Transcript: Deep Sea Alien Bases: The Underwater CIA Project No One Talks About | UAP Gerb

that that documentary on jonathan wagan i like i'd heard of him but i had never heard any of

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the backstory that you described oh it's interesting what was going on in what was it

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peru that happened yeah 1997 operation laser strike operation laser strike never heard of it

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so this was a classified u.s southcom u.s southern command operation to track narco traffic drug

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traffic in peru colombia bolivia all sorts of south american countries and the mac g the marine

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air control group 28 was sent down alongside some elements of the air force and a pretty large joint

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program including the cia to set up tps 43 and other radar systems to track some of these narco planes

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and so jonathan wagan's there's still debate on whether his station was in pucallpa peru which is

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kind of central peru aikitos peru which is northern peru because he wasn't privy to where he was taken

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for for this radar detachment to track the narco traffic i personally think this is northern peru

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because he just gave a lot of details about the flight time down to peru details about time spent

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on planes so one morning late march early april he is doing nighttime guard duty and a sergeant comes up

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to him i think this is sergeant montaligre and says hey there's been a crashed craft we need to go out and

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see if it's friendly nothing about ufos just a craft crash this could be a plane so wagant sergeant

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allen sergeant atkins and about seven other marines all drive in a direction to go find this

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downed aircraft by the time they reach the lz after a combination of driving and trekking

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the marines come across a ravine where a about a 20 meter in length egg-shaped craft is just stuck

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in a granite cliff face probably granite wagant doesn't fully know for sure what the material is

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but wedged in there there's fluid leaking out of the craft there's what looks to be three hatches one

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of them open with possibly a non-human arm hanging out of the craft and this liquid is like clear but

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it's viscous like syrup and the craft itself looks somewhat metallic but it's changing colors like

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purple and green the best i can describe that is the mother of pearl effect similar to oil on water

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so wagant gets pretty close to the craft it's it's way above him but he gets pretty close under it he

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gets the fluid all over himself and it's to this day like removed hair from his legs it discolored

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his camis or his battle dress uniform and so after about 10 to 15 minutes at the site and some interesting

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details about the craft is there was a light going around its circumference that seemed to power down

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almost seemed like the craft shut off including a a sound like a guitar amp that eventually died down

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uh wagant eventually kind of came to hearing montalier sorry hearing sergeants allen and

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adkins yelling at him to hey step away from the craft and during this time he felt like i know you

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and jesse talked about jake barber and some of the psionics and stuff right he felt like there was

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something in the craft reaching out to him trying to communicate with him trying to tell him that it

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was okay don't worry help us but it's all going to be okay which is really bizarre really strange

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and to this day he has seen like these creatures what he calls them in his dreams that were in the

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craft he he doesn't know how to explain how he felt like these things were contacting him but it's

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really strange but here's where when did he say this for the first time publicly 2000 the year 2000

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on stephen greer's uh disclosure project archive wow so he was part of the 2000 disclosure briefing

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project where greer was doing some really good work getting whistleblowers together and way gantt's

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testimony was in there and has really stood out forever he reached out to greer because he was

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facing a lot of reprisals and he thought he was going to die wow so there's some stuff he doesn't

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like talking about um and he didn't really talk about live with me but stuff like being surveilled

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having his money messed with having you know his cars tampered with and he was just really afraid for

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his life so he decided to speak out but so how long ago did you talk to him uh i talked to him

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almost daily but i you talked to him daily yeah he's one of my good friends i love jonathan

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he's a stand-up guy he's hilarious he's great uh so i i talk to him all the time but getting back to

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his story so sergeant allen and sergeant adkins holler at him to move away from the craft as soon

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as these marines start heading up heading up the ravine and this is the most interesting part to me

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because you know my channel's pretty focused around crash retrieval and reverse engineering

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a couple of u.s army ch-47 helicopters fly over them as these helicopters are getting to land at a

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nearby clearing the marines including wagant including allen including adkins are intercepted

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by a team of men in black camouflage and stop me if this sounds familiar when you hear cases like

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michael herrera a team of men in black camouflage that apprehend the marines strip them of their gear

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wagant being feisty being like 23 years old tries to swing at one of them

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clocks him in the head and these guys at that point make an example out of wagant push his face

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in the ground he gets more of the liquid on him beat the crap out of him and then out of the

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helicopters come a team of people ranging from rain jackets to large hazmat gear mop gear mission

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oriented protection posture marked and stamped with doe department of energy no shit and so a couple of

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these doe guys in protective gear see wagant they strip him of his clothes wagant is handcuffed to a

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stretcher his feet are gagged and he is put on a ch-47 out of there doesn't know what happened to

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adkin or allen's but here's what's what's really interesting about the doe

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the department of energy has its own team it's called the nuclear emergency support team and this is

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basically a rapid reaction team that can be sent anywhere in the continental united states or around

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the world to react to nuclear or radiological signatures and one of the governing bodies of

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nest the doe nest nuclear emergency support team is the 1954 atomic energy agreement 1954 if this

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sounds familiar to you are you familiar with the 2023 and 2024 national defense authorization act

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uh uap disclosure disclosure amendment i know i'm familiar with it but i don't i don't know a lot of

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the details okay so like a quick side note to that the uapda which is probably going to be

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pushed again in the upcoming senate conference i hope that gets pushed through but the whole point

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of this amendment was to bring forth disclosure of ufo legacy programs programs hidden within the u.s

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department of defense and intelligence communities that are housing exploiting or reverse engineering

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technologies of unknown origin tuos and one of the governing bodies listed in this legislation

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that hides some of these materials is the 1954 atomic energy act that considers ufo materials as

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trans classified foreign nuclear materials so inherently that that means like anything that

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could be considered nuclear radiological is pretty much born restricted born classified and can be

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pigeonholed to avoid standard declassification processes what's interesting about the doe nest

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is their founding authority was also the 1954 atomic energy agreement so you have legislation like the

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uapda talking about 54 being how the classification system for ufo materials is born and then you have

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stories like jonathan wegan encountering doe teams whose given authority is that same 54 agreement so it's

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very interesting also there's provable instances that doe nest was actually looking to operate in south

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america colombia bolivia peru at that time in 1997 there was a russian probe that went errant um it was

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going to crash us southcom thought this russian probe was going to crash uh either in the pacific or

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somewhere near peru and bolivia so doe was actively using defense support program satellites to monitor

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the region later that year so doe nest was already interested in in south america wow and there was a lot

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of spooky shit going on in south america in the 90s like there's a lot of there was a lot of uh ufo crash

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incidents yeah and there was uh a lot of i think that jacques filet book was earlier than the 90s

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though jacques filet wrote a book about like some crazy massacre that happened in south america

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um where like basically all these people were slaughtered have you heard of this

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it sounds somewhat familiar but i'm not fully i think jesse was the one who told me about it

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but um but yeah no south america and mexico that that period of time was like very active with

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this kind of stuff well because same year we have uh virginia brazil yeah james fox's big case right

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yep and i guess he's doing a lot more work on that he just talked to i think it was chris ramsey or

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somebody that he's got more information coming out about that so that'll be pretty darn interesting

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in 1978 in bolivia there was a case of a uh almost like a tic-tac like a cylindrical shaped object

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crashing into the mountains of bolivia a u.s air force team called moon dust project moon dust was

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dispatched to kind of investigate that region and i'm trying to think what else in mexico kind of

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like what you're talking about in 1974 in mexico there's a pretty famous kind of underrepresented

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crash retrieval case called coyame mexico northern mexico of a crash saucer that a mexican retrieval

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team went to go get but there was some sort of toxic or biological hazard in the craft that killed the

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entire mexican recovery team and then of course the americans and their ch-53 chinooks swooped in and took

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the craft however there's of course an argument you can make that probably maybe our guys the

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americans took them out but there's a south america and central america ton of crash retrieval stories

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right and a lot of marine crash retrieval stories you have jonathan wagant you have like the testimony

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of michael herrera and there are some other whistleblowers who aren't public who have talked

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about seeing such teams in the continental united states these black teams with craft so it's it's

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really interesting and then uh kind of rounding out the wagant story he was then on the on the 47

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taken to an unknown base into an underground section of a base where he was held for two days

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and why was he the only one that was taken out of there that's a great question my guess is because

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he was contaminated with the liquid oh atkins and allen did not get covered in the liquid but the weird

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thing is wagant didn't have any like medical tests right because i've hypothesized he was taken to

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the namru navy medical research unit six in aikitos peru but it's not like he was subjected to blood

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drawn all that stuff the one weird thing is he was forced to give in like an forced to take an anthrax

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booster right after that which michael herrera also had to take an anthrax booster after that and and

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and another yeah and another marine also had to take a vaccine booster in 97 which is weird that

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there's a lot of anthrax boosters right after crash retrieval encounters but i i think that's why he's

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separated so he doesn't know what happened to adkins or allen at this point but in in he still

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isn't talking to them since no he doesn't like him they don't like him oh wow part of what's a little

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weird about this case is one of those two adkins or allen i reached out to both one of them got back

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to me and i emailed them uh just cordially saying like hey i'd like to talk to you about your time in

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laser strike specifically 1997 and possibly anomalous crashed aircraft and i send emails out from

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my uap gerb email it doesn't have my information right none of that so i email one of them and they

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respond hello my full name which is of course like a bully intimidation tactic and the guy just tried

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to call jonathan crazy try to downplay him but you know he did say my full name when i had never given

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out my information before to him nor since nor on my channel has jonathan did he tell you about like

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ever being like contacted by anyone from the government or intimidated and tried to like

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the fbi would show up at his house and show up at his grandma's house like looking to talk to him he never

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talked to him but so he was pretty spooked sort of like the the men in black right if you would

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call him the men in black telling people not to talk about their encounters right and these uh these

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these nest teams so these nest teams are part of the department of energy and it's basically like they

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they comp they they bring in all of the like top tier special operators not quite and i'm sorry i should

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have specified that more it's more of a science and technology team okay they just deal with the

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science they deal with setting up a site neutralizing signatures debriefing containment all that

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stuff but the interesting thing about nest is of course it is a doe department but it operates out

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of contractors contractors including raytheon uh lawrence livermore national labs sandia national labs

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and egn g egn g of course is the infamous company bob lazar said hired him to work at area 51 s4 to

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reverse engineer propulsion devices on the sports model yeah i know you cover it deeply in your video but

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like after they extracted him out does he or does anyone else have any idea what happened to that

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craft or what they could have done no and that jonathan and i talked about that i mean that thing was

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pretty large and if it was stuck in granite how the heck was that thing taken out right like there

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were ch-47s on the ground the team would have had to extract this thing from a granite cliff face

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almost and and how does a does something get lodged in granite you would think that like it would have

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that would mean it's harder than granite right if it went through the granite what kind of material

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is harder than granite i don't some sort of meta meta material maybe like a shield around it maybe

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that translucent mother of pearl effect was some sort of shield like material and why did it crash i

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know you and jesse talked a little bit about why ufos crash jonathan hypothesizes that this was

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shot down from a hawk mim 23 or similar missile system and i know you know how our highly advanced

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non-human craft shot down right it seems a little bit silly a ballistic missile could take down a

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spacecraft like that yeah you know maybe maybe there's some some truth to that there's some other

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cases we can talk about about shoot downs as well as the strategic defense initiative under reagan which

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there's a lot of really interesting ties that there were some backdoor programs for some space-based

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shoot down weapons of ufos but what wagan thinks here is this was a hawk mim 23 airburst system that

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just exploded near the target and some of the fragging just took it out oh like a shotgun blast yeah but

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that's what he thinks right he doesn't have any sort of uh confirming evidence for that it's just

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speculation on his part yeah and then when he so he claimed in 2000 that he they were like

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telepathically communicating yeah that's wild but what's interesting too he talks about it he talked

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about like a three four-fingered arm hanging out the crowd yeah greer edited that out of of his of

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wagan's interview why do you think that is i have no idea because greer likes to speak about

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uh kind of love and light communication and these beings were very friendly to jonathan asking for

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help saying everything's gonna be okay so i don't know in that same interview greer also cut out um

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james fox asking jonathan questions now why was that i don't know i don't know why greer would cut it out

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but you know maybe he didn't want to maybe he thought like the descriptions of fingers and like some weird

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alien arm hanging out would make it more unbelievable and he wanted to kind of like leave the stuff in there

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that was more plausible yeah but with the stories of crash retrieval there's always the baggage of

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biologics right some there's oh and so many cases with crash retrievals there's stories of biologics

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and i think that for a lot of people is a big um big stretch to kind of wrap their head around because

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it's one thing to think that non-human spacecraft maybe from another planet maybe from a different

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existence maybe future humans like dr mike masters likes to kind of hypothesize on this crashing here

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whole nother subject to think that there are beans in here and what those could be either possible

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morphologies and so forth yeah i'm sure you've heard uh i'm sure you've heard the story of annie

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jacobson's description of area 51 oh yeah she talked to from from eg and g what do you make of that

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so george knapp uh i'm trying to think about that guy's name it's slipping me right now she only released

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it like last year i think after she dropped her book she she kept it secret in the book right but she

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released his name because i think he's dead now yes so i'm trying to think and uh i'm trying to think

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what the name is but this was a source of george knapp's 10 20 years before that the guy who worked

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at eg and g at area 51 head of special projects okay this guy told george nap george told george

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nap and you can look at it in a weaponized interview with him and jeremy corbell i'll send you the link

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i remember seeing this he said that that director of special programs at eg and g told george nap

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that there were beans and craft held at area 51 and told annie jacobson something completely different

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why would he do that

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that's strange isn't that interesting because annie's description is very

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it's so detailed because she's with the family and him and apparently he told his family this for

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the first time and they were like really upset about it like how do you make that i mean

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yeah i don't know i don't know what to think about that especially because in that weaponized

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interview george nap was a little bit hot under the collar because he said like hey i i'm i gosh

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i'm trying to remember this guy's name steve maybe you could find it he he says that this eg and g

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and just type in annie jacobson eg and g source

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yeah basically what what basically what this guy told annie and this was way after he talked to george

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nap obviously or was it because yeah it was like 10 years after it was 10 years after okay

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basically what he told annie is that it was a russian drone that was flown here uh for by

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disfigured people right by disfigured people by mengele the the nazi guy disfigured children

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basically to make them look like aliens and they crashed it crashed whether on purpose or not and uh

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and he was like well why wouldn't you expose o'donald that's it alfred o'donald

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so she asked him she goes well that's up why wouldn't why would the u.s government keep this secret

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because this makes the soviets or russia look terrible and he said the reason they didn't

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expose it is because eg and g started doing the same exact thing with children see that's that's

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interesting that that said because and she said his whole family was there yeah listening to this

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and they were like why did you keep this from us that's just terrible that's also something that was

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parroted by rick doughty uh air force said the same thing osi officer yeah and in greer's i think it

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was his 2017 documentary unacknowledged that was the first time i ever heard of roswell specifically

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being like disfigured people sent from russia which i don't know it's interesting that alfred o'donald on

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one hand told george knapp that there are non-human beings and craft under area 51 and told annie

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jacobson that this was a russian experiment regardless of outside annie jacobson and george knapp

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there's plenty about area 51 specifically and of course egng that's well worth investigation

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and as well as that kind of dives into the subject of of contractors with ufo technology ufo materials

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ufo bodies it's a it's a pretty deep rabbit hole that there's a lot to outside of just albert o'donald

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because that's so weird he tells knapp one thing and and jacobson another yeah it is weird and it

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makes me it makes me wonder if if what he told annie was more closer to the truth because he was older a

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lot older closer to his death and his family was there and he told his family and they were visibly

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upset according to annie unless annie's making it up which i doubt she i doubt she is either

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annie seems pretty respectful i know she disagrees a lot with some of the more ufo stuff but doesn't

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she also she also is a proprietor that area 51 s4 is is real right yes like i think she's put forward a

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badge of somebody who worked at site four oh i don't know about that i don't know about that and of

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course site four is what bob lazar said he worked on the sports model for s4 s4 is really interesting

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it's like the auxiliary site below groom lake it's just south of room lake area 51 and then you have

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tonapa just northwest yeah yeah the s4 stuff is crazy man i i don't know uh i don't think i don't

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remember if she talked about s4 in the uh in the area 51 book or not but it's really interesting some

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of the stuff that were they were doing at area 51 right after world war ii and you know she explains

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how the money was stolen i think it was dullest stole a bunch of money from the reconstruction in

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europe fund to build area 51 and they were doing all kinds of crazy cia test flights and building you

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know building the um those uh those those blackbirds yeah those and the and the u2 and all that stuff

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there um but i don't know i don't know like do you think that area 51 is still being utilized for this

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kind of stuff probably and i also think that there's probably underground facilities beneath

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area 51 specifically maybe a facility built into the pre-existing boron mine there

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and that could be considered a deep underground military base so i made a video on there was this

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whistleblower who went really quiet he was a lieutenant colonel at edwards air force base out

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of the 412th test wing the edwards 412th test wing is what's called a major range test facility

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base and mrtfbs an mrtfb there's just over 20 in the continental united states these include things

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like dugway proving ground the utah test and training range um fort huachuca edwards 412th china lake

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pax river and your favorite that you talked about with dolan outec the atlantic undersea test and

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evaluation command right these operate between navy air force army and defense organization right so

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edwards 412th is a mrtfb and this individual i call him ed just because i don't want to burn his real

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name ed claims that he worked as an electronics warfare test director at edwards air force base at

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the 412th testing reverse engineered vehicles reverse engineered arv alien reproduction vehicles whatever you

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want to call him and that he was initially stationed at nellis air force base where he operated under

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nellis between edwards at area 51 and s4 and the thing is this i hope this guy goes public sometime

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because i've tried to track him down with every avenue i have his name i have his number i have

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called him he's blocked me i've emailed him he's blocked me i've texted him he's blocked me heck i've

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even added him on snapchat and funny enough that's the one place where he's ever like read my message and

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not blocked me snapchat this is a grown man and his his his official records do of course say he was at

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area 51 that he was at nellis air force base that he was at edwards and so this guy claims that he

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worked on revert serving as the test director on reverse engineered vehicles kind of operating as the

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middleman between scientists and arv pilots and so i think that that existing program which he said

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existed between area 51 s4 and edwards is likely still going on today but of course that's a that's a

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pretty that's a topic that requires a lot of kind of i guess credibility in ufo crash retrievals to

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think about arv alien reproduction vehicles and kind of reverse engineering vehicles where what do you

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think about that i know you've talked to jesse a little bit kind of on your stance about ufo where do

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you where do you stand specifically on copycat vehicles if so to speak i don't know i have no idea

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like you're saying you're saying like what do i think about us being able to recreate a ufo yeah like

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the tic tac type stuff tic tac uh triangles saucers i don't know i think i i think it's a mix of

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probably right i think like the tic tac was likely something that we have that we created you know maybe

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some black aerospace or like lockheed or something like that some sort of like black technology that

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nobody knows about maybe that's part of the 21 trillion dollars it's missing that catherine was

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talking about that could have created the tic tacs or something like that um i don't think it was like

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foreign military i think it was probably us testing our own stuff on those jets that had just gotten

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their radar upgraded um now you know what dolan was explaining to me is that there's documented uh

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uh accounts of these underwater ufos coming out of the ocean in like 1717 which is crazy and and and

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since talking to him it's you know it's apparent that there's just a mixed bag of here like is it

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something that's been here for for millions of years that lives under the water um is it it's

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probably also us we've probably recreated that we found um you know then additionally what me and

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jesse were talking about is like he was explaining how all this anti-gravity research went dark in the

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50s yeah and just and just went nowhere and then string theory came about so like that probably has

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something to do with it the towns and brown stuff you know there's there's so many pieces of this puzzle

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it's crazy well i know you and uh dolan were talking about the subject of uso and i know you guys

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brought up the underwater nro yeah you didn't dive too much into it so that's something we i'd love to

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talk about because it's so intriguing yeah and also involves a pretty interesting two really

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interesting crash retrieval stories so how come i've never heard of the underwater is it classified

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or is it oh yeah hey guys if you're not already subscribed please hammer the subscribe button below

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and hit the like button on the video back to the show so it's not there's no website for the underwater

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nro no there's because you would think they could make an excuse for it they could say oh yeah we're

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just trying to monitor nuclear submarines you know adversary submarines so there is a wikipedia page

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that's crap that calls it the hidden younger brother of the nro so in u.s intelligence you

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have the big five agencies the cia nsa dia nro and nga and there's the hidden neuro the national

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underwater reconnaissance office whose activities are seemingly more sensitive than even the nro's

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there are admirals in the navy that i have spoken to who did not know that neuro was a thing really and

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so i sent them a little bit of stuff on neuro and they went oh so there's a couple there's a couple

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books uh such as the uh the intelligence community by jeffrey t richelson great book i

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really recommend everybody read that and some other sources that can really dive in to learn a bit

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more about neuro as well as former admiral director of naval intelligence cia deputy director

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nsa director bobby ray inman bobby ray inman in a i think it was 2018 finally admitted in a speech

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at some university in 2018 that he directed neuro but he still couldn't talk about it to this day

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which is interesting he said when he became director of naval intelligence he wore another hat that was

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neuro but they still didn't want him to talk about it and in another interview for a university i think

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this was some california university he said that he had gotten trouble before for talking about neuro

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so neuro was started in 1969 and it was started to kind of coordinate the navies and the cia's

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reconnaissance activities similar to the how the nro was started to coordinate the air forces and the

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cia's activities right and so part of the the founding programs for neuro were to kind of coordinate

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operations keep track of and uh commence missions with some of our sensitive nuclear submarines

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kind of tap undersea cables i think this was called the ivy bells program and as well as just

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underwater reconnaissance underwater monitoring the neuro was supposed to exist between the navy and

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cia's directorate of science and technology now that directorate of science and technology we can talk

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a lot more about that because that it has some tremendous connections to ufo crash retrievals

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but really early on the cia just kind of took command of neuro and it wasn't until 1972 three years after its

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creation that john warner secretary of the navy was finally put as neuro's director but then it

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changed hands back a little bit because in 74 bobby ray inman became director of neuro and of course he

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went on to be a cia spook so neuro's kind of claim to fame is using vessels like the uss halibut

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uss sea wolf um the uss jimmy carter the nr1 the united states smallest nuclear submarine and the glomar explorer

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have you heard of the glomar explorer yeah yeah so so k129 soviet sub crashes near hawaii a little bit northwest

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the cia and neuro create the glow mark explorer to go retrieve the vessel and i think it embarks in uh 1972

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right and conventional wisdom only a third of the k129 is retrieved uh maybe more probably more and it

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might be buried up in the pacific northwest but um then the glomar went on to be used by lockheed martin

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and its subsidiaries for 20 years for quote-unquote deep sea mining operations and such so the the really

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really really interesting kind of connections with neuro come with uh chief scientist of special

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projects for the navy john p craven and so in 1964 john p craven was set to start the deep systems or

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deep submergent systems project the dssp and i'm sorry there's a ton of acronyms i'll try to spell

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them all out that's something i get flack for a lot and this was to drastically increase the navy's

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deep ocean engineering capabilities and so the dssp gave craven the task we need you to be able to

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commence engineering and navy operations at way bigger depths so 1964 craven starts the dssp in 1965

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craven receives a classified briefing of something called project sand dollar sand dollar is oh yeah

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the earliest probably sap within sap within sap we can kind of make sense of it was a program that was

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hidden within a program hidden within another program hidden within the polaris summer polaris

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submarine missile program which was oddly enough spearheaded by admiral rayborn who went on to go

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work at saic but we can talk about that later but this program was highly classified in an itemized

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inventory of a collection of objects on the sea floor for national security importance uh ranging from

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the atlantic just all around the world and it wasn't just aircraft or nuclear stuff so commencing after

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that briefing in 1965 on sand dollar craven under the dssp the deep system submergence projects creates

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the dsrv deep submergence rescue vehicle and dssv deep submergence search vehicle and these are supposed to

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be vehicles that kind of can satisfy the dssp so the dsrv the deep submergence rescue vehicle is supposed to be

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basically a submarine rescue vehicle uh this was out of response to the loss of the uss thresher

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and this would be something that a submarine team can get in a small little submarine that can be

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transported anywhere around the world at 72 hours wow it's that rapid reaction it can be piggybacked on

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on a vessel specifically craven says in the silent war his memoirs the uss halibut and the uss sea wolf

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two neuro vessels that he directly names to rescue any submarine crew anywhere in the world

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la-di-la-di-da and the dssv which is used for ocean surveying uh ocean engineering retrieval operations

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and so forth uh there were supposed to be six dsrv and six dssv the two submersible units built

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but only two dsrvs were ever built the mystic and avalon out of lockheed martin so there were only two

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of those ever built however that brings me to a um a really interesting crash retrieval story

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so in you know our the art bell show right yes so in 2002 i think it was about summer of 2002

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a a caller came on air and said hello my name is mark i was a former marine diver that went on to go work

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on a dsrv crew and so this guy tells the story of in 1991 or 1992 as i'm getting the dates a little

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bit wrong there was a survey ship in the north atlantic about 250 miles outside of aberdeen

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scotland that picked up radiological signatures on the sea floor and that the dsrv was dispatched to go

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check this thing out and so the the group is steamed out to the north atlantic i think this is in the

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rockwell rock all trough in the north atlantic just northwest of aberdeen scotland because i looked at

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like depths and this guy said this was about a mile and a half deep yeah did and so the team dives so

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so where specifically would it be the rock all trough the rock all trough yes rock all pull up a map of

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that if you can see you so the team dives in the dsrv which could also be a dssv a deep system search

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vehicle one of the two because craven said that john p craven remember chief scientist of special

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projects out of the navy that although there were never official missions for dsrv or dssv because

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no submarines ever sunk after the thresher these were sent on numerous clandestine operations wow if

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it might be a google earth search might be a little bit better well you had it but then you lost it

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there you go rock rock all yeah hit layers on the bottom left

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zoom in on that oh look at that yeah so this was about a mile and a half deep so we need over

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8 000 feet uh sea sea floor wow

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and so mark and his group are steamed out from virginia my guess is this is a really clandestine dssv because the

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dssv have operational depths of 20 000 feet but were apparently never built but used according to

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craven for clandestine purposes to this region the team dives by the time they get to the seafloor they

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see a large triangle wedged in the seafloor the triangle has no cockpit no visible means of propulsion

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it's wedged in the seafloor and around its circumference has glyphic writing same thing as the 1965 kexburg

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pennsylvania crash same thing as the roswell i-beam same thing as what danny sheehan has said he found

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in the classified blue book files and so there's a really anomalous triangle down here that there's

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no visible means of propulsion nothing they can see so the team goes back up informs the the steamship

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what they saw a marine archaeologist is brought down they go take photos videos and survey the vessel

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the marine archaeologist estimates that that triangle had been buried within the the the kind of the

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seafloor for 30 or 40 years and so eventually the team is tasked with rigging uh materials to the

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craft to try to bring it up and because the size is about 70 feet in height the team estimates this is

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about the weight of an f-14 right and an f-14 is interesting because the nr1 had previously recovered

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a lost uh f-14 off a u.s aircraft carrier but so the the object is rigged up uh you know the crew makes

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estimates based off the the size what metal might be you know involved brushed aluminum and so forth

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but this object rises about three or four times faster once buoyancy is attached to it and it's

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kind of brought up to the ocean surface the craft is eventually rigged up mark once the dsrv crew is

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back on board gets to see the craft again this time in person about 70 feet long a little bit rounded of

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a back like a perfect triangle glyphic writing along the side like gun metal color no visible means

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propulsion no lights and eventually he and his crew are steamed off ship never given another word

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about this not sold to sign any ndas or anything which is kind of interesting but apparently the

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work they did was inherently classified because the dsrv and the dssv was used for classified operations

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under neuro that's wild it's a yeah it's a really interesting story and it just went on art bell once

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and i'm trying to track this down because mark uh drew sketches of this for art bell and he also

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provided art bell the names of the other navy guys he was with so i want to track these guys down and

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find out more about this story have you tried reaching out yeah i know a guy who used to work

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for art bell and i'm trying no luck because art bell has passed but gosh would that be would that be

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something to to get after yeah i wonder how many more stories there are like that of retrieving stuff

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under the oceans you know because you don't really hear about that kind of stuff no there's 1967 shag harbor

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of course which occurred in canada but here's a real treat in 1972 there was an encounter of a

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man who worked as a gunnery instructor at great lakes naval station near chicago this guy i think

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he went by the pseudonym rk related his story to leonard stringfield leonard stringfield is one of

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the greatest ufo crash retrieval investigators of all time wrote status reports one through seven on ufo crash

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retrievals rk claimed that in 72 at the great lakes naval station in chicago he was tasked to kind of

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deliver orders deliver a message to you know a commanding officer so as he goes to deliver to

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the commanding office officer he passes into a quonset style hunt hut on the premises and in there is a

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large metallic teardrop shaped craft no visible means of propulsion looks like a teardrop looks like a

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perfect mix between a teardrop and an egg very smooth one color and so forth but here's what's

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interesting he he then meets a guy that was stationed in san diego in the navy and this navy

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guy said that he knew about that craft that was brought down and that it was brought down by a

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naval destroyer and recovered by the glomar explorer north of hawaii in 1972 wow i think we've explored

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more the moon than we have of our own ocean floors it's crazy and if you look at we were talking about

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this with richard dolan too like you can literally turn the globe if you look at the pacific ocean you

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can see there's a there's a no land yeah it covers a more huge it's like a massive amount of this earth

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is ocean so what's interesting about the the creation of neuro the deep submergent systems project and all

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this in 1964 it seems like sand dollar had existed previously with an itemized inventory of everything

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that existed on the sea floor of national security interest but until craven created the the dss

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following sand dollar and then neural was created there was no way the navy could retrieve these

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items so it seemed like the us navy had a large itemized inventory of all of these objects on the

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sea floor but until craven drastically increased the depths at which the navy could conduct engineering

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operations and retrieval operations those just sat there now what do you know about the that base in

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the bahamas that mean that jesse was talking about oh out tech out tech yeah is that still is that thing

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still operational are they still doing work there i i'm not sure actually but that brings up the the

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point of like underwater bases right yeah there's a uh there's a great author his name's richard

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solder he has a book called underground and undersea bases where he talks about possible undersea bases

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worldwide which is really interesting and of course there's it's it's very likely that there are like

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undersea neuro bases for submarine refueling and such but oh that i mean the concept of undersea

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bases is interesting because already underground bases is is incredibly interesting right the

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question about undersea bases is how do you power them the logistics sound like a nightmare yeah at

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least for it seems like optimal though right yeah for cooling especially if you have some sort of

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high temperature reactor i mean right in the 1960s the u.s army corps of engineer published a bunch

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of deep basing studies on where to place deep underground military bases throughout the continental united

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states but also published a ton of papers such as like uh self-contained nuclear reactors to power

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stiffs subterranean facilities and so forth wow yeah that's one of the things that katherine was saying

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that a lot of the missing money she thinks has been going to funding these constructions of these

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underground bases yeah that's i think one of the most interesting topics in this subject because you

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know i've done a project on directly relating those to ufo programs and craft and materials being stored

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underground and i have a friend who was former army public affairs this was about 2010 to 2013 area

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and he relayed to me that he traveled between a stiff a subterranean facility as they call them

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under fort bliss texas and white sands to missile range and he traveled between these locations via train

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and he said that the train went so fast it reminded him of his fear of flying

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oh my god because a lot of people will look at the kind of underground bases systems and connective

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tunnels and scoff at a little bit because it's a logistic and engineering nightmare right

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but you know i digress back in the 1970s the rand corporation which is known as a federally funded

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research and development center ffrdc one of the employees high up scientists of the rand corporation

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published something called the vhst the very high speed transit system which was a massive underground

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train system that would connect new york to los angeles and basically be a massive underground

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tunnel system and of course if these tunnel systems exist i i think it's highly likely we

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got some of that technology and ideas from the nazis yeah um you know before before the end of world

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war ii there was uh there was a system called the roar bond by some german scientists which was a

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pneumatic train system to exist under germany and to connect berlin to france or paris and a network of

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underground train systems to go at incredible speeds this was a concept yeah but here's what's

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not a concept that's really interesting so xavier dorsch was head of the tot organization in nazi

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germany the tot organization had created the autobahn you know that famous german highway with endless

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speeds and at this time uh hans kammler and various uh really nasty nazi scientists were using

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underground locations for aircraft manufacturing and so forth for contractors but as well as continuity

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of government sites such as the regan worm logger in poland and ordroff which are these really really

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crazy advanced underground locations that i think it was ordroff even had like its own underground rail

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system connecting it it was self-contained and so xavier dorsch was one of these swizz kid engineers

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for the tot organization which is similar to the u.s army corps of engineers in 1947 with operation

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paperclip where the u.s brought over a bunch of nazi scientists there was one report from air material

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command that requested xavier dorsch specifically as well as three other german nazi technicians for

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underground plant construction so i think immediately after post-world war ii is when underground or

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facilities or stiffs immediately began began construction because we plucked some of the nazis

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best and brightest who had created such intricate structures under germany to to come work for us yeah and

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if that stuff does exist if they are spending money on all this crazy stuff and you know they have all these

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secret programs to recover crafts and to build underground highways and and bunkers

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that would explain where a lot of that money is going that katherine fitz was talking about those

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trillions of dollars not cheap right no it's definitely not cheap and you know the other

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question is who who's in charge of it yeah who has control over all of it you know analyzing the

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structure of the supposed ufo legacy programs is so difficult to track right you know if there are

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programs which of course i i believe very strongly there are that there are dod contractor ffrdc uarc

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university affiliated research center programs that deal with the exploitation recovery and reverse

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engineering of non-human technologies how are these programs structured uh what sort of communication is

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done across the programs how are the intelligence communities involved and at the top of this who is

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who is pulling the strings because it's not like this is a above board air force project above board navy

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project not like a cia project all of this is inherently born within saps and usaps unacknowledged

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special opera special access programs sorry which congress and even the executive branch to a certain

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degree doesn't need to be read in you have to have a need to know to access these things right yeah that's

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what stephen greer was explaining to me he was like he was explaining to me how like these tops top joint

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chiefs of staff people can't even get access to some of this stuff and that's it and the way he was

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describing it to me is like imagine if lockheed or one of these companies like this got so much

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technology that advanced so much after getting all this black budget that they've basically gone off

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the rails so far to where they have more power than like every foreign and domestic military combined to

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where they're kind of like a like a breakaway military superpower that like doesn't have to

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answer to anybody if like katherine austin fitz says if there is a some sort of segment existing

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within the u.s military intelligence that has a secret space program they are have the asymmetric

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advantage in every single warfighter capability if somebody has arv alien reproduction vehicles which i

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believe they do of course they have a tremendous amount of advantages over any traditional human

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military i mean this is something david grush has talked about as well in his news nation just

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hard to interrupt did you see elon's tweet today no what did he tweet it might have been today or

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yesterday but it was steven you could probably pull it up to account i'm gonna i got it i might get

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it wrong but he said something to the effect of like when hits the fan at least we have the spaceships

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or something like this yeah but what's elon on about right he was on joe rogan and he's told joe

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rogan he knows there's no aliens because he has an all-access pass to dod programs that's nonsense

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an all-access pass to special access program unacknowledged special access program excluded

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program material no foreign classification special access required classification absolute nonsense you

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have to have a need to know to read into these programs what you're talking about with greer and

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some of these joint chiefs not being accessed he's talking about thomas wilson from the wilson davis memo

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who was deputy director of the dia at the time i believe um and he tried to gain access to some

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of these programs and was stonewalled by the special access program oversight committee senior review group

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so elon would definitely not have access no unless he has a specific need to know for specific programs

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like let's say that some of his uh starlink satellites are interfering with the nro's ai sentient program

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right that you know there's some foyer documents in 2023 show that the nro sentient program had

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monitored tic tacs over redacted locations then elon might be tangentially briefed on some aspects of

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that program but no unless he has a need to know um there will be no no read into those programs that's

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just that's just nonsense yeah i mean he's launching all those freaking rockets and satellites into space

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you would imagine that he's got some sort of peripheral knowledge of something even if he does

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even if he hasn't been read in right like he's surrounded by these people and he's surrounded

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by that guy tim who was in the book who you know who's like super esoteric and all this stuff and

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super into all this stuff visited chris bledsoe and all these people and if that guy's working for

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him and talking to him like how is it possible that he's not has serious conversations about it

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whether it be like a full uh read in or not you know i'd wager it's probably high probability he's

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read in on a ufo reality right i mean um it seems like like here's the thing it's very suspicious

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that he just writes it off yeah and dismisses it yeah or jokes about it saying oh i'm an alien

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something like that yeah uh our good mutual friend jesse michaels was just on joe rogan and they

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joe and jesse both said no i i think elon's bsing a little bit about that because it's the world of

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special access program controlled access program special access required use apps and that stuff gets

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into some real real real strict access i mean the wilson davis memo is a perfect example this talks

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this recounts a conversation between um admiral thomas wilson and eric davis in 2002 in the parking

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lot of egng in nevada and this harkens back to 1997 where uh stephen greer uh brigadier general

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stephen lovekin commander will miller of the u.s navy and astronaut edgar mitchell engaged in briefings

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with admiral thomas wilson which actually did happen like this even wilson agrees that this

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happened even though he disputes the memo that they briefed wilson into the reality of ufo special

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access programs and wilson went uh according to the documents according to the wilson davis memo

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wilson went on a big hunt to try to find these special access programs that were working on ufos

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and what he found was that these programs were gate kept by the special access program oversight

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committee senior review group and this was set up in 1993 1994 after a near audit almost exposed

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some of these programs but what's really interesting about that is one of the contractors that i i think

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are up to their eyeballs in ufo legacy program operations is north of grumman creator of the b2

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creator of the b21 spirit bomber they in 2003 absorbed a company called trw trw are the great richard

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dolan theorizes trw is the contractor behind zodiac which was possibly a romana clay a fictional story

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posted by pseudonym sedge masters about a ufo crash retrieval team uh trw also bought up um bdm

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bdm is of course a company that u.s army general of inscom albert stubblebine who's really interesting

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as well yeah i want to ask you about him to go work for uh in 1985 but trw in 1993 or 1994 right

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around the time sapoc was reorganized to structure the senior review group to gatekeep legacy programs

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was sued for a hundred owed the u.s government 111 million dollars for or overcharging on space programs

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and so one can't help but to think that this there might be connections here because northup grumman

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purchases uh trw in 2002 2003 and immediately pays off that lawsuit for them which is really interesting

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and also there's some general accounting office documents in 1993 that talk about the navy and

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the air force specifically not complying with sap regulations they talk about the army complying with

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sap regulations and that's really interesting because uh as as far as i know from just people

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i've talked to and in conversations i've had the the army participates in a lot of research development

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tests and evaluation of non-human technology but does it in a very streamlined fashion with contracts

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with generals overseeing it and so forth hmm and it's not super classified you're saying

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no it's very classified but it has probably more oversight than something like neuro

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uh something like air force something like ed if he's really testing reverse engineer triangles so

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out there at uh at edwards air force base right right yeah another thing we we i think we glossed

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over in the beginning which i just remembered was during jonathan when jonathan was uh sent out to go

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see that crash that craft in peru wasn't there reports of something flying in and out of the atmosphere

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like at super high speeds yeah yeah yeah yeah and that's really interesting because jonathan said he

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heard uh air force personnel talking about craft entering and exiting earth's atmosphere at like mach 10

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plus yeah but that's also there's really intriguing connections there because we also talked about the

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dsp the defense support program working with nest later in 1997 to monitor russian space debris over

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south america and peru well you know you remember wiki leaks right yeah so in wiki leaks there was

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hillary clinton campaign manager bob or john podesta oh yeah and john podesta had email exchanges with

[0:51:57 - 0:52:02] ▶

former dod contractor bob fish yes and in these contractors bob fish is talking about how the dsp was

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one of the high profile programs that track ufos and there's old old stories i think this is in the 80s of

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dsp satellites monitoring ufos that pass within a mile and a half at 22 000 miles per hour of the

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satellite so were these usaf personnel working with the dsp and were they specifically tracking ufos was

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there some part of laser strike that knew there was ufo activity in tracking this stuff i mean 22 000

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miles per hour is absolutely bananas yeah especially in the in like the 90s yeah and especially

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making in what seems to be intelligent maneuvers because this who knows if that's the case but

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all wagant knows is that he was he and the other grunts were just kind of set off set out to uncover

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what seemed to be a crashed friendly or foreign aircraft right and it wasn't a secret mission it was

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just hey go secure this lz something on our radar crashed go see what it was it wasn't a ufo mission it

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wasn't a secret thing the i think the biggest question of that whole operation is who were

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these guys in in black camis and black fatigues that held jonathan at gunpoint are these crash

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retrieval operators are they like a rapid reaction unit because if you look at a couple years from

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a couple years from jonathan's encounter in 1997 the cia director of science and technology deputy

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director carl wolf began what's called the cia's office of global access the office of global access

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has been accused by myself by great reporters like chris sharp christopher sharp at the liberation

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times who's incredibly brilliant of running foreign crash retrieval programs and working with jsoc joint

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special operations command so one must ask was this an element of jsoc retrieval teams of course

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before he went public jake barber under a pseudonym wrote the sentinels of ether little manuscript where he

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talked about kind of blue on blue retrieval team action and a jsoc unit firing upon u.s forces that

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were interested in you know craft retrieval and working in ufo programs so what are these special

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operators it's it's it's a really interesting question because there's tons of testimony of

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dedicated rapid reaction units or are these local special forces guy like i hypothesized in the jonathan

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video of local seven u.s army seven special forces green berets just plugged in said hey you got to go

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recover this these guys are are pretty severe you know pretty highly trained guys so are they just

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pulled in on happenstance or are these dedicated teams brought in the j what was the guy's name

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again um jonathan no no the other guy this guy who went on jesse he talked about the psionic stuff oh

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jake barbara jake barber yeah the jake barber stuff was apparently corroborated with the michael herrera

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stuff because he like he was is it true that like he was going in to try to like uh red team red whatever

[0:54:44 - 0:54:52] ▶

fucking red team i hate that word um he was basically trying to like catch these whistleblowers

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and like prosecute him for like leaking classified information and then he saw michael herrera talk and

[0:55:00 - 0:55:05] ▶

then he was basically like oh my god i was a part of this yeah and that's when he allegedly decided to

[0:55:05 - 0:55:10] ▶

like join the other side and like blow the whistle himself yeah i i'm so glad that happened i remember

[0:55:10 - 0:55:15] ▶

when jake barber did the extended video with ross and mentioned michael because for over a year at that

[0:55:15 - 0:55:20] ▶

point i had been sworn to secrecy from michael not talking about his quote unquote insider

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because michael put a michael had you know kept me giving me the skinny about what had been going

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on for a long time including where he was taken by jake barber so he's on new stuff like personally

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with range yeah and i knew i knew jake barber by a different name at this point but yes it is true that

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jake barber was tasked to infiltrate greer's camp um and kind of try and maybe set up whistleblowers i

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don't know i think the question needs to be asked did greer know this was jake sent in to promise him

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high level information and did greer know about this and willingly let uh barber in knowing that he

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was an agent for possibly an agency because around the same time 2023 there are multiple greer with

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uh whistleblowers who i have found in greer's dpi archive his disclosure project initiative archive

[0:56:06 - 0:56:10] ▶

and i formed friendship and relationships with that contacted greer and always in 2023 they started

[0:56:10 - 0:56:16] ▶

facing reprisals they started getting threats to their pension there's one guy in greer's archive

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under the number uh 10 8 9 2 this guy talks about being on an alien reproduction vehicle retrieval team

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at nellis air force base and uh kind of witnessing the touchdown of a sunflower extraterrestrial craft

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that he cut off contact with greer because he was threatened with uh inappropriate you know

[0:56:32 - 0:56:37] ▶

explicit underage content oh my god yeah and so this stuff all happened around started really ramping up

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around 2023 and so did you know is is there a connection there one must ask it's it's quite

[0:56:44 - 0:56:52] ▶

perplexing it really is man but also who knows greer's uh operational security is absolutely abhorrent

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so there's no excuse that i should be able to go into his archives and find and be able to track down

[0:56:59 - 0:57:06] ▶

some of the whistleblowers no excuse right i the operational security is so bad i should not be able to do that

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but yeah i'm just glad that it was me who was able to do that with some people and not you know

[0:57:11 - 0:57:17] ▶

somebody else unless agency folks have done that and kind of tracked down whistleblowers and threaten

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them with their pension because some some of these high-level whistleblowers have uh spoken to greer in

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the past because he's really was the only guy to turn to for a long time right he ran the disclosure

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project that's the crazy thing about him i mean a lot of people everybody hates greer for the most part

[0:57:31 - 0:57:36] ▶

i've never heard anyone say anything nice about him except for jesse michaels jesse michaels is the one

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person who's like bro you got to give him credit he's been doing this forever he's he's brought

[0:57:39 - 0:57:45] ▶

forward the most amount of whistleblowers that have divulged the most amount of information so like

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you know take it for what it's worth he's he's done more harm than good or no i'm sorry more good

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than harm i i don't have a i've never spoken to greer i don't plan to he and i don't have a good

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relationship he called me an intelligence asset so i'm not i'm not too and he's also hurt many of my

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friends so i'm not too high up on greer i i think that he kind of has his own vested interest in a lot

[0:58:04 - 0:58:09] ▶

of uh the testimonies he receives i think he treats whistleblowers that come to him like his

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whistleblowers yeah instead of their own autonomous people that should be directed to you know people

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like david grush to disclose to or senate select committee on intelligence yeah so i think it's very

[0:58:19 - 0:58:23] ▶

complicated but i personally i i'm not a huge fan i don't really like yeah being called an intelligence

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asset or him or my friends yeah yeah no there's definitely um some some personality quirks there but

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what i would like to see is you know how he always calls out lou elizondo yes he's got this crazy

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there's this crazy dynamic between him him and lou elizondo and i'd love to hear what you're thinking

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about that uh i don't i i don't i would rather err on the side of like pushing for disclosure instead

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of like trying to get into like interpersonal problems and so forth especially a character like

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lou who is surrounded by a lot of controversy yeah i i do think and all i'll say is i i think more

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questions seem to be asked in documents for you about his time at cifa in the early 2000s the

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counterintelligence field activity oh yeah yeah uh i on a pedestal of of like high level whistleblowers i

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put uh david grush and then um and then you know others but i don't like to engage in the drama but i

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would like to see a debate between those two uh greer and elizondo that would be really fantastic and

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interesting to see because greer always calls um elizondo a asset basically a disinformation asset

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well don't they have the same lawyer isn't danny sheehan represent both yeah sheehan used to work

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for the disclosure project i don't know if he still does a lot of people used to work for the

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disclosure project leslie kane uh you know the article of the 2017 new york times article she used

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to work for steven greer back in the early 2000s and i talked to her at the i snuck my way in back in

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november by the uh ufo hearings into the um disclosure fund event and i talked to her a long

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time she's she's brilliant she's yeah she knows quite a bit but you know she even used to work

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with greer and i think back in the day greer had a little bit of a different mindset uh i think maybe

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some of the problems with him arose more in the future but that that that drama between the two is

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is pretty interesting yeah man the when you start to paying too much attention to like the the

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personalities and like the the ufo celebrities and the drama you start to get like lost in this

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whole thing and i think it's probably intentional and then the combination of the combination of like

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twitter people on twitter you know arguing about who's right and who's wrong and then you mix in the

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fact that everyone's trying to sell a book or a documentary or a movie and they're building their

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careers on this stuff um you know i'm not innocent of it i do podcasts i make money on podcasts about ufos so

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i try not to make it my whole personality and my whole identity as much as i possibly can but um

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you know there's just so much fucking bullshit oh i know and especially uh official nonsense like dr

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sean kirkpatrick the head of arrow who is fraught with a lot of uh really weird past so you're familiar

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with dr sean kirkpatrick of arrow right well sean kirkpatrick has a very checkered past before arrow and

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pretty interesting future after arrow so sean kirkpatrick gets a hold of arrow in like 2022

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arrow reports to the undersecretary for defense for intelligence and security this at the time

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is ronald moultrie who was both on the board for battell memorial institute oh yeah i want to talk

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about them oh absolutely the miter corporation and uh like a group called the better angels

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which is funded by the carlisle group which is a huge big money group yeah yeah yeah so kirkpatrick

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and uh moultrie famously in in 2022 kind of debunked the subject of ufos and so forth kirkpatrick used to

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be a senior research scientist for saic science applications international corporation even published

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with them quite a few times in 2022 arrow engaged in contracts under the dod for aero support services

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with a company called sandcorp sandcorp one directive is to stop whistleblower leaks

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oh wow and i recently tweeted about this i have the exact contract number but arrow is tweeting is

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getting in it getting in contracts with companies that specialize in whistleblower leaks but i i want

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to focus on what sean kirkpatrick did after arrow you know he leaves arrow in a tirade oh nobody likes me

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all that uh really whiny and then he goes on to work at oak ridge which is a department of energy uh ffrdc

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federally funded research and development center that's where he works now no not now okay but we can

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talk more about ffrdc's because when people talk about ufo legacy programs like joint united states

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government contractor like air force and northrop grumman ufo programs the missing link there is the

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ffrdc's this is stuff like the miter corporation the aerospace corporation triad national security run

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by battell yeah oak oak ridge sandia national labs lawrence livermore but yeah so kirkpatrick goes to work

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at oak ridge he also uh joins georgia techs uh let me see what it's called because i wrote this down

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um i can't remember but he went on as a join as georgia tech uh research institute uark a university

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affiliated research center as basically a senior consultant a senior research consultant a uark a

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university affiliated research center is the it is the university counterpart to the ffrdc's the

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federally funded research and development centers what these two institutions are are corporate and

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university systems that are semi-private but mostly kind of dod and government owned that's why uh you

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know one of my big theories is that a lot of these programs operate with the subject matter experts and

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r d wizards being these ffrdc's because they're not fully it's not like a contractor fully removed from

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united states government or united states dod the ffrdc is a corporation still attached inherently to u.s

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government oh interesting we can talk a little bit more about that because there's a lot of

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interesting ties such as like this gets can harken all the way back to kexberg and dr eric a walker

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and a lot of that good stuff but uh additionally since 2025 sean kirkpatrick he had formed his own

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llc called non-linear solutions and as of 2025 non-linear solutions is contracting for the miter

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corporation for us space com us space command and what's interesting there is in some foiet documents

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by a twitter user named tag om in 2023 kirkpatrick met with senior officials at us space com to brief

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them on ufo response and recovery and material transfer so you know what what are the very

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strange connections there arrow stinks to high heaven uh they also are arrows also a lion organization

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you know they published the arrow historical report volume one nonsensical report i hope somebody

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who's read the clear report the classified report can tell us why there's no better explanations than that

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than the public report because the cleared report i've heard is just as nonsensical but there's

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testimonies that are lied about in there a very specific example is michael herrera we got michael

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herrera's memorandum for record with arrow because in the arrow historical report volume one it talks

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about michael's testimony it says like a u.s marine encountered an extraterrestrial vehicle in u.s

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special forces first of all michael never said extraterrestrial vehicle he always thought this

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was a man-made vehicle right and never said u.s special forces he just said unidentified special

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forces and the memorandum for record that proves that he never said extraterrestrial or u.s

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special forces so if arrows lying about details that small to make a whistleblower seem a little

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bit less credible what else are they lying about in that and why are they working with whistleblower

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protection and why is sean kirkpatrick going on to work at under mitre and so forth it's these are

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all questions that must be asked is arrow honeypot why is tim phillips the deputy director of arrow

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badmouthing david grosh on linkedin these are all strange i talk about the ffrdc's and uarchs remember

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when we had the november house hearings the senate also had a some ufo hearings with um with arrow

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at the end of 2024 dr john kozlowski now arrow director said arrow is now working with ffrdc's

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and uarchs what are they doing with them it's these are all interesting questions yeah it's interesting

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to see who doesn't like who and who's saying what about you know these other whistleblowers

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that's a mess you know i mean it it definitely looks good for david grush that this guy is you

[1:06:08 - 1:06:11] ▶

know saying bad things about him oh yeah you know he's not involved with anything like obviously that

[1:06:11 - 1:06:16] ▶

guy is not you know if he's making up and and they're manipulating michael harreira's testimonies

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to make him seem more discreditable there's definitely something there you know the more

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the more of this stuff i hear it's just like it seems like it seems like all this stuff just is

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all the stuff from from sci-fi movies are becoming reality yeah you know like the like the jake

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barber stuff sounds exactly like stranger things yeah yeah well speaking of of star wars have you

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heard of the mark mccandless story no and brad sorenson okay this is in my opinion one of the

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greatest alien reproduction vehicle stories of all time and we can also i'm sure you've heard the term

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alien reproduction vehicle yes and i've heard i'm sure you've heard it associated with greer yes but we

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can dispel that rumor as well okay in this story so this is about november 12th 1988 this takes place at

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the norton air force base show at norton air force base in california this is near edwards air force base this

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is near palm springs this is near the lockheed skunk works this is near yusaf plant 42 you know all

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where a lot of the clandestine aircraft r d of our nation takes place also a region which i think is

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a huge network of underground subterranean facilities but you know we'll talk about that later but

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so aerospace illustrator mark mccandless who had done a lot of work for popular mechanics uh various

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defense contractors was scheduled to go to the air force show with his good friend brad sorenson

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who was an industrial designer at the time brad sorenson had been invited to the show from a

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high profile client uh doesn't really name this person but connected with dod somehow possibly

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former undersecretary for defense real high up guy a couple days before the air show mark mccandless has

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to drop out he needs to do some work for popular mechanics and so brad goes with you know the

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undersec if that's what it is a week later mark finally hears from brad brad sounds really like

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beaten up and shaken brad sounds really really really upset and mark finally pries what brad saw

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at the air show and we'll pause there because historically this story has been relayed second

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hand for mark mccandless right mark mccandless talks about what brad sees at the air show it wasn't until

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this year i found a 1990 interview taken to took place two years after this uh experience with brad

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sorenson and aviation week and space technology writer bill scott so this is no longer a secondhand

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testimony relayed by mark mccandless right this is something that from brad sorenson's own words

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because i'm directly referencing that interview because that's that's some of the things people

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have said about this story in particular the flux liner is that no mark mccandless just said it no

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well brad sorenson talked about it in this interview and some of the details around that are really

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interesting so brad sorenson went to the norton air show tons of interesting aircraft pretty cool

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but at some point during the show the under sect of or whoever he was with took him to a classified

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exhibit this is either a short flight down to use off plant 42 or it's in a completely different hangar

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and the only reason he gets in is because he's attached to this very high level former dod guy the

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two enter the hangar and remember this is all according to brad sorenson and in there there's a lot of

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really interesting vehicles there's like a v12 vertical takeoff and landing little marines

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vehicle there's the losing prototype to the b2 or yeah b2 stealth bomber there's something called the

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locky pulsar which is it is a craft that looks like a pumpkin seed uh craft that is i think powered by if

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i'm remembering correctly scramjet technology super fast remotely controlled it contains 121 nuclear warheads

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what yeah that's some of the military brass were were kind of boasting that they could destroy every

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major city in russia in under an hour and so forth yeah that that's it yeah that's the pulsar and that's

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drawn by mark mccandlish that's drawn by uh that's wild bro have you seen the uh the cormorant the lockheed

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cormorant uh what is that i think uh jeremy wrist told me about this oh alien scientist yeah smart cookie

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yeah man he knows his stuff he uh type in lockheed cormorant that one's crazy looking whoa that thing

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whoa i think the i mean these are all obvious or that one's actually a real photo is this a

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undersea uav yeah bro look at that look at that thing it looks like a bird of course the lockheed

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martin stamp on it iconic yeah right that thing's crazy there's just so much bizarre stuff i know these

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people are making but apparently this thing can go in the water and in the air there's a northrop oh

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it's trans medium yeah bro it flies and it goes under the water allegedly who knows that is a

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creepy looking vehicle it looks like a looks like a almost like a bird but also a little sci-fi high

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techie yeah like like the more i see this stuff bro it just seems like there there's a a human

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explanation for so many of this you have so much of this i think so yeah i had this guy uh david

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morehouse on a couple times and he he worked in the stargate program oh cool yeah and he uh

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he was he came in here with like a whole uh presentation of classified military aircraft

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and reconnaissance balloons and all kinds of things that explain he basically explained away most of like

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the most famous ufo sightings ever really including the phoenix lights he showed uh us like images of

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these giant balloons that have lights built in them and they're they're like reconnaissance balloons or

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something like this and it was the exact shape of the phoenix lights flying the same exact size

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just giant black like tube balloons whoa yeah i you know i agree with you that a lot of what's seen is

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a pretty mundane prosaic explanation or a classified military tech that a lot of it

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regarding on the how anomalous it is how anomalous the sighting is is probably some some reverse

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engineered stuff because so brad sorenson sees the lockheed pulsar which seems like the same crazy

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technology as that lockheed cormorant and then he's brought to the the final section of the exhibit

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where there are three flying saucers stationed hovering off the ground right these look like a

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jello mold with half a dome on top steve would you look up flux liner uh two words these things are

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called little bear mama bear and papa bear because they're the same craft scaled one's about 60 feet

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in length to the largest about 120 feet in length this yeah yeah you've probably seen that image before

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right i've seen this i've seen the drawing before yeah i haven't seen that that is the flux liner so

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okay there's a like a three-star general and contracting personnel there that are showing a

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videotape of i think it's the smallest flux liner um kind of bouncing jaggedly over like a desert surface

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before taking off at rapid speeds uh just straight up so this thing to brad sorenson and brad sorenson

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hated that this this design because he talks non-stop in his interview that it looks like it was made by

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scientists not by engineers it looked slobble together you know there was chipped paint on it

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yeah those little bubbles on the outside were synthetic vision systems um they're little they're

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camera arrays that to kind of create a 3d picture of where the craft going those seats are f4 phantom

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jump seats uh so this craft was like jerry rigged that little ball handle right there it's really

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interesting in um tom de long's uh book i can't i can't names escape me right now secret machines he talks

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about that same control system right there is used to control like the tr3b like reverse engineered

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triangle but so these these craft are powered i don't really understand the physics but by like some

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anti-gravity capacitor array and so forth and and and the the skinny that brad sorenson is given is that

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these craft were created from technology copied found at roswell and that i think the the brass were

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saying that you know we were never supposed to have these craft uh we took it from the beans we've

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tried to recreate how it works this is the best we can get it it's a basically a poor man's

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representation this craft has cameras slapped on the outside and like acrylic bubbles you'd find at a

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walmart it has jump seats from a jet it has a navy submarine door on the outside right but we have

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tried to reverse engineer the propulsion systems of these craft as as well as possible and these

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uh according to brad sorenson according to what he saw these these were copy vehicles taken from

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non-human intelligence at roswell what year was this in 1988 1988 but what's interesting here is

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that this craft right here steve can you look up a 1967 harvey harvey williams in 1967 you you usaf captain

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air force captain harvey williams about 20 12 000 to 20 000 feet over provo utah captured an image of a

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flying saucer that looks exactly like one of these but it looks like an evolution of the flux liner

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because because it has larger acrylic bubbles and as time passes you'd think camera technology size

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would would decrease and you can kind of re rethink the acrylic bubbles but um this is the this is the

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story of the flux liner and mark mccandlish would draw what brad told him because brad didn't want

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anything to do with this story so mark mccandlish would draw this he would take this around he would

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present an at greer's disclosure project he would talk uh yes that's the first image right there

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1966 provo utah okay right there that's taken by yousaf captain if it's not harvey williams i'm butchering

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this badly there's a much higher definition uh yeah that looks like it image same shape yeah so mark

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mccandlish would would you know create a line art drawing of this and he he would take it all around

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talk to people and apparently he met other people like yousaf veteran kent sellin who saw the same craft

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at edwards air force base and i think 1972 i want to say i'm trying to remember correctly but

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mark mccandlish would eventually in 2014 create a documentary with a filmmaker named james allen

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about you know zero point energy systems the flux liner alien reproduction vehicles about less than

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three months before the interview is to be before the documentary is to be released james allen gets

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struck with a very rare and aggressive form of cancer and dies within three months and mark mccandlish

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ordered an autopsy report on him so did the editor of the documentary that i've talked to

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and james allen was found to have heavy metal poisoning in his autopsy report so it's it's weird

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because in this documentary the two james allen and mark mccandlish talk all about you know various

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energy systems various zero point energy systems where the inventors have mysteriously died gone missing

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throw themselves out of a window and so james allen right before that documentary is released goes

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you know he dies as well in 2020 mark mccandlish was found with a self-inflicted uh gunshot wound to

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the head why and he said and maybe it was 2022 but he said that uh in interview shortly before in 2020

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that he slept with a pillow under his his pillow because he was also afraid of what was going to

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happen to him uh court pillow under his pillow i'm sorry a pistol under his pillow yeah i'm sorry

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and he you know there's some rumors according to some close sources of uh mark mccandlish that he

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was going to testify to senator rubio shortly before his death so but this also gets really

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interesting because this was relayed by mark mccandlish for the better part of 30 years right

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i found the original interview with brad sorenson and bill scott from aviation week and space technology

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once i find that and put up a video of the flux liner i get a call from a ufo researcher very well-known

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guy very respected great on crash retrieval but he's also really close with uh greer like really

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good buddies with greer and he calls me and said where did you find that interview like that's not

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supposed to be public you should take that down why isn't that supposed to be public because this

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story was always second hand with mark mccandlish and not brad sorenson and what's weirder is i one of

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greer's close friends as a researcher and why did he tell you it should be taken down he said it's internal

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internal for who exactly why because i messaged brad sorenson i emailed right and the amount of

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death threats that man gave me is unlimited what man brad sorenson oh really say goodbye to you and

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your family you'll never see it coming uh mark was a stupid dramatic uh fool you're gonna end up the

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same way he did and then i kept pushing i because so there was some little inkling that i thought maybe

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brad there's more than meets the eye to brad here and so brad kind of gave me a little bit of the

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implication he may have actually like worked on such a craft saying stuff like i create i helped create

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what i saw and stuff like that it's an incredibly intriguing case the flux liner incredibly intriguing

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and that's just one instance of a alien reproduction vehicle there's another really interesting thing

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like everybody thinks about the tr3b triangle right like the the famous triangle from edgar fouché it's got

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the three four lights on the bottom the big red light and then three lights on the kind of the

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exterior of the triangle i think i know what you're talking about well so see if you can find a picture

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of it steve just to make sure there's a a forensic artist named bill mcdonald he worked with uh yeah

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just like the classic triangle the sal pais patents yeah there bill mcdonald worked with ryan and dr

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robert wood of mcdonald douglas who are some some great investigators into the majestic 12 documents and so we

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created all sorts of art and all sorts of ufo art worked with various films to create craft and so

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forth in 1992 in antelope valley california kind of the aerospace hub of of the united states he met

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with two lockheed and two northrop engineers and these guys worked at the lockheed martin hellendale

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radar cross-section facility and the northrop tayhon radar cross-section facilities now these two places

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are very infamous in ufo lore and these engineers came together two from lockheed two from northrop to

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illustrate the reverse engineered craft they had been working on that they are so tired of the secrecy

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around so uh bill mcdonald of course drew that craft it's really interesting steve can you look up

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uh tahachapi triangle t-e-h-a-t-e-h-a-c-h-a-p-i triangle and that you know i've pressed bill mcdonald for

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the the sources on this subject as well for this uh triangular craft and he won't give them up that's it

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yeah first first one right there but what's interesting here is are you a fan of the x-files

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yes okay so season one episode one of the x-files not the pilot but it's the episode called deep

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throat it's about molder he goes to uh air force base and uh to investigate a test pilot that's

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gone missing and encounters this craft uh chris carter and john de souza the fbi agent on which

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the first season of the x-files was based went up to bill mcdonald and contracted him to use to use

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that design for the the x-files uh episode which i found really interesting really interesting so

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i'd like to press more into that because that's another possible example of a alien reproduction

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vehicle you know there's the triangles there's the saucers uh possibly what michael herrera saw

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just a ton ton of there's so much overlap in movie and television in real life bro it's crazy

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it's like in a in close encounters of the third time third kind there's large crates and boxes of

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materials from trw and lockheed martin that steven spielberg put in there how interesting is that

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didn't he also use the same hand scanner that bob yeah yeah yeah it's it's really really intriguing

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and i think uh oh gosh who was it who was it recently steven spielberg even said that he showed

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like et to some high up military officials who kind of commented how et and like the subject of

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extraterrestrials was really closely related to his film and so forth really intriguing steven spielberg

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seems to be pretty tapped in he's working on another kind of ufo film uh lately yeah i heard

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about that i i don't i don't know exactly what what it was about though it's been a while since i heard

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about it um yeah bro so the jake barber stuff like the psionic stuff um what do you make of all that

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it's it's so it's so interesting but i was kind of of the mind that before you introduce subjects like

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psionics which requires a lot of of understanding and faith into like remote viewing um psi research

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which you know the stargate program and saic did a heck of a lot into but i think before that was

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introduced there needs to be a more firm understanding of crash retrieval and reverse engineering okay

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because the jake barber psionics at the range the whole mo was to use psionics to bring in these craft

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and either force them to land or use some directed energy weapons to blast right the sky right sounds

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totally ridiculous yes before you ask an uninitiated viewer to believe that you got to first say hey

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there are ufos here they're not piloted by humans sometimes they crash sometimes they're shot down

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and we retrieve them but the the subject of i would still be pretty keen to see a demonstration of

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psionics i've never seen it so it's still it's still a little bit tough for me to wrap my head around

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what do you think no i don't know i had never heard about it before the jake barber stuff but it does

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like the the fact like what michael herrera and jake barber were talking about with allegedly going to

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this earthquake disaster zone yeah and trying to capture like kids with like left-handed kids and uh

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first of all they're from like this remote part of the world they're not really connected from tech to

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technology um and they're they're young so like there's definitely something to be said like we

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were talking about on the phone yesterday i think i was telling you like like children i seem to be

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more tapped into this in like a extra invisible sense yeah that that we lose as we grow up you know

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similar like cats and dogs can like can sense different energies you know in the room it's uh it's

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similar to like joe rogan's fart hypothesis have you heard that no basically like if somebody if

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somebody farts and you didn't have the sense of smell or a nose you'd just be sitting in their

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fart and you would have absolutely no idea yeah so how many other things exist all around us that we

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don't have the senses to detect right you know right and you know the subject of psionics is nothing new

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uh you can look back to the claims of of lieutenant colonel philip j corso who of course he's infamous for

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the book the day after roswell which has a bunch of added nonsense from right co-writer bill burns if

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you want to actually understand corso's story you should read his manuscript the day after roswell

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but he even talks about some of the technologies leveraged and utilized from the roswell crash

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specifically was systems to try and control icbm missiles with brain waves so all the way back with

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corso in 1960 to 1962 he you know if if what he's talking about under the foreign technology division is

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legit there were already plans to try and adapt you know mind control mind machine interfaces

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really interesting it's it's perplexing that he says that because of course psionics did he expand

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on that at all no it's a short section and i'll send it to you i'm i i think i told you and i i

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forgot to do it he he just talked about uh trying to use brainwaves rain waves rain waves to control icbms

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and if you look at the old uh old files of leonard stringfield he talks multiple times about headband

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transceivers being found in crashed ufos that control the craft so it's it's it's nothing new i i just think

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that a lot of the time with like uh you really got to slow down and demonstrate the capabilities of

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this of this first because i know with sky watchers there's still gray area about what they're summoning

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right like each youtube video creates a lot of discourse of of you know the the pinpricks of

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light are they birds are they balloons or are they extraterrestrial or non-human craft i think a very

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firm demonstration needs to be made and then you can kind of bring in some of the baggage with that

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because psionics is a really interesting and topic with a lot of baggage because i know i think it was

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greer that talked about like left-handed and gay people yeah left-handed and gay people right young

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yeah young as well kids from the gate programs the gifted and talented education programs and

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i i would like to and allegedly they were kept at the spot and like they were held there and fed a

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specific diet yeah and like given certain medications something like this yeah one of the

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sky watchers top psionic guys is a guy named uh i can't remember his name it's escaped me right now

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but he's told me he was in the the gate program as a child and now he's a sky watcher psionic what's

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interesting about his case is he said while he was in the gate program one time as a young kid a bunch

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of eggheads and uh lab coats brought in a briefcase and opened it up and it was a like a metallic swirling

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sphere in there almost like a palantir and told to just kind of look into it and react to it uh

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the description of that sphere is almost identical to a witness that jesse and i both covered uh randy

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anderson who was a former u.s army green beret who 2013 to 2015 was at the naval surface warfare center

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crane in indiana a really austere weapons facility and he was taken underground by a contractor because

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he was one of two guys in the green beret unit with um you know high clearance levels for a

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oh yeah i remember this interview yeah and he was uh shown something called the off-world

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technologies division and a piece of technology that was by all intents and purposes a identical

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sphere to what this sky watcher asset described that reacted to human consciousness there's there's so much

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crazy stuff dude it's almost impossible to track it all and like again when it comes when you have

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people like that jake guy coming out and like talking about this psionic stuff and like it always is

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fishy to me when people talk in these absolutisms and terms as if like they know exactly what's

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happening you know yeah and uh and i don't know it's it's almost like it's just so difficult to

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navigate this stuff that it's like you know i like to check out every once in a while and just be like

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zoom out on all this stuff take a breath take a breather and then you know see where it goes see where

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it goes because it's it's uh it's overbearing man it's so much to to handle and i don't blame you

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because there's there's so much discourse there's so much infighting there's so much interfactionality

[1:28:05 - 1:28:09] ▶

like there's probably disclosure advocates with varying interests and how disclosure plays out

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you know maybe there's a difference in what like lou elizondo wants versus what eric davis wants at the

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end of the day for disclosure and how these things are brought about what does the navy do what does

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the air force do what does the army do in terms of ufo crash retrieval reverse engineering how

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siloed are the programs is the navy working on an arv and the army working on an arv both the same

[1:28:31 - 1:28:36] ▶

program but have no cross communication uh what role does the do the intelligence agencies play how

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does the neuro hop in how does the nsa hop in you know how do these programs work how are they funded

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that's a big that's a really interesting question as well that i think there's a lot of funding

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mechanisms for such programs like back in the 80s uh the navy was being overcharged by the grumman

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corporation and some other corporations they were being charged like 600 400 to 600 dollars for ashtrays

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and like f-14s and so there's just ashtrays yeah ashtrays and f-14s and that brings me back to that

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guy i told you about ed ed ed at edwards air force base after he was done at edwards he went on to work

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at the pentagon for the air force research development test and evaluation panel chain uh he said in in two

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separate years 34 billion and then 40 billion dollars went missing from the air force and non-transfer

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of authority funds just completely wiped off the books you know i've also been privy to conversations

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with individuals who have seen cash transactions huge pallets of cash trans transacted for ufo legacy

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programs and then of course you have uh katherine austin fitz who talks about really creative funding uh from the

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dod and housing and urban development and he got a great story from um saic science applications

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international corporation and i'd love to tell you a really really intriguing story about uh saic's

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kind of contract work if you don't mind oh yeah so saic first of all has been in some hot water for

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overcharging uh like the nsa seven like five to seven billion dollars for the trailblazer program

[1:30:01 - 1:30:07] ▶

mm-hmm which was supposed to be like a large-scale spine software uh right after 9 11 that was complete

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that completely didn't work but the nsa kind of was fraud was fraudulently charged by saic for all of

[1:30:13 - 1:30:21] ▶

this money saic has enormous contracts many of which don't make any sense like a recent 280 million

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dollar contract with sandia national labs which is a department of energy ffrdc for it consolidation work

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hmm how does it work you know take 280 million dollars of course with saic we've talked about

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kirkpatrick saic has insane ties to the wilson davis memo saic has ties to director of neuro bobby ray

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inman but in 1992 there there so there's a whistleblower from saic her name's denise mckenzie

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and she actually uh disclosed in i think 2000 and so her story goes in 1992 she was working at a fabric

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store at a mall in la jolla san diego a new part-time girl named sophia starts working with

[1:31:02 - 1:31:07] ▶

her sophia says hey come work for this contractor uh you know it better work yeah and so she shows

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up expecting an interview at a large contractor she's hired on the spot at a massive campus that

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is saic science applications international corporation la jolla she's not even really

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told what to do besides administrative work on a computer and that girl who recruited her sophia didn't

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show up for like another three or four weeks so she's just sitting there and having no idea what

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to do on the job and eventually a bunch of letters come in while she's working at saic that are

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basically asking for contract updates on dod and other contractor contracts these are massive contracts

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some in hundreds of million dollars some millions of dollars some tens of millions of dollars and

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she's working in the building where saic does all sorts of classified chemical and biological

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research really interesting biochem facility there that probably connects with patel memorial institute

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and dugway proving ground and so she goes to her superiors because she wants to kind of impress

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them and says what you know what do i what do i do with these contracts the superior says i think the

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superior in right here is named stanley stewart that i've actually tried to track down said oh just

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say we're working on it so she being a new employee doesn't really want to just say we're working on

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it on massive dod contracts so she goes in the file room to find these contract numbers to find

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the contracts to find the programs and in each file for every single program all that's in there is just

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a paper that says we're working on it the same file updates so the saic is undergoing enormous

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contracts for dod and other contractors with no movement on them nothing's being done no progress

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reports no technical reports nothing like that so they're just empty contracts that money can

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be funneled like katherine austin fitz says specifically mentioning saic into the black

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budget so she uh she goes and tells sophia the woman that recruited her eventually and sophia freaks

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out she gets reprimanded by her superiors all the files are taken away she's harassed by one of the

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the bosses and she eventually quits when she almost chokes on some food and like nobody helps her but so

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later on down the line she's interested to search for sophia because she never saw sophia again

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in the early days of the internet she finds sophia's picture same first name different last name on a

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cia operatives database but the weird thing is that this sophia girl that recruited her to work at

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saic remember this took place in 1992 apparently died in 1998 all sorts of weird things going on

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there with saic in 1992 is also when saic took all took over the stargate program from sri and the cia

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saic took over yeah yeah yeah saic huge huge into uh like telepathy telekinesis they have lots of

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reports on it using human subjects for such things and i guess the research was carried on and taken

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seriously because as recently as 2013 the office of naval research published a study like a revolutionary

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study on human sixth sense using like precognition in humans almost to to kind of get a jump on things so

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really really weird discussion of contracts and and like human remote viewing at saic

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yeah they're involved in so much weird shit man i told you the first time i heard about it when i was

[1:34:10 - 1:34:14] ▶

reading that article all about the creation of google yeah how that basically google was incubated by like

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darpa yeah and the cia and all this stuff basically going and visiting sergey brin at stanford and you know

[1:34:19 - 1:34:27] ▶

walk doing like uh status updates every month on what they were doing and how they were doing i think they

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got the page rank system directly from darpa yeah which is strange but you know you know if you just

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understand that history of of how it was how google was created and who they were working with and look

[1:34:38 - 1:34:44] ▶

at where we're at now with all the stuff that's going on you know how they're basically trying to like

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influence the narrative of the public and censor certain speech and and boost other speech and using you

[1:34:50 - 1:34:57] ▶

know now you know google basically creates everything from phones to security systems to

[1:34:57 - 1:35:03] ▶

every application and appliance soon they're going to be making your washer and dryer you know that and

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it's going to talk to you have cameras in it so it's just like okay this company that was created by

[1:35:09 - 1:35:16] ▶

like the deep state essentially is now creating all these appliances and software that are integrated into

[1:35:16 - 1:35:24] ▶

virtually every aspect of your life and you know you rely and and most people a lot of people rely

[1:35:24 - 1:35:30] ▶

on this company to make a living because they basically own the internet yeah you know that's

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just i don't know where that goes man but i can't imagine it's anywhere good it's a it's a terrifying

[1:35:35 - 1:35:41] ▶

reality especially when companies like google when companies like saic that basically helped create

[1:35:41 - 1:35:45] ▶

the internet can work hand in hand yeah it can influence such extreme thought narratives i mean

[1:35:45 - 1:35:51] ▶

saic themselves they were they chaired the the panel that testified to the uh senate select

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committee on intelligence that said saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and thus the united

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states needed to invade iraq and when no weapons of mass destruction were found they chaired the same

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panel that said we investigated ourselves and we did nothing wrong absolving the government the

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intelligence agencies and saic of any involvement so they can really influence public perception in a

[1:36:12 - 1:36:17] ▶

massive way even like dod high level perception and and kind of government perception yeah man it's

[1:36:17 - 1:36:23] ▶

crazy but like going back to what we were we were just got we were discussing like um you know some of

[1:36:23 - 1:36:29] ▶

these private contractors we talked a lot about like the doe which is interesting because you know

[1:36:29 - 1:36:33] ▶

annie jacobson lays it out really well in her first book uh area 51 and her most recent book about

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nuclear war she talks a lot about the department of energy which from what i understand is

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is you might know more about this than i do but the doe the department of energy essentially is like

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the fourth fifth or sixth name change from the manhattan project yeah it was the manhattan project

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and they changed the name to something else atomic energy commission something else and now the

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manhattan project is basically it's the same thing as the doe it's the same fucking organization yeah

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i mean it's crazy to think about and that that's the same company that put out puts out regulations

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of like what types of light bulbs we're allowed to use or sell the i mean the doe is truly an enormous

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and amorphous blob they even have their own like like they even have their own armed teams called srt

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special response team that transfer like nuclear radiological materials across the continental united

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states the doe has their hand in almost every pie i mean the doe is born from the granddaddy the atomic

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energy commission that has just tremendous ties to to possible ufo programs just like we talked about

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the 1954 atomic energy act that is literally name dropped in the uapda and literally said hey

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ufo materials information etc are hidden within restricted data within trans-classified foreign

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nuclear information under the atomic energy commission so the the doe just has their hand in so many pies

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and the doe also sponsors so many federally funded research and development centers like lawrence

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livermore national labs sandia national labs oak ridge etc where you know i i have some degree of

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of confidence that there are reverse engineering and retrieval operations you know being conducted at

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such locations and and even the doe what they were doing in um i think it was the like the 60s or 70s when

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they were like detonating subterranean nukes and like working with these oil companies trying to like

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basically uh frack oil using nuclear weapons it's just insane like like you said all the all the uh

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all the pies they have their hands in bro whenever you investigate a crash retrieval story or like a

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craft being housed any testimony you can always do a couple extra steps of research and find out some

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connection to the doe it's a it's a very very scary organization and you know even in some high profile

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whistleblower testimony like edgar fouché who talked about the tr3b reverse engineered alien reproduction

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vehicle he directly said stuff like the lawrence livermore national labs and sandy national labs to doe

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ffrdc's reverse engineer the propulsion devices for the tr3b and what about battelle where does battelle fit

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in all this stuff battelle battelle's pretty interesting so battelle memorial institute i think

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you and jesse talked about it not only do they have ties to ronald moultrie who was uh

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undersecretary of defense for intelligence and security who error reported to but so i i think

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you guys talked about this too nitinol night and all that yes you know shape memory alloys battelle was

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kind of doing some some secret projects on that wasn't really declassified into the early 60s when

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nitinol was like accidentally discovered uh battelle memorial institute also ran something called project

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stork which was actually a hidden ufo program parallel to blue book you know project blue book 1952 to 1969

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why does battelle have their own really secretive ufo program uh back in the same time as blue book

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there's also a i know of an individual that i did a video on this this took place at dugway proving

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ground at the west desert test center which is degway proving grounds major range test facility base where

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in the aviary area of doug way which is you know an air force pretty pretty extensive contractor

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location he went into a building while doing contracting work there and saw a craft and this craft was

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hovering off the ground and it was being worked on by by various individuals well the west desert

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test center which specializes in chemical and biological work if you look at the history of

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people who have run the west desert test center it's always former battelle guys always battelle also

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runs multiple ffrdc's like the out near fort dietrich maryland and that kind of region which has really

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high profile biological and chemical work that there's some rumors that that's where some of the bodies

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of uh extraterrestrials or non-human intelligence are stored battelle also really smartly battelle

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kind of set the playbook by forming something called triad national security it was battelle a

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university and another organization that formed like their own uh company to manage some doe labs for

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ffrdc's i'm trying to think which exactly here but once battelle did that then companies like saic

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started doing that with egng saic started doing that with northrop saic started doing that with

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momentum which recently whistleblower matthew brown has said operates hangers that hold a reverse

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engineered technology at pax river in virginia so battelle has always at least to me seemed like a

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almost almost like a chemical and biological subject matter expert there's there's one of those nickel

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titanium alloy studies from battelle that was you know i can't remember the date declassified but it was

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by a man named i was just the night and all stuff yeah okay yeah i is it edward it's not how

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it crossed it's edward something but it's a name it's a name that worked on one of the you know

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investigating these alloys and this same individual i i don't know why his name is slipping for me i just

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talked about it with jesse but on late in his life in 1992 to move on to move on researcher irene scott

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this guy disclosed to her that he worked on metals that were leveraged from non-human intelligence craft

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that had crashed so you have your own battelle guy who worked on those reports saying that stuff came from

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flying saucers essentially yeah i remember jeremy wriss he he went to one of the big hearings i think

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it was last year and he like you know he he's crazy yeah he was there like live streams like talking to

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people pulling people aside and he was interviewing i forget who it was it was one it was some big wig

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it was a woman and she was like uh i think she was a congresswoman and he was asking her about uh battelle

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and she goes excuse me what he goes battelle memorial institute she's like uh how do you

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what's i've never heard of that and he was like he's like okay it's spelled this go to this website

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i really need to look into that thank you for for i'm gonna look into them thank you it's just like

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you know i don't know it seems like nobody knows what's going on with all this stuff yeah and and how

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how projects and expertise may be delegated to different contractors i mean i i think battelle has

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their hands all over this stuff as we've seen with the nitinol nickel titanium alloy studies and

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project stork it battelle is just it's just strange i think so if i if i had to wager like if i had to

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say the biggest corporations that have their hand in this stuff it would be battelle it would be saic

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it'd be northrop grumman it would be latos which saic kind of spun off from in 2013 because saic got too

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big and had too many contracts it would be raytheon uh boeing booze allen hamilton maybe l3 l3 hair

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yeah l3 harris and yeah probably some of the biggest then ffrdc is i'd say the mitre corporation

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i i have quite a a bit of knowledge on the mitre corporation the rand corporation uh the aerospace

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corporation here's what's pretty interesting the aerospace corporation so there's so many all the doe

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labs to try national security oak ridge at the center for naval analyses institute for defense

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analyses and then you got the uark georgia tech pennsylvania state university which is really

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really interesting uh which we'll talk about in a second but the so the rand corporation was built

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out of usaff project rand which was kind of involved with underground constructions but the aerospace

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corporation as well as the mitre corporation as well as bdm which is a contractor not an ffrdc were all

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started between 1959 and 1960 the exact date that you know philip j corso says that you know alien

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technology was starting to be seeded into the military and public when that began so it's just

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a really interesting lineup of dates and including eric davis said to me he didn't name drop it

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specifically but the aerospace corporation is the one ffrdc he knew of that engages with this stuff

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and on the on the uark level the university affiliate research center you have stuff like the

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applied physics laboratory or applied research laboratory names escaping me from penn state university

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this was started by dr eric a walker dr eric a walker is one of the most underrepresented figures

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in all of ufo in my opinion back in 1950 i consultant to the defense research science board or the r d

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board robert sarbacher i'm forgetting his official title but brilliant physicist brilliant guy jesse

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talks about him all the time he met with a canadian radio engineer wilbert b smith and said some pretty

[1:45:12 - 1:45:19] ▶

outstanding statements such as flying saucers exist their modus operandi is unknown but efforts to kind

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of understand them reverse engineer them are headed by dr vannevar bush and the matter isn't top secret

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to the point it's classified two points higher than the h-bomb and so this made its way into an official

[1:45:31 - 1:45:35] ▶

canadian department of transport memo that wilbert smith then created uh two ufo projects for canada

[1:45:35 - 1:45:42] ▶

project magnet and project second story but ufo researchers like henry azadehel and william steinman would

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interview robert sarbacher and he would name one person that was really intimately involved with ufo

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or crash retrieval operations dr eric a walker and so eventually dr eric a walker was contacted by the

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same researchers william steinman and so forth dr eric a walker not only admitted he was at the 1965

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kexberg pennsylvania crash not only admitted that he knew about the majestic 12 but also said one of the

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most interesting quotes in all the subject when asked about how to gain access in these programs

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he said something along the lines of what do you know about esp extrasensory perception unless you

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know about esp you would never be involved in these programs and this was 1982 he said that so eric a

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walker who started the applied research laboratory pennsylvania's uarc is is one of the most underrepresented

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and entwined guys and kind of ufo lore of all time because this guy said he was at the 65 kexberg crash

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which is a great case too yeah it seemed the esp remote viewing uh stuff seems to be like the at the

[1:46:45 - 1:46:54] ▶

foundation of all of this stuff man and it's also like the the convenient thing about it is it's the

[1:46:54 - 1:46:59] ▶

most ridiculous sounding thing i'm with you people can people can like comprehend or like swallow the idea

[1:46:59 - 1:47:06] ▶

of anti-gravity or like aircraft that aerospace companies are making but as soon as you start

[1:47:06 - 1:47:12] ▶

saying like reading minds or like a sixth sense and controlling shit with your mind people are just like

[1:47:12 - 1:47:19] ▶

bullshit yeah there's no way which is super if it is legit which it makes it super convenient yeah and

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i you know i i think that i do think because i've never seen demonstrations of remote viewing or psi or

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psionics this stuff work i i am i'm of the mind also like many of the skeptics i i think there should be

[1:47:30 - 1:47:36] ▶

demonstrations of such a thing i'd like to see demonstrations of remote viewing of psionics and

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stuff because just like you and just like a lot of the public that is the hardest part for me to wrap

[1:47:41 - 1:47:45] ▶

my head around yeah technological craft being shot down by the strategic defense initiative sure that's

[1:47:45 - 1:47:52] ▶

there's a lot there to digest and research but stuff like psionics and and the consciousness studies i i

[1:47:52 - 1:47:57] ▶

i need to see to see more to understand it's so foreign to me yeah have you seen that movie um mirage

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man yeah about doty yeah it's a really good movie um and it's just like that that that movie really

[1:48:03 - 1:48:11] ▶

made me like more skeptical than ever about everything you know i don't i don't know how

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accurate that movie is but it was uh you know it shows you just how much effort that all these companies

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and agencies are willing to go for go through to fuck with people and scramble people's brains and

[1:48:21 - 1:48:28] ▶

manipulate information and like paint a false narrative um and you know that that is when i

[1:48:28 - 1:48:35] ▶

started to look at some of these whistleblowers you know like hmm is this guy legit who do you look at

[1:48:35 - 1:48:40] ▶

skeptically how do i know if i want to trust this guy right um i mean a lot of them man i i don't know

[1:48:40 - 1:48:45] ▶

i don't know if i i mean grush seems pretty legit oh yeah but um you know there's just there's so many

[1:48:45 - 1:48:52] ▶

of them and you know some of the guys like i think the guy that that jesse interviewed the um

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i think was a marine you mentioned him earlier michael michael he was the guy who went down into

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the base and they were like brought through all these uh these like compartments and they finally

[1:49:01 - 1:49:06] ▶

got to this area where there was this like crazy thing he explains this randy randy randy randy i think

[1:49:06 - 1:49:12] ▶

people like them you know it's it's uh people that like aren't selling anything and that seem to be

[1:49:12 - 1:49:17] ▶

disconnected from it they seem to be the most credible and they're like kind of like one-off

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interesting things but you know when you have like i i don't know about the jake barber stuff

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i don't know if i can if i buy that you know it's uh it's just like if they're if they were going to

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the extent to literally put nsa people in a guy's house and beam fake information into his house and

[1:49:35 - 1:49:43] ▶

try to confuse him and tell him that some alien civilization is on their way to earth because

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their planet ran out of water and they're coming here to take over in about 15 years if they're

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willing to go to that extent and send some guy into a mental hospital just to uh just to make

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sure nobody believes anything he says about seeing these aircrafts flying over the mountains imagine

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what the hell they're doing 60 years later absolutely it's almost incomprehensible especially when you add

[1:50:03 - 1:50:09] ▶

the internet and social media into it it's like jesus christ man like how are we ever gonna get to the

[1:50:09 - 1:50:14] ▶

the bottom of any of this stuff well specifically doty has been rearing his head recently he was on

[1:50:14 - 1:50:19] ▶

some live stream where he said yeah and that's he's all over twitter yeah like like that's he's

[1:50:19 - 1:50:24] ▶

weird he said that he was recruited in 2019 or something to work alongside lou elizondo to spread

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disinfo for space force but then he came out and said that that was ai and he said no it wasn't ai

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was talking about something else so doty's always still kind of flirting around and then there's of

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course just the other day that new wall street journal um article did did you see that it's a

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sean kirkpatrick love letter that says we solved all the ufo program all everything was just an air

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force hazing ritual that new new signees to various air force programs when developing stealth technology

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would be shown pictures of flying saucers made to sign an nda until though we have secret alien technology

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and blah blah blah is this the wall street journal thing that like talks about lou elizondo because i saw

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something on twitter this morning about like some sort of wall street journal article oh yeah no

[1:51:04 - 1:51:08] ▶

lou responded to that that oh okay that same article you're talking about yeah and the article talks

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about how like uh the 1967 malmstrom air force base incident was just like a large emp device that was

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brought up to the front gate of malmstrom afb 60 feet in the air and basically took a a bunch of

[1:51:18 - 1:51:24] ▶

minutemen missile operators by surprise turning off the icbms just uh so there's there's unfortunately with

[1:51:24 - 1:51:31] ▶

a subject there's disinformation and and nonsense and difficult gates to check and difficult probabilities

[1:51:31 - 1:51:37] ▶

to assess at every single corner it's such a hard field to navigate because there has been

[1:51:37 - 1:51:42] ▶

sophisticated disinformation campaigns since the 1950s i mean 1953 right after the sightings of ufos

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over washington dc there was something called the robertson panel the robertson panel was supposed

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to investigate ufos but had already had a pre-written conclusion to diswell public worry about ufos and say

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everything was okay it's just there's no problem here there's nothing to see here same with the

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1969 condon committee and then in the 1960s you have things like air force regulation 200-2 which

[1:52:03 - 1:52:09] ▶

restricted civilian and military pilots from reporting ufos and on the similar side you went

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op nav 3820 which restricted navy guys from reporting ufos with a ten thousand dollar fine and

[1:52:14 - 1:52:20] ▶

possible imprisonment so all along the way you have all of these psyops and you have all these interesting

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things then of course we have all sap and then a tip recently those um bigelow aerospace the slides

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and documents were leaked that talked about a tip as a white world cover program for all sap

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it's just there's there's so much nonsense to to look through everywhere and then another

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interesting thing bringing up bigelow aerospace is the fact that john or is john bigelow no it's not

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john bigelow what's his first robert robert bigelow um robert bigelow is so obsessed with the

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remote viewing precognitive dream near-death experience stuff he does these contests with

[1:52:54 - 1:52:59] ▶

people like to to do studies on near-death experiences and like he's just spending a ton

[1:52:59 - 1:53:04] ▶

of money trying to understand this crazy stuff that's like it's like almost stuff that's impossible

[1:53:04 - 1:53:11] ▶

to like measure and it's like sci-fi woo-woo stuff that he's interested in and he's like one of the

[1:53:11 - 1:53:17] ▶

biggest investors in this ufo aerospace stuff yeah and then according to some of the the bass documents

[1:53:17 - 1:53:22] ▶

that released from the osap program like bass was seriously studying the the tick-tock scene by

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david fravor as like a human-made creation and so forth you see some of those this this all started

[1:53:26 - 1:53:31] ▶

with like a pretty recent reddit whistleblower a guy who came forward on reddit talking about how

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the tick-tock is ours that lou elizondo and jay stratton specifically are legacy program gatekeepers that

[1:53:36 - 1:53:43] ▶

essentially kind of keep emergent technologies from surfacing and then provided a bunch of the bass

[1:53:44 - 1:53:49] ▶

documents really really interesting if you saw that i haven't seen that that's interesting which

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of course on reddit you got to be a little careful with any whistleblower same thing with reddit and

[1:53:53 - 1:53:57] ▶

4chan healthy people on reddit yeah i read it i don't know why you'd ever post there but it's still

[1:53:57 - 1:54:02] ▶

reddit me too i always browsing but it's still pretty pretty interesting but you never know how to assess

[1:54:02 - 1:54:06] ▶

that especially kind of you're right the big low is really interesting how he's so into more of the

[1:54:06 - 1:54:12] ▶

medical metaphysical side paranormal stuff yeah like he's like skinwalker ranch and werewolves and stuff man

[1:54:12 - 1:54:18] ▶

it's so crazy see that stuff's tough for me because i like to just stick to military agencies

[1:54:18 - 1:54:24] ▶

intelligence agencies right do we laboratories contractors all that i like to look at stuff you

[1:54:24 - 1:54:29] ▶

can really kind of itemize and list out and yeah and draw chains of custody and and so forth so some

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of that esoteric stuff i'll leave that in the consciousness studies to jesse because he's got a

[1:54:35 - 1:54:39] ▶

way better way to talk about that and way better hold on it than me yeah no it's it's it's a lot man and

[1:54:39 - 1:54:45] ▶

that's what i like about your stuff is that you you like are going to the crazy extent to like

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get as much corroboration for this military stuff and this technology stuff uh which is rare to see

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and uh you know like it's hard it's hard to find this stuff bro yeah the stuff that you're like that

[1:54:58 - 1:55:04] ▶

your hour and 45 minutes into the history of this case that happened in peru freaking decades ago and

[1:55:04 - 1:55:11] ▶

you're you're there's not many people that are spending that much time and doing that much

[1:55:11 - 1:55:16] ▶

homework to connect all these dots that you're connecting well i always worry i sometimes i worry

[1:55:16 - 1:55:22] ▶

that the stuff will be too boring but i need to say it because specifically for jonathan like

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to arrive at the conclusion that it was nest that picked him up doe nest i drew out flight routes from

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the doe cessna jets they owned in 19 96 from uh sandia national labs down to panama air force base

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and different places around there to see if it was even technically feasible that could have been

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nest so a lot of these crash retrieval cases whistleblowers corporations involved they you

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know i i'm not solving anything i'm trying to i'm doing the best to get to the bottom of it but

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they really need to be scrutinized intensely because just re just reading the testimony and not really

[1:55:54 - 1:56:00] ▶

arriving at any conclusion or not having any supporting evidence it's just not enough in my

[1:56:00 - 1:56:04] ▶

opinion just regurgitating the stories isn't isn't enough right and that's a that's a trap that you

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can get into and you know people these people that are like posting every day on every social media

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platform and i'm trying to just talk about like the news of the day you kind of get bogged down you

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kind of like lose your footing in what you're really trying to in like the real investigations that

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you're doing you're obviously spending obviously these videos aren't quick for you to make no

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it might take you like months to make yeah that's why somebody uh recently called me like a a podcaster

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and i'd say no like i i fancy myself as like an old school ufo investigator like i i want to do the

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research i i want to publish on youtube i you know if youtube didn't exist maybe i'd write books about

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stuff but i all i want to do is investigate these cases because i do it so i can arrive to my own

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conclusions like it's i make these projects very selfishly for myself sometimes because a lot of the time

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when i'm researching or doing the investigation i can kind of click with various things and i also

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jam-pack as much fact or as close to fact as humanly possible because when i create more work i want to

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be able to reference my previous work that's incredibly detailed so if i don't if i want to

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reference a contract i covered when talking about lockheed martin i'm gonna make darn sure that i talk

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everything about the contract and the agencies at play and so forth right you were mentioning uh

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earlier when we talked about corso and the day after roswell you said there was some writer that was a

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hollywood writer that like made up a bunch oh yeah bill burns because the reason i'm curious about

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that is is there was um a bunch of stuff in that book about like velcro and kevlar and all these like

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human technologies that were found in that crash do you think that was added by this hollywood guy do

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think that was real some of them were added some of them weren't but the distinguishing difference

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corso makes in his work is like um integrated circuitry and transistors and stuff he makes the claim

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that a lot of these stuff weren't copied like the technology wasn't basically seeded from craft but

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we as humans had our own evolution of these technologies and an understanding of a different

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variation of something like the transistor integrated circuit allowed for further advancements of our

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technology because i know jesse talked about it with you or i can't remember where jesse talked about

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it but he was skeptical that stuff like transistors were taken from the roswell craft when transistors and

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various concepts for transistors had existed existed previously and i tend to agree with that i think

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if anything that technology was likely used to bolster existing technology and not just copied

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so you think that that thing was a reproduction vehicle no no no so like i i think that humans let's say

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let's take the transistor for example if a transistor was pulled from the roswell craft yeah i think that

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humans were already working on concepts similar to transistors technology similar to transistors and

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pulling like a more advanced transistor type piece of technology off the roswell crash may have allowed

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us to make quicker advancements in our current human prosaic technology because we can analyze

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non-human technology not inventing technology out of the ether because we just pull it from a non-human

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source right so more so just like um copy and not copying somebody else's homework but taking influence

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from other technology on existing technologies right there's still a lot of questions with corso right

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like we can't there's a lot of rebuttals for most of that technology created i mean even passive night vision

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systems colonel john alexander who i have my problems with yeah night vision was another it

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was another technology yeah crash well corso's corso said that there was an eye film on the beans

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and that's where passive night vision systems were were pulled from that's a that's a very big big claim

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but what's interesting to me about this is in in the in the manuscript it was just made for his

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grandchildren right it wasn't made for public consumption it was made for his family so it's not

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like he's trying to sell this story to a huge world because there's massive differences in the

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uh manuscript versus the book the book talks the first chapter about corso sitting like isaac newton

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under a tree like thinking about the roswell crash basically placing himself there no the manuscript is

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super dry it repeats itself dozens if not hundreds of times but it just is is basically corso's words

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actually from corso and not with added fluff like in the book in the book there's one like senior

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intelligence or dod official that corso basically convinces to you know perform a self-inflicted gunshot

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wound with like corso acts so tough to do that and that's not in the manuscript that's fluff nonsense

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to make something sell to hollywood so there's a lot of added information that i i really understand

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why people take corso so skeptically if all they've read is the day after roswell right right what

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what what is what is your take on john alexander uh john alexander i don't know he what i what i

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think the most interesting example of where john alexander was president present was 1985 at the

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advanced theoretical physics working group that was held at bdm's facility in mclean virginia right so

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this was an event that okie shannon if you've heard of okie shannon he was director of like special

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projects at los alamos national labs and he is mentioned multiple times in the wilson davis interview

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in 1985 he went to attend this event at bdm mclean uh this event was classified using doe controls

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right which is really interesting a lot of it was ran by john alexander and at that time new bdm board

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member albert stubblebine who had just left us army inscom for bdm in 1984 at this conference there was

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so much talk about ufo reverse engineering programs you know conducted through speeches and organization by

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alexander including a massive mention of a i think it says like huge engineering project under bobby

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ray inman and of course that's somebody we talked about right no bobby ray inman is the neuro guy he's

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the cia guy he's the nsa guy he's the saic guy he's the wackenhut guy oh wow what he's he's one of the

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main villains of this of this entire story i'd say something i forgot to tell you about is in 1989

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he talked to nasa mission specialist bob eschler bob eschler called him uh somehow they worked they

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got in a relationship and we're talking to each other and bob eschler basically asked if recovered

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ufos would ever become available for technological research and what's interesting is this phone call

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is recorded so you can actually listen to it and bobby ray inman does the whole i know nothing about

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that but directs eschler to current cia dsnt director of science and technology deputy director

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everett heineman says if you want to know about it go talk to heineman so eschler talks about heineman

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heineman freaks out says no don't talk to me nothing there heineman was also director of the nro program

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b and was actually the first one of the first heads of pine gap when it opened up in the 70s

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in 2023 a ufo researcher rgh ufo has met emailed heineman and i wish he would get back to me but he's

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never responded to me and heineman alluded that he did in fact work in ufo programs he said i'm no longer

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in that area of research but back to inman inman also appointed bob eschler nasa mission specialist to former

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director of naval intelligence sumner shapiro sumner shapiro was also a bdm board member but sumner

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shapiro met with bob eschler and sumner shapiro told bob eschler that not only had he studied craft

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up close but they were shipped between different doe laboratories and some of them featured interlocking

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components that had to be assembled and disassembled in certain ways if you're going to gain access to the craft

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so bobby ray inman you know points bob eschler to all sorts of these guys bobby ray inman is former

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director of neuro cia all this but then in 2020 and this echoes the present very well bobby ray

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inman appeared on project unity jay anderson's podcast and said he had found uh explanations

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conventional explanations for every single ufo sighting which is nonsense to to take that stance

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that every single ufo sighting you've ever cracked sounds like sean kirkpatrick so this guy in 1989 is

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pointing bob eschler to first-hand ufo retrieval knowledge people and then he is walking those

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statements back and bobby ray inman has a very illustrious history he was also on the board for

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wackenhut which is a private security agency mentioned by so many whistleblowers and including

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performing security at area 51 s4 yeah i learned all about wackenhut when i had the dudes in here that

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made the danny casolero documentary really have you seen that documentary holy bro you gotta watch that

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it is they talk all about like it's it's called the octopus murder you know what i can't believe i

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haven't watched the octopus murders yet so many people have told me to watch it amazing it they

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talk it basically explains how like all of these things are connected with wackenhut the cia and all

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of these different scandals that have ever happened from like watergate to like iran contra and all this

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stuff it's all a part of this big crazy deep state blob octopus uh and all these tentacles are

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attached to one another and danny casolero got to the bottom of this thing

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and uh he was found uh he was found with his wrists slashed in a bathtub in a hotel room

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yeah and uh it's it's an amazing documentary and they they go deep into it the wackenhut stuff

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what you know wackenhut wackenhut even has ties and in the subject we're talking about now with the

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department of energy uh i mentioned the department of energy special response teams that are like

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really highly armed guys at doe national labs that you know maybe they transport nuclear materials maybe

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they transport radiological materials maybe sometimes they transport ufos but these guys were

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trained by wackenhut and so they get wackenhut training uh wackenhut worked closely alongside indusec or

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industrial security personnel which i think industrial security personnel are the actual

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armed guards and so forth that will be inside of a ufo facility guarding the usap program locations and

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so forth so i think wackenhut is intimately entwined and bobby ray inman he was a board member of wackenhut

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it's interesting he said that uh he was the guy who said that a bunch of the stuff can be explained

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away with a conventional explanation all i think some of them definitely can yeah i agree i think i think

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even the uh the the stuff that was leaked by the the 2017 uh new york times stuff yeah the footage of

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the the i forget if it's the go fast there's one of them where the basically it shows the thing flying

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across the water with the water in the background yeah go fast yeah and he's like whoa are you seeing

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that or whatever you can easily explain that with uh because the what people don't understand is that

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object is moving in one direction and the plane is moving in the other direction and you have the

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parallax of the water underneath it to make it looks like it's it looks like it's going 10 times faster

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than it could be a bird yeah flying across the surface of the water i i agree with you i i don't

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think those videos are the cream of the crop definitive anything i i in fact i think that video and picture

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evidence is some of the the least compelling stuff we can get i'm i'm with you the debate still rages on

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about those videos it's 2025 those videos were released in 2017 and there's still been no progress

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made on a single one of them right besides maybe just the go fast and it kind of downgrading it to

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possible parallax effect right would be a treat is if you're familiar with the whistleblower matt brown

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getting okay so matt brown wrote the uh immaculate constellation report oh yes okay some of those

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in the immaculate constellation report for people that don't know what the immaculate constant

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constellation report is can you like summarize okay so immaculate constellation according to

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matt brown who you know i put a lot of faith in was a reactionary special access program formed i

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think 2017 2018 to kind of catalog various morphologies sightings databases of of ufo sightings

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and there's been a lot of discussion that everything matt brown found was in a shriever war games file i i

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highly doubt that but within the immaculate constellation report there's detailing of you know videos and imagery

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from satellites of morphologies of craft from everything to triangles hovering over the indo-pacific

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captured by indo-patcom to saucer giant saucers resting in clouds almost like camouflaging itself

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the interesting thing about this report is it talks specifically about reproduction vehicles it once said

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alien reproduction vehicles but i think that was taken out so yeah matt brown stumbled upon this database

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and created the immaculate constellation report which was presented to uh the house in november of 2024

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uh jeremy corbell i think it was his report but shellenberg michael shellenberger presented it right

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and nancy mace entered it without you know jeremy's page a lot of drama there but it's a really

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interesting report and uh of course matt brown just did a three-part interview series with jeremy

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corbell and recently i started making some scathing tweets directly accusing pax river out there

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near virginia of having hangers owned by amentum i think it is uh that house some recovered craft really

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mm-hmm wow let's let's see that dang satellite footage of that saucer resting in the clouds because

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that's the type of of footage that's that's going to be compelling you know recently there was the lou

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alizando kerfuffle of presenting the irrigation circles did you see that no oh my goodness so at the uap oh

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yes i didn't see it this was at south by southwest no no no this was uh this was early may oh okay um there

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was a uap disclosure fund uh meeting and i think it was admiral tim gallaudet lou elizondo chris

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mellon and uh eric davis speaking and there were some really interesting things said such as eric davis

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talking about four types of non-human species and as well as most retrievals being maritime

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retrievals which would then create a whole new world of investigation for us in neuro and then uh

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elizondo gets on stage says hey i was given a picture by a pilot this morning taken at this elevation

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and it's just two elevation circles that has a small illusion of of being like a saucer hanging

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over a flat land that that's the kind of stuff that actively hurts the topic very badly yeah that's

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not a good look what did people call him out on it yeah and there's a yeah it was well it was

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debunked within like an hour and you know props to props to the people who who debunked that but i just

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i don't think that if that image wasn't properly vetted that ever should have been posted you know

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yeah because he he said he was given the photograph that morning or the night before hadn't had time

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to vet it but if he can't vet it and eric davis has just talked about four species of non-humans and

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maritime retrievals please let's not let's not show that because that's just crap evidence to begin with

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uh videos and stuff really don't don't push the push the envelope there's endless debate over

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pictures and sightings and it's a huge problem because there had been previous uh pictures

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posted by lou of a chandelier in hungary do you remember that photo no it was a reflection of a

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chandelier he initially called a mothership so we gotta stop with those photos because it's not helping

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anyone have you seen the video i'm sure you've seen the video of the uh what do they call it the the

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i the one the one that was in iraq oh the mosul orb or the jellyfish the jelly yeah the jellyfish

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yeah the jellyfish looks like a cluster of balloons gosh yeah it's it's so hard to tell with

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because jeremy corbell posted the said the full video shows the thing rising out of the water

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oh yeah and if that exists that dispels the whole balloon narrative but until we're presented with

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that a cluster of balloons or other prosaic explanations are are perfectly reasonable yeah

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we had what's his name the nasa engineer kevin newth or he was kevin knuth he wasn't an engineer he

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was he's a new york university uh physicist physicist great guy right he worked for he worked for nasa

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for a while i think and he was telling me the whole story about the uh the japanese airliner

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oh six six eight eighteen twenty six yes exactly and that whole story of that guy that guy's testimony of

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that giant freaking ship the size of like 15 football fields pulling up right next to him

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that's bizarre and there was also a radar guy apparently that like corroborated all of it because

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you remember the the pilot of the japan airlines flight i think this was in 1986 said that huge

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craft basically orbited around his plane at insane speeds as well and he tried to take a picture of

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it the thing just disappeared in an instant yeah and you're right it was tracked on radar as well i

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can't remember the i i'm sure the debunker explanation is that it was venus or something that

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the the it was venus well you know the the joke here is that so many debunkers when when trained pilots

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say they see strange lights um the debunker explanation is just venus or something but i that's a such a

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compelling case there's also a spanish airliner case in the 70s of an actual plane uh commercial

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airliner that was grounded due to ufo sightings in the plane's pathway i can't remember what the flight

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is it's like tk something but that's another really intriguing story that was also captured on radar

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that sort of multi-sensor detection is is really what what can help push the envelope and kevin knuth is

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brilliant he talks about that case in his paper estimating flight characteristics for anomalous

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unidentified phenomena or something like that it came out in 2022 2021 2022 but he also talks

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about some of like the physics and experience g-forces by craft in in that sighting in the graham

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bouthane encounter i think it was and then the the tic tac in 2004 which he estimated when the tic tac

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changed from a high elevation to just above sea water it could have experienced up to 5500 g's of

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accelerated force yeah which is crazy yeah there's a lot i mean there's a lot of sightings from pilots and

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and airplane sightings from from all around the world it's uh and then you know another thing i

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wonder about is like how much how many like going to this underwater neuro thing like you never hear

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about submarines witnessing anything that well submarines also don't have windows which is

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convenient yeah but what about the radar that like they have all kinds of i'm sure they have all kinds

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of of sensors that can detect anything around them and sonar and and all this stuff and they spend so

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much time underwater and there's so many submarines annie jacobson when she was on here last

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she was showing us a map of all the submarine highways around the world for all the countries

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and between the us russia and china it is just like the oceans are littered with submarine high

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nuclear submarines patrolling everywhere so um there's got to be tons of reports from these nuclear

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subs but which obviously would never probably leak into the public right and what's interesting is you

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know i think you and jesse talked about it robert hastings and ufos and nukes and how ufo swarm nuclear

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sites it stands to reason that ufos would swarm nuclear subs of course as well loaded with warheads

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and there's a lot of of so in project blue book there's a great documents like the unexplained of

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blue book and it's just all the really unexplained sightings that had no real conclusion and some of

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them are of course maritime and uh uso sightings and some of these are like tic tacs hovering above

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the water in 1950 and i think kevin knuth talked about a new zealand destroyer case just off of new

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zealand i think it was a i think it was actually a kiwi ship and not an american ship that encounter

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like a huge saucer type craft that passed very fast under the destroyer and knocked out the power

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oh yeah i think i remember him saying that yeah and then there i've talked to some uh

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former has got to know something sorry continue oh no i've talked to some former navy guys who have

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talked about like uh they've mentioned aircraft carrier sized usos and this is a guy playing i'm not

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going to spoil it because i plan to talk to him uh kind of soon on one of my programs but that

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i really hope he talks about that because that is intriguing aircraft carrier size uso but you're

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talking about nasa yeah i was gonna say i'm just gonna say not you know nasa has got to have there's

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got to be some you know i know nasa is a very public facing uh organization but like you would imagine

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that if nasa has been involved in so much since the moon landing and all that stuff that there's got to be

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some sort of interest or investigations into this stuff from new people at nasa well plenty of nasa

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astronauts have had a interest gordon cooper and edgar mitchell i mean gordon cooper himself discussed

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even before he was uh on nasa flights kind of chasing ufos in a in a jet while in service and there's

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there i can't recall them off the top of my head but there are stories of like lunar or apollo

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astronauts on the way or returning from the moon seeing strange craft or strange craft following

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them there's allegedly a tape taken by one of the apollo astronauts there's the testimony of of this

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is a famous greer testimony of donna hare she was a former nasa employee who claimed that nasa would

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airbrush ufos out of various satellite imagery or space imagery but i i agree but it already is somehow

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it seems like nasa is almost disconnected nasa feels a little bit to me like it's a little bit

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left out of the club nasa is pretty underfunded nasa doesn't have some of the most cutting-edge

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technology i i think at least to me it seems like a lot of the cutting-edge technology and actual craft

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materials are not relegated to space exploration and seeing mars it's relegated to tactical reconnaissance

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it's relegated to asymmetrical warfare advantages and that stuff's going to be kept in the deep black of

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the military and intelligence community yeah i think who was it that was telling me i think it was

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jason georgiani was telling me a story of a guy who i think he worked at nasa but was like shown

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something um and then he got like hit on his bike he got killed like riding his bike like after that

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oh i'm trying to god who was that i think we talked about this with kevin knuth as well

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there was some guy or no maybe jesse talked about it with rogan too there was some guy who basically

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was like shown photo oh this was this has something to do with the moon he was shown something on the

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moon oh carl wolf that's that's who it was carl wolf yes yes and he was killed yeah and i think joe made

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a joke like doesn't look like he biked enough because he was a little bit on the portly side

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yeah carl wolf talked about anomalies on the moon and how uh i think what they spoke about is carl wolf

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was privy to some of these images and was like gobsmacked and so excited for the upcoming news

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to show structures he saw it he's like oh my god this is going to be released and it never got

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released yeah that's that you know that's another greer whistleblower i maybe there is some

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interesting stuff on the moon i know jesse and joe were talking about the dark side of the moon how

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you know the moon's tidally locked so a lot of the time the dark side faces away from us but also

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there was a recent there was a guy on sean ryan it was a recent general i can't remember what

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branch of service but was talking about how the chinese are mining helium three on the moon oh really

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for power sources that's crazy because we haven't had a we haven't the us hasn't had a person out of

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lower thorough orbit since like 1972 right why that's on that unless we have arv that are traversing

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our solar system which is possible because you know like gary mckinnon right he's the nasa he's the

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nasa hacker in 2002 i think it was the guy who lives outside the states now yes he hacked into various dod

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databases and found like a non-terrestrial officers list and uh i can't remember the ship but he he saw an

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image of like a huge saucer shaped i'm sorry cigar shaped craft in front of one of our jovian planets

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so who you know there's there's the whole secret space program stuff that ssp with like cory goode

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in the 23 and back that's all really out there stuff that i don't really subscribe to but you know

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maybe there is uh maybe there have been arvs that have been taken for a spin outside of uh outside of

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earth yeah the moon stuff is odd moon stuff is odd the the the moon landing stuff is really odd too

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because uh i know it's uh it's frowned upon to to question the moon land yeah um but like there's a

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lot of really big questions that like need answers about the moon landing like like how did they how do

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they lose all of the data right on the moon landing stuff they they claim that if you i asked chat gpt

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chat gpt will tell you that the response or the the answer to why they lost all of that information

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in that data is because they accidentally overwrote their hard drives like they used those hard drives

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then they to rewrite stuff and they accidentally like erased it or whatever so so now we have none of

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that technology that seems like a i forgot my homework type statement as a kid yeah it is and it's

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like it's also the only it's also the only technological feat in any sort of uh industry

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or any sort of technology that hasn't event advanced or like exponentially grown since it was first

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implemented right right yeah because we were talking about the dsrvs right the deep submergence rescue

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vehicles those had when they were created in 19 when they were operational in 1972 they had better

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computing systems than even the latest apollo lunar modules so there wasn't the best and brightest

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technology and innovation in these apollo systems it was pretty mundane technology that never seemed to

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to innovate yeah and i've never heard i even asked kevin about this when i was on when we were on here

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i asked about that van allen radiation belt stuff and like you know how is it is it really that toxic or

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you know have we not been able to send anyone through that van allen radiation belt and i haven't heard

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anyone give me a reasonable explanation as to why what is how we can get through that and like why

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because apparently like the russians sent like a dog through the van allen radiation belt and it died

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like a day after the claim there is that the van allen radiation belt like destroy either keeps either

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destroyed the footage that we had at the moon landing or oh yeah it kind of keeps us close to home

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basically it's toxic for a human to pass through which right it's this the ladder okay it's both it's

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toxic like a leg according to um this guy we had in here uh bart sybrell who has all these documentaries

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about oh yeah yeah he claims that no human can survive passing through that van allen radiation belt

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unless we have shielded arv materials right right unless we have shielded arv materials but then he was

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like we we would have been going to the moon you know ever since then but yeah but we have it and we

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keep saying every single president every single president has said since bush oh yeah since that happened

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i think jimmy carter was the first one said we're gonna go we're gonna go back to the moon and then

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you know even trump has said multiple times we're gonna go back to the moon but the moon landing

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that the moon missions keep getting pushed back pushed back and it just recently got pushed back

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again yeah from it's supposed to happen september this year and now they're saying it's gonna happen

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like june of next year remember we were supposed to go to mars in 2025 and even back in the the 60s and

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70s out of the rand corporation and stuff there were all sorts of plans for lunar bases and like lunar

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tunnel systems for trains huge plants what none of these there was supposed to be maglev systems on

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underground on the moon like yeah maglev trains and none of this ever transpired it it is curious

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the the whole the whole moon is the apollo missions there's a lot to chew on there and i've never really

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taken the time to sit through and sift through it but it's so interesting and that period of time

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in the middle of the cold war was when the united states was there was so much deception and so much

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happening around that i mean the kennedy assassination cover-up you know watergate

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you know mk ultra that was that was all happening at the same exact time the moon missions happened

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so and you know it's just there's so many questions and you know the fact that anyone who questions it is

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is automatically painted as a fool yeah yeah anything should be questioned one of the speaking about

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exploring our own solar system on our own moon what we talked about the the flux liner alien

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reproduction vehicle i forgot to mention one of the interesting things brad sorenson said is

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that some of these suit and ties showing off the flux liner claimed that the flux liner had been

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taken to various places in our solar system because this thing flew at basically this the speed of

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flight using zero point energy systems and that our own solar system was devoid of of other intelligent

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life which probably but so that's interesting so there's always a world there's always a possible

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world in which either gary mckinnon's uh non-terrestrial officers or the flux liner alien

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reproduction vehicles out zipping by jupiter or saturn which gosh that would be intriguing yeah catherine

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fits is so she uh sent me this book called uh i think it's called the rings of saturn have you heard of

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this i think so we're allegedly like back in the i forget which year it was but i get there's a photo

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of the first probe that got like really close to saturn took a photo of the uh the ring around

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saturn and the i haven't read the book yet but but apparently the claim of the book is that they found

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like some sort of weird looking vehicle that was like whoa parked inside of the ring of saturn i i think

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i've i've heard this i think i've heard this in passing but i don't really know anything about it

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wow yeah it's just interesting somebody like her who's so smart right and she's uh you know

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she's a math wizard you know she she she looks at this stuff and she's been in the government and

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she's she's a very reasonable rational rational uh smart human being also like believes in all this

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stuff like you know taking all this stuff from the nazis and and uh creating a breakaway civilization

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of bankers trying to get off the the freaking earth in case something happens and um you know all this ufo

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stuff it's like a it's a weird thing for someone like her to be interested in but like you know

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she's a very credible person yeah and she's really hip to the kind of ufo lore and the ufo subject she

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had like a series of 20 like 25 interviews over the years on dark journalist and i watched every

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research yeah oh she is like over 20 everything from like the ufo economy 1.0 to 3.0 to so many

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things and she's really dialed in with a lot of these subjects she blew my mind when she was explaining

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uh like elon's doge uh when she was explaining like like elon created doge to find all this waste fraud

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and abuse right but he's getting he's taking uh auditing like the irs social security the hhs

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and not looking at the black hole of the trillions of dollars missing from the pentagon

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yeah like and and her what she was saying was that elon's deliberately trying to like get all of

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this data from the irs and the hhs because it's you know you could have all the data on all the human

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beings inside of the united states and integrate that with xai and palantir ai and elon's been you know

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on record talking about how he loves china's wechat you know the wechat is the oh yeah

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it's everything it's basically payment social media texting like it's all it all is all funneled

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through this centralized wechat and and um the fact that he's you know talked so highly of the wechat

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thing and how he wants to create turn twitter into his own wechat and simultaneously working with

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palantir and integrating all this stuff and using all of the hhs social security and irs data to

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integrate it with the ai is and working with palantir who just got like a like an 800 million

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dollar contract two weeks ago uh i don't think there's any uh optimistic outcome no of doing

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something like that no and he was also uh this recent uh falling out with him and trump oh my

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goodness part of it had something to do with uh elon really wanted this specific person to be the head

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of nasa and trump said no i don't want that guy to be the head of nasa because he said something was

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fishy about him or something what that twitter beef came out of nowhere that was really shocking to see

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because then of course uh elon implicated trump in the epstein files and he said that's why they're not

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released so you just can leave the tweet too yeah things got ugly really fast and so you're saying

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you're not optimistic about uh this kind of doge platform a because we would lead towards a even

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closer towards a ccp national security state with that centralized processing and that probably wouldn't

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even get to the bottom of where these dollars are going right yeah apparently apparently all you know

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all the places that elon was looking for waste fraud and abuse pales in comparison to what the

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pentagon is missing and the trillions of dollars like why didn't he go look for that because those

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are funneled into black holes and they're so one of the things i i really want to understand that i

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really can't for ufo programs which you know i'm interested in katherine austin fitz is interested in

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is the creative accounting around them you know what i i think i i can't definitively prove it but i

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think there are numerous vehicles in which to fund these programs like we talked about earlier

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idiq indefinite delivery indefinite quantity contracts idc contracts sole source contracts cash

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transactions skimming off contracts overcharging uh all sort of siphoning off funds leftover funds

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end of fiscal year the amount of creative accounting must be a nightmare to to try and track any of it

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right that's why it would be great if we had a ufo whistleblower that actually worked in legacy

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program accounting that that'd be a couple of some people's dream that'd be katherine

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katherine austin fits his dream yeah yeah for sure it would be but like again it's refreshing to

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see somebody like her looking at it from the looking at it through the lens of accounting yeah

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you know and it needs to be done because especially for the subject of like deep underground military

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bases back in the 60s and 70s the us army corps of engineer like we talked about published a ton of

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studies on deep underground facilities and would often go through cost evaluation and and discussed

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level costs and kind of come to conclusions that these bases could be constructed they could be

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constructed in pre-existing cavities without uh too much expenditure out of out of the budget and

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there's also discussion that some of these tunnels between these underground bases are used are of

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course cored out via tunnel boring machines tbms but that a lot of these projects to find these

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dollars we might have to look at the bureau of reclamation that have dug out tunnels all across

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the united states for waterways for aqueducts aqueducts etc and how these might have some

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clandestine secondary operations to track those monies and one of the questions with these uh these

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underground bases and these bunkers that people are building like if they're if there's some sort

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of like catastrophe and that's the main idea of people that build their own bunkers is like how

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how are you going to power it once you run out of fuel like like i don't do they have some sort of

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like crazy special energy they could also self-contained nuclear reactors but i mean if that ever happened

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you know you and i'd be screwed i i live in in denver there's a massive fema continuity of

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government site under denver oh yeah i'm not going in there there's mount weather like we're not going in

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there all of these sites a lot of them are for continuity of government but then there's deeper

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layers there's there's huge stiffs existing around and a lot of them are provable for example the manzano

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storage area at sandia national labs is an acknowledged stiff an area under los alamos

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national labs also in new mexico is an acknowledged stiff and then there are uh the army corps of engineers

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there's historical conspiracies of massive underground facilities below china lake

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right in california naval air weapons center china lake really creepy place and places like yuma

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proving ground in arizona and back in the 60s the u.s army corps of engineers did a ton of deep basing

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site studies and and show that specifically i think it's imio county where china lake is and then yuma

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county arizona are perfect spots where natural cavities exist where massive underground facilities can be

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built without having to core out any more rock so some of these places there are some u.s army corps of

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engineer studies that some of these underground locations can be located up to 8 000 feet underground

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8 000 god that's crazy yeah i would imagine they probably also have i i mean if i was to bet i would

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imagine they they have to have some sort of setup on the moon like some sort of base oh agree if we

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actually did go to the moon in 69 and 70 and you know during those apollo missions i would find it

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hard to believe that that we haven't set up something there to like at least back up the data of humanity

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you know because if if there is some sort of like crazy catastrophe that wipes out most of civilization

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it's going to be like it's going to wipe out our technology and the the data that we have and you

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would want to offload that you would want to keep that safe somewhere for humanity to eventually reset

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somewhere oh yeah and if if you do have a secret space program that uses some types of conventional

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rocketry where you have to overcome the earth's escape velocity it makes far more sense to station

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some of those assets on the moon where you don't have to consistently overcome that as such an escape

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velocity yeah so it makes perfect sense yeah and of course the rand system and other uh other uh ffrdc's

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incorporations of interest we're doing studies of of maglev systems below the moon's surface which if

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if we've done it here which i believe we have i i think it's definitely possible on a place like our moon

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yeah especially if we have stuff like the tr3b for logistics and a right to transport some stuff from what

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you know what michael herrera talked about that huge octagon craft that he saw in indonesia that

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was able to fit multiple containers carrying people according to him and jake as well as

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massive trucks able to zip together and fly off right so that sounds like a perfect perfectly suitable

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logistics transportation craft that you could use to shuttle materials or building materials

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construction materials supplies logistics to a place like the moon if you want to have a

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off-planet base yeah totally man well bro thank you for doing this thank you danny fucking amazing

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do you tell people your real name uh i think jesse said it once so it's it's okay okay so yes so go

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by saying i didn't know if you're keeping it secret oh no problem i just don't like when uh uh marines

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try and scare me by saying my full name yeah because he did the full s i think he i'm trying to remember

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but he did the full mr samuel like full name so yeah but thank you brother for having me this has been

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an honor and this is the coolest studio i've ever seen oh thanks bro yeah we've been working on it for a

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while but we're about to move so it's gonna go oh nice what um are you working on anything else

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like coming up people should look forward to yeah absolutely so uh whenever one project's done i'm

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always working on the next um i don't know what's gonna be released by now it may be a big project on

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saic or it may be another interview with a former uh navy commander with some really interesting

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knowledge on like the wilson davis notes and stuff but in between my videos always expect another one in

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about four weeks time as soon as one ends i'm working another one there you go that's the

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channel the videos will always be about crash retrieval reverse engineering material exploitation

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uh i try and uh lay the topics out as as best as possible if you want to start on one uh video for

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for new viewers maybe the the navy one because that that one that one's really interesting or maybe

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the jonathan waygant or alien reproduction vehicle corso grumman i i don't know the way one is

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fucking phenomenal the uh that one right there reverse engineering at edwards that's the story

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of ed the guy i told you about so that that's always one interesting that ko yum i don't know

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man they're all they're all fun to me that's why i make them it's a it's a rabbit hole man and once

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you start watching you can't stop it pulls you right in oh i know if the subject is so difficult

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to parse through but hopefully hopefully a couple years from now we'll we'll have this subject ironed out

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a little bit yeah we'll see and hopefully the uap da the new legislation to be entered into the

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2026 national defense authorization act gets passed because what that does quickly is that aims to set

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up a independent review board appointed by the president confirmed by the senate of like civilian

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experts to help roll out a responsible disclosure plan uh formerly it was uh uh mcconnell and rand

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paul i think that blocked this uh from the senate and then senate communicating with the house to get

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this passed so and i think there was some involvement of mike turner uh former rep that that uh he's the

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ohio guy right right patterson and then there's even some uh rumors of like the eminent domain

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discussion being talked about by uh travis taylor and jay stratton so i i truly hope that if that

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legislation gets introduced again which i believe it will that that can finally get passed and we can

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finally start to peer behind the 1954 atomic energy act well cool man i learned a lot thank you again for

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your time thank you brother we'll link all the stuff below and that's all folks all right appreciate it

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