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This is either the most significant event in history or it's a most elaborate fabricated
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hoax I've ever seen.
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It's one of the other.
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There's no in between with this case.
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There are UFO crashed and live aliens, that's right, live aliens were walking through
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the town, cowering and hiding in broad daylight and captured by the Brazilian authorities.
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Some of them during the capture, people that were involved died as exposure to these creatures
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And then the US came in, grabbed the crash debris and the aliens and took them back to
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Now that either happened or it's the most elaborate hoax fabricated hoax in modern history.
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There's no grey zone with this case.
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So as someone who's investigated the phenomenon for 30 years, I myself did not believe this
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case back in the 90s when I heard about it.
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To the point where I refused to look into it.
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What a fucking problem.
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Now just watch that.
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I'm now convinced I'm talking to your audience because I'm serious as fuck.
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Yeah, we got them on the screen right now.
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I'm just watching over him saying I'm just saying like take it for me as someone who's
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done this for 30 years.
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I didn't believe it.
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I would not have spent 12 years of my life on this case on and off gone back and forth
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to Brazil countless times if I didn't believe it happened.
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I'm putting my credibility and reputation on the line.
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But I'm asking you just to suspend judgment.
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Don't draw any immediate conclusions because like I did and I dismissed it for over 10 years.
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Just imagine if it did happen.
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How significant would you would you consider this and just listen to the first hand I witnessed
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testimony and draw your conclusions.
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So I had mentioned we talked about this during the bathroom break a little bit ago that
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this was going to be two podcasts now because I saw the length we were going in everything.
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We're in the second podcast.
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So for people who haven't seen the first podcast or you know because it's going to be
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at standalone kind of thing on its own about moment of contact and particularly when did
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this case of the Virginia of the Virginia Brazil UFO sighting that you are referring to
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first come onto your radar.
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So two years after the event.
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And I was making I was starting putting the pieces together and kind of mapping out out
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It could have been 99 but I think 98 or 99.
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And I had teamed up with a couple of people.
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One guy that I'd worked with in the past.
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Boris Zuboff who's a technical wizard.
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Brilliant editor, technical sound design, color correction, that kind of thing.
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We teamed up on a couple of things we'd worked together.
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And then I brought a new guy in this guy Tim Coleman.
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And when the three of us and Tim had some resources, I was broke as a joke.
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And Tim also had a journalistic background.
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I think he was a former BBC correspondent, very brilliant guy, articulate, amazing.
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We got to look into this incident that happened in Brazil.
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I was like, what incident are you talking about?
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He goes, oh, UFO crashed.
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It's absolutely phenomenal.
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And I was like, OK, a UFO crashed in Brazil.
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And he's like, yeah, and the alien survived.
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And they were walking to the town.
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I went, OK, I picked the wrong partner for this case.
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Tim, yeah, we'll look into it.
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And literally, that's what I did.
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And I just put him on the side.
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And actually, he was pissed off.
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Then I just dismissed him in the story, like just like that.
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There's no way a UFO could crash the alien survived the impact site, be walking through
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the town, highly populated town, get witness and captured.
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With that ballpark, how many people live there at the time?
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Like, 100,000, maybe, 100,000, 130,000?
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It was known for coffee before this.
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And the whole world, I'm sorry, that's just impossible.
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So I refused to look into it.
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And he was actually pissed off with me.
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He was like, you just dismissed me in the case.
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And I said, well, yeah, sure, I did.
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You can't make that claim enough.
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And so I didn't look into it.
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And I did two, I did out of the blue, I did a two.
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Then I did, I know what I saw.
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I've done all these UFO films.
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I'm going down to Brazil.
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And I know what I saw.
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I was going to talk about, I know what I saw.
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Just by UFO background in general, a conference in a place
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I guess a couple of hours south of Sao Paulo.
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I'll stick that on the map in the corner.
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And there's an island right out the coast of Beto Ebi
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that you can see from the cafes at the waterfront cafes.
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And you see this island and it's got this deadly snake.
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Only place on earth that has this deadly snake.
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And it's venom is apparently very valuable.
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And so these poachers would go to the island
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and try to poach these snakes venom.
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And the snakes would drop out of trees and kill these poachers.
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And so that was like, we're all talking about this island off
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of coast of Beto Ebi.
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We could see it from the cafes.
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And I was there with Stanton Friedman, Yadi Yadiada.
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So I'm there, an unrelated, I get a phone call right before I leave
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to Sao Paulo from a guy named Jeff Sagancki,
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who's been very influential behind the scenes
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in helping me this independent guy with no resources,
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just an ambition, basically, of wanting to look into this whole story
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and all the rest of it.
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And I respect him tremendously.
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He's like almost probably a billionaire.
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He ran Sony and big, big, big time.
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Look him up, Jeff Sagancki.
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So I've tremendous respect for him.
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So I'm not going to dismiss him in front of his face
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or any minute because I pick up the phone.
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And he's like, you're going to Brazil.
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I was like, yeah, he goes, oh, you got to look into that
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Varsina UFO crash case.
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I was like, oh, not this again.
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And this time it's happening with Jeff Sagancki.
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I was like, you mean the one with the you of the aliens?
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He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, you got to look in.
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I was like, sure, Jeff, I'll look into that for you.
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I'll just go fuck myself.
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Yeah, I was like, but I couldn't tell Jeff how quickly I just did.
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I was like, yeah, Jeff, yeah, sure, I'll look into that for you.
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Click, no intention to look into it.
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I was like, I don't do crazy, okay?
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Sure, there's a few people listening.
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They might argue that.
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I know a lot of you.
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52 DC UFOs, it's all I'm saying.
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So anyway, I get there at this conference and I meet a couple of
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witnesses and a couple of researchers and Stanton Friedman was
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Stanton's like, oh, yeah.
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Like I looked into that case.
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Well, yeah, I just happened to be in Brazil and I was speaking
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to her when it happened.
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So I was caught up in it a little bit.
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I looked at, yes, he goes, well, fire department and police
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department and these three girls and the angles came
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within eight feet of his life.
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He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I thought, okay, well, I have tremendous respect for
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Stanton Friedman, physicist, nuclear physicist, help uncover
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Roswell, like, come on, Stanton Friedman, one of the best.
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I was like, okay, well, geez, all right.
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And then I met some witnesses.
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I met some other researchers in Brazil.
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I was like, okay, maybe I was wrong.
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Maybe there is something to this story.
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So I was like, well, maybe there is something to this story.
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So I started looking into it, but you weren't going to
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include it in the phenomenon.
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Well, my intention was to do yes to do that because I did
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But as I got into the case, it started getting, there were
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so many levels of detail.
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Like I talked earlier with you guys about Saccorro.
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How many aspects of that in Carol at the Simmel?
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So sorry, on the last podcast.
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I talked about Saccorro.
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Now I talked about the symbol that was on the side of the craft
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and I talked about the metal shavings and all this up.
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Well, all those factors were not included in ultimately
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what ended up on the screen in the phenomenon.
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You only have so much time.
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When did you have a moment where you're like,
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I think I believe this.
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Like how long exactly that moment happened?
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So it was 2000, well, okay, so I was suspecting something
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truly crazy happened.
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I was suspecting that, but exactly what I don't know.
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But I was like, there's enough here to merit more of my time.
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So I went back in 2012 that I went back
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in 2000, probably 13 or 14.
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And then I had boots on the ground.
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I was working with this other guy named Marko Layao.
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He's and him and a whole crew of others.
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And they were going back and forth.
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And we were constantly in contact
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and trying to reach additional witnesses.
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And I get an interview.
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I'm sorry, if I could tell you if it was 2013 or 2014.
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I'm sorry, I don't remember.
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With a general, that's all right, Brigadier, Air Force,
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Brazilian, his name is Jose Carlos Pareda.
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Are you doing it with a translator?
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Does he speak English?
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He's spoken a little English, but with a translator,
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but he did speak a little English.
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And he said, I'll give you an interview
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about UFOs in Brazil.
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But if you ask me about Virginia,
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this interview's terminated and I'm leaving the room.
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Yeah, you don't talk about, yeah, UFOs are real,
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but I'm not talking about Virginia.
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And this is this interview's terminated.
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Oh, Mike, did your head also think though potentially,
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oh, he thinks that one's so stupid
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that he's not going to waste his time with it?
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Or was it only like, oh, shit, he's got something to hide?
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So, so I made him that promise that I wouldn't.
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So I was like, well, that's weird, right?
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Because if it didn't happen, he would just say,
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oh, that's nothing to that case.
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So anyway, at the end of the interview,
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Josie Carlos Pereira, I've got photographs of this in it.
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I've seen the film too, he's in the moment of contact at the end.
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That's why I'm talking about this.
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Because I wouldn't have promised him I wouldn't.
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I got to the point where I was almost licking this guy's boots.
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I mean, when I tell you that I was praying,
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I was like, I was doing this, I was doing this.
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Marco was translating when I was saying,
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I was like, please, just please, I swear, I swear on my life.
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There are no recording devices.
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I've got no audio, no cameras rolling.
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This is between the three of us.
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I'll take it to the grave.
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So long as you're alive.
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Did Virginia happen?
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What happened in Virginia?
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I'm looking at him, dead, squaring the eyes.
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I'm looking right into his soul.
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You got some strong eyes.
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I wanted to fucking know if that damn case happened.
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And I wanted to know and I knew he knew.
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And I was begging and pleading.
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Marco was right there with me.
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Walks back to his car.
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I'm begging him, please, just please.
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He gets sits down on the back of his car.
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He leaves the door open.
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Marco and I were standing right there and he looked at us
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and he said, it happened.
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Close the door, whish, off he went.
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I was like, and then he's probably laughing on the road.
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Like, those dumb muscles.
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I looked into this guy's soul, man, I'm telling you.
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And it was like this guy confirmed it to me.
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And I knew right then and there I was all, okay,
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that's a pretty good proof for me.
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I wouldn't want to lie to your eyes.
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You really, people, I don't know if they can appreciate
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that on camera, but you got some ice in those, man.
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I will look into someone's soul with my eyes.
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You know, like, poking around, it's kind of violating
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I'm not a press charge.
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Stop fucking me with your soul.
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I do, I, you know, I'm incredibly curious human being.
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Like, when I hear about something,
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I want to get to the bottom of it.
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I want every detail I want to be put on the scene.
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I want to experience it.
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I'm fascinated by this topic.
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I'm fascinated by this story in a way that, you know,
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I have to remind your audience like if it's true,
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these accounts are true.
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Just could have something to do with.
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It's a big part of the bigger picture of the universe.
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Yeah, something to do with our existence.
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Do they have a hand that are who knows?
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It's a meaning of life question.
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It's a meaning of life question.
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It's the bigger picture of the universe,
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the bigger picture of reality.
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Jesus, you know, this is potentially incredibly significant.
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Even if we don't have all the answers,
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this is incredibly significant.
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And so when I get to a witness, I don't just believe a story.
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I don't believe any stories.
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Usually I start off by not believing the stories.
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I like that about you.
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You have a high, you have a high,
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bullshort of skepticism and bullshit meter.
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I really do, you know, and I had some people in Australia
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I was investigating a landing case with Shane,
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yeah, Shane Ryan did a short film on it.
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It's about a UFO landing that took place in 1966
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at Westall Primary School.
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And there were 365 people standing outside
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and broad daylight on Facebook.
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Oh, yeah, this was in the phenomenon.
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And there was a guy who was the English professor.
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I think he's actually finally come out.
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He'd been hiding for 50 years.
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And I remember the fellow researchers in the area
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when I arrived, don't even bother trying.
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Mr. Greenwood will never talk.
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It ain't gonna happen.
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We've been trying for 50 years.
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I said, get me in the room with them.
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Just get me in the room with these guys.
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Look at these eyes, take a picture.
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And I looked him in the eyes,
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sitting down in a cafe, his wife had left, thank God,
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because his wife was like,
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baby, you ain't talking about this.
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But I looked him dead square in the eyes.
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And one of the fellow researchers looked at me
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and he goes, what were you doing?
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I said, I was looking into his soul.
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Because I want to know.
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Anyway, so I, I, I, I,
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it's one of my techniques,
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because it's not like, it's, it's real in the sense that
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I really do want to know what the truth is.
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I want to know what the person knows.
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I want to know if they're full of shit.
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Biggest thing in life is the waste one's time.
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You don't get that back.
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You know what I mean?
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Don't waste my time.
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Do what you're saying you're going to do,
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or have follow through.
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You know, let's not, let's just be honest here.
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Let's just get, and so I looked into
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Joseph Carlisbury's eyes.
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I don't think I've ever taken a crowbar
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and pride harder than I did with him.
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What year is this now?
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All right, so this is, and you're in the highest level
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Brazilian Air Force official I'd ever met with.
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I'd met with an Air Force general, sorry,
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an army general got him on camera.
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And he, he scurried the issue a little bit with me as well.
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But this guy had a soul.
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He had a heart and a soul.
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And I kind of cracked it in both Mark and I kind of cracked it
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just for a moment, just to get through.
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So anyway, so that, at that point, I was like, all right,
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this, I'm gonna look into this case further
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because and I had some people that I'd worked with
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in the past, like Leslie Cain and Jacques Vallet
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and a number of people, they were like,
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I'd be careful on this one.
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I don't know if it seemed something fishy or I don't,
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you know, it's like, well, I said, I get your,
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I know, I know how you feel.
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I understand, just let me, just trust my judgment
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a little bit on this one, let me roll, don't, you know.
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And you're kind of bookmarking it
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because you're working on the phenomenon,
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you obviously are making a decision now
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where you're like, I wanna do this separately.
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So this is gonna be the next one.
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I tried to squeeze it in to the phenomenon
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and it just didn't happen more.
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Yeah, I tried it for eight months,
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I shot a bunch of times and I did it with,
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it was too big of a story, there was too many moving parts,
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I couldn't, I just couldn't get it down to,
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it wasn't like a sighting, it was a whole story of a crash
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and there were witnesses that it would disappear
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for 20 plus year, I just, you know, so,
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I kept going and I kept going and we kept going
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and I said, Marko, excuse me,
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we gotta find the crash witness,
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got Carl Sassalzer, where the hell is he?
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I don't know, he's been off the radar for 26 years,
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25 years, nobody can find him,
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I was like, well, we gotta find him.
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What about this other guy, we gotta find him,
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what about the, you know, somebody involved
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with Ed's military base, we got, you know,
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so we're going after all these people,
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finally, we had enough contacts from over the last 11,
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12 years where I was gonna go one final time and shoot
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and that's when a Lessie, you know,
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I guess Lessie saw me on Joe Rogan
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and he contacted me and said,
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hey, love to be a part of any kind of, you know,
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production, whatever and I said, you know,
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I've heard that many times in the past, you know,
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and people don't really have the follow through
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and for people that didn't see the last podcast,
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a Lessie's in the studio with us right now.
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Yeah, yeah, if you're just listening and not watching.
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Yeah, sorry, so, so I said, you know,
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I might do this production, I'll get a stay in touch
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and he got over you 21?
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Yeah, yeah, so he got, he got back in touch
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and lo and behold, there's a Lessie, you know,
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I was like, okay, well, you know,
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we might be doing the shoot and then,
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another couple of weeks, whatever,
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I'm gonna do the shoot in Brazil for a month.
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He's never gonna show up.
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Yeah, so that I said, I'll tell you what,
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we're gonna be saying at this hotel room in South Palo,
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if you show up, you're jumping, you know, jumping,
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you'll be part of the crew, can you carry cameras,
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm never gonna see this good, good.
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He shows up in South Palo, gets his ass over there
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and boom, there he is.
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And yeah, and we shot for a solid month
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and we'd had contacts that we'd been, you know,
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working with and talking to and sometimes even previously
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taken on camera for, like I said, the last 11, 12 years.
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So we had them kind of quasi lined up
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and then we had a couple of potentials
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that were like thinking about it, like maybe, you know,
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and then we had others that were like,
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I don't care how much money or anything you offer me,
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it's never gonna happen, don't even try.
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How big was the crew again, like total people
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that you had in Clive or Lesslie?
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Cause we had G, Dave, Yup, Yup.
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Emily, Me, and then the translators.
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Pedro and Marco and Richard.
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So we had eight, like a page, seven, seven.
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So we had crew seven.
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Yeah, it's a good tight crew.
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Yeah, good tight crew.
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And then we had, we had, we'd found Militariax.
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Marco found Militariax, the guy
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that allegedly drove the creature on,
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maybe I should get into the storyline before we go.
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Yeah, so let me, let me reshuffle the deck here
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so that we can, hey guys, quick note for you.
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As I announced last week, we are officially live
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I'm hoping to grow this community
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so that I can invest back in the show
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and put out more episodes in the future.
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Right now we are featuring exclusive content over there
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as well as some preview clips
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and some behind the scenes with me.
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And pretty soon we're also going to have
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a Patreon-only Discord as well as some other cool things.
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So please check out the link in the description
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for the page and I hope to see you guys over there.
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We can start this from the top and organize this
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because the way one of the best parts of the documentary
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was how simply you put this together,
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almost like five to six chapters that covered from each angle.
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I think it was like six total major witnesses
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that were covered here ironically.
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So it's like six degrees of separation
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and they were all unrelated except for maybe one of them.
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But let's start with Carlos Sosa,
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which I definitely knew a coke dealer named Carlos Sosa.
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That's really fucking funny to me.
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But this was the guy who allegedly,
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you at least already mentioned that
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generally what happened here in the Xalians got out.
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People saw them in Virginia and that's why I didn't believe it.
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But Carlos Sosa was the Virginia resident
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who was present by this field
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that allegedly saw the UFO come down and crash.
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Carlos Sosa was a professor in South Palo.
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He was about five hours to the South
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and he was also an ultra light pilot.
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And he was flying the bricks.
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Yes, flying the gash.
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That's his cover story, no.
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But he was going to go meet with some of his friends
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and go fly ultra light airplanes in a place called
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the state of Minus Jedi's, which is also part of Virginia
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and as the military base.
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Anyway, he's driving.
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It's super early in the morning.
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He's going to meet with these guys to go ultra light flying.
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And I'll put him in the corner of the screen
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so people can see him.
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Yeah, I think it's like 5am and he sees this cigar-shaped
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metallic object in the sky.
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Not very high up in the sky above him.
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Flying erratically, slowly, it had a huge gash
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You said it had like a white vapor, not like smoke
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that you'd expect from a fire, but like a white vapor.
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Coming out the backside.
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How high approximately did he say it was?
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Oh, I got the feeling that it was like
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1,000 feet above him, maybe.
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He was like, this thing's coming down.
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Like he was, and he never once thought alien
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exotret, not at once.
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He was like, oh my god, what is this thing?
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It's like a cigar-shaped, new-sea wing.
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He was like, he didn't know what it was.
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But it was in trouble and he was watching it
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and it was struggling to keep its altitude
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and it was coming down.
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And then he sees it go down behind a hill.
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So he lost sight of it, but it was going down.
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Like he was like, this thing was crashing.
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So he gets off the freeway and he drives up a dirt road
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on a farm called the Myleini Farm.
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And it's January 13th, roughly 5am, it's dawn,
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He's driving up this dirt road.
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Into the direction where he saw this thing go down
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and he comes upon a football field-size area
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of metallic debris, like almost like tin foil.
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And then a very large portion of the craft
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And again, it was like, we have illustrations.
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I don't know if you have them.
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We have illustrations in the film.
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And what I do for, when I do illustrations
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or animations for any film project,
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I cut myself out of the loop.
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I hire an illustrator or an artist.
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And I put that artist directly in touch with the witness.
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Why would you have the witness described to me
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And then me translate that to the artist.
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I just put the two of them directly in touch.
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And then they go at it.
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So he sees this field of debris and this large section
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of the craft still intact.
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And he describes the whole thing when
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it was in the air about the size of a school bus,
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like those big school buses.
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He gets out of the car and immediately
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he's overwhelmed with this extremely
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stench of ammonia and sulfur.
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He said it was so intense.
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He grabbed his t-shirt.
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He pulled it up over his face and he held it like this.
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And he was like, what, you know, one of my,
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this smell, this, this smell, this is like kind of
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less than he's expecting.
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And he sees this like tinfoil type material.
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And he goes down and he grabs a piece of it.
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And he said it was like, but this big.
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And he crippled it up with his hands.
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And he said he didn't feel anything like it wasn't even
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And then he said it, when he let it go,
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it regained its shape.
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And he's like, what, you know, just to himself,
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he's like, what the hell?
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And at which point, the opposite direction
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on the dirt road from where he drove in
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came these military trucks and jeeps.
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And I think one of them maybe even an ambulance.
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And they came in from the opposite direction.
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And he didn't say like, it was 45 seconds or so.
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He was just like within minutes.
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Within minutes, yeah, within minutes.
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Yeah, within minutes.
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Because I didn't know if like maybe, you know,
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he didn't feel a hat on here.
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They were tracking it.
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And they're like, oh, there it is.
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And they're already there.
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You know, undoubtedly, that's what happened.
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And ultimately, he was at gunpoint told the leave.
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He didn't see anything.
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He wasn't supposed to be there.
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You know, what all these things.
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So he was like, still he thought maybe it was a secret test
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program and he witnessed something.
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He shouldn't have witnessed.
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He was like, it's freaking left.
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And he was scared, like, you know.
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And he gets a couple of miles down the road
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and he stops off at a gas station.
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I've seen the very gas station.
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He's having, it gets a coffee and he's starting to calm
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his nerves and just process him and they just happened.
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And he has a coffee and he comes out
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and he sees an unmarked government looking car,
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black or dark blue, like an opally described it
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with no license plate to pull in and two men and suits get out.
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And they came up to him and they knew his name.
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They knew his wife's name.
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They knew where he lived.
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They knew about his kid, his daughter.
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And like, you know, you didn't see anything
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and you talk about what you saw.
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They were all Brazilian.
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All those, my impression was that they were Brazilian, yes.
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But I didn't ask him, but that's a good question.
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But yes, that they definitely spoke.
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Of course you like a cheeseburger.
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So they spooked him.
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They're like, you know, things are going to get very weird
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if you talk about what you saw.
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Then the accounts, a week later of these strange creatures
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is spreading like wildfire in the headlines.
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And there's three girls that come upon
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in the town of Argentina, which wasn't far
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from where you saw this UFO, this thin crash.
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These reports coming out of these beans.
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These girls are talking about it.
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These three sisters, about a week later,
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we're walking through the town,
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a little shortcut in the town of Virginia, Brazil.
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It was January 20th, about three o'clock in the afternoon, 1996.
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Three girls, two sisters, Lilliani, Lilliani, Valkyria,
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and then Katia was a friend.
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Lilliani was 16 and Valkyria was 14.
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And they were coming home.
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Like I said, it was about three o'clock in the afternoon.
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And they were going through this like field
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that had a center block wall on one side
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and partly on the other side.
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Almost like kind of an area that looked like it was going
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to be constructed, but then kind of stopped
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and they had like tall grass going in the field.
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And they were going through, they're taking this shortcut.
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Just so I remember, what time did you say
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it was the morning of the 13th that around five a.m.
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4.30 before the salsa.
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About a week earlier.
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About a week earlier.
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Yeah, six, seven days.
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So now a week later and you do a brilliant job
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By the way, one of my favorite things you do
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is you have a lot of great drone shots
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and do stuff from above, but one of the features you have
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is you will put, you'll have the drone shot
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like a map, like a Google Earth almost, but it's yours.
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And you'll put the exact location like written out
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so that people can see where everything is in relation.
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And what's crazy about the girls' sighting
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is this is in the middle of the town.
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It's in like, what was it behind again?
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Now it's an abandoned kind of field,
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but was it the same thing at the time?
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Like it was behind a wall?
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Yeah, it was like a lot that could be potentially developed
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that wasn't developed.
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And it had like Cinder Block walls, almost like, you know,
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like one wall and there's another lot that was developed.
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And what were they doing there?
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They were just taking a shortcut going home.
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And they said there was some graffiti on the Cinder Block wall,
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which is still there today.
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And that got their attention.
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And they were kind of looking at the graffiti.
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And then they see this like a reminds audience,
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this is broad daylight, okay?
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They see this thing like,
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there I guess that is a statue?
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It was just this thing, it was crouching down.
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Excuse me, I'm sorry.
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It was crouching down.
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And I don't know if I can do this
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without going off camera here, but it was like,
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Yeah, up against, right here.
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Up against the wall.
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I'll put that picture in the corner.
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Okay, that's exactly right.
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So it's crouching down.
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And Lilliani, who was in the front,
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who's 16 years old, shrieked.
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When she realized it looked like
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some kind of weird creature,
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she makes a gasp audible loud.
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And the creature turns its head
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and looks them straight in the eye.
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Lilliani grabs her younger sister, Volkiria,
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by the hand and high-tells it out of their screaming.
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They got eye contact with it
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from about eight to 10 feet away.
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And she just, now she's like,
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she thinks she sees the devil.
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She doesn't know what the hell this thing is.
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And how did they describe the eyes?
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Well, I'll get to that in a second.
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So they high-tell it out.
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Lilliani and her sister, Volkiria,
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and they're running, screaming and running.
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They got about a hundred feet down the path.
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And they realize, Katiya's still there.
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And Lilliani turns back
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and sees Katiya frozen in her tracks,
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staring at this thing, just locking eyes on it.
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She's like, I gotta go help Katiya.
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So she runs back, leaves her sister, Katiya,
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and runs back to, sorry, leaves her sister, Volkiria.
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Runs back and grabs Katiya,
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grabs her by the hand and yanks her out of there.
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And what was Katiya say, what she was doing during that time?
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So I was like, oh my gosh.
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They all got face to face with this thing
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with an eight to 10 feet away,
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but Katiya had a prolonged face to face with her.
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So I said to her, put me there.
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This was like your best moment.
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During that moment of contact, in other words,
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and I thought to myself, okay,
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I'm gonna revisit that title.
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During that moment of contact,
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when you locked eyes on this creature, this being, this thing,
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was there any level of communication?
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Did you feel anything?
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And that's when she said, help me.
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And she hear a voice,
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So you're a question of language,
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well no, because of the language barrier,
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maybe I didn't get that level of,
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because I said to her, did you feel any communication?
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Well, there was no verbal communication.
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There was no vocal communication.
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So it's either done with images or it was done.
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Because what's, here's another thing in that underscores
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how amazing the content you did get was.
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This entire documentary, you're working through interpreters.
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You're one of these people speak English.
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So you are, you don't know which words corresponded with which.
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So their body language, you're trying to read like what
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draws the most emotion.
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It's not like you're hearing it in English,
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and we hear someone say the word alien,
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and we can see their face right at that instant second.
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And you're dealing with, you know, 30, 60 seconds of talking,
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30, 60 seconds of translating, you giving back,
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the same thing coming back around to them.
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So there's like this time in between,
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and you're trying to cover all these details
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to get every possible thing filled in.
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So there's got, my point is,
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they're even for you, there has to be some things,
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like what I just asked it like, didn't get addressed,
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So one thing about me is that I have to have some level of community.
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I speak fluent French and I speak a little Spanish.
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And like a giving example, when I was going to Russia
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to do, when I was working out of the blue,
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I was learning Russian on the airplane,
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basic expressions, yes, no, yay,
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yay, gavry, buttozky.
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Just like getting a little, you know,
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Jim walks off the airplane.
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Jim walks off the airplane.
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And I cannot stand not being able to communicate.
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It's like so important to me.
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So when I was in the field,
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in listening to Portuguese in Brazil,
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I was slowing time down with my brain.
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You know, it sounds weird, but I was focusing so hard.
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I was trying harder than I've ever tried.
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I would try to slow time down a little bit,
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and I would slow the word sound,
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and then I would take the Latin root, you know, like,
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oh, this sounds like the French one of this.
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Okay, I got a word there, Tara, I got this, you know,
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and I was taking probably catching one every five words, maybe,
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slowing it down, because things are going really quickly.
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I didn't, this didn't always happen,
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but I wanted to understand so badly what was being said, man,
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you have no idea, like how bad I wanted to understand.
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There's a lot of memeable moments of your face
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that's done this all night.
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It was just incredible.
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Laser like focus, and then half the time,
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after a couple of weeks, I would translate
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the vast majority of what was just said in the field,
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and the translator would go, yeah, that's,
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you're really, I was like, wow, you're understanding,
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I was like, I was understanding more and more every day.
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Obviously speaking is different.
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You start to understand, you know, first,
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and then the speaking comes later.
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But in any case, but yeah, that's all certainly
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an element of difficulty at another layer
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that I had to deal with in the field.
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And no, buddy, I would say, well, actually,
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no, the female interpreter was, was, she was bilingual.
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No question about that.
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Yeah, Marco not so much.
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He's, he's pretty good, but not bilingual.
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Being bilingual is what it takes.
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What do you mean, Marco wasn't bilingual?
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My, there's fluent, and then there's bilingual.
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Fluent is when you can communicate primarily
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what you're thinking.
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Right, yeah, but he wasn't Portuguese.
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He's bilingual in the sense that you could speak English
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just as well as you speak Portuguese,
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you could speak Portuguese as well as,
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there's no, it's seamless transition.
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I thought he was from there.
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He is from there, but he's not, his English isn't that great.
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Oh, okay, now I say okay.
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I was looking at the other one.
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Yeah, no, he's fully presented.
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Sorry, I didn't make clear by that well enough for you.
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So, but in any case, you know,
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when you want to know about something that bad enough,
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I don't know, the brain has an uncanny ability
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to do amazing things.
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Yeah, and they, I had asked this a few minutes ago,
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but you were going through it,
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and I want to come back to it with, with the eyes,
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because well, who was the one,
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Kaccia was the one who was left behind?
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Yes, she was 21 years old.
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So she had the prolonged contact.
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And she had the potentially telepathic content,
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yes, or contact here.
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They all felt that it was non-threatening.
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It was suffering from the heat.
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It was suffering from exposure to the elements,
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and then it wanted to help.
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They all, none of them felt threatened by it.
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They were scared of the unknown.
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But two of them ran, so I started to get into the unknown.
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They thought it was the devil,
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but they didn't feel threatened.
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I said, it was religious.
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Yeah, they were religious.
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Highly released, that it was the devil, the devil.
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And, but they didn't know.
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They never thought this is an ET, never.
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But they all described in the picture,
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once again, I'll put it in the corners
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from the documentaries.
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Well, they all described this figure with big red eyes.
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And in a creepy way, the same way you see the kids
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from Zimbabwe and the phenomenon from 94 on the John McTapes
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describing the eyes, they say like three, four times the size.
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You hear, and you've heard some of the other cases
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where they say three, four times the size.
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They, such a similar creature,
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that's what these girls described, except for once.
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And this is what, I don't know if you caught this,
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but we were looking at this a couple of days ago.
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And I think it was Kachya, because she was the older one.
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She, at one point, was it Kachya,
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was it the other one who said slits?
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It was Kachya, because that's the red hair.
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Oh, she was talking about the mouth,
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No, she said, but did she fuck up?
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Because she might have fucked up.
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Is she definitely meant mouth?
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Because that's about the mouth.
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Is it the mouth was like you could barely see it was like a slit?
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They all said big eyes.
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I have heard people in your other cases describe the mouth
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But she said, and then the eyes like slits with an S.
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And so that was the one time where I heard a contradiction there.
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Yeah, I had a whole draw.
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They all drew it out.
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So she must have misdepped.
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Definitely because she was referring to the mouth was a,
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because I asked, did I have a mouth?
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They all said it was like, you didn't really see it was like a slit.
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Like it was not even, it was non, it was a non.
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But before we, before we get to the second layer, though,
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of the mouth coming, because that was when it got really compelling.
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And I want to, I want to go there just to recount here,
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you had said this was a week after Carlos Sosa allegedly saw.
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So he was, so he was, you talked about it,
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he was visited and everything.
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But after he gets to visits like that day and the day after,
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is he just chilling for a week?
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And there's no creature sightings reported yet?
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He never thinks alien.
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He never thought UFO alien.
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He never, he thought he witnessed a, a government super secret craft.
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He didn't see any aliens, he didn't think alien.
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But then when he heard about the beans that the girls described,
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he was like, holy shit, that must have been connected to the UFO.
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I saw crashed, that thing I saw.
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So he gets in touch with a guy named Claudio Covo,
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who's a very well respected Brazilian UFO researcher.
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He's also an engineer architect.
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And he gives one on camera statement in 1996.
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Excuse me, right after it happened late January.
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Yeah, right around there.
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Right after this whole thing happened, he got in touch.
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There are other truck drivers that come forward as well,
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that were on camera, but I couldn't get my hands on that footage.
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But in any case, his daughter, Cynthia Covo,
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was present during the interview, 26 years ago,
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with Carlos Tosasao and her father, Claudio Covo.
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And he does one on camera statement,
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and then he vanishes for 26 years.
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I, with the help of Marco, obviously, get in touch.
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Claudio Covo has since deceased.
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His daughter has all the archives,
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including the original drawings,
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the taped interview with Carlos Tosasa,
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whatever, whatever else he had,
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photographs and things of that nature.
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She shares it all with us.
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And she says, I'm now a psychologist.
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I met Carlos right after he saw that within weeks.
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He met with my father.
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He was trembling and scared.
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He was smoking cigarette after cigarette after cigarette.
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And she's like, there's no question about,
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this is before I met Carlos Tosasa.
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I'd seen one horribly shot,
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grainy-ass, terribly broken up, VHS, whatever.
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We managed to get the original taped interview
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from Claudio Covo, thank God.
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And she said, I'm a psychologist now.
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No question this guy's telling the truth.
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Marco had found him, persuaded him over
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about a year period to come forward.
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And then I said, I want to take him out to the site
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for the first time in 26 years.
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And let's show that real quick,
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because this is something you even had a preview of it
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in the trailer that when you first put it out
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before a couple of months before a documentary.
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But when we talk about all these instances
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on the last podcast, when we talked about him,
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and when we talk about this in general,
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and like, you know, do people really believe
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or are they bullshitting?
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And you know, there's always some who are bullshitting.
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But like, you know this guy believes what he saw.
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Because this was like, I'm just gonna let the clip play.
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Some people can see us.
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I have a problem with this.
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Took a long time to find the spot.
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I was actually on the verge of wanting to give up.
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I'm not, I wasn't gonna give up, but I was like,
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that is some fucking unbelievable footage right there.
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I mean, as a viewer who's not there,
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if you can't feel that, I can't really help you.
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I mean, that's like a Dave West is a seasoned director
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He's worked with National Geographic.
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He's worked with presidents in the White House.
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He's all, that was one of the top three moments of,
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he goes to that guy's line and he deserves,
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you don't need Brad Pitt or Leonardo DiCaprio
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in the early morning, where you're the actor of all time.
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Yeah, this guy's, yeah.
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I mean, the way he just comes in,
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I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep,
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like you can see his brain processing,
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like, you know, like someone who has to go back to,
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like someone who's suffering from PTSD
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has to go back to the place where their body died
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or something like that.
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That was when I was talking to you earlier
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about Travis Walton firing this guy in 1975,
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And when we went back to the site after years,
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I'll tell you a whole other story,
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but we cut trees, direct proximity to the UFO,
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and that was one of the reasons why I took Travis,
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but I saw that same reaction,
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where their eyes are open.
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And yet you could see,
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it could almost pass your hand in front of them,
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that they were, had a film strip in their mind,
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they were reliving that scene.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like you could just see it,
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like they're not, they're somewhere else.
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And it just, you know, for someone who had looked at this case,
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originally, and thought that,
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this might be bullshit.
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And then to kind of get yourself to a spot,
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13 years later to hear about it again,
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and be like, I don't know, look at it.
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And then you spend two, three years really looking,
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and you're like, oh my God,
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then you have that moment where the guys like it happened,
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and you're like, holy shit.
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And then you're trying to finish this whole phenomenon,
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and now you're like, alright, I'm going down to do it.
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You know, you don't know that you're gonna get that.
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When people, when people go to make these documentaries,
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like think about what's a good all-time,
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or like the documentary Inside Job from 2009,
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about the financial crisis.
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You ain't gonna get it if you don't try.
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Well, sure, but I'm saying like those guys,
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they knew how the movie ended.
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Uh-huh, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
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You might go down there and you might not get
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what you need in your long run.
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Easily could, easily could have crashed and burned.
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Yeah, you know, and military acts.
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Well, so we'll get there.
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Yeah, I'm gonna say,
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because I'll tell you how close we came
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to not getting that one.
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So the, but let's stay with these two.
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Cause now I think we have so, so well covered here.
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We talked about the three daughters.
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The second layer that I had mentioned
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was the mother who then you have come by.
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So she was the mother of two of them, right?
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Lilliani and Volkiria.
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Okay, so the two younger ones.
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So she describes her two daughters
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and Katia showing up at the house screaming.
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So after they go on back and got in Katia,
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they come back and they're screaming horrified.
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And she says, take me there.
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And then what happens?
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The Lilliani and Volkiria, who's 14 and 16,
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said there's no way we're going back.
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So then he, she grabs Katia who's 21
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and she's begging and pleading Katia.
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You got Katia's, I don't want to go out.
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I want to go out and she finally talks her into it.
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So she leaves Volkiria and Lilliani
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who refuse to go back.
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And she goes, jumps in their truck
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and they drive a few blocks away
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and get to the location.
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At which point the mother describes this smell like ammonia
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and sulfur, the same smell that Carlos de Sousa describes.
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They said, if you've ever smelled a skunk at close range,
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multiply that by a thousand.
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It's almost paralyzing.
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That's what they all said.
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And it's stuck in your nasal cavity.
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Sometimes for days or even weeks.
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And she said she put rubbing alcohol.
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I think she was doing vinegar and rubbing it.
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Just trying to get it out of there.
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And so she's met with that.
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The creature's gone, but the footprint,
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there's a footprint exactly where the girl said it was
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And then she draws the footprint for us,
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which a lot of the witness described this.
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So if the foot and these things were bipedal,
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if it, let's just say it was like that
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and it had this other digit on the side.
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So when it's standing up, that stabilizes it.
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Because if you got two, you're not going to walk very well,
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but it's got this other digit on the side, apparently.
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And that would be the imprint in the sand would have been,
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that's what everyone is.
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I want you to do that for the camera clearly.
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Do that with your thumb again.
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So people can say exactly what it is.
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Like another digit coming out the side
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to sort of stabilize it for walking.
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Which would say it's three.
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Because you're at your, I love this.
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You're going to a major question I had about this film.
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Because like you were saying with the smell,
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it's amazing when you hear all these different people.
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And in other cases, by the way,
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we talk about sulfur ammonia like this,
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what they can't get it out for days.
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Everyone's describing it the same.
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A lot of people are describing the eyes the same.
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A lot of people are describing the size the same.
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It's childlike or what.
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Big heads, bit of the arms, feeble.
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So with this one, where you have the foot,
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we're going to get to military X.
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I don't want to give the full context there yet.
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People will get that later.
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But there is another great witness,
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the Sky Military X that you have later in the documentary.
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Who very specifically is, you point out
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when he goes to describe the foot,
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very clearly says, two digits.
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But he's doing, as you just did,
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he's doing this with his thumb.
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And I watched you in the hotel room mirroring his thumb
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and doing this as well.
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You didn't say anything, but he was specific.
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You had the camera dead on his hand.
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And I'm going, he's saying two, but it's really three.
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And I think in his mind, he's thinking those are toes
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and this is something else.
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It's almost like a little sight.
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I think it's like a chicken.
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Doesn't it chicken have that?
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Like it has a little appendage that comes out on the side.
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So the mother describes three.
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But I'm going to play the scenes right now
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because you have the mom draw it
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and she drew this fucking thing so quickly
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and matter of factly, I mean, it's like, oh, shit.
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Did you do like 10 takes, what are for that?
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Nothing in this film was staged.
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This all happened as it happened.
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In fact, I remember the DP Dave saying, slow down.
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I was like, look, these things are happening.
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I'm not going to recreate.
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You know, you got to just capture it as it happens.
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So this is the part where you do this.
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Let's play it at 45, 12 in the documentary.
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They do they do they.
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She's saying, please go with me.
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Then I got in the truck and we parked the truck here.
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And now the mom's talking.
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Then we saw the creature and we saw the creature's footprint.
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I'll never forget it by this son.
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I'll never forget it.
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Only three fingertips.
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And the last one's big.
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Is she describing the appendage similarly?
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Or was that a slip of a shitty artist where she draws it big?
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And now she's talking about the smell.
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Where were we talked about that?
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But is she, that's what I wanted to know.
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Because she drew it naturally.
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And it's like, I'm a shitty artist too.
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I did the same thing where you can't draw everything
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in perfect like symmetry.
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Or was that literally like she was drawing it
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similarly to what he said where one's smaller?
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So think of this way.
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We know that, right?
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How hard would it be to walk on this as opposed to this?
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You have a side of appendage coming out like this?
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That's what what's his name.
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So that's what we've all speculated.
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We don't have a photograph of the foot
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so we can't say for sure.
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But according to the eyewitness testimony,
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that makes the most sense.
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And that's what what's his name?
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It's almost like two.
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He said almost like two appendages.
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What do you do in this?
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Yeah, he's doing that.
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So we'll get to him to get all the context.
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But okay, that does, for me, that clears that up
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because it was really compelling.
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Like how just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
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And you were standing right there for this, right?
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Now, how much, and I'll ask you this to decide,
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Alyssa, because we got the director over here.
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Let's remove the bias.
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How much of, when you saw the final cuts of this,
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obviously you guys are filming,
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I mean, maybe even close to 100 hours,
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whatever it was over this month here.
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When you saw the final cut of this,
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was this how you saw it happen live?
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Was it very representative of that?
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It's one of those things.
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It was one of those things where,
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when you were in person, I always say this is just like,
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yes, the documentary is such a good job,
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but when you're in person, it's just riveting.
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You're just like, oh my god.
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Like they're actually drawing to this
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and I'm like, what the heck?
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And these people, day to day, are just normal people.
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And it's like, if they're all actors
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or all paid Oscar winners, whatever,
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they are phenomenally doing a great job
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in doing a live doing this because they're not tracking us down.
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We're tracking them down and begging them to come forward.
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So that was, so she says that and then she goes through,
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what we talked about with that, with the smell
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and she couldn't get it out.
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And I guess it sounds like she pretty much concluded right away.
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Yo, you didn't see the devil.
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You just awesome, you know, this is the world.
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Well, the thing is, is that, so the,
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I think that's why Carlos de Sousa felt compelled
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to come forward and share his aspect of the, of the incident
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because he was like, holy shit, maybe those girls,
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what they saw was connected to what I saw.
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Maybe the reason why those men and suits came up
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and they were so adamantly scaring me not to ever talk
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about this and I was at gunpoint.
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Maybe that was otherworldly what I saw.
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And that's why the excessive secrecy
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and that's why the life threats
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and that's why the men in the black suits.
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And that's what the girls saw.
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The creatures got to be connected.
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He felt compelled to give his testimony one time.
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And that's when he met with Clodio, Clodio Govo.
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Yeah, and did that one, you know.
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So I was like, I told Marco, I was like,
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I know this guy's been gone for a quarter of a century,
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but his testimony is mandatory.
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Like we've got to find, we don't have a film,
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we don't find this guy.
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And so we have, we do have the two farmers,
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Eurico and Oralina, the Fretas.
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The White House, were they living in the White House?
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No, but they were, they got woken up by their cows at night,
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cows and I think horses,
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stampeding around like two in the morning
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and they saw a cigar shaped thing with a garter.
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Oh, right, right, right.
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But Carlos saw this thing, hit the ground
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and came to the crash site.
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Now can you, I forgot to go ahead.
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I don't know why I didn't overrule it,
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how I got talked out of this.
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We went in 2013 and found the farm hand at the Myelini farm
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and he talked about the neighbors hearing the boom,
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the impact of the boom and he talked about the owner
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of the farm confirming to him that the neighbors
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all heard this thing crash.
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It made a boom when it hit.
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And we have him on camera, he didn't want to be filmed,
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but I had the cameras rolling and I have it.
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And I think maybe that's why they talked to me how to use it.
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But I have the farm hand at Myelini farm in 2013
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describing that the owner of the farm had heard
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from the neighbors that they all heard it a big boom
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Now can you, I should release that,
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I should put that out there.
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I think you should put all this out there.
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I would watch the shit out of it.
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I know a lot of people will make you a lot of money.
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I'll get you a fucking extra house.
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Anyway, but did you, when he's pointing to this and going,
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I'm not a, I'm the farthest thing from scientists
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so I don't even know how some of the sediment would work here
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but I do hear all the time about people
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who are digging up and testing stuff
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thousands of years ago and shit because stuff stays in the soil.
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I gotta think something did unless there was a full blown thing
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to where the government went in and replete
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like, operated the whole earth.
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Like, is there any way to test that ground right there
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for certain material?
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So I got contacted by a number of geologists
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since his films come out.
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I was wondering if you could scroll to the crash site.
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There's an overhead shot.
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This is rarely ever talked about.
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No, it's this crash site.
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I've had one person out of all the people
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that have seen the movie bring this up to me.
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Everybody else misses it.
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I picked it up, not in the field so much that day.
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Maybe a little bit when I saw the overhead drone shot
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of the alleged impact crash site,
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the landscape in earth looked different
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than everything immediately around it.
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And so I was like, let's see if you can see it.
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It's the drone shot during when he was trying
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It was after the crime.
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Okay, so the crime ends right there.
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So it just, you'll see, there we go.
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Can you blow that up?
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Yeah, because I want you, your audience,
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take a look at the landscape and I want you to see,
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let me go back 10 seconds.
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There's the illustration of the craft.
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So that's the illustration of what it looked like upon crash.
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Yeah, it's a garish, that's a hell of an illustration.
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There was that white house and it was hidden
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by that bank of trees.
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That's why you didn't see that white house.
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Okay, now tell me what the last case will tell you when.
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All right, go ahead, pause right there.
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And then let it, let it take your cursor off the screen
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so it goes back to, yeah, it's gonna see it.
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Yeah, don't see it, clear, here we go.
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So look at all this.
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Oh, I see what you're saying.
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He talked about an acid on the ground,
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like a liquid acid that burned everything.
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I was like, was it a fire?
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Why would they leave it?
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That's what I'm wondering.
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Nothing's growing there.
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The soil looks tampered with.
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It looks different, you know?
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It just looks different.
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Look, and I picked that up from the drone.
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I never saw it from the ground.
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I wouldn't notice, but if you look at it from the sky,
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and that's the crash site according to Carlos
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and according to military X,
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I'm gonna start right here.
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Now they're gonna go dig it up.
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Listen to the fire, so like,
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Yeah, so it looks different.
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I mean, look, man, do they say a picture is worth
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I mean, take a look at that and tell me what you see.
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Cause it looks different.
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Doesn't it look different?
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It does look different.
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And there could be other explanations,
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but like, you know, as a layman looking at this,
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first glance, holy shit.
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Yeah, it's wild, all right.
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I mean, that's so much of a...
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So you've had geologists hit you up?
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So, I went out to Roswell.
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I went out to the debris field in Roswell
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I'll think of his name in a minute.
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I don't care how well anyone cleans up a mess
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at a site, an impact site.
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I don't give a shit.
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How good do you think you are?
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You could be on your hands and knees,
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back to back shoulder shoulder,
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go through there, bulldoze it, burn it.
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There's gonna be debris left there, period.
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ant, mounds, moles, you know, areas of runoff
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from the rain, like things get carried,
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little bits of metal.
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Like, I did not scour.
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I was under a shooting schedule.
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I really think someone...
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Yeah, I've heard people say they want to go to the crash site
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with metal detectors with geologists
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and see what they can find.
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So, if someone's willing to put in the time and go there,
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I think it absolutely should be done, absolutely.
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You might need permission to go on the guys farm.
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I don't know, to be out there for months at a time.
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Well, as I'm sure we can figure that out,
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someone could pay somebody off.
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As a side note here,
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because we had talked about it in the last podcast,
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What was the thing in the phenomenon
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that you had the Stanford doctor?
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He was with Jacques Flaet and he was testing the isotopes.
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What was that from again?
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Ubutuba, 1957, South America, in Brazil.
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And what, so is a UFO crash site?
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It was an alleged UFO crash.
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Or a landing site where they crash.
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Yeah, it was like an explosion crash, yeah.
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