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The skiff. Look at this place, man.
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So there we go. I get a package.
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Now, this is from the person who is head of cybersecurity at Los Alamos National Laboratory.
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Local residents should be checked for evidence that they are being symbiotically manipulated by surviving aliens.
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I trust that that is a memo that was never supposed to be in public domain.
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So this is not the only piece of paper that was...
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Okay. There's a whole other set of files attached to that.
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There's a pattern of people disappearing.
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Something bad happened to them?
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If you mean by being murdered, bad?
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I would love that smoking gun evidence, which does exist.
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So have other people that you know.
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And I'm not talking about one piece of footage.
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I'm talking about a lot of footage.
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But it is not mine to share.
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What does it feature?
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Does it feature a disc, a tic-tac, a tube?
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We're talking about a lot of different footage, Chris.
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There are, there's triangles.
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And that you've seen.
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So I think I have a little fear in me right now.
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So I'm like trying to speak thoughtfully.
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And that's hard for me sometimes.
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But there are consequences.
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But there are consequences.
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And sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs and destroy your humanity.
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And I've seen that pain in people's eyes.
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And it's not a way to live, man.
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So in 2008, on the 4th of July, I was on a boat with my father, who's in the Federal Aviation Administration, two retired commercial pilots and a current commercial pilot.
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And off to our right is a baseball field.
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And the field lights are on.
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From these three lights, we saw three cubes appear.
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And they were rotating.
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And then they just vanished after about 20 seconds, I would say.
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It was almost like they came out of the lights.
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And everybody in the boats that we were both tied to and the boats all around us, we all freaked out.
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And ever since then, I've been obsessed with the phenomenon.
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I mean, I could say a lot of the same things about you, sir.
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No, it was really bad.
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But I mean, you do something 10,000 times more than someone else.
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It's the definition of a magician.
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Doing something, an unreasonable, putting an unreasonable amount of time into something.
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Unreasonable to who?
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To the common person.
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Whoever you're trying to fool.
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Or just the people not doing it.
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Do you try to fool people?
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I think fooling them is a part of the, is one of the ingredients in creating wonder.
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But you don't always necessarily have to fool people.
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In fact, the best magic tricks is when people fool themselves.
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And the same could be said for a psyop.
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Is your aim to create wonder?
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How do you turn this down?
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You're so loud in my head, Ramsey.
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For a long time, you've been loud in my head.
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And I don't, but I can turn you down.
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Let me know if this is, hold on.
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I'm going to do this.
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I want to have control of turning you up or down.
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One, two, one, two, one, two.
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You're loud motherfucker.
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I mean, it's all good.
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I like, I like the headphones.
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Cause they, they tend to lock you in.
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Um, there's an immersion and I didn't really get it before.
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And I was like, oh, it's more freeing without headphones.
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But then the headphones makes it so that you're kind of, it's like, kind of like blinders for your ears.
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Where you're like, this is where I'm at.
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Blinders for your ears.
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This is where I'm at.
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I, I, now I'm experiencing.
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Now you're aware of it.
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Thanks for coming to the quote unquote skiff.
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Well, you've, I know you've been in a real skiff and, uh, tell me the difference between a skiff.
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I never, as someone who's never set foot in a skiff, what, what is it?
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Let's first be honest with everybody.
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Uh, you took me into a snow globe.
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Just want to make sure we're honest with everybody.
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And then you did bring me into this skiff fact.
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So your question was, what's the difference of a real skiff?
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Cause usually people don't have to be in skiff.
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And they don't bring their phones in.
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They probably check your pockets though before coming in.
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Um, I mean, you go through, in some of them, there's an honor system in some of them, there
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are metal detectors and in some of them there's more procedures done.
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But typically if you're being brought into a skiff, they already know that you're not
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going to be breaking the rules.
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No, they make sure to know.
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I mean, I, I can only speak from my own experience.
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My own experience is I would, I was never in a skiff where all variables that were controllable
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were not controlled.
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And there's a lot of skiffs that I never went into.
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No, I think you answered.
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I think you just answered that question, but no, get getting into a skiff, like, like that
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moment where you're like crossing the threshold, you know, you're in this sensitive compartmentalized
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information facility.
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It's, you know, you hear about the things that go on in the skiff and the things that
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are talked about are obviously of the most sensitive nature.
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Do you feel that sort of reverence as you cross a threshold into one of these places?
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Do you feel anxiety or is there like a sense of relief or release that there's no nothing
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recording anything you're saying?
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Well, that's not always true that there's nothing recording what you're saying inside
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That's not always true.
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First of all, um, now you're asking me a personal question and my personal feelings.
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If I can be completely honest now, which I can be, is that my, my personal feeling is I've
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never walked into a skiff once invited that I didn't feel 100% comfortable.
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You've refused to enter a skiff.
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George Knapp and I refused to go into a skiff.
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This was mentioned in Sleeping Dog.
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Foxy, I don't have a memory for it.
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Cause I just quickly, you're saying this way before everybody.
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And I haven't processed anything.
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Well, I'll refresh your memory.
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Um, you, you were invited into a skiff and then you were advised by your lawyer not to go.
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Because your lawyer is like, if you go in there and you say this stuff, they might have a right
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You just made an assumption.
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What was my assumption?
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Nothing I could have said could have been classified.
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I'll explain it to you.
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But, but the lawyer, uh, in the movie, you said that the lawyer, that was one of the things he
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warned you about was that they can just basically, uh, classify whatever is said in there and that,
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that way you're never allowed to report on it.
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I'm not trying to be mysterious.
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I just, you don't have to be very specific because now you're asking my brain to unravel
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something, which I haven't really seen in a way in a big way.
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Let's go into this one little tiny hair and let's split it.
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Um, I was supposed to testify in front of the American public.
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My caveat to that or condition.
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Was that the American public gets to see some of what I've seen and some of what George
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has seen a tiny fraction.
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Um, footage that is absolutely non harming to American national security and five eyes,
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the difference would be no satellite footage because satellite capability is a like a submarine
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is is is really classified it's whereabouts and and the capability of satellite if you look at
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what's out there in the natural world is is very limited like extremely limited so no satellite
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footage if it had ever passed in front of my eyes that's not something that is safe additionally
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let's say there's two ufos that swarm from the left of camera towards the right kind of make a half loop
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around a russian asset but that russian asset not just being satellite or whatever actually it was
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low visual so not satellite but that asset they didn't know that we were and could see them so
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that's a no-go because yeah because now they're aware of you know whatever drone or whatever
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satellites looking at that so so strategic surprise is one of the greatest um threats that we
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participate with dealing with on a daily basis as as a nation and as five eyes so when you have the
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ability to see and people don't think you can that would be considered national security yeah what i
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was intending to do and i guess now i've said it a little bit in the movie because the movie remember
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is a compressed amount of time of course yeah so you get like the sentence that means the paragraph so
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what i was talking about is i was to and i went through a lengthy month many months process of this
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game of cat and mouse of like okay if i had seen anything that the american public should see specifically
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12 assets i figure were you know okay for people to see you know no one piece of footage is going to prove
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everything to everybody um or even anything to anybody yeah but you got to take a shot right so
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and there's no reason why ufos should be the existence of ufos should not be classified nothing
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about that should be classified none that i can think of now when you get into the implications and
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the technology 100 like you know nuclear science exists but can't give you the codes on how to right
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so george knapp and i were doing this dance of like well so i personally will testify but what i have to
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say is not important so saying is not important for me it is giving and showing 12 assets now the thing
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is and here's the dance how do you get into a locked room and you're a puzzle man so maybe you figure
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this out i couldn't how do you get into a locked room with no electronics and show what you think
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as a journalist because you don't got to ask permission as a journalist you don't but you can
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do a lot of harm not just to yourself to other people to our nation that kind of thing so let's just
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pretend how do you get into that locked room and how do you show in front of other people's eyes if you
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if it passes in front of your eyes but you don't have anything oh that's an interesting conundrum
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because because you can't have something yeah i guess i never thought about that that's a really
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interesting thing so but they got to know that something is there wait so anybody who's been
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briefed on the ufo stuff has never been shown a video in a skiff no i didn't say that when i'm working
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on ufo cases or alien encounters the issue isn't just missing or blurry footage it's that anything i try
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to recreate ends up being inconsistent with different looks different lighting nothing
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nothing matches and most ai tools actually end up making it worse really every generation feels like
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a reset you're just prompting random things over and over and that's what i like about higgs field
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cinema studio is that it doesn't work like that at all you start with one intentional frame and that's
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where you sort of define the shot almost like a director would and then you take that frame and you
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extend it into motion by choosing the camera movements the lenses and even the actual camera
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type and so instead of generating clips over and over you're working from a fixed starting point and
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that's what keeps everything consistent same scene the same lighting same characters same locations
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same perspective just different takes of the same shot and for what i'm doing it's actually super
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important to try and remain as accurate to the story as i possibly can and if you guys want to try
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it out i highly encourage you to check it out right now i'll let the link in the description and let me
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know what you think about higgs field and thank you to higgs field for sponsoring this video
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what i said is how i'm asking a question if you're me yeah and you're george uh-huh and you've said
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publicly to the world that that footage has passed in front of your eyes uh-huh but you don't have it
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like it's not at your home sure your home gets raided it's not on your phone so if your phone gets
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taken so you oh i see you have access right because it's been in front of your eyes and you
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predict i understand so how do you then because you know in order for me to testify my condition
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is that the american public has to see what i want to show them because my words don't mean shit
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i mean they do but like that's not the point of why i got nothing really to say yeah of course
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so how do you get in there and bring something because by the time you're bringing something you've
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got something so you have something right okay then let's say you're there first of all you're a
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journalist the obtaining is fine obtain and release i've never leaked anything in my life
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now sure people have leaked stuff to me and george and that's a crime that's a federal crime
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and it's got major punishment and that's on whoever leaks that's on you no it's not my wife's kind of
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reinforced that to me you know that you can't people make make choices for better or worse hopefully
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for better because they trust you sure and the one thing i am worthy of is people's trust so here we go
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how do we get into that room and then how do you show it if you don't if you don't have it if you
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don't want to have it in there because then you have it all of that all of that all of that all of
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that can instantaneously be reverse classified even though it's once it's in the hands of journalists
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yeah it's already in the hands of journalists and they have a duty to to the public yeah yeah it's a
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tricky line but me and george doing no harm to national security is important to us now one more
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layer just to you tell me how you get out of this escape room okay so now i've got a conundrum
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i don't i don't need to testify in the american public but if i did they would see 12 things minimum
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okay so i'm told by national security people after months and months and months of doing this dance
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but also filling up the fucking people they're going to testify going through this massive vetting
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process with each one i brought almost every single person you've seen in the uap hearing up there almost
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have i directly facilitated their sitting there almost
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so with that said i've got this responsibility and i'm like cool let's let's see this through
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let's set this up so we get notified that there is a skiff and it's under my terms and conditions
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which is that these are the people allowed and must be in the room and you tell me who you want
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and i need to know their names now i need to know who they work for and and that's the thing about them
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is they they know that if they tell me a lie i will find out and that's been the bane of the existence
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of the doj and everybody every agency is that somehow through magic with like a fucking normal
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spelling okay this spelling okay the georgian i can do that so then imagine this all set up and by the
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this is the one where they had another journalist that wasn't george knapp at it before right right
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so it was for that and then what happens is i get a call i'm in the showers from a congressional person
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and they say we have a leak straight up we have a leak i go i know and then i'm going to say this person
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said do you know who it is and i said i do i believe i do and then this person said to me
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i'm not even going to be in dc they're lying to you and i said didn't know
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so i called my lawyer my federal lawyer who is chuck mccullough the third and in that conversation
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i don't think this is a good idea for you and george jeremy yeah and and he explained why it seems
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like a almost like a trap almost yeah exactly like a trap that sounds like standard operating
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procedure as well like i mean for this type of thing where it's like hey yeah come on in no you
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know no it's not you don't think so no i know so they're supposed to be a mutual trust for example
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i'll give you another example when i say i'm going to give you 10 witnesses to choose from yeah to
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testify now this is highly sensitive because you're not going to choose 10 so i'm revealing to you out of
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52 cards you know 10 cards but you can only play with six so i'm like there are four people that
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will be exposed that don't need to be so i've got one rule if you ever break it i'm never doing this
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again the rule is nobody because they got a lot of staffers yeah nobody tells arrow and nobody gets
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to know but the people in the room and that's a trust thing and that's the way it should and usually
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goes except every single one of them got exposed to arrow and arrow went after them in different
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unique ways that i have documented and can prove in the court of law in in what in like what way
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have they gone after them in in sort of like public um no mocking is it like stalking or is it
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threatening about the unknown people that didn't test yeah these are the unknown people like how did
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they how did they suffer repercussions or reprisals from you know i didn't say they suffered
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repercussions or reprisals i said they went after them so that means a few different things play the
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tape backwards because sometimes i misspeak no no that's my bad for assuming because i you know you
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hear it a lot when with these uh with witnesses especially uh as of late uh you know matt brown
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and i i assume dylan borland as well um because of the you know the movie as well you know you hear
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him saying oh but nobody's seen it yet yeah after this okay gotcha this will go up people people will
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have seen it temporal dial so i'm gonna skip and chris ramsey has a clock right there but it's it's
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there's a dilation this is two months early i am positive there's a dilation attire yeah well
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there there temporally is we're sitting in a bubble that won't be popped until may after may 18th i mean it's
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like a month no so two months away no no may 12th oh may 12th is may 12th the bubble burst okay well
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that's we're sitting in that current bubble um but safe to say dylan borland in in that documentary
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oh fuck is clearly shaken up um by what seems to be people coming after him he has a fear of people
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coming after his wife he even asks you you know on on one of your calls no matter what happens to me
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take care of my wife he seems really really concerned he was um for good reason and and so
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what i'm asking is like these four people and maybe dylan included what sort of because we hear it a lot
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you know that they're being going at they're being gone after by some you know organization some agency
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but what exactly does that mean is it straight up like brass knuckles and like hey we're going to beat
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you out in the parking lot if you don't shut up or is it more subtle is it like a little wink here and
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there or is it very overt like hey if you don't stop this we'll bury you in the desert like what's
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what does that look like help me understand right so it's insidious and that's the best word that i can
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use for and it comes in a variety of ways and some are overt and some are covert and then some are
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just almost seemingly inert and it's really so i would like to break that down for you
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but i want to back you up one second which is that
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dylan raised his hand and got all the way there and he testified so clearly i'm not talking about him
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yeah although he did you know get messed with and to be factual actually arrow was part of a
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significant operation to um entrap him with a false fictitious i don't know the right words just
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completely fabricated crime really yeah yeah and i i don't know that's pretty serious that's real
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and um we're so now talking to though diet time dilation we're not completely through that yet
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mm-hmm so that just started being opened by the time this airs it might have been i hope i hope exposed
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i hope well i don't know man this is going to take a little while i apologize for this so
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i don't know and and the reason i don't know is because my personal duty is to not harm where i live
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and by telling the world what people in our country did to whistleblowers and who's involved from the
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king all the way down to the soldiers that could harm our nation's in my opinion uh security you know
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because it becomes a vulnerability for any adversarial nation to exploit if they know that
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we have dirty laundry right so i i don't know that's interesting and so this section of the podcast
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might be sped up to nonsense because i don't know let's find out so now let me answer your question
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what let's just get real terrestrial here okay what does it mean when whistleblowers or people
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are threatened by a multitude of private contractors as well as intelligence agency
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individuals i'm going to say because there are bad apples in a barrel right and the barrel is good
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yeah not to blame the whole agency right sure right so so what does that look like well i think the way
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you define for me in the world of magic there are certain key elements of like a show you broke some
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shit down for me this morning right um like what your language is do people spell the word magic the
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same way kind of like that depending on the agency each agency has a persona so you can you can say
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a cia persona feels like an orange mug that says the flying saucer okay odni is like a glass of water
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that's their personality doj fbi odni which oversees all intelligence agencies out of like
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let's pretend the 16 in the united states right odni would be the top of that pyramid allegedly
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allegedly odni would have oversight in a pyramid all the way down to every intelligence agency
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within the united states okay even ones that can only operate outside sure of the united states
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so what does it look like what depends on who you're asking about so
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is beholden or sorry beholden yeah i'd say beholden to the pentagon but i would i would typically say
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arrow is beholden to odni and i could be wrong by the way so i'm just a bearded guy with tattoos who
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has a great mentor i get things wrong all the time so i'm telling you now i believe this to be the case
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when i think about it later i'm going to change my answer so if odni if odni is running
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and it's got arrow underneath and arrows doing the the pressurization of somebody yep okay that's going
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to have a distinct odor feel and smell so the way arrow goes about it is they will have um for example
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a colonel and they will call for example um a navy an active navy guy and the active navy guy says
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i decline to interview with you because i have said so i'm going somebody that did testify right now to
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be kind of safe about my words but like chief wiggins okay he testified to the world raised his hand
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active navy so then arrow after the fact under odni that is my impression they would call him
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and he would respectfully decline an interview because he said i told them everything i know
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what are you interested in and then arrow would say well i'm not interested in in in people
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i'm just interested in events right so senior chief wiggins would then be asked like so who was with
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you in that room when that video was taken now i know they're lying to him already because i provided
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them every name that was in that room because i put a lot of people every name because it's public record
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because it's not a classified situation right so now you've got this weird kind of pressurization
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that is beginning and then if he declines again and by the way when they catch you on the phone and
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they pretend to be like driving in a car they are driving in a car but they're pretending like
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oh mr magoo everything's cool they're weaponizing his answers to try to entrap him in something that
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isn't real right they're they're wishing because they don't know and that's what's so cool they don't
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know so they're trying to create a situation to pressurize him why because ultimately they want
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to have they want to be able to shape the emerging uap narrative so they want to have control of any
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naval person that would ever even dare to stand up and raise their hand about uap again not that
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they're not going to let him yeah they're just going to shape it they have to yeah um yeah they
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gotta put out the fires the no they need to do a contr have control of the burn so so that is one way
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that you apply pressure and that is the um inert way you know nobody can get in trouble nobody is
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getting in trouble this is a high level thing but what they're trying to do is spread a word on the wash
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that there are obstacles to you telling the truth right in the navy because the things spread like
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when i brought when i kept commander that's so subtle like it feels i'm telling you the subtle
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yeah it feels like that could almost be mistaken for i guess um ignorant oh i didn't finish okay
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because then once you've declined and then your superior gets a call and that call is simply like
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menacing and then the superior says well what happens because the navy's so they got the backs
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of their sailors they got the backs of them that's true that's fact about the navy so then the we'll
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say senior person i don't want to identify rank or whatever um they'll say so what happens if he
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declines again and the flex will be well we'll go to pete hanksath and then
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okay okay so they will go to like just flexing that they have a direct line and you know his
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position yeah the secretary of war okay so that was their flex which made me fucking laugh i got it
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my sense of humor back when i heard that man because that is the worst possible flex they could
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possibly do because it's such bullshit yeah so now we're in the thick of that that's like i'll tell the
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teacher no well sorry i hate keep saying no but um yes and yes and um we are going to get the teacher
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to sit you in the corner and you will fucking answer and you will interview with us even though
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you've already said everything to the american public that you fucking know and that's the end
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of story because they're trying to create a message that then flows through the navy now that is the
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inert right i listed three types covert um overt i think i said and inert is that what i said sure
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play the tape back okay so that is like the most simple version of inert right now you've got we're
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talking about threatening witnesses is that what we're talking about yeah okay well i just want to
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know what they mean by that because we've heard it a lot we've heard about reprisals we heard this and
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that and it's kind of been like never even you know when grush talked about it grush has said that
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you know people have sustained uh injury and you know casualties have been taken but like it's always
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kind of been vague and i just want to know what exactly goes on with these interactions so so it is
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always going to be vague because now we're going to move over from co or we're going to move up from
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inert and we're going to move to um i think we'll move to covert okay so so covert um or should it was the
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other one i said um overt overt we can go to overt let's go overt and then covert okay so overt
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you get a call and on the other end of that call is we are going to fucking kill you
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full stop hang up that's just a start okay that that's over right would you agree that's over that's
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pretty overt we're gonna fucking kill you hang up now that'll get in your head like a worm
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okay so you get like a bunch of those you don't know where that's coming from let's keep going
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overt you tell me if this is overt
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you're at a bar and you're you're there with friends that can read i say they can read they
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read the room okay funny story about auntie but anyway they can read and there is a violently
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murderous quiet motherfucker just sitting by you and you can feel like pain right like it hurts
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and you're like oh it's fucking in my head you know i can chill out man get a sense of humor breathe
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you know it's fine so you are so used to this that you go to the bar because you know all the locals
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and you just ask you ever seen this guy before nobody's ever seen this guy nobody servers there
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10 years never seen this guy so you buy a beer and you put the beer down right next to the guy
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and you go hey man i've never seen you around here my name is jeremy here's a cool sticker it's a joke
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um but it's not it's good that's flying saucy you know like that and go you live by here
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and the the the mask the charade just like vanishes totally unmasked right totally unmasked and you
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happen to have a reporter watching who can read and the individual says something exactly like
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yeah just down the road but like that
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and you're like cool so
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and then that guy would say something like
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very very threatening would stand up walk away
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now when i said let me clarify i didn't say like
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i was like come on man that was my version of
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so that is very overt intimidation especially when you can find out later
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who that person was you found out who that person was i'm saying especially when you can
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did you i'm going to decline to answer that okay well i mean i'm sorry no i mean i need to hold
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something for myself yeah for my own so you may or may not have found out who that was for my own sanity
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sure okay so i'm not trying to be evasive give me the soda could you could you take this guy in a
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fight if it no weapons no he's big yeah he's a huge guy yeah okay yeah yeah no way i'm dead
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so especially when when when your friend follows that guy because he can read and was hanging out by
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a car watching everything because i got good friends i don't hang out with douchebags yeah
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and they follow and he notices that the guys because he's not like a trained guy and when he
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notices he walks up into the woods not yet he walked up into the woods oh that's creepy yeah
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so that's overt would you consider that overt what when you when you called him out for
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what did you say um fuck uh the exact words were um like watch your back or something or was it
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no i think what i said was i didn't say the exact words you said i don't recall what i
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yeah you said like uh no way or whatever yeah yeah i'm sorry my brain yeah whatever i said before
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if i said it then it was in my mind yeah exact i don't want to put myself right there again because
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i'm just moving it through over yeah you were like get out of here so no no i didn't say get out of it
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no like when he said you know i live down the road you called him out on it right did he say anything
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back to you before he left and i already said it and i my brain is already no you didn't say what
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he said he said you said yeah so let's just let's just leave it at that okay i want to move forward
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all right um i i will do a disclaimer about my my brain uh at the later that's fine my memory no
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that's fine works okay i understand so i have to put myself there visually yeah but i've already moved
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on so so now jeremy first of all as someone who spent time with you like i understand you don't have
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to keep explaining um you know your your the way that you interpret how your brain works or anything
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i get it no no i know but your audience doesn't know me that's okay okay i get it and if they've
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watched the movie um which by now they would have um they'll get a glimpse into who you are okay and how
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your brain works okay and i think they can appreciate it and i think uh you know just just so that you don't
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have to feel the need to stop and and address it all the time okay but you know i usually have a pen
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and paper because i i don't want to get off track when i answer your questions i hate it when people
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don't answer questions of course but i need to take you somewhere so that you really understand it
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you're pretty good at putting a pen in things okay so now here we are would you consider i've given you
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two now would you consider that overt i would consider that somewhere between covert and over right so now
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now we're there it was covert before it was over okay it became very overt yeah okay but so now i
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gave you one which is like the calls then i gave you one where the guy kind of starts off covert and
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then is over yeah now i've got another one for you to show you where the lines start blurring
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so let's say you're standing somewhere and somebody mark bumps into you and marks you let's just
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marks you we'll say i i'm okay i just want to be physically bumps into you physically bumps into you
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and like you know let's say put something on you that marks you let's pretend yeah it's a pin sure
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you're bumping you next thing you know you're wearing a pin okay so then later you come to
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understand the meaning of that pin right and so that is overt even though yeah nothing is quite said
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now so there's another version we're getting into the real covert yeah we got to look around our
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best just i'm making sure the camera's rolling i know so i'm giving you cover yeah okay i'm trying
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to be he's making sure the cameras are still rolling there's a brand new cameras chris ramsey
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that's right that the screen's gonna go out okay boom all screens going okay so so now we're kind
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of blending the covert over you know you said brass knuckles um sure people get beat up they get
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killed all the time for what they know that does happen and that's not just ufo related that's like
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we have in the mob there are thugs all over right but in the mob you get killed simply because you know
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something you will be murdered viciously to send a message but sometimes when people just vanish
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that is also a message to the people that need to hear the message
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poof you're gone you're mccaslin poof you're gone you're so and so poof you're a guy at los alamos
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you're gone poof you were working on a science thing and all of a sudden poof you're gone you're
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gone you're gone question is where'd you go now we find bodies sometimes question is is mccaslin a
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three body problem is because there were two others that people are linking to him in some weird kind
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of way and did it have anything to do with ufos i have no idea i'm not read into that but i'm just
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saying sometimes people vanishing is more of a message to those that need to know than if somebody
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gets killed so the worst thing you could do is um like stab dylan borland in the neck 20 times
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uh you know in public because then that would make a lot of questions so if you really were trying to
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hurt somebody yeah then the best way to do it is covert should make them go away no that's remember
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that's a big message oh it's a big message too right so it would be covert and the best way to get
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a result is to have people do it for you without them even knowing it how do you mean okay so you've
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got somebody that is mentally unstable and already dislikes chris rams we're gonna put it on you so
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you can feel it okay okay so this guy is a ufo fanatic and this guy is unstable and this guy
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fucking hates you chris okay easy this guy also has a history that history allows him to be close
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to intelligence but he fucking hates you and he ain't rap so teddy but that's why they chose him in
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the first place for other jobs you have to be a little bit of um sociopathic tendencies to be chosen
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not loose cannon they can't have that um ask that guy that was in prison from the cia um that dude
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who is famously a whistleblower about um murders or sorry about um torture what's his name come on man
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my brain um karyaku john karyaku something so this guy was famously cia and fbi tried to entrap him
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because he told the truth to the world that we were waterboarding and torturing people so he served
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out of choice four years in prison as a cia guy for you know disclosure going on the news of this fact
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because it was the right thing to do and he'd do it again right so kind of reeling me back in to the
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story about you so you've got somebody now that has close ties to intelligence who is not a loose cannon
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just has sociopathic um tendencies but is not sociopathic because you can't control those guys okay
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all that needs to be done is to instigate quietly poke prod in flame and then that person gets the
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bright idea to really hurt you right so now that person is as an emissary doing what's wanted by these
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intelligence agencies because he already doesn't like you already has significant training and just needs
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a little poke and prodding that's covert is that because you know those those type of psychological
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tactics you know is very reminiscent of like mk ultra uh type you know behavior as well so i've heard
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um is is there anything that leads you to believe that that is the case or is it a hunch no i know i i i
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know with 100 percent factual you were told outside of that person that this is happening
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by like some credible so the answer is yes okay hold on let me process the time dilation and if i can
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ever be clear on this yeah just let's pause the podcast right now i mean let's keep rolling but just
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let me pause sure i'm gonna speak freely but we need to check if this can be said sure okay you will
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check that with me yeah 100 okay so i'll speak freely ask my mom
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i was told by an agency yeah they brought a sincere credible and urgent threat to my life to me
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and so there's there's some i don't want to reveal certain words because then all of a sudden
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that's the agency you can imagine but so imagine i mean there's not too many agencies here imagine you
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have to sit down with your mom and your wife and because you've had to move twice because of threats
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to your life most of them overt yeah some covert like moving into my new house and having it show
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up in a tabloid called dirt.com okay so um and only two people know because you bought it in a blind llc
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and those two people over three years you found out for sure they didn't do it then you found out who
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paid the 300 to get that ad in there and that sucks because because then you realize america's
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not what you thought it was so let's reel it back so the person who paid for the ad is a member of an
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agency so i can't prove that right but that's your hunch i would say i would say i know okay i still can't
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prove that okay okay so but yeah whatever it doesn't matter sure um but but here's the deal but that's
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pretty significant yeah it's very significant to me in my understanding of the world but let's get back to
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the chris ramsey threat and my mom and my wife so you're sitting there and the fbi is informing you
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um and you're informing them too but then they sidebar your mom and they they they take that
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opportunity to tell her some truths right they don't want to say it necessarily right there with me
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but they kind of tell my mom what's up right and the thing is is that they really can't protect you
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because if there is an agency who is covertly pushing a psychopath to hurt you chris and you
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were told that by someone you trust meaning an agency that's supposed to protect you that's what
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we're talking about as far as like covert using people that is real i know that is real because i
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have personally experienced it but let's talk about the other witnesses and what's happened to them
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i mean i don't know where you want to go with this i mean am i making sense to you you're making sense
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definitely and you know i i guess for me it's um you know i'm sure many people feel this way as well
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you know they want they want specifics right when it comes to this stuff but i also understand that it
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gets sensitive around specifics because you know there are apparently lives at stake here and and and more than
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um you know more lives than than are publicly even disclosed and so that's a that's freedom of
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thought right is at stake freedom of speech is at stake sure matthew brown um his physical life before
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he went public oh yeah was um i would say it was very clear that the people didn't want him to come forward
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so when you say that yeah what do you mean by that because when i hear that i hear that a lot it was
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very clear and in the interview that you released with matt and both interviews with george as well
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um you it seems to be agreed upon between the three of you yeah that yes serious things have been
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implied and there has been sort of activity surrounding uh a threatening nature but we're
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we're always just told that we're never told the specifics is it because it's dirt is it like what
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is it that that they that they have that no there's no dirt on that no but what what i'm asking because
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i can only assume right and and it's always it always seems like oh they're definitely threatening but
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then we never get to hear like you know you said they called you and said we're gonna kill you
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that i understand yeah that's that's over that's as direct as it gets yeah um but a kid could do that
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yes but what i'm asking is at what point does it go from it's actually happening to you know from an
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outsider's perspective perceived paranoia oh yeah no yeah first of all a perceived threat is as important
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as a real threat because it feels the same sure okay so to the person oh absolutely you you need
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to be pronoid or are you going to get paranoid and you need to document everything fastidiously and
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check it with people who are not in your emotional state like your federal lawyer like for me it'd be a
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bunch of people right you also need to have evidence and proof and so you and you have to live that
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way and living that way means that every moment of your life unless you choose it to be is documented
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recorded audio video pushed up to the cloud spread out on servers encrypted and then spread out so
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anybody could see it if you ever say so or want them to so you you're saying that you have threats
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that are recorded bro or that people you know have threats let me recorded well first of all both
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okay is the answer okay i want to answer your question yeah okay and then let's move to my movie
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so you the movie opens with if i recall with a cia veteran yes so let me let me show you the shape
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of the orange cup now which i said was cia okay yeah told you you were good at putting pins and things
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well i have tools these are all tools for me to remember yeah you're good at that so my memory
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is this here's cia um so cia if you if if you if you meet with them and you know first they try to
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enroll you as a patriotic uh american okay but you're already enrolled you're already like i am
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you know i'm never going to hurt our country you know um i'm gonna do my best and if i up that's on me
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not on you sure okay they don't like that so much so then they're like well to enroll you they want
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to give you incentive okay so what does that look like it's transactional bro it's simple you know
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maybe ten thousand dollars a time now you have to understand too i'm a i'm a journalist so i have
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different rules that i have to play by and they have different rules in order to contact me so some
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some are like there's a six-month process for one agency they're supposed to be rules okay also cia
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ain't supposed to be operating on american soil no that's true right it is not true but it is true yeah
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but i mean that's supposed to be the nsa okay yeah you know more than i do so here we go i mean i you
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know i don't know i just know that's a fact so you know the thing is people will get paid just to go
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talk to somebody just by like memorizing the streets of a small town right like you know they'll they'll
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tell you we you know look for me i don't give a shit because i get paid x amount of dollars just to
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memorize streets when i'm here you know but when it comes down to money so cia is the most covert they're
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the most um i respect their methodologies because they never fully say what they're saying until they
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do so at first it's like enroll you if they can't enroll you because you're already enrolled you want
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to protect america you're a patriot you live here then they'll be like well you know people get paid
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you know it's a transactional thing but you're like oh but i'm i'm a journalist and so yeah 100
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100 and then like you know you don't even let people buy you a beer no yeah okay
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then when it gets heavier and they can't enroll you and they can't incentivize you the next thing they
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can do is make you uncomfortable so an example of that would be um you know you buy a house on a blind
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lc and then a magazine prints it okay and there's only two people on planet earth that know that
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you're associated with this property and you're moving because of a direct threat that has been
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proven to you and you were informed about that then if that doesn't work then the next thing is hey man
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we really want to look out for you and we are worried that just the bad guys you know like other
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foreign nations um intelligence people you know they might try to honey trap you man you know they
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might try to do this to you that to you but we you know we can like look out for you so you know let
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us know let us know if something ever occurs like that and then that they do that
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does try to occur you know people but you know you're on guard you got friends with you have to
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live that way so you got right they all eyes open you make a joke you say it out loud you
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fucking massage you know the whole thing you didn't read my profile you have to talk to me
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about my dogs first you're making jokes making jokes so then that's like oh you better report
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that to your lawyer like you know just the fact that someone was this close to you you got to
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report that to your lawyer you'd give that to doj fbi you'd go like that because you want everybody to
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know that happened now the question it and they affirm that that happened meaning you have your
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friend taking a photo of the instagram of the girl when she's talking to you so you then look
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at the instagram profile have her assumed name pass it on to doj okay so all of a sudden you've got
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that kind of weird honey trap thing where it's just somebody's trying to get to you real close to you
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that seems exhausting for me yeah yeah oh dude bro i'm done living like that so so that's part of why
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i told you i'm going to be free because i put my cards on the table all 52 chris
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i might hold one but that card ain't even supposed to be in the deck
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that card's right here chris hmm okay that one's not supposed to be in the deck so now
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the next thing that occurs because you ain't buying that because here's why tell me if you already
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thought this because if i can't operate on american soil but massad can and does
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then i might ask my friend to send their girl you tracking okay that happens every day and i'll
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finish it with this little honey pots not just that we're talking all types of actions so let me put it
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you like this there is an upside down and it is everywhere around you at all times
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and the people that have trained officially and are part of it know that it exists and it is the
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intelligence web that is constantly operating at high speed with time dilation i mean faster than you
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can think like actually 100 percent like when you're saying that you're not just speaking in
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hyperbole no i'm speaking of hyperbole oh there's no internet under the ground no but i mean time
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dilation no no no i'm not going into weirdo land okay i'm sorry whoa i gotta be careful i forgot we're
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talking ufo oh yeah i'm oh my 100 percent massively invested in weirdo land so i i so if you say if you
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say they're using time dilation i'm i'm pretty convinced of that fact myself no i have no idea
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all right you're not just entertaining my psychosis here no okay perfect i i'm outside of the scope
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of my knowledge base okay if i said that okay i have a theory base like we were talking theory right
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yeah i thought you were gassing up my um you know my insane mind right now for a second because i'm
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like this is what i want to talk about let's talk about time dilation i hope i'm throwing i hope you've
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got a fire burning in your brain and i'm going to try to put it out with gasoline right now so let's
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just finish this because this is way heavier than i wanted to start with yeah so i want to like reverse
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it you know moonwalk from z to a sure but i'll just finish this this is what you said the word hyperbole
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yeah this is i'm just explaining that that thank god there is an intelligence network that is operating
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at all times it's the upside down you don't see it and it's happening all the time around you and the
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only time it percolates to the surface or there's a puncture and you and you see behind that veil
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is unfortunately when you have to go into skiffs when you've been involved when you've had what i
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call badged contact because it's literally badged contact and they read your profile and they say i
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got to talk about my dogs you have to show them a video you can't just do that it has to be a video
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and then you could talk to him because he's a journalist and you know he probably has a perfect audio
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memory that can be transmitted at any time verbatim so just know that about him as well because he
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always takes phone calls on speakerphone for the last uh more than 11 years now and and and he's
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always talking on speakerphone so just know that about him so that's how you approach right so you have
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to understand and now you do is that there is an upside down and thank god there is and it's so
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important but the only time that we as normies see a penetration or a poke like the the ancient greeks
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used to say stars were hummingbirds that would poke holes in the firmament and that's what stars were
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right the only time you get to see that i get to see that is when it's too late when when you've already
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crossed the rubicon otherwise you have disbelief you have the word you said which is a weapon which
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is paranoia which i have never been one day in my life like the word conspiracy theorist is a is a
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dagger it's a weapon it's used to discredit you but we can use those funny terms and we can make ufos
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funny again because they should be i agree yeah so that that's just now that we've done the heavy
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thing yeah and you understand at least that i believe what i'm saying to be true now we can
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lighten up talk about time dilation yeah i mean yeah it's uh yeah thank you for sharing all that and i
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know i know it's well it doesn't seem easy to talk about and especially you know after watching the movie
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um first of all congratulations is a weird thing to say yeah uh but i didn't make the movie no i know
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but the michael lazowski made the movie well the movie is uh really good watch i i the art yeah the
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artistic choices that he made um were really in were really appreciated i appreciated them you always
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want facts you want specifics like sure i feel like in this movie the focus was more on the in-between
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moments and the in-between moments were put forward as the main moments and the main moments were kind
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of brushed aside and i think that that's a director or filmmaker's approach to trying to find the
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authenticity it is hard going in front of a camera and being authentic to say to someone hey just be
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real be authentic be yourself it's never been hard for me no but i mean in why is it hard but in general
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it is hard for people because people now you're conscious of the camera and so you become self
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conscious and all of this so one of the i get it yeah so a great way to go beyond that is you know this
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is something i had a i had a tv show we did one season of and i was the executive producer and the
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creator of the show and i remember we were doing some sort of hidden camera stuff because we wanted
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people to not hidden camera but we wanted people to act naturally with cameras around act naturally act
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naturally hilarious you know that exactly it is it is you can't be acting you just have to be no it is
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contradictory but just sort of you know that term just act natural yeah um which is hard for people
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to do if they're cognizant if the camera's around so what we would do is uh the camera would be filming
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and we noticed as soon as people yelled uh cut everyone would relax and then they'd be themselves
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and so we had a code word for cut instead of being someone else you had a code word for cut so we had we
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had a code word for cut so when we said cut it wasn't cut it was cameraman relax and look away
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while he's still filming and then we get the real moments because a lot of the moments we were like
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what'd you can you describe what happened in that magic trick and if the camera's there they go
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uh it was great uh so wow it was amazing you know and then we're like oh we can't use that
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we need authenticity and so we go all right we got it cut and then we go like wasn't that crazy they go
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oh my god that was so insane and they'd open up while we're filming sort of slouched and so what i'm
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trying to say with this is during this there were a lot of moments where you know there's a moment
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where you got very emotional where you're like you said that's okay years ago to me i did and you
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were like cut this out motherfucker you left and you left the room no in the to me and in this movie
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oh um and he left that of course of course he did and and me with tmz too but i also think that
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like aside from that there was also those in between moments with john lear hold on i said
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fuckers in a good way like i love you ryan at tmz you you left it in even though i was like are you
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sure you want so what happened with john lear yeah with john lear it was much of the same the first of
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all i didn't realize how much john lear enjoys eating until every 90 of that every scene was he
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was stuffing his face with something it was unbelievable he was either smoking a cigar or or
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eating and he was always when he's eating he's so consumed by what he's eating he's just like
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and he's and he's listening half listening he's like yeah and just back to back to food did it
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capture the movie did you see a glimpse of his laughter yeah yeah you did okay yeah yeah it's
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uh especially especially when um when he was asked um do you think you're nuts do you think you're crazy
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you know and yeah do you think you're nuts warm nuts yeah exactly and he kind of brushed it off and
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he's like no he's like i know these things to be real he's like other people might think i'm not
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he didn't rush off he said with absolute like pity on me yeah no yeah no yeah to him no but there's
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it was all real there's another laugh there's another laugh that he gets and i i don't know
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if michael put it in his movie but let's let's myopic this for a second let's split a hair
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um let's talk about michael for instance i've never been able to talk about this movie because it
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hasn't come out yet this is the first time that i'm talking about this movie and i don't know if
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i'm ever gonna talk about this movie right so i want to talk about this movie and about michael okay
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um one other thing you said that i put a mental pin in i want to come back to but
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so michael lazowski about being natural um so i wanted to ask you a question about being natural
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i learned something about a camera and i think that's what allowed me to never fear them
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hmm or never know just decline to admit them their existence because because i do and and you
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know me and i have a purpose and i use the camera like a weapon so if i go on a new show i use that
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time like a weapon and then i know the camera's going or whatever but it's never about the camera
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and there's a reason why there's a reason how i got there i want to tell you that but first quick
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question why do you think that a camera inhibits acting normally or whatever the word you said was
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sure acting yeah why do i authentically yeah rather than just being with it why does that lens do that
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to people because you become self-aware why is that a problem well it's it's it's only it's only a
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problem for people who are afraid of how they're being perceived exactly yeah so if you're why do we why
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do we have fear about the way we're perceived it's fear of not being loved okay hold on give me a my
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brain a second fear of not being loved okay is it also fear so yes and is it also fear of being
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hated and ridiculed same one in the same thing i consider the same thing yeah okay so we're saying
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the same thing yeah oh so agreed now we can move on yeah okay um so i mean that was a really nice
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thing to watch unfold is these in between moments uh there's a moment where john lear's stuck in the
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kitchen with his wheelchair is that my head and then you go on with the wheelchair so the reason why
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i don't fear the camera sure is because i learned from the first time i pointed it at somebody
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that in fact the opposite is true that sometimes when you put a camera on someone
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if it's that kind of person it's like a pressure valve the first time i opened a camera on someone
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they told me that they had never even told their wife or their family so my experience with a camera
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started for me on this end of it and i realized that that's the kind of person that i want to interview
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because i'm learning the stuff that is not supposed to be said or they felt it wasn't and it was like
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healing it's cathartic and i put that in a little box and i buried under the ground and and that
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person knows because hyperbole no really you really buried it i i buried my whole life okay
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i'm just making sure it's in the i know but finish the movie yes but that's what i'm wondering if you're
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are you referring to that as like a hyperbolic sort of anecdote or are you actually saying this
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is another thing i buried you're in alice of wonderland now and there's no hope okay remember
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lear said that so here's the deal with that is that healing thing and my being on this side i realized
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this camera is a passport but i also realized that you have to act the trick to being trusted is to
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actually be trustworthy the only problem with trust is it doesn't end once somebody trusts you
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you have to continuously reinforce prove it show the receipts and maintain it if you want a high
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level of trust that's why i always tell people if something i say sounds too fantastic well ask me
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right now no preparation and i will give you i'll show you the receipt but i brought i brought a
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different phone so i can't but anyway that is when me and my friends we have this joke we're all
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receipt and it's not because we don't believe each other it's because we need to know it's true
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um it needs to be reinforced like if if miracles happen chris and there is over 200 miracles
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and you know because you've had your own miracle in magic but you know that there's impact in the
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receipts you would collect those and you would create a book and you would tell the world so what
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i'm trying to say is that that relationship that i had to a camera and then where i said and i showed
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trust over and over and i buried it and i buried it and i buried it uh both hyperbole and not hyperbole at
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that time um what happens is that gets around so when i kept commander fravor's secret when i could
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have been the person to break that story in the big scale and everybody including fravor started telling
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everybody that kid kept my secret that spreads like a virus where all of a sudden everybody's got a
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contagion and that spreads and it's that this guy can keep his mouth shut because the biggest part of
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telling secrets is knowing how functionally and when to keep them so now with the camera situation
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sorted that we've just sorted here on area 52 you know i think that you should feel authentic in front
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of a camera and if you don't don't get in front of one because you can never take that back sure that
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is something you can never take back so anyway with that said now go back to your say in a funny moment
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well i mean that's an interesting you provide an interesting perspective i think into your
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personality as well because all you know you're clearly someone who has an ability to you have the
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gift of gab whether you think so or not you have the ability to tell a story in a very entertaining manner
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in a cadence that demands people's attention it's a you know when you speak you have this rare ability
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where people lean in they do okay and some people and this is for the people out there listening some
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people might think that's only for the camera because it's the only time you get to see jeremy
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corbell gotcha uh but i've seen jeremy corbell without the camera and i think everybody who has met jeremy
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outside of camera land understands that you're the exact same person yeah this is you off camera too
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um but it might be mistaken for a lot of people to think oh this guy's being insincere he's playing a
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part no that's jeremy jeremy's being who he is on and off camera i can't be i have not been able to be
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someone other than yeah and i can i can confirm that since i've known you like that's that's been who
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you are and it's it's a quirk that i've come to appreciate it's a quirk it is a quirk oh my lord it is
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this is too much self-reflection no you definitely watch your podcast you definitely you definitely
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have quirks uh but you know it's an endearing quality i think in my in my eyes um but regardless
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there is enough of me glazing you here there's uh there is uh there is a there is a a very endearing
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quality to this documentary regardless of like you know we spoke about this before i watched it you're
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like you said something to the effect of the first hour is just so you know who i am kind of deal and
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then the last half hour is like that's that's the stuff that's what i think i didn't make the movie but
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when i had to watch it and endure it yeah you know i felt like and you should ask michael
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fucking michael is when it made it but like it felt to me like he was just trying to make sure people
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understood that i mean what i say and i say what i mean and that i'm worthy of your trust i'm
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trustworthy and then i realized that towards the end he shows you some and i think it's important
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and i think that's why he set up the movie like that but you're gonna have to ask him sure because
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for me i don't have the same experience yeah there's there's a there's a few like really interesting uh
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artistic choices as well the lighting the music like okay so let's pick one so like i noticed the
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hands right so at one point um i throw my hands up as a young kid and he cuts immediately to the
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same position and i was like i was like what did i just see and i'm like that kid's like putting some
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stuff in there yeah there's a lot of a lot of footage to sift through to find that he's a master
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filmmaker and that's what i realized he's a i've been through a process with him i i said michael there's
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no way he's like can i just have the drives i'm like i ain't gonna trust you you come into my life
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my side i'm not gonna trust you my wife's all you gotta trust somebody and and she was right trust
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is a choice the first time after that it's it's repeated so i gave him 20 years of footage and 99.9
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i never put out that kid has seen it all except for what i didn't give him sure what was buried well
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i didn't give him stuff but i gave him 99 of it so he watched it all so when i told him a story
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and he's like no way he'd come back to me he goes dude it was cooler than you remembered check this
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out and i was like what the so i gave him 20 years of my footage then he stuff started happening and
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he's like dude we got to turn on the camera fresh i'm like i said we're not doing that and then he's
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like we got to turn on the camera fresh i'm like i got to trust you it was a trust exercise so that
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kid i just want to not get off him yet michael lazowski right out of afi i think is the term like
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you know probably top of his class because he's an overachiever um sincere sweetheart but a very
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powerful man family good human worthy of your trust i only put one and i'll let him say i put
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one restriction on him for the movie and i like leaving things undone so you stay curious and you
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should ask him what the one condition i had was for him to make and use my 20 years of footage
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when you talk to him sure okay yeah um there's a few there's a few choices there as well that
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you know i found really interesting as as as someone who knows you um one was
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you know he didn't cut around the fact you're cracking beers during this movie and you know someone
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in your position might be like hey man can you cut a few of those out i feel like i'm drinking a lot
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of beers on camera really yeah maybe but i think it shows once again just who you're building you're
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taking care of houses you're cracking a beer you're fixing stuff you know you're you're walking your
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dog it shows you it shows your mom your relationship with your mom um you know how close you guys are
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clearly that comes across as well how much she cares about you how much you care about her that's
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very very apparent i love her i love my whole family yeah and it's it's very very apparent and so
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it was it was these small glimpses and and and they weren't i think what i i think what a relief to
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me watching it was they weren't all flattering okay and i think that i think that that's good okay no i
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know that to be good because the last thing you want is a puff piece right you know if you like oh
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that's not real no that's not real correct exactly and this really showed it really showed all the
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parts so i was really i was kind of really appreciative watching it from that lens to
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being like oh yeah that's chairman now i gotta kill the guy or what what do you know okay no you gotta
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thank him no i i'm yeah i'm gonna thank him with action um okay let's get into first of all i do
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want a sidebar go back to that pin that i put uh john lear we got a whole map which pin john lear
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playing bumper cars in the kitchen was one of the one of the highlights for me when you know it
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is sad because you see his decline uh you were there with john lear through you know his unfortunate
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you know decline well we all decline yeah we do but it is it takes we're lucky it takes strength to
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to be there you know and you see you're fluffing up the pillows for him when he's shirtless on the
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couch and you know all these uh type of moments yeah you know that must have been that must have
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been kind of difficult to to witness and and and sit through well i loved john lear i love john lear
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he was a true friend to me in the capacity that he could be he was limited in some ways
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um what really hurt was but but what really hurt was that i was his least favorite human on planet
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earth at least he tried to pretend i was i probably was but i might be a little delusional about that
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um towards the end and it made me really sad because even when we were friends he'd get really
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mad at me and like yell you know and i couldn't find the voice messages for michael's and one thing i
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couldn't find um but he would because you know everything in the movie you see is actual that
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was the first time i drove to his house was we put the first time in because we said we're showing the
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first time so that was kind of i'm going to give you a hint that was kind of the only condition
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is it i guess i'm just going to say it and see if michael agrees but i'm going to tell you
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you may not do any movie magic you may not put anything in there that isn't 100 accurate and true
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that is down to the voice message of him telling me to get philly titans because now now you're
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starting to understand me for a second here before i started filming with john for some reason i was
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recording almost every word that came to me at all times not a good way to live bro but that's how i
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have that message from john so now you're getting a little insight into what i had said earlier back
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here in time today is that everything in that movie is exactly as i as i say it and as you see it and
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that was the only thing about michael because the thing about me with movies i've always wanted to make
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one that with people i want to make one that seems real and is real but has a weird undertone of the
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perforation and the hummingbirds touching the firmament to look like stars but i've never done that
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because i started with a movie called patient 17 and i was shocked very shocked then then i started then
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i went in on the you know skinwalker movie which is perplexing and then lazar so i've never been able to
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make that movie i want and i think i'm done making movies right but michael's movie because it was
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partially my movie because it's my footage it has to be honest brutally everything accurate authentic
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and honest did he achieve his goal did he get it did michael get it was he honest are you asking me
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yeah i'm asking well i don't know right that's for you to know well i know it seemed honest but maybe
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you'll find out yeah no absolutely there there is a i remember one part that i really liked too was
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this character that john lear had been chatting with the the guy who told him about the afterlife
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i forget uh the mr mr sleeper that's right was it mr sleeper or that's a sleeper or whatever it was
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i like that yeah i don't know uh sleeper by the way he is an absolute sweetheart sure i feel kind of bad
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that's the one part of the movie i feel kind of bad about because what michael didn't say in the
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movie he told what i felt right he told that i thought that it was a lot it was a lot of knowing
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i think a knowing lie yeah but sometimes like husbands and wives they say these little pretty
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lies to make the other and the other one knows that they're lying so lear is dying yeah and lear
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knows he's gonna die and he's telling him you're gonna go to heaven sleeper gave him a ticket bro
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sure he gave him a ticket so i felt like that was a knowing lie i hope that's how the movie portrays
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it because what happens is in reality too sleeper is a really the limited exposure i have to very
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amazing authentic sweet human and he's not a liar he's not a liar so when that thing came up in that
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movie it made me kind of squirm but i'm kind of going like well that's true too so i just wanted to
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caveat that before your audience is going to see it so i got a caveat that which is that
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when i that really ungrounded me and in comes the anchor like the news anchor who's an anchor
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and a totem pole yeah george mother yeah right after that um i was just going to say there's a
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moment where that guy where you set the camera and you have him walk into the hotel and sit down
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and then he immediately he goes how was that was that good you're like yeah that was great seemed
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really natural and that stayed in and it's those moments that i really liked about this documentary
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but i do that too it's like um i make sure like i give somebody what they're looking for so i don't
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think that says a lot about him being uncomfortable i think no no no more that no i just sure i got
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yeah of course i just like that the the artistic choice of leaving that in versus starting on the
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talking head understood sorry did you start on the talking head that's what everybody does
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and he had him walk in sit down and be like did you get it yeah we got it and then nothing that's
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what we're talking about and then we cut out his entire interview all we took was the authentic walk
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in the sit down the trying to act normal and that's it and i i thought that was really uh endearing
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and so it's those little moments that i really enjoyed michael yeah he's he's great yeah it's a
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great choice it was a it was a refreshing take on on you know you you watch ufo documentaries you think
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you know what you're going to get it's not at all what i thought and i liked i liked the surprise um
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there you know there's all this going on yeah there's the edgar mitchell stuff which i thought was
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really interesting um you know you kind of see that back and forth banter slightly between edgar
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mitchell and john lear and you know the mutual respect which he talks about but also this sort
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of like disagreement on the moon landing for obvious reasons um which which is interesting uh you have um
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you know um what's his face colonel john alexander and with lear eating and lear's eating wearing a
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tinfoil hat at the atomic testing yes and in the back oh yes it's it's it's it's lear and and
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alexander not lear and mitchell that's right yes and and we get yeah it's it's lear and colonel
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john b alexander yeah and lear's there as an agent provocateur with a top hat that's like a fedora
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it's a top hat that is a tinfoil hat at the atomic test museum and somebody says something like is
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there food here so he's eating because that's that's the truth that's what was going on and then
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if you look really closely tell me if i'm wrong world but i think i believe there's just one glimpse
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and also because i just haven't watched the movie much but i believe nick pope is sitting far away
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at a table sitting there and i believe i believe that maybe his first or one of his first that was
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my first encounter of ever seeing or meeting him if it was that time and man he was in this bathroom
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before and he was so nervous and and i had never met him so i'd seen him before obviously so he must
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have been out there but he was so nervous and i look at him and i go bro are you nervous i dream of
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this words just come out my mouth what a cool moment and you said jo you said um edgar mitchell
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time dilation i don't know what you saw in that movie but what you didn't see was oh i don't know
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um the hour and a half phone call where he made me sit in a room with his psychic on the telephone
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edgar mitchell's psychic yeah edgar mitchell had a psychic and he talked to her weekly and there's an
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hour and a half which he knew was being recorded as an hour and a half of me sitting there and the
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psychic who felt like a charlatan to me was trying to convince him i was the reincarnation of his son
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who had passed away oh my god bro it's on tape play the tape back moonwalk zeta i'm just saying there's
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a compression i'm sorry i keep cutting you off i'm just really pumped up on this coffee again is this
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atomic yeah it's uh what's the uh what's the old paint they used to use iridium yeah
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um yeah that's interesting i mean there's a lot of those little moments that are kind of cool because
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you see glimpses people don't really realize how involved you were with documenting ufo personalities
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um you you know you get to see a lot of colorful personalities come in and out of uh john lear's
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home uh you know which is really you know kind of shed some light on you know the the figures in this
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community but also you see a small glimpse of your interview with oscar wolf oh yeah you see a little
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handshake a little handshake and most people don't know that you filmed that right because i think if
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i'm not mistaken that was uh richard dolan's uh richard dolan was on camera with oscar wolf that's
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right because he was and is a thoughtful authority figure absolutely and nobody knew my face and so we
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were like damn what do we do we need somebody who knows who can ask smart questions because i'm
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i didn't know what to ask the guy what a great opportunity yeah and it was reuben langdon who set
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that all up and reuben langdon did the citizen hearing on disclosure in 2013 he is the the force
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behind it he is the producer the citizen hearing a lot of people you know point credit to a bunch
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of people for it no it was reuben langdon reuben langdon literally went bankrupt because of
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misappropriation of funds and everything that was going on came to me like a life raft said dude i need
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help i need a brother like we are in a bad situation i am losing everything and i said as long as your past
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interactions don't harm me in any way i will i got you bro but you we need to literally sign a document
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that says none of this will spill over to me and you know i have my businesses my life my livelihoods
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all this stuff i'm not ufo land can wait reuben langdon is the unsung hero of the citizen hearing
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and oscar wolf so he is a guy with a story and people will see that interview online right and it
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is richard dolan because he's a badass gangster knows what he's talking about and is also heartfelt
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that does the interview yeah and yeah for those who don't know about this interview you should
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definitely go check it out but this is the one that danny sheehan refers to as well about this
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gentleman being on his deathbed oh yeah and you know saying that he was at s4 he spoke he saw an
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alien he saw uh what he perceived to be some type of extraterrestrial on the other side of a glass
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and um and you know had had uh cue cards with questions on him and whatnot like this whole he
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went underground at s4 there was floating ufos or i don't i don't recall my memory okay i don't recall
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but let me tell you something people don't know it's a more important part this has never been said
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that i know of um maybe i've said it before but um what people don't know if they don't know i i
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filmed that what they also don't know is that he was like on dialysis or something like that for his
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kidneys that's what was killing him that he didn't have very long to live or talk in weeks or something
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it was told to us like this is the last chance and it was like a family member of his who kind of made
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it work his wife violently did not want him to do this interview because of her religion
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and what happened was this guy gets up out of his dialysis i think it was dialysis out of this thing
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where he needs a machine we get him in the room he does this interview and goes right back to the hospital
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type situation he was in so think about this this guy is going to gain nothing you know unless he's
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a plant trying to confuse it and they're like we're going to hurt your family if you die if you don't do
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it that's always an option okay but i believe from knowing the guy for this much time and being in that
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room that he told it like he experienced it and knew it and that even being an older guy with health
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problems he was sharp as a dagger and i can attest to that i tested him he's sharp as a dagger and he
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went against the wishes of his most beloved for the fundamental reason of religion she was against it
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her religious views and he is there and he does the interview that's his mic drop then he dies that is
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one deathbed confession that saw the light of day now i've been in many of those exact experiences
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and some people are not dead and other people are dead and yet it is not appropriate
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nor did they ask me to put stuff out that's just buried and here's why let me just defend myself
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because people are gonna be mad right now if that's if what i'm saying is true which it is people would be mad
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what people might not yet understand until the words are spoken and hopefully they do is that
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when somebody tells you a secret and tells you to keep it secret unless you can't anymore then you do
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just that you you keep it secret tell you c-a-n-t can't okay because it's not just the person talking
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and to be sorry i'm gonna bring it out of dr seuss world right now be very direct with you
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if people have access to the closest guarded secret in human history that has been held back from the
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american and global public since they could hold it back ufos what they represent what they're a part of
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if somebody has close proximity to that a you'll never know their name publicly good try never b
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they will be quiet they will not be the ones you expect and there's a reason they're put in that
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position because they are worthy of your trust they are trustworthy and usually if it's military
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they were born into that position because their fathers were trusted with this secret and sometimes
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their father's fathers were trusted with a secret now here's the rub that person dies
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you know they procreate and you know that their kin are also in a position of trust so you release this
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and i get chills right do you understand does your audience understand i'm sure they do so sometimes
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to tell secrets you need to keep certain ones right
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yeah that's interesting the the the nepo situation in the legacy program what does that word mean nepo
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yeah nepotism nepotism is getting something um basically based on a relationship
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so you're getting ahead in life yeah but sometimes people are highly qualified to receive that of course
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of course but but for the most part you know sometimes better than their dads at acting yeah
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sometimes but sometimes you know it's it's it doesn't hurt it's a bit of a derogatory term
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that people use that's what i feel in that yeah it not always but sometimes it is i think so okay
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you have to live in someone's shadow is what i say we say terrestrially yeah sometimes they're
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big shoes to fill we say terrestrially right yeah sure but sometimes people that are doing that
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they're just all they're seeing is their own big ass shadow thinking it was their daddy's and that's
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the thing i've noticed i got a musician friend and his dad's got a gigantic
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shadow bro and so this musician guy you know was kind of thought he was living in his his father's
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shadow but indeed he's now realized thank god that it was his own big ass shadow and so now you're
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going to hear his voice again yeah nice um okay like let's go back to you oh i want to go back to
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you if i certainly want to go back to ufos um am i derailing you no okay no i like this i like the
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train yeah i like dynamic conversations and some people but we're not being sporadic right i don't
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know who cares okay but i just i hope that you know we can have a logical straightforward conversation
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we can have any type of conversation we want don't worry about it whatever your audience
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to to to be quite frank in the words of um rick rubin the audience comes last right did he say that
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yeah what a genius because you know you got to think about the task at hand you got to think
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about what you're doing what you're passionate about all that stuff after you do that right if
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you do that the audience will love it hopefully right but even if they don't it has to mean something
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to you for you to do it so this is rubik's cube bro yeah he's he's uh he's got some good thoughts um
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so okay and love the audience by the way yeah yeah i'm not trying to be a dick to the audience i think
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they paid for this set bro unless it was a billionaire you're not telling us ramsey no definitely not i
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know um you mean you self-made you mean daddy teal no daddy let me ask you something so your brain
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yeah that i'm seeing outside of the closed skiff here uh your brain that i have been uh beholding
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for more than 20 or almost 24 hours sure okay like you created this you weren't like beast you net to
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neil but you're not a neo baby nepo a nepo baby you're not a nepo baby no it might be a neo baby but
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not a nepo baby so all of this is your brain and and you're gonna say and the the team of people i work
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with and yeah mostly mine i'll say mostly mine impressive to see what you've created
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don't thank you thank you and i won't as long as uh my creative passion keeps getting fulfilled
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okay and my my love for being creative is is renewed then i will continue being creative and passionate
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but as soon as uh as soon as that ends you gotta you gotta change gears change gears yeah like i did
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you know going from magic to puzzles to this but you never left that gear behind i've left some gears
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behind it might seem that way for you to people no no i i know i know you've never no to me it's
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it's the same trajectory exactly yeah so these are all manifestations of a singular thing that all those
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things were born from but here you are in this skiff now i love it dude but enough about me this is
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this is the pro interviewer who turning it on me i thought you said we're just talking we are just
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talking um but i do have a lot of questions about this movie okay i'll let you get to one point i
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mean which you know there's a lot of footage of bob lazar in this movie as well that i've never seen
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which was really interesting and you know there's that moment where you're in the woods with bob
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mm-hmm and bob go and you ask him flat out you know did you have a piece of 115 yeah and bob says
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i did tell me about that day oh okay well first of all bob said that a bunch already that's nothing
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new and i think that's you know funny if people think so um bob's told you it's it's all over
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everywhere at one point if you believe bob lazar he had a piece and how we know that is george knapp
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is a witness to that in the the the container that the 115 was held in um was on the mantle
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of one of the interviews that george knapp did as like an easter egg it was next to some aerogel
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and there's no secret that bob had a piece of 115 at one point right um he even at one point um
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i think george has told this story but at one point uh they did analysis a cloud chamber test
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just to see if bob bob was curious he's like can i get a reaction in a cloud chamber test to see if it
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actually does bend a laser it does bend light i mean this is straight out of that movie with like val
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kilmore um genius real genius do you remember that 80s movie no i don't you're welcome so you're welcome
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real genius the movie so this is straight out of that so lazar does a test right um it is no secret
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that at one time bob bizarre had obtained a piece of 115. so yeah in in the movie where i fast forwarded
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there's a lot that the world will never hear i don't think unless bob says it but like there's no secret
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in that so you asked me about that day though and that's a can so let's just open it okay
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so i'd been filming with bob a bunch but that wasn't easy we're not going to get into that
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one day he says are you coming out or not essentially and i was like yeah yeah i'll come
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out to michigan let's do that but i didn't want to ask and then get denied so i really carefully just
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took my one camera and i put it underneath all my clothes and i went out there and it's like this
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really awkward thing and i'm there it's late at night and there's joy and the pups and we're there
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and i'm in the living room i remember this and then finally i just said bob like why why am i here
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and he goes what do you mean and i'm like are you gonna let me now turn on the camera so that the
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world can hear from you and not the about you from other people he goes of course that's why we're
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here and it was this weird thing where i had become friends with him but i didn't want to
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disrespect that moment i wasn't sure why it's obvious i guess now so i had my camera my one or
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two cameras and we filmed on that particular trip you're asking about was like a breakthrough it was
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like he was ready to throw down for himself and you have to rewind the tape bro i mean he had never
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talked like he did in that room with me and john lear he had never asserted himself in that way on
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camera i know there are vehicles not made on earth i know they're made from a material we cannot
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duplicate we cannot replicate and we never have been able to now he goes i was inside one now i was
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inside one blah blah blah blah blah that had never existed on camera i'm not sure it existed in him
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yet that assertiveness that pissed offness anybody that knows bob knows that he is a fighter he is a
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really strong human stronger than people know but because he's bob which only means someone to someone
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that knows him because he's bob he doesn't feel the need he doesn't feel the need to prove to
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shit to you no he really doesn't care no he doesn't care but you only know that because you know him
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so now there i am and we're we're doing it which you know which means like fourth of july we take my
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cool ass drone that i brought and we try to explode it you know with like fireworks but then
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we walk into the woods and you know woods meaning like on his property there and this was the day
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before i left which is important we'll get back we'll get back to that first whole day i filmed with
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him by the way um my car just uh took a that night and it's never to be retrieved again i tried for six
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months so you know that's kind of funny right first entire day of course at his labs yeah yeah
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took a shit never get it back and when i say took a shit i'll tell the truth i think i hit delete i
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was so nervous that night oh no and just yeah i deleted it so there you go truth's out nobody asked
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so i never had was that really you or was that something acting through you you know bro it worked
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out perfect it did work out yeah so we're in the woods and just real talk you know um got a camera
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you know put the phones way way way way far away we talked about a lot of stuff and that's for bob
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to talk about not for me to talk about but it was like an insurance policy you know i i believe you
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have to ask him if he wants to even talk about it so there's nothing that you see in my movie bob
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bizarre if you want to find sausage you see this sped up if i recall like i don't think i've watched
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the movie since i put it out but that clip and others i've put out that were kind of hit the
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cutting room floor as they used to say right but bob acknowledging he had 115 he's done acknowledge
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that a thousand times other people have been other people were there they've all talked about
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that's not news bro but what people should understand is what happened next because it's real
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and it happened and if you don't understand that you're not seeing reality what happened next is
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i film for another day and we're at his um store call it like it is a laboratory and a store
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it was in michigan and i pack up the camera say goodbye get on the plane get home i arrive at burbank
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airport it's late really late so i go stay at my mom's place in encino and all of a sudden my phone
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starts going bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang like that just like crazy text i
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fucking told you jeremy it was gene huff i told you this would happen i told you this would happen
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and like george knapp being like motherfucker i told you this would happen motherfucker because
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they're protective of bob and then there's this guy saying like talk loudly talk loudly bam bam bam bam
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bam bam get some photos photos are of an fbi raid i'm in the bathroom like all that stuff that's
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real i didn't make that up for my movie and everybody said that everybody said i staged an fbi raid for my
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movie then they found out it was a real fbi raid it was a multi-agency raid
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then they said well they weren't looking for 115. totally unrelated nothing to see here move on
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okay except i know that factually to be true that that was what they were looking for how you're gonna
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have to ask bob and then if he wants to tell you he'll tell you okay but um essentially
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covert because that was the second time they raided bob's house at least at least right
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because in new mexico they raided they raided him and the the the reason that they gave was like
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um shipping of of hazardous materials however has bob ever told you a joy ever told you that
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the reason they were able to do that was because they were being do-girders and said well we got
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this company and we're shipping all of these things and we might as well file the paperwork because
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i think there's a new law coming they were ahead of the curve yeah and that exposed them to the
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opportunity to raid them under that you see the word okay so then now so i'll put it i am convinced
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that it was for element 115 it's not a retraction it's a refinement i am convinced and there's reason
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for me to be convinced now just talk to bob about it see what he wants to say but i'll tell you this
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what he wants to say is they gridded off every three feet of his place space they were really
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going through stuff put it that way they even mirrored his computer which was very interesting to me and bob
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i'll leave it there so now they mirror his computer
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still people are saying i don't want to believe i don't want to believe is what they're really saying
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they're saying he got raided because some chick died because of some material and this guy was a
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client he might have the client list if you talk to anybody in the fbi which i called a bunch of
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friends in the fbi and i asked them is this usual nope is this normal nope is this protocol nope you
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just what you do is you walk in and you say hey mr lazar there was somebody that died from a super heavy
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element or not you know sorry died from a rare element that is toxic and we see that you know you on
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your site you sell this but by the way it's this tiny little sliver that couldn't hurt a fly like
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in these little collectors packs right that you can buy anywhere so you call them and you say can i
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have the list of your clients and what exactly what they ordered that are associated with this federal
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case and then lazar goes of course of course you can right that's not what happened they locked his
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shit down with in a tiny ass town way smaller than your snow globe way smaller and they locked that
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shit down and they tore it apart they went through everything mirrored his computer it's like beyond
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overreaction it was a it was a message it was a message to him because they knew for sure that like
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if he ever did have possession he would never have it in michigan right you know what i mean so so there
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you are now people still didn't believe but there was what they call an assisting um report of local
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where they're assisting federal and if you look at that report what you're going to find out
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was the day before and the day of both his home and his business had the opportunity to be surveilled
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hmm something happened that day in those woods that didn't make sense until you play the tape back you
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know like in your mind so so my point is that day you asked i just described to you that day that's
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what it was it was a realization moment for all of us for me for george knapp for bob because the
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hilarious thing that you don't see is um later in the woods in that footage i don't think you ever see
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this um he go i go bob are you like worried at all for your like personal safety and and maybe i'll
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find this clip now and i could put this out if bob says okay but basically you know he says no i just
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my life has been great it's been smooth sailing i love my life i don't want any disruption i just want
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peace um i think they've forgotten about me which is good because i'm not doing i don't want to be involved
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that was like that sentiment was recorded yeah at the very end of that in the forest i've never put
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that out holy was he wrong was he wrong and we all who when we love somebody we care about them as a
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friend we all want them to have what they want if it's good for him and for lazar it's peace right so
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the worst thing he could do is let somebody make another movie about him it's the worst thing he could
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do or is it the best thing that he could do and i'm going with that yeah i think i think you know
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this is his final attempt to just be like here's everything that i'll ever give you at all like
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let's get it all out of the way let's go into the base i'll reconstruct the base for you the ship
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everything well i'll tell you what these people look like i'll do this i'll do that i'll just give you
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everything that way you can just leave me alone and you know that he's wrong yeah because it's just
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going to make people more hungry oh uh come on bro you know that's true well or not i i so i see it
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both ways i do see how of course you do he would once you give it all up you think to yourself well i
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can't give you anymore of course that's going to make people hungry of course that's going to stoke
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the flame of people's curiosity but i also think it's a valiant effort on his behalf and a very brave
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step to take uh to a relive everything uh b dig it up and let people go through it again
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and and c try to go on with his merry existence um you know post releasing um a massive you know
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sort of project about about his life um will this be good for him i wish nothing but that
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for bob will it be good for him i think bob knows
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that and this is before the movie comes out yeah we're going to know by the time this airs if it was
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good for him as a human bob's a smart guy i think he knows there's a storm coming there is a storm
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coming and um yeah i think he knows that and i think he's uh you know like we'll we'll definitely
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see what happens but you know there is no better antiseptic than daylight in a lot of these cases and
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and that's bob's number one reason for coming out in the first place in 1989 was george
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exactly just put it out there and i think that's his way of doing that again in a way that like also
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appeases people who just uh nag him for more information perhaps appeases a lot of the skeptics
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out there who had questions about certain aspects of the story he doesn't care about that no but also
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you know good riddance if if that's the case and if they're uh they'll never be satisfied but if
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some of them you know end up if i could say this you know and the movie's been as people have seen
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it but anyone on the fence anyone on the fence at this point watches that movie and goes oh no i
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haven't seen it yeah and i don't know and you will see it i know but anyone on the fence is now you
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know you've no reason to be on the fence anymore okay that's cool if the movie does that yeah but
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that's my greatest fear for bob yeah my fear is that more people will believe him yeah because
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it's true and my joke is oh bob look what if everybody did believe you how horrible that would
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be horrible for you because the questions will never end i i do hope that he maintains a sense of um
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bobness you know in the sense of like he has what he needs which is peace like i don't think he gives a
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flying fuck what you believe i know that's true and so i anyway just look um but all this is in the
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past because the movie's already out time dilation and uh and it's already out there and and and bob's
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doing well yeah you know yeah we could say that because we're in the future now and bob's doing well
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um i can relate to it in the sense that the only reason i'm letting this movie come out
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mm-hmm is because i believe in this movie you're talking about your movie yeah yes no i'm talking
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about the movie about me oh yeah right that michael made sure so i'm just um i think the reason to do
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it is so that um it's all out there it's honest it will leave people with big questions and they should
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be asking those questions well it's not all out there right you did hold some cards close to your chest
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and one card well there's a few okay i want to yeah well i want to get to that as well um
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obviously the culmination and the pinnacle sort of moment the the critical mass of this movie the
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where where it ends up peaking is you dig up this lab this this usb key you plug it into your laptop
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now you're sitting in some abandoned park you crack open the laptop i remember and now we get to see
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and here's the interesting part too this is a little subtlety to you know how guarded you are about this
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information we're only seeing an over-the-shoulder view from the camp we're not seeing the actual footage
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um you didn't i assume give access to that footage to anyone which is why you're there showing it on
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camera on your laptop versus you're wrong you do see some footage in the movie you just forgot oh you
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see the whole footage i thought it was just cropped in sort of no no you see some some you see some
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no you you see the footage but and it's not about the footage yeah but you don't do you see the actual
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file yeah yeah you see you see clips of like let me give you an example okay because um oh yes you
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do okay yeah i'm remembering now my bad because a lot of it was like sort of over the shoulder but
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then there are some things you punch i think it goes back in and it gives you what you think you want
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right so okay let me start this again you're at the park bench you crack open the laptop you put
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the usb key in now we're seeing this massive trove of files that you've been collecting uh all sorts of
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very interesting file names i must have paused it 12 times to just look at the names of the files
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did you notice how i am dyslexic and misspelled the word three times i did not anyway i did
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i'm like and the the funny thing was this no don't change anything it has to be true and and and so
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yes continue i'm with you i'm remembering it um a lot of very intriguing footage now my question to you
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is does this footage also come out when this movie does oh weird question hold on let me wrap my brain
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around that for a second no okay because
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some of it was a first of all we're talking about footage so when we've missed the mark
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so let's no i want to i want to talk about the footage first okay so the footage yeah you should
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have recognized some of it already i have yeah okay so that tells you that some of it was worthy
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of public discourse you would see nothing that would harm national security even in especially in a movie
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yeah okay will more full versions of some of what you've seen come out yeah unless i'm
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fucking stopped okay that is my intent as a journalist with george is to put out everything
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we can because there's some interesting stuff there obviously yeah yeah oh yeah but but part of this is
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a shield like i'm trying to practice journalism in america i have been very clear with every agency of
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concern that as journalists we believe we are living under the the first amendment right and we
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also believe that we have been pretty trusted because we haven't fucked up and we don't intend to
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and that we have a methodical multi-year process not just to protect sources which is the a number one
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things protect the source especially when they do not but it is also like protect america but it's also
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like the truth matters and that's our duty as journalists so george and i did make a decision
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and you actually got to see the moment that decision was made that was real that happened just like you
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saw it and we made that decision so yes chris ramsey of course after the movie comes out
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whatever you had glimpses of if we can make sure that it's um worthy of public debate yeah then as much
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there is of that will come out but you're seeing the tip of an iceberg of course but i want you to
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know that i want everybody to know that because i need to make sure everybody believes that i live
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in america under the first amendment being a journalism uh being in journalism because um it's not just
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videos that are important nope there's also a text file that i thought was really important as well
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yeah you paused the screen didn't oh yeah oh fuck i knew people were gonna do that yeah and and there's
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a there's a note on the bottom of that uh shot as well which is um i forget what it says but it's
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something like to be discussed or okay i don't know what you're talking about you're talking about at the
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beginning where um i got a whole fucking treasure trove from no no that i saw because uh from the
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los alamos stuff i saw john b alexander's name on there right because he highlighted to make sure i saw it
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yeah but if you look at those documents um understand the premise sure i get stuff all the
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time yeah and i am not qualified as my lawyer would say to understand its value or not value um
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sensitivity so i have to take time to make sure that i do no harm right that happens all the time
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to me i have become a guy that people do that now when a package comes torn it makes me wonder so i have
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to verify that everything is exactly as is because then that just means it got torn in the way there
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or it's been read and by who by our government who is our you know who it's our government or by an
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adversarial government right so there we go i get a package now this is from the person who is head of
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cyber security at los alamos national laboratory when they died um his son mailed something to me and
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that's what you see at a beginning early scene in the movie and that that's real yeah the aerial
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anomalies and atmospheric atmospheric anomalies was one tiny little file thing tucked away which is what
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the old schoolers used to do is they took their ufo files and used to call them atmospheric anomalies
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which is pretty cool yeah what uh howard menzel would call yeah sure but anyway so then you're talking
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about something else that i am not tracking that was in the movie because i think you missed something
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well i'm talking about at the end there's another file right was it kind of like gold or was it kind
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of like yeah paper yeah yeah did you read the words oh yeah okay talk and um it's it's it's it's alluding
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to a cleanup yes sir of an a of alien bodies uh alien bio yeah i'm not sure what it said yeah it didn't say
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body no no biosynthetic organisms exact words yeah there's a word in there that's really tripping me
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out yeah symbiotic symbiotic that's right yeah they were afraid that the aliens that the biosymbiotic
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alien whatever had infiltrated the local population which is inc is such a sci-fi thing to read what
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does the symbiotic relationship mean yeah you get something and you give in return and you're both
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kind of uh you're both getting something out of the relationship is that thing that goes into the
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grasshopper i think and takes over its brain and makes it go drowned that's not symbiotic no that's
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parasitic oh thank god yeah i would say symbiotic would be more like the hippopotamus and those little
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birds that live on its back where they're both benefiting mutually beneficial for survival that's right
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is that right yep if we looked at dictionary yes yeah that would be accurate thank god yeah yeah um
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so that what i also found interesting is that there's phone numbers on the bottom of that did you
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mean to not redact that well we redacted other things you redacted the names yeah well those
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phone numbers must be okay then okay people might want to call them yeah if they still exist i'll call
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them but you always hold something back as a magician sure and you do that for two reasons
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to sniff out and as your right are usually your right punch or sometimes your left hook
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because or an uppercut something you don't see coming right so the jab puts people at distance
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and everybody knows this bomb is coming but then the other ones the hook or the uppercut you hide those
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a little bit because they they have so many knockouts from those right so as a journalist you always keep
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stuff to one find out who's going to come to you with after like names associated with those phone
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numbers or that's your uppercut or left hook the knockouts can i can i grab that screen grab real
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quick yeah i mean it's out i want to uh by the time this talk is it's out that's true yeah you can read
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away i want to i'll take a second here because of time dilation i'm going to put this phone this way so
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no one ever knows now if the clocks are accurate uh let me go because that clock's supposed to keep
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you real but i don't trust that clock oh well you can trust it really yep that's why it's there
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gives people a reference to when these conversations happened just like the bob lazar conversation i had
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recently people will see on that if they you know watch that if they look at the clock and pay attention
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they know when that conversation happened it was it was uh over a year ago um all right let's get to
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there i'm fast forwarding take your time through your movie now
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the skiff look at this place man
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i think there's sodium pentothal in this um not enough and 115. not enough apparently
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no i'm being straightforward right i'm answering yeah you are yeah if i don't just stop me as a
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friend and be like dude answer my question yeah i will um and you're doing no you're doing a good job
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sorry this is taking a second here i hate interviews where you ask somebody something they don't answer
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what's uh who's your most evasive interview while i could pull this up i mean it was the first two
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years of filming john lear is the most evasive okay but who's the most evasive interview of somebody
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if somebody credible who you believe to be credible well i believe john lear was credible at being john
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lear yeah okay that doesn't that doesn't go very far well i'm trying to really think here um
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like would you say would it be a politician they're not not public so so the yeah the interviews that
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are the most evasive are like my everyday i eat them for breakfast lunch and dinner i call people
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who are in the intelligence community and they have a job to do and sometimes they're trying to get
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dirt on me so that they can manipulate that later or and also sometimes people just have a duty
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you know but the most evasive are like when an intelligence agent calls me up with badge contact
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and they tell me they're going to do something really great for ufos they're going to find the truth
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and then you know nine months into these conversations my lawyers like do not talk with that agency and
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then nine months into that when i told my lawyer oh no i'm going to talk to him because i'm going to
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find out what's going on even if i you know don't get to the last answer it's when they try to entrap
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me with false information to see where i put it that's the most evasive conversation because they're
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being evasive it feels like uh it feels like you got to be a magician just to navigate this territory
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fuck dude i hope i'm doing okay all right got it here so epa form 2070-12 attached epa what does that
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stand for environmental protection act maybe whoa i'm not sure people are better acronyms than me cost
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estimate attached yes um proposed activities
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a site investigation si should be undertaken to determine alien inorganic alien inorganic compounds
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or other biochemicals have been disposed of at this site and to determine the presence and or extent of any
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soil and groundwater contamination that may be the result of materials disposed of at this site
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local residents should be checked for evidence that they are being symbiotically manipulated by surviving
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aliens that sounds like something out of a bad science fiction novel like it's crazy exactly the word
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aliens is used so flippantly here it's not biologicals it's not yeah you know extra tempestual it's
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nothing it's aliens in lower caps in lower case what year would that have been curious curiously if
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people would probably figure that one out like the online sleuths what year right i'm not asking you
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i'm i'm saying yeah i'm trying to figure it out i'm saying what you're doing by allowing that piece of
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paper to be shown is you're saying help you're saying so did you look at the file structures there
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were some that were like high confidence or verified uap there was a bunch of names in there so this one
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i have and george has for many many years we got to a point where obviously we believe at least that
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is worthy of public discourse i can confidently say at this time that that did not get transmitted
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through unsecure fashions okay so right a document like that would come in that's an official document
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like it would be received in a skiff on a certain type of line to get it in from a confidential i'm
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going to say the word with the big c is confidential because i'm not qualified to say the other c word
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confidential into another confidential area you're reading between the lines yeah okay so there we are
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and then i know that there was a reaction uh in that room and i obviously somebody thought that fake or
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not fake that it was worthy of possibly um removing that from that confidential place
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where it comes to a journalist so that's a big risk to take for yeah that's uh that's a crime here
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no the other side of the yes it is a crime the other side of the coin but not by me sure no no but
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that's a big risk but that's a big risk that's a crime yeah it doesn't matter what that is no you
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you smuggled something out of a skiff so that's real now the other side of the coin is i also know
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from personal experience not in this case because uh the duration of which i sit on material and bullet
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test it and go as far as i can and then i can't go any further without compromising things so i get to
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a point where i have to stop okay the other side of that coin is that i also know not a prank i also
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know that there is intentional disinformation given to real actual unknowing people in that confidential
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setting passage material okay there we go so for your audience and that that is also real
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this is not that right this is not passage material so now i am spinning i'm spinning right
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and i'm like okay this is not passage material but that's too on the nose what's going on i don't
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understand you imagine that's one page out of many right you'd imagine that there's traceable things
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like bank account numbers to black programs you'd imagine so if i imagined that so this is not the
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only piece of paper that was no okay there's a whole other set of files attached to that allegedly
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and is that is that what we're seeing at the end of this frame here is that like all these other
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biologics that are in this folder right so there's quite a few yeah cache number four wow cache number four
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mm-hmm so as time progresses you never revisit a cache unless you have to okay um
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so as you add to caches um your files grow bigger right so i think i have a little fear in me right now
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so i'm just i'm i'm not stuttering i'm trying not to stutter so i'm like trying to speak
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thoughtfully and that's hard for me sometimes what you see is what you get dude from the heart to the
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mouth no filter but i'm trying to put a little filter here so your core question is maybe why is that in
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the movie for what purpose and the other core question is probably do you trust it am i accurate are
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those two important questions to you yeah those are both things i'm curious about okay so
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i trust that that is a memo that was never supposed to be in public domain i trust that for whatever that
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means that i know i allowed it to be in the movie because i think it is worthy of public discourse
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and investigation and i have reached my limit for now and i am hoping that with the tiny bit that is there
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we're going to learn what's true and not true about that page is this the biggest
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release in your opinion that you've been a part of this particular document here do you think i have
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not been a part of the release of that document you all you see is a page on a movie yes but if this
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document were to be released if this document were to find itself no no no no there's a lot about to
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happen really yeah um and not not just i'm not talking about just me and george knapp you know
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that there's when when i say there is an army of whistleblowers ready to come forward i went on the
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news and i said there are three first-hand people willing to raise their hands now we can debate all day
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what first hand means but when i say there's an army of whistleblowers that's to me an army is is
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more than 12 it's more than 24 it's you know it's more than 36 um i'm not that's not that's not an
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that is a true statement that is a factual statement so is this the bigot no this is just a piece of paper
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that requires participation with magic with a k does that answer your question yeah it does yeah
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thanks for sharing that i mean that's obviously going to be you know that just to like get off
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that last document before we move on it's one of those to me it's one of those things that like
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you know those old mj12 documents those oh yeah that just read like yeah they're you know the psalm
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one oh let me back up yeah it's absurd absolutely yes it's silly mm-hmm yeah it's silly it's
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whimsical the whole you know symbiosis thing was so weird i don't even know what to make of that
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where i live in california there are people who've spent 30 years plus running companies for disposal
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aerospace disposal and if you were to infiltrate their ranks
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you would find out that it is a known thing that there are what they'll call organic and inorganic
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compounds that have to be driven what's an inorganic compound that can
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ss act as like some symbiotic have a symbiotic relationship with humans what do you know about
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carbon based life verse other forms of life
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right but i mean but but even even other forms of life is still organic um cybernetic you know
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inorganic so you're saying you're thinking you're thinking synthetic like some type of like
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this is above my pay grade but i'll yeah say this just just we're speculating okay oh speculate like
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what are we talking about ai robot aliens okay so um they're how the theory goes is that
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just as we print liver heart cells organs in space which we do um you can print biologics
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so cybernetic if people have a dictionary because i don't know for sure but cybernetic would be this
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idea of an um like an organic compound that at its core is like a robot right so an artificial
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intelligence within a biological bag right so the idea with like the grays or whatever you know people
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often say so they're like basically manufactured beings right and they're cybernetic so they're they're
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they're organic to me cybernetic means like wires and stuff because oh maybe it does because they're
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saying inorganic well that's different we're getting to that but you asked because inorganic
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means well i don't know not an organism look you do the math what i'm telling you is that there are
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people that transport from california in and i've seen them these buildings that um are nondescript and
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they have like high security and you would never know what goes on in those buildings unless you get
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people that go inside and those people that go inside and full hazmat suits right sometimes they
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will do a cleanup and they will package it up and now depending on its classification they will then
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create lists and the lists if it's unclassified material it's a very specific type of thing 3.3
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percent this 3.4 that i mean everything's listed totally different protocol of classification for
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other stuff if something is you know top secret or above as we commonly know it um totally different
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protocol but either way that's going inside of trucks it is going to oftentimes most often than not
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um dugway where they have a special burner and that burner is a non um what is it called uh like
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it it doesn't go combustion no um high like super hot right um what it does is it's a non like where
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it permeates out whatever the word is okay um um there's a word a really good word and it basically
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means it doesn't leave that containment okay so even to the point we'd crush up the carbon filters and
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just swallow everything like yeah so it swallows everything so it's non-permeating it doesn't go out
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right and you know you talk to people who have done this for their lives and they're part of this
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little club and they'll walk in with like a full-on hazmat and where's the bathroom i mean it's like
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right out of a comedy right like where's the bathroom and then like people inside they don't see
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the sunlight a lot in a lot of ways you know they're they're really but if you're in there you must be on
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the level because if you're on the level you wouldn't be if you weren't on the level you wouldn't be in
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there and then they're showing you a sphere that's just hovering and you're like how does that happen
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you know what i mean how does that whoa that's pretty cool where's the bathroom again but they
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just can't stop they get it off their chest they can't stop because they don't have a lot of people
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to talk to that are new faces right yeah so then you you collect this stuff and then you take it out
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let's say to doug way um the town there's this burner out there and you got a list that doesn't say
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shit because it's you know because the classification and you just you know you wouldn't really know tons
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of you know all the chemicals you deal with you know organic and inorganic compounds which we'll
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figure out later and you take it i'd be like well so what's the deal what's the deal if it's a known
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secret that you are moving what you're saying are alien organic and inorganic compounds we're not talking
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like rocket fuel that needs to be like you know perfectly fixed and you know run off from this or
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that we're talking aliens here okay so if that was true right then i'd be like like how do you know
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like how do you know that that is true and somebody would say something like and i'm and i'm like why
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like why is it so harmful other than i get secrecy but that's not what you're doing you're doing
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destruction so like why and they would say something exactly like because of its ability
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to alter human dna and i would be like in a barbershop getting a haircut being like what um can you say
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that one more time so i can verbatim understand that because of its ability to alter human dna
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kind of like an rna thing i don't know dude i'm not a smart pants guy i'm not smart guys so um all
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that to say is that even within these circles of trust there is this known thing that humans can't
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keep their mouths shut and human beings are the greatest leak to security than any document photo
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image video it's always human beings and there are consequences there are consequences to um speaking
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outside of school and sometimes they're covert sometimes they're overt sometimes they're inert or
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they appear to be but there are consequences and sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel
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that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs
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and destroy your humanity and i've seen that pain in people's eyes and it's not a way to live man
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you cannot live you're not free you don't have freedom of thought you don't have freedom of thought
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because you don't have freedom of speech without freedom of speech you can't have freedom of thought
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and that's what's at stake with the ufo game all right jeremy thank you we're going to answer some
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questions from the audience easy question all right this is uh it's part of the membership here if you
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join and become a member one of the many perks that you get is you're able to potentially have one of
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your questions answered by our guests which we post in the discord and then you can go see that so the
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first one here um yeah i mean i don't know how you're going to answer this one but this is a
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neither do i because i don't know the question it's a good question the fuck oh
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by gislay says what would be the most smoking gun evidence you would like to release but can't
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it's a great did you time that question like zoltar
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uh did you time that no okay then i finally get to do my joke on chris ramsey which he'll only
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be the only one really that understands all cards on the table fuckhead
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i'm gonna i'm gonna risk a bob lazar migraine by taking my glasses off i just
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it's gonna me but the lights are bright in this skiff
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okay no armor what would be the most smoking gun evidence you would like to release but can't
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um that would be clear as day uap filmed by satellite that we're doing reconnaissance on
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adversarial and foreign nations assets and i don't i do not have that in fact i have nothing
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and i've made sure of that i have nothing nothing at home nothing on my phone nothing on my computers
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i have nothing however i would love i would love that smoking gun evidence which does exist
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i have seen it so have other people that you know and i'm not talking about one piece of footage
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i'm talking about a lot of footage but it is not mine to share what does it feature does it feature a
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disc a tic tac a tube about a lot of different footage chris tell me i we're not i don't want
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to know about where it is i don't want to know about any i want to know what is on these videos is
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it a triangle there are hundreds tell me one i just did you said hundreds give me one there i but i did
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before so i told you satellite footage or maybe i'm going back in time of of two discs going by an
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adversarial nation's ship submarines are way more sensitive by the way these are discs
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silver discs they appear to be lenticular in nature okay not just orbs not circular but i mean look no
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one piece i learned this a long time ago george knapp and i released absolute scientific evidence
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of instantaneous motions the first time in your life and mine and the world's that publicly there's a
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piece of footage that has precedent has origin it has uh pedigree and it is military filmed and it
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shows you instantaneous motion now i could look i could be wrong one day and i'm trying i'm asking
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the public to bullet test that theory because our own government believed that that is a display of
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instantaneous motion that's the piece that definitely they you know whoever the controllers didn't want out
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the others were like balloon tests here's this here's that here's this here's that that one is
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important and i think it will be seen that way in history or i'm wrong and guess what if i'm wrong
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so was our entire intelligence community within the united states and so i feel like i've put pretty
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good steps forward for people man you know um no one piece of footage has ever convinced me it's the
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crushing weight of the cumulative footage and i hope the public gets to see more and better i'm gonna
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pin you down on this okay i want i want to know more about these uh this footage that you that you
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allude to i've heard people like lou elizondra talk about footage i've heard people in congress mention
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it recently that they've seen footage what's on give me five examples well i've given you 13. well i
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want i want like clear as day basically given the public with george knapp 13 assets that you were
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never supposed to see but you said clear as day those aren't clear as day clear as day okay so let's
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split another hair so clear as day clear as day to me is independence day like coming out of the clouds
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that's clear as i'll promise you this if i ever saw obtained and was able to release clear as day
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independence day hilarious um piece of footage and even if it's not clear as day i would release it
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george knapp would release it we'd release i know that but i just want to know details like okay because
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like what have i seen because the i for me it's more about like what the craft looks like because
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you know i get that there's sensitive areas and then you can't give that up fine i'm resigned to
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being very okay with you know not you know endangering people's lives by putting out information
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fine you said you've seen footage yes that is very clear fact i want to know do you see markings on
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these craft is it that clear no no markings okay i ever seen okay are are you referring to craft that
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are of the triangular nature well yeah sure there are there's triangles there's tic tacs there's ovals
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there's spheres and that you've seen yes you've seen clear hundred percent how clear are we talking
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are we are we talking craft are we talking iphone footage okay are we talking like that clear or is it
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all ir stuff let's split another hair yeah okay so first of all you keep saying craft yeah i don't
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know that's true sure fine no no very fair because um you will see um i hope you will see
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uh all five observables okay i showed you one george and i've shown you one clear as day let's
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let people dissect that first and make sure it is okay um military footage is always going to be
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through military assets those assets are going to be at best full motion video full motion video
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is the overlay of a bunch of types of sensors where then it creates for you night or day a clear
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full high resolution image example the mosel orb yes that's a great high definition image right well
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okay so that's your barometer so now i'm understanding your yeah color it has texture it has depth yeah so
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you've got thermal which is heat it's sensing the heat you have i well it's ir but like you think
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of like green so you think about through yeah so that's like an amplification of light a little bit
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of heat and then you've got full motion video and then you have sometimes satellites which take
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something like full motion video so you would say that's clear as day because the capability of
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satellite to come in and like read a coke can they say in the 80s sure okay so that exists and
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so what you're looking for is full motion video there's this there's this video sorry to interrupt
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you but there's this video of and this gets brought up a lot in these discussions and these debates
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coming in from space no there's this video of a jet sort of fending off a russian attack or something
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right and it's like blasting something but it's so clear it's like the clearest 4k footage you can see
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and we're seeing this from an airplane and yet the footage that we get is like uh why do you think
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that is can you say the words immaculate constellation with me sure yeah okay so why do you think that is
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um immaculate constellation i'm with you right i i don't know i don't know why and that's part of the
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question is like why are we getting this grainy infrared you know fmv when there exists footage
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like this there should be let me walk you through it it's real simple okay so once thing so i i get
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calls i i got a call i need to walk you through it if you want to know the answer i absolutely do here
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we go um so i get calls from kids and their their one sole job is to look at live feeds of reaper
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drones and they work at i don't know wright patterson let's say it's a good place generic they do a lot
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of that there and these kids will say to me holy um you're so reachable i'm like yeah that's the point
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and they're like well check it out um first time in my career i know i'm young but like you know for 10
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years i've been you know had this job and this is the first time in 10 years when we saw clear as day
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discs ufos and they were doing this crazy and there was a whole bunch of them
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and we we don't know how to classify them what do you write so we debated inside of this skiff for
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four three four hours we finally come up with the designation and we're writing it down and we just
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want to replay it one more time and for the first time in 10 years you normally can go back in 10
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minute chunks 10 minute chunks 10 minute chunks poof it's not there this is a real call in real time
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almost real time i go back to thinking what matthew brown said if he's telling us the way it is and if
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he's right which are two different things the way it is is he understands if he's right and he said that
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we now have sophisticated ways this is the smallest thing he said to extract that data right so that it
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does right now i'm going to answer your question but go with me here i'm gonna give you one more example
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real world so during the height of the um drone incursions on the east coast there is a sensitive
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critical infrastructure facility that has to do with energy and i got word that there was lifting out
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of the water in a bay with cameras near this facility that were so high definition that it's like perfect
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footage because you need security at this facility and a pyramid comes up pyramid by triangular by angle
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of observation pyramid in shape okay like a like a tetrahedron it lifts three-sided pyramid lifts up out
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of the water rotates i think that's 90 degrees goes over this base and hovers for maybe 10 hours whoa
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goes back goes into the water and there's what's called the honeywell system okay at this that is
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used by a department of energy and then the honeywell system sits this file and it's like burning a hole
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in the brain of a new a number of people remember during the height of all this so george and i we
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contact fbi because they we see in the papers they they're being stonewalled and we say look we have
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an individual who knows that you're being stonewalled and thinks you need something
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this person's in agreement that they trust me and george so we better not this up if there's
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no repercussions he wants to do the right thing for america then you guys in the fbi can we do this
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dance and finally it's like yes we can do this dance and the second that they said yes we can do this
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dance and i go for this dance to be done and this is like high high trust that i have yeah with somebody
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i care about and love understood okay when the agreement is made
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that footage is doesn't go missing it's taken from that system
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and i just found out by the doe so think about that i'm setting you up for your answer now okay
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think about it so where does all why are we not seeing the good footage is your basic question
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everybody wants to know that why aren't we not seeing the full motion video satellite full motion
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that's part of it full motion video what you're looking for is fmv full motion video from a satellite
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high fidelity you call it color day or night doesn't matter color clear a craft let's say a craft
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why don't you see it well george and i have given you 13 assets what's different about those 13 assets
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the number of people that have access to those 13 assets or whatever
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is very small for most of it but it gets bigger and bigger when things get when products get
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delivered in search of answers outside of the intelligence community sure but that high fidelity
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how many people do you think not only a have visual access to it b would ever break their oath about
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fmv anything now we're getting a small population c have cause to break it smaller d thinks about breaking it
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and finally what comes after d uh fmv e
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takes the risk personally
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to give that to a journalist who never asked for it now we're talking about almost nobody yeah one person
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so why aren't you seeing it chris because the pool is tiny unless there's some mandate to be honest
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you know why would there ever be a mandate to be honest about ufos because after that all we need
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is one man it feels like no no but you're wrong five hour video of a pyramid floating over the
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department of energy that's just ours i mean that's ours no that's what i'm like dude there are so many
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ways to puncture the truth oh i see it doesn't matter what you do i'm saying to everybody i've never
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solicited in my life i'm telling everybody don't do it there's other ways the truth can come out we
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don't need our government and our military to figure out the truth they don't know the truth
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and that's that's the bottom line bottom line is what do you tell people if you don't know and what if
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that's true yeah what if you kick a sleeping dog what happens then what does the dog do to you yeah
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buy two did that answer your question pretty much okay in a way not i'm not satisfied but it answered
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my question well you don't you don't chris you don't okay here we go you don't see it because
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there's so many limited people that actually have access to that that have motivation then will no i
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know and you why would you eloquently answered that question i find myself frustrated regardless of
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the answer well join the club i know um and i'm not even that that frustrated i'm vocalizing the
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frustration of people you know who have come before me um i'm actually i'm just happy to talk
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about it to be honest like a story like that especially with a floating pyramid i mean sure
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seeing the actual thing would like rock my world but a story like that for me kind of has the same
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effect i go oh my god like that is chris when people see ufos for themselves undeniably does it
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rock their world i would think so sometimes it really doesn't chris yeah well sometimes it does okay
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fair enough yeah touche as they say in sword fighting um okay okay okay oh this is a really
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good question by kazan kazane cool name kazane thank your mama and papa god man you make me whenever i
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see you got it makes me want one i'll give you the link what the heck do you feel there's any information
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that you or george have kept from each other or is it all full transparency we keep stuff from each
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other to protect one another um seldomly but assuredly cool interesting i i would love to i would love to
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ask george that question one day too see if he has the same answer and he goes no of course not
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because no i would assume he does too um this is one we kind of answered during the podcast but i
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thought it was with a kick with a quicksand for some someone once said to me this is by th perry
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they literally say to you sometimes like some of the intel guys when they're working against you they
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warn you before and they say hall of mirrors man nothing is as it appears how you doing i mean i'm
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just like fuck what do you do with that man okay go ahead um what do you think really happened to
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general mcasland th perry okay now we're getting into speculative territory because i i know that you
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can't answer that because you have no idea um but what's your gut say well that he's missing yeah um
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something bad happened to him oh yeah if you mean by being murdered bad yes i i believe he was murdered
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i i do um and i have cause to believe that what cause
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people that know far more about it than i do who i trust and shouldn't have um mentioned to me
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that's all i got for you man okay yeah yeah i'm so sorry let me back up okay aslan um
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man that's a real human man yeah with real family and there's a pattern of people disappearing and
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their bodies being found later because exposure oftentimes masks causality of death um and it's
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fucked up and there are cases the public doesn't know about and george and i are on a couple of them
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and some of them are older right but um it's a pattern and it's it's really gnarly and i will say
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that um there are people who if they weren't dead were willing to testify um and they would have testified
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um and i don't know like you would probably well you mentioned that in the movie i did that someone
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i did yeah yeah there's a few people but um a couple things burn in the back of my brain
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and i don't know if they're related but it's horrible fucking timing
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do you feel a sense of like personal guilt for that no no i'm not close to um those cases okay um
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personally and my wife told me um you make your own decisions and you have to um you have to contend
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with that you have to wrestle with that but other people make their own decisions
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and they're full on adults and they have to contend with that that's right so i can't hold that and i'm
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not personally close to any of those cases i've been asked to be close to them and i i don't feel it's
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right for a number of reasons sure well that's good advice that your wife gave you i'll tell you that
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um this one i think is on everybody's mind so we'll go with this one here
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everybody's butt mine or something planet earth the greatest show in the solar system
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type cause can you tell us more about the claim that the government will falsely say that a craft
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is slowly making its way to earth oh this is can i say more than i already said is it what you're asking
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yeah you kind of said you know that you were told in some capacity that a craft would well that uh
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certain people would alarm us about some impending you know i sure did say that in january
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yeah back right right before um six months before uh the uh three-eye atlas became popularly understood
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can i say more so you know it really bothers me i i've i've said more and i guess i haven't said it
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loud enough or clear enough um so yeah i'll say more again um you know i've already said how i came to
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that conclusion i've said it a billion times i'm not hiding anything about how i came to the conclusion
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i am not psychic i make the joke i don't know when my coffee pot's going to go off even when i set the
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time you know because i i'm i have no predictive ability um the reason i said that is because i was
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pressured for a long time for my mouth to be used for what i considered a false narrative the false
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narrative being that there was a craft slowly coming making its way to earth i think they said
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like 2027 or 2036 you know leave a big window so everybody has to guess and if it doesn't happen 2027
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then you know we have them until 2036. i think that is absolute and my cause to believe
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that is the way that i was pressured to be used as a megaphone for that idea by the intelligence community
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which i have mapped out everybody connected to that one specific lie to the american public
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and i just said it out loud when i was in front of cameras because i can't be
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you know what's the words you used um earlier um acting sincere i'm just gonna say it like but
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i said i told the guy i don't think you want it in this show of yours but yet he puts it in thank you
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ryan you know um so was the person who told this to you it's not a person brother there's multiple
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people why do you think i would rely on my intuition were any of those people ever on this podcast i
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have no idea who's on your podcast bring out the book i'd have no you know what let's not play that
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game because here's the deal i already know your question and um not overtly no to answer your question
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um but i've heard from other people right that was said over same information same information but
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you have to understand there's a there's a mosaic of people who tried to have influence over me
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to say that with the same message the ex bro down to the down to the point where i have a catalog of
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seven books that i will not read because i've mapped out the network of people who have who said it and
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it's almost as if i could go through my memory and type in a word do you think avi lobe was
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implicated in this as well it's almost as if i could go into my memory and type in a word and cross
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reference 11 plus years of what's been said to me so i know exactly the mosaic of that information
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i do not trust it to be actual and real in fact i know the origin of at least the mythology which
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comes from a 70s classified document now let's back up for one second which is this
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i could be wrong right that's mine and george's joke sure you know i am adamant you you you have
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a gut instinct beyond a god yeah well a journalistic um thing uh uh uh not instinct but i would say maybe
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uh intuition this ain't my first rodeo and i've seen this movie before now now hold on one second
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which is that you know i'm really trying to tell people i don't have information yeah that you
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don't have but yeah i just um look and again if i'm wrong who cares would be the greatest day of my
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life i would love to be wrong about that because it sounds a lot like what you know you you can't help
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but overlap the sort of blue beam you know narrative that uh stephen greer has been talking about as
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well where the government's going to you know fake an impending alien invasion in order to you know
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take away more rights for the american people um well i mean isn't that kind of what they're doing when
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when you have people from these agencies who are the government telling you that there's an invasion
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coming isn't that one step away from faking an alien invasion no but that could also be personal
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belief based on personal are you saying they believe it i i'm leaving open the possibility right
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that the reason this messaging has percolated to yours and my ears and the public's is because that's
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a personalized assessment based on the information that they have um it could be that right right i
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don't know because no one talks straight about it you know i have straight up asked people and it's all
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like that weird intelligence where they're not saying nothing yeah i'm trying to say something i
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see saying nothing and it feels like just passage material i don't know but i would i would tell you
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this you're never going to be told the truth straight by any government agency and not just because
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they don't know it because their job is to shape the emerging uap narrative to be able to utilize truth
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and untruth to their behest that is the goal and what's your goal my goal and what when their goal is
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to shape the narrative what's your goal oh my goal is to try to dig as deep as i can and find out what
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the truth is that's my goal jeremy corbell thank you brother friend thank you friend yeah appreciate you and
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i appreciate you coming here and opening up and and uh yeah wishing you lots of luck and safety and
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health with uh the rest of your journey hope okay my hope is that this is the last time that i ever have
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to do an interview where i feel stress and pressure
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in trying to limit my words man because my goal is to um live a different life now um i don't want to
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play this game anymore yeah fair enough all right no wishing you all the best thanks brother
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