Transcript: UFO Whistleblower: "I Saw Alien Tech In An Underground Base"

But we're just kind of taking this a step farther and saying that certain reconnaissance devices actually look like can appear to look like animals, like birds.

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Why wouldn't it? Why wouldn't that be a natural way of disguising your technology area?

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Which you're trying to monitor someone without them knowing you're monitoring them?

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Anything natural in the environment is where you want to hide that.

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It's pretty intense.

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You also have worked in occasionally still work at Area 51, right?

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The kind of legendary flight testing site I think was created in the 1950s.

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Mainly actually to test, I think originally the U2, but then other exotic aircraft on up from there.

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Just recently, another green beret was in the news under more unfortunate circumstances.

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Matthew Livesberger executed a stranger than fiction car bombing, but with fireworks and a cyber truck in front of Trump Tower in Las Vegas on New Year's Day 2025.

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After the incident, podcaster Sean Ryan had a guest on named Sam Schumay claiming that Matthew had emailed him, saying that the New Jersey drones that the entire country has been confused about for the last two months

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are actually state of the art, gravitic propulsion drones from China controversy ensued, but Sean Ryan and Schumay have now been vindicated by the FBI.

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It looks like this email was in fact sent by Livesberger, the Las Vegas bomber.

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Having said that, I don't think we should wholesale accept all of the contents of this email.

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Chinese electro-gravitic drones carrying large payloads that could vaporize New York or DC at the drop of a hat, hovering with impunity around civilian airspace feels hard to believe or at the very least should be further investigated and not just accepted at face value.

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But here's where I probably break from the consensus.

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I am confident that the US and probably China have at least cracked anti-gravity in laboratory settings.

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I know that sounds insane, but if you don't believe me, check out my videos on the great mid-century inventor Thomas Towns and Brown and with aviation journalist Nick Cook.

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There's an abundance of open source evidence out there that we can affect gravity in clear ways with high voltage electricity, but I digress.

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How does any of this tie together with Randy's story? Well the crazy connection here is this very weird email sent by Matthew displays the coordinates of America's Gravitic Propulsions Operations Center.

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The coordinates are at Area 51. Now this alone doesn't prove anything. You can google Area 51's coordinates.

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The reason this is interesting is because Randy, who is also a green beret in our interview subject today, has worked at Area 51 and he told me off-air that he's seen a black triangle hovering around at the notorious flight testing facility that he believed was employing exotic, electrogravidic propulsion.

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What is that experience been like? Anybody that works out of that area, we call it the test site or the test range.

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Area 51 is just one component of that entire huge sprawling compound base area.

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It's a testing range where they tested the first some of the first nukes, you know, and it's a really cool place to check out historically.

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I mean that's one of the coolest things I think about it is seeing those sites where they detonated nukes where they had the Marines like embedded right next source of the explosions were going off and they were dug in.

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And you can literally see the area where the explosion happened and where they were dug in and benches where people sat and watched nuclear explosions go off and didn't realize how much danger they were in at the time.

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I actually just did a piece with this guy Robert Hastings who wrote an amazing book called UFOs and nukes.

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This guy documents 167 whistleblowers, guys who are cleared to some of our most sensitive stuff and they're basically tasked with guarding the crown jewels of American defense and our nuclear assets.

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And they're screened for being the picture of mental health in certain cases they have their finger on the nuclear button.

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And so they have to be on what's called the PRP program and report if they're taking ibuprofen for God's sake, like they're very of sound mind.

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And they consistently report seeing UFOs showing up not only in and around nuclear assets, but actually in and around the plume of nuclear blasts and atmospheric tests and a lot of these guys are older.

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So like I think atmospheric tests were banned at some point mid-century, but like right.

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So if this was going on at area 51, you have to think that you know that's got to be a very interesting place as far as maybe UFO activity as well.

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Well, sure and I mean I always wonder too because it's obviously it's a great place to test technology because there's not a lot of eyes on it.

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So it makes sense that that's what they use for and obviously that's what they did the SR71 F1 17 programs. I think we're heavily tested out there.

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And then I'm sure a lot of the exotic tech is tested out there as well.

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But then there's also the stuff that we don't we don't quite know what it is that's showing up and I think it's incredibly interesting and personally I mean being out there.

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So my my roll out there is to help as an opposition force for some units that are training for operations overseas.

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And that's about as deep as I can go into it. It's nothing super cool. It's fun.

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Cool guy stuff to do for guys like us. The guys like me that like to shoot guns and get a gunfighter pretend gunfight in this case.

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But and get to run into old buddies of mine that I worked with and special forces teams.

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So it's it's cool and while out there we have had a couple crazy incidents.

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I'll speak to one in particular just because I don't think it's too too crazy to speak about.

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But basically I brought I brought some of the guys out with me. We're operating under somebody's cue clearance while out there.

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One of the commanders of the unit that was coming in by helicopter unit landed in one of the cadres that overseas the other movement and kind of grading them on their performance and evaluating.

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I was standing next to some of my guys and during that time a green orb type object had flown over and my buddy had seen it and he looked up at the cadre that was there and mentioned if he asked him if he had seen it.

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And he said he looked out of my buddy and said are you sure you saw that and my friend was like yeah I saw this green or me says because if you did see we got a lot of paperwork to do and and my buddy kind of got the hint and he said yeah maybe I didn't see it.

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And he's like that's better and they kind of brush it off. So they obviously either knew what it was or knew not to talk about it.

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Yeah. And I don't know either war I mean we signed NDAs and stuff going out there. So you know there's not much more we say about it.

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But you know it's it was interesting and I've seen a couple things like that out there in my time working out there that are definitely cool.

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Well the lack of shock on behalf of that officer I think says it all right.

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It seems kind of like a routine thing for him to have seen. In fact there was a meteor expert at the University of New Mexico named Lincoln La Paz and in 1948-49 he was basically studying green fireballs following the plume radioactive debris post nuclear blasts across the US.

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There's another guy named researcher named Dan Wilson who was also following up on this line of research.

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And so I think that's actually fairly common thing when it comes to U.F.ology and UFOs and and and Louis Elzando is also spoken about green fireballs.

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And in fact I've seen a green fireball with Louis Elzando. That's crazy.

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Wow man yeah you were mentioning that. That's what what can you what was that was the we were hanging out at lose place actually in Wyoming.

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And Louis it was kind of later at night we were like by his shed just hanging out.

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And Louis going deep on and for basically for the audience for you know who might need context on this.

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Louis Elzando is a guy who ran the official UFO investigation program under here read.

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It was called a sap kind of I guess morphed into this program called at tip.

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And and he's since come out and kind of blown the whistle on some stuff around UFOs.

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And so yeah we're hanging out at his house and he's going deep on how the sun is this nuclear fusion reactor.

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And specifically how it works and stuff and then all of a sudden we just see.

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It's hard to kind of place distance on these things but we see green fireball just shoot out into the sky.

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And we're just like what like this couldn't be weirder as far as what this what we're talking about who we're with and seeing this happen.

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I do like I know for a fact from me since since my experience I've definitely seen more stuff than I mean I didn't see anything before that.

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I never noticed maybe I wasn't looking but not see shit all the time.

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That feels like the dirty little secret in UFO world because it feels like a lot of people downplay their personal experiences

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because they want to maintain this like impartiality of like I'm this perfect scientist.

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But the more you notice the thing the more it does start to happen to you and the deeper you get you have a couple of drinks with you know anybody in this field.

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They start to say yeah things have gotten kind of trippy once I've started to look into this which makes sense.

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Yeah. Right like you have a video of like you know I think this like gorilla going across this video.

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And if you're not focused on the grill you don't see the real you know you know you're attention is somehow fundamental to what you experience in life.

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So that sounds like that's happened with you as well.

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It's probably that same phenomenon like you buy a red car and then you see red cars or whatever you know whatever type of car you buy you see that time

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of car all of a sudden everywhere.

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Exactly.

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Maybe it's just that we're looking now and we're more aware of it. So we're seeing it.

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Yeah to Tony Robbins I think was interviewed by Theo Vaughan and he was like notice everything red in the room.

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And if you were to do that right now you notice everything right in the room and then you close your eyes.

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Oh yeah I'm like this.

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You know what you see those brown.

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Why do you see those brown?

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You wouldn't really remember but you would remember the red thing.

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So yeah I think it's yeah anyways it's super fascinating but that's wild so you experience that first hand at area 51.

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Any other technology I mean one one area that might be worthy of discussion is one of the top five episodes for Joe Rogan

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and the subject of a lot of mythology and lore in UFO world is Bob Lazar who claimed to claim to work at area 51 a special compartment of it called S4.

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Yeah.

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Nobody knew what area 51 was before Bob Lazar came out.

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And so a lot of people are like his stories totally legit by the way he claimed to basically work on reverse engineering UFOs.

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Right.

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And he's all sorts of interesting stuff like element 115 which is a stable version of misgivium was used for the propulsion.

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He talks about gravity A gravity B but he also was shown things about bodies being containers of souls and just all sorts of trippy out there.

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Yes the element.

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Yeah so like I've dug more into this stuff just since since experience and I mean it's I don't know about Bob Lazar's story of his true.

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I mean he seems like he's telling the truth seems genuine but I don't know I don't know if you're going to talk about your theory on that but I think that's pretty I think that's pretty cool man and I I'd lean into that pretty heavily as far as like that's probably what's going on.

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Yeah I mean I don't know I'm happy to say it.

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Okay I think you should.

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Well yeah I mean well I want to focus his back on you.

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Okay.

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You're the real guest of honor but I will I think that Bob Lazar was kind of a limited hangout of a person and so what I mean by that is he would provide high level frameworks where you know it's like that cicada challenge or whatever for the NSA or something or as a

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yeah or something like if you have a specific if you're really impressive mathematical and like puzzle you know piecing ability or whatever online you get it and you get recruited or whatever.

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And so Bob Lazar comes out he says gravity a gravity B says all these things about you know stable versions of these you know elements that like we're not aware of.

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And if you investigate that and jump the bar to the you know where you show a level of prowess or ability with these tech highly technical concepts and actually kind of read the tea leaves on them then maybe you get recruited to the program.

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100% and the reason why I think this is important for you to bring up the reason I dug into that a little bit with you is because this type of stuff happens throughout the military as well.

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And so I like to give an example of that if I could yeah.

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And and also because I think it ties into maybe possibly why I was exposed to what I was exposed to okay so and I'll bring that full circle but.

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What there's one point in the cue course and again the cue course is the training program to become a green beret they randomly and this this is an uncommon so it didn't strike me as odd at the beginning of this.

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They just told us we're going to do a run and they said just run until you're supposed to stop to your best right come wave them evaluating you don't know how far you're going to go do your best that's a difficult that as a level of stress okay and that's what they're trying to do in a lot of these cases so you start running running down a path soft sand trail which sucks to run on.

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And during the run I remember as as I'm going along the route the trees had something posted on trees as I was running and one tree had like a face posted like a image a headshot of somebody I noticed it and then another tree had a red seven another tree had a blue three another tree had another face and so there's just every so often another tree had a something posted on it and so I'm mentally noting this like significant for some reason yes.

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And at the end of the run we just ended up being like a six mile run for time people that did well in the run got sectioned off people who didn't got sectioned off and people who did well in the run got brought to an area where we took a test and the test was all the red numbers add all the green number subtract and which faces did you see.

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And so you go through any you do this quick test and then people that did well in the test sectioned off and so on and it was an evaluation for another unit in the military above you know these units and so.

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They do that they do that kind of stuff often at least in the military so I don't see why agency like the C.I. wouldn't recruit people the same type of way makes a sense evaluate you without you being realize you're being evaluated you're going to get a genuine.

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You know you can get genuine good people are good at what you're looking for them to be good at totally yeah and it's not enough to tip the hat to the adversary and might even throw them off the trail in a sense but to some like initiated elite you know person and all of a sudden you get into the program or something so yeah I think I think those type of tests happen often you know especially in the military and especially at the level of special operations I think they're looking for guys.

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Did this the display certain characteristics to do other work yeah and identify that and you end up and I think maybe that's why ended up what I ended up seeing what I saw maybe something triggered something that they said let's see.

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And that happened so why don't we set this up for the audience what is naval surface warfare crane and why were you there to begin with yes I didn't have any particular knowledge about that I just ended up being the place where we were doing this training this particular course was to do some event.

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And it's weapons training my job in special forces was an 18 Bravo 18 Bravo's are your weapons are on the team and your responsibility is to be proficient on hundreds different types of weapon systems foreign and domestic weapon systems.

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That's everything from handguns rifles up to to rocket launchers and recoil rifles mortars any type of manpower weapon system.

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So you can work over like 100 weapons here yeah wow I mean but it's it's you know you just what you do that's when you your focuses so you know so this was just another course and one of the focuses of this particular training was the Mark 44 minigun that's a somewhat complicated weapon system.

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So it requires the next level of training and we're there going over that the scar had a new iteration.

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Of it and we're going over that so just just going over special operations so calm weapons and and more advanced training like becoming an armor on some of those weapons systems which allows you to do a higher level of care and maintenance for the team.

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We're there with the unit or I was there with a group of guys some guys there were armors for their unit some tier one units some special operations units some guys were couple of graves.

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There are only a few of us me and one other guy that ended up exposed to what we're exposed to and so yeah I'm going to want to show you this yeah I think it's important to the Val validity of what I'm saying so I don't know how you want to yeah well for the for the intense skeptic out there you have naval surface warfare center crane division and Randy Anderson.

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There you go.

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And it's in my D.D. 214 as well which is our provide you with and it's in your what my D.D. 214.

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D.D. 214.

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Yeah okay so that's your record yeah everything done in the military is documented there so so you were yeah clear you were there.

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By all intense person's man it was it was a normal actually kind of rundown facility it was it's huge.

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Crane Indiana's in the middle of freaking nowhere and it's also known for its naval readiness in general right there you have C program and I've heard I don't know if this is true or comports with your understanding but that there's some coordination between crane and and right Patterson Air Force base.

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It makes sense based on some of the stuff that happened and there's also a civilian company that was tied to it that's tied to some exotic stuff.

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Okay well so kind of digging in the head and see well there's a essay I see.

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That's a very interesting contract with some history and that area and I've also friends with actually Navy special warfare guy and it'll say some pretty interesting stuff to me he'll say like the Air Force guys those guys talk.

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Yeah.

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And he's like the Navy guys they never speak and they experience way more weird he was like look at the tenure of nuclear Navy engineers.

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And he was like tell me like that's not the highest churn job you've ever experienced is like those people are seeing crazy stuff underwater in these nuclear subs.

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And you think about it you know all the stuff around UFOs and nukes people with Q clear and says they're above land.

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Yeah.

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If you're in this contained vessel terrifying terrifying in some remote you know part of the world or whatever and then you see you know some sort of nonhuman entity sort of try to disrupt your comms or shut down your power.

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I mean right about right.

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Okay if I can't shoot it.

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Yeah.

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Pretty crazy.

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So you're doing like kind of combat training stuff at crane.

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Yeah weapons training.

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Weapons training.

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Then what happens?

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A couple days into the training we're doing really well mean this guy we're doing very well and we got pulled to the side at the end of the day on a regular training day and we stayed after and we're talking with the the cadrain instructors.

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And they somebody else had come into the room and we thought we maybe were just getting some extra stuff because we're doing well and they ended up telling us we're going to go check out some foreign weapons.

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We went to another part of the other facility went to another building in that building went into an elevator we took an elevator down which that was the first odd thing is that it felt like we went down significantly further than.

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Like you would think you would I mean it was just awkward it just stood out you went way underground I don't know if it was way but it was it was further down than like a few floors you know so I don't know how far I don't know how fast delivery was going I didn't know I needed to pay attention to it at the time.

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It was just it's just something stood out to me that it was we're going underground and these are pretty well documented now across the America you know underground military facilities.

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And so okay so you're going underground did you do you know that there was an underground complex at crane before this okay absolutely no no wasn't briefed on it didn't know about it didn't have it so what's going through your mind at this point you're going down underground in an elevator with these random instructors well tend to they man of the soldier and I do told some just just falling orders just going okay we're going to go here go stand there do this.

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But I'm the I'm observing you know I'm kind of it's starting to feel different.

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You know I'm the mood has definitely become more serious you know that the people were with were we're seems serious and me and the other guy was being quiet and you know not showing any emotion is we're trained to do so we get under there door opens we go through security type checkpoint I remember the first thing to stood out to me was

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security type checkpoint. I remember the first thing stood out to me was that it was significantly

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more modern than everything up top. That was odd. The lighting and everything seemed

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more modern, just seemed more upkept.

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Yeah. Kind of state of the art. It was very streamlined how things operated down there.

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As you tell, it was very regimented. Just like you walk on this, everybody walk on the

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right side to go in the hall and people coming this way, walking there, right? It was

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like a line on the wall that you followed to different areas. You know how like the

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hospital sometimes have like a line to follow to this emergency room. It was kind of that

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that seemed like it was that. I mean, I wasn't 100% paying attention to that. I was just

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had observed it upon getting under there or getting down there. We moved through a security

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checkpoint and then we started looking at some foreign weapons stuff and they were

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telling us about some Russian and Chinese weapons systems that were captured. And I don't

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want to go to into the details of this stuff. It's still within two kind of close proximity

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to that. Sure. That I don't want to go too far. But basically it was pretty advanced

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stuff that they had been using that was captured probably. I would assume by agency types

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that were operating in the area and had come across stuff that it seemed exotic. It

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wasn't anything that would strike me as beyond what I'd expect us to find or people

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would have the capability of making. But it was it was interesting for sure. Just the

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type of ammunition and the way the weapon systems operated. It was there was some kind of

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kind of exotic unconventional. Yeah, unconventional. Yeah. I would say not so much exotic but unconventional

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for sure. Okay. And so we talked about that for a little bit and they kind of felt like

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it was sort of evaluating our thoughts on it. Maybe seeing, you know, we are weapons

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experts. Yeah. And so maybe they just wanted another set of eyes on it. Maybe just evaluating

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to see what we came up with. Maybe they were evaluating us for see how what we could find

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out about. I don't know. I don't know. Right. You know, it's like I said, I've thought

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about this a lot. Maybe they knew and they were testing. Exactly. They didn't know and

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they genuinely wanted your help. Sure. There's a whole host of possibilities. Absolutely.

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And I don't want to say it was one of the I don't know. Sure. But again, we did that for

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a bit. And then at any point did you say, Hey, why are we down here? Just kind of. Yeah,

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yeah. And you wouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just do.

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Yeah. Totally. And if you're ever like going to be denied access to the most interesting

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stuff, it's by asking questions like that. Probably so. Yeah. But you probably just want

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to kind of go with it at that point. Okay. So you're looking at this exotic or not exotic

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but unconventional adversary technology. Yes. Yes. And again, it was really interesting

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and I think we came up with a couple ideas of what we thought about it and purpose and

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functionality and and then they kind of the two guys were with spoke for a little bit.

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And then we in almost and again, I'm a lot of this is me trying to remember and so I don't

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know if I'm getting everything perfect, but in hindsight looking back, I would assume

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maybe they were deciding if we were going to go further. Yeah. And they ultimately decided

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we would, I guess, because we went down and ended up going through another security

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checkpoint was that was odd because we'd already gone through a significant level of security.

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And so I thought that was odd. This was more like going into a skiff. Okay. What I would

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compare it to and when you do that, I mean, everything it's you take a watch off anything

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electronics gone. Yep. So for the audience, Skiff is secret compartmentalized information

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facility. Yeah. And it's basically it's like a fair day cage on steroids so that any

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comms that take place within the skiff are completely offline. Anything that goes into

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the skiff can't come out, can't come out and then yeah. So it's it's just a very protected

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facility for good reason. And so yeah, it was it was that level of security, which is

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the highest level of security I've seen or dealt with. And so that that was strange too

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because we'd already gone through a pretty robust security checkpoint to get under there.

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And are they checking your clearance at each point? No, no, I mean, you're already that's

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already done when we got to the training. So they know who we are. Yeah. And it was more

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just like do you have anything right now? Got you. Yeah. I just would have felt like like

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a TSA on steroids sort of situation. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. And then you

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go through that. You put your stuff in a box. It gets locked into a box. And then you

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go through another checkpoint area. I was a scan and whatever else, right? Not uncommon,

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but seemed highly unusual for for this. After that, we moved on down another hallway and got

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into an area that had marking on the wall and said off world technology said off world

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technology. That yeah. That's insane. So immediately that I mean, immediately in my bells go off

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I was it engraved or was it was it? Oh, it was it looked like it was written and marker or something.

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It was but it wasn't like it was like permanent. It was like somebody like stuck a placard in kind

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of. Okay. You know, like so I don't know. It could have been it could have been a setup. It could

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have been something just drawn together. Sure. But it could have been something that's just how

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they had it said off world technology. Yeah. That obviously immediately started to feel what

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what the fuck is going on, right? Yeah. So me and the guy are looking at each other. The other guy

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that's there. He's another green beret. We're like, you know, kind of give me each other that look.

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And yeah, we that was that was where the weird shit started.

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So yeah, we go into into the room and the one room. These significantly higher level of

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technology like the lighting even looked, you know, everything was just it was more.

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Everything was it was just a different vibe, man. I don't know how else to describe it. Like I

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said, the lighting was different. The walls had like maybe I would assume some type of

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ferritate material. Like everything was just a higher level of detail. Yeah.

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The first object was a metallic basketball size sphere. And it was above a podium. And it was

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looked like it was just levitating above the podium. Levitating above the podium. So there was

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space between the sphere and the podium itself. Correct. And I remember at one point, like trying

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to angle myself, like, how is that? Do you think it could have been some sort of magnetic

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maybe levitation? Okay. Maybe. But it's just levitating there. It was just levitating.

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It looked like a prosaic like like this wood table where if you were to, you know, touch it,

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it would act like a normal object and it would look holographic. What did it look like? It's okay.

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This is that's a good question. Then what stood out to me was the the way the metal looked.

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It looked unnatural. And I talked with Gerber about this and he kind of dug in on the

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semi-end. I'm like, dude, I don't know how to describe it. All I can tell you is it didn't look

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natural. It didn't look like anything I could compare it to. Interesting. Yeah. So look,

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it didn't it almost looked like off-world. It fit the bill. Yeah. And then also there was a,

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I mean, and this could have been anxiety or anything else. But the energy in the room, man,

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was just different. What was the what was the feeling you got looking at this thing?

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Just an unease, uneasy uncomfortable ominous. That's the best way to describe it. Did it feel

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powerful or conscious or did it feel like this inanimate object? It didn't feel inanimate and

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didn't feel conscious. It just felt like this was significant. And it could have been the way

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that they brought us in. It could have been all the build up. It could have been that. Do you have

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any extra context at this point? Did the instructors at any point are they in the room with you,

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by the way? They are acting like this is a normal Tuesday. That's what fucked me up even more.

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Like that's that was oddly very strange, man. Like this, I mean, I hadn't been exposed to anything

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like this before that or since so. And they didn't say, so what's your bad

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due experience? It's kind of trippy. They took you into this room. And maybe that was part of the

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point. It could have actually just been something that triggered on a valuation for me in this guy.

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And they brought us out there to see if we'd reacted to the technology that could have been a part of it.

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Do you ask them at any point? Well, this so after a moment, I mean, have moments of like kind of

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drink that in and then they were talking about and they were kind of talking to us and each other.

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It felt just weird, man. Almost like it was they were purposely making it awkward. Yeah, I would

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say, but maybe it's just because I was in a weird situation. Do you know anything about these

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instructors as far as like do they have physics background or military background? Most of them

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have military background. A lot of them come out of same type of special operations. We were in

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some at least some of them, but they are civilian contracted companies that are working for

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yeah, for crane. Gurb has come up with some really interesting research around how this is

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possibly SAIC and how they've done some contracting work with crane in the past. And SAIC is

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pretty deep and consciousness research. In fact, they were one of the CIA has a psychic spy program.

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This is fully by the way, declassified and known and on record psychic spy program it ran from

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1972 to 1995. Probably some version of it is still going on today. I have trouble believing that,

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they actually sunset it fully. And why wouldn't they? It was successful. Yeah, and you have people

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like Joseph McMonagal, his remote viewer number one, who won the Legion of Merit for over 200

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instances in which he added to military intelligence. In fact, you have a quote from Jimmy Carter,

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president from 76 to 80, saying the craziest thing that I've ever experienced in my presidency

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was a remote viewer. Her name I believe was Rosemary Smith. Yeah. Basically, there was this T-22

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spy plane, Russian spy plane that had gone down in Africa, all of Africa is the target. And this

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woman draws a three square mile radius in Zaire where they find the plane. And so, and he freaks out,

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and he's there's an audio of him saying this. And so for anybody out there, you should look into

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this. This is a real program. SAIC in Palo Alto was running a lot of the operations later for

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Stargate and the Psychic Spy program. So they're extremely interested in this. And our friend,

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UAP Gurb has dug up a lot of research around SAIC's work with Crane. And there are other instances,

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by the way, of tests going on with people and their psionic connection. And there's a guy named

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Chris Bletsow, you're probably familiar with? Yes. North Carolina. A guy named Crazy Story. Crazy

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Story. And a guy named Tim Taylor is an Asimission Controller. We were talking about him last night,

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shows up in Bletsow's life, shows him a piece of space material. And somehow,

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Bletsow knows that it's like not from here. And then, and, and there's this interesting kind of

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reaction. And then Tim Taylor says, why you or something? Like he knows that at that point,

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Bletsow does actually have this genuine Psychic ability or something. Well, dude, that's funny

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that you bring that up because I 100% when I saw that sphere could say that I would, if I had no

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other context, even though I had the off-world technology label, you know, if I hadn't none of that,

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I would have been like, that's not from here. Right. More context or corroboration that maybe your

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story isn't happening in a vacuum. There's a story of Yuri Geller, where again, say what you will

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about the guy. I think there might have been some snake oil and some of the stuff that he was doing,

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but he was brought over by a guy named Andre Puharic, who was part of consciousness research going on

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in the US, but also was doing weird M. K. Ultra stuff as well. He brings over Yuri Geller. Yuri Geller

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has a crazy story with Werner von Braun, who's the father of the German and American space programs,

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Randr Saturn program that took us to the moon, where von Braun shows him again, a piece of space

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material in a safe. And Yuri Geller is able to deduce that this is not from here, whatever. And so

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this seems to be kind of this recurring trope. Yeah. Well, I mean, I definitely felt that when

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I saw that, I did not say that. And I think they were, I think they were trying to see if we had

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a reaction to it. And I mean, because there was an awkward moment of silence, like I said, and then

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they started talking about it. And maybe they were discussing it to get further reaction out of

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us, but they started talking about that it was recovered in a, from a craft that had crashed.

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They said that. They did say that. Wow. So they said this orb was actually recovered from the craft.

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But it itself was not the craft. Correct. Wow. Yeah. So what do we think? I mean, did you extrapolate

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anything from that as far as what role the orb played in the crafts overall working? So I want to

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be careful how what I say I remember and don't remember, because this is a while ago, but

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I want to say I remember them talking about it being a control mechanism for the craft.

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Some type of control mechanism for the craft. And I don't remember if they had said that to each other

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or to us, like I said, there was kind of a two-way conversation happening. They were talking a

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little bit back and forth to each other and then talking, giving us bits of information also. So

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I don't remember exactly how that came out, but I do remember them saying that it was potentially

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part of a control mechanism and that it interacted with consciousness. I wanted to ask a question I

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didn't, but I'm like, how would that, how would they know that? Right. Wow. So okay, you see this orb

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is levitating on this podium. That and what happens. So we spent a little time there and then we went

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to the next object and it was another metallic object, very, very strange looking, same type of vibe.

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It looked hard to describe because it didn't get a full view of it, but it looked like something you

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could like reach in and grab and pick up. And maybe it was something that you could put on your

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arm or so something that would have to use it with their arm. That's the best way I could describe it.

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Like a gauntlet. Like a gauntlet. Yeah. This is a good analogy. There's maybe something that would

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like be like a shield, but, but, and it had like a crystal type of display screen. I don't know if

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it was a display screen. Square rectangular look like it would potentially be a display screen. And

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it was sitting, it was not levitating. It was sitting on a like a table. And at that point,

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like I'm looking at it and it almost looked like a mirage type of effects. And in that above that

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display screen were these high-roglyphic symbols that I started to see appear.

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High-roglyphic symbols. That's the best way I could describe them. And I don't know what they were.

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Anything going through your mind at this point as you're saying? Yeah, it was shit and bricks.

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I mean, I was terrifying. I mean, it, are you trying to figure out? I'm just trying to be cool,

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man. Yeah. I'm trying to not look like I'm trying to act normal. Yeah. I don't know what's

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happening. I don't know what I'm what's what there's this for. I'm just trying to act like everything's

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fine. Yeah. And in retrospect, have you been able to deduce what any of these symbols were or

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draw them up or what they mean? So I've randomly like I told you, I'm meditating all this stuff

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now and during meditations, I've had a couple times where they've come, I've thought about it and

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they've come into my thoughts. Also, the lawyer. Danny Sheehan. Yeah, he had talked about them and

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he had drawn some that looked a lot like what I saw. Well, like what you saw.

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Except for context for the audience. Danny Sheehan in 1974 or 2005 was taken into a skiff,

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again, secret compartmentalized information facility in Washington, D.C. I believe at the behest of

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the incoming Carter administration. So it might have even been 76. And he was shown basically the

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blue book files, right. And he's looking through the blue book files and he sees this UFO crashed into

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the side of a mountain. And it's the dead of winter in there. Some Air Force officers present.

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And he sees on the rim of the UFO, these hieroglyphic symbols, the UFO had had crashed into this field.

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And there was snow and the dirt was all turned up and stuff. And the UFO itself was stuck

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in the side of this big embankment. And one of the photos I could see these symbols that were

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all around the base of the dome. And I took out the yellow pad and I opened it up to the inside

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cardboard of it. And I slid it under the the microfiche machine and I focused it so that I could see

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the symbols. And then I traced the symbols exactly verbatim, you know, all the way around this

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the half of the the dome that I could see. And I just put them all I just traced all of them.

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I saw that show and what he had drawn is very close to what I seen. And also I want to touch on

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something else that this correlates with documentary that I saw on YouTube about DMT. Yeah.

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And these guys were doing they were doing experiments with DMT and they found that

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everybody was seeing these same symbols when they did the shine of laser a certain way and

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kind of did a diffracted the laser in a way that you do like the double slid experiment.

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Yes. And in the diffraction they saw these symbols and those symbols are the same.

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That's fascinating. Yeah. Danny Jones does this amazing show on this. And these guys are

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they're doing DMT they're showing they're showing a laser in a specific way exactly to create

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this diffraction effect. And then their kind of interpretation of this is like they're seeing almost

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the source code like a binary code behind what we're seeing. Which that sounds absolutely absurd.

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But if you take physicists like John Wheeler seriously or people like Claude Shannon who

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wasn't really more kind of information theory. But like maybe the universe is more information

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theoretic at its at its core and we are rendering it in real time and maybe when you take DMT you

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ascend into these higher states and you can actually look at the source code itself. Yeah.

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And what does it mean then if that source code is in the same language of whatever I saw on that

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device and whatever. Well that Danny saw on that craft. That makes me think that these things

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off-world might be a slight misnomer and it might be an interior fabric to the reality that we're

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in every day or something something even more fundamental to what we're seeing or something.

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Probably touching on something. But when you're looking at these hieroglyphics you obviously don't

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have the context of the Danny Sheehan interview or whatever. So are you what's going what's the first

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thing that goes through your head as to like what this is. Well first thing is am I hallucinating

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or am I seeing that I was squinting and looking at it and I think even one of the guys was with us

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and asked me because he saw me looking at it and asked me if I'm thinking all right or I don't

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remember exactly what he said but he kind of inquired to why I was looking at it and I was like oh yeah

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and I just kind of brushed it off and you know forgot about it. But I mean not only did I see the

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symbols but they were like changing in like two different symbols. So there was there was a movement

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to them as well. So they weren't just like static. It's almost like a like a they were shuffling and

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it matter. You ever see or like an imprater? Yeah. You know how when he has a little communicator thing

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and you're like gonna blow himself up and it does a little kind of like that. Yeah yeah. I kind of

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look like that. Do you feel like it was like a holographic display or like the technology showing it

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did it feel prosaic or did it feel like just something you'd never seen before as far as the

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display itself. Holographic sure could have been but it was very crisp you know like where I would

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feel I feel like the holographic technology I've seen it like CES or whatever it's it's it's almost

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like kind of hard to like you can see that it's a light that can tell that it's not yeah that's

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not solid object. Yeah. I don't know physical object. Yeah so you can you can see in that case that

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it was like a light display and in this case does it almost feel like it's like part of reality itself.

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Yeah that's a good way to put it. Wow. And oh man there's so many places to take this like

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we were talking last night and a lot of the early cryptographers if you look at like I think he's

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a 14th century guy, Trithemius would write about cryptography in the context of angel communication

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and even today like we're in LA right now. They're all sorts of people who say that they feel like

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they're communicated with by ETs or angels maybe those are you know the same thing. Yeah.

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Via these like you know numerology 111 222 3 through through you know all sorts of people sort of say

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things like that and you can kind of laugh it off but that is actually a longstanding tradition.

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Queen Elizabeth had a chief spy and magician right his name was John D and he claimed to communicate

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with angels via what he would call a knocky and language and I showed you some of these symbols.

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Yes. Alster Crowley said you know similar thing and he's probably a darker version of this.

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Right. You know not necessarily the most savory guy but um he would communicate with these you know

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a knock and through a knocky and language and you said that these symbols looked somewhat like what

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you had seen. Yes. Yeah. That's fascinating. Yeah. I have a whole bunch of different perspectives that

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I think about because of seeing all the stuff after the fact. Yeah. And I and I and our minds are

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very fallible you know and so I don't know how much I don't want to over speak it and add

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something that's not true on accident. Well I think the core details are remarkable on TSM.

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Yeah. I like trying to keep it to that because I don't want to to screw with it but it would appear

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like it's it's some kind of communication towards it's for sure it's trying to tell you something.

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Did you feel like anything got downloaded into you or you were not at that point? Not at that point.

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What definitely I could say after the fact is that it changed everything for me after that. And I

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don't know that it was because of the objects or because of what I was supposed or if it was just

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because it made me think differently and let me down a different path. So what happens at that point

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do you turn to these instructors and you say hey guys what the hell is that you just get let out

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of the room what. Yeah. So we discussed a little bit more stuff. I remember they spoke about the

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object a little it got brought up that somebody was potentially harmed in the retrieval of that

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item. Okay. The gonorrh letter. Yeah. The second item that it had discharged some kind of energy

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that somebody had been harmed or even possibly killed and they were they were discussing that.

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And then we went back through the screenshot points we got upstairs. We were told not to discuss it

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with anybody else in the class. They were pretty serious when they told us that and I'm pretty sure

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in our initial whenever you go to like a military course initially like the first day or two is

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like admin stuff. And so you're feeling out all your your paperwork and getting everything ready to

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start the class and the training. And so I'm sure we saw you don't read all that stuff especially

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when you go to class after class. So I'm sure we signed NDAs and stuff in that beginning part we

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didn't sign anything additional after that. So there was nothing nothing remarkable about that.

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We were just told not to discuss it with the class and that or not to discuss it outside of that.

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So that was it. That was it. Go back to your normal life. Go back to normal life. I never was

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exposed anything else again. It never got brought up again. I never spoke to the other green

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beret again. He was from a different team. Different group and we never spoke about it again.

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I now personally know from some contacts in Navy special warfare that naval surface warfare crane

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does deal in the most exotic adversary weaponry. It also deals with the DOE the Department of Energy

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and our nuclear capabilities. And it frequently coordinates with right Patterson Air Force Base

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which is just a three hour drive away. In fact, my contacts told me that if right Patterson is the

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center of the air forces most exotic off world reverse engineering efforts. Naval surface warfare

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crane is the center of the Navy's off world reverse engineering efforts. All of this just further

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corroborates Randy's story. And where have we heard of off planet technology before? Well,

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Harold Moundgram, a top advisor to JFK Nixon, LBJ and Ford claimed that he was personally

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briefed on other world technologies by Richard Bissell of the CIA. This story is a huge deal given

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Moundgram's un-inpeachable credentials. And Richard Bissell founded and set up Area 51 on

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behalf of the CIA. Could Moundgram and Bissell's other world technology now be called off world

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technology? The same off world technology that Randy saw. Why come out now and why why talk to me about

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a good friend of mine. My career came out. I saw David Grush was brave enough to come out of that guy.

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I had some really high level information and and took a lot of risk doing that and who might have

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protected my little story. I think it's important as part of the story. I think it's important to tell

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it because it adds to the credibility and of all these guys that are doing it. So I just think it's

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it's the right thing to do. Hopefully there's other people that didn't can explain what that was.

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I mean that would be some nice closure for me to be able to find out if that was actually

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off world tech. How has your life changed since that experience? Because even though you weren't

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able to speak about it again, you never experienced anything like it where you were maybe shown

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secret tech in a classified facility, I can imagine that just being extremely ontologically

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shocking to the point where your your aperture, your your your measurement tool that is what you

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see and are interested in opens up. Well, I mean, yeah, immediately that that change for me and got

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back that night later than everybody else obviously to the barracks and I couldn't sleep and I

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sit up on my thinking about art like this is mean aliens are real like what does this mean and I just

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it was it was absolutely shocking to my state of awareness and my belief systems and it took a

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bit took a bit from me to wrap my mind around that and yeah, what helped was it kind of sent me

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down the rabbit hole of all this stuff. I started digging into the other stories and started taking

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them maybe more seriously and and not just brushing them off as his bullshit. Yeah, and so it did

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open my aperture. It did allow me to start looking at other things. Then I started that we talked

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about the Stephen Gris stuff and he talked about consciousness and meditation being a component of

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communications to start meditating and all those things have helped benefit me in my life in

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significant ways. So it's almost been healing in some sense or something initially it wasn't and

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and because it because of that, I think it ultimately turned out to be. Yeah, I think that's a common

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story of you experience something kind of paranormal. It shocks you. It busts you out of your comfort

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zone and then you realize your comfort zone was actually kind of limited and not always the most

[1:01:30 - 1:01:35] ▶

positive orientation towards the world and this opens you up to all these other possibilities and

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can be dark and scary and lonely, but it also leads you down kind of a more spiritual path. I think

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a big component of that was I was so in my ego at those times like obviously I did jobs like being

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a fireman and being a green bra, not because I wanted recognition for that stuff. I did it because

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I wanted to help people and do something good for people. That's what drove me to those careers.

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But also there was a part of me that enjoyed being recognized as that person, right?

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People look at fireman like your local heroes and green bra is or bad asses and that I thought

[1:02:10 - 1:02:15] ▶

that was cool. After that happened and I told you last night I kind of had an ego death, I would call

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it and I didn't give a shit about any of that anymore. But it allowed me to appreciate the things

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I've done more because it wasn't anymore about what people thought about it. It was just because

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it was the right thing to do and I felt good about even better about it. Sounds pretty positive.

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Sure. Yeah. And meeting Michael Herrera, how did that come about for context for the audience?

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Michael Herrera has gone on a couple of podcasts, probably most notably Sean Ryan.

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And this is a guy who was definitely deployed in Indonesia. He was with his unit and he sees a craft.

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What I remember is kind of like a pyramid shape at the top like this because I remember seeing

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some shading and then I had corners right. I remember seeing these vents at least that's what it

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looks like on each of the corners like this. There's a vent here and it was like it was position

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on the lines like this. And then on each corner when this thing took off it had lights that would

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pop on which would have been like red, yellow, green and blue are the only ones that remember

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that kind of had a line that went like this. And it had some sort of scale pattern that it,

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you know, I estimate it's octagonal but it could be, it could honestly be circular, it could be

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square. I wasn't close enough to depict it. This was the blackest, darkest thing that I have ever

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seen in my life. All of a sudden this like what he thinks that maybe is this DOE Department of

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Energy paramilitary unit with far superior weaponry and kind of a peril shows up basically swears

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his unit to secrecy and takes control of the situation. He was later backchanneled with

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from somebody claiming to be part of the quote unquote legacy UFO program. And this person

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to says, Hey, you saw some really gnarly stuff out there. What we were doing is actually, and this

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is where it gets dark and weird. Rounding up people from disaster zones like Indonesia at the time

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and testing their psionic ability so their ability to interact with these exotic crafts

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so that we can maybe, you know, basically do flight testing with these people. And again,

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it's just another data point for your story because you're talking about this kind of mind matter

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interaction connection. And they're doing that stuff in Indonesia. And this is a guy by the way

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Michael Herrera correct me if I'm wrong because you know, well, I think he runs a very successful

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business. Oh, yeah, he's like it's literally zero reason. If anything, he's lost business.

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Yeah, he did not. Yeah, it doesn't benefit him to do this. Like he did it because the same reason

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I'm doing it, it's it was the right thing to do. Yeah, I mean, his story is crazy, man. Like

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definitely people should look into that because who knows how much dark stuff's really going on

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tied to all this. And if that's why they fight to keep the seat part of this so compartmentalized

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and secret, I don't know, man. And how do you meet him? Was it through your new found interest

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and kind of out there? Yeah, your experience? Well, yeah. And then some of the stuff he talked about,

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like he brought up some of the stuff that the unit had. I knew some of the I added some stuff

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that I thought maybe we would chat it on social media and then kind of just became friends

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through that. Okay. Yeah, it's interesting. Once you kind of come out of the woodwork, stick your

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head out of the water. Yeah, you see that. Oh, there may be some other people experience and

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pretty crazy stuff. I've found through my own, you know, research in this area. I think the

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common misconception is civilians, they're conspiratorial. People in the government, they're like

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these normies or something. It's the opposite. Absolutely. People in the government are more

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conspiratorial than people outside of the government. And I think it's because there are people like,

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you're the extreme version of this. But there are so many people like you who've experienced

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weird stuff while working in the government. And then it's like this kind of don't look over there,

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but like you kind of file it away forever. And you kind of saw the little thing in the room you

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weren't supposed to look at or whatever. And there's a lot of that. Yeah, let me say like peering behind

[1:06:40 - 1:06:45] ▶

the curtain like once you do that, like you can't go back. Can't go back. I think we're both aware

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and it's kind of an open secret at this point. I mean, you have Ross Coltart saying publicly

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on news nation, there's a story. It's going to break in January. You know, things are going to get

[1:06:56 - 1:07:01] ▶

kind of crazy. It seems like an open secret in UFO disclosure world that a lot's going to come out

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in this area. And I think both of us feel that that could be extremely positive and extremely

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negative. And it's a Pandora's box. And I've always formerly been on the side of release as much as

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we can because I think the public deserves to know the truth. But then it's funny as you get to this

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kind of exciting, you know, things are bursting at the seams tipping point. It also gets a little

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scary and you realize that there is something adaptive about materialist reductionism and thinking

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that this world we live in is extremely limited and just like random atoms bouncing off of one

[1:07:44 - 1:07:49] ▶

another. Like there's something actually very adaptive about that from like leading your life

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in a normal way on a day to day basis. And so how do we lead this in a positive way?

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Obviously, based on what I'm doing, my belief is that the truth is what we all need to fight for,

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right? Getting the truth out. And I think it's important. But also, maybe there is a component of

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this that's there's a reason why some of this was kept back. Maybe there is a and I could say

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there certainly is part of it that if was told to everyone would would change reality. But ultimately

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it needs to happen. I just think there we have to be ready for it as well. Yeah. I don't know what

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that looks like. But I think what you're doing is is a huge part of that. I mean, getting awareness out

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there about it, talking about it, our reality might not be what we think. And we might have stumbled

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across this historically in the past and it might have been bad then, you know. Well, the point you're

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getting at I think is the fact that we're not alone in the universe is not the tip of the spear.

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That's not the thing that it's fun. You hear reporters like Ross Colt are Jeremy Corbell people

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who are honestly closer than people like me. I'm maybe a little more risk averse as far as

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speaking to people in and around the quote unquote legacy UFO program. And it seems like they always

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get to a point in the conversation at the end of the conversation where the person on the inside

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says you would not be pro disclosure if you knew everything I knew. And I worry that there's actual

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merit to that. I do because I think we're dealing with sacred spiritual things ontological truths

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and at least in the military context, you're talking about that in a using that and instrumental

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weaponistic ways that are kind of not sacred. You know, like for our kind of brutal, you know,

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needs and desires and geopolitical realities. And that's weird territory. Yeah, man, I think

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I think there's a lot of merit to that. There's things I wouldn't want my son, for example, to know.

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I wouldn't want him to know that that's a true part of reality. So what does that mean for everyone?

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I don't know. That's a tricky slippery story. It's extremely tricky because like you drive

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around LA, you drive around any major city Las Vegas, any major city in the US and you look around

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and from a kind of architecture infrastructure perspective, most of these places have not been

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they're crumbling. They haven't been updated since the 60s and 70s. And now we have

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it's interesting the National Science Foundation officially coming out saying we're looking into

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extended electrodynamics. And that is basically this new paradigm in science that involves a

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scalar field exotic electromagnetic wave types that get into like the works of Tesla, this kind

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of unknown guy named Thomas Towns and Brown, who's now probably being vindicated. Yeah. And

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you're talking about the ability to manipulate gravity through electromagnetism and do all sorts

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of stuff through high speed rail. Let's bring the Concord back with with with with flight that you

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get to Europe in an hour or whatever. And so that's really important, right? That's important and

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ontological truth is important. And then there are risk factors as well. And so it's this weird

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technological forcing function where it can be really good and it can be really bad.

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Yeah. And I mean, I sure as hell don't know the answer. I just I hope that we're contributing in

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a positive way. But I think we have to listen to the people closest to the action on these things.

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And so it's like the the experiencers you're an experiencer at least of the technology. And most

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of those people say they come out saying we're getting a warning that you know these things care

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about our nuclear facilities because that is the center of the apocalypse. If you were to place

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the end of the world anywhere it would be at these these Q clearance facilities where we can blow up

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the world. Yeah. And so the fact that they're showing up there is probably a warning to it's not

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I don't think they're prepping the battle space. I think they are like doing recon on our

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abilities. I think they're saying don't blow yourselves up. But I could be right. That's again our

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our interpretation. But well, yeah. And so I can look at that both ways because I can look at it from

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from just my human open heart way of looking at it and say yeah, I agree. And then the

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tactical mindset I have tells me but we don't prepare for the best case scenario, prepare for

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the worst case scenario. And so what is that? And that is they are prepping the battlefield. So we

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have we have to observe and be aware and be ready. Sure. So interesting. I mean we talked about

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Diana Pasolka this religious studies professor. So cool. She's amazing. And she wrote a book about

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modern UFO phenomena as a religious phenomena. And she meant to write about it as a cyopsychological

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operation. She was like, I think this is probably all fake. Then she falls into it and she's like,

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oh my god, this is very real. Yeah. And it's this interesting thing where you stare at the

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abyss long enough to stare back or whatever you fall into it. And she's like, oh my god, this

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this becomes real and almost realizes that what we are looking at now is what a lot of divine

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contact experiences have been in the past. And she talks about St. Francis of Assisi,

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right, who sees this flaming torch, you know, orb thing on Mount LeVern and I think 12th or 13th

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century Italy. And it's to him, it's this forcing function towards God. And he actually has

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electromagnetic what seems like electromagnetic radiation as a result of this experience. What we

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would now call that. Yeah. And then actually writes in his diary, the last thing he writes is

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the Greek letter tau, which means conversion. And so it's like this force, it's like he had this

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angelic experience and it's this forced conversion to Christianity. And then it's called the stigma.

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Because there was a stigma around his experience and you talk about modern UFO abduction cases,

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there's this big stigma and there's just like, you know, desire to not disclose. And this, you know,

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it's so fascinating. Yeah, yeah, especially like a lot of the stuff she talks about when she talks

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about these, all these people that have been key contributors to like rocketry and the way that they

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got their ideas. And that's wild, man. Yeah. But the father, what are we missing? Like, what

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do I need to be doing? Yeah. I'm not doing, you know, like that's kind of shit I started digging into.

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And, you know, I mean, there's something to it. Well, the intercept, whenever somebody's doing

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something kind of trippy or unconventional, but they're also a key contributor in a conventional

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sense to a core program or capability, you have to look into that. And so in this case,

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the fathers of all of the space programs, American space program is a guy named Jack Parsons found

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a jet propulsion labs, the Russian space program, a guy named Chikovsky. And then the German space

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program, Werner von Braun, all of these guys thought that they were in touch with non-human entities.

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And they were doing Tesla's a great example too. Tesla said that he communicated with extra terrestrials

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in Colorado. So yeah, you have to start maybe taking some of these things here to say that a lot of

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these guys say that that is actually essential to our, you know, their ability to actually work in

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these rocket tree programs. And so this guy named Tim Taylor, who is a modern NASA mission controller,

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works with Elon Musk. I've met this guy. And I actually invested in a rocket company and I was at,

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you know, it was struggling. And I was like, man, how do we get this thing to work? Because he's

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a famous NASA mission controller. Like, give me advice or whatever. And I was grasping at straws.

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And he goes, you have to think about what they want as far as how to get the rocket to work.

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And I was like, they you mean like non-human intel? Yeah. That's wild. Wild. And I'm listening to this guy.

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I'm like, is he siopping me? I don't know. But he's a, he's a real NASA mission controller. Yeah.

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Works at the highest level. Well, do you look at all the names of the programs?

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Right. Like the art or something to. Artimists. Yeah. And he started looking into that.

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The iconography. The second century Latin writing. Exactly. Man. Like it starts to, I mean,

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just just keep your eyes open. Yeah. It feels like 2025 is sort of a consciousness apotheosis of sorts.

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You have all of these converging accelerating dynamics. And you have artificial intelligence.

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You have open AI and theropic, you know, all sorts of spinouts and offshoots of of these

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organizations that are buying up tons and tons of NVIDIA chips. And in this massive race. And

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then the US vis-a-vis China, mainly China, but also Russia and other other adversaries.

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You have this global AI race. You have, you know, the Google quantum Sikamore processor that they

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just announced that they say might theoretically prove the many world's hypothesis. It's crazy.

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It's crazy. You have those two things. And then you also have the David Grush revelations that

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we're talking about today and that your testimony, you know, really provides more evidence more,

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which is that we're not alone. And that reality is way weirder than we think. And all three of these

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things seem to be converging. And I interviewed a guy named Matthew Pines. He's pretty connected in

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the kind of national security world. And he said that, you know, somebody in a very clear

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two a lot of things, I think, at the Pentagon said something like AI, quantum, plus the Grush stuff.

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That iron triangle of dynamics will unleash a whole host of crazy possibilities. And as, you know,

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people in the national security state, you know, this guy or whatever, he's like, that's what we're

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tracking. So yeah, how do we make sense of this?

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Dude, I mean, I, I wonder if I think a lot of these things are connected in some way that we might

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not quite understand yet. I don't know. I mean, we could theorize about it all day. But I know there

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are people that are trying to stay ahead of the game on that. And example, that is my good friend Chris

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Wright. He's a, he's CEO of a company called AITC, the Artificial Intelligence Trust Council. And

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I'm part of that as well. And the mission for us is to try to slow down the growth of AI,

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at least to a point where the people have a say in how far this goes. Because right now it's,

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it's a runaway train and no one really knows what's happening behind the curtain. And there's

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really no oversight on a potentially the most deadly could be weapon system ever developed.

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Yep. And what why I say that is any significant amount of technology that's, that's capable of

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doing great things is sometimes also capable of great destruction. I'm telling you about drones that

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you could drop the size of smaller than the palm of your hand. You could drop hundreds of thousands

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of them out of a back of a C 130 and could be trained to individually seek out and kill individual

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targets without a human component to take away the human component from the decision to take a

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life. That's, I think that's where we're crossing the line. We don't, we shouldn't cross.

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It's extremely distoping from a warfare perspective as early as, and probably earlier than this,

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but like Donald Rumsfeld, I remember, you know, in the Bush 43 admin, secretary defense,

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his whole thing was we need to robotize or autonomous American military. And it was probably,

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like too early in the technology curve at the time and sort of got, you know, semi-rejected.

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Now it feels like all this stuff is just happening. And once you start to get these on-boys that are

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like doing things on your behalf, you get weird decisions made. And the stories around, you know,

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fingers, you know, aborts of like nuclear, you know, possibility, like that's always because

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a human is in the loop. Right? The Russia thing. The Russia thing is a great example.

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It wasn't the 80s or something, you know, where that guy could have, this close, that guy could

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have caused, you know, global cataclysm. And because of his own moral conscience and no superior,

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he, you know, didn't basically activate the knee. Yeah, what an AI system have done. It would have

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made the decision immediately and just neutralized the threat. It would have been a cold hard

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calculation, zero intuition. And I think there's something about, you know, the whole AI conversation,

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which is that the brain is a touring machine. And it's this, you know, calculator on steroids.

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And so if the brain is just this calculator, we're going to recreate consciousness via AI. And I

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think it's this total misnomer and misunderstanding of the brain. I, in fact, think we learn with

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low data sets, babies come out of the womb with some understanding of grammar, a fear of snakes,

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you know, all sorts of things. Right. This is encoded in something deeper, right? Way deeper.

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And we're not learning through these large data. There's something very different about,

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remote viewing, right? How do you explain that? Do you ever hear about the hundreds of

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monkey? No, I want to hear that. You didn't know about it. Yeah, there's a lot I don't know about it.

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No, so I'm a, I'm a pair of raising man. So I'm probably getting hammered on this, but

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island of monkeys, certain type of monkey, I think it's in Japan that they have a species of

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monkeys that's separated by an island, the same species, but they're separated and they never

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interact with each other. Okay. They were dropping, they were doing experiments, they were dropping

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these potatoes on the island and they were getting covered in dirt and sand when they dropped

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them on the beach. And one of the monkeys figured out, if I just take it to the water and wash it off,

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then I can eat it without the sand, right? Yeah. Simple thing. Well, it taught other, the other

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monkeys how to do it. And quickly, the whole island knew how to do that. As soon as that, they called

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the hundredth monkey, as soon as a certain number of monkeys were realized this is what they do,

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suddenly and instantaneously, the other island started doing it. And so they didn't, they don't know

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exactly what that mechanism is, but they think they're some kind of component of consciousness that's

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tied to that, that's allowing that to jump. I think so. And so, and there's other studies to that too,

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like you saw the Stanford did the one with the light and the plants. Yeah. And so there's a lot

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of that that's starting to like come out in science that's showing us that consciousness might be

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there's a component to that. It's that's, you know, we don't understand at all. Well, we might have

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deeper. Yeah. Speaking of like uploading consciousness to the cloud and how weird that sounds from

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an AI perspective, that might be going on with our consciousness. Like we might have a client

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server-side interaction with our consciousness, but that's way more magical and robust. And so,

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a good example is the banister effect where upload times are slower than download times.

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So breaking the four-minute mile as the first person is going to be much harder than downloading that,

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you know, going down as hard as this. And there's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake who studies all

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this stuff and he says that once you grow, if you grow a first crystal structure of its kind,

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it takes a long amount of time because he thinks that that's proof that it's it's drawing from

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the local information field that hasn't been done before. So it takes a while for that new crystal

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structure. You grow that same crystal structure after that. It comes much faster. Yes.

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If you make a new chemical compound for the first time and you crystallize it, that crystal

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form won't have existed before because it's a new compound. And the more often you crystallize it,

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the easier it should get for crystals of that kind to form. And in fact, that's amazing.

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But it is actually really well known to chemists that new compounds are very difficult to

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crystallize. You may be wait years before you get the first crystal. But thereafter,

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it gets easier to crystallize it around the world. That's insane. That's crazy. I think about

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sometimes athletic accomplishments too, where somebody pushes the bar just a little bit farther.

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And then all of a sudden it just seems easier or something ostensibly. And like you could attribute

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that to like modern doping or something. But I think it's something more than that. It's almost

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as if an accomplishment that formerly was thought to be impossible is uploaded to a central monad or

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repository or something. And then if somebody calls upon it with the right resonance in the future,

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you know, they it's it's it's that much easier because you have more more data in the repository

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or something like that. He also shows that if a thousand people there are 10,000 people do a

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crossword puzzle. And a new person does that crossword puzzle the next day, they'll finish it

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a little bit faster than a random crossword puzzle that nobody has done prior. So that's the

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ties into the same thing with the hundredth monkey man. The same thing, hundredth monkey. And

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just innovation hopping up at different places around the world at the same time, the invention of

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the wheel or the invention. Right. There Diane talks about that too, right? We're what the

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rocketry kind of happening like something is in different wise. It happening in Russia and the US

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and then later Germany all the same time. Yeah. There's some sort of maybe predetermined arc of

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techno. And then you look at how science occurs and it's way more revelatory. If you actually look

[1:25:14 - 1:25:20] ▶

at the descriptions from the scientists, they're not like I calculated XYZ and then the answer came

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to me. The architecture of the hydrogen atom came to Wolfgang Palley in a dream. Right. The

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derauch equation came to him while he was staring at the fire. This idea that the mind is fully

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separate from an objective material world. I think that'll probably go way pretty soon. Yeah.

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There's a concept out there where I forget who said it, but they talk about us being like a

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receiver. Yes. And that the consciousness field is like the signal and then we're just tapping

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into that field. Right. I think that's a cool analogy that that actually makes a lot of sense when

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you start to answer some of these questions and how this is happening. Right. Totally.

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I like that analogy that that kind of kind of sits well with me. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Transmission

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theory. Yeah. Yeah. Just tapping in man. Totally. Yeah. And maybe our job is to like work on us as

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receivers. Like work on the energy field. We're thinking about like that too. Like we're we're

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almost like a technology ourselves. And we're if you eat healthy and you work out, you're the

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signals better. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Better information. Better downloads. You know.

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Well, what's happening when you daydream? Are you constructing those thoughts actively? No. It

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seems like you're receiving things from elsewhere. Like if you're in a dream like state. Yeah.

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You are not consciously creating the semantic thoughts, but they're pouring in. And there's this

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question and neuroscience of like just like the binding problem. Like they know how all the

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disparate parts of your brain work. You know, broke his area of speech. Right. You know,

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Wernicke's area is reading comprehension. But we don't know how blends together into this

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most perception. And then they can remove a part that's supposed to do this thing. And then it

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will find a way around and to rewrite and do it anyway. Exactly. It's somehow malleable and

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understands how to. Yeah. And it's like it's like a radio. Like if you were to remove the

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capacitor or the battery of the radio, maybe the music would stop playing or not playing the

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right way. But you really need to know that it's tapping into an electromagnetic field.

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It's still there. The field is still there. And that's how that's the thing tapping into,

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you know, with all these four seasons or whatever is playing. You know, like that's it's that.

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It's the field. It's not, you know, locally, being produced inside of you. What do you think,

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part like just your opinion on it? Is that like the plank field? Is that is that where that sits?

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Is that it? Is that this is going to get into stuff that's way smarter than me and deeper than

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me. But I think there's a sub quantum field that deals quantum potentials. So vector and scalar

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potentials that deal with actually what we were talking about before as far as anomalies in

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electromagnetism where this guy named Lorenz who had this equation where he set the derivatives of

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the vector and scalar potentials to zero. But in fact, I think heavy side, all over heavy side,

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who kind of, you know, is one of the fathers of electromagnetism knew this. And basically,

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I think there's another field involving a scalar and vector potentials. And that explains these

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anomalies in electromagnetism like the Ayrnaf-Bom effect, where you don't have electric fields or

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magnetic fields present, but you do have these potentials present. And so maybe a lot arises around

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these potentials. And maybe the potentials themselves are sort of the quantum code, if you will,

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of the universe, which is kind of information theoretic, all John Wheeler. And again, I'm speaking

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about things that are well beyond my pay grade. But I mean, monetizing the same thing. And I also like,

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have you heard of the E8 theory where it's like the eight dimensional quasi crystal is projecting

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reality on, I mean, I think it's a little beyond my understanding of it because I mean, I just,

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this is like hobby level, like looking into it for me. I don't have that kind of, I don't have

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that background, but they talk about this that our reality is a projection from an eighth dimensional

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plane. And then all of them, they can correlate that with all the different particles that tie into.

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And the way they describe is really cool. They show a three dimensional depiction of a three

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dimensional crystal on a like as a shadow. And they show you how that can, how it moves and rotates

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when they rotate the three dimensional piece. And they say if you can imagine that eight levels up,

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and like that, that's how that's projecting down into 3D. That's fast. That's pretty cool, man.

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Well, it's almost like, you know, this, like you have these platonic solids, these, you know,

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platonic objects that like like a tesseract, right? You cannot visualize a tesseract. No,

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you can only see the shadow of a tesseract. Right. And that's a 3D and that's a 3D rendering of this

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high thing. And then you have to ask, is the world itself a 3D rendering of this higher thing going

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on, which goes back to like Plato's cave? And are we just rendering it in this like kind of low

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level substrate that's all we can kind of comprehend? And then there's that's the quantum,

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what is it, the double slit experiment that I'd explain, you know, how we,

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first collapse the wave function with consciousness, right? I think an extremely valid hypothesis that's

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actually consistent with the Copenhagen in schools interpretation that measurement collapses the

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wave function is that there's something actually about our minds that are that collapse wave

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function in every serious quantum field theorist entertain this at the time. And now you have

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modern quantum theorists saying, no, it's, it's just the particles kind of, you know, once they

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interact, they, they're, you know, once the waves interact, they collapse into particles or whatever.

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And it's like, what about like what Trudeinger himself thought or what, what about what, you know,

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Von Neumann thought? It's like, you know, Sean Carroll talks about this. He's got like a very

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strict view on this, where it's like, this is just how the math plays out or whatever. And then you

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go like the other extreme where it's where it's like, then no, this is saying that consciousness is

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collapsing the wave function. And so do you, is it actually with it, when they say this,

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and I don't know exactly the right answer, this, are they saying that the actual active measurement

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or just the act of observing, which one? So Copenhagen school keeps it very humble in their

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claims. And they just say the act of measurement collapses the wave function. And I'm glad you

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brought up Sean Carroll because he's the most popular kind of quantum guy now. And what he'll say

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is reality itself, quantum reality itself is probabilistic. And, but that, that is totally antagonistic.

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That is again, and I'm a fan of Sean Carroll. And he's like, explained all sorts of things that

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like a stupid person like me can understand, you know, so I'm grateful to him. But he'll say things

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like reality is fundamentally probabilistic. Like somehow Schrodinger's wave equation,

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which is probabilistic, is the substrate of reality. Schrodinger himself would talk about

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Schrodinger's cat of being existing in superposition. As a joke, because he, and he even clips of

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Roger Penrose being like, he wasn't serious. Because he wasn't serious. He didn't actually think

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that the cat could exist in superposition. Because almost using it as a way of like showing the

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ridiculous. Showing how ridiculous and weird as far as ontological truth, the quantum stuff points

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to, but saying we actually probably need to figure this out. People often say, well, maybe with a

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sufficient technicology, we could build a Schrodinger's cat. That was not what Schrodinger's point was.

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He was saying, this is ridiculous. Yeah. You can't really have a cat, which is dead in the

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life at the same time. Yeah. But it was a bit of an illustration of a wider point. That's right.

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I love how science and this esoteric thinking and science is all kind of coming together in this

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unique way. It's like you could look at it anyway from any perspective and you could find some truth.

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It's awesome, man. Well, okay. So there's a lot of good, a lot of, you know, consciousness raising,

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we're going to get out of this. There might be some bad. This is a Pandora's Box. Things are going

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to get crazy. Yeah. How do we prepare for a world where this sort of, you know, stuff that's

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been kind of held in the back closet just gets busted wide open? As far as just being prepared,

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you know, if that's, if that worst case scenario is what happens, I think people need to start

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awareness as key, right? Starting to be aware of what's going on. Start digging in, start

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identifying for you. What's true? Use your discernment. Look in the companies like R.A.I.T.C.

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that's trying to be a buffer for some of this and prevent the proliferation of AI and

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all these things, you know, join movements like ours. Go to your local people in your local area.

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In Vegas, I have my company, Bravo One Defense. I teach people how to do basic survival stuff,

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how to operate weapon safely, pistol rifle, long range rifle. Go to your people in your local

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area that know that kind of stuff and train. Learn how to be professional with a weapon. So in case

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you need to use one, you can't learn some basic survival skills. How much would you need to,

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would you need to, how much would you need to store to survive six months with the grid down?

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What kind of food would you want to store? I can't cook. I mean, other than open flame, you know,

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like, you know, there's things you need to think about that maybe a lot of people aren't prepared for

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and what, know what to do. And as soon as they don't have a grocery store to get their things,

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are they going to be able to function? I mean, and also be prepared to defend yourself. Because

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if you're not, then you just collect and ship for the toughest guy in your neighborhood, you know,

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it's a joke that I think Bill Burr said. That's hilarious. I feel like I'm just

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collecting ship from the toughest guy in my neighborhood. I started preparing and getting ready.

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But yeah, so I mean, train, be ready, be aware. Well, I think there was that moment right when the

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pandemic hit right, COVID-19, where it was like all of a sudden, we didn't quite know what the

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thing was. We were like all like about to lock down. And there was this extremely ominous feeling

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of like, is this actually the end of like the US as we know it? Yeah. And it ended up not really

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being that. But I think keeping that little sense memory in mind is probably a healthy thing.

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I mean, that was a real minor flu comparatively to anything serious. Well, we didn't learn any

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less. Right. So like the lessons would be we should produce our own PPE protective equipment

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in the US. Yes. We were dependent on the country from which COVID came for protective equipment.

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And they were tapped because they were using it totally. So like at the very least, like,

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you know, we traded self-sufficiency for basically cheaper TVs on the coasts or when over and over

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and over again. Over and over again. And so like some sort of lesson around, you know, internal

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self-sufficiency sovereignty and, you know, rebuilding the American manufacturing base should have been

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the bare minimum takeaway. And it feels like we've done none of that. And in April or May of 2020,

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you have, you know, chairman of the Fed, Jerome Powell saying, let's print a F ton of money.

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And just infused, you know, our system. And you have this thing called the the cantillion effect

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where that's all that's just a cruise directly to equities to the equity holding class.

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The rich got way richer. The amount of billionaires. I don't want I don't know if it's double or

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what you know, something that by an order of magnitude expanded. And then you know, the rest of

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the country sort of left on, you know, you be eye for a temporary period and like, you know, a lot

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of businesses got gutted. And so talk about not learning the lesson, right? I mean, it's almost like

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we got redirected. And then and then simultaneous to all of that. I think some spiritual energy entered.

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And I think there's we were sort of moved off our zombie path. And I think we've we've awoken to

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real truths. I like that. I like the way you put that man. It's that's I kind of feel like that too.

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I feel definitely more awake in in more recent times from all this totally. Oh, more aware. Just

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I didn't feel like I was this this aware of everything before, right? I mean, it feels different.

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Same. And I think it's I don't do you experience it being good for me. It's been

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harder, but better in a rewarding. And and so it was almost like in initially, especially

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you feel like, you know, you're undergoing like hard changes to make yourself a better person.

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But then on the other end of that, you're like, oh my god, I like I was like almost like you were

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a zombie before and you're you're kind of awake to all these realities. And then a really positive

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what 100% yeah, how I feel? Absolutely. Well, I hope the world wakes up, man. And I think by

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you telling your story at, you know, I know you're going to play it down, but I do think you are

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just adding to this renaissance of consciousness and thought and ideas as far as people knowing

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that there's a lot more out there. Yeah, man. And our reality is just fine. Like we don't need

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to we don't need to upload to the cloud. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Well, I think if

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the if our reality is as as strange as, you know, involving gauntlets, you know,

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emitting hieroglyphics and orbs levitating, we should figure that stuff out before we, you know,

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drop into just ends and just but bear with bear with it a little bit till January because who knows,

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you know, see what happens. Hopefully they don't just information dump a bunch of shit that

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screws up our reality. But I'm with you in that in that. And yeah, I wonder how much, you know,

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any of that that comes out dovetails with what you have to say because I think what's interesting

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about all of this is like it all corroborates and it all checks and like you speak to grush and

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it's like, he'll bring up, you know, these names of the people who started the clearance system

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for for UFOs, like Robert Starbacher and Oppenheimer, then you do also open source research and

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you start to build this narrative of like the last 75 years of our history from like a US

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government perspective is not what it seems. And then simultaneous to that, you have this promise

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from the new Trump administration to disclose all of these kind of dark truths in the American past.

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Let's see. Hopefully he does, but let's see. Yeah, right. A lot of presents are promises.

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Well, and the traditional thing is that you go up against the power structure, you know,

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JFK wanted to scout out of the CIA to the wins. Look at what happened to him. Nixon wanted to

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reduce the CIA by third this force reduction. And there's some, you know, interesting narratives

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as to how he might have been kind of pushed out, you know, for it for the five burglars at Watergate

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where we're CIA agents. Yeah, kind of wild yet. So I don't know. We'll see it play out. It's

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going to get interesting though. It certainly is, man. Be prepared, everyone.

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Well, Randy, this has been a pleasure, man. I honored that you, you know, gave me the time here.

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And I'm excited for people to see this. And hopefully we learned something maybe from

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the aftermath of, you know, all the independent researchers out there looking into the

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the hieroglyphic symbols, the levitating orb. There are a lot of, it's almost like this,

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your story, gets more questions than answers. But I think that's off in the case. Yeah.

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Awesome, man. Well, sir, appreciate, appreciate me. You know, with you working with the ear and

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thank you so much, man. Right back at you. All right.

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Was Randy shown this technology as a weapons expert to see if he could figure it out,

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reverse engineer it on the spot? As a litmus test to see how an exposed

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adversary might react in many ways, this interview gets more questions than answers.

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But three things are clear. Number one, Randy's credentials and background are beyond

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reproach. And we have an abundance of artifacts to prove that. Number two, we should be infinitely

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grateful for his courage in speaking out about his experience. And number three, this story is

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unequivocally worthy of follow ups and further investigation. I want to thank Randy for his

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courage and selflessness in speaking out. If anyone needs help with self-defense, self-sufficiency,

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or disaster preparation in the Vegas area, please reach out to him at Bravo One Defense on Instagram.

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Until next time, I'm Jesse Michaels. And this is American Alchemy.

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