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In the third and final part of our interview with Matthew Brown, the author of the Immaculate
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Constellation Report.
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The submission of this report onto the Congressional record and its announcement caught people by surprise.
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Its distribution was allegedly very tight and these unelected members on these congressional
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staffs that get to set the agenda for our elected leaders had to scramble and adjust in real time.
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They panicked. What I have learned is that we live in a dream. It carefully constructed reality.
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We make use of a science that is tightly controlled and suppressed and distorted.
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Who are they? Why are they here? Why don't they show us what's going on?
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I think I have a good degree of confidence that the reason they're here is us think life, especially
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sentient life, it's a precious thing. And I think to some it might be a resource. I think humanity to
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some level is a resource for them. It's been a very painful costly process to find allies,
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but I have them. There's more of us. This doesn't stop.
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Right. You get to know some of these other whistleblowers who are still in my public yet.
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Correct. So it who are at least close to coming forward. Yes. Is there a strength in numbers
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that in that regard? Yes. And if all of us die or imprison the seeds of implanted, more will come.
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I fly out to California and I meet with Michael Schellenberger. I told him, hey, I got a story for
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you. Would you like to chat with me? I had met him previously very briefly, totally something
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unrelated and his work on the Twitter files, defending free speech against a very pervasive and
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insidious censorship regime that our government, even before the Biden administration had implemented,
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inspired me that he would do the right thing. Logical, great choice. My hope is to have a lot of
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journalists working on this from different angles so you can trust who are honest. So that's where
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your head's at. Yeah. So before we have a good we have a good meeting. I show him the document.
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This has been cleared by state. You know, I would prefer to like maybe cut it down because it's
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pretty long. Right. But you get to look at it and are you interested? The answer is yes. We're going to do
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a story. That's in summer of 24, I believe. Early summer late spring. So with that in hand and
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knowing that I had at least tapped to Sask and Sissy, thought it was okay to move forward with
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that story and then try to talk to house with the full details in the meantime before that story
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came out. It takes time to bet things. He has to look into me, just find out who I am, look
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into the details of what I'm alleging. I know the pro George and I know the process well.
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So it takes months, you know, so I got some time and that time I for the first time get connected
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with David Grush. I have a very enlightening conversation with him and at his suggestion, he
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connected me with you and that is how how we came to meet. Yeah. And I'm looking not to report on
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what you're saying initially. I'm looking to help you achieve the goal that we're all fighting for,
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which is getting the people asking for the information this doesn't have to be public. It doesn't
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have to be a public display. This is let's facilitate these conversations. That's where we started.
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I'm not really doing journalism work with you. I'm trying to just help the process go. That's how
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that was my head space. Yeah. I was asking Grush like I'm having a real hard time,
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a meeting members themselves and be just even talking to anybody at house. Who's the guy to go to
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and it was you. Okay. So that was the nature of our meeting. George and I have had a great
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relationship trying to help facilitate information knowledge and human beings in for this sort of
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thing. So it makes sense. It was a good move. We did well with David Grush. So George and I
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our role oftentimes is to connect people. We are reporters. It is to break stories, tell the news.
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But really a lot of what I was personally doing was trying to facilitate help facilitate the
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process they're asking for. At that time we had had a great hearing. David Grush also quite a
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favor who had a beg to testify. It was great. It was a success. Everything was clean on that one,
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on that hearing. This was a new thing, a new era. It felt different from the get go. But the idea
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was we're going to have another set of hearings. I am all for that. They tapped me to try to help
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connect them with people and George. And so we've had many calls through many process. And now I'm
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out there to have meetings directly about firsthand people with firsthand experience who can directly
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testify about this. Whether they talk publicly or not, this is the information you need. So I go to
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have these established meetings. You and I meet and do physically and we talk about it and you want
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to come with me and I can bring you in but I can't let them know because we're still trying to protect
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you trying to protect your identity. So it was kind of like we'll talk about it more in the
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play about a kind of harrowing experience. You were very nervous. I mean, it was like you're exposing
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yourself in the in the in those meetings. Absolutely. Right. And just by walking into those offices or
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the buildings those offices are in. Right. Right. So very public. Very public. So we kind of hide you in
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the in the camera crews where I say in that you were walking with us but getting into the buildings.
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But I asked each member. I said, okay, you wanted direct people. I have one here to speak with
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you. Everybody needs to leave the room, including the cameras. It'll just be us. Is that cool?
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And each one, although they gave us wisdom along the way as we did our progression of getting
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you right in front of people to give them your quick testimony and some documentation. So that's
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what we went through. And we go in and there you are. You're sitting in front of and you know,
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somebody with position. I just want to know what did that feel like first of all that that moment
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we got to finally get to them. I mean, in the moment, it just was somber serious. Also, you know,
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nervous. I got a I got like, you know, it's it's five minutes, but I only have probably like a
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minute to speak. Bro, you were sweating. You were stressed. I mean, it was intense. So getting, yeah,
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getting most important information across and also establishing my credibility as fast as possible.
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And I was making sure you weren't fucking plant, you know, to be honest, that was part of the
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process is making sure he'd say the same thing to, you know, to to Congress that to members that
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he said to me, not that I didn't believe you. And I had done the vetting and I how was there, but
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I want to hear you say it, show it. So you're not trying to interrupt me. I mean, honestly, that's
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part of my thing. Man, if we got through that, didn't we? It did. It worked well. It did. So you
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come out of that thinking, okay, all right, this is good. I made contact. I'm making a little see where
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it goes. Multiple. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty strong. Yeah. I mean, at this point in time, I'm very,
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actually, I skeptical as Arthur, I do not believe, did not believe that this would work in Congress,
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but I knew that the attempt had to be made. We had to try. We had to try. I knew that I
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alone wasn't big enough or important enough to to shift the tides of history there to shift what
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apparently the executive branch had decided, which was we are going to squash this. And anybody
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that tries to bring it up, we are going to, you know, silence cutouts and disparage.
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They were asking for whistleblowers. And there we are. And then he is growing the whistle on this.
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And that's what they were asking for. So for me, it was a big win for them to meet you face
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face. Cause I knew down the line, if this is going to progress, look, you would have testified.
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Let's get real clear on this. They were asking for it. You would have testified.
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You were not asking to testify. You're saying, here's the little piece that I have, but you,
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you said in that room that you would, if, if requested, I would, if asked, and I did not want to do
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it at the upcoming hearing, of course, because that was very close. And I knew no way felt ready
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to do that. But you put the ball in their court. And it said you would. They didn't ask, right?
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And we got to, there's a whole thing about that. But just you really put it out there. I did. Yeah.
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Okay. I think it'll take white change in our present circumstances for anybody to ever testify
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under oath on this subject again in a way that would make a difference. I think they know the power of
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in an open hearing, putting your hand on the Bible and swearing that you're going to speak
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nothing but the truth and doing so is symbolic. And it's very valuable. And that is why I believe
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that they are desperately attempting to deny. And natural. That's what we saw. You know, we don't
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got to rehash it. That's what we saw the second hearing absolutely controlled. Representative
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Birchet testified to it by saying it publicly that the executive branch did limit what could be said
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and by who and George's brought that up a bunch. And you know, so, so I agree. Executive branch
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in the halls of Congress determining what the business of Congress is and not even through the
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courtesy of a phone call to the vice president of the president, but through minions and stuages.
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Unelected. Probably CIA. Yeah. Oh, certainly. Yeah. Would you, when you hear about the line up for
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the hearing that was held, you've got to be feeling pretty good about it. Oh, yeah, I was going to
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be a witness. He's going to talk about immaculate consolation and not just a witness on his own next to
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a Lou Elizondo Tim Galadette and this guy I've never heard of before, but seems nice Nick Gold or
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Michael Michael. Michael. Great. They're saying, all right. Good. All right. It's going to come out. We're all pumped.
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Did you know what exactly what was going to be discussed by the Shellberger at that point? I
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I mean, I knew it was going to be, you know, me and my words and my report.
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And because the two of you met with them the night before the hearing.
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Well, yeah. And I mean, I
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hadn't met with Michael to give him the story. I say, like, there's no mystery here. Why they're bringing him.
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But yeah, there was a lot before that too. But I mean, I have a two plus month process of prompting
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trying to get something on congressional record knowing that what your your testimony was valuable.
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It wasn't just like spur of the moment. There is a process. It was a three major meetings that
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occurred to validate the information that that you provided to me. It's not just like. So getting
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on something on congressional record is a little bit more tricky than than people think they have to
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have time with it. So I very slowly with your authorization over those months had in-person meetings.
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Not just you being there, but then working with them showing them the information. So they had
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time to that. They're worried about getting scammed too, right? So it was a process.
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It was a process that for me was very arduous.
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Personally, there were a lot of phone conversations that we sat in on with
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Hal Staff and it got curiouser and curiouser is the people who were in on these conversations
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with us on the other end. That's curious folks. Just popping in on a meeting that I'm supposed to
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be having with them. They wanted to know what assets George and I have to visually show them.
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We were going to provide them. They were saying at one point that we were going to testify and I
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said, cool. And I want to give some substantial to the American public. This is what I want to give them.
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Well, you know, at some point they're trying to get us into a skiff and my federal lawyer,
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our federal lawyer said, do not go in there because they will immediately classify all that
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information that alleged the Umeh or the access to and then you're never reporting on it.
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So we went through our own journey. We don't have to get into that in this discussion, but there was
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a lot of stuff happening behind the scenes, but Harah, Haree, congressional record, your report,
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which is misrepresented when Nancy Mays talked about a big time, but we're happy. We're happy.
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And I was stoked to have Michael Schellenberger, who at that time I was like, this is great. He's
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going to be a good ally moving forward and he's the right man for the job. Yeah, bottom line,
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no matter the Shen Aguins involved and how revealing that second hearing was about the control
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mechanisms in place about UAP. I was elated and I think so were you that without having to put
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your face out to the public and endure all of that like you're doing and going to experience now,
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your testimony got put on a congressional record. That was a big win. Yeah. There was a bit of a
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personal pleasure too. We, like we, I, at the very least got to see someone else be scared for
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once who was scared. Not the bosses of the people who interfere in Congress, but the minions
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themselves because their bosses didn't tell them what was going to happen. Can you dive a little
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deeper into that? Well, by all appearances, both behind the scenes and in front of them,
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the submission of this report onto the congressional record and its announcement caught people by
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surprise. Its distribution was allegedly very tight and these unelected members on these congressional
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staffs that get to set the agenda for our elected leaders had to scramble and adjust in real time.
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They panicked. See, having something on congressional record is different than just putting out a
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news report. News report goes away. One click done. This is much bigger and I saw that too. So
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it was a big move and it was probably, was filled with pleasure to see it, it stirred shit up.
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Yes. You know, you said it before and I want to drill this home at one time saying these words,
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putting these words in text, saying them over the phone. There was repercussion for that.
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At one time, I understand it as I understand it as well. But so it gets published and I was stoked.
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I remember that day I went on a news show and I was like, I had nothing. I didn't do it. Somebody
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put it out. You let me know that it was going to be public. But I was stoked to hear those words
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mentioned. But getting it on record, watching the table's turn was filled with pleasure.
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Yeah. No long-term outcome. But this is a fight without many wins. So
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you can take the small personal pleasures. As this news travels, is there a blowback? Do you suddenly
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realize, hey, something might happen to me as a result of this getting out there? You're happy
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that it's finally there on the record. But then does that change over the days or weeks afterward?
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Not so much. I was definitely under no illusions at this point. Nothing would functionally change.
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But what mattered was adding new fuel to the fire to look what looked like was a dying cause.
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Is there a blowback for you personally? Does anybody call you and say, you shouldn't have done
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that or does somebody figure out who you are? Is there an attempt to identify who you are?
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I'm sure there were attempts. I'm sure some of them were successful. But I mean,
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I've been known to internal security undoubtedly since almost day one.
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Here's the deal. People misunderstand because it was misrepresented in Congress. This is not
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a Pentagon paper, a product. You are the author of what the world knows as the Immaculate
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Constellation Report. This is a report based upon a field report based upon your investigation,
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what you've discovered, trying to do the right thing, bringing it to the people that need to see
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it because it was so hard, even though they're asking for you, to get it to them. So just to be
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really clear for the fundamentally for people, Immaculate Constellation Report, what was
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submitted into Congress onto Congressional Record, which we fought together to get that done,
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is your words. It's not some government Pentagon report like it was misrepresented by
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Nancy Mason Congress. Not at all. All my words, 100% authored by me.
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One of the striking things for me in talking to you through this process,
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supposed to just reading the final report that went on to Congressional Record, I mean, you
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list and label, Cuboid Formation of Metallic Orbs. These are UFOs. Fast mover observed,
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transiting over satellite or sensitive facilities, intelligence vessels positioned to collect
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unreproduction vehicles, equilateral triangle, UAP tails, unwitting vessel. This one struck
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large disk using clouds as concealment. And why that struck me is because George and I have been
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exposed to a lot over the years. And I think I know, and other people know what you're referencing
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in here. It sounds like you watched a video. You said on US government networks, there exist
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OPIR footage. What is it? Overhead persistent infrared. That might be a correction that a
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satellite may not have been an OPIR satellite, after all. But this one, and then you keep going on,
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a boomerang shaped jellyfish shaped, you know, tick-tack shaped. You're not just making these
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words up. Like you saw visual evidence of these. And so did have George, and I, we have been
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exposed to along the years a lot of visual evidence. But this one, the large disk in the clouds,
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just explained to me, seeing something like that. From number one, it's pretty striking because
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you're watching it from spinks. It's always cool to watch satellite feeds. And that's just something
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the general public doesn't get to see. And then too, just the size of it, it was immediately like,
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well, what the hell is that? It was in, I assume infrared, but either, yeah, black hot for that one.
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So the white clouds around it. And yeah, it's almost playful in its activities, or like it was
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startled. But it's one of those cases where I look at it, and you know, it looks like a flying saucer,
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but it might be one of the things that maybe that was actually one of ours. The wrong place,
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set the wrong time. What do you mean it looks startled? What does that mean?
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You know, it's just looking at an area over the ocean is what it appears. And this thing just comes
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chundling along underneath the cloud cover comes up. And then right when it's almost center frame,
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squits off the side and tries to get out of it comes into a certain going, oops, I'm being
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somebody's spotting me. Exactly. It was visibly the feeling it had.
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That was kind of haunting to me. I checked, we checked when we were with some friends recently.
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I never know. We are not qualified to know if some of the things we've been exposed to are legitimate
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or not. But when I get confirmations like you describing this and other people we've just
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recently talked to, I know that footage exists. We've been exposed to it. And I think that that's
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a nice piece to the puzzle for the public. What about jellyfish? Yeah. So I mean, I only heard that
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once it was released. It's similar stuff that I had seen on the inside and it was often labeled
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like a floating brain or an organic or irregular shape. So that's why it's in there.
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So yeah, I've seen multiple instances of irregular shape things that look thematically
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similar to the jellyfish. I've never seen the jellyfish video itself.
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But seeing those, there's an instance of there one in Southcom right at our border crossing
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what appears to be into United States airspace. Let me get clandetected from Mexico.
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I believe from one way or another, I can't recall the compass orientation right now,
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but I would assume into the US, which is why it was interesting.
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Let me get clear in a couple of days. First of all, people like yourself, it's happened with
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Lazara, I happened with Greg. Every word you say, you're worried about, if your memory is a perfect
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disorder, you've done a great job of really curating, making sure what you said is accurate. It's okay
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to make a mistake. It's okay to not remember the exact equipment that did this or that in your brain.
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So you're saying the word jellyfish, you first heard when George and I released that thing
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into the public media. Jellyfish, although it was described differently for different assets you've
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seen on servers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That term was describing something I had seen before.
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Okay, okay. But we just called the jellyfish because that's what it was told to us. They had two
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spaghetti monsters or other option that was said to us. Jellyfish works, but that morphology or
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shape is something that consistently you had seen within these classified servers.
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Yes, in other contexts outside of the Middle East. Okay. You ever see any videos where we're
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engaging with them? Either we're chasing them or warplanes or something are going after a disc,
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a saucer, a norb or something like that? So I've seen videos and red reports of engagements,
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but not live, like we're not shooting them, but engagements where either we are trying to
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intercept something, read lots of reports on that, and from other countries as well trying to
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intercept these things. Each report will have its own shape that they're chasing, but I guess what
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they are. But then, yeah, when there's an example in there off the East Coast, what would be classed
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as an engagement where we're up there protecting our airspace and encountering these things and
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interacting with them in a way that we would consider hostile. And if it was anything else,
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if we had a Russian bomber patrol that had a fighter escort and they tried to box our fighters out,
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force them down from the wash, the jet wash, that would be a hostile engagement.
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But for whatever reason, we're not describing it that way internally.
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So we're sending a plane up to take a look, yeah, maybe get a better look or even some imagery,
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but not to engage, meaning shoot it down, shoot a side winder out of it or something, right? I would,
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you know, I'm not going to be able to say that's never happened, but I have not seen them engaged,
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yeah, with weapon. Well, it recently happened and we became aware of one, more because of that,
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I think we'll report on. And what happened was the missile quote, bounced off. And so they're
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trying to figure that out and let, you know, what is that imply like a field around it? I don't know.
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We also released one that was so embarrassing to release. We had to call it, look like Karmat the
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Frog. I think we called it Syria dome, but the reason we released it because verified we tried to
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engage it, we tried to shoot it. And I believe we hit it, but we don't know the aftermath or what
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happened to that. We reported on that is actual information, even though it looks so silly,
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we had to report it because of UAP. So from the recent event to that, it brings me back to what you
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said, George, about the official orders back in Russia back in the day. Tell me that real quick
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again. So the Russian military that from 78 to 88, they had a standing order for the any every unit
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in this vast Soviet military empire, any UFO or ball of light flying saucer, anything weird in
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this guy. It had to all be investigated. And the guy who was in charge of that program at the
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Ministry of Defense said that there had been several dozen instances where they sent planes,
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warplanes to intercept these UFOs. And they mostly they couldn't keep up with them. They just
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pooped. They're gone. But in three cases, they tried to engage and shoot them down. Three cases where
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those planes, the Russian warplanes crashed. Two of the pilots died. And after the second pilot
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died, they issued an order, leave them alone because in the words of the commander of the Russian
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Air Force, they said they have incredible capacities for retaliation. So why so many shapes? Why do you
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think so many shapes? I used to think fly saucers were disks. I used to think UFOs were for fly saucers.
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And that's the reason they now have to know. And this guy for so long reading all our reports,
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getting whistleblowers talking with them. Why so many shifts? I think part of it's sometimes these
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might be made to purpose. So if they're only making it for a specific use case scenario,
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they'll design it to sell on that mission. I guess we know that. We do. Absolutely. We have
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bombers that look a certain way. And then we have a reconnaissance vehicle to look in other ways.
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Star Wars, they have giant cruisers and they have the expiders. Oh, for different jobs.
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Would you be surprised to hear about cases where these things, large objects come out of the ocean
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or go back into the ocean? Does that sound familiar? I would not be surprised. I have not seen
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very large objects go in and out of the water, but I've definitely seen small to medium-sized
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UAPs either going into the water and disappearing or going in and out or coming out of the water.
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Fact. Fact. And on video and described.
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Is it a video and described any kind of change of inertia?
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Sorry. Multiple videos. Any kind of we have also been exposed to something.
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Let me ask you this. Any change of like any inertial effect, any change of speed or motion.
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That's like the water wasn't there. It's like the gold for anybody wants to see. I wonder if it's ever
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enough. Like is video ever enough? Like what is enough for people to wrap their heads that there's
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a real issue? I don't know. I don't think one video is ever going to change. I want to talk to you
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about signals, intelligence, signet. That was a big part of your investigation. Can you explain that
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and why? Yeah. So it was one of the sources where we have a fantastic intelligent posture.
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It's not as data heavy, so it's just much easier to move around and access and read through quickly.
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Now it's one of the shortest sections in there because in my mind, you know, those are
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these are incidental collections, right? Yeah. I'm sure we are specifically collecting signals
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intelligence on this. But my research was not in those sort of data streams. That majority is
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accidental kind of capturing of exactly from other countries, other militaries,
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activities related to this and their observations related to this or sometimes historic things that
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we acquire that happen to pop up in those in the SIGINT channels. Yeah. So the reason there's less
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detail there though is we're using those every day. We rely on them a lot and they're very fragile,
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very sensitive and diplomatically sensitive as well. The things you're describing that you'd
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seen that are in this reporter, mostly things that are, there's then a Pacific and the Atlantic,
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there's over Africa, there are foreign things, something coming over the border from Mexico.
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What about cases in the US? Is Norad? Is that just a black hole for these kind of images?
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It's something that happens over our country. You don't even get to see it. Yeah, Northcom is a
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black hole. You need, I mean, just legislatively, there's legal things keeping us the military and
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the IC supposedly from looking at the States. That's what we have domestic law enforcement,
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mission in general. You got to have a very good reason to be looking at, you know, over your
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neighbors' fence basically. This is a, I think it's, you know, it's functionally a bit, a barrier to
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present, prevent accidental or just curious people, you know, doing things they shouldn't
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in our homeland, which would actually get them in trouble. It's one thing if we're doing it,
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you know, some foreign countries, one thing if we're crossing the line and spying here without
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a specific mission. The complaint we hear from UFO world is, I don't care about these blurry
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images. These things are blurry. The tic tac to me. That was a fantastic image, you know,
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they're, you're not sending a Dave Fraver up in with an iMac's camera to make a movie.
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These are captured on sensor systems. The same as like 2019, the US as Omaha, pitch black,
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100 miles off the coast of Southern California. They're picking up an image that they follow for an
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hour on a thermal camera. They're blurry, but they're amazing images. I mean, is there a reason
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that the public doesn't see crystal clear movie quality images of UFOs?
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Yeah, I think unfortunately it's a product of our education system, a lack of curiosity
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in general about the world. There's a lot of arrogance in our academy and that arrogance
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filters down to our citizens. We know the world. We haven't figured out there's nothing
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left to discover here. And I think in general, there's so much misinformation, stigma,
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mythology that people grow up with that lead them to just automatically categorize any of this as
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just a, you know, false fake, not real, misidentified. We're getting an image on a thermal camera,
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100 miles out to sea and total blackness. It sounds pretty cool to me. That sounds like an
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amazing accomplishment, but is there other additional reasons that have been maybe discussed
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behind closed doors, force fields of some sort around these craft that make things blurry,
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even for a from a mid camera image, you know, probably a very real explanation for why certain shapes
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are harder to observe than others. I think whether it's active camouflage and the skin of the
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vehicle itself, that definitely seems to be in play or a field like you describe. I've seen
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evidence of fields around crafts. Yeah, some things we've seen have looked so bizarre. It makes no
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sense to my brain. It is possible. I've heard that from a number of whistleblowers at different
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levels that what you're seeing could just be a part of a greater structure, you know.
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So it could be something like that speculating. We have this Chinese balloon thing that
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happened three different objects. UFOs, three UFOs shot down in a couple of week period.
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And then we saw people use that, the usual people in the media world who bashed this stuff,
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who tried to blame it on the UAP task force. The reason we're not, Norad is not looking for
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something like this because the UAP task force confused the whole situation. It's as if Norad
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would only look for things that look like planes, bombers, or missiles. So we didn't look for
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UFOs. Is it possible that we didn't look for UFOs because it didn't really want to find them or
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is it we were looking for UFOs, it's just the public and most of the government never saw.
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We've always been seeing these things with things like radar. So it's, you know, it's part of
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standard operating procedures to deny this and to not acknowledge it. So we've been seeing it,
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we're just pretending not to see it. Absolutely. Our public institutions like the FAA or similar,
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in the even local context, it's not allowed to be discussed and there might even be technical
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measures in the technology of this place that just prevents it from even popping up on a screen.
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Right. You know, like Tick-Tack. So that happened for two or three weeks. They could get a little
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glimpse of it on these systems, really sensitive, advanced Navy systems at the time, and then
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poof it, it fell off. At the USS Omaha, they had 12 or 14 of these things zipping in. You'd see
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them on the radar screen and then poof. If they didn't want to be seen, we weren't seeing them. I
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guess it could be that as part of an explanation. If they don't want to be detected on radar,
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they have ways to avoid radar, whoever they are. Yeah, that's a dangerous dynamic to have
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willful ignorance on our side and their capability to at least attempt to evade detection at any time
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on theirs. If we are so certain they are friendly, why is this a secret? I have one more. Yeah.
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Drones. So 60 minutes just did a big piece on drones. Langley Air Force Base had these things
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flying over it for 17 nights in a row, stayed in New Jersey for weeks at a time, sensitive bases,
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the restricted airspace at US, UK bases in Britain for days and days. We can't track these things
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coming in. We can't track them when they leave. We can't shoot them down. We don't know where they're
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from, but don't worry. They're just drones. They're foreign surveillance drones. Maybe you're
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take on that whole situation. Well, if you're a member of the public and you are still listening to
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CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, or reading New York Times or the Wall Street Journal, all of that is controlled.
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It's propaganda. It is shaping your life narrative intentionally so.
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As for the government reactions to that, I was very disappointed to see a continuation of the
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dismissal of these events by the Trump administration's press secretary. I can guess why they decided
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despite the campaign promise to immediately address that issue to not
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have to do with geopolitical situations we are currently involved in and the fact that we are
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living through a constitutional crisis related to this issue. Just seems to me that it is a worse thing
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to say. These might be foreign surveillance drones. And there's not a damn thing we can do about it.
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We know we can't track them. We can't see them. We can't shoot them down. Then it is to say,
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these are genuine unknowns. You know, it seems like they're unknowns. Not just something
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some drone that the Chinese are floating off of New Jersey.
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There's an infection in our security thinking, which is that you know, we must
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they're primacists. They must be on top to admit weakness is to admit defeat.
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And to say you don't know what something is, a pretty big signal of weakness. There's not
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much humility and a lot of arrogance driving. I think these responses more so than any
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strategy. You know, just want to defend footage. Real clear. I got three things. I want to defend
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footage. There's a lack of education about what people are seeing in thermal. So first of all,
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these are weapon systems. These aren't our max cameras. They say, but they're kind of better
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than an eye max camera because you can see in the fucking dark. So I think there's an education
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process. And we've been trying with our reporting to teach people when you see something in thermal,
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what you're seeing is a heat signature and that heat signature represents that shape and you know,
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of the heat. It's just a I think it's an education process. It has to come from curiosity,
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but people need to be told what they're seeing. It's new to a lot of people. It was new to me when
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I started seeing military videos for the first time. So in defense of grainy, bad footage, people just
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need to understand what they're seeing to understand the impact if they're curious enough.
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Question like be a lie. Like any country in this world could disclose at this point,
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major country with technological development could disclose we are not alone in the universe.
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There are others as visitors have been here a long time. Why? Why has everybody agreed to not
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say that to the public? Do you have any philosophies? Why? I think in the West, this is the reaction.
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That's an important distinction. I cannot comment so much on why Russia or China
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have not addressed this in a different way than us. But I think in the West and the Five I
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is Alliance and its subsidiaries. You know, there is a understanding at least that this is not
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talked about at official channels, especially if you're a small kid on the block. You don't speak
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out of turn. But it also points to I think the fact that this doesn't ultimately reside in the
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government anymore. This is held in an illegal internationalist regime, some sort of international
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cabal of sorts, mix of corporate military, political intelligence and criminal interests
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that have come together and they have subverted us and have taken this and have made it
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the source of their wealth and power. So I'd ask you, Dr. Edgar Mitchell told me in one of the
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last films before he died, he used very similar words. Well, that doesn't make a feel good.
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Yeah, well, he was sure of it. Your whistleblower, not a source to me in George, you know,
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your whistleblower. You know, I want to, we do want to help. I always hear whistleblowers are scared
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and we know some people, the same people, but there's a lot that have come to us that you don't know.
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Are you scared? Are you scared now coming forward? Are you scared?
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I mean, it comes in waves. Okay. So yes, but I make a conscious effort every day to not
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let fear ruin my life and my deeds. So yes, I'm scared, but this is the right thing. It's the
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necessary thing. And I was raised right. You think that by talking to us, it's possible that you
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might have some protection in that if somebody cuts your breaklines and you go off a cliff,
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at least there's going to be somebody looking into it and and raise some hell about it.
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You know, if that happens, don't try too hard. Focus on the mission. So this is more about people
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need to know than about your personal well-being. Any regrets now? I trusted too much and I did not
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trust myself enough. Took some, I paid some prices and I do not doubt that there are the seeds
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for future costs. I'll have to pay in the future. Describe for us the personal costs, the reality for
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you going forward. Your outlook for ever working for the government again, for example, or in it
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with any kind of a job that requires a security clearance, personal cost to your marriage,
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your personal light. Well, with the job with government, my career is dead. It has been dead for
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years now. I have a file on me. Even if I went back in, even if I chose to never do any of this
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and just keep working, I predict that I would have found my career stunted mysteriously as soon
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as it would have sought to or would have sought to advance into what I thought was a noble mission.
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Personally, it's hard to describe. You know, that I've been doing this for about four years now.
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Only very recently had I had anyone to talk to about it in outside of like, hey, can you make
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this meeting happen? I've had no allies. That has changed. It's been a very painful
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costly process to find allies, but I have them. There's more of us. This doesn't stop.
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Right. You've got to know some of these other whistleblowers who are still not public yet.
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Correct. So it's like who are at least close to coming forward. Yes. Is there strength in numbers
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that in that regard? Yes. And if all of us die or imprisoned, the seeds of implanted more will come.
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Well, those seeds have been planted about deaths in the whistleblower community.
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That those stories circulate. I would imagine pretty quickly among you and people you know.
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Yeah, but I'm still here. You think anybody has been killed because they knew too much on
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yes, something? Yes. I believe. And I think, and I could probably help someone else prove it.
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But lethal, lethal action has been taken against people that tried to get the truth out. Or maybe we're
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just a considered wild cards. I'm not able to be efficiently controlled, no longer useful.
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I think once you taste the darkness, like using it, they don't have to kill you. They get
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disarriding you some way. Oh, yeah. Manufacture something. They asked you to come forward and you
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even felt that you had a small piece to the puzzle and you weren't even sure if it was worth it.
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And then you do that. And what you suffer as a consequence is against your career.
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There's other things we're not saying that we suspect are related to you coming forward.
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God, that's got to hurt man. That's got to be painful. They've asked you to come forward. And you
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tried all the ways to do that. We had to go to a little bit of extreme measures to get the rest
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going. It's got to be painful. Yeah, it is. I don't think it will stop being. I'll have
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hopefully time is its own self. I'd like to spend that time with my wife, my family, about NSL
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or in the ground. But you know, this is bigger than me. It's bigger than us. This is the fate of
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our people. And to me, I'm willing to pay that price.
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Is it ironic? You have to put your face out with us to protect yourself at this point?
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That's what we're doing, right? Yeah. That's what we're doing. This is absolutely what I
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did not want to do. I know. I can attest to that. This is not this is exactly what you did not want to do.
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Correct. Have you gained it out in your head? What happens next? What will likely be assuming we go
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forward with this interview and make a public and that right now we don't know that that's the case.
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But when it comes out, if it comes out, what happens to you then? What are the risks?
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gaming it out, there's more than me. More will come. I could say more if I wanted to.
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Hopefully this rises to a level of public attention that demands it be addressed in a serious way.
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I can't cause that alone. Other people will, but more need to come. And I think at this point,
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I'd like to say directly to the members of our military and our intelligence community.
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The time is now where you us choose whether you honor your oath or your orders.
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And if you have courage, you already know the answer. But for the rest of you,
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leave, follow or get out of the way. Get out of the way.
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We know people are coming forward and we know we've recorded George and I with other people
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who will be coming forward. You know, so you're not alone.
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But you say you could say more. Just explain that.
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When I wrote this document, I've kind of given my state of mind and the measures I took to
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protect it. I'm also familiar with ways that information can be extracted that passwords and
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encryption don't matter. So I didn't write everything down. So there are other bullets left to
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fire if you needed to. Yeah. You know, talk about things getting lost in the shelf. I highly
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doubt many members of the public read 11 pages, much less the first. But at the end,
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there's an interesting area. People might notice that it's out of order too. Things are
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sequentially out of order. There's missing sections. And that one of that last sections says sensitive
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sources from mouth to ear. We talked about keeping that in or what to how far to go.
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Well, exactly what it says, those words were only spoken from my mouth to another's ear.
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What is it like to have absolute knowledge that not only UFOs are real, that we've been hiding
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that our government has controlled that information away from the base human population.
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And there is another intelligence that is engaging humanity straight up. What does that feel like
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being one of the people that knows that and doesn't suspect that?
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It's weird going to the supermarket. Even more it's bizarre to work in government and see
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legions of people who have no clue about about any of this and no clue that they are being deceived.
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Why should people believe you? I mean, I know I know you I know what we've been through,
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but that's not public stuff to everybody. Every step we've taken. Why should people believe what
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you're saying? I was there. I saw it. I spent years researching it. If all that I'm
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consulting is passage material, then we are engaged in a massive deception
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against our own military and intelligence community that I was a victim of
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and it would have been on a scale that probably would have been its own new story.
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I'm absolutely nonsensical madness. Yeah. So as a human being, why should people believe you?
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Well, as a human being, I feel like I'm genuine, putting myself out there,
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sacrificing my future in my past and a lot of what I have now to do this for no gain.
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Now you're getting nothing from us. We're just reporting because it's an important story.
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And you're telling it because it's true. Absolutely. It is true.
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And I can't think of anything more pressing for our nation to come to terms with than the fact
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that we have been deceived and our rights taken away to protect the privileges of an elite few.
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You're not I am not going to I am not going to live my life knowing that I could have helped
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prevent another generation of America and humanity from living in ignorance.
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So let's just separate, you know, for our audience and people kind of meeting you for the first
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then. So there's certain stuff you were exposed to an official capacity that you've come to
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conclusion on and that you know to be correct, know to be true. Then there are extrapolations and
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philosophies and ideas from other types of sourcing of information. And we can talk about that
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kind of in a separate realm and I value your opinion. I think people will too because of your
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exposure to certain things you're saying and not saying. Okay. But if we're talking just about
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our ideas now, you have thoughts about big picture stuff who they are. Is it more than one day?
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Is it us from the future? ETs, interdimensional? Do you think there's anybody in government who
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knows? And if you if they do know, is there any reason why this should say stay secret? At
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least some of it should stay secret. The public cannot handle. No. The only reason for secrecy
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is fear and greed and that is the paradigm that we must confront and overcome.
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As for the public and what their reaction might be to this information, good, bad,
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indifference, I think we already have our answer. It's going to be indifference.
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Unless the stakes are made clear. You're an absolutist. You're like rip the bandaid off.
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There's no bandaid. There's no wound. This is not about protecting, healing.
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This is about power and control. This isn't about
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trying to save what's good. Getting rid of was evil.
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Power and control means controlling the technology and what it would mean. Those are just means
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controlling humanity, everything. You suspect that there are reverse engineering programs
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that there have been crashes, that there are attempts to replicate that technology. You got
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hints of it in the ARV or RV that we're trying to build what these things can do. Do you think
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we've done it that we've accomplished it? Somebody? I think we've absolutely replicated some of these
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capabilities in inferior forms and oftentimes maybe disaggregated from what was at once a
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unitary system but we're only able to do a small part what that system does. We've seen people
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say they think that the Tick-Tock is something we had 21 years ago and I'm wondering,
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well where the hell is it? If we have this technology, we've done some of it to get even inferior
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versions of it. Is that something that's going to be incorporated into the US military arsenal
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or is it something that's outside of it? That's controlled by somebody who's not using it for
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national defense. I think the US military might be allowed to use some of this technology in the
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national defense but I don't think they ultimately have control over it. You know this is a kind of
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arms race. It's a technology race. Whoever gains the ability to effectively weaponize this,
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they win. We know that UFOs due to the propulsion systems are a matter of national security
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and weapons of mass destruction and we know that. We don't think that. We met with people that
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deal with that. Do you agree with that? Do you think that this is we are in a race with China and
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Russia? There's other countries competing to weaponize this and do you think that's a problem?
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Because you've dealt with weapons of mass destruction in your official career.
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I think deterrence, strategic deterrence has migrated out of, sorry, has evolved from being
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relying on nuclear weapons as the pinnacle. I believe we have and others have developed the means
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to maybe utilize nuclear reactions to create some very dangerous effects through directed energy.
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Your concern is directed energy weapon right?
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Mung Mini. But when it comes to WMDs and relations to this technology, I think we have been
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successful in both deriving new science that we have then suppressed to preserve a strategic
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advantage. I think I probably don't want to talk too much more about deterrence.
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Somebody was flying these things that crashed. Somebody built these things that are being
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reverse engineered. Who's that somebody? And why don't they come forward? You may not have seen
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that in a document or a file or something somewhere, but you've thought about it. You're a smart guy.
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What are your thoughts on the big picture questions? Who are they? Why are they here? Why don't they
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show us what's going on? I think I have a good degree of confidence that the reason they're here
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is us think life, especially sentient life, it's a precious thing.
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And I think to some who might be a resource, I think humanity to some level is a resource for them.
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And that the commodity?
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Possibly a commodity, possibly form of entertainment, possibly medical related.
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I think they live here? Yes. For all intensive purposes. Yes. Always.
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I don't know about always, but it certainly appears that they have been here for
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most of recorded history, at least some element of this has been here for most of human recorded
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history. You think we would see them if they didn't let us see them, even with our more advanced
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sensors that they pop up, but they can also disappear. And do they allow us to get these
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limpsons? Is that a game? Some sort of wonder? Or an education process?
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There's our one that I could not understand if it is a game. I think they're both just as powerful
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as we think, but also less. And I think there is, there is not a single they here, multiple,
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multiple certainly multiple factions of the same species, if not multiple species. And all the
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complexity that brings, which might be our best hope. Do they have an agenda? There's different
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types. You know, what are your philosophies on this? Like, who are the others? Why are they here?
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And you've touched upon it? I know we're kind of going back a little bit, but that is the big question.
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And I just want to separate. So people understand your exposure and your personal conclusions.
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So I have been exposed to know
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direct information on the anatomy, biology, intentions, culture, politics.
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Never came across those files. Never came across those. I think those are all some of the
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deepest secrets. Right. They would be if this is correct information.
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What I have learned is that we live in a dream. It carefully constructed reality. We
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make use of a science that is tightly controlled and suppressed and distorted.
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I think we are left behind humans. I think
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normies, the normal humans, the people have been left behind us. People need to
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understand that we might have freedom of speech, but that has been subverted.
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We do not have freedom of inquiry. We are blocked from learning what we need to know.
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Just in the public world, we are blocked from advancing in science. We are taught
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false science intentionally to prevent us from learning more.
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We live in the matrix. It's just much more boring than the movie.
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I think about whistleblowers. Like yourself, you're about to find out.
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Assuming we release this, you're about to find out what the price is for coming forward.
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And there are other people in the same kind of position who are wondering what they should do.
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Who are basically being held in limbo. They worked in class-bud programs their whole life.
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That's what they do. That's what pays their bills. And they're held in limbo and that's held
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over their heads so they don't come forward. And they're debating taking the same steps as you.
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There is no hope or help for anything like folks like that. Is there? I mean, we've heard promises.
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We'll help whistleblowers come forward. We'll give them support. They're private equity funds and
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organizations that say they're going to help. But we haven't seen shit so far, have we?
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And have you? No, I've reached out directly to institutions that claim that they are here to help
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UAP whistleblowers specifically, both in the process of coming forward and
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any sort of stability afterwards. It's been radio silence.
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At best, at worst, one of those institutions has stolen my information.
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There is no organized help for whistleblowers. It is all controlled. It is all at either the
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special interest of industry that wants to get in on this. Or by the existing powers that be
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intelligence agencies who have infiltrated or created these things. Correct.
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I have directly experienced that sadly over this last year, which is the vacuuming up of
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intelligence on people such as yourself who are trying to do the right thing as whistleblowers,
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as well as anything that reporters could possibly obtain and release. It is a treacherous moment
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in our history of this. You did a call to action in people. You told them this, it's time.
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You know, move forward. I know that you had some encouragement, but David Grush, I hope people are
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encouraged, you know, also by you. Look at it. If you were to die tomorrow because of whatever
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reason, what do you want people to know right now? Like what do you want people to know if you're
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just like fucking on? You are not free. And this reality has far more to it than you have been
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allowed to believe. And God is real.
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