granular level, what stockpiles are
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underground, how would that ever get sunsetted and taken out of government?
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It gets sunsetted because a vast majority of senators and congressmen caught dead standing
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next to a remote viewing psychic would never get reelected because it was used as a weapon
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against them and the re-election.
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I think if I'm the government and I'm hearing these things, I would immediately put a boatload
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of money towards remote viewing.
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I'm just telling you, I'm telling you the reality.
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Because of a stigma.
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We were basically super supported by five presidents.
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We were super supported by senators and congressmen who could not be hurt like Senator Cohen,
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These senators had been in Congress so long and were so powerful.
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They're up here and they could say, yeah, I use those guys and nobody could say that's
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They'd still get reelected.
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At the very bottom, agents in the field who came and asked for help, hundreds of lives
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They knew us intimately.
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They loved us because of what the data was that we could give them as early morning.
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They really needed us.
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It's the bureaucrats in the middle who are afraid for their job, afraid to get reelected.
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The guys in the middle are the guys who have to justify and write up why you need so many
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tanks and why you have to spend the money on it.
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Some people are going and starting to ask, well, if you can just walk in and play
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in a charge and blow something up, why do you need to tank if remote viewing tells you
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where to put the explosive?
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It's always the middling bureaucrats that have the most perverse incentives.
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There's this concept, Boundmulls Cost Disease, where the objective of a bureaucracy is just
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to extend the bureaucracy.
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It's not to do anything more efficiently, actually.
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That's the opposite.
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The other part of it is even worse.
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It's the bureaucrat politician in the middle that actually starts the war.
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It has no skin in the game.
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In his kids and family will never be affected by it.
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What's wrong with that picture?
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During the Vietnam War, I was brought TDI, temporary duty to the Pentagon because
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the demonstrators were throwing balloons full of blood and stuff on military going in
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and out of the front entry of the Pentagon.
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My job was to capture some kid that was throwing stuff, bring them in, fingerprint them, tell
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them what was going to happen to them and then release them, scare them into not doing
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I grab up three or four and I cuff them together in a string and I take them onto the bridge
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where nobody could see.
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I know they thought I'm going to be beaten up down here.
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I take them down and I say, don't panic.
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I'm not going to do anything to hurt you.
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You need to understand this.
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We don't start wars in the Pentagon.
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We're forced to finish them.
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You want to stop this war who do the other end of the mall and hit the guys in the suits
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I release them and they run away.
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They said, got tamers all over the front of the Pentagon.
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They see me taking these kids under there and then they're running away.
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My three-month TDY was cut to two weeks and I was sent to Europe.
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I can understand why they didn't want to go to Vietnam.
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It wasn't righteous.
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When I was there, I could tell you it wasn't righteous.
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You have, I mean, just look at the Pentagon papers and you look at how cynical the discussions
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around the Vietnam War were at the highest levels in the Pentagon and Oval Office.
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I have seen two letters and I did my last college course to get my degree was on the politics
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of the Vietnam War at the end.
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I saw a letter from Kissinger to President Nixon saying, I'm not going back over there
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to negotiate for any more prisoners because I hate those brown people.
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I don't like their food.
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I don't like their smell.
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I don't want to be there anymore.
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And Nixon said to him, you don't have to because anybody in Laos or Cambodia, we said,
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should never be there in the first place so we don't have to worry about them.
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All the enlisted captured in Vietnam were all taken to Tiger Cages in Laos and Cambodia.
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They all died there because they were written off.
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Yeah, Kissinger was kind of the ultimate, I don't know, cynic.
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He felt it was like the world was a sandbox.
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He actually stayed at Harvard under Tom Shelling and Tom Shelling in a bunch of his classmates.
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They're all like, tried to do an intervention at the White House.
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And they're like, what are you doing, man?
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What's gotten into you?
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I think the whole thing, there's all based on this domino theory, which was I think a
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misreading of George Kenan's long telegram.
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At the end of the Second World War, you know, he'll see men fought for us against Japanese
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His viet men did that.
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His viet men and he were never communist.
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They were nationalist, okay?
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When he war ended, they did that by the way because John Donovan delivered a very rare
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butterfly collection to him, a parachuting end with a tape to his chest.
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He started the, or was the main progenitor of the OSS time?
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A wild build on him.
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Yeah, wild build on him.
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He talked to a few men and fighting for us.
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And so the Vietnamese fought for us during the whole war.
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At the end of the war, Ho Chi Minh said an impassioned letter to our president.
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And what he said in the letter is that here's a copy of our national constitution.
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It was identical to ours.
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He had quotes, direct quotes from Jefferson.
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I mean, it was, it was exactly like a lot of them.
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They were totally allied with us.
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It was against the French.
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What he wanted was, please do not allow the French to come back to claim their Indochina
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The French, on the other hand, said, oh, you're starting NATO?
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Well, we're not going to be a member unless you support us in our quest to go back to
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So the president made a decision.
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NATO was more important than Vietnam.
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And I think Ho Chi Minh felt like wild build on him and had saved him.
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And then he felt a real collegiality there.
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And then yeah, things just took a, took a weird turn in it.
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And I think that was maybe one of the primary reasons why the CIA then went into South Vietnam
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and tried to consolidate Vietnam into their version of the single country.
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What you can't do, you cannot enter a foreign country and try to run it.
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Yeah, the nation building thing doesn't work.
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And it gets a misunderstanding of history or belies rather, you know, with Vietnam, Afghanistan,
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you have certain territories that whether it's China, vis-a-vis, you know, Vietnam,
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where the Russians and the British, vis-a-vis Afghanistan, you're not going to win.
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Afghanistan will never capitulate anybody.
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The amount of, the amount of dialects, how tough the people are.
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The, the, the nooks and crannies, they know how to hide in that you're not familiar with.
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You're just screwed at the outset.
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Doesn't matter how much manpower, resources you have.
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And so there's a guy that lives just across border in Pakistan.
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He's got a big, a big point of, uh, granted rocks sticking up out of his floor.
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He makes a case out of old pieces of aircraft.
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Camers it out with a open fire on that granite rock and they work.
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Now they're not very accurate, but they never jam and they work.
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You can back the truck over them.
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Well, that says it all.
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That says it all right, too.
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So, I want to get into some weirder stuff because you, I mean, you've made headlines for
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remote viewing Mars, for example.
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It's a COD target, by the way.
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So, explain the context.
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Well, how is that a DOD target?
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Well, one of the things that they found out is that I was having spontaneous out of bodies
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since my near death experience in 1970.
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I've had multiple near death experiences, but that one was really profound.
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Was this falling out of the helicopter?
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This was, uh, being poisoned.
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It was delivered to a clinic in Passale, Germany from Austria.
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And I had not had a heartbeat for almost 40 minutes.
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I'm not going to tell you that my heart wasn't beating for 40 minutes.
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It could have been beating once every five minutes.
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But it was enough to keep me alive.
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When I got to the clinic, the doctor there saved my life, basically.
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I got transfusions, all bunch of stuff.
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But I was comatose for 20-something hours.
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Then I suddenly sat up.
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I became conscious and I sat up.
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And the German patient, the room with me looked at me and ran out of the room.
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He went out like a sculled duck.
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I was looked at him and I said, God's the way light.
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So chill out the door.
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I found out later when I looked at him.
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He said, God's a weight light.
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God is a weight light.
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And he looked at me and freaked right out of the door.
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Later, he said, when I looked at him, my eyes had turned crystal blue and I had fire
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That's what he said.
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So the doctor came in and I said to the doctor, I smiled and I said, I'm still here.
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You know, God's a weight light.
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Well, he said, he to me, I went back to sleep on the way that drive into Munich.
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They told me to mention Munich Germany, put me in a rest home.
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That's when they told my wife, my first wife, that I was still alive for almost a week.
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I thought I was dead.
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So do you remember, I mean, you're coming out of this experience saying, God is a white
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Do you remember that as being sort of a conversion experience?
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Did he feel a sense of difference?
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It was so profound, I just can't tell you.
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When it happened, I was eating, getting ready to eat a dinner with my wife who they had
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We're going to stay a weekend in this guest house.
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She was going back to quarters and I was going back to work.
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I can't tell you what I was doing, but I was going back to work.
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And the guy that brought her was my friend that worked for me.
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So he brought her there.
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He was going to leave them.
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We talked him into staying and having dinner with us.
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And then he was going to leave.
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We were in a state of a couple days.
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Well, we had before dinner drinks.
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Well, I drank part of the drink.
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I started getting feeling like I was going to projectile vomit.
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I didn't want to be in the restaurant doing it.
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So I said, excuse me.
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And I had it for the door.
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When I hit the door, I was a swinging glass door.
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When I hit it with my hand, it was like somebody snapped their fingers.
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And I was standing outside on a cobblestone road with my hands out like this.
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It was a soft summer range.
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And the rain was going through my palms.
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And I went, what the hell?
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And I looked up and there was this figure half in and half out of the door.
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So I drifted over there.
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And as I was, that should have been a good way, by the way.
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I drifted over there.
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As I was going over, my friend came out, pulled me up in his lap.
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Back then, there was no such thing as CPR.
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So he started punching me in the chair and yelling at me.
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You know, and every time he hit me in the chest, I was in my body in a appreciating pain,
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looking up at his face.
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And I was trying to say, stop.
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And about the time I get to stop, I'd be back standing on the cobblestone, watching.
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This happened like four or five times.
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And then I stayed out.
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My wife dropped to the pavement with me.
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And then he showed up with my car and put me fireman's carry into the back seat.
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It was a little bug, a Volkswagen bug.
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And I was like, whoa, wait a minute.
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So I'm like zipping along beside the car.
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Back then, they had to go through two checkpoints, Austria to Germany, which meant running the
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checkpoint, which they did.
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And drove a little ways, then went out and then back in again, because they had to get
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to this city called Pesau, which is down in the southern tip of the barrier.
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And he got me to a clinic.
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And when they got there, it was just getting dark.
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Just getting dark meant it was around 7.58 o'clock.
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He picked me out of the car or fireman's carry.
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And he carried me to the door of the clinic.
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And I'm standing there watching all this.
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And I'm like, well, that's weird.
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Why would they lock the door?
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He had to be on dreaming.
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And he started kicking the glass door.
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And the inner door opened and the doctor came out with the keys.
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What I didn't know is in Germany, at 8 o'clock, they lock all the doors.
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So you go to an emergency room or clinic, you get in by ringing a bell.
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Well, he had me in a fireman's carry.
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So he's kicking the door of this foot.
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When the doctor came out, he was in a wheelchair.
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I went, oh, man, it's getting better every minute.
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Why would a doctor be in a wheelchair?
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Well, it turns out he was partially retired and the cell he made extra money.
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He was the one with a nurse at the clinic.
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So I watched him carry me in.
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He dumped me on this table in the emergency area.
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Big bright lights overhead.
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And they started cutting my clothing off and sticking tubes at me and whatnot.
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I started drifting away from the table.
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And I felt heat on the back of my neck.
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And I thought, this must be the light on the bright light.
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So I'm bumping up against.
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And when I turned around to look, I was enveloped in this dreamy intense white light.
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It was like perfect.
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Everything went away in terms of threat.
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I'm floating in this white light and I could see perfectly.
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I thought at first, this is really bright, but it didn't hurt my eyes.
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And I thought, this is it.
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This is like where I want to be.
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And this voice in my head said, you can't stay.
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You have to go back.
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And I started looking for something to hold onto.
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I didn't want to leave.
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That's why I second snap of the fingers and I sat up and looked at the German patient
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So it was very profound.
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I stopped carrying your gun.
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Nobody would work with me.
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I thought if they got in trouble, I couldn't do anything.
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And did it turn you more into a pacifist or something?
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There was something, I took martial arts from age 14 to a couple of years ago, a few years ago.
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And so I, I'm a meat of guns.
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I can defend myself pretty well unless they have a gun.
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But if they have a gun, your chances of defending yourself are minimal anyway.
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Anyway, I just stopped.
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Didn't want to hurt anybody.
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It turns out, since nobody would work with me, I had to work alone.
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And working alone, everybody was terrified of doing that.
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Because dying is so what?
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So that's just changed your outlook to wholesale since then about life, death and...
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You can't cease to exist.
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So what are you worried about?
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And it sounds like non-existence, at least in your case, seemed pretty loving and gentle.
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The other problem involved here is the fact that you become extremely depressed,
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And that happened with you.
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Yeah, I was for six months.
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I thought probably 15 ways to take your mind off.
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Isn't it comforting though, knowing death.
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Oh, it's very comforting.
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That's always kind of the backdrop.
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That's not how you think about it.
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I'm stuck in this primitive, backwards, back alley, back, you know.
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Yeah, progressive place where nobody understands.
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So you don't want to be here anymore.
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And so one night, I'm asleep and I was awake in the middle of night by an entity that
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snatched me out of my body and speech slapped the crap out of me.
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It's worth what it is.
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What the entity was saying, and I couldn't tell it was male, female, or what it was, it
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was saying, what are you?
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You know, you know what's going to happen when you do eventually die.
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Why aren't you like enjoying this place, using this place, teaching people in this place?
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Seems like a pretty good entity giving you some tough love.
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Yeah, he was trying to get me to wake up.
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Do you, any visuals on the entity or just, uh, voice on unbodied voice?
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And in me trying to argue and getting slapped down for it.
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And so when I woke up that morning, I was like totally different.
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It was like, oh yeah, okay.
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I don't care anymore.
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So everywhere I went, I did my job best I could.
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I did my job, usually alone, until I met this colonel who said, when they came to me,
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I could solidate it all the intelligence people into one place in Ausburg, Germany.
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It was a 30,000 square foot building.
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I met this one colonel and he said, I need somebody who really understands physical
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And I said, I'm your guy.
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And he said, I'm going to send you to this place and I want you to test it.
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I was matched up with another guy.
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And he and I, I'm not going to say his name because I don't think it's fair without asking
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But he and I broke in to this 30,000 square foot facility.
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And I was a facility.
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I was, it's a consolidated intelligence place.
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It had German equivalent to the CIA, French equivalent, CIA British equivalent to CIA, our
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CIA Army Navy Air Force.
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Everybody was in this building in Europe.
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Really a consolidated headquarters.
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So, okay, you went of intelligence.
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Yeah, kind of like that.
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You say what country it was in?
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It was in Ausburg, Germany.
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I was the detractor.
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I was the guy who got caught going over the fence.
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What they didn't know was while they were capturing me, he was going over the other
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The MPs are very unrelenting when they capture something like that because I had to wait
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for exactly an hour watching their clock on the wall while they were trying to get me
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to tell them who I was, where I was from, what I was doing.
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And I just resisted until that time and at that time, I identified myself and said,
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I'm going to be there in your commander in Europe because you guys have been screwing
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But why were you assigned to this in the first place?
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They were testing the security of the building.
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So they were testing vulnerabilities to strengthen them.
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So the guy came in and he realized who I was and he was very upset because he got written
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up because that's when I told him, my partner has been in your building for over an hour.
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And he planted these cards, clip on cards, said, bomb all over the building.
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And they didn't stop him.
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They didn't question him.
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They didn't do anything.
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He was going in and out of places.
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And he was wearing somebody else's badge.
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He took off their coat.
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So the security was obviously lax.
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For a facility housing.
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That's when we got moved in there and we were physical security for the building from
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And there were a lot of weaknesses and we toughened it up and we found out there were
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three people going in and out with thick badges.
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And I mean, it was it was terrible.
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And but this commander kept getting written up.
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And so he really didn't like me much.
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And so I spent a long time overseas working in these things.
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So when I finally came back, the general general ordered me back to the headquarters.
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And I'd always said, not I'm not going back to headquarters.
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That's a bunch of paper posters.
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I've been doing a real job overseas all this time.
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So I called this friend of mine and the pinning guy and I said, can you get me reassigned?
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He said, let me check.
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And he came back and he said, man, you're in trouble.
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You go into the headquarters.
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And I said, no, I don't want to go to the headquarters.
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Give me something else.
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I don't care what it is.
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This is like a three star.
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You're saying you're coming to my headquarters and I only choice here.
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So I said, what's my A-lat and D-lat scores?
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That's your scores for competence for the language.
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Oh, you maxed those.
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I said, oh, that's great.
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So now I'm qualified for any language on the planet.
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I said, what's the highest language need in the US Army?
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He said, Chinese Mandarin.
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I said, OK, I want to learn to read it, write it, speak it.
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Holy cow, man, that's two years at Monterey immersed.
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And I said, I'll take it.
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So he cut me orders.
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And Monterey is the CIA language school, right?
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It's all in the military.
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Everybody in the government needs to speak a language fluently.
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It's two years and two months there from Mandarin to read it, write it, speak it.
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And the day you start, you can no longer use English.
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That's how you want it.
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So I got there on a Saturday.
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I was unpacking my bags.
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And the orderly came in and said, there's some general on the phone.
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So I went down to the orderly room and I answered the phone.
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And he said, do you know who I am?
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He told me his name.
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His name was General Roya.
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Why are you at my headquarters?
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And I said, oh, well, the army decided they need me to speak Mandarin.
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You will be in my office at 9 o'clock, morning and full dress uniform.
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And don't let the screen door hitch in the butt.
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Slam the phone down.
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Now that's on the phone receiver.
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The orderly, all across the room said, that's sound like an order to me.
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You could hear it everywhere.
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And so I packed my bags and went to that course.
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So when I got there, they put me in the officer's course.
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It was like an understanding because I was in E7, it's our first class.
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Money morning, I showed up in his office, reported as I was supposed to at 9 o'clock in the
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And all these people came to the office and he said, I'm going to make you a worn officer.
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I went, wow, because I was always complaining because I could never get my warrant, pack it
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Well, he made that decision.
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So they pin weren't bars on me.
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And he said, I'm putting you in charge of your military occupation, especially for the
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And I said, I can't do the job.
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And I said, I can't do the job.
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There's 28 chief worn officers that will be working for a worn officer.
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They're not going to wait.
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You know, there's a year probation as a worn officer.
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He said, he turned to the secretary.
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He says, can I have promoting?
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He said, you do anything you want, General.
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He said, take those pins off.
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He made me a chief warrant right there.
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So he says, I can't get them to do what you told.
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But you're in charge.
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Your desk is in the office above mine.
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So that's why I was working when he found out that he had a thing, this thing called
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a double wish starting at Fort Meade.
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And he was nervous about it because you didn't understand it.
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He called it a hinky project.
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So he said, I want you to go to Stanford Research Institute and find out all you can about
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And then come back and brief me.
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And that's when I went and did these six remote feelings.
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And he was just doing it on behalf of this job.
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Yeah, I was just collecting information.
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You were collecting information.
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And then he ended up actually a part of the program.
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And then when I came back, he said, I went down his office and my desk was empty.
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All my stuff was gone.
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I said, what happened?
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He said, I'm going to have to assign you to Fort Meade for this project.
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And it is like, please don't do that.
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Joe, what happened on Mars a million years ago?
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What did it look like?
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Set the scene for us.
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Well, going back to that, DOD decided since I had spontaneous out of bodies that I should
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try to learn how to control to see whether I could collect intelligence doing that too.
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So they hired Bob Monroe to help me with that.
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Because he's the guy, journey's out of the body guy.
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So they actually paid him to train me.
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So every Thursday night, I would leave right after I finished the remote feelings.
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I would drive them down to the Institute here in the town.
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I get there about 11.
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And then early in the morning on Friday, I would start working in the lab with Bob.
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And he worked there Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
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And I go to bed Sunday night and I get up at 4 a.m.
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Or whatever and drive back to Fort Meade and do remote viewing.
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So I did that for a long time, many months.
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And so I was being trained in that when I was taking a nap.
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It was a Saturday evening.
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I've been working for two days with Bob.
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So he was doing some kind of work in the lab and I was taking a nap in the isolation chamber
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He said, I have some people here from DOD.
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They brought a target.
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And I said, oh, really?
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He said, yeah, I have the envelope in my shirt pocket.
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He gave me a seal envelope.
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He full over putting a shirt pocket.
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And I have a card here with GPS locations.
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I'll read them to you and you tell me what's there.
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So the first GPS location you read was a huge, huge permit.
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And I said, right away, I said, this must be a new discovery because it's huge.
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It's way bigger than the one I gave up.
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And it's got monster rooms inside, which is not making any sense to me at all.
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Just report on what you're seeing.
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I went through six of the seven targets and whatever was there, I described it.
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And it turns out everything I described was there.
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And I came out of there.
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I couldn't do the seventh because I was exhausted.
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And at the end, I started getting an image of human beings that were trapped in a place
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where the atmosphere was turning bad.
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I couldn't forget that out.
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So I said to Bob, I said, the sun looks really weird.
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He said, I don't care about the sun.
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Just tell me what's going on.
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So I said, evidently, there's some kind of calamity here.
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So I started thinking maybe this is a future target.
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But the whole time I thought I was on Earth and it was a new discovery.
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So I came out of there and I said, it's obvious that these people are dying for some reason.
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They're just really big people.
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They're like twice our size, 12 feet tall.
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But they're just like us.
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And they're dying in these pyramidal places are like hibernation chambers.
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They're trying to survive until somebody comes to save them.
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And I said, what is this target?
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It's just like a new discovery or something.
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And the guy from DOD said, Bob Monroe has the target in his pocket.
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So I pulled it out of my shirt pocket, opened it up and said, Mars, 1 million BC, which made
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And I'll tell you why.
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I hate doing a target where I cannot prove ground truth.
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Because then I don't know if I'm real or I'm inventing it.
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It doesn't do me any good.
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And I can't actually sit there and say, this is exactly 100% correct.
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Yeah, unfulsifiable, but unprovable.
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So it made me angry.
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So I said, give me the card.
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I took the card and the envelope, put it in my shirt pocket.
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And I said, next time I'm at JPL, Jeff Repulsion Lab in California, I'm going to find out
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whether they have negatives of these locations and get them.
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And Bob said, I'll never, never give that.
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And I said, they're damn well better because we pay for all those pictures with our taxes.
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They can't classify those pictures because they're in space.
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So next time I was in California, I went to JPL and they have a big counter where you
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go in and buy a picture of the space.
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So I went up to counter and the guy said, how can I help you?
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And I said, I have this card here and I get it on.
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And he looked at it and I said, I'd like to see the four by four negatives for those
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locations on that card.
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Anyway, this is the old city on Mars.
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We turned around and pulled a drawer and gave me a packet at all the negatives inside.
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So they're in my book line trade.
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So what are the negatives show?
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It shows exactly what I described.
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It shows a big pyramid.
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It shows an old Ford.
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I'll get a copy of my book downstairs bringing up the show.
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That's not the coolest thing.
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That's so cool though.
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You're saying that you've remote viewed a pyramid on Mars a million years ago and we
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found how do we, how do we have imagery of that?
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Oh, they're mapping Mars.
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But that's not the coolest thing.
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So it's, it's negative images of those locations now on Mars.
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And you, and you can see the pyramids.
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And they're, they're heavily worn.
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They're just much damaged to them.
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But it's clear they're pyramids.
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They look like they were manned.
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Why did they look like they're not?
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There's a, while giving the reason why I know they're manned.
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There's an impact crater.
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And on the side, the impact crater is a triangular piece of land.
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That obviously has been constructed there.
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And the center of that is a four-sided pyramid.
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Now, here's the cool part.
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You know the, the place of the camera, which is circling Mars.
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You know exactly where it is when it took that picture.
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You know where the sun is in relationship.
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So you know by the shadow, you can compute the size of the impact crater.
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And it's sides by the shadow, the sides.
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The side shadow in this particular case was a quarter of an inch.
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That quarter of an inch represents about 3000 feet.
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So the impact crater walls are 3000 feet high.
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That four-sided pyramid on that little triangle piece of land on the edge of the impact crater.
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And it's got a shadow two and a half inches long.
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Now tell me how tall it is.
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That's not a pyramid.
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And it's thousands of feet tall.
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And I actually asked a guy at JPL.
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I went, many times, did you?
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I said, what the hell is that?
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You know, I don't know.
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I just guessed as it grew there and I said, you're out your mind.
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If it was an impact crater that occurred after it was there, it had a ball in it away.
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I think it was from it out.
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It was put there after the impact crater.
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It was, the shard was put there after the impact crater by his.
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And what would the, I mean, trying to think like what the purpose of the shard would be?
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Do you have images of that?
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But here's the thing.
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I went out of my way to get a hold of other negatives.
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And each negative is probably 50 by 50 miles on Mars.
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So you have to look at that negatives over a long period of time, line by line by line.
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I have probably some learning about 60 something photographs of things on Mars that are clearly
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Before we look at the evidence that Joe has, let's set the scene here on the possibilities
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A question with a long history and numerous theories.
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More than a hundred years ago, American astronomer Percival Lowell suggested that certain
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features that were being observed on Mars were not natural.
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Back then, in the late 19th century, the idea that Mars had seasons, vegetation, flowing
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water, even large rivers was kind of popular.
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We had to speculate because we had no way of knowing otherwise.
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A lot of this speculation was fueled by dark areas in a regular-looking patterns observed
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But Lowell went as far as to claim that parts of these dark areas and patterns were purposefully
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built irrigation systems designed by a Martian civilization.
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These theories were contested well into the 20th century, but the question of trees, lakes,
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and Martians was eventually put to rest when the Mariner-Four Space Probe photographed the
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planet up close in 1965.
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These photos revealed an inactive planet, barren, and apparently lifeless.
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Although, there seemed to be clear evidence of water having existed in the past, with extinct
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riverbeds and basin-like formations.
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And therefore the question remained, if there was no sign of life currently visible on
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the planet today, could it still have existed in the past, perhaps due to the presence of
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a technologically advanced civilization?
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In the mid-1970s, the Viking orbiters sent back an image that caused quite a stir.
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A mile-long structure that resembled a human face staring out into space, the infamous
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This structure provoked a lot of speculation for more than 20 years, but eventually higher
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resolution images seemingly put that question to bed, at least for most.
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The established narrative was that this was all just a case of peridolia.
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The same psychological effect that makes us see familiar shapes in the clouds.
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Nothing but some shadows and angles of light.
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Questioning this interpretation became synonymous with quackery and conspiracy.
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The region of Mars that the face is located on is called Sidonia.
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Some researchers believe that the face is just one part of a larger set of structures
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in this region that also demonstrate unnatural features.
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Perhaps even displaying specific design characteristics that suggest geometric patterns and intentional
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positioning like stellar alignments.
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They claim that Sidonia contains multiple pyramids, basically the remnants of a city all eroded
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These formations appear to be aligned in highly unlikely ways, raising the question of whether
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their placement is entirely random.
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But it wasn't just the region of Sidonia.
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In the Elysium area, at the north, probes photographed huge pyramids, some 500 meters high,
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some with four sides, just like the great pyramids of Giza.
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And near Mars's South Pole, Mariner 9 took pictures of what looked like ancient ruins.
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These ancient ruins were even informally dubbed by their team as the Inkin city, elsewhere
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vast areas of monolithic structures, tunnels, even other faces, seemed to defy explanations
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that they came from only natural processes.
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To be clear, I'm not at all denying that many of these features could just be explained
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by basic Mars geology.
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But take this thought experiment.
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If similar structures and patterns were imaged on Earth, using modern techniques like
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Presuming they had man-made origins wouldn't be so controversial at all.
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So why does the same conversation seem totally off limits when it comes to Mars?
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What if these structures are ancient?
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What if their millions, even billions, of years old?
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This raises another question, are we seeing all the data?
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We must trust that organizations like NASA are sharing these images in data transparently.
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But this has been questioned in the past.
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For instance, Stanley McDaniel, a professor emeritus at Sonoma State University, wrote a
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200-page book about NASA's failure to properly investigate the structures on Mars.
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In questioning why that was the case, Richard Houghlin made similar claims and admittedly
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his very controversial book, Dark Mission, The Secret History of NASA.
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Which brings us to the most recent chapter in this story.
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In 2001, the Mars Global Survey captured an image that has only just made its way onto
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the mainstream, causing a stir on X and gaining some high profile attention.
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The image shows a square structure with clear right angles, possibly spanning several
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kilometers per side.
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The geometry suggests a high potential that this could be an engineered structure.
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Of course, the square on Mars is being explained away by skeptics as a natural geological structure.
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And it might be, but the point really is that we don't know.
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Moreover, we've only imaged a tiny fraction of the Martian surface in significant detail.
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And we've physically explored only very small portions through robotic envoys, so we don't
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know what we don't know.
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And yet, despite this, the idea that there could be artificial structures on Mars is given
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Now here's the thing.
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If you suggest that life could exist in some basic microscopic form on Mars, even right
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now, perhaps under the surface or in some particular unexplored zone, I think that even
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the professional skeptic would accept that as a possibility.
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Even President Trump openly floated the idea that life once existed or still exists on
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There's no reason not to think that Mars and all these planets don't have life, you know.
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And there is plenty of evidence to suggest this to be a distinct possibility.
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In 2003, methane was detected in the Martian atmosphere.
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In organic molecule, usually seen as a marker of life.
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Its source is still debated.
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But it could be that microbial life exists somewhere below the surface of Mars.
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In 2015, researchers stunned the world when they claimed to have finally found definitive
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evidence of salty liquid water flowing on the surface of Mars in the summer months.
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Moving water has long been considered a crucial marker for the possibility of evolution to occur
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like it did on Earth.
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Another presumption was that life could not have survived on the surface of Mars because
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it's always lacked a global magnetic field or a magnetosphere.
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However, in the last couple of decades, evidence has been gathered to suggest that Mars did
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have this protective layer.
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And it was probably stripped away sometime in the distant past.
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This means that there could have been a long period of time, where Mars had rivers, lakes,
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perhaps even oceans, all protected by a functioning magnetosphere.
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They've even got our hands on physical evidence from Mars to investigate.
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In 1984, scientists found a Martian meteorite in Antarctica.
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It was codenamed ALH84001.
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When the meteorite was examined, they discovered microscopic structures that resembled fossilized
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The discovery even prompted President Clinton to make an official televised announcement
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on the possible discovery of life on Mars.
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Today, rock 84001 speaks to us across all those millions of years and millions of miles.
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It speaks to the possibility of life.
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So from this fascinating but orthodox scientific viewpoint, we can look at numerous pieces
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of evidence, even the evidence of what you see around you on Earth.
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That if life is possible on Mars even today, the likelihood that it could produce complex,
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and technologically capable life forms in the past should not really be that controversial.
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Especially when we consider how much more there is to find out about our most similar,
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But on the other side of the spectrum of orthodox theories and controversy, there have been
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some more interesting claims.
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For instance, in 2020, Haim Eshid, the head of Israel's space program for nearly 30 years
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and three-time recipient of the Israel Security Award, made a shocking statement.
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He claimed that the United States and other nations have had direct contact with a galactic
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federation, some kind of coalition of alien races that have interacted with us for years.
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According to Eshid, these beings have instructed governments not to disclose knowledge of this
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to the rest of the population yet because they want to avoid mass hysteria.
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He went even further, however, suggesting that American astronauts are actually working
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alongside these extraterrestrials in an underground base on Mars.
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Now of course, we can't confirm or deny this.
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But those interested in ufology will know that this isn't the first time that claims
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of meetings or secret treaties with extraterrestrials of surface.
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Something slightly more grounded is a theory suggested by researchers like Graham Hancock.
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He states in the Mars mystery that there could be some connection between the symbolism
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of these eroded monoliths in a place like Sedonia and the ancient civilizations of Earth.
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At this point, who knows?
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There are a lot of possibilities on the table.
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Even the question of what happened to Mars to create this seemingly lifeless place is
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full of fascinating theories.
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Over the last decade or so, Dr. John Brandenburg, a plasmophysicist and propulsion scientist,
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has found evidence to support his hypothesis that planetary-wide catastrophic events may
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have occurred on Mars.
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His theory suggests that high concentrations of particular elements created only via rapid
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processes like in thermonuclear explosions may have been caused by a nuclear war.
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On Mars, perhaps a lesson for us here, but also maybe the reason we are only able to
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see the remnants of our neighbor's lost civilization if it existed at all.
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But here's something to ponder.
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When our guest, Joe McMonigal, was tasked with remote viewing Mars, the coordinates
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and time period were chosen for him.
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The full transcript of the session has been declassified you can read it for yourself.
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Now you have to ask yourself, was this just a random exercise?
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Or were those specific geographic coordinates already known to be significant?
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And who were the parties who requested the information that had provided the coordinates
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to the top remote viewer in the country?
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It seems we will always have questions about Mars until we get there to see it for ourselves.
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Because for as long as humans have watched this bright red wanderer move across the
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night sky, they've always asked themselves, what's happening there?
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Actually there's a reason we keep being drawn to it because something else is going on
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or it was going on in the past.
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This is a bone on Mars, okay?
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That's on Mars, that's a bone.
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Yeah, certainly in the stone.
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That does not look like a stone and you got these from JPL?
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Come right off a negative of Mars in the mapping series.
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These little buildings, one there, one there, here's three in a row.
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Yeah, here's a building over here.
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Is it a picture from a rover or is it a picture from a telescope?
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It's a picture from a mapping, here's a curly cube, a curly cube.
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It's a picture from a mapping satellite.
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That's a satellite making maps of Mars.
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That is a non-natural edge.
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You don't get a 30 mile edge like that.
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That's a sheer cliff.
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Now I'll show you where it comes from.
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That's just a deep chasm.
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It's a perfectly straight edge.
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It comes out of right here and goes straight as an arrow all the way crossing and fades into
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Here's a cavern and it's got all this like wire stuff on the top.
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So that's a subterranean cavern?
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That's a subterranean cavern.
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You cannot see into it, but it's very deep.
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Here's the interesting part.
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When we first caught this on Mars, it was a bright red light right here.
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That's gone out since we caught it.
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I actually have a photo of the light.
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What do you think the light was?
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Well that almost implies that there's something there now.
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Let me show you something else.
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So there are people at JPL who definitively think.
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That's three feet long and they're bigger round.
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There's buttons on it and a rotating thing here.
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That was taken on Mars.
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That's laying on Mars, man.
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And if you sent that to like a NASA photo instrumentation specialist, they wouldn't be
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They say what they do is they say bullshit.
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That's not off of Mars.
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Well I had the negative.
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You have the negative.
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So they can say whatever the hell they want.
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And you can back it up with these JPL guys.
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So I will send you that.
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I'll send you something else very similar.
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Joe, I appreciate it, man.
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So JPL is just sitting on these.
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Yeah, but you got to understand something.
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You got to know exactly what negative you're asking for to get to picture.
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Why would they hide this information?
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They're not hiding it.
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They're just not talking about it.
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But it's so mind blowing and important.
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I mean, the other interesting thing I'm just thinking as you're saying all this is
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that it's been hypothesized even by conventional science that at one point habitable life existed
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on Mars and it was stripped of its magnetosphere maybe due to an asteroid impact.
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Because it moved something past through our solar system and took inner and inner area
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planets and moved them to outer areas, outer rim.
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And what do you think?
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What do you think moved through our solar system?
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Some big object passed through our solar system that did that.
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And it's a gravity field.
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It probably stripped them atmosphere of Mars at the same time.
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It's impossible to know now.
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It could be a wild planet.
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It's you're doing an elliptical orbit that takes 20,000 years.
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Any other alien artifacts that you saw in these negatives?
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I'm not going to go there because this is all going in a book.
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But I got to tell you this.
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In my opinion, this is just my opinion.
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I think sufficient evidence exists that we in fact might be aliens.
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And what is that evidence?
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That evidence is the way we treat our planet.
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What we do is take, take, take, take, where the only animals on this planet has no respect
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So you think we were imported here?
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I think this is where we came maybe from Mars.
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So maybe some remnants, survivors of that cataclysm or something or explorers, maybe before
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the cataclysm came here?
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I think there were people that got stuck on Mars and tried to survive by hibernating.
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I think elements of people on Mars went as, but all different directions looking for help
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or another place they could go.
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And I think some of the people wound up here.
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Now what happens when you jump to another planet, you leave all your industry behind.
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So the only thing you have that's advanced technology is the ship.
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You cannibalize the ship to you, you've used every single part on it for something.
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When you run out of that, you slowly devolve back to sticks and stones.
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And the reason why is you can't just build a manufacturing plant.
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You have to start at the very base, work your way forward, develop leisure time, all the
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skill sets necessary, and go through all the steps to eventually build a manufacturing
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You wrote a fantastic book that I recommend everybody read called the ultimate time machine.
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You hypothesize something very interesting about how the pyramids of Giza were built,
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which is a subject of endless speculation because people don't think that with prosaic,
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conventional, you know, civil engineering techniques, we can actually build the pyramid.
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So what do you think?
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We might have poured the stones, they still import them.
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What does that mean?
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What does that mean?
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Over a long period of time, concrete turns to stone.
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When they build a skyscraper or a house with poor concrete, the first 25 years you live
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in a house, that concrete is not hard.
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It takes 100 years for concrete to harden completely.
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Once it hardens, it then starts converting to stone.
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10,000, 20,000 years later, it's rock.
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And if you test it, it's rock.
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You may say that looks an awful lot like granite, but it may be that it was actually mixed
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and poured at the time it was set.
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So there are places where the stones look like pillows that were put in place.
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They wrap around other deformations and look like they literally were made out of clay
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and put in place and then got hard.
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So that implies yeah, hardening process, basically.
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It would explain the megatonge because you can't really carry that in solid form.
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Well, there's maybe ways you can.
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Well, that was the other thing you said in that book is that there was water that allowed
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for the transport of these.
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What I said was they built reed boats.
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They actually harvested the stone up the Nile where the quarries are, loaded the stones
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in the boats and brought them down.
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And where the pyramid is, they damned it and just flooded that whole area.
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And as the water level came up, they rolled the stones off the boats in place.
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That's, I mean, what a sophisticated, amazing use of nature.
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And what do you think the purpose of the pyramid was this is also a subjective endless
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I think it's a transmitter.
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Whatever they want to do, whatever they want to talk to you, you know, go back to the
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time of their creation and figure out where they're pointed.
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You well, or Ryan's belt.
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Before this last, uh, procession around the North Star Polaris, uh, it mapped fully to
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I think around 10,600 BC is when it shifted and before that, uh, you know, yeah, map to
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Ryan's belt, which is always, uh, the place in across mythologies and civilizations, uh,
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it's the place the souls would ascend through.
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The, the path of souls, uh, that idea that on death, we, our soul makes a kind of leap
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up to the heavens and then makes a journey along the Milky Way.
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Uh, and that, that journey is full of challenges and difficulties, uh, on which we will be
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assessed for the use we made of the incredible gift of life.
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Uh, that idea is found all over the world.
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Maybe that's how we went back to Ryan's belt.
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It's, it's a meter of us.
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Oh, that's, I don't know.
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Maybe they're sort of a celestial ascended chamber.
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I can tell you there's ways of using the, uh, chambers and things within the pyramid,
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chemically, to make you matters.
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The interesting, you can make a giant, he made a round in it, a matter of what?
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Everything from light to whatever you want to admit, the frequency was.
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That's so fascinating.
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Have you ever remote viewed the crucifixion?
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I, unfortunately cannot pick my targets because then I would know what I'm looking at.
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So to be blind, it has to be somebody else picks my targets.
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You've never gotten curious though and said like, okay, I have this pretty amazing skill.
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Oh, there is a lot of stuff.
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But you want to stay disciplined about being tested.
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If I'm going to do a remote, you guys got to be within protocol.
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Have you ever been tasked with remote viewing any historical events that are religious
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Anything you tell me.
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But they weren't Western religion.
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They were something else.
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Um, um, I got, I was targeted on sometimes temples and things.
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Tampels like chinto temples?
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Um, back around 249 AD, there is a record in the Royal Court of China, a woman named
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And Himeco exchanged ambassadors with the Royal Court of China.
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She's the only female Empress that ever existed.
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She ruled for 76 years.
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There's virtually no records of her.
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And she ruled in peace.
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She converted all Japan from hunting gathering for which the warlords constantly fought over
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territory to the rice culture, which locked them down to the land, stopped all the warring.
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So she was also a shaman.
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She had her own temple, her mother did, her grandmother did.
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She came from two of the most powerful families, one on Kishu Island and one on the tip of
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the main island down south.
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I was hired to do remote viewing and then we would go over to Japan and look at the places
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I said things existed.
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Um, we think we believe that we found her, her summer palace, her winter palace, her
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temple, her mother's temple and her burial mound.
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And why were you tasked with looking into this?
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There's a group in Japan, they're mostly from Okinawa.
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Um, I'm not going to pronounce this correctly, but it's called the Nukai Group.
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And what they do is they try to develop proof of mythology that's recorded.
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Now since there's this short little line on her in the world court of China, they know
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They know that the emperor of China gave her ghost mirrors, gave her a gold ring, gave
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her some other gifts and exchanged ambassadors with her.
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But that's the only proof is that one line written in the records of the Royal Court
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So everything else about her is a myth.
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And what we did is we demythed it by showing those things as belonging to her.
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And did you do anything special about her?
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She clearly was this remarkable.
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She introduced the rice culture to Japan.
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She consolidated all of what existed then called a Japan.
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She re-insured that there were no worse flop between the warlords anymore.
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All the warlords won the Marriots.
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She was absolutely gorgeous.
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But she could read their minds too.
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And she would just show up when they were planning to do something.
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And they always wondered how did she know?
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And there's just so many things that she's known for.
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And there was this sudden change in Japan at her time.
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So there's about 70 years of total peace there where that was allowed to happen.
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Your aforementioned colleague, Inga Swann, read a book called Penetration.
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And it's one of the weirdest books I've ever read in my life where he talks about doing
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his normal remote viewing work.
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And then he is approached by a guy named Axel Rod.
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And it's a guy in a suit.
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And he's very mysterious.
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He blind folds Inga.
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Inga goes to some deep underground location.
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And they see a UFO together.
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And then he's told to remote view the dark side of the moon.
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And he sees an alien base on the dark side of the moon.
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And then he says some really interesting.
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He ends the book around theory.
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And he says that there's space side and there's earth side.
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And there are almost alien spaces and there are earthly, you know, man and woman spaces,
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And what do you make of all of this?
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Well, I knew Inga really well.
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And I will tell you that when he was writing a book, he always talked about it.
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He would come into the lab and he would say, this is why I went the last couple days.
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This is how I am writing.
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And this is what I wrote.
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And he even let some people read part of the manuscript.
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He was very clear about what he was doing.
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And he talked about it a lot before it was published.
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Penetration came right out of the clear blue.
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Never spoke a word of it.
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It just suddenly appeared.
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I think he's playing a game.
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And what was the game?
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He wants to see how far he can take people.
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I have no idea, but I can tell you that he never wanted to discuss it.
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He said, read the book.
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That's all he ever said.
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Well, he would say things like I was at the groceries doing, you know, buying fruit or
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whatever in the fruit produce.
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And I see an alien on earth and I know she's an alien and she realizes that I recognize
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It's just so strange.
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So you think he was sort of playing game.
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But then we were eating dinner one night and he said, I finally figured you out, Joe.
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What did you figure out?
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He said that you're an iconoclastic son of a bitch.
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And I said, geez, I didn't know you cared.
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And that night when we got back to the motel, our two rooms were side by side.
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When he put his key in his lock, I put my key in my lock.
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We turned the locks and he went into his room and I pretended to go in mine, backed out,
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locked the door and ran down to the office and I said, do you have a thizarous or dictionary?
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And I said, I don't know what iconoclastic means.
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What it means is I'm a destroyer or disprover of structure.
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If somebody says, this is why this happened, I'll show you why it is.
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I don't buy anything unless I have evaluated it myself, going through all the jumps and
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you know, checked everything.
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And then I might say, in all probability, this is true.
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I do find it interesting.
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We're sitting amidst a UFO craze right now.
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Like it's, we're a peak mania when it comes to UFOs in the zeitgeist.
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We're, yeah, everybody's talking about disclosure, sometimes in healthy ways, other times
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in weird unhealthy ways with the kind of ulterior motives and agendas.
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And a lot of the early interest in UFOs did come out of the remote viewing community.
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And I do, I find it interesting.
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You have the guy like Hal put off, move on from remote viewing.
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He's still interested in it, obviously, but he goes on to work on sort of like secret
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science, lineage of stuff alongside UFOs.
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And then you have Russell Targ being like, I'm kind of skeptical of UFOs.
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And so what do you make of that?
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Well, I know both of them really well.
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And I know why Hal's interested.
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I also, Jacques fillet for a long time.
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I know him really well.
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I was in England when he was there.
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I sat at the table with him.
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We talked about some stuff.
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He remembered a paper in his hotel.
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He went back to get it and looked the wrong way when he stepped off the curb.
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Are you conspiratorial about that?
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No, it was honest accident.
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You know, Americans looked the other way in the cab building that was doing 50 miles
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So he never, if he had looked the right way, he would have seen that they drive on the
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wrong side of the road.
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So, but I know all these feet.
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And I know they have an honest interest in the reality of, is it, or is it not?
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I'm agreeing with them.
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There's a guy named Ryan Wood that I know really well.
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I know his father even better.
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And I went to a number of crash sites with him, which all turned out to be our planes.
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Well, he doesn't think that, Ryan.
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No, he does about some of them because we found evidence of it.
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And we talked to people who were actually there.
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But he wouldn't say Roswell or Kecksburg was.
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I'm talking about the ones that I was with him.
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We've gone to a lot of sites.
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I only went two or three with him.
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You read a great book about it.
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So, you know, there's a lot about that.
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And now I've had UFOs shown to me in blow up photographs.
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Some of those people.
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You told me Jacques Vallet showed you a photo of you.
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You told him out of the lake.
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And he kept saying to me, check it out.
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He said, did you see what I'm saying?
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And he said, look at it.
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And I finally said, maybe I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
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And you missed the, you don't see the UFO in the lake.
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He said, look at the cows.
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Every cow in that picture was looking at the UFO.
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I want to see this photo.
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The pilot never saw it.
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I'm going to call it Jacques.
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It's free right in front of his plane.
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And pilot never saw it.
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So there's plenty of evidence of UFOs.
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So there probably are.
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What do you think the UFOs are?
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Could be alien might not be.
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The problem I have is when people say the grazer aliens, no, they're not the robots.
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That's what the smartest people I know say.
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Is that they're sort of droid like robots?
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They have a function.
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They do their function.
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And the function is sort of this cold calculate in plantation genetic collection,
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And why are they doing that?
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And they say, oh, they look like this, but they have no nose and no mouth.
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Well, of course not robotic.
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Who are they doing that collection on behalf of?
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Maybe the people that sent them here.
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If we have any interaction with aliens, it's got to be from one star to the other.
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That's not done with the UFO or a fire wagon.
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That's an instantaneous jump.
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Just plant it to this planet.
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They don't even need a spaceship to do it because they're never in space.
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Do you think we have the capabilities of doing that?
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So sending people to other, okay.
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But you think maybe some other planets have the capabilities to do that.
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Are there a million years ahead of us?
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Now, a lot of people are concerned about the threat.
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What are they here for?
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Why are they messing with us?
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And I will tell you, if they have that capacity to jump star to star, they've been here
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If they met us harm, we would have been toast a long time.
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So why are they here?
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Maybe it's because we're doing something that they don't necessarily approve of.
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The first UFO ever recorded was within seven days of the detonation of the first atomic
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weapon in Trinity in New Mexico.
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That's the first one I'd ever appear.
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Ever since then, they've had a huge interest in our atomic weapons.
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They've zeroed them out.
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They've denatured them.
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So they won't go off in the last one that Putin tried to launch as a test exploded in
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So there's other reasons that we don't understand.
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You're saying Putin made an attempt.
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And as a warning, he probably took the nuke off the top and launched out of a nuclear
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But it exploded, possibly due to you.
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Right inside the nuclear storage facility.
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Is there a record of this?
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Yeah, as far as I know, yeah.
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I didn't, I'm not aware of this.
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But that's what he tried to do as a warning.
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He's constantly saying, oh, I'm going to have to use a new.
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Oh, he constantly, he and Medvedev are its dog whistles with nuclear war constantly.
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You know, I think he has a tattoo that said, which is stupid.
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Because I see into the world because our retaliation is not going to be just Russia.
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It'll be China, Russia, Tehran, North Korea, everybody who has a nuke that we can get hit
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And if we do that, the whole world's toast.
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I remember being on the phone with you once and I asked you about aliens and you said,
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I think we might be turning into them.
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I thought what I think I said was, I'm not sure we aren't aliens.
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But it was almost like they were a future version of us, too.
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I wouldn't pretend to know what their interest is or what their desire is.
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All I can say is, I don't think they mean us any harm.
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They're concerned about our inability to improve.
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Can we get these negatives, the photos on Mars?
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I can show you one or two.
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I can send it to you.
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I'm not going to send you a bunch of them.
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I'll send you one or two.
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They're absolutely for sure.
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That's remarkable, man.
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Well, I appreciate that and that means a lot.
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Joe, 2025 feels like it's getting really weird.
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It is getting weird.
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Do you have a convergence of all sorts of tech singularities with AI and quantum chips?
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The UFO thing has become this just mad craze.
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Then geopolitically, things feel like a total powder keg.
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As unstable as they've ever been.
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What do you see coming down the pike?
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Are we going to make contact with aliens?
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Are we going to destroy ourselves?
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Are we going to make it through?
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I think at the last minute, we're going to have a direct interaction with them.
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That's going to be straight up fly right.
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Are we going to ensure you fly right?
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They're going to say, you guys better get your act together.
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Humanity is meant to improve, to grow, to learn, to be better.
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Right now, we're stuck in a period of great aberace, greed, money.
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It's hard to tell when somebody has any kind of a baseline and morality or ethics.
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It's a bad feeling and that's scaring people.
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I think the aliens are here to stabilize that, to stop that crap, grow up because humanity
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needs to improve because right now we're at 7.5 billion people.
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No, we're at 9 billion plus.
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We stop being able to produce sufficient food to feed people at 7.5 billion.
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You probably weren't old enough to remember a time when the poor could go to a place and
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buy excess food from the government for virtually nothing.
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Five pound block of cheese for a buck.
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There is no excess anymore.
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There are people dying of starvation who can't get food and yet we keep having more babies.
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The reason for the increase in population has to do with the old.
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People in order to be cared for in most countries where they have no retirement, no care about
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the people, nothing at all to do with the people they get old.
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They rely on their families to take care of them to protect them.
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If they have eight children, they have a possible chance of survival at an old age.
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Even if they lose half their kids, the disease or whatever, those remaining four or five
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kids will take care of them in their old age.
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They won't starve to death or die ugly.
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The problem is that's not good because we keep increasing the numbers.
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The way it should be, governments exist because the people want them.
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The people design governments to support them.
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It should be all about the people.
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It's not about making profit.
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It's not about saving money.
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It's not about low taxes.
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It's not about any of that crap.
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It's about what the people want.
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The people get and the people are taxed for.
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There's no corruption.
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That's what's necessary.
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Are there any alien bases you've remote viewed on Earth where we might be able to?
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The three bases that supposedly are alien bases.
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I drew all three of them.
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All three of them when I drew them back then were classified so I could never talk about
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But I told the people who tasked me what they were.
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I could say it now because it's known.
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They're over the horizon radar sites.
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That's why our entire due system went away because we have bases in the world which
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are designed to look over the horizon.
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So if Russia or China were to launch a weapon when it's a couple hundred feet off the
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launch tube, we'll see it.
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Not eight minutes before it hits us.
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On that very sober note, Joseph McModagal.
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This has been an honor.
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I appreciate your time and this is a really wide-ranging, incredibly informative interview.
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And thank you for having us.
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Well, you're welcome.
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And you can come back again if you want.
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