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You know a lot of people I interview have had fleeting interactions in one-off instances.
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You know they've been abducted by a gray or they've you know interacted with a tall white or a Nordic.
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You've had years of interactions with all three but mostly with the tall whites.
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There was this giant white radioactive horse that floated around the ranges at night and was fluorescent.
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The extraterrestrials when they come even if they're your good friends there's always attention because they always come heavily armed.
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Today's amazing guest on American Alchemy has seen the inside of a UFO.
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He's a first-hand witness to the collaboration between human beings and aliens from another world.
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He's even made an alien laugh.
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Charles Hall was in the Air Force. He was also stationed at the notorious Area 51.
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While stationed there he was in regular contact with an alien race that he calls the tall whites for two years.
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This conversation is absolutely wild.
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There's a guy at NASA who has a deep interest in these sorts of things, experiencers.
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His name is Timothy Taylor. Have you heard of him by any chance?
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Did you say Timothy Taylor?
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He's a good friend of ours.
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We're going to be talking about aliens going to the bathroom, what powers a UFO, and theories of subatomic physics that overturn Einstein.
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Before we get into it I want to introduce our guest Charles Hall.
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Hall enlisted in the US Air Force in 1964 when he was just 19 years old.
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He trained as a weather observer, measuring wind speeds, cloud cover, and visibility.
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From 1965 to 1967 he was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada.
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His job included long, isolated tours at the Indian Springs gunnery ranges.
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He was out in the desert doing routine weather observations when he started noticing strange figures.
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Tall, pale, glowing shapes moving at a distance.
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At first he thought they were ghosts, or maybe hallucinations brought on by solitude.
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Other observers had similar experiences.
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They called it the legend of Range 4 Harry, a ghostly radioactive horse roaming the desert.
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One observer was even injured in an encounter with something and given a medical discharge.
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Others flat out refused to return to the post.
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But Hall was very different.
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Something about who he was meant that he wasn't going to break like the others had.
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And both his commanders and these tall white beings seemed to take notice.
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In this isolated crucible he began slowly interacting with the tall whites.
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These beings would stalk him and test him, appear suddenly, and vanish.
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Slowly gauging his reactions.
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But he eventually learned this unwritten language.
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And although there were some painful setbacks, he gradually developed a trust.
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He saw family groups, parents, children, elders.
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He would even end up referring to one of them as something like a brother.
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Hall claims that the tall whites lived in underground facilities at the north end of Indian Springs Valley, complete with hangers for their craft.
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A story bearing striking resemblance to that of Bob Lazar.
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He learned about their different flying crafts.
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And as you'll see in our conversation, what he saw comports with much of what we've learned about UAPs since 2017.
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But the tall whites were not the only alien race described in this story.
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Hall has talked about the greys.
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The small, frail, large-headed humanoids that matched the classic Roswell image.
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The tall white technology was better than the technology of the greys.
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But the greys come from a planet that's closer than the planet the tall whites come from.
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And the greys got here first.
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And then there are the Nordics.
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What you'll hear Hall refer to as the Norwegians with the 24 teeth.
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Hall described them as more patient, more diplomatic, even benevolent compared to the tall whites.
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Some of them could pass among humans in the public, sometimes blending into crowds.
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There is no end to the speculation about how these alien species, who Hall suggests have been here for thousands of years,
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might have interacted with humanity's evolution or social development.
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If all of this sounds crazy, well, yeah, I don't blame you.
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And trust me, we've only scratched the surface here.
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I personally don't even know what to make about this conversation.
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There are things Charles Hall is about to say that feel beyond the pale to me.
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So that's my primer for you.
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Without further ado, please welcome this week's amazing American alchemist, Charles Hall.
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I am here with Charles Hall.
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It's an honor to have you.
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It's been a long time coming.
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You're the subject of an amazing documentary by Emil Marzak called Walking with the Tall Whites.
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But you've also written a series of amazing books called Millennial Hospitality.
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You have six volumes.
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There's six volumes.
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You have six volumes at this point.
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And you've interacted with, you know, a lot of people I interview have had fleeting interactions in one-off instances.
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You know, they've been abducted by a gray or they've, you know, interacted with a tall white or a Nordic.
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You've had years of interactions with all three, but mostly with the tall whites.
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And I really want to dive into that.
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But first, I want to talk about your Hall photon theory.
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You believe that Einstein is wrong and has limited physics, stagnated it for the last century.
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And so, let's get into that.
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I'm quite certain Einstein was wrong.
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And I've also written books entitled Beyond Relativity.
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And I've done a rumble video entitled Mirage Galaxies and Edges in Space.
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Edges is spelled with capital letters because it's a zone.
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And I've also done a second film with Emil Marzak, which discusses that, called Walking with the Tall White's Aftermath.
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And I've also, that's all copyrighted Hall photon theory.
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I first copyrighted Hall photon theory in 1997.
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And I'm quite certain that there are many more particles, subatomic particles, and many more types of force fields which exist in the real world.
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And that's why relativity is not correct, because relativity doesn't take those into account.
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And for context for the audience, you are extremely smart.
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You have a master's degree in nuclear physics, and you scored off the charts on one of these math tests before joining the Army.
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I was in the Air Force, and what you say is correct.
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I got one wrong out of 500 on the Air Force math ability test.
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It was the one I was marking as I was marking the correct answer as the clock had sounded, and they were ripping the answer sheet from my cold hands.
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They'd just given me 10 more seconds, and I'd have got them all.
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That's amazing. But you told me off-air that what inspired this Hall photon theory was you actually seeing a craft and realizing it could go faster than light.
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So you were stationed at Area 51?
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Well, I was a weather observer in the U.S. Air Force, and I was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base from March of 1965 until May of 1967.
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And Nellis is in charge of the gunnery ranges at Indian Springs, and I was a duty weather observer at Indian Springs.
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Area 51 is just in the 60s, 1965, was just the entry area to the areas, and the areas went up to number 60, and I've been in all of them.
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The areas were assembled into lands.
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The area 51 was not actually Dreamland itself. It was merely Groom Lake.
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Dreamland was Area 53 and 54, which was the northern half of Indian Springs Valley, and then the valley to the east, Dogbone Valley, and part of the valley to the west, including French Peak.
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The biggest shock was not that extraterrestrials were here on Earth and had been ever since at least the Ice Age.
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The biggest shock that I felt was discovering that Einstein was wrong about relativity.
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The craft that the tall whites and the grays came in, the Roswell grays came in, could easily exceed the speed of light by many times.
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The tall white technology was better than the technology of the grays, but the grays come from a planet that's closer than the planet the tall whites come from, and the grays got here first.
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So I would guess that 90% of the time that you see an actual extraterrestrial craft, it's one of the gray craft, and about 10% of the time it's one of the tall white craft.
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And the grays are much more numerous for that reason.
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I remember the shock when I really, truly understood that Einstein was wrong about relativity.
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I was out at Range 3 as the duty weather observer.
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And this was in the mid-1960s.
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This was like in 1965, the late summer.
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And there was a six-week or two-month period where I was certain that the tall white individuals who identified themselves as the teacher and Range 4 Harry and tour guide, who were my good friends, that they had taken a vacation or a business trip somewhere, and that they weren't on this planet, and that they had gone to some other inhabited planet.
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Orbiting some other star.
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A reasonable guess would have been the star Arcturus or a star near Arcturus.
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And then they came back.
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I believe they'd been on a business trip slash vacation-type trip.
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Now, Arcturus is 36 light years away, and the nearest star, Alpha Centauri, is almost four light years away.
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It's a group of three stars.
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And to go anywhere and come back to another star, the craft you were on had to travel quite a few times faster than the speed of light, like 44 times or something minimum, just to go there and come back in two months.
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I think a lot of people in the audience might hear that they're coming back and forth from, you know, a star system that is 36 light years away and want to know some core details as to what you are seeing.
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Do you see crafts coming in?
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And what did the crafts look like?
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On the night of the full moon or a few days before or a few days after.
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But their base at the north end of Indian Springs, they were using Dogbone Lake as their landing field.
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What did the crafts look like?
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Yeah, like eggs, like white eggs.
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They were egg-shaped.
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Are they of the kind of, you know, David Fravor, 2004, the Nimitz sighting, where you have a tic-tac?
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Or was it like the egg that Jake Barber or, you know, Socorro, New Mexico, 64?
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You know, those are two different shapes.
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When I first saw them, it reminded me the most of like a large version of the engine of a passenger train.
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Only with everything rounded like an egg.
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There were no sharp edges, no sharp protrusions.
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Just smooth and round like a round.
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Any hieroglyphics or symbols?
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When you went on, their writing is hieroglyphics more so.
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Their writing, if you didn't know Egyptian hieroglyphics, some, a couple of the guys that were with me who had seen them thought that they were ancient Egyptians who had somehow or another gotten into Indian Springs Valley and trapped there, and were still using their own hieroglyphics.
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A couple of the other range men, yeah.
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And they can stand right there in front of you.
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I speak from direct experience.
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And if they feel like talking to each other using sounds too high for a human to hear, they'll do so.
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And if you didn't know better, you'd think they were able to do telepathy.
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Because they'll be sitting there in total silence and one will laugh, and then they'll be going through a complete conversation.
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And, of course, their electronics also are able to tell what a person is thinking and to put thoughts in the conscious part of their mind by electronic means.
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Why do you think that?
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From direct experience.
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Did they have a device that could implant thoughts?
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Yeah, only it wasn't a big device that they had to carry in their hands.
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It was one that they'd carry like on a helmet or whatever, you know?
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And what's the broader context here?
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Are you sort of this rogue Air Force range men or do the other range men and superiors, are they aware of this ET presence coexisting alongside you guys at this testing complex?
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And is it sort of a, there's just this kind of awareness that there's this cohabitation there?
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The Pentagon had a tiny handful of people that knew they were, that interacted with them.
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The range maintenance men, a few knew they were there, but most of them just knew about the legend of Range 4 Harry.
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The range, the legend of Range 4 Harry was that there was this giant white radioactive horse that,
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floated around the ranges at night and was fluorescent and supposedly was a horse that had gotten too close to the bomb blasts at Yucca Platts.
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And you'd see him on warm summer nights from a distance and you could stay, but you needed to stay away from him.
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And he was called Range 4 Harry.
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Now there was an actual tall white guy with the name Range 4 Harry.
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And the tall whites, when they were wearing their protective suits, could form up into a high-speed horse formation.
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Like if there were a typical one, as if there were two women, a couple, three kids, children, and two men,
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the two women would be in front and bend over at the waist and bend forward and put their arms out like that, some usually, and they would be the front of the horse.
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And then the three children, who remember their suits, the technology of them, allowed them to float nine or ten inches off the ground.
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They could float a lot higher if they wanted to, but they had to balance themselves.
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And the children would float, whose suits were a slightly different design, would float higher so that they were floating at about the waist level.
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So you'd have the two women in front and the three children.
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Then at the back, you'd have the two men who had bigger suits and more powerful packs, and they would bend over the children.
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So if you saw them when they were out in the desert, say a quarter mile away, when they all turned on their suits, the force fields from around those suits merged into one.
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And I speak from direct experience.
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You would swear there was a giant white floating horse coming at you from out in the desert.
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Now, that horse could, when they were in that formation, the reason I call it the high-speed horse formation is because when they—I personally watched them when they wanted to go somewhere with—when they were out hiking, say like, and they wanted to go somewhere fast, they could form up into that formation,
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and they could reach speeds of 100 miles an hour over the desert by floating up above the ground and just going zoom.
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I used to watch them play at the runways at Indian Springs Air Base on summer nights as the way tobogganists did, where they would pretend they were airplanes taking off.
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And then when they got to the end, they would lift up and go over the fence around the runway and go out in the desert and turn around and pretend they were airplanes doing touch and goes.
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Why do you think they were allowed to operate independently on kind of American military grounds?
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So the superiors were kind of unaware of it?
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The base for them was like a foreign embassy.
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And they've been here since the Ice Age.
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Do you think it was the nuclear testing that, like, created some sort of Wheeler Tunnel or something that they traveled through?
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Or, like, why there? Why do you think they set up shop there?
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I'm certain that the Greys got here first, and they were here before the last Ice Age.
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And that the Tall Whites got here second, and they were here by at least the middle of the last Ice Age.
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And the Norwegians with 24 teeth got here towards the end of the last Ice Age.
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The Tall Whites have the best technology.
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The Greys have really good technology.
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The Norwegians are just barely able to travel in space and make it here.
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When you look at the bases and where the Tall Whites and the Greys are, you have to look at the way they were in the Ice Age.
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There's a place out in the deserts that I was in.
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It's out in one of the most desolate sections of the Western deserts that you can imagine.
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There's a L-shaped valley with mountains on both, desert mountains on both sides.
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And then there's a valley on the northern side.
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But in the southern side, the valley is an L-shaped valley, and there's a dry lake bed,
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a small dry lake bed on the southern side, and a huge amphitheater-type set of ground
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that the Greys farmed during the Ice Age.
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And in the mountain on the west, they'd cut 13 tunnels in the mountain on the west,
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and they used them as a granary.
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And the first one on the north was larger than the others,
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and it was large enough for their deep spacecraft to come in and pick up grain.
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And the 13th one overlooked the fields.
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And at the top of the L-shaped valley and at the bottom of the L-shaped valley,
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the mountains form a constriction.
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So if you were a gray teenager with an appropriate weapon, and you were sitting there,
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you could monitor both entrances.
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And so if any Ice Age animals came in to eat the grain, because they're plant-eaters,
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the tall whites and the grays do not eat meat, they're only plant-eaters,
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you could keep them out and protect you, and protect, keep them from eating your food.
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And when you asked, and when you looked at the valley on the west,
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you could see the ancient water lines from how high the lake had been during different stages of the Ice Age.
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Now, central Nevada was never glaciated.
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It was only—it was just that in the Ice Age, because the weather was different,
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it rained lots and lots, like it does in Kentucky.
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And so those dry—those lake beds were not glacial lakes.
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They weren't glacial carved.
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They were paluvial lakes, the Latin word for rain.
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And therefore, the bottom—those lake beds were flat,
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and the land leading into them were perfect places to farm.
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And what you were looking at was a granary,
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a farm that the grays used during the Ice Age.
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So it sounds like there are all these unique reasons as to why,
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as an extraterrestrial presence, you'd set up shop in that area.
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This is a really interesting point.
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Something I kept coming back to while preparing for this conversation
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was this strange possibility of,
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what if Area 51's weirdness didn't start because it's a military base?
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What if the base was put there because of a pre-existing weirdness in the region?
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As Charles points out, the broader pattern is hard to ignore.
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Many of the most restricted military ranges and test sites sit in the same kind of landscapes.
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Remote deserts, mountain valleys, and high plains.
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And sometimes, Native American burial grounds.
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Sure, there are practical reasons for this when it comes to testing weapons and spy planes.
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But often these places were tied up in UFO sightings, cryptid creatures,
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electromagnetic anomalies, before military bases were even placed on them.
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Many were even seen to be portals to other dimensions.
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Maybe it isn't just a coincidence.
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Maybe the military wasn't just picking up empty land,
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but claiming ground that was very unusual.
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To put it bluntly, maybe military bases often like to co-locate themselves with very strange paranormal areas.
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Skinwalker Ranch in Northeastern Utah is perhaps the most public example.
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I've been there myself, and you've no doubt heard the stories.
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It's probably the most scientifically studied paranormal hotspot in the world.
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At least on the civil side.
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Multiple UFO sightings, glowing orbs, cattle mutilations, and even reports of orange portals opening up in the air.
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But it also has its former military connections.
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There was a U.S. Army outpost in the region in the 19th century.
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And today, it sits not far from Dugway Proving Grounds.
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In the 2000s, billionaire and government contractor Robert Bigelow received Pentagon funding through the OSAP program to research the ranch.
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Well, folklore from the Utah tribe had already marked the land as cursed, prowled by shapeshifters.
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That was long before the Pentagon made it a research site.
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And if you zoom out, the geography is interesting, too.
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You can draw a rough triangle between Area 51, Skinwalker Ranch, and Roswell.
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Other paranormal hotspots with co-located military activity exist all over the United States.
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For example, Sedona, Arizona.
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Local legends speak of tunnels and gateways hidden in the cliffs, where star people pass through shimmering portals.
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The Bradshaw Ranch there became famous for UFO sightings, investigated not long ago by Ross Colthart.
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Eventually, the site was taken over by the U.S. government.
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A move that raised some eyebrows.
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Why seize a random rural property in Arizona unless there was something they felt needed securing?
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To this day, locals still report black helicopters circling overhead and interference with drones near the area.
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It fits the pattern.
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Land fenced off not just for practical reasons, but because of whatever it is said to be in the land itself.
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Land that seems full of electromagnetic anomalies.
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And perhaps the same tunnels in land that are occupied by the tall whites.
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And that brings us back to Nevada.
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It's easy to forget that Area 51 isn't just one base.
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It's part of a vast test range anchored by Nellis, swallowing up thousands of square miles of desert.
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Charles gets into this in just a moment, but the history of how this whole area ended up getting claimed by the government doesn't quite add up.
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Especially when it became a herd of desert sheep suddenly becoming an issue of national security.
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And it begs the very important question.
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How much of this pattern extends overseas?
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Look at where the United States has planted some of its overseas bases.
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Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.
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Pine Gap in Outback Australia.
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Sprawling compounds in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Some of these sites already had their own unusual reputations amongst locals.
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Or maybe some other uses to our alien visitors from out of town.
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Do you think it's a coincidence then that you get Area 51 and some of the most top secret advanced R&D when it comes to the American military co-located on that area?
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I subscribe to the Marine Corps theory.
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If it happened once, it would be a coincidence.
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If it happened twice, I'm sorry, if it happened once, it would be random.
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If it happened twice, it would be a coincidence.
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But the third time you see it's there, somebody planned it.
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Now, remember what else is out there?
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The Desert Game Range National Park.
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Now, the Desert Game Range was set up in the time of Franklin D. Roosevelt.
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It was what I talk about in my book.
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And it was like 1935 or 1937.
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For some reason, FDR just got up all by himself.
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And after talking with a single Army Colonel, Army Air Force Colonel, decided that the Desert Bighorn Sheep, who live in the mountains like Sheep Peak, for which it's named, and the mountains to the east, must be an endangered species.
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You say, wait a minute, this is 1937.
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I didn't realize we had endangered species until 1970 or something.
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And by executive order said, we've got to make that a protected area to protect the Desert Bighorn Sheep.
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And if you're out there hiking and you see something, in the words of the park rangers, that looks like a human looking at you from over the sagebrush, which may be as tall as six feet, don't look back.
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Especially if it looks like a woman with children, because the bighorn sheep don't like that.
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Just look away and walk away.
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And in 1937, in order to protect the sheep, and that we're talking before World War II, Franklin Roosevelt and the Army Air Force decided that they would station a battalion of anti-aircraft guns with live ammo to protect it.
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So in case it, so it wouldn't be subject to Japanese air attack.
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And it was all that specific area.
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In that specific area.
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And that was the Desert Bighorn.
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Before there was an Area 51, before there was a Nellis Gunnery Range, before there was a Camp Mercury or anything, there was the Desert Southwest Game Range.
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So that's the first time there.
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And you say that, so the sheep are being protected by an anti-aircraft crews that have live ammo, and they're open to fire at any airplane that goes across there in 1937.
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And FDR just said, well, I want the sheep to be safe.
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And that's why it's called Sheep Peak.
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And I say when you look at it, Sheep Peak seems like a pretty easy place to climb.
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Why is it that the first time, as a matter of record, that anyone climbed it was 1970?
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You say, well, we did Mount Everest before that, right?
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Well, it sounds like, you know, protecting sheep with, you know, anti-aircraft technology, the most advanced at the time.
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Yeah, well, it seems like if you'd fire a few live rounds, wouldn't you kind of scare them a little bit, right?
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So based on your rule, if it's like, you know, fool me once, okay, fool me twice, fine, fool me three times, you know, that's sort of a, you know, that's not a coincidence anymore.
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What's the second time?
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What's the second time before Area 51, which gets set up in the 50s, that suspicious military or covert activity occurs in the region that might have to do with the ET presence?
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Well, remember how good their technology is, the technology of the whites and the technology of the grays.
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And I do not exaggerate.
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I speak from direct experience.
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When you say, if they came here in the ice age, and in order to, and they're plant eaters, and in order for, to get a little help with harvesting grain and doing manual labor and things like that, there's nobody out in Nevada, where would they get that from?
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Remember how good their technology is.
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And I speak from direct experience.
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If they wanted to use the scout craft, which is, oh, the tall white scout craft or the gray scout craft, both of which I've personally seen.
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And in the time I've been talking, if they wanted to say, lift off from the backyard and go to the moon and circumnavigate the moon to check up on what's going on in the far side of the moon and return and land in the backyard right here, they would have already done so.
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That's how good their technology is.
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One of the things I personally watched them do from a distance, because if you get too close, the fields will burn you like a microwave, but like from a distance of say, like two and a half, three miles, was to lift, was to go onto the scout craft and sit down in the seats.
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No seat belts or anything, just chairs like this.
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And lift power up and power up the, not the outer coils, but just the bottom and control coils and lift off until they were floating perhaps as far off the desert or above the sagebrush as the height the camera is.
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And then take a few seconds, like 30 seconds, to power up completely the outer coils.
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It takes a few seconds to do so.
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When they do so, before they do so, the craft looks the way you're expecting.
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If you saw a helicopter out there, you'd see the actual metal of the helicopter.
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But after they're powered up, they just look real fuzzy white, like a Tic Tac, because they're surrounded with force fields.
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You no longer see the actual metal, you just see the force field and the way it's fuzzing over light and interacting with it.
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Once they're powered up, they're ready for high speed maneuvers.
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If they choose to go straight down the line of sight, they can go seven miles at an average speed of 8,000 to 12,000 miles an hour, stop, power down, and set down.
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And in the process, they would have taken more than 15,000 Gs starting and 15,000 Gs stopping, just sitting there in the room like this.
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And in case you're wondering how much that is, 10,000 Gs will liquefy steel.
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What's the speed of light is like 86,000 miles per hour?
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So if they're going 8,000 to 10,000 miles per hour, there's still massive difference between that and speed of light.
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They're not even in low gear.
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They're not even in low gear.
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Yeah, not even in low gear.
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If they do that and they choose to go sideways, they'll go side, they'll just seem to blink out.
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You'll be looking there and they'll just seem to disappear before your eyes because they will have accelerated and moved to the side so fast your eyes can't follow.
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I speak from direct experience.
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And if you're looking up straight up Indian Springs Valley and they choose to pop over to Dogbone Valley and come down and then come in one of the northern passes to see what you're doing,
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it'll look like they just blinked out there and magically reappeared over there, less than a second or two later, if they were in the hands of a skilled pilot.
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A lot of people who still believe in Einstein will mistakenly say they went to another dimension.
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Really, they haven't.
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If you were in the way, the craft would run into you.
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There is no such thing as wormholes or warping space and time.
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What you're warping isn't space and time.
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You're interacting with other force fields that all matter has.
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And, you know, the same way that you might have an electric field of different shapes or a magnetic field of different shapes.
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But time never slows down.
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Time never runs in reverse.
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It always goes forward.
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Have you ever flown in a craft?
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A couple of times I did.
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Well, I was in the cargo hold at the time because there was, as I describe in my books, the day after I thought I'd broken my kneecap and then it healed up,
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there was the next morning when they came down to get me and take me up to their base at area 53 to see if I needed a surgery on my knee.
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And it was in the tall whites?
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And when I got up there, the American generals were there and medical people were up there too.
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And, but they had to prove, the tall whites had to prove to the Americans that they were telling them they're correct or wanted to prove that.
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And so they came down and grabbed me and put me in the hold of the cargo shop.
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And I still remember the trip up there and the trip back.
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No, they just, they just left, they just lifted off and we just went gently up the valley, perhaps a hundred feet off the ground.
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And I remember flying around Range 4s and made the turn around Range 4 and then going up the valley to the,
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they were going to the scout craft, the back entrance to their scout craft hangar.
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And the door was open and we went in there and then there was a whole bunch of them in there, but there were also American,
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an American general and some American medical people and the six sergeants that was,
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chief master sergeants that were the human guards for the human generals and the teacher in Range 4, Harry.
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And it was just like sitting here in a chair only in the cargo hold.
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And they didn't do it as, they didn't totally power up because they didn't have to.
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And it was, it was like sitting here in the chair and having the whole room just be lifted up and taken and come back.
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And it was remarkably unremarkable.
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The important part was that they thought they'd electronically hypnotize me, but their equipment doesn't work if you're sick or if you're angry or if you're really tired.
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And since I was, even though my knee was not broken, I was still experiencing some pain, you know, it was still tender.
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It meant that the way my thoughts, the blood flow in the brain was, was somewhat different than the way it would normally be.
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And so therefore, when you use the electronic hypnotism on me, that would normally have worked when I was ordinary,
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if I was healthy and well rested, it didn't quite do the job.
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It's almost like anesthesia that doesn't work during surgery or something.
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So I got to remember it.
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Arranged for a hearing, knew that was the case, but that was all he could do, yeah.
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Why do you think they chose you for all of this?
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Why do you think you were sort of picked to be endowed with this knowledge?
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Well, one time I asked a different person who was one of the top, identified himself as one of the top three psychiatrists at the CIA.
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One of the time I asked them why they chose me.
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Because I said I thought there were lots of men that were better at going out in the desert and surviving and doing fixing trucks and so on than myself,
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a lot of weather observers with more experience and so on than me.
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And he told me the following.
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And he had like nine PhDs hanging on the wall for different facets of psychiatry.
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And he was a very nice guy.
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He was surprisingly young, like in his 30s.
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He said that when he studied psychiatry, he was told that there was 105 different psychological defenses that humans might use.
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The most famous is whistling in the dark.
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He said that most humans only use one or two at the most.
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He said that one of the projects that he and the others usually did was trying to train colonels and generals on how to have more psychological defenses.
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They were hoping to get generals to use three or they always wanted them to use three.
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They were hoping they could get them to use four or five.
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And he said that he had told his…the other guys that were with him, psychiatrists, that some of the…there were a couple of…there were some generals he was trying to train.
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He thought he was going to get them to learn seven and he couldn't.
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They were going to hang in there at three.
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He said that the first time he met me, he was shocked because in the first 15 minutes,
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he saw me use the first 70 out of the 105.
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And he was certain I could use the other 100, the remainder of the 105.
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And you can see it in my books.
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He said the 41 men that went out before me, who all came back compromised and some of them burned,
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he said the problem they had, in his opinion, was that they recognized what they were up against or something of what they were up against before they understood how they were going to…had decided how they were going to react.
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And he said that, in…and therefore what happened was, in just the first encounter, their psychological defenses got destroyed.
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And he said that the reason they sent me, he said if there ever was a person to send it would be you.
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He said it's because they'll never lay a glove on you. They'll never…that, you know, that no matter what happens, you know, you have a defense for it. Okay?
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And they had evaluated that prior to sending you out to commune with the Ethians?
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Yeah. They'll let…they'll…they have a…you know, and you can see it in there in my…there was a time when I thought that the extraterrestrials,
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the extraterrestrial lady I was looking at, that I was hallucinating.
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And I was kind of surprised because I was kind of thinking that if I was going to hallucinate,
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I was alone out in the desert, I was young and single, that if I was going to hallucinate,
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that it would be more like a Las Vegas showgirl. And she wasn't, you know.
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And I thought, my God, how sick am I? I'm not even, you know, see?
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And she was laughing, she…because she could tell that I was thinking because of her electronic equipment, you see?
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See, and there was a time when I was…there was a time when I thought that it…that I must be short on vitamins,
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when they would come into my barracks at Indian Springs, and I would get up and I would see the children playing,
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and I thought, golly, I knew I should have drank more milk for supper. I must be short on vitamins and milk.
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And so I would take more vitamins and they would still keep coming. There was a time when I…
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But you're also debriefing with generals who are admitting that this is a phenomena that they're aware of,
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and that they're kind of working alongside these ETs. Is that right?
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No. I'm never debriefed.
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You're never debriefed?
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I'm never briefed. I'm never debriefed.
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But you're…are you talking to the generals about…
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Not only…that's not an accident. My orders are, I can never be briefed. I can never be debriefed.
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And the reason is very simple. Because the tall whites, like the teacher, can tell what a person is thinking,
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even if they're not talking. Well, if you're debriefed and they're very touchy about their children,
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if a briefing person were to say, what kind of mother is the teacher? You know, how does she treat her little girl?
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I mean, she was lost in the sagebrush and you saved her life. How did they let that happen? See, then they wouldn't have to ask me to tell them about it.
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See, they could tell it by just reading my thoughts. The next thing they would demand is that somebody, like that officer,
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be delivered to them out in the desert, and he wouldn't live another moment. Okay? Yeah.
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And she…I wouldn't have to say anything or do anything or say else…because she could just tell, oh yeah, I read Charlie and I see that happened.
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See? So when I say that no one could ever ask me questions, I could never be debriefed, nothing I would do would ever be classified.
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Like, no one could…I mean, they couldn't even inspect me. If they wanted to talk to me, they physically had to come out to the parking out of the chow hall at Indian Springs between noon and 1230,
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and I would meet them there if I felt like meeting them, or if I didn't, then they would just…and before they went out, they would have to check in with the base commander at Nellis,
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and when they came back, they had to go directly from checking on base to the base commander and say, yeah, I looked healthy and so on.
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And I could…and they couldn't come out and inspect my barracks or see anything.
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Have you…you mentioned the CIA psychiatrist who said that you had all these psychological defenses…
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…and that sort of allowed you to enter into relations with the ETAs…
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…and come back intact?
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No, it allowed me to protect my thoughts, the person I am, before admitting to myself, they are real, and I know what I'm going to do.
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Have you ever heard the name Kit Green? Is that familiar to you at all?
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Um…it doesn't ring a bell, but I probably heard them.
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But see, like…see, like…like…the first thing I agreed…the first agreement I made with them was after realizing they were real,
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that I asked them that whenever they came around me, that they'd talk between themselves, if they were talking between themselves or with me in a way that I could hear, to speak English,
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because it frightened me if they were talking between themselves, and it sometimes sounded like horse winnings or bird calls. And they agreed.
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And then the second one was that if I saw them out in the desert, like if I came over a rise and there was one sitting on a rock, I understood that it was easy for me to sneak up on them behind them and surprise them, and I didn't want to do that.
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I would just stop where I was and stand where I was and sing a song and let them know I was there.
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And then if they wanted to come closer, I would just stand there and they could walk up towards me and stop whenever they wanted to.
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I wouldn't pursue. I wouldn't close the gap.
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And if they got too close to me so that I started feeling intimidated, I would start backing away and they would stop.
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And then when we had decided how far apart we were going to be physically, then we could communicate.
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Your wife, Marie-Therese, mentioned that you actually were sent out initially.
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Initially, I was supposed to go from after doing my basic training at Lackland, then I was put in PAT standing.
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You know, that was airmen waiting their security clearance.
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And those airmen that were going to get a security clearance and be sent to San Angel, Texas for Security School 101 were supposed to wait there for like three weeks or so.
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Now, the security clearance you're waiting for is whatever the government decides to give you, but it's supposed to be the top secret clearance.
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Now, the security training, the people who are sent to San Angel, Texas are waiting to get their orders to San Angel, Texas.
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However, in my case, they issue two sets of orders, the real ones to San Angel, Texas, and the cover orders to the weather training school at Shunard Air Force Base, Illinois.
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The idea is that the captain who is in charge of those guys, who has a safe for classified material that's locked—this is 1965, times have all changed since then—he's the one that will give out my orders.
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The day sergeant can give out all the rest of the orders.
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Because the day sergeant—because my clearance is going to be a higher clearance than theirs.
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Well, the Friday that they came in, the captain is off playing golf.
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Now, as a military officer, he's supposed to be on duty.
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He's off playing golf and left the sergeant in command.
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The sergeant does not have the clearance to know about my orders.
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So, when the clearance comes—the orders come in for everybody else, and I'm—we were all in the same class together at boot camp, I think a mistake has been made.
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They get their orders.
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I say, well, because my cover orders are in a different location than their orders, but they're not locked up.
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They're just in the temporary outbox.
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Well, I ask the sergeant—I got no orders.
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I go into weather school, too.
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So, the sergeant goes and gets those orders and says, oh, yeah, here's your orders, and hands them to me to go to weather school.
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So, I go out and I get on the bus.
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You know, I got my stuff packed.
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Now, my drill sergeant had made a very special point.
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He said, anytime you do anything in the military, keep two copies of your orders because you can't trust your officers.
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I keep two copies, right?
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So, I get on the bus.
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I'm not on the travel man, but I got orders.
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So, they throw me on the airplane, and they send me to shoot at Air Force Base, Illinois.
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If you can't shoot them, she knew them that place.
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Well, I'm in the base, and everybody else is getting paid, and I'm at weather school, and I'm the best student in the class.
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And after, like, six weeks, I still haven't been paid.
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And so, I go and I ask the command—my immediate commander, can I go see—I'm not getting paid.
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He sends me over to the base payroll offices, and they look at their records, and they're panicky.
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You're on this base, and they send me back to weather school.
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I go back to weather school, and two MP air policemen and a dog come in and grab me and march me over to the base commander's office.
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I'm a little terrified.
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And the base commander says, Airman Hall, if you have a copy of your orders showing you that you're supposed to be on this base, then you're going to be a happy man.
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And whoever gave you the orders is not going to be very happy.
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But if you don't have a copy of the orders, the man who gave them to you is going to be a happy man, and you're not going to be a soldier—you're not going to be a very happy soldier,
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because the generals tell me you're too valuable a man to be wasted at this school.
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I had two copies in my hall.
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I said, Thank you, Sergeant Master Sergeant Peoples.
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I said, You need another one.
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I can copy this, right?
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They said, Well, we'll decide what to do, right?
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So they'd been looking for me at San Angel, Texas for six weeks.
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The FBI had been looking for me at my house in London.
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Nobody had found me.
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I go back, and the sergeant comes out and says, You're going to Nellis.
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They gave me the usual wish list.
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When you finish weather school, name three places you'd like to go.
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I said, Germany, England, and March Air Force Base, Los Angeles.
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And I said, No, you're going to Nellis.
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How soon after you're stationed at Nellis do you encounter this abandoned weather station and meet your first tall white?
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Well, the first time that I heard tell of the tall whites at Nellis was at my very first duty session at Nellis with another airman, which I describe in my book.
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He was the airman that had been on leave for several weeks because he claimed the Nellis weather station was haunted.
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And it was the—it's not the one you see there today.
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It was the old one that was the northeast end of the base operations building.
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The base operations building was a very nice building for its day, as was the weather station.
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I describe it in my book.
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And it had something very important.
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It was the military version of an airport terminal.
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And it had something very important.
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It had clean restrooms.
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The next clean restroom was a mile away in a group of barracks they were still building.
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To get to another clean restroom, you had to go a mile and a half away.
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He claimed that when he was working NYCHA graveyard, and he was in his—he had been in its military, he was on his fourth year,
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the previous winter, that he thought ghosts, you and I would say, a group of five tall white aliens,
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had come in off the runway, off the tarmac, unlocking the glass doors between the base operations, the interior of the base operations building, the tarmac,
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because one of the force fields will make every piece of material repel every other piece of material and just pop every lock open.
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And that when he came in, there was one waiting outside, standing guard, one holding the door open, and then two men,
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and then three women, one holding open the door to the bathroom, another one inside, holding—helping them hold open the door to the bathroom,
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while the third one was using the ladies' restroom, and that they were rotating so that they'd come in to use the restroom.
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He didn't—although he described them doing that, he didn't appreciate what he was describing.
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He thought they were ghosts.
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He panicked immediately and started screaming, locked himself in the doorway, and called the base air police,
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only to discover that the Nellis Base commander said, no, the air police cannot come beyond the road junction a mile away.
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Now, I know from firsthand experience that he was telling the truth,
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because there came a day when I had—I was working graveyard, actually a whole bunch of days—on Sunday night, when everything was empty,
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when that would happen, and the reason that they came is because they're just like us.
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The bathroom that was a mile down, which the mechanics down in that hangar, airport hangar, thought was haunted,
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was occasionally visited by tall white men who had to go to the bathroom, and it was a mess, never cleaned.
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And if you were out with two men and three women who wanted a clean bathroom,
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and the one a mile and a half down was too far and wasn't suitable,
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and you said, where do we want to go to the bathroom?
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You'd say, I know just the place.
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It's the one in the base ops, and on Sunday night there's nobody around.
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There's the weather observer, and he's usually sleeping at night like he should.
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He's not supposed to, but usually they did.
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Actually, that was a great place to sleep on.
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I did myself didn't, but I had too much fun reading books and stuff.
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And so, and the guy that I was, he was my OJT instructor, he also claimed that on a different night,
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when he was in there, that one of them came and peeked at him around the corner and said,
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don't worry, the women just want to use the restroom.
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He screamed and called the police again and they wouldn't come, and he had a nervous breakdown.
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You know, and that happened to me.
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I said, yeah, don't forget the candy bar machine.
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You know, you guys may be hungry.
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And that's what psychological defenses do for you.
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You see, that's the difference.
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And, but that's the first one.
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He told me the story, but I didn't actually see the tall white sun that night.
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Then a few nights later, when he had been given an honorable discharge, because the Pentagon insisted that he and I alone in the warehouse,
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on Sunday night, alone in the weather station together, work at least one duty shift.
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And then he would be given an honorable discharge of Section 8, which he was.
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Then when I was with my next duty shift, my next OJT instructor, and he was working a double shift.
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I was working swing shift.
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When I came left at midnight and I was trying to hurry to get to the base up to the base chow hall,
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as I was walking back the mile or so to my barracks, one of the new ones being built,
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I would end up, when I turned around, following me was the tall white girl, the 12 year old.
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And I was about a quarter mile down from the base up from the weather station.
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And back by the white elephant was the teacher and two of Ridge Fort Harry and another tall white guard,
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happily watching me from a distance.
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And all she was doing was just following me, intentionally showing herself.
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At the time, when you talk about what good her psychological defense is, at the time,
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I couldn't believe my eyes, even though they matched what the guy had told me just a few days before,
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I decided that because I was tired, I must be sleepwalking.
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And I said, well, gee, I thought if you slept, I didn't realize that you could actually walk and see things when you were sleepwalking.
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And so I turned and I tried to continue walking.
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I expected to hurry and get to my barracks before I had a brain stroke or something and collapsed.
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And I thought, and I turned around and after going a few steps, and there she was, she still followed me.
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And I had been reading a book on the Titanic, which I can talk about later.
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And in the Titanic, it described a group of angels who came in a craft,
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one of the lifeboats and landed on the ledge of one of the icebergs and dropped wreaths for people in the water to use as life preservers, which didn't work.
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And how one of the angels was good at floating out over the water and dropping her hand.
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And when I turned around and I was just watching her, she smiled.
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That girl, she lifted up, turned up the power on her suit, lifted up a little bit further till the top of her feet were about as far off the ground as the top, not as top, almost the top of that chair,
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flew over beside the sidewalk, which was over the grass, and saw and went over the grass a little bit and saw on the grass something that, a piece of wrapper or perhaps a quarter or something that interested her.
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And with her feet still in the air, bent, lowered her shoulders, reached down on the grass and picked it up, assuming the very same position that was described in the book on the Titanic that I had previously read, like that night or two nights before, described by the lady in the survivor of the lifeboat that was picked up by the Carpathia,
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as described in the book that I was reading. And like she was the very same girl.
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And considering that the 12 Whites live 600, 800 years, 10 times longer than we do, she could have been.
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Okay. And when I looked at it, I was stunned. And I still didn't make the association between those people an extraterrestrials.
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That's what psychological defenses do for you. And I decided that I must just be sleepwalking or there must be something with me mentally. And I went home and I went back to my barracks and life continued.
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So let's get into the Hall photon theory because, and just to set this up for the audience also in the thirties in 1935, Einstein, Rosen, Podolsky come up with their sort of spooky action at a distance entanglement.
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And it's known as Einstein's dilemma because Einstein had always kind of almost put a governor on reality. The speed limit of reality is the speed of light.
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And yet with photons, observably, you see this sort of entanglement effect where optical properties, various optical properties seem to mirror one another at vast distances just instantaneously.
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And so how is the Hall photon theory an update on that? And how does that unlock faster than light travel in the form of a spacecraft?
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Well, to begin with, I'd like to thank you for this nice interview. And if I don't fit in having us on your podcast, I'd like to congratulate you on just out thinking Einstein.
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When you say, what's it feel like to be smarter than Albert Einstein? I say, well, I know a guy. It's not just me, because what you say is correct.
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And the easiest way to see it is starting with the way Einstein did with the Mickelson-Morley experiment of 1897.
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Okay. In 1897, everyone thought that a photon of light had only two force fields, an electric field and a magnetic field, that oscillated together. Okay.
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And perpendicular to one another.
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Mm-hmm. And then they did the Mickelson-Morley experiment. And then they wanted to interpret it as though it were an experiment that you would do with little boats crossing a river and going up and down in the river.
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When they didn't know anything about the—they thought they knew everything there was to know about the photon, that there was only two force fields, so they could pretend that they knew everything about how a photon looks like a little boat going across the river.
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Okay. When the experiment failed, then nobody wanted to say there has to be more structure to the photon than what we know about. Nobody wanted to do that. Okay.
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James Clerk Maxwell had done his equations, and they didn't want to say there's more force fields that Maxwell's equations don't include but should.
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Mm-hmm. Okay. And they oscillate too. They wanted to say, we know everything there is to know about the photon.
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Mm-hmm. And then they wanted to say, and we know everything about the river and the banks and stuff and the little boats that cross it.
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So now they had reasoned themselves into a corner. So why did the experiment fail?
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And they monkeyed around like that until Einstein, and they finally asked Einstein—
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But I think of it as a failure to detect the ether, the Michelson-Morley experiments. Is that right? To think—
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—a medium through which the photons would be carried?
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That would make sense, yeah, that there was no ether. But then that left the question, so why isn't there at least some change—why did the experiment totally fail?
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Okay. Along the way, they ignored things about the experiment.
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Mm-hmm. The first one is that if you do the experiment with one photon at a time in the interferometer, you get the same results. And that means that the photon has to be split in two for that to work. Today we call that photon entanglement. But back then they said, well, I don't know, spook you at a distance, right?
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And then if you do it with photons of just red light, then you get the same results, but the bright bands of light are still red light. And so therefore the explanation that the photons would constructively interfere and destructively interfere can't be correct,
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because if they constructively interfere, they would have to change color. Blue photons have twice the energy of red photons. So that would mean you would be sending in blue light, or sending in red light, and looking at interference patterns of red light. But that's not the case.
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All that's happening in the interferometer is that the photons are being steered into bands of red photons. That needs another force field to do the steering.
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So what is, if you have, in traditional electromagnetism, classical electrodynamics, you have an electric field, a magnetic field, and a wave, and they're all sort of running perpendicular to one another, what other field types do you think exist in the Hall photon theory?
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A whole bunch. Okay.
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Okay. And remember, the force fields can be different force strengths. The electric force, magnetic force field, is considered pound for pound to be like, what, a trillion times, I might not have that number right, a hundred million times more powerful pound for pound than the force aggressor.
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Yeah, it's 10 to the 40th.
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Yeah, it's 10 to the 40th.
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Yeah, it's 10 to the 40th.
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But because the force of gravity is weaker, pound for pound, than the electromagnetic field, the force of gravity can move further than light, okay?
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So the force of gravity from our galaxy can affect the nearby galaxy, the Andromeda galaxy, at 2.7 million light years, whereas the force of electricity from our galaxy cannot, right?
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But Einstein wanted to ruin that analogy by saying, to protect his own reputation, I have no idea why, trying to say that nothing could travel faster than light, not even gravity.
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But obviously, if gravity can travel further than light, it must be traveling faster than light.
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If you look at the symmetry of the Andromeda galaxy, and you say, well, it's, what, 10,000, 100,000 light years, 200,000 light years across.
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And that means that, and it's so well organized.
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It must, gravity must be traveling trillions of times faster than light.
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Otherwise, if, if the stars were trying to do that, and gravity was only traveling at the speed of light, they'd all bump into each other.
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Why do you, so, is gravity in your model also orders of magnitude weaker than electromagnetism?
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Because if it's traveling that far and having an effect, a pulling effect between mass bodies.
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If it's weaker, then it could go further.
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And see, in the photon.
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How does that hold, if it's weaker, it goes further?
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Because it's like a, it's like the milk truck delivering milk, right?
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If it's gonna go down the street and hit every house, then it's gonna stop and interact along the way, or at least stand ready to.
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But if it's gonna just do one house here and a house 10 miles down, the guy can go into high gear.
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But I would think of, like, attenuation as being, you know, like a, a wave being, you know, a certain kind of strength and then attenuates.
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The only way a force field can attenuate is there, say like, gravity, I'll say like gravity, is for there to be an interaction cross-section put up by another piece of matter or energy somewhere down the road.
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And then when it's traveling, it's not trying to interact with the electric field.
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It's trying to interact with another gravity field.
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And those are attractive interactions.
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And if it casts, and, and because it doesn't have to, there is no interaction cross-section between gravity and say an electric field that would be traveling through, then it could travel.
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much, much faster, much, much further.
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That's what the neutrino is.
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The neutrino, we're told, can travel through, if everything between the center of the sun and here were solid gravity, a neutrino could travel through it all and not interact with anything.
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So therefore, a neutrino can travel many, many times faster than light.
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However, you say, well, what about the neutrinos that say are measured at the CERN reactor?
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Well, if they're going to interact using electricity and magnetism, then they have to slow to that speed,
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the electricity and magnetism, to perform the interaction.
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Because time doesn't change.
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Time is always flying at the same rate.
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They're all in the same timeframe.
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Do you think we have neutrino detectors?
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Need to, that's why neutrinos are so hard to detect.
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But there are rumors that we have neutrino detectors, like at the South Pole and, you know, they're exotic.
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The whole photon theory says that within, that light is a bundle of force fields, and there have to, there have, so there have to be a whole bunch of force fields in the photon.
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And you must have to have variations of photons that have different collections of those different force fields.
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Because you have photons and neutrinos, which you see, which are very similar.
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And those photons, that means that even though photons that we're used to are limited by the speed of light, because it, because the electric field and the magnetic field have interaction cross sections, that go, that, you know, the permittivity of free space and so on, right?
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That it has to touch base, it has to vibrate all those piano wires, if you will.
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When you, if you have those other force fields be weak force fields, like the neutrino is surrounded by weak interaction force fields, they don't got to vibrate the electromagnetic wires.
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They only got to vibrate their own wires.
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They may not have to do it at all.
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If you say, well, what are the permittivity of free space for those other force fields?
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They're much less than the ones for electricity and magnetism.
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Therefore, when you say, let me compute the speed of light for those force fields, as I do in beyond relativity, you come up with a speed a trillion times faster.
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Charles, using the Hall of Photon Theory, how would you build the UFO and how would you basically propel yourself faster than light?
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Well, I'll give you some general principles, okay?
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Based on what I personally saw in the deserts.
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The first thing is, the UFO must be a smooth ellipsoid, like an egg or a tic-tac.
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Because the first principle of designing the different force fields and so on, is there cannot be any turbulence.
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What about a saucer?
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Does that rule that out?
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It depends on how the edges of the saucer are.
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It can't have anything concave.
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An example of something concave is if, like on the camera, you have the lens and it's shaped nice, and then around it is a ring that sticks out.
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And in between where the lens meets the ring is concave.
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If that were the shape of a spacecraft that you were trying to use to propel yourself through space, you would be strictly limited to less than about 80% the speed of light.
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Because the force fields in that region would obey Einstein's theory of relativity because they're not streamlined in that area.
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They would go turbulent.
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And once they go turbulent, the force fields will bump into each other.
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The heating can go to infinity.
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The amount of energy that's lost in that little zone could go to infinity.
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Concave creates this turbulent kind of...
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But if you took that lens and made it a complete ellipsoidal sphere of glass, and you use that shape where there's no sharp edges, there's no concave edges, where there's just always egg-shaped, then when you surround it with a bubble of force fields, they won't go
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turbulent, because they're streamlined for high-speed travel.
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When you do that, and you start accelerating towards the speed of light, it'll just continue accelerating as though the speed of light weren't there.
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It'll just go right on through.
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When you hear stories like Ryan Graves, Navy pilot, talk about a sphere inside a cube, or other kind of exotic-looking objects that do have pointy edges and don't always look like your traditional saucer or egg or tic-tac.
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In the 2003 timeframe, a large group of Boeing contractors were operating near one of the launch facilities at Vandenberg Air Force Base when they observed a very large 100-yard-sided red square approach to the base from the ocean and hover at low altitude over one of the launch facilities.
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This object remained for about 45 seconds or so before darting off over the mountains.
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There was a similar event within 24 hours later in the evening. This was a morning event, I believe 8.45 in the morning. Later in the evening, post sunset, there were reports of other sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors.
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These objects were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before darting off.
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The force fields interact with light. When you see, and you can see it on the Tic Tac video, the Navy pilots, when you look at the video, the first question you have to ask yourself is when you're looking at the edges of the craft,
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you have to ask yourself, are you looking at just the force fields that are interacting with light that go away when the craft shuts down?
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Or are you looking at the actual physical metal ceramic parts of the craft? See?
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And are you looking at the craft that was designed to exceed the speed of light? Or are you looking at the craft that was just designed for a specialized general kind of purpose here on Earth?
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Because remember, the scout craft that you see, like for the grays and the whites, did not make the deep space crossing. Only the deep space craft make the deep space crossing.
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What are the differences? What's the main distinction? The difference is…
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The scout craft, we use RVs to get it on. Yeah, see, the deep spacecraft, and I speak from direct observation, they can all be individual, like ships at sea, or they can be general purpose.
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Like, but one, for example, looks like… Well, you see how this house is? One that I personally saw was a little bit longer than this house, a little bit wider than this house, about half again as high as this house.
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And it was all totally smooth all around, you know, no protrusion or whatever. It had the standard double hull, and then it had another…
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And the way this house has this room and then on the side, it had another set of rooms. So it had the double hull on the outside, then it had a boundary area where you'd store stuff on both sides, and then it had the living area where you had actual…
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cabins the way you do on ships, and then up at the front you had the cockpit and the control area up on top, and control lights up on top, and then in the back you had the propulsion system.
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And that was meant to put sand out to deep space and head out for stars a hundred light years away. Okay? I'm quite certain of that.
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On the other hand, see a saucer that you might have for your children to take out to the play area, which I also saw. It's not meant to go faster than light. It's just meant to go like from Bishop, California to Roswell, New Mexico in a half hour, you know? And it could do it in ten minutes, but it's just meant to have a couple of teenagers.
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Take charge. Put in three younger children, say eight or ten, and go out and play, and just go around places here on Earth.
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So getting back to how you'd build the ideal…
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See, so when you build it…
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…if you build it for deep spaces, and one that has like… where you have like a ball inside and then stuff outside, like a cube or something, you might ask, is that really one craft? Or is it… the center ball is the real craft, and the outside is something…
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something like a car pulling a trailer, you know? See, you have to first ask, who are they and what did they mean to use that craft for? You see? Because they don't just come here in a craft. They build them while they're here. Now, the Norwegians with 24 teeth can only repair their craft when they get here.
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One time I personally asked Range 4 Harry if that craft could exceed the speed of light. He was a very nice guy. We were like brothers. He was very adamant. He said, it could, but nobody…
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I'm going to use my words, in their right mind, would ever take it that fast. Once you got up to about 1% the speed of light, you were covering distance so fast, in his words, that if anything went wrong, your friends couldn't find you.
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And he didn't think it was made very well. He pointed out that to repair it, you had to sit the craft down somewhere, like in the desert, and go outside and open it up to repair it. But that the real deep spacecraft, you could repair everything from the inside.
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So the first thing that he thought that a deep spacecraft had to have was, in addition to a double hull and fiber optic windings in between those two hulls to carry subatomic particles that would generate the force fields that you were working with, that you had to have access from the inside of the craft to repair them.
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You had to be careful they didn't overheat. You had to be careful they didn't overheat. If they overheated, you had to have… the design had to apply. You had to be able to repair that from the inside.
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If you got in trouble, you had to have emergency beacons that used the force fields that travel faster than light to send for help.
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Because those types of force fields that you're using in the design, like you could see it in the TikTok video.
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If you're going to control infrared rays that are traveling at the speed of light, you want to use a force field that itself is traveling faster than the speed of light. Otherwise, you can't catch them and control them.
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How does the… How does the… How does… You mentioned that the engine or the propulsion is the only thing that the tall whites didn't kind of fully give the humans as far as the ability to sort of fly these UFOs.
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So, yeah. So what do you think as far as how the… How do these engines work? How are the… What's the power source? And then, obviously, it's not chemical combustion. So what's going on in the engine?
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I'm quite certain that there's more subatomic particles, more quarks than the six they know of. There's at least two more sets.
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But how do you… How do you figure that out? And when you…
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Sorry, you have these, like, large Hadron colliders. It's, like, super expensive to build. It costs billions of dollars. So…
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When you… When you… When you… When you… When you… When you… When you… When you sit down to design a craft, there's five subatomic particles that are virtually always used, because they're close to being stable and easy to work with. And what you need is to have ceramic fiber… You need… You're… In your engine, you have to produce those. So you have… You don't have…
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You don't have just one engine. You have to have a way of producing all five of those. And then what you have are ceramic fiber optic cables. Ceramic fiber optics are 49.6% aluminum.
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50.2% silicon dioxide. That's the same as rocks. And the remainder is the…
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And the remainder is the… Semiconductor, germanium, selenium, and so on, that you use to coat those fibers with to create fiber optics. And then you wind those into coils. And those are… And whether you…
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Power up those coils…
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Power up those coils… Or don't power up those coils… That's how you…
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Control and propel your craft. Okay? And those five… And… And how you design those five… Depends on what you want to do with your craft. There's two more…
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Subatomic particles in that family… That… Are…
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More unstable… And are…
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Only… Occasionally… Used… But not for craft that you would ever have children or a family on.
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Because all of the extraterrestrials travel as families. They would only be… You'd only find them on military craft. And then there's two more. And so far we've talked about a total of nine. Okay?
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That are so unstable… That you would never use them when you were designing your craft. You'd only use them if you were designing a military weapon. And when you say that number five, right? And the number seven…
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That seems to ring a bell, doesn't it? Because we're told that when Ike Eisenhower was president… That there was a day… That we're told publicly by ancient aliens and the U.S. press and so on… That there was a day… That somewhere… The British guy said it was at Edwards, other people said it was at Alamogordo… But they say it was… There was a day somewhere…
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somewhere where he was taken… Where they took him out… The day he was supposedly golfing… At Palm Springs… And when he was taken to Edwards… No cameras… No… Press… And sitting on the runway at Edwards… Were five spacecraft… With extraterrestrials by them… And that he… They were shown to Ike Eisenhower…
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Not one… Except for the guy whose name is Charlo… Looked at that and said… That makes perfect sense… That they would do five… Because what they were showing him was… The general features of how their airplane… How their spacecraft were designed… And you'd say… Why five?
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and that the fiber optics melt, as they did during the two craft that crashed at Roswell,
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as described in my book, The Valley of the Grace,
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what you'll see, you would think, would be melted rocks.
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I know, I know, UFO people try to pretend that there was one saucer,
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and it was going fast, and it bounced, and it hit the ground,
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and melted the rocks, and then bounced up and went on.
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And my answer is, if you haven't, you know,
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when was the last time you saw anything bounce against the rocks in a Nevada,
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you know, New Mexico desert?
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I never have. Once they hit the rocks, they break.
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The reason there were melted rocks there is because there were two saucers,
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and the fiber optics were overheating and melting,
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and when they melt, they melt like melted glass or lava,
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and they have a big chunk that looks like lava,
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and a big chunk falls, and then it hardens and hits the ground
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and looks like a melted rock.
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So when you see those reports that the geologist came,
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and his son said, these are melted rocks,
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and they left them behind,
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and they say, we went out and picked up all the debris,
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and we picked up this metal that resumes its shape.
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I said, those were cigarette wrappers.
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Those were gum wrappers that did that.
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What you passed over was the stuff you care about.
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I found a piece of metal about a foot and a half to two feet wide
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and about two or three feet long.
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It felt like you had nothing in your hands.
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It wasn't any thicker than the foil out of a pack of cigarettes.
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But the thing about that got me is that you couldn't even bend it.
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You couldn't bend it.
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Even though the sledgehammer would bounce off of it.
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So I knew that I had never seen anything like that before.
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And as of now, I don't know what it was.
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So you're saying Jesse Marcel,
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that was just like the sort of memory metal.
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That was just the kind of exhaust.
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That could have come off from a kid's toy, okay?
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Yeah, because see, what you have is what you,
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after you've put in your melted, after you've put in your coils,
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then you have to protect them from the weather.
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Now, when you protect them from the weather,
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you're going to have to cover them with a thin metal sheet, okay?
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But you're not going to be able to support the metal sheet
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with an outside metal strap, okay?
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You're not going to be able to protect the metal sheet
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with an inside metal strap
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because you can't have turbulence in the force fields.
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And the metal is electromagnetic.
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We'll screw it up without stray electromagnetism and so on.
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And when you're designing it,
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you're going to start from square one
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and then three times a day,
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you're going to come up and say,
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I don't want any turbulence in this force field.
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I don't want these coils to overheat.
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You're going to leave,
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if you're a gray designer
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and you're designing a craft for gray children,
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then you're going to have,
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as per the Roswell Museum,
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you're going to have something that is missing
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from their display model.
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you're going to have a little doorway
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that the operator of the craft
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can open anytime he wants
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and let molten fiber optics fall out, okay?
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Because he's in desperate mode
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to save his fiber optics,
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they have overheated.
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And then he can close the door
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he may not be able to use all of his coils.
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So if he's by himself,
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he's in deep trouble.
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As in the craft over the plains of San Augustine
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in 1947, he's by himself.
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And he's got big trouble.
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But if he's got two craft beside him,
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the fields from their craft
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and the fields from his craft
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As I've personally seen Range 4 Harry
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do with the high-speed horse formation
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to form a single larger craft
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when the fields are present
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and stabilize his craft.
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And now the three together
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can fly off to someplace safe.
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Do you need to use specific metamaterials
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for these, you know,
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very intense kind of, you know,
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environments and, you know,
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a lot of electricity?
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And, yeah, do you need to use
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specific materials for the craft?
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Before you can know about the materials,
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you have to know about the subatomic particles.
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Because the ceramic fiber optics
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are supposed to contain
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the do what fiber optics do today,
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what only they do it differently.
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I've personally seen the fiber optics
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when, as I describe in my book,
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when I was in the sixth,
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the summer after my sixth,
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between my fifth and sixth grade,
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the, I believe that was his name,
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editor of Flank Saucer's Magazine
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in a store in London, Wisconsin,
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and his childhood friend
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came back from Roswell
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with a stretch about a yard long.
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It wasn't a thin strip of metal.
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It was like they took nylon fibers,
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but it wasn't nylon.
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And then when you flowed,
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shined the flashlight through it,
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the light would bend
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without being absorbed.
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but before you do it for the craft,
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you first have to know
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about the particles,
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because you have to know
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how to build the fiber optics
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before you can do anything else.
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you mentioned the Roswell Graze,
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and you're talking about
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The lore is that it made its way
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to Wright-Patterson,
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Wright-Airfield at the time.
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And you're saying it eventually
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made its way to Area 51
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or to the Nevada test range?
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I don't know where it made its way to,
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because I've seen the real one,
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and I know what it looks like.
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Where did you see it?
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Did you see it in Nevada?
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I've seen a craft of that type
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as I describe in my book,
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on the valleys of the grace,
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on one cold and snowy night
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in the fall back in the 60s
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when I damn near died in the fog,
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with the young lady in it
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and some of her friends,
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accompanied by the deep spacecraft
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and the teenage craft,
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to the bend in the road,
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she was just learning
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so they didn't let her
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take it up in the air.
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And before the fog moved in,
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when I was walking down there,
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I was on the side of a hill,
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and she had brought the craft in
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She just had the control coils running,
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and she had opened up
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the door on the side.
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I was very reluctant
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because I knew from experience
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that they all have those
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fields surrounding them,
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and that if you get too close,
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into the back of a jet engine
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when the jet engine is running.
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You've got to just stay
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and let them see you
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and let them come as close
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but she had powered down
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so from her point of view,
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there was nothing keeping me
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who were on the craft.
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I didn't realize at the time
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who was the backup pilot,
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he was a young gray.
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They looked just like
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someone from Mongolia,
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but the other three,
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she and the other three,
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were actually humans.
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they were young Chinese people
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that the Grace had rescued,
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but they had been orphaned
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and the Grace had reputed,
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and the whole point was
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that they were trying
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you ought to find a human
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who everybody trusts,
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including the children,
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and the human has to be somebody
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who trusts them in return,
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and the human they had figured
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that they had chosen
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had this last name Hall
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and the first name Charlie.
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They're Charles, right?
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well, why didn't they tell me?
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well, that's why we picked him,
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because he'll figure it out
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if we just give him time, right?
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and scare him, right?
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that's why we picked him,
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because he's perfect
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at convergent, divergent reasoning,
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and he'll figure it out.
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And that's what they're doing,
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waiting for me to come.
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was the very same craft
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that crashed at Roswell.
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was the very same craft.
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Do you think we know
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how to fly these crafts now?
[1:42:05 - 1:42:07] ▶
know how to fly them?
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I'll finish this sentence
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In the back of that craft
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In the back of all those people
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biological entities.
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They all have to eat.
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They all have to breathe air,
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and they all have to periodically
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every craft in the back
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like the crash at Kingman,
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said that after she came out
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and they were waiting
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he said she went back
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and stayed in the back.
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And the UFO people say
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where she was praying.
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I think that's really laughable
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because having seen the craft,
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there's no shrine back there.
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And there's also food storage.
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and she's got to wait a while,
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they're going to fall back
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on the control panels
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That's why they crashed.
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all have this thing.
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Well, there was a time
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they said in all those craft
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there must be a shrine
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where they go and pray.
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I've seen the craft.
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that's a bathroom, right?
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And I have a whole class
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of stories in that vein.
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that I've been there
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for the part that blew in
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on the food storage.
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And so when you went
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on the wreckage of that,
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what was your question
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that you wanted to make?
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It's like everything else
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It's like if they have
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an opportunity to learn,
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if they have a trainer,
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you can do naturally
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that a Cessna airplane
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it's a pretty simple
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for about 45 minutes,
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There was a trained pilot,
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I was in the co-pilot seat
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was in the pilot seat
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and it was a nice night
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I'm not moving anything,
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if you call that fly-in.
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the mind-matter connection?
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You don't do anything
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to tell what you're thinking
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because you're thinking
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their way of thinking.
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night of the full moon.
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from the incoming craft.
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if anything goes wrong,
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This is much different
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with less technology
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different schedules.
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a two-month schedule.
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The longest schedule
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with a five-year schedule
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were coming directly
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from their home planet.
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faster than the speed of light,
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where their home planet was.
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But if there was no craft,
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if there were no craft
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wasn't particularly large.
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what the number was,
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but it would be rare
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if there were no ships
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a technology transfer,
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technology transfer team
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and disguising themselves
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and disguising herself
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and the other tall white
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and disguising himself
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specifically pretend
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explain what you just said.
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that you're a tall white?
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I'm not a tall white.
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I was born in Brooklyn,
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One of the tall whites
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disguised themselves
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as you and your wife
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And how do you know?
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where did that come from?
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any classified documents.
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talking with the tall whites.
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American scientific programs.
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I'm just totally guessing.
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But the night she was—
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when in the presence
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that he was supposed
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what the program was.
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tall white scout craft
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located up the valley
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and on the eastern side
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of Indian Springs Valley.
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The night that Pamela
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pass her final exam,
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the crowd that formed
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the ammunition bunker
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three and a half miles
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from the ammunition bunker
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where there was a ridge
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and then the teacher
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while I was working,
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had released the balloon
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to meet you, Charlie,
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well she didn't even
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truly an ugly monster
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but there came a night
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when she had to do that
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and that's described
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in diplomatic relations?
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and the solar system
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exists in the middle
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the next closest star
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four light years away.
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within two light weeks.
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it's not all unusual
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as you're conducting
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interstellar commerce
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a place in the middle
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that you might need.
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it is for the same reason
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location, location, location.
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if you have some locals
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they're plant eaters
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and hand you the food.
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Hallman Air Force Base
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where there's a landing
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and there's a possible
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but they seem to actually
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I think was promised
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past, present, and future
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the video never came
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some pretty interesting
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at Hallman Air Force Base
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I'll maintain my policy
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on other people's stories
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the reason is because
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totally on my own experience
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on anything I've read
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they're not based on
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any classified material
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they're based on what
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one of the major things
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with the extraterrestrials
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you feel differently
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your guardian angels
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your guardian angels
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has two guardian angels
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who are always with us
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and have nothing else to do
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and the guardian angels
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the biological entities
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if they want to classify
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you can have one Charlie
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but don't tell anybody
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do you miss the tall whites
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do you feel an emotional
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you and Range 4 Harry
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tall white playgrounds
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if I ever were out there
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I happen to see them
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if I were to just say
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well now you've seen us
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go on about their business
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even though they like us
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and it's not that they're
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it's because remember
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when George Washington
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on the skip bomb area
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on the higher ground
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slightly higher ground
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Native American girl
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Native American girl
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to the seventh grade
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her entire life cycle
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from the fourth grade
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to the seventh grade
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but on the other hand
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from their point of view
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gee I'm 80 years old
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I only have two more years
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so from their point of view
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you have to remember
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for five or ten years
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who has a deep interest
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in these sorts of things
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have you heard of him
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this is one of those
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there's probably a reason
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why the mood shifted
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a biotech entrepreneur
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Diana Pasolka's book
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in launch operations
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Pasolka paints Taylor
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as an enigmatic figure
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and Stanford microbiologist
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by many he's considered
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crash retrieval secrets
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personally receiving
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downloads of information
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from other worldly sources
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with non-human intelligences
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a profound conversion
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in the Vatican archives
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a personal revelation
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he decided to convert
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but also what happens
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of what these things
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are that he's feeling
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he's getting signals
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who had these experiences
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that they're more in line
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and outside of her account
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Chris Bledsoe's memoir
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after his encounters
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Bledsoe's experiences
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was briefly in contact
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that his name came up
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in this conversation
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I wasn't necessarily surprised
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part of a secret program
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this doesn't come from me
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perhaps my favorite figure
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and anti-gravity inventor
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Thomas Townsend Brown
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this is where the story
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Thomas Townsend Brown
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but gravity and time
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have a tight relationship
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in general relativity
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of his great biography
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the man who mastered gravity
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is that Townsend Brown
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he would talk about it
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constantly with his friends
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apparently Tim Taylor
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I would dismiss this
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out of hand entirely
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even more interesting
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between Townsend Brown
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there's an Amazon review
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that Townsend Brown's
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on Tim Taylor's biography
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traveling back and forth
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that used to meet there
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the elite of the elite
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like Eldridge Reeves Johnson
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and even the inspiration
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so maybe Tim and Townsend
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are part of a secret
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but it is interesting
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to consistently pop up
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around very important
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in the United States
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now back to our conversation
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very interesting figure
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and he's very interested
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he became interested
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wasn't that his name
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