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Word traveled and it really came from the three girls
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because everybody believed the girls.
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I mean, first of all, there was a military presence
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in the town of Virginia, in and around the town of Virginia
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that no one had ever seen before.
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There were military blockades of roads they couldn't get through.
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There were threatens with gunpoint,
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with people who lived at residence
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that I live in that house right there.
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Let me through here, no.
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And they, no, you know?
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Three o'clock in the afternoon, you got a gun to your face,
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you can't go home like really?
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And then I got the local media guy, not,
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Yeah, the guy with the bald guy who is bigger.
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So he, he's the media.
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TV printer and sensor, Prinsensor.
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And he's like going out, he hears about the girls
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and he's going, he's like in a town
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he jumps in his car and off he goes
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and they threaten him, no.
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And he's having media ask people
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the meds military base about these reports.
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You ask one more question and your men are going to jail.
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We're going to talk about this.
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Yeah, this is the national security issue.
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You are not going any further beyond this point right here.
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Did the mother, hell?
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Didn't the mother say maybe I'm mixing this up,
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so correct me if I'm wrong.
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Didn't the mother say like, quote unquote,
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men in black visited her home.
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And the girls a few days later,
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and they were literally like men in black
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who one of whom spoke the other three
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didn't, and he spoke Portuguese and said,
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you can't talk about this.
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Oh, tried to get him.
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OK, so let's back up a little bit here.
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Because I'd heard, if I talk to your audience,
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address the so-called men in black issue,
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we could go on for 12 hours because I
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could give you accounts that I'd heard dating back
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to the 50s and then the 60s and then the 70s and the 80s
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and the 90s, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, cases,
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specific cases that I've investigated,
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military men that I've talked to,
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civilian witnesses that I've talked to,
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about these so-called men dark suits show up
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and intimidate witness above a bar.
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I've never included any of the testimony in any one
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of my films because I felt it was a slippery slope,
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and I didn't, I couldn't prove it,
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and it just seemed too weird.
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I was like, man, I'm blotting,
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think about Wilson, no.
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Do you think if they had never made that movie, though,
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you wouldn't be thinking like that.
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Well, when did that movie come out?
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Maybe like 96, 96, maybe.
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Because I first heard about him in 97, so maybe,
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But in any case, I avoided the plague, okay?
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When I got to Brazil and the mother of the two daughters,
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they're her two daughters that came in contact
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with that being, whatever.
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When she told me that story,
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I was so profoundly moved.
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I finally said, the hell with it.
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I'm gonna include this testimony in the piece,
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and I don't care what anybody thinks.
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If anybody can attack me or come at me,
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James is reporting on men in black, whatever.
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It wasn't, you weren't like,
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I wanted a ton of attention.
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I left it in because I believed her,
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and I'd heard enough testimony
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from both civilian and military.
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Over the decades, I said, that was,
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it was a straw that brought the camels back for me.
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And I said, okay, I'm gonna put this in.
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I'm sure I'm gonna get criticism for it,
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for whatever, James is reporting on men in black figures now.
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Like, you know, I get it.
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And what exactly, like we kind of said it,
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but like, were there any crazy specifics
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that she mentioned that really stood out to you?
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About what they said.
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They had a briefcase full of money.
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Foreign bills, probably US dollars,
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that she could leave,
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but she had to get her daughters to go on news stations
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and say they were lying,
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and that they made it all up,
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and what they saw was just like a homeless guy
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or something like that.
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And the mother refused.
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Like, I mean, she said they were kind of scary.
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Like they were very intimidating.
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And that one of them spoke,
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and the two others just sat there quietly.
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And I think she said they took notes.
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And two others, not three others.
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There was three in total.
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And they were intimidating, and they were forceful,
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And she finally threatened to call the police,
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and they ultimately laughed.
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She said, I'm not going to,
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I'm not, my daughter's not liars,
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but I was not lying.
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I'm not going to go relocate
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and some other foreign place with whatever money
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you're trying to give me.
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Why wouldn't they kill them?
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Oh God, that would have been such an obvious cover.
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I mean, kids, girls were everywhere.
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They just killed all three worlds and the money.
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Oh yeah, because they've already gone on
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They're saying all over the news,
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Those girls made this the catapult of this.
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Why everybody believed the girls?
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Why did they let it get to that then?
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Why happened so quickly?
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And look, the cover up,
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I'm just trying to poke all of them out.
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And look, there were,
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everyone of the town,
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like, one of the reasons why I went down to the town square,
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it seems kind of silly and lighthearted, whatever,
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but I did it because,
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if an event of that magnitude had happened,
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surely people of the town
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would have some sort of information heard something.
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And so, and it's exactly what happened.
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Oh, my cousin saw this.
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Oh, I saw, like, later that night,
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I saw this flying saucer looking, you know,
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so military trucks, you know, unprecedented.
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We don't see military trucks in downtown Virginia.
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they were coordinating off the hospitals, like, you know,
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so, and that's what Carlos says I was saying too.
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Man, well, he talked about the men in dark suits.
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He said it was scary.
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Like, I mean, it was like,
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how the hell they know all about me?
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They knew about my wife where I lived.
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My daughter, like, everything.
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He said it was terrifying.
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So back to, back to Chiraisy,
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you get this doctor to backtrack.
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And I think I saw it.
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I see what you're saying.
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I thought at first when you were saying buddy backtracks,
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like, he was going to admit, like, accidentally,
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that like, he knew all about what the guy told him.
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But didn't you also,
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God, there's so much going on here.
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Didn't you also say in there
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that the, that the dot, like,
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this was maybe 15 minutes ago,
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where you were like, the doctor allegedly
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was told things at the bedside by Chiraisy?
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Yeah, so he slips up right there,
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the segment you just shared with your audience.
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But he said the sister, no?
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He said he revealed what happened
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because he was fearful for his life to his sister.
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And then he says, according to his sister,
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but no, it was according to,
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because he kind of catches himself like,
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revealing too much, then he says,
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according to his sister,
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no, he revealed what happened
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because he was worried, he was dying.
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And the doctors couldn't fix him.
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Of course he's going to tell me,
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and he says so, right there, you know, so,
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And the other doctor,
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according to the family,
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said we got to put him in the ground immediately.
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Like no memorial service,
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he put him in the ground.
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Yeah, the doctor was on duty that day.
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When he died, the doctor was on duty,
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he said, gotta get him in the ground like immediately.
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Okay, we're gonna skip over the radiologist and military ex
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and we're gonna come back to them.
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What we need to do is where you almost,
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essentially like close, close to closed out
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to documentary here, which was with Eric Loeb's.
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And I wanna go there because Eric Loeb's,
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as we've highlighted, was the driver of that car.
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Now, Eric Loeb's, as you found out,
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and you're gonna describe it in a minute,
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Where I may disagree with you,
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I'm not gonna say like, oh, it's impossible
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that the alien infected him with something
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and that's what killed him.
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And is it possible that infection could have
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absolutely really shown up and shown teeth two weeks later
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because it settled in and I got his bloodstream,
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and he died absolutely.
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But I tend to think, especially given the fact
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that this guy was talkative at his bedside
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and his sister was involved and whatever,
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I'm more of the opinion here that he was
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polonium or something poisoned by people
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from the government who were afraid he was gonna speak.
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And why wouldn't they have killed Eric Loeb's at the same time?
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Because, and I may have misunderstood this,
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but correct me here, I think Eric Loeb's two things
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was somewhat connected within the military by family.
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And secondly, he also can't prove the point
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because he shot the fuck up.
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He didn't say shit to anybody.
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And let's dovetail that before I get your response to that.
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Can you describe how you got in touch with Eric Loeb's
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and then what happened?
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So I'm like these accounts of capturing a live alien
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with your bear, first of all, I believe the girls,
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I wouldn't have got any further.
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I mean, I really believe the girls test the money.
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And then you've got these accounts
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that were just a few blocks away from where the girls
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And I was like, there were only two witnesses.
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Marco Shreese and Eric Loeb's.
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We got Eric Loeb's left.
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We got to find Eric Loeb's.
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We got to get him on camera.
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We got to get a statement.
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Everybody was like, it's never gonna happen.
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This he's completely gone off the radar.
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He won't even talk to the family.
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He won't give a statement.
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He was good friends.
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Eric Loeb's with Marco Shreese.
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They grew up together.
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Eric Loeb's fell in love with Marco Shreese's other sister,
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not Marta, and ultimately married her.
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She is her brother died.
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Her brother died and she married the man
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who's the only other living witness, they're together.
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We decide I went to the mayor, Mayor Verge,
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in the act of mayor, not retired.
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And he was incredibly transparent on the case.
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He talked about the witnesses that he'd heard and seen
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and met and that he believed that this story happened.
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Okay. The mayor says this on camera.
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What is a pretty big deal?
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I don't think it's ever been done before.
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So the mayor was like, well, whenever I could do to help,
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I was like, hmm, let me think about that one for a minute.
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So I said, yeah, we'd like to find this guy, Eric Loeb's.
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Nobody can seem to find him.
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He's been off the radar.
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We can't get any statements out of him.
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He goes, I'll help you with that.
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So he arranges from the former, I think it was like a police
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sergeant or chief police in and around the area in Varsina.
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I got him in the film.
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He says, yes, go meet this guy.
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He's a friend of mine.
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He used to run the chief plea, whatever.
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We found his address.
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We're going to take you out there.
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I have the specifics.
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It was like sergeant police, you know,
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and I show him a uniform back from 96.
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And then his son, who's a very famous lawyer,
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used to be a politician in Varsina.
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When we were standing in the town square,
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people would drive by their honking and waving and shouting.
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And the guy was clearly homeless, very famous.
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And his dad, they were going to take me out to the location.
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I was following them in his big executive, Black Mercedes.
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And then just dropped me off.
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And then I was on my own.
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Like, here's his house.
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Well, I had, I always listened to this little inner voice.
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Sorry, there's things going on.
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Oh, the thing went out.
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I always listened to this little inner voice
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and I thought to myself,
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hmm, I don't think I should walk up to this guy's house
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I think I should have some locals that have known him
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and going up in the area.
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So just as we were about to follow this Black Mercedes
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out to the house, I stopped and I got the translator
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and I ran up to the car.
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We're all ready to go.
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I say, um, homelow, would you mind getting out of the car
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and walking up to his front door with us
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and helping do this thing?
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And I honestly think, you can call me crazy all you like,
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but I honestly think that might have saved my life.
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I really think that could have been a very deadly
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serious situation because even the local researchers
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that had balls like Pacicini, he packed a gun
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and like, he'll tell you some crazy stories during his time.
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He wouldn't go near Eric Loeb's.
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Eric Loeb's, the military police, like, you know,
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armed to the teeth with no doubt.
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And is he still active in military police?
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He was up till fairly recently.
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I know that from a Facebook page.
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And so, honestly, I think that was a very wise decision
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that I made in the field like that.
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We go up to this guy's house and the first thing,
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well, first of all, you want to play the scene?
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And this is where, this is where Lesi, who just left,
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actually came in pretty clutch from the car
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because he came, you had just to set it.
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You walked up, you had the translator,
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you had the guy who brought you there
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and you had, I think, two cameraman, whether you're right.
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I had the sound guy and the sound guy's funny.
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If you look at the sound guy carefully,
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sound guy's Brazilian.
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He's from like Rio, I think.
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He's got headphones on it and he's got his boom mic
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and he's got his boom mic pointed out to the guy's mouth.
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So he can hear what's going on, right?
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And you don't know what air clubs looks like.
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This is, by the way.
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No, I don't know what he looks like.
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I'd heard about Eric Loeb's for years over a decade.
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But when you're walking up, Lesi and Marco are in the car.
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Yeah, Marco wasn't getting out of the car.
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Marco was terrified.
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The bullets were going to start flying.
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Marco had known through the fellow researchers
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and through his own efforts that this guy
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could potentially search shooting everybody.
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So Marco stays in his car and then this happens.
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I'm going to play it at one third.
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More than everybody else because he had his headphones
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on and he had the mic.
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So he was listening and you could see,
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there's not going well.
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The sound guy, he's going like,
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like he's putting his head behind the brick wall
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a little bit and he's putting his microphone out this way.
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So he's not in the light of fire.
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Guy knew what the hell was being said.
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And then he tells us, I'm confused.
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I was like, shit, but that's hilarious in that scene.
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Yeah, I was just like, I was confusing.
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It was so, let me tell you something.
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And this is something the camera didn't pick up.
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I'm standing there and I'm looking into these guys eyes.
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Airclopes, but I didn't know it was airclopes.
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What I did know, I'd never seen a face
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Not because he looked different from other people
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that I'd seen, but because it looked like a guy
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that had been exposed to something
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that has been burdening him for 26 years,
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it looked like a man who'd witnessed something
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so deep, so profound, so deeply moving and disturbing
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and he can't talk and he can't,
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how fast did you make that calculation?
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Soon as I saw his eyes, what was it about?
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Was it like, you know, people describe
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like the old Vietnam veterans had like the 1000 miles
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to a thousand yard stare, like they're just,
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they're looking at you, but they're not.
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I'm gonna tell you something, it didn't translate
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in the, I'm looking at it now.
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I could see in his face, the weight, his face,
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his whole face and his eyes, like if you can imagine
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a weight on him, a weight on his shoulders
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that's been burdening him for, you know, 25 years,
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26 years, something so deep, so profound, so unbelievable.
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And he's having to take it to the grave.
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Just imagine, just put yourself in his shoes.
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I'd never seen a face quite like it.
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I'll tell you the honest got truth.
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I just remember looking at him.
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Yeah, you're the only one that I didn't know.
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And you guys were there.
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And I was the closest, I was right across from him
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and I was looking at him for it to kind of spook me
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because I didn't know, I didn't see anybody get the door,
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like I, he was in the window.
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Yeah, he was in the window, but I heard talking
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and I was like looking for something in my,
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my trouser pocket and I heard talking
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and I looked at the front door
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and I didn't see anybody at the front door.
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I was like, where the hell?
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And then I look up and there he was.
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And that is when I just, there was something about this guy's face,
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his eyes like, wow, that was somebody
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who's been carrying something with him deeply troubling.
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But the way, from the viewer standpoint,
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because again, you could see him close,
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but the camera's kind of far away,
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we can barely make him out.
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Dave was trying to do something,
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and he was doing this to the camera in the whole time.
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And he had another, oh yeah, no, he was going like this.
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I saw him do one of these like quickly,
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but Dave, Dave said that he'd never had that happen to him
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in his life before where someone was looking at him,
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at the camera man, looking at him going
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with a hand down here like this,
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Dave was freaking out, man, like he was never,
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it's never happened to him before.
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Cause then the sound guys like never happened to him before
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and I'm somewhat clueless, I'm right across.
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You know, I'm trying to figure out the hell's going on.
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Yeah, I was like, the good, the poor, the poor, please.
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I wanted to know so badly, like, you know,
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cause I'd heard about this witness for so long
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and we had to get the help of the mayor to go out there.
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What was the one question going to be?
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Where you were like, I just want to know.
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Give a statement, I wanted him to give me a statement
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of what happened, like, if you, where are you driving the car?
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Where are you driving the car?
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Yeah, during the capture, because the way his voice
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and again, I don't speak his language.
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There's something that you didn't get right at the beginning
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When we drove up, we just said,
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Eric, that was always said, Eric,
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Eric and Eric sees us walking up from the window.
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And he says, if you're here to talk about the ET,
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he won't talk, not I, he.
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So he, he said, we didn't say he were here to talk
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He said, always said is, Eric,
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Eric and Eric says, if you're here to talk about the ET,
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So at what point did they figure out it?
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It's like the cops showing up at your house at a party.
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And then the cops, all the cops do is say, good evening.
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You say there's no drugs in here.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Like, we didn't ask you if there's drugs in here,
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but now the you mentioned it.
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You know what I mean?
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That was all happening so fast in the clip, though.
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What did he set, did they, was it the translator
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said or you Eric Loebson, he said, I am Eric Loebson?
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Well, that was later.
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But later, but at first he said he.
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Yeah, he said he, he said I'm a friend of Eric Loebson.
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He said he'll never talk about the ET or something like that,
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And then he made a switch to, okay, I'm Eric Loebson.
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Well, yeah, he said, we're not Eric Loebson.
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Then I kept persiting.
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You guys are gonna get in trouble.
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Bulls are gonna start flying.
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You guys are gonna get in trouble.
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I'm gonna kick you out with bullets.
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And then I was like, put a gunther, please.
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Put it for water, put a gunther, you know.
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And I said, you know, will you ever make a statement
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And he says, and you can just tell you,
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he goes, fuck it, I'm Eric Loebson.
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Because I don't speak Portuguese.
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I don't know how other people are gonna interpret this,
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but when I was listening to it,
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the thing that really struck me is he seemed like
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his way his voice sounded seemed so nonchalant.
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He was like, yeah, no, I remove you with bullets.
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It was not like, I'm gonna remove you with bullets.
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There was no like, there was none of that,
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but you can see, and he's almost like kind of hanging
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in the window like this.
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You said you saw his hand like this.
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Well, everybody kind of speculated, I mean, who knows?
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I mean, you know, but his hand is down below the window
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so you'll like this most of the time.
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And the other, sorry.
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And the other hand is kind of doing this.
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And he's pointing at the camera
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because Dave said he was doing this
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and Dave's got the wrong lens on.
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He's trying to zoom in.
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It's focusing on the wrong thing.
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And I mean, almost, yeah.
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And so here's the thing.
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So you don't think though, you don't think
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that they killed Charise.
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You think he died of that infection.
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I do, and I could tell you why later.
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So another thing, and this is in the extras of the movie,
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we, there's another aspect that was inciting at the zoo.
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And we interviewed the veterinarian, the zooologist,
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a person that ran the zoo, and there were a sighting.
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There was a sighting by a woman outside who,
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she was in her 80s, smoking a cigarette,
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we have her on camera.
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Smoking a cigarette and she saw one of the creatures.
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This was months later.
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And all these animals died in the same mysterious way
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that Marker Treasie, they were exposed to something
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that got immune system deficiency and they all died.
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We interviewed the guy, it's in the extras
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on iTunes, Vimeo, not Amazon, but iTunes and Vimeo.
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Do we have photographic evidence of the animals?
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No, but I interviewed the scientists or the zooologists
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or the veterinarian who worked on them
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and he talks about it.
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It's all in the extras.
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But anyway, we didn't include that in the film
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because there was another aspect of the story
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that was like, we're gonna release that.
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We'll put that out there.
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So I'm gonna stay on that.
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So where was that guy?
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We were talking about lobes.
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You had said you're gonna answer later my question
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about your belief that Treasie was Treasie.
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Is it a career easier, Treasie?
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Oh, well, Eric Lobes, all he had to do was come outside
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and say, God, God, this is so funny.
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This is terrible misunderstanding.
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This is nothing to this story.
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I wish there was, but it was a perfectly normal night.
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And my partner Marco died from,
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what, you know, you got it in there?
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I wasn't there, whatever, whatever,
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but he doesn't do that.
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He could literally just come outside
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and diffuse the holes.
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Oh my God, this is so funny.
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Isn't that weird how rumors spread
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and I had nothing to do with any of this?
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And that would have been the end of it.
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Give a statement and no.
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But instead, he says, if you're here to talk about the ET,
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He won't talk, not I.
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And ask him about the ET, we just said Eric.
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We said Eric, maybe Eric Lobes, that was it.
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We're looking for Eric Lobes.
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You're here to talk about the ET.
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That came from his mouth.
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Because then he flips to the,
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then he says, I am Eric Lobes.
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You guys are gonna get in trouble.
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I'm gonna kick you out, bulls are gonna start flying
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something like this.
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So anyway, are you, now you've described that stare
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Are you certain though that that's not it,
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That wasn't the other guy there.
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Yeah, because that's like, so we found his name.
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So we found his Facebook page.
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And here's another thing that I did.
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So he has his picture on there.
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So after this incident,
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it made headline news across Brazil.
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That we were almost shot at or something like this.
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It made headline news across Brazil.
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So I reached out through, I think Marta,
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because Marta's sister is married to him.
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Like Eric Treesy's sister is married to Marta.
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And then the other sister.
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And Marta's the other sister who went on camera
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to talk about all this.
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She's the one that told us to go get Eric Lobes.
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He's got all the answers.
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Go get a statement from him.
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Did she, so she does it.
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It sounds like she doesn't have a relationship with him.
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No, she says that the one or two times
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since she was desperately trying to get them to tell them the truth,
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he was just smoking cigarettes back to back,
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smoking cigarettes sweating, smoking cigarettes,
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and looking at her and smoking cigarettes,
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and just wouldn't say anything.
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So it tore apart the family.
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So anyway, so we get, we get a hold of Eric Lobes' wife
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on the phone or text.
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I can't remember what Mark or Treesy's sister.
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And is it Treesy or Carrey's?
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I was told to go get a hold of his wife,
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and we said, I said,
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here's the question I wanted to ask her.
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I said, I said, what is it going to take
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for Eric Lobes to come forward
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and give a statement on what happened?
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She said, you bring my brother back to life
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and Eric Lobes will talk.
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I just had David Satterin here
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who, for the second time,
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was to this day actually still,
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even after almost a year of the Ukraine war,
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he is the only Western reporter
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who has ever been banned from
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post-Soviet Russia by the Russian government.
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He has been a thorn in their side
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for 50 years almost.
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And he was banned in 2013.
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He is viewed as like the preeminent psychologist
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of Vladimir Putin in the West, in the world.
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Before the KGB, there was the NKVD
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in the 30s that was responsible
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for murdering hundreds of thousands of people.
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Like the pogroms in Staten?
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Pogroms were ethnic anti-Jewish
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for the most part, riots.
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No, this was the great terror
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during the 1930s that Stalin launched
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against real and imagined opponents
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in order to bring the country completely to its knees.
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And one of the things he said to me
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that really does strike me.
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And he didn't say it,
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what's the term, carte blanche,
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or I don't know if it's carte blanche,
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but he didn't say it like,
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this is always the case, 100% of the time.
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I think he said most of the time,
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in my experience of 50 some years of journalism.
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When you get, he had mentioned a quote
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Garamon Ugrimov, I think,
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from Russia, who had given this insane quote
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about Putin with the apartment bombings
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and everything and how he did them.
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And it was like straight out of a movie.
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And he said, in my experience as a journalist,
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when you hear a quote from people
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or even just a reported quote
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that someone may have said off camera somewhere else,
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and it ties everything together so perfectly,
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not something as simple as it happened,
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like the one you said earlier.
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But more like the one you just said
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that the sister said to you,
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when you hear a quote like that,
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in his experience, he's like,
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people don't just come up with that.
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And so when I, I can't get that out of my head,
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and like when I hear that, I'm like,
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she didn't just like think of that.
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You know what I mean?
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Like that wasn't just like a random whatever.
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That was rooted in deep emotional ties
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to a case that took her brother all these years ago,
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that she's now married to the one man
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who knows what happened.
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And perhaps so does she.
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He must have told his wife,
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I mean, he had to come on.
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I guess I can't go either way.
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I can't reveal this, dammit.
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I want to, but I can't, I just can't reveal it.
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gave testimony at the time,
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all of it, to someone we know.
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So that's all I can leave it right there.
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And that person communicated with us.
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And it was, I just can't.
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All right, that's fine.
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the other aspect of the story
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is the transportation of the creature
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That's what we're going back to now.
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We're going to be able to
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or skip an over the radiologist
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and military acts very, very quickly though,
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before we go to that.
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I just don't want to forget this.
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Who were the three random people
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that you interviewed
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in between the crazy,
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the crazy story and the sisters
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who made you shoot them from behind
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because they were a family or something.
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What did they say they saw again?
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We didn't even quite figure it out at the time.
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We didn't put that together.
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But we were in the edit room.
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And like I said earlier,
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I flew a drone over all the different, you know,
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the alleged crash site,
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the military blockades,
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And usually when I fly the drone,
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I'll get a bunch of different shots.
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I'll take the drone straight up.
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I'll look straight down.
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I'll pan the camera up down.
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I try to document everything around.
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So we're renting a nice house
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on the outskirts of Virginia
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because we had a lot of camera gear.
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We had multiple vehicles
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with camera gear and drones
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and lenses and all that stuff.
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And I just wanted to be extra careful.
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And we were also a little concerned
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because we're poking around on a story
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the government and the military didn't want out.
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And so that was, you know,
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we just, we rented a nice little gate
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and had a secure gate going in and out
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with a security guard.
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And it was a nice place.
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I got you new security, by the way,
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I'll talk to you after.
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so the owners are doctors
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and they have friends
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well, what are you guys doing here?
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We told them we're shooting this documentary
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on the Virginia case.
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Oh, you got a doctor.
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You got to talk to our friends.
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They're fellow doctors
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and they said they're really good witnesses.
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The entire family had an experience.
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You got to go talk to them.
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Gotta go talk to them.
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so they agreed to meet with us.
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It was my understanding that they agreed to meet
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But we got to their house
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and the entire family
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are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
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what are all these camera gear doing here?
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It's like, well, you said you'd meet with us.
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Well, we said we'd meet with you,
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but we didn't say we'd go on camera.
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We just wanted you to know what we saw.
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So, I eventually talked to me
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and to get to go on camera.
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I'll fill me from the back,
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they shared this story
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probably in 26 years.
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And this was probably,
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because of the drone,
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I was like, wait a minute,
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this house is like three or four blocks,
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away from where the girls
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maybe I was seeing this creature,
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four or five blocks away
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from where the alleged capture took place
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with Marker Treesian air globes.
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And just a few blocks away
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from the military blockade
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that we have a bunch of eyewitness accounts
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on people at gunpoint,
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at three o'clock in the afternoon,
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told you will not be walking through here.
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and we're in the edit room,
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a couple of months later,
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and I think it was Boris.
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this was like 11 o'clock at night,
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and there was just a couple blocks away.
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adamant that this object,
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this disc-shaped craft,
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was looking for something,
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what do you mean looking for something?
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there was looking for something,
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we watched it for 20 minutes,
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the dad, the daughter,
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and it was doing this grid pattern,
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looking for something.
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Boris turns to me and he goes,
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I think you have a drone shot of,
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the military blockade,
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the girls encounter,
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the marker-treezy capture,
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and the house of the people
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that we're interviewing right now.
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So we take out the drone footage,
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we go through all of it,
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it took us like three or four hours,
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we started to identify rooftop
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and trees that were out front,
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this house is three blocks away.
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could mean one thing.
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Either this family's full of doggy do-do,
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which I can't imagine why they would be,
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or this was a rescue operation.
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That craft was looking
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recover their comrades,
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because what the hell else,
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what the hell else is are they doing?
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Because you can hear the testimony of the family,
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they were looking for something,
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well you sure you didn't mistake,
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and the guy gets upset,
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I know it was damn well what I saw.
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we watched it for 20 minutes.
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It was right above my house,
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and it was doing that
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over that entire encounter area.
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I'm trying to think,
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because we've talked about
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could have been up to five,
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So the creature that the girl saw,
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that hasn't been captured
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by the military yet,
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while they're seeing this.
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Yes, so the fire department
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made a capture earlier that morning,
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which would have been that one.
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Which would have been,
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because they saw it.
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that were involved with the first capture,
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but they didn't want to come forward on camera.
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But there was a capture
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in the morning of a live creature,
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they got it with a net,
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and somebody people say
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there was another capture
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that involved gunfire,
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but we know about the
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Sure, the only had two solid,
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you know, multiple eyewitness,
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all the researchers,
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like two solid captures,
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but they're possibly,
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almost definitely more,
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but we only include the two.
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I'm trying to keep it straight.
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that that alien that the girl saw
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was one of the ones that got captured?
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But that wasn't one of your two
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you're talking about.
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It is one of your two.
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Because it was just two blocks away.
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When the family that we're talking about
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is seeing this drone
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left at the clock at night.
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So it's after three p.m.,
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so that one's been captured.
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So the girls see it at three,
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it's captured around five,
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thirty or six by Marco Treesi,
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which would have been,
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oh, fuck, I messed that up.
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So he captured that exact one.
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The one the girls saw
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Marco Treesi captured,
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And then three blocks away from that,
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three or four blocks away from that,
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is the family getting the pizza delivered
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at 11 o'clock at night.
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Why are they getting the pizza
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at 11 o'clock at night?
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They're getting food delivered late at night.
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This summer evening,
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it was summertime, it was January.
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I mean, I would get peat,
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if I'm like out party and shit,
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like that makes sense.
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Do you feel like a family?
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they got the food delivered.
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and even the delivery guy
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according to the family's up,
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but you have to keep in mind,
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they refused to go on camera,
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they were not looking for notoriety,
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they didn't want their faces on camera,
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they didn't want any money,
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all they wanted for us to know is,
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hey, oh, I heard that you're doing this thing,
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do the fellow doctors,
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and they agreed to meet with us
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to share their story that was it.
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I talked to him into going on,
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going on camera to talk about what they'd seen.
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So, but there were also people
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who also saw the same craft,
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also looking for something.
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How big did they say it was?
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Forty feet in diameter.
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Yeah, forty feet in diameter.
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Kind of like a decent boat on the back.
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Like a little dinghy.
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are we at the radiologists now?
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Sure, we can be radiologists.
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Yeah, so, what do you want to do?
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Well, it's just going to be radiologists.
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So, what do you want to do?
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Well, it's just going to be radiologists.
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and I can't emphasize his level of contribution to this project,
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would have been impossible without him
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and the other researchers that had done decades of research
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there were a couple of students
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that worked at Humanitas Hospital.
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I'm trying to remember.
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I'll look it up while you're talking.
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I'll see if I can find it in an interview.
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definitely show that segment because it's insane.
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a couple of his students,
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he had shared the story
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with his students years ago,
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years and years ago,
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and his students met with,
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who's my co-producer
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and boots on the ground in Brazil,
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and Mark O found him
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while he was still employed.
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and will say that he'll never come forward publicly.
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Mark O followed him,
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then he found him again,
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then he would disappear.
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And this went on for about seven years.
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Mark O'Leah was your guy with the most.
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Yeah, the heavy-set guy,
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so Mark O finds him years and years and years ago
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and develops a relationship with him
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after he'd been retired
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agrees to meet with us
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provided we disguised his voice
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and don't reveal his face.
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And he was a radiologist,
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and he provided photographic evidence
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of him being at the hospital.
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We knew he was, you know,
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he was who he said he was.
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We've been chasing him down for seven or eight years.
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I don't know why for some reason,
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but there's something about his story
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that I found really, really compelling.
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Almost kind of makes your skin crawl.
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I don't know if you want to play a little scene.
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Yeah, I have it right here.
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Just another day at the office
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and all of a sudden,
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military jeeps and trucks show up
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with the armed rifles.
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Yeah, I'll leave it at that.
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And this guy had his crazy life.
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So he, and there's amazing recreations
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of people aren't watching on.
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I get goosebumps on that.
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and you did a good job
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with like those artist drawings
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of like what he's trying to describe,
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people are on Spotify and YouTube
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and didn't see those.
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You'll see it in the documentary,
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which you can get on Amazon Prime,
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Apple TV, you can rent it by it, all the stuff.
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Yeah. If you buy it,
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because you get, for the same price,
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you get two hours of bonus material
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I bought it on Amazon.
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But this, when, when you're looking at those recreations,
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I guess he was like taking images
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by pressing a button farther away
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and the military guys were right there.
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And he didn't get to review the images,
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which he found unique.
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He never doesn't review him.
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And he also, I think,
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this be of his career,
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he never doesn't get to look
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and verify the images are correct.
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And I think correct me from wrong.
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because they were never going to have me verify,
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why did they have me do it?
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When I'm a guy who actually knows a lot,
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why didn't they have any one of the nurses
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who may not know fucking anything,
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but they know how to press the button, do it.
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That was curious to me.
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And why he was chosen to take the extra days in general?
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Like the whole thing was just, you know,
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it's another one of those cases
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it's a little piece of the puzzle.
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There's no one person that we met with
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that had the full kind of, you know,
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overview of the whole case.
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But when you start to put all those pieces together,
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you know, the other guy,
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it has a military base.
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It's all something being loaded up on a Navy truck.
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It was like a, something like a body,
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like a coffin type thing,
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or medically sealed metal box, whatever.
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You know, you start to put all those aspects together.
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And then the secrecy,
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and the people being threatened,
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and the military truck's presence
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in the town of Virginia.
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And local residents being, you know,
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at gunpoint told they can't come through
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to get to their own house.
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You know, and all of those things,
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it's such a crazy story.
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And I, you know, I, look,
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I get that knee jerk reaction
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of, of, there's no way this happened.
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I, this is too unbelievable.
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I came and find a word in the English language
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to describe like how, you know,
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how it's just, you can't wrap your mind around it.
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You can't, you know, if it happened,
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please tell me a story that's more significant than this.
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I don't, this begging you.
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I know that, I don't, I don't, I don't,
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Yeah, and it's like,
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it's this potential, the biggest story.
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And I don't have all the answers.
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I want more answers.
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I want military involvement
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from the United States.
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That's one of the things that came out
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while we were there.
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Coincidentally, and I don't think
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this had anything to do with us being there.
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The very control, radar control officer.
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You know, the guys that sit at the airports
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with the towers and they monitor
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all the radar of objects coming in and out of Brazil
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Well, he was, you know,
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January 21st or 22nd.
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1996, he came forward
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while we were in Brazil.
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Like I guess that would have been 2021.
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The guy watching the thing.
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The guy watching the radar scope.
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The guy that's with the Brazilian.
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Now, he's also a part of the military
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because you're, you know,
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anything to do with, I guess.
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And he, you could look.
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So, um, he says that a plane came in
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from the United States Air Force.
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the plane came in and it didn't have
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the normal authorization
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from the Brazilian government
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There's a technical word for it.
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I'm sorry, I don't remember the name of it off the top of my head.
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you cannot just fly into Brazil
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without this authorization
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from the Brazilian authorities.
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Ovid or Ovov, something.
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I got the other guy's testimony here.
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You should actually take a look at it.
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He basically says that they came in without British authorization.
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They were going to come into São Paulo
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and then said they went to Campinas.
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Campinas, we have direct testimony.
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I'll put the Google Eris on the corner of the screen.
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Or show a scene in the film.
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You can also do that too.
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Campinas is its espacex military base.
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And that is where the university is.
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All the scientist prominent,
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like doctors, school of education,
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like there's espacex military base.
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It's all the heart of the intellectual heavyweights,
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the scientists, the scholars, the medicine,
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like it's all out of that region.
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And the gentleman who is at,
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which is the heart of operations
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during this recovery of this thing.
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Yeah, it's outside of our,
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I think it's like right there.
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Yeah, it's in the region.
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It's in the state of Minas de Rais.
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And the military base,
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we show clips of the military base
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from the drone in the sky.
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I can't believe that fucking drone didn't get shot down.
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a little further, a little further.
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I was like, this is, this might not end well.
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I was like, a little further.
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turn a port, you know,
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I'm going to come back,
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I flew my drone over the military base.
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I wanted to get shots of the military base,
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but it was really interesting.
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It's going to accomplish.
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I know, I'm going to accomplish.
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So, what was I getting?
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So we have testimony from the very man
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that was at, as a military base,
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that picked up the creatures
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from Humanitas Hospital,
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the creature or creature.
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This is military ex.
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By the way, you didn't say this.
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I want to make sure I didn't miss this,
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because maybe you left this on on purpose,
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and I can read it this and take this out.
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One of the guys that the radiologist witnessed
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in the room had a camera.
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Oh, yeah, that was from military ex.
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That was from military ex.
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Well, let's go to military ex.
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and we'd been aware of military ex for some time.
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There were a handful of witnesses
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from as a military base
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that were concerned about their safety.
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They met with a fellow Brazilian researcher.
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I'm sorry, I'm trying to be very tactful
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on how I release this.
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And they gave on camera statements in 1996
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as a form of protection
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that if anything happened to them or their families,
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that footage would be released.
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And it's a full transparent,
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I've been in touch with people.
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And I'm like, oh my god, we can't,
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what do we mean we can't use this?
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People spilling the beans.
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This is all a re-aspect.
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No, it was only been released in the 2030.
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So we've been known about military ex.
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It was one of the people that had done this, okay?
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And we, Marco, found him.
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That's a whole story.
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You're Marco, not Marco Turei.
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Yeah, Marco Lail, my fellow co-producers, sorry.
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And Marco finds him the way they finally meet.
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Why are you interested?
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So the witness military ex thinks that Marco Lail
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is an intelligence officer trying to find out
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of this guy's talking.
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Trying to see if he's a weak link.
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And this is like 20 years later.
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Did Eric Loeb's make one of those tapes?
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I've seen the tapes.
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I've seen all of it.
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I mean, I haven't seen Eric Loeb's on camera.
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When did they make those tapes?
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Yeah, but like a week after,
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I want to say maybe a month or so,
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there was a press conference.
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It's in the movie, the press conference.
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And during that press conference,
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is when those tapes were being made right down the street.
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But Turei's he did not make it on camera statement.
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That's what I'm saying, but he's dead.
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So we, you know, we, Marco is clearly trying to get
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military ex-conforting.
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The military ex said, I just know all the money in the world.
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I'm not going to come.
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It was never going to happen.
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You can just forget about that.
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But they became kind of friends.
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And while I was there, I just said,
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let me, let me go meet this guy.
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See if he'll just meet with me off the record.
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And to my surprise, he agrees to meet with me.
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Marco and I didn't, Dilly Dallyeth.
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We got into our car at night.
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We drove up into the way.
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I was way at North of Virginia.
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And boy, I could tell you, I felt like it was different.
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We're kind of in the depths of Brazil at that point.
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And we got to this place.
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It was like a road truck stop bar kind of place.
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And the bar kind of spilled out into the parking lot.
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Like there were chairs that were from the bar.
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They just more so than just the terrace.
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They just spilled out into the parking lot.
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Were you guys managing tails while you're down there?
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Like are you checking to see if you're being tailed everywhere?
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I mean, I was, you know, the paranoia started a little bit around this time.
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So we show up this place and people were looking at us.
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I stood out, I really stood out because you know.
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And so they, military acts is with another guy, younger guy.
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And they jump in the back of our car and they're like, let's go.
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It's like, okay, like where are we going?
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Like it was a little sketchy.
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He takes us off six, eight, nine, ten, 12 blocks away.
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We go to another restaurant that's outdoors.
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And the waiter, this woman is like, well, what's going on here?
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And what are you doing here?
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Who are you with these guys?
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You know, it's like, you know, you know, you know,
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You know, it's like, you know, intelligence.
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What are you guys talking about?
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Like, you know, just started asking all these questions,
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but kind of like jokingly, like, like, like pleasantly, like lighthearted.
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But still, she was curious.
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Like, what the hell you guys do?
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This is a weird situation.
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You know, kind of thing.
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And military acts jokes with her and goes, oh, we're talking about Disneyland.
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We all kind of laughed and all she went and she didn't ask any more questions.
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But we just talked and I was looking them in the eyes.
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And I was, I talked about the importance of, you know, sometimes there are stories
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that are more important than individuals, you know?
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And that this is kind of, if this really happened,
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this story is so much more important than any one of us.
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This is a big story that could potentially have a greater impact on all of humanity
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and kind of thing, you know?
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And when you were asking them this and meeting with them, because this is before you
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interviewed them on camera, obviously, you do...
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I look them in the eyes.
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You knew full well what his role alleged lives was.
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I'd already seen it give about 100%.
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There's no doubt about it.
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I wouldn't be wasting my time on this zero.
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But meaning there wasn't like when you got him, what I really should ask is
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when you got him on camera, there wasn't really anything surprising about it.
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There was definitely more levels of detail.
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Well, okay, so when I watched the tapes of this guy from back in 1996,
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I had it, it didn't have lower thirds.
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So Marco, my partner, Leal, would translate as much as he could, as best he could.
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And obviously, during the interview, but when I had it professionally translated,
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like professionally, word for word, everything, and had multiple people go over it,
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I got a level of detail for that for the first time.
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That was pretty remarkable.
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Yeah, but in any case, at the dinner, I've done this a number of times before I did it in Australia
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with the 66 exciting.
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Yeah, the 66 side in Westall with the teacher, Mr. Greenwald or the teacher.
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Yeah, Greenwood, Greenwood, the most green one.
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Yeah, I did it with him where I look people in the eyes and I look into their soul.
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And like I want, I just explain the potential significance of their success.
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And the significance of their story and that it matters more than us.
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And if everybody, you know, had, if everybody stuck to that level of secrecy,
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like it's just not fair.
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This is something that we're all entitled to kind of thing.
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In a nice way, I get the fear factor and all that.
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And I think he enjoyed meeting me.
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I certainly enjoyed meeting him.
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What did you see when you looked in his eyes?
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And you talked in detail about these other guys.
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Beautiful, beautiful human being.
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He was so kind, soft, spoken, measured.
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He had a character that was just soft and pleasant and jovial and just light.
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And just a, just seemed like a really beautiful human being.
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Really, I really mean that.
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But I didn't talk to him a whole lot about specifics.
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I didn't say, to me what you saw, like what exactly what did you, you know,
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I didn't get into that because I wasn't going to push his comfort zone.
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We just getting to know each other a little bit.
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Told him what I've been up to for the last, you know, 20, whatever years.
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We just had a really nice meeting.
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And we didn't say, you know, meet with us, go on, get none of that.
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But we kind of continued communication, Marco and I.
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And then for whatever reason he's getting separated from his wife or something,
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there's something going on.
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There's a very small window where he suddenly considering meeting with us and giving the story.
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And it's, I don't remember exactly what date was.
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I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say it was, let's just say it was a Sunday.
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Okay, I could be off.
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But it was a couple of days after we'd met with him.
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And he's suddenly thinking that maybe, just maybe, he might meet with us and do an on-camera thing,
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like on a Wednesday or two.
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He's just, he's flirting with the idea.
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So I see an opening.
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And Marco's going back and forth.
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We wanted, we wanted his testimony so badly.
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The guy who potentially drove this thing around at the military base.
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I've seen all the photographs of him at the base.
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I mean, the guy is exactly who he says he is.
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And I know in the past that when there's an opening, you don't let it shut.
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And you don't let him sleep on it.
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Because if they're in the moment, you let them think too much.
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You want to sleep that night?
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You know, he would have, like, gone, what am I thinking?
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Like, no, absolutely.
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I guarantee you that would have happened.
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He was right on the fence.
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You know, our meeting was fairly fresh.
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So I said, you tell him we're coming right now.
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And he's like, wow, you know, I really know where he's going to meet.
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I don't know if we can do it here.
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I want to be seen with this.
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I said, we're on our way.
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I'm taking a chance.
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I'm going to load up the cars, rock and roll, baby.
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It's like a four, three or four hour drive to the north.
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And, you know, he was texting with Marco.
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They were on app signal or something.
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I don't remember what signal they were on something.
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And they were kind of going back and forth.
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And I was like, oh, we can meet here.
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We had no meeting place.
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It was like this or run our way.
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Finally, his biggest fear.
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We had one building that we could have met.
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So he said, can't be there.
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You're damn straighting, come into my house.
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That's not going to happen.
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You know, and I can't be seen in public with you.
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I can't, you know, none of these things.
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So I was like, well, let's get a hotel room.
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And we'll rent the hotel room.
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We'll sneak all of our gear to the best of our ability into the hotel room.
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And then he just shows up the hotel room, walks in the lobby,
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and up he goes to our room.
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He's never, never seen together.
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We're in a hotel room of our choice.
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We know it's not bugged.
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We know it's not, you know, there's no way.
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Because we picked the hotel.
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So he seems to take to that.
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And we have a certain period of time.
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And that's how we did it.
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We went to the hotel room.
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And we set up very last minute.
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And got him in the room.
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And I was, my biggest fear was, let's just say that we arrived.
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And unless he was there with us too, a poor,
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unless he had to stay in the parking lot dance.
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And you didn't get to see any of it.
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But, but my biggest fear was,
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is that military X would arrive.
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And we're still unloading camera gear and tripods out of the damn car in the parking lot.
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And he would just like, I said, I'm out of here.
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I told these guys, I wouldn't, you know what I mean?
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He had just a little teeny room.
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We had a tiny little room and we had a narrow window like this.
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And it was so precarious at any moment this guy was going to get cold feet and leave.
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And you had it from the back with his voice changed.
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That was it. That was the only option.
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And it was, what did he say?
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So, the day started out like normal.
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Every day at the base.
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And then he said that he got a call yet he was summoned.
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It's the word that he used.
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He was summoned day in.
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That he was going to go on a mission.
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It was a secret mission.
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He was with some other fellow guys from S. Dois, S.2,
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which is military intelligence.
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And then he was going to be driving.
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The trucking is going to be following another vehicle.
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It was a convie, which is a Volkswagen bus.
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And he was following this bus.
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They arrive at one downtown Virginia.
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Then they get to either one hospital and then they go to another.
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They go to the back side of the Humanitas Hospital.
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And they pull their trucks up the back side of the Humanitas Hospital.
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And they get out and they go inside.
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And there's like a military presence.
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Doctors, people with clipboards.
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And there's a creature on the table inside of a body, like a box.
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And he sees the knee down.
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He sees everybody looking at it and he walks in.
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And I don't think that he was supposed to see it.
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He walks in, not really knowing what the hell is going on.
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And he sees this creature from a little above the knee cap down in a box.
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She's the toes sticking out.
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He sees the leg, part of the leg, brown skin, oily, greasy, just like everybody talked.
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