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with the increased amount of research and the increased amount of information
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that's come out since the government started releasing its UAP, UFO, you know,
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reports it, the overwhelming probability continues to point to
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terrestrial explanations, right?
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Whether it's whether it's new weapon systems, old weapon systems,
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experimental weapon systems, disinformation systems, whatever it is,
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that's still the predominant description.
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There's fantastic, fantastic reporting out there that explains
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the the Tic Tacs that we're seeing.
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I mean, very sound, solid scientific explanations for how it's shadow from radar,
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how it's the it's the speeds that are reported are inaccurate compared to the actual speeds
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that are reported on the actual airframes themselves that can that help to color
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with more scientific context.
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What those various UFOs were recorded by the Navy fighter jet pilots,
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which also explains why they would be publicly allowed to be released.
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Because they're they're not, in fact,
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hyper dangerous weapon systems from foreign governments, and they're not, in fact,
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suspicious foreign invaders.
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So, yeah, as far as the whole UFO con conversation goes, I still very much believe
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we have to lean on terrestrial explanations first.
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When those are proven to be unreliable, then we can open the door to what's next.
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But we have to we have to start with what we know.
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That's what science is.
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You start with what you know.
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Well, how do you explain how do you rationalize the New York Times articles coming out,
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saying that we have to take these seriously as a as a otherworldly threat?
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I don't know if if the New York Times is coming out saying we have to take them
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seriously as an otherworldly threat, then whoever.
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Like literally the word threat they use.
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But otherworldly is the thing that I don't necessarily believe.
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Do we have to take them as a serious threat?
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If you have some sort of phenomenon happening in the atmosphere
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that puts commercial airlines in danger or puts military aircraft in danger.
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Yes, that's a threat that you have to take seriously.
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But do you have to take it seriously as an otherworldly alien species threat?
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But then I think the government is doing the right thing, answering to the American public
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and answering to general flight safety and air superiority.
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If if you want to control the skies above a battlefield,
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you have to understand what's happening in the skies.
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But that's why special operations have special ops meteorologists.
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Because you've got to be able to control the sky.
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If there are pockets of gas and weird lights and objects in the sky
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that could put a pilot at risk or put a drone in danger, we've got to understand what it is.
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Is there a protocol for if a spaceship lands on the White House lawn?
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Is there is there is there a government protocol?
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Somebody got paid for that.
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Someone in Deloitte.
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Sleepy Joe wasn't aware.
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What would that protocol be?
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I don't know what it would be.
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But I was thinking, let me go back to your the last bit of conversation.
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So if you think about TWA 800.
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I was just going to bring that up.
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I love where your head's at.
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What is what is what is interviewed?
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So TWA 800 sometime in 95, I think it was July of 95.
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There's a commercial airliner coming out of LaGuardia Airport heading to France packed.
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It's like a it's a it's a 747 packed.
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There's probably 300, 280, 300 passengers on it.
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Well, I won't say it shot.
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It blows up in midair about 13 miles off of the airport.
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And, you know, everyone obviously dies.
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Is this the like the soccer or the students or something?
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It was students going over to like some type of summer summer youth week in France.
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And you worked this case.
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You were investigating this.
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So we put this thing back together over the course of a year.
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And there's clearly a missile shot in the side of it.
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The explanation that the center gas tanks on the 747 were not locked off.
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So they're supposed to be locked off so they can't pass wing to wing.
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They can only take the fuel that they have in either wing and the pilot can go ahead and,
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you know, switch out.
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So the explanation was, well, there was a little bit of a seal that was
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not working and it opened up and the thing blew up in the sky.
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I think we interviewed every certified 747 pilot in the United States who all said that
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that's impossible, that that could have happened.
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There was a Navy ship in the area that there was a rocket or a missile that was seen
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traveling to the aircraft, a bunch of flames, and then basically the thing dropped right after that.
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Let's take the technology that we just talked about.
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This particular person or persons that commanded that ship swore that they saw
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enemy aircraft in the air.
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And that's why they made the shot.
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You can't find that anywhere.
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Just like the, I hate to say this, but just like some transmissions with a couple of fighter pilots
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right at, as 9-11 was happening, who supposedly may have caught up to the Shanksville aircraft.
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I don't know that'd be a fact, but you can't find anything on that anymore.
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But it was out there.
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The transmissions and everything.
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In fact, those guys interviewed on Nightline, the two pilots.
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So Ted Koppel interviewed them.
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Here comes the comments.
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So, but take that TW-800, think about what we were just talking about with things in the sky
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to make it look like as if there's a fleet of fighter jets, you know, rolling across
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from another country.
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Take the Navy ship in the area, take the witness accounts,
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eyewitness accounts, including, I think, Pierre Salinger was one of the ones that actually reported on it.
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I mean, yeah, here we go.
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Because I wonder if that was...
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Let the skepticism begin.
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The reason I was going to ask about that...
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It don't make sense, right?
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And then it, and then it, what does make sense is that they had to stop, you know, going back
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to like the, the TW-800 though, like what does make sense is that you can't admit that.
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So, so, all right, just straight up without going into all the conflicting details with
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this and everything.
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It's like you're a Navy ship, you fire off test missiles or you're off the coast of Long Island.
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And if you see enemy aircraft, you're supposed to fire because you get one shot to do it.
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You end up firing on a commercial airliner.
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We all know what kind of hearings would happen in DC, the regulation and what you wouldn't be allowed
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to do anymore. And so from a cost effective perspective, which is a very callous way of
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putting it, there's no reason to say that the military, the Navy, whatever, wouldn't make an
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assessment there in coordination with the top levels of government to say, look, uh, win some,
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This is an L. Public can't really know about this and we're going to move the fuck on.
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And then they shut down your investigation. And again, that's a tough one because if there's
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no malice with it, which I guess we'll never know, but I have no reason to believe,
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like, why would you shoot down a bunch of students going to fucking France?
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You know what I mean? Like there's no malice there.
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Then the bigger picture of like, all right.
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That's just me thinking out loud about kind of tying together.
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You know, as we, as we do so well, you see in the Bureau, we, we connect dots now.
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Have you ever seen the documentary? What was the documentary I told you to watch about 9-11?
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Yeah. It was like four hours.
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It was 9-11, the new Pearl Harbor. It was a four hour documentary.
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They take, they take a lot of-
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I'm sure a lot of it is bullshit. Yeah.
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But they go deep on it. Yeah.
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Like they, they interviewed, I think it was like 400 Boeing pilots and, and Boeing engineers.
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This is just one of the things they had in there that stuck out with me the most.
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They said that those Boeing jets could not fly at that speed, at that low of an altitude without
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the wings ripping off.
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Hmm. I got a theory on this. What's your theory?
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Call it the Julian Dory.
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No, I'm just one with you.
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No, but like looking at the, the 9-11 thing, cause you were there that day. You're another
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person there that can speak to this.
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I find that people who were below the age of at least six or seven, sometimes a little older
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on that day and, or, and perhaps more importantly, people who lived starting two states out or call
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it 150 miles in radius from New York City are increasingly exponentially more likely to assume
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conspiracies at the highest level on all of that because they did not know people who were there that
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day in the building who went down with the building or were on the ground or one of each.
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And so when you're someone like me or especially someone like you who was a just past that age
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old enough to be able to understand what was going on, B new people that died in there, C new people
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on the ground, D new people that got out of the building and what they reported. It is very hard to
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listen to some of the arguments that people try to make about how this was all a fucking inside job
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when they take liberties with what actually happened that day and what people reported
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when they were going through the building. And then they also switch around facts. Now,
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are there things that were their mistakes made? Oh, fuck. Yeah. We already talked about it. We know
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the CIA and FBI had a lot of issues going back and forth. Furthermore, could there have been a couple
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rogue people in the government that maybe had intelligence and were like, ah, this wouldn't be the worst
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thing ever? Sure. And would the government ever let the public know that? Absolutely fucking not.
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And of course we want to know that, but they're not going to do that. But what people do is they
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then take it down to George Tenet was literally standing there controlling a missile that looked
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like a plane because it was graphically edited to do that and put it into the fucking twin towers.
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And we went over there to kill a million Iraqis. And that's that's where I go. Hold on a fucking
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minute. Take a step back. That that's that's not what this was. What people don't want to look at
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with the conspiracy of like 9-11 is the very real possibility that a bad thing could happen. Bad
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people in the government might have been like a human being that day upset. It did who then also
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then took advantage of every fucking thing that allowed them to do to be able to take other powers
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that perhaps liberties that they didn't have the power to take in the past and set all these
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precedents that get us to this point where you had this world changing event that changed everything,
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changed our way of life and has now gotten us to a point in the country where 20 years later,
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more than 20 years later, we're literally more divided than ever. And people are looking for a
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search for meaning. So they find it in two towers going down that day and a fucking Pentagon hit.
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I don't know why on the internet that's a controversial opinion, but apparently it is. And like when I
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watch a documentary like that, which I do, I actually want to watch it again. You know, they can tie
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together some things that make sense, but then they'll, to go back to the conspiracy point,
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they'll tie nine things together that make no fucking sense. Absolutely. None. Absolutely.
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And then when you had the pro another problem is when you have things declassified like
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Operation Northwoods, that's not a very good look either. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. And there's
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tons of questions. I mean, there is tons of questions. There's tons of things that were never
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answered. Tons of things that were hidden, like all the tapes that were hidden, you know, that I guess there's...
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Can you tell people what that was? Just so that they were Northwoods. Oh, Operation Northwoods.
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Was a declassified operation that was planned by, I believe, Alan Dulles, who is the head of the CIA,
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to fly a empty airliner, passenger airliner over Cuba and shoot it down and then claim that Cuba
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shot it down to create a false flag and to invade Cuba. That's pretty terrifying when you read through it.
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Yeah. They didn't like Cuba, man. Fuck. Yeah. That was during the whole Kennedy thing. Yeah.
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And Kennedy is the one. They didn't like him either. Kennedy was the one who shot that down, right?
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Or who ended that. Oh, here we go. We got the fucking... Oh, there we go. 13 March 62. You write this, Jim?
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I was my first document. So just so, you know, random admin geek insight. So if you look at the
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classification at the top, oh, please zoom back out. Zoom out. A little too much. There you go.
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Top secret, special handling, no foreign. That... What does that mean?
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That was very, very classified back then. T-S-S-H, right? That top secret is by itself,
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it means you can only see it if you have a top secret clearance. Special handling is above special
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compartment information. It's a subset within special compartment. So if you have SCI and access to
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special handling, that's what special handling means. So if there are 10,000 people with a top secret
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clearance, there might be a thousand with SCI. There might be a hundred with special handling.
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And then the no foreign, it means no foreigner is allowed to see this.
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Oh, wow. And that's specific because it means this cannot be seen by any American allies.
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No Canadians, no Australians, no New Zealanders, no Brits. So that's what the no foreign means. So this was
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very, very classified if that was the original classification.
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Yeah. So it's pretty... And it's still, I mean, not many people know about it.
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Really not many people know about it. There's a small, like you said, the 80-20 rule. There's
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really not many people who pay attention to this. Yeah. Can you scroll down, scroll down. So you'll
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see on the lower left-hand corner of the report, it might be right here. Stop right there. No,
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keep going down. Yeah. I'm looking for... Stop there a second. Nope. Go back up.
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Top Secret. How did we get this? Who leaked this? I don't know. That's a good question.
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It's not a leak. If it's unclassified... Yeah, it's unclassed. They released it.
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It was probably taken to a reading room. Yeah. Yeah. NSA archive too.
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Now, how do we get all this stuff on on fucking Kennedy's assassination?
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There's a reason... That was extended. Yeah, that was extended.
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What? There's a reason... Oh, wait. No, that's... What does that say?
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I want to know when they did it. 21 May... What would happen?
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Reviewed by a JCS on May of 84. All right. So 21. All right.
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If you were like, we all want to know, we all want to see the...
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Classification continued. There it is. It's... Yep.
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So continued after 84. Yep. Let the word go forth.
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This document does not have the proper markings, Eric.
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What were you saying, Julian? I'm saying we... If we all wanted to like,
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not have any consequences for anything and like, just kind of like, no,
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we'd all love to see the JFK document. Yeah. Obviously. But like,
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we... There was a second shooter on the grassy knoll. No doubt.
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There's a 99.9... Actually 100,000% chance that that person was traceable to individuals
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in four different layers, three different layers, two different layers, one layer in a
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fucking mobster removed from individuals at the CIA. And so even if it were rogue elements there,
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if you release that document 60 years later tomorrow, and it says that, the trust in the CIA is
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gone forever, it doesn't matter if 60 years ago, it's like, oh my God, you guys whacked the president.
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But there's no treat. What Andy's saying is there doesn't matter if there's trust or not. What
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would happen? What would be the implications on society if we all found out? They said, okay,
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yep, we plotted to kill Kennedy. We whacked him.
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I could think of it.
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What would happen? I could think of it.
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How many people would even pay attention to it?
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All you need is that 0.01% chance you didn't, that seed of doubt over there.
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It allows it to continue.
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It's, it's, so I want to, I want to make sure that I highlight Julian, that your whole,
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you've slipped in this rogue element thing, like rogue officer, rogue element, right? It's not,
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it's kind of like from a princess bride. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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Right. We've talked about Harlan's razor, right?
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No, never subscribe to conspiracy. What can be explained with idiocy?
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Oh, that's what that is. Okay.
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Never subscribe to conspiracy. What can be explained with idiocy? It's much more realistic
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that somebody just had to go poop and they didn't read that report on that could have saved 9-11.
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It's much more likely that that person was just feeling sleepy and went to go get a cup of coffee,
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ended up in a long conversation, came back up and forgot which document he was reading.
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And just did the crossword puzzle and went home.
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Much more likely that happened than some rogue, rogue officer
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saw this piece of killer bulletproof evidence and said, I'm just going to let this pass and let
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them all burn. Right? The thing is nobody, you want to know what people are really uncomfortable
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with the idea of? Incompetency in the government.
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That's what they're so uncomfortable with that, that they'd rather believe the government is so
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intelligent that they can keep a conspiracy.
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Then why did all those people,
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Why did all those people in government politicians sell off all of their American airline stocks
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It's the same thing that happened here with the guy who said, I'm going to die in the Bahamas.
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It's not going to be suicide. It's the FBI. It's the CIA suiciding me.
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They've done that before though. No.
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Yeah. There's always, always got to be ready to consider correlation versus causation.
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