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Joe Rogan, what are you guys checking out?
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Shrained by Dave, Joe Rogan podcast by night all day.
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Both of you guys were in the program, which is a U of...
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That's why I wore my bras, well, shirt.
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UFO, disclosure documentary,
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all about what's going on behind the scenes.
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Why don't you tell everybody before we get started?
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Jay, tell them what your background is, what you do.
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We're a retired master sergeant from the Air Force.
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We worked 22 years, we're a retired 2037.
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Started off in the Airframe guy, ended up in Intel,
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and that's when things got strange.
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That my second duty of Simon as an Intel guy
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and got introduced to the program.
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And that's how I ended up in the movie
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as I had some strange experiences that I could talk about
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that were unclassified.
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So I came forward and that's where James founded me.
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And we got an all-home pretty good
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and everything is a history from there.
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And Logan, you were in the documentary as well,
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so tell everybody what you do.
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Pull this up to your face.
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So I'm also a retired master sergeant from the Air Force.
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Started off as a B-52 crew chief,
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a cross-training in Intel,
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a retired after 21 and a half.
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And I ended up being part of the UAP Task Force.
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And I was one of the first people to come across Jay here
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and some other people.
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James found out about me and said,
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okay, we need to talk.
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So him and Leslie Keane approached me
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and I was like, yeah.
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But I kind of got outed by Jay Stratton.
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Everybody was ganging up around me and he around him
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and he was like, why are you asking me?
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Logan worked for me and anybody would appreciate me.
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Okay, I guess I'm out.
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So let's start with you, Jay.
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What was your first introduction to this whole concept
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that we are in possession of alien crafts
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or that we have communicated or there's been some contact?
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What was your thoughts about it before you had these experiences?
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I had had a childhood experience with a UFO
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previous to that when I was 10 years old.
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So I didn't really get an interest in UFO at all.
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I just thought it was strange.
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I was also a shared experience with my mother.
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What was the experience?
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Well, it was just a red orb that came down.
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It looked like it came from the atmosphere, you know, distance.
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And then it kept approaching my bedroom window
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and ended up kind of hovering near the bottom of my street.
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And I was screaming to my parents, you know,
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there's a strange light outside and nobody responded.
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So I ran out to get my binoculars, my dad's binoculars,
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and ran out to the front lawn.
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And finally my mom was the only one that responded.
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And we both got to see it taking off as it came across
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the rooftop of my friend Eddie Souse at the bottom of the street.
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And that's what she's got to see him another night.
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Did it make any noise?
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Now it just looked like a total mirror,
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completely polished mirror kind of oblong kind of a ship or craft.
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It was about 30, 35 foot.
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Yeah, it was about the half the size of my friend's rooftop.
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If you were to measure it from front to back.
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So, you know, it's pretty big.
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It was enough for probably your eye to stand up in it
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and walk around a little bit.
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And your mother has the exact same recollection of the experience?
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Actually, I've been asked to write a book,
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so I've got her writing her part of that.
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And I'll have the same thing.
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I've had another couple of experiences that my family and members
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and other friends will probably write up some.
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And so this was all when you were young.
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And so you had this memory in your head when you started working
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But when will you introduce to the whole idea
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that this is a real thing?
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Well, I know it's on mission,
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because I just kind of filed away that UFO experience
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at 10 years old for many years.
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And I just was kind of even skeptical sometimes about,
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well, maybe it was just something, you know,
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an aberration in my mind or eyes or something.
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But anyway, so I got really convinced that this was real
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when I was at Wright Pat on a mission,
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when I was in the program.
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And we intercepted some calls that literally were speaking
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about an NHI presence in the program.
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And they were working in labs.
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So Wright Pat for everybody,
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Wright Patters in Air Force Base in Ohio,
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and NHI non-human intelligence, right?
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And so they were saying,
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how much can you say, like,
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is any of this top secret or is any of this...
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I can pretty much talk about the culture
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and the presence of the NHI,
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but I can't talk about weapon systems
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and the technology of their development.
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That's all going to have to be national security stuff
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because we don't want our enemies to know what we got.
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So what was this talk of NHI?
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Well, it was between two people that were talking about
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the day's interview with this NHI that they had
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they called an even.
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Yeah, he had had an interview with them
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and he was relaying what was talked about
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in that interview to another individual,
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probably his boss or somebody that is in the program.
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He was a boss or somebody that is going to pass it on
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to the rest of the folks in the group or whatever.
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Do you see this written down?
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I had it recorded, just like you would,
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with anything else that's, you know,
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it's recorded in such a way that it can stand legal,
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forensic kind of analysis.
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That's the level of stuff that you have to do
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with an intel guy is you have to be really specific
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about what you're recording and make sure it's accurate,
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even whether you believe it or not,
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you have to be able to transcribe that word for word to
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So you heard the recording.
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That's how you found out about this non-human intelligence thing.
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Well, it was an active phone call.
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That's what I did on the red team that I was on for the program,
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because I was monitoring for the Air Force.
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And in this case, I'm monitoring for the program.
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Can you say how the conversation went?
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Like, how did someone bring up non-human intelligence?
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What was like, was there any discussion before this non-human
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intelligence of UFOs at all or aliens at all?
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Yeah, there was quite a few times.
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We had a scientist on the team who was an officer.
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He was a nuclear scientist.
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And he was able to give us some insights and stuff like that,
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because we'd have some really strange things like things
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that were turning at 90 degrees.
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And how do you not break that piece of machinery
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or are not kill the occupants?
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And we were hearing stuff like that.
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And they had like very technical parameters
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that I can't discuss.
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But we're talking about these, and we get the scientists to come and talk to us.
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And they say, oh, yeah, that's this, this, and this.
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And so how does the conversation go or the non-human intelligence gets brought up?
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That was just like the two of them that when I picked up the call and started recording on it.
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There was some guy that was there at Right Pack.
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And apparently he had been talking to this even.
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And he said, yeah, up to Deshition.
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We've got some more information you need to hear about.
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happen. He says that there's going to be another meeting and that if we don't
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return the equipment and the prisoners, there's going to be some bad things
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happen. We have prisoners. Yes. This is what they said on the phone call. The
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other guy's like, well, hey, what if we can't get them to return all the
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equipment and the people? And the guy that had given the interview, he's like,
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you don't want to do that. And the guy's like, well, why? He said, if you don't,
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they're going to be put to death. And I was like, I literally stepped back for
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a minute and I was like, what's going on here? So I had to finish out the call.
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They talked about sundry, other things just stupid. Can you be a little bit more
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clear like, who's going to be put to death? The program folks that are
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responsible for keeping the tech that's not theirs. And also, you know, doing
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things to these extraterrestrials. How did they allegedly acquire this tech?
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Retrievals. Retrievals. Yeah, when I was first introduced into the program, one
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of the very first things they asked me was, do you want to be part of the
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retrieval program? And I said, well, tell me about it. And when they said the
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things they said, I was like, no, number one, it sounds gross. Number two, you
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probably can't give me enough PPE gear and hazmat gear to make me feel safe
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around these things. And no, I'm not interested in that. Thank you very much.
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So how do they describe it that freaked you out that much? They're talking about
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biological entities that are retrieved along with the crash? Yes. Why do they
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crash with their so-fuckin smart? That's always the big question, right? Well,
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I think the new guy on the block, Jake Barber, he's describing some of the ways
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that you can do this. Sionically, I guess a Sionic team is going to start showing
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some of that to the world that some of this is some of these crafter are manned
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and piloted by consciousness. And apparently they have a Sionics team that can
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actually get in the headspace of these craft and cause them to land. So it's not
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really a forced landing, it's just kind of a mutual thing. So wait a minute, the
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United States government has the ability to contact or interact with these
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craft and force them to land? Yes. And then there's other ones that are
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done kinetically, which is more of the scary side of it and the ugly side of the
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program is that what you've got here is it's not so much the military doing this,
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but the corporate people like Lockheed, you know, Northrop and all these other
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companies, they treat this stuff as very high value target kind of stuff and it's very
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valuable for them to get the retrievals. So you've got really what amounts to a bunch of
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treasure hunters that are hired with mercenaries involved as well that go out for these retrievals.
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And that's where Jake Barber comes in is that he sees some of these people that are hired to
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come out and retrieve this stuff and he's done that. So the idea would be that the retrievals
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would be very valuable because you could back engineer the task, figure out how it works,
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make weapons systems, make superior crafts. Exactly. How long has this supposedly been going on for?
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Decades. It's been going on for a very long time. But okay, so it's a tech.
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You'd be far more born. But if the tech that we have now that allows us to tell them to land
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didn't exist before. Why did they crash before? Like what is Roswell? Well Roswell,
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the most accurate account is the one where the microwave radar waveform upset the
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onboard avionics inside these craft that these NHI were flying on that day in Roswell.
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But just radar is just a detection signal, right? Right. But if you look at some of the stuff like
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Gary and Owen said about how you know even at the very molecular level these things are organized,
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very minutely. So you can imagine what even a flow of electricity if it affects it wrong or
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if it's at the right wavelength, it does break down the electrical current and the electromagnetic
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or whatever drive that they might have. And that seems to be what happened at Roswell.
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They actually accidentally went in and were just sweeping like a radar and it caused this
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crafted crash. What a shit design. You know what I'm saying? Imagine if you bought a Tesla and
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the wheels fly off when it rains out, you'd be like what the fuck? You guys have this super advanced
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vehicle that you can come here from another planet and radar makes you crash? That kind of stuff
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makes people incredulous, right? I'd like to add something here. Someone gave me an analogy to say,
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think of it as there's a type of metal that is totally non-magnetic. But as soon as you put a
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current through it, it becomes magnetic, all right? And he said, imagine this. You're in Roswell,
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you're cruising along, you're checking out everybody doing their thing. And then because remember
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that night there was a huge electrical storm. That's one of the big things they keep talking about.
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If one of those things gets hit and all of a sudden they slam together because now they're
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magnetic and then they bounce off. And that's why you had one that landed in Roswell area and the
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one that landed somewhere off. Yes there were two. So that was what someone told me now. I've never
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been able to figure out if that's the actual truth. But the two most likely possibilities is that one
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and what Jay just said. There's actually another person that was approached by the same race of
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NHI. And this guy says that they actually recounted what happened is that they thought they were
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attacked by a directed energy weapon. And then they quickly found out that no, this was just accidental.
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And this was some sort of a radar system that just caused their onboard computer to go, hey,
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why are we just that second enough to call us to crash the carpet? It almost doesn't make sense to
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me. Because like if you were going to go visit a non-contacted tribe in the Amazon, you would assume
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that they have weapons. You'd assume they have bows and arrows. And if you got hit with an arrow,
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you'd be like, this is crazy. You know, I can't believe I got shot by an arrow. But you wouldn't be
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surprised that they have arrows. Like you would probably read, hey man, we should be real careful
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that they might have arrows. They're my chootas. So if you're visiting the human race and you're
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so advanced that in 1947, you can come here from wherever, another plan, another dimension,
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whatever you're doing. Wouldn't you know about radar and wouldn't you have like a system to prepare
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yourself for storms? Yes. And that's something that might have taken them by surprise because you're
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talking about 1950s radars. We're not all that new, but they weren't all that old either. When
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was radar invented, you know? It was World War II, if I remember correctly. Yeah, it was World War II.
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So it was right around the 1950s, right? Right around the same time. Right. So it may have been
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unexpected technology for them. And maybe they just didn't have their countermeasures up or something.
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There could have been some type of arrogance there because think about it. If we, based on our
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understanding, we believe that they've been coming here for thousands of years. Nothing's ever
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happened. And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden this new technology and it caused their
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shift to crash. So you have to think about the time frame of when this radar stuff was actually
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being, and besides that, they do not always, I intercepted a different call that states that they
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do have a periodic density between when they come and go. They're not always here, right? They're
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out doing other things, I guess. And I treat this like a segment on the Arsenio Hall show.
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Things to make you go, hmm, I'm not sure. It just seems dumb. It just seems dumb that radar could
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take them out. But one of the things about the Varginia crash, which is another James Fox
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documentary, which is excellent, which is all about the crash in Brazil, which is heavily documented,
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including the guy who handled the body, wind up dying of some unknown bacterial illness that they
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have no idea what it was. It was a young, healthy guy. He carried this, supposedly carried this being,
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put it in his patrol car, took it to a hospital. They wouldn't accept it, had to take it to another
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hospital. And then two weeks later, this guy's dead. And he just got unbelievably sick. There's
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nothing they could do to help him. They flooded him with antibiotics, all kinds of different things.
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There was nothing worked. He died very quickly. When you hear about that story, the big thing was that
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there was some sort of like crazy electrical storms that night. But again, if you're going to have a
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Tesla, you would assume the wheels won't fly off when it rains. And you're going to come here for
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another planet. Like what's on that planet? Oh, well, they occasionally have lightning. Let's not
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fuck around if they have lightning. Let's not go into the storm. If you're in a plane, you can go
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above the storm. You know how I want to make your pilots? We're going to take this plane above
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45,000 free to, you know, to let you know. And then you look down, you can see lightning below you in
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the clouds. It's kind of crazy. How can they can do that? You got me. I was born in 63. This has
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happened earlier than I even got there. I'm just trying to go off of what I heard on. I understand.
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I mean, I'm just, I'm just, you know, playing devil's advocate. And I agree. I kind of had the same
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thoughts. But at the same time, you know, we've made similar stupid decisions when it comes to battles.
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And I know, but I would just assume they're way better than us. Right? I would assume they, like
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you were talking about arrogance. I would assume they don't have that anymore. Like, no,
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it's not working. I'm working more at that out of the system. We should work it out of the system.
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Well, I think that that's true to an extent. But I think also they're very common. They have
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things in common with us as well that they do have, you know, the same sorts of, you know, desires to
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want to live their life well and all these other things. So yeah. Well, it seems like if you want to
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go and do something, anything, like you want to explore the universe, you want to accomplish things,
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you want to make technology, it almost seems like some kind of self acknowledgement or some kind
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of ego has to be present. Yes. Like otherwise, there's no motivation to do anything. Like, this
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was the question about artificial intelligence. We were talking about this. And I said, but if artificial
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intelligence doesn't have any human needs, it doesn't have any, it doesn't have the desire to spread
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its DNA, it doesn't have the desire to achieve status. Why would it do anything? Why wouldn't it just
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sit there and just observe and just watch us be stupid? And maybe it would say logically, it would
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interfere if we were about to blow each other up or something crazy with that. But other than that,
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why would it do anything? Why would it have any desire to take old? Well, look at us. And this is
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where I think there's a commonality between us and the NHI. We're intelligence, intelligent people.
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Some of us. Some of us. And then go on TikTok. I've seen that stupidity. Oh yeah. Okay,
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it's different. But actually, though, they obviously were intelligent and joking. But they probably
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have a desire for entertainment, which we do have a great, you know, we're very entertaining. We love
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that. And they probably have a curiosity as well. They have to, right? If they're exploring
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while to the explore. So it's whatever it is that made us us, you know, from ancient primates to
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what we are today, a big part of that is all these needs and desires. And you got to wonder,
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like at some point in time, does that get engineered out of the biological system? And if it does,
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that system seems like it wouldn't need to just explore it all. And less, it's facilitating a
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process. Unless there's a very delicate process where advanced life forms like ourselves are
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experiencing this new technology. And a lot of the people that are in possession of the technology
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aren't even the ones who created it. So they have all this insane responsibility, but they've
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done none of the work and they have power over this technology, which is what we find ourselves
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today. It's real weird. Imagine that's a process that all intelligent life goes through as it's
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evolving all throughout the universe. Maybe they know this. Maybe they maybe it's a precarious thing,
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and maybe it has to be monitored because like, oh, you know, star 15. Remember that third planet?
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Yeah, they're fucking whack the whole planet. They're out there too late. And they realize, oh,
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that took like four billion years to make intelligent life that could figure out cell phones. And these
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dipshits blew each other up. And now there's nothing but microbes. And it's going to take
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billions of years and it might not even work because they might be too far from the sun by then.
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And for another test case. Yeah. So let's, uh, let's prevent these territorial primates from killing
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each other. And just maybe that's a thing that they do throughout the universe, like farmers.
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Like, you know, make sure the wolves don't eat the calves. You know, just like protect it until
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it gets to this next stage. And I have to say that on mission that I did get that feeling that
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no matter where the NHI were mentioned, it was not a culpacetic, free-for-all exchange of
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technologies at all. It was very controlled by the NHI. Uh, if there was a lab environment,
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the NHI demanded that no human being in the lab while they're there or are watching what they're
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doing and record what they're doing. And then they would leave and then the humans could come in.
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So it's very precarious little game they're playing. So how long have they supposed to leave
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been having these interactions with NHIs? I'd say since I don't like calling them an HIs.
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I call them aliens. For me, a game. I wasn't. Yeah, I like just calling them aliens or whatever.
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But, um, yeah, I think it happened in the eyes nowadays, you know, that that's when it really
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started to come because that's when they were saying that this UFO came to Holman and landed
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and actually talked to the president at the time. And all that stuff. Imagine the UFO talking to Trump.
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Oh, yeah, he probably tried to tax them. So my biggest question, and anytime someone brings up
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NHI aliens, my first thing is which one? Which one? Because they talk about it as if it's one entity.
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Oh, they did that. Oh, they did this. But when you break it down, we're hearing some like us and
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want us to evolve some don't like us and want us to kind of pull back pull back. And they want to
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control certain things. So I'm like, well, which one? And then they they look at me with that deer
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in the headlight. Look like, oh, um, I don't know. Right. So there's the idea that our superiors that
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the military, the top levels of government, they even they are not given all the information.
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Right. Because probably we're like a bunch of children, you know, we're like, you're too stupid
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to figure this out. I'm not going to tell you what a nuclear bomb is just ducking cover.
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However, we could be the greatest show in this part of the universe. I'm sure. Great show.
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I mean, imagine when we talk about the, you know, the things with the nuclear bombs where the
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the missiles silos, they, you know, started counting down or whatever. Right. Maybe it's like,
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Hey, hmm, let's see how far they'll go if we do this. Right. And everybody gets all excited.
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And then I was like, okay, we're just kidding. We'll turn it off and go from there.
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Well, perhaps, I mean, listen, we run experiments all the time on animals all the time.
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And we have collars on bears. We sent them loose. Like, let's follow the bear. Where's he going?
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We do that all the time. We do that with all kinds of species. You would do. And I think it's
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only makes sense that they would do with us, especially. So since we're, we literally have the
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ability to annihilate all life on earth. And we're pointing at each other multiple times. Yeah.
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And that world. Yeah, mad mad world. It's a mad mad world. I had that argument with Neil
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DeGrasse Tyson. I was like, why would they be interested in us? Like, what are you talking? We go to
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the jungle to study a frog. You know, like, of course they would come here. We're, we're so strange.
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And we protect the turtles in that one little area that EPA says, oh, no, you can't mess with
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those turtles. Yeah. Imagine Elon gets to Mars and we do find life there. And we'd be so
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interested to figure out how it works. What makes it tick? You know, they believe they found
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actual water on Mars, not frozen water now. Yeah. And the polls, yeah, I heard about that. That's nuts.
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Because if there's actual water in there and they can find something in that water that's alive.
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Yeah. But if we don't, if we're going to expand out into the universe, which is what Elon
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Mars says, the fact that we don't have to bring water with us, right? That's huge. Right.
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I can Mars water. I don't drink tap water and I definitely drink in Mars water. It could be better
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than that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Imagine if it's like filled with crazy minerals and you drink a glass of Mars water and you just
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feel incredible. And then we have to shift Mars water from Mars back to LA. That's the new thing.
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That's the war right there. That's the war right there. People are going to be like, how come
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they have it? We don't ride. There'll be water. What if Mars water just makes you go back in time?
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Like you look 20 again. Yeah. You know, I mean, who knows what the fuck's in that water?
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I don't know. But those are the kind of things you write though that that's kind of how we are.
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It's that we're very curious about what's on that planet. Yeah. We can utilize the resources that
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are there like the water and everything else. And we're going to learn some stuff. And take a long time.
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But I'm really curious about is what was Mars like before it lost its atmosphere?
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Me too. And was there a time a few billion years ago where Mars was like Earth?
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You know, and it's to be what people are seeing. That's that's the craziest of all theories,
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right? And the most interesting. But if you know, Earth still exists five billion years from now
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and now it's cold and dead and there's nothing. How much would be left? How much is left after
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a couple of billion years? You know, what is really left over? What does it look like?
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Does it look like Mars? Because Mars looks completely desolate. But we know that Mars had water.
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And we know Mars had a warmer climate. So it kind of just assumed there was something
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growing there. What does it look like a couple of billion years later? Probably like Mars.
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Yeah. Which is great. If we do find out that Mars at one point in time housed biological life or
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maybe there's microbial life or something like that that still exists on Mars, just the climate
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is so harsh it can't advance past that stage. That alone would just change our whole view of the
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universe itself. Because then we would start to consider, okay, maybe this isn't just this one
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thing that happened. Maybe the Fermi paradox is just that we don't have the ability to detect
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all these things that are right there. Yeah, we don't know. Maybe they really do pass by and keep
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their doors closed. Can't lock. Right, we're fucking shooting fireworks and fourthed July. We're nuts.
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We're the craziest species on this planet. By far, everything else is normal. Everything else
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just kills what it wants to eat. Everything else, you know, does normal stuff. They fight over
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resources, but that kind of makes sense biologically. Honestly, after my experience in the program,
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I found that it seems the more I think about it, the more that they are very much like us in a
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lot of ways, but they have probably a world government that we do not have. In other words,
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they can get along in their own society much better than we can in their former government is not
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all broken up. I think if you branch out into the solar system and then into the galaxy,
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like as you start spreading out, if you do become some sort of an interstellar species,
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you kind of have to be united as a planet. Right? You got to go, look all this bullshit about
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the this country and that country. Let's let it go. Let's let it go. I mean, I don't want one world
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government because I don't trust the government, but if I did trust the government, I'd be like,
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one world government is the way to go. Everybody should have the same resources. Everybody should
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have the same access to healthy food and water and cleaned air. It should be the same for everybody.
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It shouldn't be that you can make an iPhone in China because they can make it for 15 cents because
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the people are working like slaves. Exactly. It shouldn't be like that. It should be like the whole
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world as the same rules, but the problem is you can't trust the government. So what do you do? Well,
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if you get to a point where everybody's so advanced that we don't have all the same greed and the
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lust and all the bullshit that ruins human society, if aliens get to that point, then it only makes
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sense that they would operate as a planet. But then they would have like their interest in a head
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of these fuckers on that other planet. So, you know, a lot of those lines, it's those things that
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you talked about, those are the things that inherently make us human. I'm sorry. The hand moves.
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Okay. If you want to sit back. Those are the things that inherently make us humans. So the question
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would be depending on what it, which hand in child you're thinking about, what inherently makes
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them them and how compatible are we and what we're looking at? Because those could be some of the
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things that attract them to us or detract them away from us. What I'm interested in is,
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are there things just like us? Is this like, if you, you know, like there's similar plants that
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exist in similar ecosystems all over the world where ideally the seeds have never been able to get
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back and forth. But they're similar. And at least in some ways, it's just a matter of climate,
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resources, these plant over millions and millions of years, the same kind of plants grow.
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Similar kind of animals. There's rats all over the place. There's a pattern to it. Yeah, there's
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a pattern. At atomic level, there's a way that things occur naturally and they form different
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things. So a bird, I agree. I think when I talked about it the first time we spoke on the phone is
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that yeah, there probably is a bird kind of looks like a bird on another part of the universe, but
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maybe it has, you know, two sets of wings, right or two heads or something. I don't know.
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Something similar, like, I mean, birds vary so wide. I mean, you can get a sparrow, you can get a
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fucking eagle or a condor. There's so many different kinds of birds too. But I wonder, is this the only
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kind of way life evolves or are there planets that are just radically different that are planet and
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life forms in a completely different way? I would think that that's true also is that there's
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exceptions to the rule, just like there are here on earth that we've got some really strange creatures
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that roam around like people are starting to say, Octopi and stuff, they don't fit the normal way
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that things evolve around the earth and stuff. And there's no bones there, so you know, you're not
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going to find any fossils anywhere. But if you think about some of the things that we're being
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told now, 99% of all life that lived before is all gone now. So if this is what's left, maybe some
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of those unique things that were out there, there's something similar because one of the things that
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I ponder is there's got to be some grand design because when we see these aliens, when they,
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whether they talk about it's a gray, it's a Nordic, it's draconian or if it's a mantis,
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they're all standing upright. So is that a part of the grand design that is intelligent as you get
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further up the food chain? You start to stand on your two legs and whatever. And then I think about
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if it's a mantis, whatever, how do they build their ships if they don't really have opposable
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thumbs and you know, those are the things that we're always taught. These are the things that make
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us unique as humans and we can build things and that's why the other animals didn't, you know,
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the only other animal out there is what the chimpanzee of the gorilla or something primates.
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But obviously nature finds a way and it's not human nature, it's something other type nature
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and they do something else. Well, it could be genetic engineering too. It could be the day
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they reach some point where they say, well, what's the best structure for a body? A mantis
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structure way better than a person's structure. We break so easy, mantis are insanely strong.
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You ever see a mantis catch a hummingbird at a feeder? Yes, it's nuts, man.
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Yeah, taking out tarantulas and scorpions. They're so little and they just snatch that
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fucker up and he can't move. And like if you looked at them, like the hummingbirds probably
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four times heavier at least, probably more than that. And he's just like,
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it's like that design, the exoskeleton design is superior in terms of like durability
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and also lobsters and crabs and all these kind of insects like that. Do you demand this?
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Regrow limbs? Let's find that out. All I know is that like crabs do.
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No crabs can. Lobsters and crabs all I think of them as just armored spiders.
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Yeah, good bugs. And if you think about when they said that the oxygen level was at 30,
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35% and some other stuff, they're saying some of these spiders were the size of small dogs.
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I'm like, yeah, that's not a place I'd like to live. So they can. So praying mantis undergo
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incomplete metamorphosis. Sometimes if their cage is too dry, a mantis may have trouble shedding
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old skin will lose a limb in the process of molting. If it happens, it's possible for a mantis to
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regrow the lost limb, but only when they molt again. So they molt again and then they regrow that limb.
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But they do regrow the limb. They regenerate limbs as long as there's at least a coxa remaining,
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whatever that is. They won't regenerate right away. And maybe a tiny nub and then they molt,
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I guess. Wow. That makes sense because the harder shell would prevent that limb from continuing
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through. Yeah. But it just seems like that's a superior form of a structure. So if you get to the
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point where technology is all done with the mind, right, we've developed artificial intelligence
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and quantum computing and the being has been generated over genetic engineering to the point
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where it no longer has to have sex to recreate new versions of itself. And so instead, the way
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they procreate is they do it through design. And maybe they say, look, it doesn't matter what you
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look like anymore. No one's fucking. Let's all become mantis. That's a good point. Right?
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This soft shit on the outside, like we're built. We're like fucking water balloons. We're so
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vulnerable. You'd better be, wouldn't it be better if you're hard on the outside? And, you know,
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we don't need to like use your fingers and thumbs and more. We do everything on their mind.
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I mean, if it gets to the point, like this was the thing that I've heard about people that have
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supposedly worked on crafts is that one of the most remarkable things that there's no
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there's no gears. There's no levers to turn. There's no buttons. There's no controls.
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That everything is done somehow or another where the being and the craft are one.
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Yes, yes, consciously. I've had discussions about that. Have you talked to anybody that has said
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that any of the crafts have controls in them? All I've heard, yes. Basic controls?
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Well, I was talking to Jack Sir Faudi about it. There was a craft that did have some place where
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the hands were in there, but it was only to sort of do some minor adjustments for the craft is what
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he was describing and other people have described. That's what I was going to say. All I've heard is
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that there's been two places for you to put your hands and maybe for other parts of the crew,
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but that's about it. Maybe that's how you don't use your phone. It's just extracted. Just use
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your hands. Put your hands down on the thing. So there's no one else in there. It's not about
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talking around. Maybe they have something similar to like cell phone addiction.
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So if they're putting their hands on the thing, wasn't that what Lazar said as well?
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Did Nisei say there was something similar to that? Yes, he did.
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No controls and somehow or another putting your hand on it syncs you up and then they're just
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using their mind. Correct. Did they try to explain how this was developed?
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There's a lot of people that are looking into it now and they're starting to see that yes,
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it's possible. I think that's again some of the new whistleblowers can shed some more light
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on to how this happens. I think we need to hear a little bit more about these folks that came
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forward about the psionics team. What exactly is this meditation? What are they linking up with?
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Does it feel mechanical? Does it feel like an entity? Because you know, we hear Jake talk about his
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experiences. He had a really spiritual experience with one of these things. While he was
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carrying it to the next place, he was literally crying in the interview. This is that egg-looking thing.
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Yeah, he said that he felt, well, he called it the eight gone, I think, craft. That one is the one
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he had a spiritual eight gone, eight gone like a hexagon, but his eight sides, but or octagon, I think
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would be the actual term, but he said it had like a eight sided kind of a disc. So this is not the
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thing we're talking about. This is a different one. So he encountered a different one. Yeah, okay.
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I didn't see that interview. Yeah, well, the detailed one, I think you can pull that one out of
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there, but he mentioned that that one, he had like a real no-kid and it was beautiful and he cried
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about it because it was so beautiful of an experience. Wow. And I have a question about all those
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things because if they can get into our minds, my thing is that how do you know that that's not
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what they're putting into your head? Because like what they experienced at a skateboard
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branch when they saw the creature on the top floor, they said as they approached it,
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they started feeling fear. And as they approached it further, the fear just kept intensifying to
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the point where it was like a physical change in the temperature. So if someone can put fear into
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you, why can't they put love into you and all these different things? And I'm not saying that it's
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not genuine, but part of being on the task force, you have to question everything.
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Well, we can do that to each other. Yes. You know, we can do that to each other through threats.
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We can put fear into people. We can do that. You know, there's a crazy documentary called Holy Hell
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and it's about this guy who was a cult leader and one of the things that he would do to these people,
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he was a hypnotist too, but one of the things that he would do these people, he called it the knowing
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and he would put his hands on them and they would say that they would experience God. They had to be
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prepared for it. It was a thing that was very difficult to get. He had to prove you for it and all
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these people wanted it and they never got it. It was like a thing he held over your head and then
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when he actually did it, even though this guy turned out to be a complete fraud and the cult
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disbanded, all those people talk about that moment when they had that experience with that guy and
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they say it really happened because the human mind is weird. A person can do that to you by
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touching you. It just makes sense that some super advanced being would say, what is the best
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feeling that I could give to this primitive entity that's studying me to let me know,
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don't blow me up, don't fuck with me. 100%. This is the best expression that you can have in life.
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What is the best expression you have in life? It's love. Pure love. It's just untethered love.
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It would make sense. It would put that in you so that you would protect this thing.
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And that may be part of it and I think that's what their desire is because we would try to put
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our best foot forward if we knew that we were similarly being scrutinized. Sure. We'd want to do
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that. We visit uncontacted tribes to give them free food. We're here for you guys.
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Fear is that's why I came forward is that I was hearing stuff that actually
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brought concern. In the way I kind of
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packaged that up is that the military happens to be unfortunately the face of human kind here
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in this situation. It comes to the program because it's definitely not the public. We're just
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apparently having people come forward with I got abducted or I saw this and I saw that.
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But in the military that seems to be where there is an interface going on.
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Right. And I'm just wondering is that too heavy handed because they're not seeing the full human.
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Right. They're only seeing the military human.
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Right. And that's why I'm kind of took the tact I did instead of going through all the other
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channels. I just was like let me try something new. Let me talk to the people. I get to know the
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people what they feel about this. And I'll just tell my story. Whatever happens happens.
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Yeah, I took some spears but you know most for the most part people are ready for this.
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People will be able to definitely want it whether they're ready for it. We'll find out if it
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actually becomes bigger and more profound than what we've currently experienced.
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Yeah, I got I got to ask the question and they said if you were going to go to Congress and
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say here's what we need to know about the UAP experience. What would you tell everybody?
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That's a good question. And my answer was we don't need you anymore because so many groups now
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have caught on that if they attune themselves to whatever it is, they can talk to these things
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directly themselves. Now whether it's good or bad but because of the the badness that has
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transpired over the years more and more people of like you you said you don't trust the government.
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There's people they don't trust the government all in this other thing. So they're like let's
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reach out by ourselves. You've got people doing you know RV and out of the body experience and all
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that other stuff. You've got people that are being contacted directly so now they're trying to say
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things. And also too we're evolving. So as we're evolving and other things start happening you have
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to start questioning why do we need the government in the middle of this? Please don't take this the
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wrong way because people get angry. It's kind of like the Catholic church. I was always told if you
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want to talk to God you talk to God but then why do I need a priest? Right. You know so the
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government's always been the middleman so do we really still need him? So when you're saying that
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all these people have figured out these methods how to communicate with the aliens what you're
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talking about is like people sitting down support this is something I'm hearing a lot lately
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sitting down and supposedly summoning them putting out like an intention and that they would
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they will come. Yes does that happen with you? You ever try it? I haven't yet so why wouldn't you try it?
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If you think that's real. I tell everybody I'm black and I'm afraid of the wool.
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But at some point I know I'm going to have to embrace it because it is part of the experience.
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So like I'm good friends with Travis Taylor and when we first started talking he was like okay I'd
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like to talk to you about coming out to the ranch you and some of your friends you're
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intel guys and we just we know we talked about it and then I kind of put it up in the room and said hey
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guys if we had a chance to go out to the ranch who would go and all the white people put their
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hands up right away. All the black people were like in the corner going now let's think about this
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and I sat there and I go why is it that we're so you know reserved about going
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and I remember something that someone told me was when the woo happens you embrace it but
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you don't run towards it because that whatever that experience is it was probably meant for
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somebody else and now you're interfering when you run towards it. Right so if you summon the
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UFO like if they come to visit you that's meant to happen to you what if you're summoning them?
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Yes you may be you may be causing a distraction. Yeah also like what do you
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I mean people say that yeah if I could if I could experience UFO contact I would well would you
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really because that might fuck up the whole rest of your life like what if it does happen and then
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it never happens again and then you have a wife and kids and a house and you just sit in your
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fucking living room trying to pay attention to this football game what are you thinking about?
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I've seen a fucking alien I've seen UFOs they've come down and communicate with me telepathically.
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I know they're real they're real yeah well it would ruin your whole life remember that
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remember that movie with Ben Af like I think it was called like chasing Amy and chasing Amy I remember
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the name yeah I don't remember there was not that Amy no but there was something that was
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said in there that always made me think after you have a first experience and in this particular case
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there was talking about your first orgasm you're always chasing after that first best feeling that
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you ever had you never you're never gonna get there but you're chasing it they talk about heroin too
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yes you call it chasing the dragon yes so so if you're one of those people that had a really
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profound experience with a creature from another world yeah you can't really explain it to everybody
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else so you're looking for something else to to make it seem real because you start questioning
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everything that you know you know and that's that's so I was I my my first experience was when
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I was a kid in England and me and a friend were just throwing a ball back and forward and you know
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in the old days people used to wrap the sneakers around the telephone lines so I just happened to see
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that there was some sneakers up there and then all of a sudden I look off in the distance and there's
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this UAP UFO that looks like an iron that you would iron your clothes with the whole bottom part
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was glowing the top part was just dullish great because you know England it grace guys was the
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shape the top like an iron as well yes yes so they're like a hump to it kind of had a hump to it
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so I'm sitting there going well what is that and he goes that's got to be a helicopter because it's
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just standing there and I was like but I don't hear any noise you know and then next thing you know
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we saw I believe it was two F4 jets come because you could hear them those engines are loud
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and this thing these two jets come out and this thing just goes and this is when I was living in
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Nottingham England because I'm I'm British by birth all right so you know our parents were like
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hey too much imagination that I that I that I that I and I just kind of kept it in the back of my
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head and then I saw things later and I just kept questioning them and finally it was like
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I'm really gonna have to look into this so how old were you I was about 10 10 so you were and you
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said you were like 10 as well this is one of the things that I keep hearing about this idea that
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children and their innocence or they're they don't have this blockade in their head to keep them
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from they don't think it's ridiculous to think about aliens they're they're open to it more we
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we talked about this and that was a program as we get mature yeah we don't want to be fools right
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so I believe and this is just my belief not anybody's but I believe from the mid 19
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50s all the way up to the mid 1990s I think there was a deliberate attempt by these entities
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to reach out to school children and going to the schools because remember the room
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of my way right that one's crazy right that's crazy because all those years later they all
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have the same story yeah they all drew the same thing independently they pulled all the way to
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the adult to remember it yeah and then there's a stuff in Australia there's a stuff in England there's
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a stuff in France it's constantly I think the Australia ones are all similar too right yeah I think
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his name was Preston Dennett he wrote a book I hope your viewers read it or take a look at it it's like
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the top 100 school sightings and half of it is based on just the sighting another part of it is
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based on the actual thing landing and trying to communicate with the kids and I sat there just
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thinking were they doing that to prepare us for now for when they do come back so we're not so
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afraid the kids are more open-minded I'm not sure but you have to think about those things and go
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you know can't aren't you are sending a whole thing to make you go you know so those were some
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of the things that we just started thinking about and going well what if and then I hate to play
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what if games because my favorite what if is what if forms had machine guns birch wouldn't mess with
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them but but you have to play that game sometime and just gonna draw it out and then see if it if
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you have a hypothesis that can start repeating itself and then you go hey there is something to this
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well the real question is how long have entities been visiting us and are the same entities
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visiting us over and over again or like the Zimbabwe incident is that like the first time that species
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has ever been here and did they just seek contact and didn't know that they're dealing with
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little children in a school they just knew they're dealing with a group of intelligent beings
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that they can communicate with they probably don't even have the concept of a school right
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so if they they're landing I mean they probably understand basic culture for human beings but
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as they land and interact with people this might be the first time they've this species
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is interactive with anybody we don't know I mean we're dealing with yes hundreds of billions of
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stars just in this galaxy alone and personally from just my belief in it is that we have millennia
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of these sorts of encounters all through manuscripts even George Washington's got his story
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you know George Washington's story yeah he met a green somebody before he actually went into
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yeah pull that up Jamie George Washington had a UFO encounter well yeah or an entity encounter
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an entity he just said that this was George Washington also had lead poisoning
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uh Shane Gillis Shane Gillis has the best bit about George Washington if you're ever seen it's
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fucking hilarious but going to the George Washington Museum and seeing George Washington's teeth
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and George Washington's teeth they're all wooden well no they were slave teeth first of all they
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knocked some of the teeth out of slaves mouths and the other ones were from horses oh my god and it
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was set in it is all in lead so they have lead in his mouth I was thought there all so his joke is
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all about like George Washington being fucking mad with lead boys like he killed everybody
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that's why he said the fun of the boat he was out of his fucking mind yeah it's a great bit but
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but the point is like George Washington was being poisoned by you know medical science at the time
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they didn't know that lead was bad for you yeah it's just crazy kept lead in his mouth yeah but uh
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I don't know I know but like makes you wonder like what are we doing right now that the future people
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gonna go these fucking idiots were doing that um but George Washington if you found his account Jamie
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so good enough solid reference
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it's legit yeah get George Eosuke close to say it was yeah so so all those all those things that
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happened to those kids we don't know if it was I mean we're hearing stories now that they can
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mess with your mind we don't know if they're pushing these kids forward mentally we don't know if
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they're you know dumbing them down because they know that these kids are gonna be the ones that
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are gonna make a difference because it all depends on what they're all adults now right yeah or any
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of them like real exceptional or any of them like PhDs or something like I have not I have not
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gone to check any of that but one of the things that coincides with that that I kind of I think there
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was exceptional people usually have to do some exceptional things to get noticed and I think even
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if you're exceptionally you may not have fit the right block to get to get noticed so that someone
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would sit there and go hey what's going on in your past whatever and then there's a lot of these
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people they just don't want to talk about right because of whatever the stigma but now that the
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stigma is being lifted you know who knows maybe the thing is being lifted but people still live with
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the haunting memory of the stigma being a part of their life so I think people that have had an
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experience a long time ago even though the stigma is lifted they're still reluctant to talk about it
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it's like there's still people that are in the closet like homosexuality is like way less taboo than
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it's ever been in in modern history right but yet there's still people that have been the closet
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for 20 years and then trapped and they just like fuck and they can't get themselves they can't get
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out I think for a lot of people that have had these crazy experiences they probably had some moments
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where they told people friends they got mocked and people called them liars they felt like an idiot
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like I'm just not telling anybody this anymore yep which totally makes sense yeah it's the same
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thing that's happening on X and other platforms as well as this people coming forward trying to
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speak their truth and they get shut down by people that don't have never been there they're just
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opinionating yeah but this that's just toxic internet that's just a lot of hundred percent I agree
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I just human beings online they're just not good at it we're not good this it's too new we suck at
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it we're real shitty to each other yeah you know it's and too many people it's like they're mentally ill
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and what I what I mean by mentally ill is like if you're on Twitter 12 hours a day and you constantly
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tweeting before you go to bed you're mentally ill you might not think you're mentally ill just like
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when you're in alcoholic you're mentally ill if you're gambling addict you're mentally ill you're
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not well right you're fucking trying to bet your house on a football game you're ready to fucking
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mind you're addicted yeah you're mentally ill you're mentally ill if you're on Twitter all day just
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arguing with people it's it's just the nature of the technology and the the very crude way that
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people interact with each other which leads you to think that as technology evolves and he gets to
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the point where we're communicating telepathy through telepathy telepathically like supposedly they
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can it sort of eliminates the need to even know our language they can just come and and give us
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thoughts and express things in a pure way without the need to like decipher it through syntax and
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but they're still the the worry of misinterpretation because my family was pretty religious and when
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I was going out there like God is omnipotent God knows everything God doesn't make mistakes
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in everything and then I was like yeah that's not exactly true but if you think that God is omnipotent
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and he's communicating with everybody how is it that all the leads of it deserve a church have
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different views on how we're supposed to talk to God if God is right why isn't he just saying
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experience really yeah and it's the same thing with the I think the NHI is that like you're saying
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you'd like to put a pattern to it yeah but maybe there's not there's some you know very random
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things that have happened in other encounters but there's some of them that do seem to be have a
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concerted effort that prolonged effort from even millennia because we do see like old stone
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ancient you know monuments and monoliths that do you have these depictions of what look exactly like
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grace yeah you know the craziest one is hit in Australia the one that's on the wall where there's
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all these dudes the big eyes there's a there's a couple of places where there's a couple of those
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their cave paintings they were like that where there's from I think there's some down in South
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America I saved one I'll send it to you Jamie because it just I saw so much stuff online and it
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freaked me out so much I saved it on my phone I was like this is so crazy just to look at yeah
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and there was one on the side of a like a hillside or a cliff face yeah that was me ask why why why
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freaked you out this well because I just sent it to Jamie we take a look at it right here Jamie
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you can throw that through a Google search you can find out where it is or I'll do that while you
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put it up on the screen it freaks me out because these people were starving these people were like
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barely getting by right they're they have stone tools and they took the time to draw these things
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with these like weird helmets on and these big black eyes which is very similar to so many
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different encounters that people have they they all describe a very similar thing a big head with
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giant black eyes so so those are the typical graves but I heard in South America there were people
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that they showed that picture to him they called them the ant people because they said they came
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from underground well that's that's the other question like we're just sort of assuming that these
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things are definitely from another planet that they're not here and they haven't been here all along
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yeah that's the size of the novel yeah so yeah these are Aboriginal drawings or Aboriginal paintings
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yes yes so this is from Australia which is just really wild and you get them all over the world
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all over the world yeah and real similar all over the world yes you got them in Ireland yeah you got
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them in the United States get central America in the vast majority of those children that saw UAP
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that came down to other school if there was an entity that was there it was usually the
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typical gray looking ones that were there well the ones that they saw in Vagina Brazil are kind of
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similar but they seem like a darker color like it was almost like a purple right yeah with red
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as you purple or something like that but they did have the black eyes and the large heads and they
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had horns though there was a very specific one that they said the pictures that were seen for
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Vagina this one had red eyes and the reason why I'm bringing that up is because a friend of mine
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contacted me a mutual friend that we talked about oh okay yeah he talked he uh he was talking about
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something known as the Dover demon and it's over by Dover Dover Delaware and there was supposed
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to be an incident where a UAP came down and there was a creature and it looked a lot like the
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Vagina creature with the red eyes and whatever so he was asking that's what the Vagina thing oh that's
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the Dover demon yeah that's the Dover yeah that looks like a shoe bill bird that crazy bird yeah but
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it had bright red eyes oh fun imagine that imagine running into that thing in the night right so the
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question was blowing eyes never slip again yeah oh I know is I like a don't drive it does look a lot
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like the Vagina one though yeah that does go back to that last drawing you true Jamie or you
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pull up pull that rather now if you can will you pull up the image of the Vagina drawing because they
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had an artist uh who talked to little girls that saw that and those women and you know the the
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really that look at it come on man that looks exactly the same yeah there's those bumps on the head
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though yeah you can see that maybe that's exactly the same fucking thing man right like literally
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exactly yeah so I I told Travis if you ever seen if you ever get me to go to come to skimwa
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arrange I said know that I've got a plan and he was like what are you talking about I said I will
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not be the slowest runner okay however I will not be the fastest runner because I don't because I
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don't know what's really going on there I don't want to run for one thing into another so I'm
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gonna make sure I have an escape plan I went to skimwa or ranch oh you did yeah I was like go well
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we I was doing it for a television show and we interviewed a bunch of people that lived there and
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one guy there's a lot of there's a lot of people that they wanted to be interviewed then when we
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got there they chickened out it seemed like there might be some drug use going on in the surrounding
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areas a few people seem like a little on tilt but I think that's a good part of America I think
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there's a lot of people you could find some packets of people in America that are just doing drugs
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uh so I wouldn't say that that was what it was but there's one guy that I talked to he didn't seem
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like that at all he seemed very respectable I don't remember what he did um but he was very smart
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guy blue collar guy and uh lived in this uh very modest house and he had this story of this thing um
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that flew into uh his yard and through his house and he said it was a small orb and he said it seemed
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to be communicating with him and wow this guy didn't have any other bullshit stories you didn't
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have any claims of just this one experience that he said it was beautiful who said it was incredible
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that this thing seemed like it was alive it seemed like it was communicating with him and it went
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right through the walls and then and it went through the wall again and disappeared I had a similar
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case so every March I go to seaside Oregon because they have a paranormal conference and I
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I'm not into the paranormal stuff but my friends are so I want to listen and I want to learn
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right because this is me trying to get over my fear of going in there and you have a fear of
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paranormal or a fear of being around the people that believe in paranormal now the paranormal because
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of certain things that I've heard from when I was a kid you know and you have to overcome some
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of those childhood fears and stuff like that okay so when I was there I was uh giving us
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talking about my app and all this other stuff and these two Asian ladies were watching me walk
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on the stage and I was like why are they looking at me like that I was like is my fly down or something
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what did I do you know and as soon as I stepped off the stage and I said Mr. Mr. Look what are they
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what are they and I was like what do you mean she pulls out on her phone the most beautiful
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pristine picture of an orb sitting in a doorway and I'm like what happened there and she said
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it was my birthday and she said all my family was there and she said but I got tired so I was
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laying down and she said I heard like this electrical discharge going on and she said it came
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right through her wall started floating across her room she said it got to her doorway she screamed
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and all her family came and the the sun I guess it was took the picture of the orb and I was so
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amazed by her story I even forgot to ask her to give me a copy of the picture how long go it says
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this was like two years ago weird so fairly modern phone yeah it was it was an iPhone um she was
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they were from northern california and they drove up to this to this thing and I'm just like
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so what happened she said she said it actually sat there and did this
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like a heartbeat getting bigger and smaller whoa and then she said it just kind of
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went back out the way it came in and she goes what are they you you were on the test for
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don't you know about these things and I was like whoa you know we're not I'm nippin you know we're
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trying to learn just like you are and and and every year I've been back there twice now
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and every year I go hey if those two ladies are in here can we talk and they haven't shown back up
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but but he sounded just like your story of what happened to this other guy that was compelling
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there was a bunch of other people that had goofy stories of bulletproof wolves that appeared out of
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the mist and like okay they just seemed like some people just wanted to be on tv which is normal right
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you're right show up with cameras people tell stories and this is another show that I worked on once
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uh it was called game show in my head and this is pretty funny we uh told people so there was a
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the game show was we would take a contestant the contestant knew that they were gonna pull pranks on
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people but they didn't know what the prank was gonna be and so we had a piece in their ear and we
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would put them out in the public and my thing was that I had to tell them that they are a news
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reporter and that someone had just seen a UFO and had an encounter with an alien uh right there
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in Hollywood but the person who was the witness took off would you be willing to go on camera and
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say it was you and everybody said yes they all did and people had crazy stories they talked about
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being abducted and being on the ship and experienced and they were communicating with me they just
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fully made up stories and that was an eye opener for me I was like wow you put a camera on people
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they just are so hyped to be on tv that just bullshit you yeah they can that was because the guy
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the guy who was in on it was shocked too because he was like I can't believe that these people
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just started fucking lying yeah when you're getting grand eyes like that that's where you kind of
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help people that do that is just to get grand eyes are enlarged themselves sure everybody wants to
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especially you put a camera on people but then you get with the end with other people like the
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whistleblowers I know they're pretty much giving up everything like me you know but this guy was
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not interested in you know much attention he just wanted to tell us his story and he was a regular
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dude yeah like we talked about all kinds of stuff he had a big trout on his wall was like he would
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he had a trout like when they make trophies out of fish they don't really make trophies anymore
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they now that what they do is they take a photo and the measurements and then they make like a
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plastic version of that fish that looks exactly like it that's how they do it but this guy had like a
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real trophy fish that he had mountain like they don't even do that anymore so I started asking him
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questions and gave him some of my head yeah that's it um wow long time ago but the point is this guy
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was a sincere dude he was telling me how he caught the fit you know when I'm asking people questions
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about stuff I want to know how you think you know when I'm talking to some guy that tells me
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at any counter with an orb I want to hear what you talk about like how do you talk about you at work
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how do you talk about you with your kids how do you how do you treat your dog you know how do you
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you know I'm saying like I'm trying to like get a gauge of this guy he seems super sincere just a
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regular good guy very accommodating like very friendly you had to make a good analyst maybe because
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because the the thing that we're trying to do is the all-source analyst is to look at all aspects of
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what I have yeah and sometimes people just going there well I mean the the thing that really
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upsets me is when I was part of the task force was someone just handing me a picture and just going
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so what is it oh right no context no nothing you're just like oh okay you know fake right what the
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fuck that is through the image analyzer right you know I don't know if you've had any mental issues
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or you know right right I mean someone showed me something that it was a button on a glass
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and at first I was like that looks really intriguing but there was something about it that was just
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it wasn't quite right and I'm like I think this is fake but I don't know why and then finally
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the guy said yeah you know but not a glass you know I was like something that do you know that
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feel if you ever seen photos of miniature cars yes there's that autistic kid that does that
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don't just look at that yesterday yeah but there's what I was getting at there's something wrong
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with the car that even in a photo you know it's not a real car yes you know it's a miniature car
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your brain is very good at that it's real that's a real weird one because it doesn't make sense
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like there's a just there's a perception you look at it like oh that's a miniature car it's a fake
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that's like a hot wheel because they're really good now like you need to pull up a photo of like a
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a miniature Mustang there's an autistic kid out there that's what he does that's all he does he
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gets miniature cars and puts them in a real background yeah I've seen that yeah so these are
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miniatures okay well that that's really good that's really good that's a lot better than normal
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yeah but you get really tires are not resting you know flat like there's a weight to the car
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that's a good point that's good point so you know the things in an as an analyst you look at in
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the image it's just you're looking at you know things like that yeah that's the kid 13-year-old
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there you go yeah okay so he's really good at it because these these look other than what you said
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Jay that you don't see the weight of the tires but it's like okay that one right there that Nissan
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click on that with the blue one yeah that's a Nissan GTR I'm looking at that I'm like that's a
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fake car I don't know why yeah that looks like a model but why does it look like a model it's got to
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be that driver's window it's the decals to me but everything looks pretty fucking good yes well
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yeah it looks good but there's just little details that your mind is picking up on going it's not
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quite right right I mean there's something about it right and what is that something about it this
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this kind of falls into the area two of um when you do see a UAP something about it is what's
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telling you that it's a UAP but you're also looking in your in your minds you know memory bank to say
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this is fake this can't be real because it's not doing X it's not doing whatever right and then
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sometimes you end up going it's it's just not real I'm throwing it out of my head and then all
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of a sudden someone either tells you something that makes you go back and oh my god that thing did
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that somebody it was real or you see something about it something weird about it that just triggers you
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and you're like oh OMG and now your your whole thing your whole view on the whole universe is
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changing because you're like I did let's let this test I give people when they you know because I
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have a lot of people that ask me can you vet this guy he says he's had an encounter and then I kind
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of go through the experience because you know the one that I had in the desert there's a telepathic
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kind of a thing that happened during that conversation I had with that gentleman in the desert and
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there's parts of that that people have only really experienced it they actually know about like the
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residual data that or information that's left behind in your own mind because you're sharing a
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mind space and things like this and there's certain things that when I ask questions of people that
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you know sometimes I can tell right then and there you weren't there you know they that's not my
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experience but the people that do describe it and I know that they're telling the truth there's
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certain characteristics about that communication type that you only get when you've been talking
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no kidding telepathically right well especially you as a person who's had an experience correct you
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you have something to gauge to there's certain things like in your field like if you ran into a
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dude at the airport there was a faker you know there's a lot of guys like put on like fake military
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outfits and pretend there and then they get questioned by rolling a baller yeah it's weird
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it is but but people are weird people will make up crazy stories so like when you're dealing with
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the craziest of crazy stories which is UFOs have been in contact with me I'm special they chose me
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to talk to me well that's probably because it was a real story so when he first showed up I was
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one of the first people to get his he knows my whole history when he first showed up first thing I
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I read through everything I was like hmm I'm gonna have to run a background check on this guy
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right he might be cook right and then I was like so I did the basics and then I called up David
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Grisha and I was like boy do I have a doozy for you I I can't do anything with this guy because
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there's not enough here for me to do a thorough background check but boy you've got to listen to
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what this guy has to say and from there David took it out and I was like he came back to me because
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well this guy looks to be the real deal and I was like holy crap so we kind of tease that then
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so let's let's get to your experience want to tell everybody what happened
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just doing my job at Nellis we had two things we did we did the telephone monitoring like
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where's Nellis it's in Nevada so I'm working at Nellis there for space for the debt three
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and that's where the program they have a shop that a four guys that was one of them that we
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got a monitor for the program so anyway the other side of my job was also doing monitoring for
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everybody else that wasn't in the program and when you say monitoring what do you mean by that
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you're actually plugging into like just like you heard tapping telephones all the
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all the ways we turn on community you know all telecommunications type we made sure that we'd
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listen to radios we're listening to radio waves all that and we gather it all in and what we're
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tasked to do is you know say a commander at Wright Patterson you know we went to do it it's all
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with a two-week mission mostly unless it's part of an operation like Desert Storm and you stay
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for a month or two and then you change out teams but two weeks is the standard so we go two weeks
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to Wright Patterson we gather all the information we can and all the telecommunications means and we
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also have an OSI team that's trying to sneak in the doors and get into the facilities they shouldn't
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be at just to test the security and that's all we're there for it and at the end of the day on the
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last Friday we go in and we talk to the staff and then about 90 days later we put in a final report
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and give that again back to the staff and that's kind of how we rolled so we're going up range
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for those kind of things we don't do the telephone monitoring when we go up range to the test
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test range at Nellis that was what we called red forcing and what our job was there is we were
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also trained to do combat ops against our own pilots so that we could help them survive in a
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an award-time environment and that was done at the top of Black Mountain and that we called that
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us there was a little schoolhouse there and then if you walk up another few yards there's a really
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those big golf ball looking radars or satellite dishes were up at the very top but anyway that's
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where we were heading this one day so we all packed up we're in Bady Nevada which is the burrow in
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I can tell you that's where we always hold up at and we take off from there every morning to go
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do the AM in the PM push that's what you call it when the war is on you call it the push so we
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had one in the morning called AM push one in the afternoon PM push so we were all heading up for
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the AM push in a con where there's three vehicles probably about three to four people per vehicle
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I'm in the lead vehicle with the ranking guy he's driving and I'm right behind him and then there's
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another gentleman in the passenger seat across from the driver and then there's a young lady next to
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me and we're all going up and the ranking guy had been there the week before and he had seen the craft
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fly by because that was and that one's out there on the internet you can pull down the video there's
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a report that goes along with this video that we can watch right now right now yeah well what
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would he search search for we think Nellis test range UFO 1994
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who's on this this was filmed by the operators on the range because you're we're putting these
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pilots in a risky situation by playing war with them but we're training them so if there is any
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kind of a mishap or a pilot or playing goes down everything needs to be recorded so they have
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it right here yes so this is being taken this video is being taken by one of these cameras that's
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up up on the range and along the bottom you see that this is also trying to lock on to the craft
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so it can you know follow it as it goes in and out because this is the kind of way that you
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want to track if there's a craft that is having problems and this is moving very radically right so
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this is what my the ranking guide can I pause you for a second this tracking is this manual or
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is this like some sort of automated system it's an automated system so the automated system is
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having a hard time locking on locking on yeah if it locks on you'll see a big spike and that means
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that it finally locks on right now it's trying to but something is stopping it from locking on and
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they think it was the craft it's moving like crazy side to side all over it there's actually
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recording that goes really where you got you hear the guys go hey does anybody know what this is
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what's going on you can hear that okay the the sound is terrible yeah they need better mics
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honestly I have some kind of work but I'm sure but he's saying what is that I don't know we're
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having a hard time locking on to it right this is the video operator so this the following week
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after this happens this video is taken the ranking guy who had been there the week before and saw
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this thing flying he takes us in this when he you go on the range through this one gate here
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he goes up a little ways and then there's a contoman area it's got a very small place where you
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can change your tires get gas you know just you know minor maintenance to get you but home if you
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have a car that's busted and then in the back of that contoman area there's two huts that look like
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campers really glorified campers so the video operators are in the one that's off to the north
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east of the the contoman in a very corner of it and the ranking guy just says we all have to go
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in here we're gonna go talk to the video operators we have to do this and and this was because the
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week prior everybody came back to garrison or back to our unit and they had seen this thing and
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they were all talking about this UFO so we go in there and there's the video operator he has us
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all right our names down whether we were we were there and saw it the first week or not then he
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mixes all sit down and watch that video and he says do you know what this is and we're like no
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and then he just said okay thank you and then we as after everybody that was there saw it and had
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wrote their name down we were allowed to leave and that was all that was required and so I was
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like what was that all about but then as I'm exiting this lady that had been sitting against the
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wall on the far part of the this little hut that we were in and she like grabs my arm and she
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says there's somebody on the range don't talk to him and she was really really freaked out and I'm
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like thanks strange freaky lady I got it and I'm like whatever so like we all hop out we get in the
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vehicles and then start taking off towards quartz mountain because right at that contoman area there's
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a hard right there's a hard right that goes off to quartz mountain and about a mile half a mile
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down that road it's all dirt road up by the way there's this guy it looks like he's wearing a uniform
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like we are you got balladress uniform on so he's he sees us and he starts to look like he's running
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and he's he's got this really weird run like his arms are kind of flailing behind but it's like he
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was running against the hurricane wind and it was like he was going to fall over at any time and I
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was like yeah it's a bit windy today but I need to hit that so it looked really strange and then I
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began to notice his skin tone looked like he might be hypothermic and I'm thinking oh crap this
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dude's been out here it's freaking freezing out here because it was a very cold day and the wind
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was blowing it was you know those cold days where it didn't matter how many layers you had on
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and so as we're getting closer I'm talking to the ranking guy hey we need to slow down so
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anyway I'm thinking this guy's probably in big trouble I need to pull off my jacket I need to
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give him something to get warm real quick so I'm starting to do that and we're approaching and by
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the time we I get my jacket most of the way off he's right there at the you know the corner of
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the the front of the car and I guess so so he looks pale is that what you're saying you look like an
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albino with a very bluish kind of undertone if you could imagine you know so you that you're assuming
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like a me you're immediately associating that with like for he's freezing yeah because that's
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that's all I could equate it to and then as I'm starting to open my door to try to you know
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administer aid to this guy the dude in the front passenger seat screams he's got no ears
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and I thought that was pretty rude because I was like the guys in prison they have a hat on dizzy
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out like he's got a hat on and he's got BDU's that look absolutely clean pristine and when you're
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up range you do not wear your cleanest uniform you're in a dirty environment you wear your
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scuffed up boots you don't take them with you so he's got clean battle dress uniform
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United States military out of place yeah it looks very out of place when I finally do it but anyway
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step out onto the roadway and this guy screams that he's got no ears and I just thinking it's really
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rude and then it closed the door and I look up and he's got no freaking ears and his eyes are twice
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as big and I just like yeah what the hell don't he just walk into this guy's not from around how far
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away from him why I'm probably from me to love just a few just a few just talking distance okay
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and I'm starting to freak out but then he starts to talk to me and it's not my language but it's
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coming to the understanding is like coming into my mind about every word he's saying because
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so he's actually saying words he's saying saying words but it doesn't sound like anything I've
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heard but you're understanding what he's saying but I'm understanding so I know there's a telepathic
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thing going on here and it calms me down at the same time because I'm having to respond to him
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and he's like hello I'm having trouble with my craft I need some repair material do you know
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where I could find some trin-tium and this is what he's talking to me about and I'm like you mean
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titanium because I didn't know anything about trin-tium at the time but titanium he's like no it's
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not it and I'm like well at this point in my career I had just left the program so I knew where
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Dreamland was and I pointed to the mountain range because you can see for for days in the desert
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but I pointed towards the mountain range and I said Dreamland's just over there and this wave of
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emotion hit me like disgust like I'm not going to talk to those barbarians and murderers
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you know well so he was saying that to you yeah his reaction to going to the military base exactly
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yeah but he did not like it he said I am not going to talk to those people and then I was like well
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she and it was barbarians and murders he's he literally that was what he called them yes
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and mentally that's what it was but this emotion trin-tium is this a real thing
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well that's what I've had a lot of friends there's analysts also that were on the top secret
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network that were trying to help me understand what material they throw in everything at him we're
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like is it best is it best and then finally that's the one when they hit trin-tium I was like that's
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what it was that's what he said and what is trin-tium it's a type of uh well can he bring it up on
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the yeah sure yeah because it should pop up on wikipedia pretty quick but um it has some properties
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that probably are using trin-tium yeah trin-tium is uh that's the stuff that's in lume like in your
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watch when your watch glows that's uh or you know they they make those where they it's they're
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basically radioactive isotopes to stay lit so like if you get like a marathon watch marathon makes
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military watches and the the it doesn't need like this car this watch you need the light and the
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light charges the loom and then when it's dark out you could read the hands for like a few hours
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the thing that is to put on the end of the guns right exactly they still do a lot like sig has
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a look up trin-tium also put trin-tium is it oh wow I did that that's not giving me much so trin-tium
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chunky glow in the dark glitter what is that these are all like these are game websites oh I say
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I know okay so it's tritium then I maybe mispronounce it but tritium is that's that radioactive isotope
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that's the stuff that emits light yep it so emits a weak form of radiation yes rare radioactive
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isotope of hydrogen with a half life of 12.3 years okay so this is what he's asking me for so
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he asked you for that stuff tritium yep and I'm like I don't know where to get oh look at that it's
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used in boosted fission weapons and thermonuclear weapons oh great that sounds pretty sure
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I wonder what the fuck it's doing on your wrist is this is what this is what the best image that
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we have oh what he could have looked like oh boy can you send that to Jamie yeah I don't know Jamie's
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number but I will find a way to yeah yeah if I had my phone I would but I get out there I think
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yeah air drop it to Jamie do you know to do that there was that there's not no I do that and there's
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a three-dimensional with UFOs you better know how to do that well there's a three-dimensional image
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of the craft as well that is really spot on from what I saw that day yeah um because not only did I
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see this guy running towards us and talking to him but off the shoulder of the on the north side of
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the roadway that's where the craft was just resting on the desert floor and that's I got a really
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good look at it at that point and this guy did a 3D rendering of the description and it's like
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it's spot on as I've ever seen it's it's almost perfect so he asks you for tritium you tell him
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dreams this is what it looked like this is what the guy looked like pretty close to it yeah
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the nose the nose was a little bit rounder on the end but that was a really good rendition
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but yeah his his eyes just his eyes almost came out to hear on the temple wow and that would freak me
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out it freaked me out I mean honestly I'm not an easy guy to get you know to get freaked out but
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that really put that like you yeah you just saw an alligator pop up out of the water kind of right
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so when you tell him go to dream land it says I'm not going to go where those murders and barbarians are
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and then what happens um and he said uh no so I was like well where else can I possibly
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point him to because I'm like I don't know any metal or just or whatever so I'm thinking to him
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to me to myself and I'm and I relate to him I said well I'm taking college classes down and the
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you know in the city of Vegas you know Las Vegas uh at the community college but I have a geophysical
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professor that I'm you know taking a class from maybe he has a metallurgist friend and he's like
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so you're thinking at this time though it's a metal I am yes right because you're thinking
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at some kind of like titanium some some type of right right and there's also when he this is the
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3d image with the craft that is almost as spot on as I've ever seen that is about it right there
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that's almost exactly when I saw resting on the desert floor and so you were trying to find
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different people that you can connect this being too yeah and what is it saying to you while you're
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he he thought that that was a good idea I think or he was like hmm I mean made him he was he had that
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that kind of hmm and he wanted to take action so he just he doesn't really even say goodbye he
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just kind of turns and off he goes back to his craft and I'm thinking well okay and uh I get
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back in the car and sometime during that conversation with this entity I remember looking over at my
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friends in the car and they had the weirdest look on their face like they're all zonked out
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totally zonked like they couldn't even they were just drooling on themselves well they just
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because they were flabbergasted or was it because something was going on well I figured out that
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maybe he what it was done by this entity because none of them seemed to even remember the incident
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only a few people seems to remember that we stopped that we had talked to somebody on the roadway
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but it was mainly the people that were in the back of the convoy so they didn't see it up close like
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you right like we did the people that were right away with they be uh they'd probably be a good
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two car links behind us that's still enough to detect whether or not someone looks blue though right
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correct and that's probably what they saw but you know me I'm kind of widened I'm big I was very
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muscular back then and you're standing in front of this thing so they'd have a difficult time because
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this guy stood about a good half foot shorter than me and so they probably could see his arms from
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time to time maybe kits a glimpse of his face or something um so they probably didn't get a very
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good view because if you're looking at me I'm standing right next to my door and they're behind me
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kind of almost off obfuscated by just the angle that they're looking at him so it could all the
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windows are tinted in those vehicles and they can't just see through the windows right to whatever
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and the people that were in the car with you you feel like something happened to them that like
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froze them they did look like that yeah like you said just a look of just utterly you know like
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the guy who said it has no he has no ears does that guy have a recollection that guy they can't find
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they can't find them no I've tried I was asked by the uep test worst David Grush to reach out to
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these folks the people in the car I got a hold one got hold of him on LinkedIn and we started talking
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and you know just how's the wife how's the kids that kind of stuff how much that ufo we met
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and as soon as I did that the guy just disappears and goes to me and I can't I don't know what happened
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but he was the rank and guy in the car the guy that was the passenger nobody can seem to find him
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because they did try to verify the people in the car and I give the names and the young lady
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that was off to my right I don't know if they contacted her but I've heard from other people
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that were part of this background investigation about my story they found two people that verified
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my story and I don't know who they are they've been told to keep their mouth shut by somebody
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and and I'm kind of pissed about that but I think James Fox knows who they are and knows exactly who
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told them to shut up as well but what was that incident where James Fox and you were on a show
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what's that well I was just I shouldn't have said that James Fox knows the the guy who told him to
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shut up because I'm not sure if that's you think you might know so this thing can we does it tell
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you why it needs a tritium it just says it needs it to fix its craft yeah well along with that
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this is the other part that was telepathic when he mentions this metal in the part that he is
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but it's not metal right do we think it's not metal or do you think maybe it's a metal that we
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don't have I think it's something or an alloy that we don't particularly make a lot of and or just
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can't make but when he spoke about this the telepathic image was almost like he opened a sear's
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catalog in my head that had all the specs for this part that he was needing fixed and it was the
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strangest thing it like described some of the nano channeling of electrical and electromagnetic
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stuff that was flowing through it that caused these torroidal energies to emanate on both sides
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of this piece of of of the equipment so you because it was describing it to you all of sudden had
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access to all this information like it was like me if you and I were telepathic and we were
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talking about a science project and I could just all the information yeah and I could just give you
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all that instead of talking it out that's what he did did you then try to talk to someone and
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relay that information and like download it I've had well once because in the in the in the
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the forum we have scientists and stuff like that that yes we're very interested to get me in a room
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and talk to me about this I had people from DARPA wanting to talk to me people from people from
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threats departments all over the place that wanted to know more and even when I talk to jack
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sir faughty and Gary Nolan about this stuff I was telling them things before they even opened
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their mouth about like when I talked to Gary Nolan I just said you got that part and you know that
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it has that that nano size atomic level layering that can't be reproduced unless you actually
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physically are putting these atoms one at a time next to each other and he's like yeah yeah that's
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it you know so I'm telling him this and he already knew but I that was the first thing and so
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that's why I knew that what I'd been given in my head he was giving me that that high sign that yes
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that's exactly what I analyzed is that piece of material I had it sounds just like what this guy
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described to you and gave to you telepathically that there's these really minute little things that
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create torridal forces they're they're doing things to at a very small level and then I talked to
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jack sir faughty later and he's got all these fantastical physics equations about how things work
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and I'm looking through his documents and no I can't do the math but I can understand what he's
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doing with it and I just fight out as I said so the smaller you get because there's always that
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resistance level when it comes to you know putting in energy energy and then losing it because
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due to you know atrophy and all these other or that right we're for it anyway that the whole
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thing was this that when you get smaller it actually reverses itself is that now you get even more
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power out of things if you have a small enough energy source that works at a various it's kind of
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like miniaturizing a fusion device of some kind and so did you talk to someone from DARPA did
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you said these people wanted to talk to you I emailed back and forth again with information I could
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but they didn't want to interview you they wanted to just email at the time that's the way it
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went yeah I've had a couple of meetings though with different places that I can't discuss but they
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they did talk to me yes and is that information still in your head yeah so does it seem like a
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memory or it what does it seem like in your head to me it's like a very clear like this is
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it's it's just like a picture that never goes away it could you draw that picture if someone
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gave you a pad and a pad yeah I've already done it yeah yeah um is that available online could someone
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see that I don't know if I pulled that down off the top secret network um but I can reproduce it
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all I did was just recreated in like a PowerPoint you draw thing but does it remain in your head
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like normal memory like you know like you learn certain things and school yeah the telepathy
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felt absolutely normal I mean I there was no headache there's no dissonance no buzzing
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what I mean is is the memory the same as a regular memory oh yeah oh yeah no I remember it as
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just being part of the conversation just like a normal conversation yeah that's what it feels like
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but it just somehow or another in that conversation he put this information in your head exactly
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and then it just leaves and then he leaves when he realizes that you know maybe there's some other
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venues maybe I me mentioning that there might be a metallurgist on staff somewhere that maybe
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that prompted him to think oh yeah maybe I should go research this or that and then maybe I'll find
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somebody that I could talk to um something like that may have happened did you get a sense of where
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this thing was from yeah there was a star map from that day but it also relates to the lunch hour
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after we started going back up to black mountain I had a very strong compunction to go eat my lunch
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outside even though it was deathly cold and I don't know what prompted me to do that again maybe
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he was giving me a telepathic message but after I walked about 150 feet down the road the dirt road
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from the top of my black mountain I don't remember what happened after that all I have are two
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images that keep on flashing back I remember seeing the schoolhouse from about 150 feet above or
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200 feet above the schoolhouse I remember looking at the rooftop and the other only other memory is
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I've got this star map in my head and David Grush made me reproduce that on a PowerPoint slide
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and I handed that into him because I have no idea what that what it was but he's like do you
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understand what what this is and there's like no I have no ideas like do you know what star
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constellations are I said I know what the big dip are is that's about it and he's like this is
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the constellation Leo and I'm like oh I didn't know that and so he's like yeah this is a really
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closer edition of that I'm like well that's kind of cool that I could reproduce it just out of my head
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and and not even know what the heck it was but I did know it was a star system and for some
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reason you just felt compelled to draw this particular star system well just after David Grush asked
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me to yes and was there a specific planet in that star system yeah the red the red star that's
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kind of like you know on the there's a part of the Leo system that has like this like very sharp
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turn into it I guess it's like it looks like a nose or or part of a triangle and at the the
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tip of that is the red star and it's reticuli I think but anyway that that one seems to be
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you know I can say about aliens Zeta reticuli yeah and then the strangest thing about this this is
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what I'm talking about when it comes to telepathy when you're sharing that mind space there's some
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residue memory there because Dave kept pressing me on it and he said can you tell me about the red
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star and at first I'm like well known and I was like and all of a sudden some memory came back and
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I was like holy crap yeah that's where he's from that's that's his home star system and he came
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from there that's his home and and then we just went on from there and he said did you know that
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they've actually just now discovered a few years ago that there were exoplanets around that star
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and I was like no I had no idea so all these things started coming together at that point
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and that's when they started saying okay well we're gonna do some more vetting and within about
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a month or so they were bringing me to congress and everything else happened after that now
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what is the rest of your life like after that day um so you have life before you experience
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this creature and then now you know that this is a thing it's a thing yeah and I'm it changed me um
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how do you explain this if you get to imagine the entire human race you and me you don't have to
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talk to me but you can feel my presence you can feel who I am my personality and share in all of that
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and then imagine that by millions the entire planet you can actually commune with them it
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brings with that a level of civility in the control of your thoughts because right now
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we don't read each other's minds so our minds are like oh look at that girl oh look at that
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you know the sports over here there's a football game on we're so distracted but this guy's
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when I was engaged with him telepathically it was like civility to the maximum it was like
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very courteous he waited for me to say he he talked and it was like just like we do we have
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certain etiquette but on top of that there is this part of him that he left me with that was part
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of the community of the consciousness that he is able to feel all the time and that has never left
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me is that there's a community of consciousness out there that when they've been living for so many
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years with this sort of ability it has changed them for the better because their minds are under
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control finally their emotions aren't running them like you were talking about addictions and
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things like this they don't run their lives like that anymore because of it and if you do they
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end up in a criminal list somewhere I would imagine but there was such an ever since then that's
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feeling of peacefulness and civility is what I was striving for never has left me never has left me
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wow um it stays with you but what like what is your experience trying to relay these
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thoughts in this experience that had to be weird in the sense that like it's very hard to believe
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I mean I believe you but it's very it's one of those things where you know you took what you
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talked to an alien like that's most people are going to think you're ridiculous well yeah and honestly
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that's why I need people to back me up on it because this is the thing that we're we're trying to
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do with the whistleblowers we all kind of know each other just like low would tell you are not low
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but just like Logan would tell you just that I call them low for short sometimes it's a slip
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understandable anyway so anyway we get to talking about stuff but we don't know what's going on daily
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with each other it's like I've brought whistleblowers forward to Congress since I went forward
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but I don't know their lives I don't talk to them every day like I do some of them and it's a
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strange thing but the more we seem to be coming out now that we've got these few weeks now where we've
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got folks like you know Jake Barber and folks like that coming forward now I'm starting to piece
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things together in my mind because now I'm here in his side of the story because I didn't want to
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be part of the retrieval well guess what he was on it and he's telling that part and I'm like oh no
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wonder they did that to me you know that's that makes sense you know and now I'm making those
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conclusions now because of what he said and but then if you try to put us all in a room we're all
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deathly scared that you know some jerk is going to come out of the Department of Defense and shoot
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us all or do a drone strike on us and kill us all just have done with it and then get on with
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their lives again so you've got this problem here with us coming forward in a group you're
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really worried that much that someone would try to take you out they've already messed with my
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clearance they've already shown me that they can break into my car on the NSA campus
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they're letting me know they're they were trying to intimidate me because they don't want you
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talking about this exactly but do you know why they don't want you talking about this yeah why it's
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because they know that what they have done that there are some parts that were really bad decisions
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in the long run and they don't want anybody to crack open any part of this because they know
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it's going to cause questions to happen and they're going to get put on a spot okay so you finally
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are coming clean on the fact that we've got NHI here but we've got other whistleblowers that
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have these concerns that's what they're going to have to face and when you say bad decisions like
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what do you mean by bad decisions well think about it if Rosswell did happen what do they do they chop
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up some you know think about it you'd have educated for there was a Russian craft that fell you'd
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catalog every part of that crash site and you'd repatriate the patriot the dead bodies to where
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they came from we give them back to the Russians in honor and here we are we've got a civilization
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just crashed there in Rosswell and look at what kind of crap we did to them and we took all their
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stuff like it was some kind of a treasure trove and now we own it hell no you're talking about a
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craft that was manufactured on another part of the galaxy or something that they can't explain nobody
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knows where it came from and here they are treating these people like they're just some kind of a lab
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experiment let's chop them up a little more you know and then you know if they ever got approached
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by the the people that came to look for them afterwards wouldn't one be the person that answered
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them well sorry we chopped up your buddy we had an interesting talk about this there's a video
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online where it shows like some gray kind of strung up and they're asking him questions and
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whatever and I was asking him I said if you were an NHI and you saw that and this this is what the
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humans are broadcasting sorry and and and this is what the humans are broadcasting I said I'd be like
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yo they got Jimmy look what they're doing Jimmy right it's on we're going to go get a video of the
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alien that's fake right the video with their entirely believe it is fake because like we've all
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looked so fake everybody says they talk yeah they talk telepathically and here he is oh here's
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this voice coming out to whatever yeah yeah it's it's but we're we've always assumed that they
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they've got the same type of some type of emotions a lot like us but maybe they're much more
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controlled much more refined you know kind of like how we get not that I'm saying
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us now versus us 50,000 years ago yeah well honestly when I had the telepathic experience
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it was very difficult for me to distinguish what emotions and feelings were coming from me as
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opposed to him it was very obvious when he felt disgust about going to ask about things because
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I was like well I'm not disgusted at him and I had that that ability to go that's not me feeling
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that it must be coming from him right but it was your emotions right but everything else felt like
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we were sharing literally not only the thoughts but the emotions that went along with it was a true
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sharing of a mind space and he felt just like me his inner voice is just like my inner voice
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his feelings are just like our feelings he feels sadness he feels all the things that I do
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hmm what is the general consensus in the people in the program about Roswell they don't like
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talking about it I think that was where they they probably are trying to bury it even amongst
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themselves because they know they made some very bad mistakes about that first confrontation that
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could have been a lot better than what it happened so the general consensus is that this is a real
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event yep and they don't like talking about it but does everybody sort of agree or are there
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people that are dissenting do they have dissenting opinions about whether or not they've heard
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it too much attention I've heard people say I don't want to talk about it they don't want to talk
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about it but that it was an hours right well the the only thing this is again when we talk about
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the intel analyst and everybody else that was on that forum it's it's it's totally weird that you
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can go through all these different things as an intel analyst and say okay it's not shiny all
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right it's not that all right let's look at Russia anything no it's not Russian is it one of ours
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no well hell no it's not one of ours well who the heck is it then does anybody talk about it is
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there anybody that has shared information about Roswell to you yeah is anything that you can talk
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no no no it's all top secret I just gave the person the confidence that I would not mention it got
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it and Logan if you had personal experiences other than the one when you were a child yeah um but
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I didn't know what I was seeing but you know like um after the program came out I mean not
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came out but after James Fox um finished editing everything he sends me he said well you haven't
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seen everything um put together so here you go and you know tell me if you you know don't like the
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way you look or whatever and I'm going through it and he starts showing I see the stuff about
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Calvin the Calvin um Scotland image of you see that one yes so that image was taken if I remember
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correctly in August 1990 pull that image yeah yeah yeah you you could just type in Calvin UFO whatever
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so I'm going I had just cross-trained from yeah that one I had just cross-trained from
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maintenance into intelligence and I was going to my first uh intel assignment and I'm flying
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from Philadelphia to uh Frankfurt Germany to run my an airbase somewhere between Iceland and Scotland
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this thing is zipping around in the in the clouds doing this Ziggy's Aggie thing I don't know
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what he was doing but he was doing this the sun was just coming up and I'm eating a Philly
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cheese cheese steak and the other guys with me eating a hoagie and the other guy that standing up
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over the top where I'm like anybody know what that is and um they're like dude what is that
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and then all of a sudden in my head I'm like oh this is my first intel assignment I'm going to get
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clued into some cool ass shit but I don't know what the hell that is but I'm just thinking it
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looks just like that it looks just like that and the way it was moving into clouds it was like
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because of the shadow he was like going from like that color to like dark and then light again as
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it was moving in and it would go into a cloud on one vector and come out on another vector and I'm
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like what what is that so didn't know what was going on so I called James back I was like dude dude
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where's this talking you know we're all excited and um he goes explain to me everything and
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what happened was I got to my unit and I talked to them and I go I we have a um weapons tactics guy
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he's you know they're the best of the best in their leading the group and I was like so what is
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that thing out there and he goes I have no idea what you're talking about now this is in January
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of 1990 that picture is August in 1990 and what I didn't realize was that the Belgian wave I don't
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know if you were familiar with that a whole bunch of triangular devices were seen over um Belgian
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for almost a whole year so they just call it the Belgian wave right police officers saw it they
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launched F-16s after him whatever are their photographs of that at all um no but the general that's
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in charge actually gave a briefing to everybody and showed what the F-16 radar was seeing and I
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guess every time they tried to get close to it it would just pull the way just far enough
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you know that they couldn't catch it and then when they would try to cage it in the radar system
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it would move to the left and you know it was it was playing with them so but I didn't know any of that
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so I just kind of was like yeah okay I'm stupid maybe it was part of my imagination but
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what I saw as a kid kept coming back into my head so dead-distoring happens whatever
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and I'm at my base and British AWACS shows up and they're looking at me and I still had my accident
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my British accident they're looking at me going what do you flying with the yanks for
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and I'll go what do you mean they said you know and I told them my my family thing they said
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why don't you come fly with this I'm like sure let me ask my boss my boss says you ain't got
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nothing going on go fly with them so we're flying around and finally I go I go hey guys uh
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what's that thing in the sky that does the Ziggy's Aggie thing do you know what I'm talking about
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and they're like you know and I was like no I don't know don't play with me and they're like come on
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looking you know and then finally they pull out this tape and they plug it in and it shows Europe
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all the aircraft flying around and you see this thing go through the middle of it real fast like
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all the other aircraft the sweep of the radar you just seen these minute movements
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this thing is like it's gone and I was like who's that and they go you know I was like look stop
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playing with me you know right kind of find out they said well that's your RSR71 and I was like well
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that ain't him and they're like okay and then he looks at the other guy and he said show him the other
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one and they show me this radar scoping in and this time there's a target in the middle of not in
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the middle of the screen but off to the side it was like could have been like East Germany or whatever
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but every sweep of the radar he was somewhere else and I was like that guy I was so excited I
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said that MF right there yeah who who's that guy you know and they go you know I'll look stop this
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I don't know and they finally said we don't know either they said we just assumed it was you
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Americans playing with us yeah we don't know what happens a lot of times yeah we don't know
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every thing that too everything's America if they can't explain it right did you see the trumpet
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administration addressed the drones today we heard about it but I didn't yes I had a friend tell me
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they made an announcement but we were getting in the car at the time yeah essentially they said it
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was all hours and there was some sort of scanning that was done that was approved and the other
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ones were hobbyists and some sort of tests that they were doing but they were saying that it's hours
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which is this is very the whole thing stinks it does because I actually had yeah I actually had
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a person that was up there and that she said one of those things came down low and slow over
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her house and she said it had the sound of a helicopter so she was like her and her husband
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all like oh you know it's a helicopter but then all of a sudden they realize she said Mr. Logan
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were you ever air crew I said yeah I was in special ops and I fell in helicopters and
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da da da and she goes when it came down low it had the sound of a helicopter but you couldn't
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feel it and I go huh she goes you know when you can feel the road of washing it's hitting
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your chest like boom boom boom boom she said there was none of that she said it came down slow
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low over a house and then it went back up and then she said it looked like it went back into
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formation with something else and she said that's not any drone I know of and she said it sounded
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like the actual noise of the helicopter and several of the other noises from the drones were all
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pre-recorded just to make them sound like they were conventional air crew and those are the same
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things I've been hearing too because a lot of people are shoving videos at me a lot in their
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descriptions of things and some of the stuff you know looked like maybe it could be a spotlight from
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a helicopter and then when the light moved then you could finally see the helicopter behind the
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light then there was these other ones that was like this is really weird right my friend Mark saw
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one Mark Norman what how did he describe it Jamie he said it was triangular right uh
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I just remember saying SUV sized yeah he said it was a size of an SUV he said it was triangular he said
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it moved really fast so when they initially came up they said oh they're all man all right I think
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it was John Kirby there was the speaker and I used to work at the FAA so my first thing was well
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if they're a man you just call them up and say cut it out right simple right but he kept going on
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and then later on there was a report that DHS said oh one of the drones has come down in a mall parking
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lot but DHS is assessed it's just a regular drone so when you hear that what are you thinking
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DJI Mavic something small whatever do I keep so one on X is on a train going behind that exact same spot
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and they show a drone next to two police cars and this thing is as big as the police car
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and I'm like so I have no way of confirming if that's the what he's what it really was right but
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I have no reason to believe that this particular person was leaving he said you guys I don't know
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what you guys are thinking but I'm passing that mall right now and take a look and it's like a maybe
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a 30 second clip or something and you see this thing it's as big as the SUVs so and what does it
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look like it it look like kind of like a gondola with like large um blades on the on the four corners
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and so it looks like a very large conventional drone very large conventional drone and
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so I'm sitting there thinking was this a test that nobody knew about was you know what what is going
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on right and nobody got any answers so well the other thing that is the stay in the sky for like
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five hours at a time that's what puzzles me is that that takes industrial sized power generation
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yeah what are you using like what is that thing using Jamie key see the if you're right cold fusion
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can you find the video of the disclosure today it was uh yeah well while he's talking about
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the disclosure the one thing I do want to mention is when I talk to the to that A wax group
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I thought it was kind of interesting because I said so how many know about this and he goes the whole
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squadron knows about it and I was like what he said yeah but we just don't talk about it because
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people lose their jobs over this and I was like I've heard that as well and I was like so this is an
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A-Wack and I said am I to assume that if you're British A-Wacks then American A-Wacks can see it
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French A-Wacks can see it NATO A-Wacks can see it and he just kind of yeah and everybody doesn't know
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what it is no one's talking and everybody just says it's got to be American let's hear what this lady
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and before I turn to questions I do have news directly from the president of the United States
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that was just shared with me in the Oval Office from president Trump directly an update on the new
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Jersey drones after research and study the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers
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were authorized to be flown by the FAA for research and various other reasons many of these drones
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were also hobbyists recreational and private individuals that enjoy flying drones in meantime
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in the in time it got worse due to curiosity this was not the enemy a statement from the president
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of the United States to start this briefing with some news
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part that gets me is the hobbyist being included in that is like well they definitely were
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hobbyist too because there was hobbyist in Austin around that time there was a ton of drones
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it's like people were like whoa it's a drone party everybody was like everybody with drones is just
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flying them around so okay well that kind of makes sense so it makes sense because there's so much
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drone activity here's the thing that I I got to look at it from an analyst point of view the first
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thing that came up I was like so they knew this the whole time why couldn't they have said that
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from the very beginning it's a different administration right right and then too why were they
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required to have a skiff briefing on drones nobody's ever answered that at one point congress
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guys all went into a skiff and got a skiff briefing on drones and then they didn't have a press conference
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about the results right which would have been could it be that they wanted to see what happens
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when you fly things over a metropolitan area and you fly a bunch of drones over highly populated
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I would think that I only a few reasons why I would say that you'd include both
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federal and hobbyist drones in any kind of an activity and there's only four the hobbyists are
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including themselves right yeah and that that could just be that they're accidentally there but the
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feds what were they doing yeah and why would they have a skiff that's that's my point son explain
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something people that don't know what we're talking about skiff is a place for information above secret
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and it's a special compartment at intelligence facility where we can go in there and talk about
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things that are above and there's no recording devices right no phones no nothing just right but the
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thing is this I mean most of us that are in the intelligence community or whatever we're going to
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look at it and say something's not quite right here because this is something domestic happening
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over the US so would it really require a skiff you know especially if it's authorized right correct
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you know so would it really require that level of security to to go on and have these guys talk
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it just doesn't make any sense yeah the the federal presence to me dictates the fact that
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if this was innocuous and unclassified like you're saying why was there not a press conference
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that described it and said the hobbyists are out there flying to and they're they're just kind
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of interfering with our our our lanes where we go and fly normally between one place to another
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that never came out so why was the skiff even mentioned that's something that they did release
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in the presses that they were receiving briefings that were in a classified environment and then
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they're still the yeah they're still the the problem with these drones popping up all over the
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world especially over military facilities and that part's not been addressed it's just the other
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stuff that they you know right that was right Patterson Air Force Base how to get closed down right
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Patterson Langley Air Force Base there's others and then there's reports of stuff in Australia there's
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reports of things that other places in the world let me ask you this and tell me if this makes sense
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if you were the government and you knew that there were non-human intelligence that were operating
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vehicles above our cities would a way to sort of obfuscate that to launch a bunch of our drones as
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well and have some shit that you could explain and then tell people don't worry about it was just
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drones there's our drones like see here's our drone here's a drone the crash look it's got
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propellers normal drone yeah it's big but it's normal you have no idea how many people have said
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that already yeah yeah you're you're you're going in the direction yeah you've heard that one you've
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heard the other theory they're looking for a dirty nuke right they're looking for that one's
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okay this shit out of me yeah I did too honestly I thought that's what it was about but then they
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have what looking for HVT's like anti terror or looking for terrorist groups because we were I think
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at that time it went through the press that there was over a thousand of these you know dehadas
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that were in our midst we don't know where they're at right you know kind of think maybe they're
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looking for those those are so those are just some of the theories that you come up with with
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this kind of a scenario and then there was the guy you know the congressman that said oh there's
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an Iranian mothership out there and we're like what you know in the ocean yeah yeah none of
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this stuff was making any sense and then you you have to wonder where was he getting his intel
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because if it's that crappy right those people need to be fine well you have to take another thing
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into the into the calculus and that is wasn't this worldwide I mean then we we got reports from
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China even right this stuff was happening right and they don't just have hobbyists flying stuff around
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in their their country maybe they don't right maybe they have a much tighter control over their media
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so they don't have to obfuscate they don't have to yeah trick us to one part that I find very
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confusing is just like if it's happening in Europe and China and all these other places what really
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is going on well could it just did a no-dum and just said hey yeah we're gonna be doing a test in
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this area not don't want to scare anybody whatever but we're just gonna test in this area if it's
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just hours yeah right but if it's not hours and there's a bunch of shit flying around there and we
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want to confuse people wouldn't you have a bunch of conventional drones and fly them low or city
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so people could clearly see it in a totally different way and I not had all this hub up going on so
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yeah you're right but why would you if you know the truth why would you leave the Americans afraid
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of what's flying over their head I think they're still it look assuming you guys are completely
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accurate about all this if they have had this information for a long time I would assume that
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there's a lot of pressure to never release it I think there's probably a lot of problems with
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lying to Congress lying to Congress about budgets and allocation of resources for these programs
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that are all top secret like how have you done this what have you done who's responsible who made
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that call is that even legal and who are you that if you've been in contact with non-human
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intelligence and you have retrieved crafts who are you to keep that from the rest of the world exactly
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and speak for the American government for for that if you're not officially you're not officially
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I mean you don't have the clearance to do what you're doing right I mean they're making decisions
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for the entire human race not just America but the whole race and that's what my beef was when in
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the film when James Fox asked me about that well why are you doing it you know kind of a thing and
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I was like well I feel like this is the right of every man woman in child on the face of the earth
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to know the truth about we're not alone that has nothing to do with the weapon systems in the
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classified parts that I know of but the fact that we're not alone shouldn't that be something that
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everybody should be invited to make their own decision on yeah I would imagine that but I would
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also imagine if you wanted to keep your job and if you have a high intelligence clearance and
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you're working for the government and you're a long time career employee of the government you
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want to keep moving up the ladder and keep you keep your fucking mouth shut right and that's
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what people have to make that decision on their own that you know have they seen enough malfeasance
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to want to report it or not and they're going to throw their whole life into it to see if they do
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that and that's what happened to me yeah yeah and what has it been like since then have you gotten
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support from more people than you thought you would or if more people throwing you on the bus
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than you expected I actually feel more support than I expected I've made it through it's not
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been easy financially for me when they messed with my clearance like having gotten the job since I've
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been out of work since August of last year so that's not been fun was there a reason why they said
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they messed with your clearance no they just made it sound like oh it's just an administrative
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sorry yeah we still have your clearance here and everybody that wants to employ me I've had very
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quite a few employers want to hire me and they say yeah we can see your clearance over here it looks
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like DOD is trying to reactivate it but month by month by month it just sits there and they won't
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pass it to the employer somebody is just sitting there going oh another request for Jason
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my delete that's what's happening because you've stepped down a line that's what it feels like to me
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okay a little bit of you experience same kind of situation no no I'm he's in a different
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class than me he's he's an official whistleblower me I just step forward to say that I don't think
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I we need the government to do this I think we as the public need to do this and I created an
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app to do that I was hoping that was your app my app is called phenom it's an app to report
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UAP paranormal encrypted like events and the idea is that we can get multiple people to see the
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same thing recorded and then look for the outliers and get people like Jacques Vallet and
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Dr. Eric Davis and how put off another the graybeards to look at it and say okay here's what we
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configure out you know Gary Nolan and all these people let's get them the information that they
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need and then after we get them the information they need let's get it out to academia so we can
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have kind of like a more organized approach to finding out what's going on I want to people to
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to use my app on the drones some people did but not not enough and I had a little bit of a problem
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because when I put it out on Android there was only one other app that was close to it that was
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in the same name go back there there's like almost 10 apps with the same name so people didn't know
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what was going on there can get used but anyway to answer your question about the support yes I do
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get a lot of support there's people like you know Stephen Deener there's Digby Furnow and Tom Thompson
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there's UFO Sarah that's on X there's a ton of people that I can mention not let alone how much
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the support James Fox is throwing at me that's what's getting me through this
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how many different versions of these life forms have been discussed with you on mission I can say
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three I know of one two mainly tall whites graze those are the main the tall whites like this one
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that you encountered the one with the big eyes yes yes like that that wasn't that tall you said
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right but that apparently according if you've seen the video for Mr. Hall the guy that was supposed
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to be the weatherman in actual interface with the tall whites no yeah I totally believe I've seen
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too much but anyway he says he goes in and out of my brain well I could verify the fact that what he
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said about his position there as a weatherman that he could walk around anywhere he wanted to because
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that's what the base commander told me when I got my orientation drive through on on dry dreamland
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and he mentioned the weather site and that that person does not can walk wherever they want to
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and what was what what did they report well just what mr. Hall yeah yeah he says that the tall
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whites go through a growth cycle where they're kind of normal height but they're very long live
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they live like 800 years or more but when they start getting older then they get very tall like
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seven eight foot tall and then they begin to you know their bodies begin to not function properly and
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they die kind of like somebody who has a growth problem oh look a giant exactly and they're
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the vital organs just can't pump enough anymore tag a lot large dogs that die early because of that
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heart problem right so the guy that I saw was probably a young person you know probably only like
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70 years old or something like that which is kind of a natalism to them or a young adult oh okay so
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um and this was explained to him through some sort telepathy well he would actually as the weather
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if you listen to that video I really encourage you to do that but mr. Hall also publish some books on
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it but he claims that what he was there at at this one place that you know I can verify it's there
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that on the other side of that that mountain or that hillside that's where the trail goes off
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into where the tall whites are apparently have been given an annex of land to live where they
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don't get bothered I mean it's a part of the military complex yeah on Google earth there is parts of
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it yeah can we like look where the tall whites live I tried to yeah I don't have to get my laptop out
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but yeah it would look like it does look like there's some circular patterns that does look like
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there's some possibility that there are some like doors inside the mountain that is it looks like
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it's camouflage to look like it's part of the mountainside so the idea is that that's a base for
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them when they visit us yeah because apparently the court in mr. Hall they come here for a five-year
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stint I guess and they have to refuel and then they have another ship come through and the other
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ones refueled and it's it takes so they're closer in the evolutionary chain to us than some of the
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other ones that that's my assumption yeah now the other third type that got mentioned on mission
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was reptilians but every time that they were mentioned it was really quickly hushed up by whoever
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else was on the other end of the line shut up don't say that is what they were doing they don't
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want to talk about the return they don't want to talk about the reptilian presence at all they
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they would talk about the tall whites and the gray is being in the lab of the armaments
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you know not a lot but some but these reptilians was it was like nobody wanted to talk about it
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was there any sort of an explanation that anybody give you of why they don't want to talk about it
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no the only time I got any inkling was that when I you know was out of the program and other
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people started to talk to me about all the different you know things they're like well how many
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races are there I don't know but um some people talked about the reptilians and they're like do you
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realize that these are evil and I had to listen to that and and the thing is we don't know if it's
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because of their appearance you know you you would assume something that's reptilian is maybe a demon
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or whatever an anordic way the blonde hair blue eyed is considered like an angel or is it
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that's just our perception but those that's what you hear well every every reptile here is evil
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right you ever seen a commoto dragon eat a goat it's the horrific yeah the different
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they're fucking monsters every single reptile is a monster yeah that's here there's not one
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cuddly reptile you can hang out with cuddles with you he's brings you your newspaper in the morning
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oh I thought that was funny because the lady was like my snakes sleep with me every night and the
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guy says no it's laying next to you because it's sizing you up for eventually you just
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yeah it's gonna eat you all like one day it's gonna eat you you have a monster that you feed you feed
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as long as you keep feeding and won't eat you yeah people with like pythons for pests are
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well to give it some credibility I did do some research after that person talked to me because I
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did see that there is a reptilian race that is very maligned like that and they even have according
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to what I read this one race has a pension for blood for some reason it's like a shark frenzy with
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them they have a real reptile it's a euphoric experience for them yeah a reptilian race it does that
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it just makes you wonder about human history about the stories of demons and angels and this is what
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Tucker Carlson believes that they've always been here and that this idea that they're coming from
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another planet is not it's not that simple no that's more complicated and he thinks that it's the
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the demons and the angels from the Bible yeah so they could be seen that way but here's here's
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something that someone we were just talking and throwing ideas at each other he said if humans have
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actually been on the earth like say this long right all right when the dinosaurs were here they were
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like yeah this long so is it possible though some of them could have evolved to a certain point
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know that something bad is going to happen they're so advanced they go off world and then they come
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back and go hey what happened here or is there a place where the the the Yukaton impact never
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happens and so those dinosaurs eventually evolved to become super intelligent yes because remember
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back in the day there used to be an Omni magazine mm-hmm all right one of those hypotheses was
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if mammals like us hadn't shown up what we do we have looked like and it shows a lizard walking
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upright and doing you know every day things that he wouldn't you think that it would have done that
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already like they were around for like a hundred million years two hundred million years yes like in
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that time period they didn't evolve at all those fuckers are just kept each other in a safe way that's
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the assumption right now we're going back and looking at all kinds of different things like they
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said that maybe it wasn't the asteroid that took out the dinosaurs maybe it was a combination of
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things like there was some kind of mutation something that they drank in the water and it's
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and all at the same time maybe the asteroid was the the catalyst to start it and then all these
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other things that happened after you know the fireball the all the other stuff but if there was a
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group that was so advanced that they consider and go that's an asteroid it's going to kick our
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butt we better get to talk earlier or let's go under you know because there's some lizard looking
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things I can go underwater and do their thing the underground that kind of thing yeah
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because I heard a story anyway got you heard a story yeah okay I just heard a story that someone
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just said imagine this the aliens are coming down there's another society here that lives on
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the ground highly advanced and they like to keep things the way they are so they're going to direct
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all their energy to make sure that the alien the any child that we're seeing are paying attention
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to us and not them I was like yeah but see for me the way I look at all this reptilian
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presence is just like I've read in the Bible you know that for some reason I feel like this
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whole experience I've had in my life actually increased my faith in the Bible and God because
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even in the Bible it mentions the serpents and that Lucifer being the head of that that genre or
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species did cause the fall of mankind you know what's other good stuff so to me I feel like I've
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I just got experience with the reality of the fact that these things exist and even though they
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try to keep it all hidden that I got exposed to the program where I could see some of it and I
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think that there's some credence also to that side of it as well so to give credence to the whole
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thing is just to say that I that's what I believe but at the same time it wasn't there this ebony
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thing that you talked about initially yeah this creature what did that thing look like
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they didn't really describe the the ebony the yelling nope they just said that it was just like
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them reporting on something for that day so it was kind of like a daily thing with them so they had
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already described it you just weren't privy to it and so they were just yeah the assumption
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that everybody was talking about it's kind of like you know somebody asked me what you look like today
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right now after the first time they asked me they're never going to ask me about that again so it
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was like that was just not a god it so this ebony was it here against its will was it here to
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it sounds like it was imprisoned it sounds like an interrogation result is what it sounded like
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if you hear any of the stories they make it sound like he was one of the survivors and he got stuck
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here and he started working with us and eventually he died in the natural natural causes but it's
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speculation because we're in you know we're hearing all this stuff right we don't have any way to
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verify and how many other stories that are similar to that like the interactions and a thing being
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here with us have you heard there's another one that actually escaped from captivity
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yo but he actually convinced his interpreter or his interrogator to help him escape because
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the program was trying to get him to open a portal for them and they wanted to control of it
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and the guy eventually the interrogator actually pushed him into the portal and had
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served traditionally gave him back to his own home world and it ended that guy's career probably
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a portal yeah and what kind of portal are we talking about you're talking like it's kind of like a
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a way of opening a wormhole that you can control and did they say where this thing was accomplished and how
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I think it was also in reticulate I think it was another being from the reticulate system right but
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the portal where's this portal how is it accomplished oh um the portal I thought um it's trying to
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think where was that call from and to because you always get the originating location but you're
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always trying to figure out who the distant end is um trying to think all the parameters because you
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have to write down the phone number and everything sometimes uh it sounded like it might have been on
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the the Pacific Northwest or the west coast area is where this was taking place
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and do they say how the portal was made was this made by them they had recovered parts of one
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and they were trying to complete it and they were trying to get this being to help them complete the
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the portal so that they could you for their advantage like a stargate yeah like a real stargate
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correct yeah remember what I was telling you that story about you know let's go get jimmy yeah
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the rumor that I heard surrounding this was that he convinced his interpreter that if he didn't
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get back and if thing if if uh he didn't get home really bad things were gonna happen and that guy
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just kind of felt like you know hey I got kids and whatever right I don't want society to destroy
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right I had some compassion for him yeah he's been working with a for a while yeah so when he got
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the chance he was just like you know get him in there and you can't remember all the things I
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think they had to keep this this entity tied to its share or something so he couldn't do anything
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and that's why he needed the help of the the guy that was the interpreter he had to push him into
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the portal on the chair that he was tied to yeah I so the rumors I heard I didn't hear the portal
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part I just heard that he somehow he was able to get him outside and just as he got him outside
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they just showed up above and did a snatch and grab and he was gone and next thing you know he's
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out there so there's different versions right there's this in versions I'm just telling you that
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that's the only other one I've heard that you're you're mentioning that you want to me to describe
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that right was there any other entities that we'd captured and had something similar that's the
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only other story I've heard do you know the Richard Nixon story yeah where he went with Jackie Gleason
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yeah yeah do you think that's a bullshit actually not for that time frame now I could see Jackie Gleason
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and Richard Nixon talking some suds down that that I definitely could say and also Jackie Gleason
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did become obsessed with UFOs afterwards and even had a house built the shape of a UFO yeah it's a
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wild-looking house that was apparently for sale recently yes really yeah yeah it wasn't in
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palisades wasn't it was in up and no no it was in upstate New York it did look like it's very
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bizarre looking house like you see you're like why do I Jackie Gleason build I want to say it
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yeah yeah you look at it you're like why would Jackie Gleason build a house like this but then you
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hear that story you go well maybe that's why he did it maybe because the word was that he had
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become obsessed with UFOs at one point in his life and this story came out I think as told by his
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wife oh wow yeah this is Jackson's house which is so weird yeah spaceship like house very strange
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very fucking strange if someone to do something like that yeah I would have to believe they had
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something profound or they were me I would build that I've never had a UFO experience
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in your lower fucking house I love that house I kind of like those two it's like when I'm down
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at Navarbit where I have a home down there in Florida but there's a UFO house down there oh really
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yeah and it looks just like a UFO they think there's a UFO house in California somewhere I think there's
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one in the hills above studio city I think there's one it's like a famous UFO house that I think
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they filmed things they I think it's like on stilts and it looks like a UFO I mean people are always
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gonna want things that look like that it doesn't necessarily mean that the Jackie Gleason yeah that one
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that's in the Hollywood Hills called the chemosphere yeah that dope he's pretty cool fucking dope
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I want cool shit but I'd be terrified living in California with the earthquakes and it's
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stupid place to live yeah you wouldn't want it as your main house
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no that's how you visit every now and then when you want to get drunk yeah let's get drunk
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oh oh I appreciate some place for every yeah have a party have a little cocktail party at the
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UFO house there you go that's exactly how I treat it yeah it's like fun yeah but um so so the
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the graze the tall whites the reptilians but then there's the mantis too right right and those
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are things honestly I've had we've only discussed a part of my life I've had experiences all
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away from three years old on um and even after I was out of the program and I was just working
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in Florida and I've seen the Delta or triangular craft like three times and one of
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those times it was my daughter when we were coming back from her gymnastics class.
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Pretty much just before I retired.
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What did that look like?
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It was like the size of a three-story home but it was you know pointed and on the
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top it was kind of angular kind of like what you see the F-117 look like where
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It kind of looked like that.
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It had pale grayish white lights on the underside on the cardinal corners and then in the
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back there was a flat panel that looked like a grill where there was a light that there
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was like these stack of straight up lights like fluorescent lights are that would go to
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the right and then to the left.
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And did it make noise?
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And they're just flying through the air.
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It was going fairly slow and then when it banked it turned and then that's when it
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sped up a little bit and then I lost it in the trees.
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Then I saw it two other times one time was going to work and the other time was in 2022
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when I reached out to some of the program folks that I used to know to tell them hey there's
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a space on the top secret J-Wish computers that they're talking about UFOs and I pointed
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them directly to this delta shaped craft because I was like I know what this is and I
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know what they know it is.
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So I was trying to let them know that you need to look at this imagery that we have our
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hands on and ends up they ended up showing up with it and they showed me flying in flight.
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They followed me home the next night and it was right there above my car and I'm looking
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Yeah it's a hybrid or it's ours I've always told people.
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Yeah because well here the whole thing is that in the 90s I know they were on mission with
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me at right path and we saw a delta shaped craft.
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It had different missiles at the time or engines at the time that's what a missile is and
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then so this new version looked very similar in shape.
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However it had these glowing orbs that looked like they were part of the propulsion system.
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So they had upgraded part of it and now it looked fully functional and operational because
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back in the 90s it was not.
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So this is the other thing that I keep hearing is that we are in possession of technology
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that is many many years ahead of anything that anybody could anticipate.
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And when we get that I call that exotic material and or whatever you want to call it but
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we get our hands on that and about every you know 10 years we get a breakthrough on it
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because we do study it and sometimes somebody is smart enough to figure something out.
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And the next thing you know we've got fiber optics.
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Or we've got cell phones and we've got transistors.
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Now we're in nano tech you know where all this stuff come from is some of this part of
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this NHI presence and that they've taken a patent that was developed inside the program
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and now these people from Lockheed in Northrop are patting this stuff and then making lots
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of money on the outside.
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Other than the beings that we described are there other ones that people have talked
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I've actually like I said as a young adult I probably encountered more of a spiritual sense
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but they were Nordic looking.
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You know platinum here kind of a look blue eyes.
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Like the tall whites are different.
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How many documented different species have you heard of?
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I'm talking about my mission days it's only that handful and then if you're talking about
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other things that I've had other people tell me about.
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I think I've heard enough from enough people that I trust that I think our concept of
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life in this universe is totally off.
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I think there are literally trillions of other life forms and anything you can imagine
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So that's an interesting thing because I always one of the things that I wondered when we used
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to talk in the task force was if this is the you know where the alpha species here on
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So what if what we're seeing is the alpha species from another planet.
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Think about what other critters and other things are running around and maybe if we see
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something wild and crazy over here what if it's somebody you know who's got a dog like
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You know something you know something like what was that you know we just don't know.
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So you know we can speculate in everything and build all these hypotheses up but we're
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constantly looking to add to what we think is out there so we can figure out going here's
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what we figured out here's what we have.
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Now is the conventional explanation that these things are from other planets or is there
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speculation that they're interdimensional?
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Is there speculation that they live in the water?
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The way they appear and disappear is interdimensionalism that you and I've had other friends that have
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had encounters that have talked to me that they could see a larger craft and then it turned
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and all of a sudden there is a door opening and a creature coming out and yet this other
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part of the craft seemed to be like a long way off.
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So it's like interdimensionally large however you know when it turns it's not like our
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four dimensional world.
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I've heard of a craft that you go inside of it and it looks like a couple hundred feet
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on the outside you go inside of it and it's big enough.
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Yeah Dr. Hues though.
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Because it's going into this other dimension and there's actually more space to that.
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And that's what the sky was describing.
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So we've all heard that too.
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The other thing too about the dimensional thing because of the speeds that they're moving
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in it could be that they're moving so fast it looks like they slipped into it and they're
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mentioned because sometimes you'll see these things go off into the sky and then do some
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weird whatever and then they're gone and then other times what you're seeing is this thing
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is moving slowly and then all of a sudden it's gone and you're like did they just slip
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into it and the mentioner is that they're good.
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Is it speed so fast that you can't track it with your eye?
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I've heard people tell me that they were seeing some of these things moving at 16,000
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miles per hour plus and we're still accelerating.
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I've never been able to verify that obviously but these are some people that seem to know
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what they're talking about and you know they just kind of come forward.
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I would just have when I was on the test force I would just get a phone call and they said
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hey are you Mr. Logan?
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You know like check your email in about five minutes or you know hey there's something
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I want to tell you and I have no way of verifying it but the idea would be to put it in a
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little box somewhere to say hey this is an unknown and maybe someone like Jason would come
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along and verify what this guy just told me or verify what I just saw in a video that
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maybe he can corroborate on.
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We would look at primarily for the task force we were looking at the safety of the pilots
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because they were having so many problems and they kept filling out all those safety reports.
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You know so we're like and I remember asking the task force director J. Strenel was
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like what about all the commercial stuff that's going on and he says I want to incorporate
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that but I can't because with their stuff we don't have a good chain of custody on what's
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happening and if someone's manipulating the data with this stuff that's coming directly
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from the pilots we can.
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So I was always looking at what the pilots told me they saw and then me and several others
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in and outside of the task force were looking through the commercial stuff to see if we
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could find the same exact thing because that's how I when I first got it pulled into the
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task force it was I talked about my app and I was going to do this just to figure out
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just something for a hobby when I get older you know when I grow up and then Lou Elizondo
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came out with Leslie Keenan their story and I went and found Lou and I said if you're
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serious about what you're talking about stop by my office because I just wanted to see
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if he could do it and he showed up with the gang and they presented their story about
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the pilots and everything and we were like okay and I said well what about this weird
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thing over here and they're like how do you know about that and I was like I got friends
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in low places kind of like you and they looked at me and they said don't worry that one's
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we've been told that something mundane is nothing important and I was like I beg to
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differ and I was able to show them a video of the same thing seeing somewhere in the world
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through civilian stuff and I remember when they were leaving after they heard everything
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and all of a sudden Lou just turns back around and goes you're in and I was like in what
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and he goes you'll see and next thing you know I was in the task force so and for me I
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was like oh my life just came full circle I saw some things and now I'm I'm actually going
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to investigate these things and so that's how I kind of pressed ahead and then just to add
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on top of that remember I said when Jason showed up I I called David Grush right but the
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funny thing was I hadn't even been in the task force that long and I was trying to look
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at things all of a sudden I get a phone call and I'm like yeah how can I help you and he
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goes my name is David Grush are you serious about all this stuff you're tracking and I go yeah
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he goes I want in and I was like huh and he goes I think I have something that could
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not help with you guys and I was like well I'm not in charge of this I got to introduce you to
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you know Stratton and company and so I introduced him and every now and then I would say hi to him
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and we talk and he called me on the phone but who else I mean I'm going to Stratton I'm going to
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all the people in the task force and he pops up and I'm like oh my god you know what do you do
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with that you know right I don't have the resources I didn't get invited like he did yeah I didn't
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have the resources to check out everything that he did one of the things that we keep hearing
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Christopher Mellon's talked about this many people talked about this is there is evidence that's
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been classified that is high resolution video and photographs that are very distinct very different
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than some of the blurry stuff that we've seen have you guys seen any of that yes you have can you
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talk about it nope all I can say is that there's some really really good clear high-deaf stuff
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out there that can explain you can explain you're just sitting there going we went through the whole
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rigmaron these objects you had people on one side of the fence people on the other side of the fence
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people in the middle of it all and nobody could draw the first thing we're trying to do is go
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okay could that could that be Russia could that be China okay who else is there and you go
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through your whole list then you once you put that off to the side you go through now what are we
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observing and some of the things you know like Lou said the five observables plus the six which is
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you know the psychological effect on that but you're kind of going through there was looking for all
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those they're not always there yeah but they're super clear and some of them you're like how I mean
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you look at it you just keep saying how can that be yeah because you've got also you got to understand
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that these are these are professionals we had imagery analysts go through looking for false positive
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like camera artifacts that that look like something they're not we they can do AI analysis of
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images now they're pretty accurate exactly and we had a whole data database of all these false
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positives to go through and it wasn't matching any of that we were going through the imagery
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analysis of the video looking for flaws like artifacts couldn't find anything and this you
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talking about a high resolution video yeah much clearer than the stuff we're seeing exactly what's
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the resistance to that stuff getting out there to the general public it's just classification it could
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be where it's at those type things it could be anything because one of the things that I think the
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community really gets hung up on when it comes to the intel community is that the classifications one
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thing but when you don't know if something is a threat you automatically assign a value to that
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as being credible or not credible and right now they can't draw a conclusion therefore they don't
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want to declassify it therefore it will not be divulged in public because of those reasons I
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was telling him in my my first thing as an intel analyst to go the frandorfo right and then
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the next thing I'm trying to do is you know break down all the characteristics and and we would sit
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there and you're looking when I first joined the task for sorry I remember there was a group that
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I used to walk in their office because they're they're smarter than me you know so I want to make
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sure I'm getting the best input and the first couple of times I showed up everybody pulled out
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the aluminum hats they put it started playing the x files music and I'm like okay guys but what about
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this and I throw it out there and they're like oh yeah what is that after about the fourth or
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fifth visit no more music no I come in everybody's already hunched over what I've already sent them
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they're like yeah what is that because we would jay strident asked us to he said lean forward and get
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out there and and you use an all source approach to looking and gathering all the information on
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what we can find so I would capture like I'd call up a drone guy and say I need you to come to my
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office take a look at this and he would look at it and he's like holy crap how big is that what how
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and I was like yeah I need answers can you take a look and he would look and I'll get back to you
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a couple weeks later he's like dude I got nothing and then you know we would have an imagery guy look
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at it and you know sometimes they could sit there and say do that's this if you had one
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piece of footage or image to release would there be one that really stands out like if you said if
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they said look you could release this one just one of these classified high resolution videos
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is there one that really stands out as being unique it's a group for me there's a group of
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them can you describe any of it I think Luel is under described one there's the story
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that he talks about I think Commander Fraver discusses about the torpedo do you remember that one
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where the story is that they were launching torpedoes and you know they blew the bowels on the
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torpedo the torpedo came up to the top and the divers came to hook the torpedo and just as they
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were about to to hook it something very large like an island came up underneath them
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all right um so I got this weird call and it's you have to play devil's advocate because when you
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when you're trying to tell guys that there were they were the observer and you're trying to say hey
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well you know it could have been this some of these guys get downright angry they're pissed
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because you're questioning their ability to discern what's going on they were there you weren't
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you know so you said something life changing right so you have to be careful because after a while
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nobody will want to talk to you again because oh Logan's an asshole because he's telling you know
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right so you're very careful so this guy just sends me this thing and I'm looking at it and I just
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maybe a couple weeks before I'd heard this story with Fraver and and Elizondo so I'm like
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what is this and there was this all I can say was there was something very very very large
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moving under the water but not not too far that you can't see it but it's moving under the water
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and it's passing objects that I know are really large and this thing is bigger than them
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right and I'm sitting there going well I think they mentioned one of them and that was the
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oil tanker one yes yeah that one confused the hell out of me and there were people saying it was
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just a shadow that someone was going 500 knots yeah yeah I think so yeah but some people were saying
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it was just some kind of a round object that's the sun is just making a large the shadow of the
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moon going across the face and they did another analysis and they looked at the wave tops and they're
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like this is not a shadow otherwise we show up on the wave tops this is under the surface and
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this thing is disturbing the water underneath it this thing made this oil oil rig out in the
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ocean look adorft it I mean this was like three or four times bigger so the speculation is that
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they're hiding in plain sight in the water or is the speculation that there's always been a
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civilization down there I would say in my in my opinion yes no in my opinion I would say that they
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are have been here very long time in that the certain underneath the ocean and underneath the
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ground or through the best places to stay hidden and out of the way of prying eyes you go out in
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the boonies somewhere or you go like there's a whole bunch of activity going around around Puerto Rico
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Puerto Rico yeah there's a whole bunch of activity that is going on you know we're the name and
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Cincinnati accident happened all right so there's things that we want to verify because you hear
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stories about things like you've heard of the Baltic anomaly all right so the first thing you
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want to know is well first of all is it actually there once you've verified that it's there you want to
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know what's his composition what's his composition all those things there's another thing on there you
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can look it up right now it's called the Cuban Atlantis it's supposed to be 13 nautical miles west
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of Cuba all right and it looks like there's triangles and everything else there and I'm like
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from the moment that thing came out I've never heard anybody else say we've been there we've
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checked it out we've verified it it's there let's send a dive team down the thing on the right there
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you know that's yeah that's under the water yeah that's supposedly 13 miles off the coast of Cuba
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well that's what we want to know yeah we want a verify that's crazy you know yeah whatever that is
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yeah where's the National Geographic documentary on that is that wait a minute is that for real
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just the one I never seen that before all the other ones I'm thinking are fake but this one
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up top right there where the thing is click on that Jamie yeah ancient origins is it a crackpot
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site doesn't doesn't give the vibes of a place to start looking for relevant information right
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wait a minute Jamie there's no vibe so supposedly that's what happens man there was some people
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doing something coming across the water and they saw it so could it be that the Caribbean we
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analyze this one yeah the Caribbean's hot and and there's something out there you know
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skip ahead it eventually goes in the water yeah it's very weird even even this one we've we've
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looked at it we argued over this for months how fast this thing's supposedly going it's not going
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that fast it's it's it's a it's kind of quick like a like a lear jet would
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you know but but it just looks like no mark right in the water the two things that stick out
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about it's not that it goes in the water it does there's no roots in it's going fast in the water
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yeah there's no roots to tail it comes off it right and the other thing is at one point near the end
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it actually looks like it splits in two there's like ones a holograph on ones right and now there's
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some other imagery guy that's saying all that he didn't it didn't actually go in the water just
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look at it splits up yeah there you go see this is the part that you can't and what do we see
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you with the drones some of these are splitting yes and these are the ones that I find very curious
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because those are the ones that get sent and they're like it's an ore but now there's three of them
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you know how do I explain that well listen I want thank you guys for having the courage to even
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talk about this because I know it brings with it a lot of ridicule and for people like me that have
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no idea what's going on it's very fascinating and you know a lot more than most but I
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I still don't know anything though so that's not good I know where they're going to wait I
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mean yeah but I mean all I know is what people told me so I don't know what's real and what's not
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real you know but I appreciate you guys very much and thank you for being here if you got social
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media tell everybody where they can get a hold of you I'm on X space mainly just my name Jason T.
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Sands is my moniker so Logan I am at phenom dot earth just look it up and you'll see information
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about my app and and a little bit about my background okay and I've got a first hand fund I'm
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trying to get further whistleblowers to come forward as well okay James Fox did ask me to pass
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you something he said if you could put out a shout out to anybody that has information on the
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varianian stuff because he's found some new information and he needs to start corroborating
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ah okay where they get a hold of James James Fox director I think on Instagram I believe so
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and his x-paces also good way okay all right beautiful thank you gentlemen appreciate it thanks
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for being here thank you Joe very good you all right bye
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