Transcript: Physicist Quits NASA After Discovering Truth of The Universe | Thomas Campbell

you worked in missile defense at nasa is that right not those are two separate things i worked

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in missile missile defense for what initially was called star wars which turned into

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ballistic missile defense initiative and then later i worked with nasa

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okay so how did you get into working with star wars it was a job and i worked in a i was called a ceta

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s-e-t-a systems engineering and technical work that we were the technical brains of the of the

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government that sort of thing the government manages the money and then they hire in technical

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experts to to kind of manage the the technology or to do the technology so i went there for a for a job

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working and uh yeah that was back in the um middle 80s 1980s is that reagan um yeah i think it started

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with reagan yeah and then how did you transition from the star wars stuff to nasa well

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i worked um for about 15 years in the uh star wars arena and then i wanted to homeschool my children

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and my son was begging me to break him out of jail in school so how old he was probably

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maybe 12 13 something like that very bright boy and he was just bored to death in school and

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didn't particularly like all the rules that didn't make any sense to him and so on like

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boys tend to be and uh so i went and talked with his teachers and talked with the school and came

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to the conclusion that he was right he needed to be broken out of that particular jail so

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i uh retired and started homeschooling my kids and became a consultant and that was really the best

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thing i'd done i wished i'd done that earlier it was great because i have my hours i only work 20 hours a

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week but i doubled my rate because consultants cost more than regular workers so the finances were the

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same i only was working 20 hours a week so i'd do that two 10-hour days so i had two two days at work

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and five days off and the two days i was at work the kids just had to get along

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but if they didn't they called their mom they didn't call their dad

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so anyway so then as a consultant i did different jobs consulting's wonderful because you only get

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the most interesting jobs because if the people could do it in-house you know these are technical

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companies if they could do it in-house they'd do it in-house because it'd be cheaper so it's only

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problems that they can't solve themselves that they pull people in

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that can solve the problem which means you get to do all the fun work and you don't have to go to

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staff meetings or any of the junk that you know is not a whole lot of fun so that was a good thing

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and one of the one of the businesses that i uh worked for was nasa so i worked for them for a couple

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of years until the task that i had was done after that not too long after that i took maybe two or three

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other jobs that were short and then i retired the first time so what kind of services were you providing nasa

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well nasa needed someone to to help them with modeling what i did is i made big physics models

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of large systems and then you could tell how that system would behave or what it would do without having to

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actually build it and spend a whole lot of money so i was building up systems in in the

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computer and the problem nasa had that they hired me for was one of understanding what the risks were

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in a system doing risk analysis and there was probably a half a dozen tasks different risk

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analysis tasks that were on and i got handed one which was probably one of the most fun things that i had

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done and that was bird strike when you have a missile that goes off a missile a rocket i was working on the

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update to the shuttle i think it was called aries one and before they get out of the atmosphere they're

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high but they're not so high that birds aren't a problem they're going like mach one and a half

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you have a collision with a four pound bird going mach one and a half and that's more energy than

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you'd get from a cannonball so it's a really serious problem as i recall it was like you know

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seven million pounds of force or something yeah you know in in physics it's relative uh which one's

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going fast if you're if the tire if the missile is going real fast and the bird stationary it doesn't

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matter whether you had a stationary rocket and a bird going you know mach one and a half you know it

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all is the same it's all the same so uh that was a problem and one of the things they asked me to do

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is make a model of that make a computer model and tell them what the risk was of hitting a bird and how

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they could mitigate the risk and i thought that was wonderful because it was a really hard problem

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with hundreds of variables that you had to work and one of the first things i had to tell them

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was how many uh up to the up to the time of what i was doing this there had been something like six or

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seven launches that had just failed catastrophically and they had no reason why all the telemetry they got

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said everything was working fine but they just ended so they didn't tell me that that was what

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they told me after i did the work but they asked me to compute given all the launches they had had

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at that time how many what was the probability of how many of them would have hit a bird and i gave

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them the exact number of the number of launches that had disappeared without them knowing why so the

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model was a good model it took me about two years to put that model together and it was a lot of fun

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because it was something that was totally new no nobody had done that before because it was a hard

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problem and i had to learn a whole lot of new things like what birds fly migration patterns and

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migration patterns and where they go and what times of year and how many you know travel together

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and what the probabilities were oh what a shitty day that would be imagine being a bird migrating from

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south america across across florida cape canaveral and you just get nuked out of the sky by a missile

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yeah but it's it was pretty catastrophic when that happens because there's a lot of energy transferred but

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you know i had to do the whole thing you know the the friction what it hit where it hit made a lot of

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differences look all kinds of things stuck onto those rockets they're not like the fast missiles

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as we talk about in the strategic defense these are big heavy lift things with big payloads so they

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have all kinds of things on them and it depends on what the bird hits and all of that is probability

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you know so it was just a huge probability problem with a lot of understanding of the kinematics

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between a bird and a rocket you know going mach one and what it could hit and where it would slide

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and how long would it be before it was integrated and what would the bones do as opposed to the flesh

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and a big physics problem but i put that together and like i say that was a fun job because it was so

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different than anything that ever had ever done before and how long did you end up doing that for just a

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couple years yeah it took a couple years to do that and i wrote it all up uh got some accommodations

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for that because that they were having problem at nasa in that time because they had just uh gone

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through a a funding decrease which is a political thing and the way the management solved that funding

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decrease was to give all of the senior people early outs for retirement and i think it was like a 25 or

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35 000 bonus for retiring early and losing nothing by retiring early you know so if they had to make

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30 years to retire and they only had 25 they'd give them the five years pay them 30 000 and let them

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retire interesting so what happened was they lost all the corporate knowledge that they had not all of

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it but probably a big chunk of it they probably about 60 percent of the corporate knowledge walked out the

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door in the same year that was not very smart but yeah that's what happened and and they had a lot of

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young guys there who really didn't know what to do or how to do it so i walked in with my with my beard

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and they said ah great a gray beard that's just what we need we need somebody that's old enough to know

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what's going on here so anyway that was lots of fishy stuff they let walk out the door at nasa

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you know and uh how they accidentally lost or deleted all of the data and all the technology from

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the apollo programs seems so silly yeah such a such a big organization that responsible for some of the

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most uh incredible achievements in human history yes i would agree with that yeah getting rid of all

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of all of all your senior people you know all in the same year just seemed like a just a crazy idea

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to save money you save money but you gutted the organization and it's not surprising that they

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lost things and kind of didn't know what they were doing for a decade then they they changed

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altogether and said nasa no longer designs now the designs outsourced so nasa became the

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managers of the program not the actual designers of the program and that was a big change before all

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the work was done in house at nasa all the basic physics and design work it was shipped out to

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industry to actually build nasa didn't build the materials but they did design and now i don't think

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they do much design at all now they manage the money yeah so it's all gone to the private sector

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it's crazy how many spacex rockets launch over in cape canaveral all the time just random days like

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you'd never know like a random a random tuesday they could be launching a missile and you have no

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idea like what what are they launching what are they doing what are they sending up into space it's

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crazy yeah well it's a big demand you know the communications these days have everything to do

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with satellites yeah and there's like we calculate we found out this number before steve but there's

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like something i want to say it's like 30 000 satellites are rotating around the earth right now yeah i i don't

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know whether that's a good number or not but there are there are a lot it looks like a uh a ball like the planet

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with like mosquitoes just circling around it it looks crazy in the at least in the animations that

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i've seen yeah yeah oh there it is 11 000 that was close yeah one third of what i thought it was yeah

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um and then how did you get from doing this stuff to getting involved with parapsychology and the monroe

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monroe institute and robert monroe well actually my career in physics and my career in in consciousness

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research both started at the same time when i got out of graduate school i uh went to work for uh

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actually it was uh army technical intelligence and that's where i started doing big computer models of

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complex systems which kind of became my forte and there my boss tossed me journeys out of the body

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he said tom read this and tell me what you think about it so you know when your boss tells you to read

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this you do it i did it and i told him i said well if this is legitimate and this is true then

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keep going that's uh that's really amazing if it's uh if it's not and the guy's just got a good

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imagination well you know he's just trying to sell books that would not be so amazing so

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my boss found out that bob monroe didn't live that far away and uh that was in charlottesville

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virginia so we made an appointment we went out we two carloads full of people but

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ten of us we went out to meet bob monroe and bob monroe this was now 1971 72 early 70s

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so yeah i'm a lot older than i look that was so we met bob and he had just built a lab for studying

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consciousness it was just an empty building and he said i'm looking for some scientists to help me

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study consciousness in the lab so i volunteered and a friend of mine dennis menerick volunteered

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and about three weeks after that we started going out to the lab and

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we were still doing that seven to eight years later

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so i spent probably 15 to 20 hours a week with bob monroe

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for about seven and a half years doing what what kind of stuff were you doing well first off he

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taught us how to go out of body that was the first thing because we didn't want to study

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consciousness from outside we needed to study it from inside so he taught us you know out of body

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and that didn't take too long we learned that to where we could go out of body on demand and when we

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wanted to and kind of reproduce the same states and we then needed to convince ourselves that it was

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real you know i'm a physicist dennis is an electrical engineer and we were not easy to come to the

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conclusion that it wasn't some kind of mind game so we did things that were evidential like remote

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viewing you either get it right or you get it wrong evidential we did healing we did communications

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mind to mind everything we could think of that you could then check to see whether you were

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actually getting the right answers or whether you weren't so we did that for for years and i was the

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physicist so my job was to come up with the theory how did it work why did it work that way what were

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its limitations what could you do what couldn't you do so i kind of wandered off in that space

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and uh dennis helped build equipment and uh if you go to the monroe institute and that was before there

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was such a thing as the monroe institute that was monroe institute actually happened because of some of

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the work that dennis and i did there so anyway um after the seven to eight years i left town

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to go to huntsville which is called rocket city that's where all the missile defense program is

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is done it's where all the engineering is done every aerospace company if you've ever heard of

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has an office in huntsville huntsville alabama really yeah it's a it's one of those uh tech cities

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that uh it's very you know if you go to huntsville you will hardly ever find somebody speaking

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in the southern drawl most everybody's has come from someplace else it's a uh a lot of actually

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the the chamber of commerce commerce there claims that there's more phds per capita in huntsville than

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any other place on the planet but i don't know whether that's true or whether that's hype how long

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has it been like that um well it started with uh von braun von braun when they picked up the uh

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the rocket scientists in germany at the end of world war ii those rocket scientists went to huntsville

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so that was where the that's where the uh the paperclip scientists were based in huntsville

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paperclip scientists yeah the operation operation paperclip where they brought all the nazis back to

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the us the top nazis scientists went to huntsville when that when that mission to the moon when not that

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went out of marshall spaceflight center that's in huntsville so uh huntsville was the first big uh

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missile center that was the base all of our missile work is done there and in the tactical arena the

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army does all its tactical missiles you know like tow and other sorts of tactical things are all done

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most of the engineering and design is done in huntsville so it's a big tech center full of mathematicians

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and scientists and engineers um wow i didn't know that yeah so it's a it's one of those uh

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over the past few years about rocket scientists high level rocket scientists who are so much into this

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parapsychology esoteric esoteric stuff like like remote viewing and ufos and and psionics things like this

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and it seems so strange to me that that people at such a high level in companies like spacex or nasa

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um would be into this stuff which seems like woo-woo to the to the normal everyday person who's not kind

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of initiated in it what do you make of that well there's probably a good reason for that and that is

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if you are in a very highly technical field you tend to live your life with two aspects one you have

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to have an open mind because if you're doing research if you're doing things that are kind of on the

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leading edge you can't be closed-minded or you'll never do anything more than what's already been done

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you have to have an open mind that is able to go places nobody's gone before to copy a line out of star trek

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anyway so you have to be open-minded and you have to be very uh logical and rational and as things

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come to your attention you don't tend to say well that sounds like nonsense you tend to say where are the

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facts you know so you're you're open and because you're inquisitive or you wouldn't be in that field

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you have to have an inquisitive mind to be there you start looking for the facts oh that's very

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interesting you know what's the support so they start digging into it and and they find that in

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general that there's there's a lot there it's not just you know oh let's just throw that away because

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it doesn't fit with our belief in physical you know reality let's uh let's see what's there so

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that's a mind that's inquiring a mind that's open a mind that is looking for facts answers that sort of

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thing so i think that's that's kind of natural that people that have that open-minded but also drive to

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drive to understand the unknown yeah that's just another part of the unknown so they kind of embrace

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that more easily perhaps than than just the average person in the street who doesn't really uh have that

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attitude of let's go find out let's let's read let's talk to people so i found that too that many of the

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people that are in the more esoteric uh mind space do tend to be science you know engineering

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people that are very smart people yes people who are smart people yeah and and you know when you

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referring to like the everyday people who don't talk or don't have an open mind or don't a lot of a lot

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of these people who aren't familiar with this stuff or aren't initiated in it they it's not like they aren't

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open-minded or they wouldn't be interested in in the right scenario but a lot of them are just

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they're too busy with the everyday their everyday lives and mundane responsibilities of a nine to five

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living paycheck to paycheck that kind of stuff when you when you live like that you don't have the luxury

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to read and talk to tons of interesting people and investigate this type of stuff you know most people

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are stuck in this this crazy nine to five rat race which is unfortunate yeah that's that's true when i was

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going out to uh at that time it was at whistlefield farms it's where bob's live bob lived and i was

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going out there at like six seven o'clock at night after dinner pick up dennis on my motorcycle we'd go

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out we'd probably work at the lab until 10 or 11 bob would invite us down to his house we'd stay down

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there and chat and talk with him about where we were going and what we were doing and you know that would

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last until midnight one o'clock in the morning two o'clock in the morning sometimes and i'd drive home

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and i'd get home you know one two three in the morning and i'd practice all the things that i'd

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just done that evening before at the lab because when we got to the lab we'd do work on equipment and

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that sort of thing and then we'd get in the booths and we'd start going places and doing things in the

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booths yeah yeah bob had in this place he had three acoustically isolated booths that soundproof booth

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and the one i i got in the first one there was one between us and dennis got in the last one

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and mine also was a faraday cage it has it was a sheet metal welded all the way around on all sides

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so and so no signals can get in or out no electromagnetic signals could get in or out no

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acoustic signals either because they were acoustically isolated so they if dennis or i screamed

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as loud as we could we might have heard a little muffled something in the background but you know

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it was it was very isolated so his wasn't a fair day cage mine was and bob just made it that way to

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so that he could test it so we'd go get in the booths and bob would get in the control room and then

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we'd spend the next two or three hours out of body doing things talking to people going places

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reporting to him what we were seeing the way that worked is that he trained us to speak while we

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were out so we'd have this microphone hanging from the ceiling about an inch from our lips and we would

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tell him what we were experiencing and what was going on so it's a little parallel processing there

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that dennis parallel processed and would speak as he experienced i would experience come back and

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speak go back and experience come back and speak i tended to go back and forth was easier for me than to

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do that so interesting that was the way we uh that's the way we worked and how did this all lead to your

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big theory of everything well how long did that take before you started to started like that idea like

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first of all explain what it is briefly but then like i want to i'm curious how that was sparked in

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your mind okay well let me start with the spark and then i'll tell you more about it like i say i was

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a physicist so i was trying to figure out how it worked and why it worked and what was the science i knew

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there was logic behind it because it was repeatable i could get in the in the exact same state change it

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change a variable see how things see how that changed the result if i changed that variable was i

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still just as good at healing or remote viewing or communicating as i was before then change the

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variable a little more so for the next now i left i left that part of the world and went went to

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huntsville but i kept working at that and it took me about 33 years of basically doing research in

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consciousness changing a variable see what had happened change it again hold that variable still change

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another variable and see what affected what you know what was connected how were they connected

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what enabled you to do it what inhibited you from doing it so about 33 years worth of that i thought i

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understood enough about consciousness to write it down and i then when i started writing the my big toe books

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mainly that was a theory of consciousness but i also knew that it has to also be a theory of the

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physical world as well because one of the things i learned doing this is that consciousness is fundamental

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and the physical world is not and i learned that because i could do things within consciousness that

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changed or affected the physical world right but i couldn't do anything in the physical world that

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actually fundamentally changed consciousness so the arrow of causality was from consciousness to the

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physical so knowing that consciousness was fundamental then the physical world had to be derivable from

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the understanding of consciousness and how consciousness worked and i uh worked on that problem and

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probably about two three years after i published my big toe books i got a couple of aha moments and i was able to

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derive quantum physics directly so quantum physics has some big mysteries in it why should reality be

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probability at the at the bottom level you drill down into reality when you get to the bottom you don't find little particles

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you find probability and also you know these these things came out of the double slit experiment which was

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1915 to 1925 is kind of when that was taking place the other thing they found out was that this is the

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observer effect right yeah the the observer effect that what the what the what the man what the human knew

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the information he knew would change what the result of the experiment was so that was the observer effect

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if he knew these facts then you get one answer from the experiment if he didn't know those facts you'd get a

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different answer so that said that we were entangled some way with our reality it wasn't just that you know

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there was this physical reality and the idea that reality was physical was thrown out because

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the way you the way you compute things in the physical reality is with probability not with particles and

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you know the physicists that are the atom smashers you know the ones that go to cern and bang particles

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into targets or into each other and look at what comes out the other side they will all tell you and

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it's pretty much an accepted idea in physics that reality is not matter-based it's information-based

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that's they will tell you yeah they will tell you that physics that's a pretty accepted

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viewpoint in physics that reality is information-based now they won't go any further than that

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because they don't know what the next step is and actually the founding fathers of of quantum physics

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which would have been you know bohr and and plunk and schrodinger and heisenberg all those guys and

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then eventually einstein came over and joined them as well they also came to the conclusion that consciousness was fundamental

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you get quotes from all of those guys with that as their as their takeaway from doing the double slit experiment

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consciousness was fundamental you can dig up a quote of einstein writing to to uh bomb who was a kind of a student co-worker with him

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um saying that i know that consciousness has to be at the root and has to be fundamental but

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i have no idea how to turn that into physics i have no idea what to do with that right so they they knew

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the crazy thing about physics and consciousness is it doesn't make sense it doesn't there's no path

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to consciousness from dead matter right but but there is a path the other way right there is a

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path from consciousness to physics so with you know the physicists ever since the double split the

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physicists have realized there was some paradigm some shift in the way that you look at reality

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that would make quantum physics be rational you know they call quantum physics just weird science

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nobody will ever understand quantum physics you know that was a quote from a nobel laureate but anyway

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so they were looking for this new paradigm shift that would enable them to understand what happened

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with the double slit understand quantum physics and now it's been 100 years 2025 was a was 100 years later

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no progress not even a small step forward in coming up with that paradigm shift well

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i came up with that paradigm shift i understand that i can derive quantum physics from consciousness

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from an understanding of consciousness so that is you know the big toe you know it's a theory of

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everything i found out that not only could i explain quantum physics but i could explain relativity the big

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the big unknown there is why is the speed of light a constant it's always a constant you can't go slower it

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can't go faster it always goes just the speed of light and if you have a source like a flashlight and

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the flashlight's going you know one half the speed of light then you turn the flashlight on you'd expect

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the light coming out would go faster would go you know one and a half times the speed of light but it

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doesn't it's invariant to the velocity of the source it always goes just the speed of light and that i was able to show

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logically as well how why that works and then the neat thing is that once you understand consciousness

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you not only can derive the objective world which is basically physics you can also derive

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a scientific model of the subjective world and then you can understand why some people are happy and some

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people aren't you can understand what we're here for what's the purpose of us being here and how are we

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here and it all falls out logically and scientifically no assumptions the only assumption in it is that

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consciousness exists everything else is just is just logic and it's a it's science it also tells you uh you

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you know it informs uh what makes changes in metaphysics it answers all the paradoxes in metaphysics

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answers all the paradoxes in physics physics has a lot of paradoxes that they know things are like this

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but they don't know why you know the speed of light and the quantum physics are just two of those that

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there's a whole bunch of those it's like i came up with about 35 of them and this model answers all of

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those all of those paradoxes so i guess that's kind of how i got there is that i worked on it for for

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many many years trying to understand how consciousness worked and i worked from the inside so i could do

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those things i could heal i could you know remote view i could i could do those and see how they were

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affected what do you mean heal heal you can use your mind to modify the prop well heal i mean heal

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somebody's ill you can heal them with your mind that is a that's a real thing you can do that matter

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of fact that you've done that oh sure i've done that many times matter of fact there's a book coming out

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in the near future that talks about one particular lady that i saved her life a couple of times she's

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going to write a book about it from her from her experience but yeah i do that a lot the way that

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works is that you have you have this reality is a computed reality it's information-based reality like

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the physicists say so it is a computed reality and that means it could be a simulation or it could

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be or could be a virtual reality it's computed it's computed by consciousness consciousness is

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best modeled as an information system what's the difference between a simulation and a virtual reality

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nothing okay really there's nothing it's just one seems to sound like science and the other seems to

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sound like woo woo but they're basically the same thing so we're kind of getting ahead of the game here

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but i'll go ahead and and give a little summary of that so you have consciousness as they say is best

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model as a information system so what are you conscious of you're conscious of what your five

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senses pick up right you got sight sound taste feel okay you've got all these things smell so those are

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five senses if you got rid of that what would you be aware of only one thing that you exist it'd be

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like the day car moment you wouldn't have an earthworm yeah you would just know that you existed you would

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be aware that you were aware and that was that was all you wouldn't have any sense data so what does your

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consciousness do it has sensors it gets input from the sensors that input then it has processing it

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processes that input it compares it to inputs you've gotten before so it has to have memory and then

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after it has that memory it goes back and processes a little more and then it has output okay what are

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you going to do about that sense data that you just got you know you have to make some kind of choices

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that's the output so what kind of system has input processing memory processing and output it's an

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information system that's a that's just basically the definition basic definition of an information

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system yeah so consciousness you can think of it as an information system right now the second thing

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is that if you think of an information system just any generic information system if all the bits in that

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information system are random then by definition there is no information okay all the bits are random

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there is no information so if you order the bits make some kind of order in the bits then that ordered

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those ordered bits can stand for something that particular ordering can be a symbol for something could

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be the number six or it could be the letter a or it could be anything that you want to make it a symbol for

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so when you take something random and you order it you are lowering its entropy right entropy is a

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measure of disorder right so thermodynamics thermodynamics second law of thermodynamics says that

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entropy happens over time in a closed system over time the heat death of the universe is

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yeah uh increasing entropy over time yeah so all systems uh naturally increase their entropy with time

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everything has a shelf life so anyway so an information system then evolves by creating information

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meaningful information significant information at least significant to it that means it evolves by lowering

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it's entropy ordering things creates a lower entropy creates information so now just talking about information

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systems in general so but like okay so how how is that lowering entropy for example like like if you have a

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hard drive right you have a blank hard drive it's all ones or it's all zeros when you get it and it's blank and then you add data to the hard drive

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then it becomes one one zero zero zero one one zero zero zero one one one one zero zero zero zero then it becomes high entropy

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right because that's more chaotic no that's more ordered

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those things aren't just randomly if all you did is make it random ones and zeros

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that would be more chaotic if you just go into your hard drive and you had some kind of program that randomly put ones and zeros places

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that would be chaos but if those ones and zeros mean something okay there's a one zero zero one and that means the letter a or that means a number six or that means something else

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then that you're creating order each one of those pieces of data you put on that hard drive are a very specific

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ordered configuration of ones and zeros that have right meaning but is that higher entropy or lower entropy

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than all ones or all zeros that is lower entropy all ones and all zeros don't have any information in it

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there is no information there but there's also no chaos there it's all it's all purely order it's all ones

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all zeros yeah you could say yeah we can say that um we're kind of splitting hairs there but no i'm just i'm

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just confused because i've heard other people explain this uh this analogy to me in this way yeah well yes if

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you have all all ones then there's sort of order of the ones you know if you have it laid out in some

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big grid there would be ones everywhere so there's a certain amount of order there as opposed to random

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ones and zeros so yes if you had random ones and zeros then you ordered them and made all ones or all ones

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at this place and all zeros the next place then that would lower entropy a little bit but it would be

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kind of an insignificant lowering of entropy it might lower entropy that much it wouldn't be a very

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meaningful thing you know okay so all the ones are now on the line so what you know what is the

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significance what can you do with that what does that mean and it really doesn't have a whole lot

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of meaning but if you order them in such a way that it it is the numbers the number system now you have

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lots of potential there you have lots of things you've defined the number one and the number two

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and a b c d and alphabets and now you can pick language and you can do math so that is lowering

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entropy that much now you've created um a lower entropy because of the the meaning the significance

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the capability the potential of what you've created that's why the entropy is is lower you know it's all

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i also hear it said another way where they say okay you have a bunch of soldiers and we know war is

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very it's very uh high entropy and all the soldiers are marching in line and they all

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move the right foot at the same time and isn't that low entropy yes it is but that's low entropy that's

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insignificant uh what's significant about soldiers is that they go out and kill other soldiers and that's

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real high entropy right so yes you can you can lower entropy just by putting all your ones in a row but

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that is that that lowering of entropy doesn't buy you anything it doesn't give you much other than the

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fact that all your ones are in a row right so what's important about the entropy that i'm talking about

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here is the significance the meaning the potentiality of it what what can it do now there's there's two

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ways of looking at entropy one is just the order and disorder that we talked about there's another equal

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expression of it is as you look at the system and say what how much work can the system do what can the

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system do what can it perform okay so you have a bottle of gasoline and as long as all the molecules

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of gasoline are in the bottle you can put a fuse on it and throw it like a molotov cocktail and it'll

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make a big bang there's a lot of energy that's released but if you just leave the cap off for a few

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months and all the gasoline molecules go out and okay now disorder right they were ordered all in the jug

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now they're all disordered right but how much work can it do nothing it no longer has the ability to

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do work so this thing of the ability to to accomplish something is also another description of entropy not

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just order and disorder but right what is its ability to do something and when you have say numbers and

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alphabets that gives you an ability to do something much greater so the entropy there is

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much lower so anyway so we have consciousness as an information system consciousness evolves moves

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forward by creating more useful information and if you let that progress for a while you'll find that

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eventually it it kind of plateaus out it's making say it's making patterns and patterns of patterns and so

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on and then it takes two of its elements and goes back and forth between a one and a zero and now

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it has regular times and now you can make sequence of patterns but eventually it tops out and when it

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tops out what can it do to create more novelty more space in which to evolve into and what it does is the

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same things our cell does it takes a piece of itself with all the capabilities of itself but a small piece

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and it gives that small piece free will so it takes now you have the big monolithic consciousness that

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kind of plateaued out but now you have another piece that has free will and now you have maybe thousands

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or tens of thousands of pieces that have free will and that's what you and i are we're pieces of

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consciousness so i call these individuated unit of consciousness and now you've created a social system

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okay and they have free will so with free will you have the possibility of an argument you have a

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possibility of different points of view and suddenly there's more possibilities that you can move into

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the the all the pieces can work together to come up with something more than any one of them would be

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able to produce on their own so that is the way consciousness evolved and i can make an argument but i won't go

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through the the details but it's a logical path to say that once you have a social system then and what

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you're trying to do is lower entropy you lower entropy in a social system through cooperation working

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together okay caring you raise entropy in a social system by you know refusing to work together by being

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self-centered it's all about me and that then splits off into what i call the love side and the fear side

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so consciousness is evolving toward the love side the becoming love cooperation that is positive evolution

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on the fear side if you're fearful you don't trust if you don't trust you don't cooperate if you know it's it's the

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negative side the fear is self-destructive right so i could we could get into more detail but i won't

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go there now it's it's fairly obvious that that's the case so then we come to the amazing idea that

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consciousness is evolving toward cooperation the caring the love side and that the individuated units

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of consciousness that's what really you and i are that our job is to make choices in which we express

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the cooperation and the caring and the love because that helps us lower our entropy and as we lower our

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entropy the whole system entropy lowers because we're just a piece of it we're just subsets virtual

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machines inside a bigger machine if you want a computer metaphor so that's the that's the overall thing now if

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you understand that then that matches real well with the physicist saying that reality is information

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based okay because these individuated units of consciousness now are supposed to make good

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choices but basically what they've got is like a big chat room right they communicate with each other

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the first virtual reality is just communication protocols a virtual reality is just defined by a rule set

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here's the rules if you're going to be part of this virtual reality you have to abide with these rules

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well so they could all communicate but that's a very slow process of growing up just by communicating

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so the system says i need to make another virtual reality where um there's more meaningful interaction

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not just communication but where where there is uh more significant issues and significant problems

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so what it does is it gets a a rule set together just like you had a rule set for the communications it

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gets a rule set it gets initial conditions which are ball of plasma very high temperature very high

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pressure now we're talking big digital bang the rule sets what we call science and physics so it pushes a run

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button and the ball of plasma expands cools does what it does according to the rules and it goes just a

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little bit and it bombs because the rule set isn't perfect yet and the initial conditions aren't perfect

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yet so the system changes it you know big digital bang take two and so on so the the actual rule set and

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the initial conditions over thousands of iterations of this gets to be uh tuned to give you a more stable longer

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than that's why we have this thing called the uh the anthropic and anthropic cosmological principle

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you've probably heard of that that uh scientists have come up with this knowledge that there's

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a whole set i think it's like seven eight nine different variables that all have to be tuned to each other

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to like eight decimal places and if you don't have that if you don't have all those conditions then

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life is impossible we wouldn't be here right that's called the you know the anthropic principle because it

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makes it sound like uh the universe was built just for us because it's just this perfect way that would

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allow life to be you know to exist here and the problem that physics has with that is that they have

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this idea that evolution is always run by random processes you know you have a random process you

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see something just happens and if it's a good thing it continues if it's a bad thing it goes away

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and they're all random processes but you can't get seven or eight things tuned to each other to

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eight decimal places randomly the probability of that is you know is close to zero so that leaves how did

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that get organized how did that happen well this big digital bang take one take two take a hundred

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thousand that's the process that created that uh you know those kind of processes so then what this

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leads us to then is that this virtual reality evolved it wasn't programmed it evolved just like

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the physicists say from the big bang it evolved except it did that in the computer the computer was just

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a subset of this larger consciousness system that i call it that configured itself as a computer it's

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an information system it can configure part of itself as a computer it's done math it's learned math it's

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learned all those things as it's as it evolved like you would think that it would so i'm skipping a lot of

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steps here but that i'm just getting to the very end point that makes this physical reality a virtual reality

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an entropy reduction trainer for individuated units of consciousness and here we are we're a piece of

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consciousness playing a human avatar that human avatar has evolved in this big from this big digital bang with

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a rule set we call science that's what scientists do they try to figure out what the rules are and with initial conditions

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so then this supports the the thesis that this is a virtual reality but unlike other people who have

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that thesis mine is it's a virtual reality computed by consciousness as an entropy reduction trainer for

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consciousness because that helps the whole system evolve toward love so right that comes out to be pretty

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sweet i didn't expect any of that all of this was done logically one step at a time and actually it

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surprised me a lot as it came together the logic of it this is not logic that says well this could happen

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this is logic that says this must happen it has to develop this way so it's not a justification of

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your first order and thank you to cornbread hemp for sponsoring this episode so do you think that there

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are other parallel information systems or computations or yeah or is there a base a base

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for physical is there do you think a physical world does exist somewhere no there is that's

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no such thing as a physical world there's no such thing as physical it's all just information right

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everything everything so there's no there's no if you think of some people who imagine simulation

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theory they imagine that there's some physical base reality somewhere right they do and i reject that

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there is none that does not make good sense to me that it's like that it's all information are there

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other virtual realities besides this one yes of course i've been to probably six or seven of them

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so you can travel once you are able to travel around in consciousness then you can see the bigger

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picture more more easily so there are these other realities and the rule sets some of them are a very

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tight rule set like this one which makes you know every energy exchange is is is what required by the

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rules you know it's very detailed and then there's another other virtual realities like when you dream

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that's another virtual reality but it's not that buttoned down the rule sets very loose you can fly you

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can teleport you can do all kinds of things and dreams that you can't do here because you have a virtual

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reality that doesn't have this tight rule set but there are other virtual realities that do have

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tight rule sets and they're very physical like and you can visit them in multiple ways you can visit them

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by just connecting mentally to the characters so you can kind of hear what they're saying

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and you can visit them by actually getting if you have a good working relationship with a larger

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conscious system you can actually get insinuated into their data stream so that now you're physical

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quite on physical in that in that particular virtual reality and you can do that as well but you can't

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do that on your own you're talking about like dreams or altered states of consciousness through meditation

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or through psychedelics things like this yes but i would say don't go through psychedelics that will get

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you that will get you there but it gets you there without the without the knowledge and experience

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to really know what you're doing in other words yes drugs do put you into what i would call the larger

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reality it's not that they put you in just imaginary space it's real what you get for these drugs but

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it's like being shot up in a bottle rocket oh you know you go up you're there and then you crash right

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it's not if you anything that you can do in a psychedelic you can do much better without it really yes you

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can do it much better much more fully you can experience much more in depth it's not just a flash that

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you pass through it's a thing that you learn you go there you learn what's going on you interact you

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become part of that that thing you're not just being shot through an experience you're actually

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connected in that reality frame you can go there and and stay there and stay there as long as you want

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to stay there time is very different in different reality frames have you ever tried psychedelics

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no i don't take psychedelics because my consciousness is very precious to me and i don't

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want to pollute it with uh with that uh so i i didn't but i've talked to lots of people who do

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and they've explained their trips and what they've learned and whatever and all of it is places i've

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already been but i've been there in a controlled way where i can understand what's going on if i don't

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understand i can i can ask the questions and get information so it's like the difference between

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you know going to let's say the grand canyon and and going hiking in it and going down the river and

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spending a couple of months hiking around in it or being flying over in an airplane right or watching

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a video or watching a video about it that's kind of the difference so the the drugs do put you in a real

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space but it's um if you don't actually own it you know if you're not doing it on your own then the

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problem with it is you you it's like a cheat well it's not only a cheat it's worse than that you tend

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to interpret the data the way the way the system works is you get a data stream and you have to

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interpret the data okay that's the same way all virtual realities work you know you're playing world

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of warcraft the computer sends your computer a data stream and it puts that data stream into a

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million dots of light on your screen you're taking binary bits that are coming through a data stream and

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it's being projected onto a big uh computer monitor right that's showing you 3d people moving around

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well what it's showing you is a million dots of light right and you're looking at those million dots

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of light and you're saying oh that's a river and that's a tree and this is another human and

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and so on you interpret those bits giving it meaning to be that you give those bits meaning it's your

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interpretation is your reality so we get a data stream and how we interpret that data stream is

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our reality so you take a drug and okay now your data stream is different it's not just the data

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defining this virtual reality anymore now it's data or something else altogether but it's not something

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you've explored and understand it's just it's just there now you have to interpret that data if you're not

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prepared and you haven't worked your way through this people tend to be fearful and they start to

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interpret this data in fearful ways in the beginning usually it's positive and happy stuff and eventually

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it tends to turn negative and becomes scary stuff but that's them that's their interpretation

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your reality even your reality here in this physical reality is your interpretation of the data you get

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so everybody really lives in their own reality it's a multiplayer game so we agree this is a table

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because it's a multiplayer game just like two characters sit down at a table together in the sims

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they they understand that that's a table because this computer is giving them both that that information

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and they both interpret it in a similar way but your reality is really your own interpretation of the data you get

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so in the subjective world your interpretation is very large and very different from other people's interpretation

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in the objective world everybody kind of agrees about the table and where it is and what color it is and so on

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its physical characteristics in the subjective world that's not true everybody sees it in their own way

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and the way you see it is the way you interpret it which has to do with how you are so if you're a fearful person

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you're going to end up with fearful components if you're not a fearful person you won't end up with

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fearful components because you won't interpret it that way oh here's this big black thing what is that

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oh it's a monster because i'm fearful that i might get bitten out there but if you're not fearful then oh it's a

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it's a cloud and look i see the silver lining around it and it's a happy cloud so it's how you interpret

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this thing so if you go up on drugs then you don't know how to interpret it correctly you tend to

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interpret it based on what you are inside who you are so you get a lot of you get a lot of self-created

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stuff there along with the real stuff so it's a hodgepodge of stuff that you're creating and stuff

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that's there and you don't know how to separate it whereas if you just go up because you've learned

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the skills to be able to go there and do that then you don't have all that you you learn to

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you learn to interpret the data over time over years of experience same looking at a screen you know you

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when you're first when you're first born okay this is an apple and this is mommy and this is a door

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and you learn things it takes time for you to to learn how to interpret things properly yeah now you

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see all the dots of light on your screen oh right away there's the mom the apple the door you know how

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to interpret it but that's because you spend a lot of time learning when you take a drug and go there

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you haven't spent the time learning so it gets a little squirrely and it's not always what you see

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and what you think you've seen isn't necessarily what the data was at all you are you're adding to

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that data stream data stream can data can come to you from three sources the larger conscious system

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some other consciousness all consciousnesses is netted and from yourself your piece of consciousness you can

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create information and none of those sources have tags on you don't you can't tell them apart except with

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experience with experience you can sort those out without it it's just a jumble so you don't know

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the data you create out of your fear is as real as the data that comes from the system you can't

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separate them so you think there's one monolithic consciousness that exists and that we are all

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little fragments of that same consciousness yes and it's all connected yes we are subsets of that so you

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know this this uh happy uh saying about we're all one it's really true we are we're all subsets of that

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piece of consciousness and we are not all in this virtual reality there's other virtual realities like

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i say and there's some that are not in any virtual reality at all but well i shouldn't say that they

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don't go into this kind of a virtual reality well it's really interesting we were talking about this with

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iya whiteley yesterday and she explained how um when one of the astronauts went up into

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on one of the apollo missions he was looking at the earth as they were flying away from it

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and he had there was a psychological effect that overtook him and they called it the observer effect

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where he had this overwhelming feeling of being connected and being one with with the entire planet

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and uh he said that like the feeling sort of like lingered for a while when he got back and it like

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made him depressed when he saw like how no one else felt that way on earth and he only had that unique

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experience when he could just be so far away from earth and just seeing that little sphere in the sky

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yeah that's that's one way to get there there's another there's another route you can get to

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something very similar and many of the nde near-death experience people get that yeah and you can if

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you are if you are kind of in charge of your own mind you can experience it whenever you want you don't

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have to almost die to experience it and that is you can you can become one with that larger conscious

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system basically you get to see reality you get to see everything through the eyes of the larger

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consciousness system and put it that way and when you do that you lose your personal identity you're

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you're no longer danny or tom you just exist and you feel like you're a part of everything you're

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you're every blade of grass you're every leaf on a tree you're every person and you're one with all

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that is and you feel the love you feel connected and it's usually very very beautiful and a very profound

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experience and that's attainable that's what the the hindus called samadhi you can go to that uh

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you know to that space that understanding is a is available but if it's some place that you've

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that you like are familiar with and you know how to get there is a lot different than if you get blasted

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up you know on a drug see it for a little bit and then crash and your interpretation of it will be a lot

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better if you go up under your own steam and not go up with a lot of other stuff going on in your head

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that is not you know that makes your interpretation wrong so to get back to where we were i guess i kind

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of got off on this is that one of the ways the system works is that there is this this this big

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computer subset of the larger conscious system and it is computing this virtual reality in order to do

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that it computes it in terms of probability that's why this this reality is based on probability it's

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a probabilistic simulation so it needs a database in order the rendering engine needs a database and

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that database is everything that is that could possibly happen and the probability that it will

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that's what it needs and the way it decides what happens next is it takes a random draw from the

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probability distribution of the possibilities so that's the mechanism that creates this you go dig

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a hole in your backyard and what are you going to find well the highest probability is going to be dirt

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and rocks and roots and things like that but if you're down here on the gulf coast you might find a

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gold coin or something that was left over from four or five centuries ago so they're all possible but

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they all have different probabilities probability for that gold coin is much smaller than it is for a rock

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so a random draw is taken out of that probability distribution okay and when it does the things that

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are more probable are more likely to come out of that that random draw that's what that's what it means

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to take the draw from a probability distribution of the possibilities right so that's how those things

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are defined so it needs this database to uh to render and this database as time goes on what was in the

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future becomes present then past so you end up with a database i call the probable future database

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everything that could happen the probability it will and you end up with a past database is everything

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that could have happened than the probability that it would and then one little thread that runs through

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that past database is what actually did happen all of that data is there and collected and that's what

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the hindus called the akashic records that's i don't know maybe you're not familiar with that term but

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that's where information comes from in your intuitive side when you get information intuitively

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then you're getting information out of this database right now because it does a random draw from a

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probability distribution of the possibilities that probable future is there and what happens depends on those

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probabilities we can we have this is our feedback mechanism we can modify those probabilities with our

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intent so if you have an intention let's say your family's going to have a picnic next saturday and

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you don't want it to be rainy you want it to be sunny you can put an intention out for it be sunny that

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intention will actually change the probabilities of that being sunny or rainy the sunny will go up a

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little or rainy it'll go down a little bit if you're good at it if you're not good at it it doesn't do a

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whole lot doesn't change much but you can change things and that's how the placebo effect works you

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know the placebo effect says here give these guys pills tell them it's the greatest pill in the world

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and it's going to heal them and it'll actually have physical effects it has physical effects that's why

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because those people now have more positive thinking about the outcome oh this is the magic

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pill that's going to help me great and because they have this positive outcome it actually modifies the

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probabilities to a more likely positive outcome it's funny because chemists have actually a

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psychedelic chemists have explained how psychedelic drugs are largely placebo which is very interesting

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yeah well a lot of things are placebo yeah you know what how we think does actually affect what happens

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so that's how the healing takes place you use your mind to modify the probabilities of them getting

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better and then that means when that random draw is taken or whether they're better today or not

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the higher probability that they're better and a lower probability that they're worse so that's

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that's the the mechanism and that mechanism uh and that's learned that's something that you that

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this not just it doesn't just come to you that's something you have to practice and learn it's

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something you practice and learn what do you make of chris bledsoe's ability to heal people that he

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talks about in his book well chris bledsoe was healed a couple of times himself rather dramatically

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i think the first time it was crohn's disease right and uh that was in the process of killing them and

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that got healed and then i can't remember what the second one is but he had some other kind of hit a

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shotgun wound you got shot yeah he got shot the shotgun wound and uh that got healed now once you

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you know i can we could talk a little about chris chris is a wonderful guy i met him at the psy games

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we talked for a while and we set up a play a time for us to have a more extended conversation because he

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had a lot of very uh dramatic experiences and he doesn't really understand exactly he's been through

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a lot of trauma he's been through a lot of trauma and he'd like to understand it better and i can

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explain it to him better so we're going to talk in the near future but he was just a wonderful guy i had

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a yeah i interacted with him and and his sons and and uh i listened to his daughter sing a song

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beautifully she's super talented yeah she's very talented so anyway when you but he so he so he was

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explaining being able to just touch and heal like there was in his book there was a moment where his dog

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um i forget what happened to his dog he's always bit by something and it was bleeding profusely or was

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stuck by something and uh he explained putting his hand on the dog and then this fresh wound just

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disappeared vanished and there was another story where he was at some dinner and a guy was having

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a heart attack or something like this and chris like went over to him and like put his hands on

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him and the guy was like perfectly fine right afterwards yeah those kinds of things can happen and he

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thinks it's he thinks it's um he thinks there's this lady this divine woman who is uh i forget what

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he calls her but he thinks this is all biblical like this is uh this is a divine gift that he's been given

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and uh this woman that is communicating with him uh is is trying to tell him about some date when jesus is

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going to come back or something like this yeah all of that is his own tools his own tool set it's

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metaphorical right things happen to people and when things happen to people people try their best to

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explain it in some way that seems rational to them and the explanations they come up with are based on

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what seems rational to them they make the best shot they can at explaining what's going on but that

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doesn't mean that that's what's going on it means that that's just their best explanation of it hathor

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that's what he calls the lady hathor i think yeah yeah so he's you know a lot of people do that you

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know they talk to angels they did you know you got all kinds of things like that and basically that's

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people creating their own tools to explain things that they can't explain yeah they're putting a story

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to it they're putting a story to it yeah now it's not that the story is wrong it's just that that's

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their story that's their metaphor sure for explaining what happens because you can't really explain it

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because there aren't any words in our language that allows you to talk about things that are non-physical

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our language grew up here describing physical things right physical happenings and it's not a good

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language for describing other things so you're stuck and you can't even think about it without

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language you can't put the experience into a form that you could even tell somebody else so we're

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forced if we're going to explain what happened to us to somebody else we're forced to make up a story

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that is as close as we can get to what we've experienced but i think any of those will really

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tell you it's the story they put in the experience are two different you know the story they make up and

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the experience are really two different things they're just trying to do their best to do it

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so it's not as wrong it's just their metaphor for what happened to them have you seen the orbs that

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he can summon no i didn't get to uh i didn't get to see the videos of them they're all over his instagram

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he goes out to the he goes out into the middle of the woods or in his backyard even and he came here and

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did it on the beach for me and steve and he basically he like prays and for these angels to

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show up and these orbs sure as sure as they show up and they they move around in different directions

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um i haven't been able to come up with any conventional explanation for what they are i

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mean they're real i saw them we filmed them and um he apparently he can do this everywhere he goes

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um and he's done it on camera many places many times they're all over his instagram yeah i have

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heard about that and i don't doubt it what do you think what do you make of that what do you uh think

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that could be these are some of the things i'm going to talk to him about and maybe i should wait for

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that but i can tell you that he has been picked out by the larger consciousness system to help wake other

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people up and see bigger pictures the system does that it does that in many ways um a lot of it is

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person through personal experience like he had and remember we are to grow up become lower entropy

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consciousness by making better choices okay that's that's what we do and our growth is the system's

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growth because we're just a part of the system we're a piece of it so the system wants us to succeed

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wants us to evolve wants us to move toward love and it will do things that help not only open an

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individual's mind but help open lots of minds so it'll do things that are just not understandable

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it'll do things that are just off the wall and have no explanation because that opens people's minds

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to realizing that it's not just this physical world that the physicists tell us about there's something

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us going on there's other things happening that cracks open the mind and we're getting to a point

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humanity's getting to a point where we need to make take bigger steps more quickly about growing up

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that's a that's a quickening that's coming over the next several decades so the system is particularly

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trying to help us grow up and it picked a person like chris partly because chris asked for the help

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and partly because he was a real decent real straightforward honest human being that they thought would make

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a good person to help share that also the people have ndes and they have these experiences same thing

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they're given the experience they can come back tell their friends write a book and now hundreds of

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thousands of people get the benefit and get to grow from that experience it opens their minds

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you know the crop circles you know i've been over to the uk walked around in those fields and you know

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looked at the plants bent over and read the research and so on and you know overnight when there's no light

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usually no moon and in one night you get 20 acres covered with some kind of fantastic

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often mathematical and these aren't straight lines straight lines if it was straight lines probably a

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surveying team could do it in in three weeks if there was 10 of them but these nice curved lines and so on that are

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that are perfectly in you know symmetry well

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we look at that and we say that's impossible it can't happen nobody could do that in the dark

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in one night covering you know tens of acres often and you can't see them unless you're in an airplane right

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well no you can't appreciate them unless you're in an airplane because then you get that view so it takes a few now

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you know surveyors could maybe do that but probably not because they trample all over everything and

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the way getting there just trying to make all their angles and stuff and they can't do curves worth a damn

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they can just do straight lines so it's pretty much impossible so what do the people think they think well

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it's impossible we can't do it so therefore that must be aliens doing it but that's just a it's just another

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mind opener with the the aliens it's just another mind over the larger consciousness system is doing

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it and it's doing to help crack our minds open because we're going to have to do some serious

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growing in the next couple of decades so it's kind of speeding that process up and it it picked um

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it picks people for the ndes if they're not going to die and it knows that by the probabilities you can

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say well the probability that this person is going to come back is high all right so let's give them this

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experience and they'll bring it back and they'll write a book and they'll you know hundreds of

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thousands millions of people will have their mind cracked open a little bit to reality being more

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more interesting and more complex than just this physical this physical world so that's kind of where

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chris came in he was picked to have these experiences and that's why he was given the gift of

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healing he was given the orbs because he's demonstrating to people that these strange unexplainable things are

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real it's part of our reality opens minds to a bigger picture and that will help us make this

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transition that we're going to all go through in the next couple of decades

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do you think there is a characteristic a common characteristic that can be found in people

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that gives them a stronger connection to this monolithic consciousness that chris bledsoe seems

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to be tapped into like are there certain people who have a stronger connection than others and is there

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a way to strengthen your connection sure everybody has the potential to do all of these things it's not

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that you have to be special to do them some well the way the way it works is that you come here

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you make choices by those choices you evolve or you devolve okay we've already talked about that

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next time you come around your next lifetime and i have multiple lifetimes in my model because it was a

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logical necessity not because i think you know that uh you know having multiple lifetimes reincarnation

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was a cool idea but it was logically necessary for the model so anyway you come back but you start

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with the quality of consciousness that you earned up to that point so you make good choices you are

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helpful to people you know you care about people and that means you level up a little bit in your quality of

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consciousness next time you'll start at that quality but not with any of the knowledge not with any of the

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intellectual knowledge of it because you have to just apply who you are to new situations make good choices

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so in a way you have to re-earn it but it's it's it's who you are it's easier for you to make good choices

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because you've learned to get rid of a lot of your fear so yes those people who come in who are more

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have a higher quality of consciousness just they've been around made good choices they then have an

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easier time of doing these things because they're more connected to consciousness to the larger conscious

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system they're more aware they're more caring that kind of person then has an easier time doing it yes

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but everybody can it's something you can learn it's something you can practice you get good at it

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with practice it's not quick you're not going to go take a crash course and you know in two weeks

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become a wizard doesn't work like that you have to grow you have to change who you are you have to let

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go of fear fear will create noise in your mind you have to be able to clear your mind so that it doesn't

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have any noise in it it doesn't have stray thoughts running around you're focused and you have to be able to put

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power in it you have to be able to really be able to affect things and you do that because of the

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quality of the consciousness that you have so people who you know like yogis you know yeah they

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they spend a life meditating and doing these things and many of them can heal they can do lots of that

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stuff and it's not because they train to do it it just becomes available to them they're just able to do

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that because of the quality that their that their mind has has reached but you can learn it you can

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you know i never tried to heal anybody in my life till i got out to bob and rose and wanted to just

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experiment with everything everything paranormal we experimented with it and i will tell you that being

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able to heal with your intent is probably the easiest paranormal thing that anybody can do really

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it's not a hard one yeah everybody thinks oh that would be hard it's one of the easiest things the

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way it's much easier to be effective if the result has uncertainty around it the more uncertainty the

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easier it is for you to change it so somebody's health is very uncertain because we don't know enough

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about biology and physiology to really know what's going to happen next you know some people have stage

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four cancer and given you know a month to live and two weeks later they don't have any cancer at all

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so there's lots of uncertainty as to what the outcome might be if you have you know a real bad

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illness of some sort you know people get over it some people die from it but there's lots of

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uncertainty where there's uncertainty then you can modify the probabilities and when you modify those

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probabilities then you'll raise the probability of that person getting better doesn't mean they have to

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get better you've just raised the probability right so it depends where the probability was to start

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with if it was a million to one that this person would get better right because they had 10 biopsies

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from 10 different doctors and they all said you know it's going to kill you in a week then the

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probability is very small that you're versus somebody that gets like hit by a freight train you

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know and their body is completely destroyed and they're on life support or something like that like

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it's going to be very low probability yeah very low probability you're going to do anything about it

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so if the probability is a million to one you may make it with your intent go all the way to

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a thousand to one well that's a lot of power to change it that much but you're still not likely to

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get it because it's you know so you can change probabilities it doesn't mean you can manipulate

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them to be whatever you want depends on the uncertainty that's involved in what it is that you're trying to

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do that's a key that's a key part of it but but yes healing is a simple thing because there's lots of uncertainty

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and it's a thing that's easy to get to get focused on it's not abstract it's a you know it's a more solid

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thing so you can i would say that if you you know if you start working on healing in a month you'd see enough

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you'd see enough progress that you'd be you would convince yourself that you're being effective

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with it it's just not hard to do there's just some techniques some tools that you can use and

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and you just kind of practice at it and you'd be surprised at how effective you can be in a short

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period of time it's one of the easiest paranormal things to be able to learn to do now you may not be

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great at it you may not be able to change everything you want but you will have periods when your mind is

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more in the right spot low noise you know you know high power low noise and good focus

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and then you'll be more effective you get to practice this but you have to practice you have to practice

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in order to do that but that's just natural to anybody because we're consciousness we get to affect those

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probabilities and those probabilities is what determines what happens here so you you mentioned

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you were just at this psychic games thing and uh there's a woman i saw a video of that um i don't

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know if we watched it yesterday on here or not but i saw the videos like a youtube short youtube video

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of this girl who puts on like 10 masks over her eyes and it completely block like blocks her vision

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mm-hmm and is able to read a piece of paper that they brand a piece of paper they put in front of

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her how how is that happening it's done it's it's just real-time remote viewing you can remote view

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something that's not in front of you you can remote view the eiffel tower while you're sitting here in

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florida you know if that's the coordinates you're giving you can see things you're getting that data out

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of this database that i talked about so that data is in the database and you can see what's there so

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you can go to the database and see what's here what's just right in front of you and you can do

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that in real time and that's called seen without eyes or they have a lot of other names with it but

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it works fine can you do it i i actually uh spent about two weeks working on it and i was getting close

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to it but i wasn't really interested in doing as much as i was interested in finding out how they

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taught people to do it but yes if i've worked at it if i if i spent two weeks three weeks at it then

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i'd be able to do it but you have to practice these things you know it's like anything else if

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you don't practice them a lot then you get rustier sure yeah you won't lose it all together but you

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know like build the muscle yeah you have to keep the muscle you know tuned up steve can you find the

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video of her doing that yeah the internet's slow it's like taking forever to load oh wow but the scene

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without eyes you know you talk about 10 masks you can take somebody put them in another room right

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you can put them in another room and turn all the lights off and seal all the the windows with black

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paper so that there's no light in that room put them in a basement with no windows turn off all the

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lights and put a mask on them if you like and then you can go to some other part of the house and you

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can read the book that they have or you can see what they're doing it's just getting data from the

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database it's real-time remote viewing rather than remote viewers think they have to go out and see

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a thing something at a particular place that's remote viewing they don't realize they're just

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getting data out of a database has this ever been like has this ever been scientifically proven to work

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yeah scientifically not the problem with this stuff is it's like it's not hard science it's

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squishy science well which is like uh you know and it kind of like exposes how the scientific method

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may not be like the holy grail of figuring stuff out in this world but like you can't put this you

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can't measure this you can't put it on a scale you can't put it in a beaker and weigh it and quantify it

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it's no it's so much different no what you said is exactly right the scientific method is a really

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great method for doing the science of the objective world it isn't worth a damn in the subjective world

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the objective world every scientist wherever they are doing the same experiment will have to get the

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same answer it's not dependent on the scientist or the location or anything else right the experiment

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will work the same way everywhere well the objective world is like that the subjective world

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isn't like that at all in the subjective world everybody's mind is different everybody's reality is

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different everybody's attitudes and feelings and beliefs and fears all of that are different so in the

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subjective world nothing is always going to be the same for all the people everywhere it's all has to do with an individual and their consciousness so the

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that scientific method is only good for the objective world it means nothing in the subjective world but is it real

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sure i when i was taking this course of the scene without eyes trying to understand how it worked there was a man

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came in who was blind and totally blind and he came in and and walked across the room took off his jacket and hanging on a hook

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and we're thinking is he really blind he didn't feel that hook or anything he just knew where it was

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and he had taken this course he had learned to see without his eyes so somebody went to the back of the

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room and they got a book it was a bookshelf back there with about 20 30 books on it and they picked up a book

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and this was children's book and they handed the book and he opened it up and he started to describe

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he's rubbing his fingers on over the pages and he was describing this is a picture of a giraffe and

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there's a little child over here and there's a red balloon up in the corner and so he described all the

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picture and then he turns the book around and we can see he's described it accurately so then he turns

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three or four pages and does another one so somebody asked him says well how do you do that and he said well

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i do it with my fingers i can see through my fingers well that was just remember we talked about

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tools people have tools they make up metaphors to explain what they're doing that was his metaphor

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because he was blind he did he saw through his fingers with braille so he had that same metaphor

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he'd see with his fingers he wasn't seeing with his fingers he's getting data out of the database

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and that's where he was getting the pictures from but in his mind he was seen with his fingers so if

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you put the book out where he couldn't touch it he wouldn't be able to do it because he believes that

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he's using his fingers so these are tools that we make up but this blind guy was able to see the

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book perfectly he described the colors you know and these these weren't pictures that were raised these

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are just printed there's this ink on a piece of paper mass produced and there was no feel different to

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any of it it all just felt like paper so yes now you you see that happening so somebody asked me is

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it real of course it's real and then one of the students there was a lady um from scandinavia this is

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in the video was a uh it was a lady in scandinavia and she was one of the people that very quickly

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did learn to see without her eyes in this course and i took her outside uh and walked her around

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outside and i held on to her so she wouldn't fall off a curb or something and i asked her questions

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like what color is the house that's in front of you and she told me you know it's blue how many garbage

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cans are outside five what color are they three are green you know two are blue and a car pulled up

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parked so i walked her over to the car and i said what's the license plate that car just came from

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anywhere you know so it's not like this could be programmed or whatever we're just outside looking

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at things and this was someplace in germany she didn't live here this wasn't her this wasn't her

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territory so she read the license plate and i walked up to a door that had some kind of

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sign some kind of it was like this some text she could read it and i checked her blindfold

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and that she was obviously seen without her eyes so i experienced a blind man and there was probably

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five or six seven of the 20 people there probably eight of them were able to see without their eyes in

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two weeks these are adults that's awfully quick usually adults take longer now the lady who teaches

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that says give her a five-year-old and she'll teach them in an hour right because they don't have the

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beliefs that we have and it turned out the thing i learned at that course was really significant was that

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it's all about the belief was the main thing i asked the lady that i took outside and turned around i said

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well how are you able to do this and she said i cheat and i said well how are you cheating she says

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i get a little light in from my mask and that's how i can see so i checked her mask and cheating was

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impossible but she had to convince herself that she was cheating in order to be able to do it so the

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people who were there who were more right-brained could more easily convince themselves that they were

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doing it some way that was okay with them the left-brained people the techies the engineers

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and children were there they needed more facts they couldn't you see i'm a physicist so i know that

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light comes in around the edge of a mask that light has to bounce three or four times before it gets to

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the eyeball and after light bounces it doesn't have any information at all but this lady didn't know

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that because she wasn't a physicist so she saw a little bit of straight light coming in there and

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that then justified in her mind how she could see without eyes wow so once she got past the belief problem

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and i realized that that was the that was the key thing was getting people past their belief that it

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was impossible and as soon as they got past that it was easy and that's why five-year-olds are easy

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because they don't have that ingrained belief that this is impossible to a five-year-old life is

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magical you know all kinds of things happen and they have no idea why they just do so if they're

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curious they're curious so if the adult says here you can see without your eyes you read this book and

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oh i can okay and they can with just a little with just a little coaching so it's the belief thing that we

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we turn off those things because we're told that they're impossible so then i went around to everybody

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in there who was successful who could read without without their eyes through the mask these are big

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masks you know the masks go way out here and way up here they're not little tiny masks they're really big

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masks that cover you and every one of them that was the adults that were successful said that they they

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cheated but i was also wearing a mask i know what that mask was like because i had one on too

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and i could make it such that you could see a little little glow someplace but i knew that glow had no

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information in it whatsoever and you know also children i mean children just on a different

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person from a different perspective children it seems like they have a deeper connection to something

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that we as we get older and we get adapted to the rigid frameworks of our society and the more we start

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relying on technology and using technology to compensate for other things it seems like these abilities that may be

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ancient inside of us have atrophied and they atrophy more from birth to the time we get older and we start

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getting used to technology and and being um uh brought up in this technological world we live in

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and like newborn children they seem to have like with those telepathy tapes they seem to have more of a

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um tuned extra sensory thing that's inside of them that that we don't have and um it makes me wonder

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how many more how many more things are out there that we can't detect you know like a like a smell like

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if we didn't have a nose we wouldn't know we wouldn't have any idea of these smells or aromas that are

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all around us right so like what how many things are out there that exist that we just don't have

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the sensory organs to perceive well there's a lot of things that exist outside of our sensory organs our

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sensory organs just follow the rules and the rule set you know this physical world so we're trapped inside

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the physical world with our physical senses but we have we can see hear taste smell and touch things

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that are non-physical but again it's us taking information and turn it into physical metaphors

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okay so you get information and it just comes to your mind and you eventually you just learn to accept

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that but initially you tend to hear things i heard a voice and it said so you're taking the information

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and you're turning it into language because that's easier for you to to deal with that than it is that

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oh i just know so people tend to hear things more initially eventually you don't question the just knowing

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and you don't have to hear it to make it real you just get the information so all of that information

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that's in that database is is available to any consciousness it's you know not only are children

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more adept at that than adults now you're your children are more intuitive at two and three years old

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you know than you are now by a long shot your dog and your cat are more intuitive than you are the

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the the the uh the kids who had autism their normal processing wasn't available that was

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not working for them you know the hearing the speaking the whatever wasn't working very well for

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them it was kind of chaotic so what did they do they developed their intuitive processes you have two

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different pathways that you process information one is that logical intellectual path okay that's what

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that's what most of us adults use all the time the other is an intuitive path the logical path is

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logical the intuitive path is not logical you just get information there's no reason or whatever the

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information is just there and you download it you query that database with your intent you have an intent to

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now and there it is that's the query and you get it most people get information like that all the time but

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they they refuse it because they believe that there's nothing there so it's like the scene without

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eyes people couldn't see without eyes as right as long as they uh you know but once they re once they could

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somehow account for it then they could do it so yes children are much more connected to us children you

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know we think that young children two-year-olds who don't speak very much just a few words and three-year-olds

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whose vocabulary is very very small we think they don't understand they understand a whole lot more

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they're not getting it through language they're getting it intuitively right they understand a whole

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lot more your your dog understands you more through the intuitive sense not through language dogs don't

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do language but they they know you're thinking about oh i think i'll get up and take the dog for a walk

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and you think about that and 30 seconds later your dog's running around in little circles in front of the

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door you know he's anticipating the walk that you were thinking about they pick up those feelings

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all consciousness are netted so you can have communication with your dog that's not that hard

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all you have to do is make a mind-to-mind connection with your dog and realize you're not going to get

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language you're going to get feeling that's their their world is in terms of of feeling what they what they

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feel like and you can find they feel sometimes upset and sometimes annoyed and sometimes like having fun

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and but you can make that communication and you can can communicate your feelings to the dog and they

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will get that so all consciousnesses is they're all on the net and you can just like on the internet

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to look at somebody's website you got to go up and put in their url and then if you don't want to look

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at it you you click on the little x in the upper right hand corner you can do the same thing you

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can open up a portal so that you connect with this consciousness and you can close it off and you do

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that all with your intent now the people you're close to like your kids and your family and so on

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your best friends you know well you're more open you get their ideas you get their thoughts you can kind

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of feel their feelings you know where they are if you pay attention you can people who you don't know

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you generally don't connect with them until you want to oh i just met george or george telling me

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about his sick mother you know i go in and see how she's doing then you can open up that connect you can

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find the data in the database it'll tell you exactly what she's doing and you can look at the database and

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say what's the probability she's going to get better on her own over the next month and you can

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say here's i want health here i want time here and you can see a curve right and if you want to say well

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how good is that probability i want to see error bars of two two standard deviations and you'll get

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curves along your curve that'll give you two standard deviations in probable error the information's

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there right and you can determine the output format you can you can request any output format it'll come

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it'll come in graphs it'll come in colors it'll come in images of whatever you relate to the system will

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give you the output that you that you want so these are you know these are tools uh everybody has these

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abilities mind-to-mind communication is a great way for parents to communicate with their teenagers

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that's a really good example because teenagers want to make their own choices that's what they're

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doing they're becoming adults and they need to start making their own choices and they don't like it

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when mom or dad tell them what they should be doing or what they should be feeling or how they should be

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acting so they push that away so sometimes it's really hard to communicate with your teenagers

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because if you say yeah you really ought to go right instead of left here they'll tend to go left

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because they need to do it on their own in their own way yeah so you can talk to them mind to mind and

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give them some guidance as long as you don't try to give them direction if you say do this do that

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that will backfire they don't want that but if you go in and say you know there's other possibilities

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here that you haven't thought of you should consider this and consider that now you're being helpful

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you're not trying to over run their free will you're trying to give them information that they can use

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they'll accept that and that can be a very helpful tool for helping give your kids guidance that they can

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accept so you know a lot of us do this anyway right brain people are very good at it

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you know right brainers people who are intuitive they're very good at it and some just pick it up

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very naturally often the people who are good at it are people who had very troubled childhoods

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and had to escape the pain in this reality by spending time in another reality you know by escaping this

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reality into a an imaginary world so they train themselves to be open to outside information

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outside of this reality and that's when they were four and five and six and eight and ten and now

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they're 30 or 40 and they're naturals you know they're mediums they're this they're that because

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they train themselves by escaping a dysfunctional childhood so you often will find the connection

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between people who seem to be gifted and people who had to escape that's why they learned these skills

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so they could escape to an imaginary place that was better well in their mind it was an imaginary

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place there are some people who think that uh that trauma is one of the common things that help people

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become more open to this and more intuitive and have this sort of sense um when you're talking about

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things like chris bledsoe has whatever i mean obviously he's been through a lot of trauma but

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i think he's uh there's people like um jeffrey kripal who have studied this extensively that you know

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people who have undergone lots of trauma throughout their lives and especially during their childhood

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um have more of this a stronger connection to this this monolithic consciousness or whatever it is yeah

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yeah i think that makes sense people who have very serious trauma are you know are people have kind of

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reached a dead end reached the the end of the rope so to speak they're put in a situation where

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all the normal moves and ideas and whatever's aren't available to them anymore and when you're in that

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you tend to start searching for another way you start opening up to other things so you know a lot of

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the people that are that are uh also into you know spiritual things you know teachers and people

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you'll find that they first went through what's called the dark night of the soul they were miserable

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people they were self-centered they were this and they're that and the life got tougher and tougher and

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they went down this spiral until they got to this bottom part where it just couldn't get any worse

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and they throw up their hands and give up and you know they either want to die or

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they need something but they they kind of quit and in that moment of desperation they actually open

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up to something outside of them they stop the the interacting with the physical world and they start

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opening up inside yeah and that then becomes the beginning of a whole new you know they climb back

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up out of that hole and keep on going and then they become spiritual teachers later right yeah a lot of that

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that's where that's where it starts and so that's trauma that's just another kind of that's like a

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self-induced trauma rather than something coming out and you know hitting you it's something you do to

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yourself but that trauma puts people into a place of you know having to open up to other things because just the

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normal pathways aren't working they're not available for some reason so they open up you know like

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uh chris blood so said he was desperate he had this crones that was killing them and he yeah he basically

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said i need help you know he was at the bottom he couldn't he couldn't function he couldn't do the

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things he needed to do he couldn't earn a living he couldn't you know he couldn't do the things he had

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to do for his family and so on so he got desperate and when you're desperate instead of chugging along

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in the physical doing this physical thing and that physical thing you like say you know yeah i give up

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i need help right i need to change something has to change and you open yourself up to something and

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something happens particularly if the system says oh here's a good person we could use we can give them

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some some some insight and some some abilities and they will spread the word that life is not just

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all tied up in this nifty physical box there's other things going on besides right so you think that this

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information system that we are a part of is slowly over time becoming lower entropy meaning that we're

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becoming more open we're becoming more loving um more one um do you think this evolution has been on a

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non-stop linear path since since the first um the first consciousness first conscious being came into

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existence yes but it's not linear so in the beginning uh you know when we were uh cave people

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traveling in small tribes kind of things uh the world was a very tough and harsh place and there

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was a lot of violence if you saw somebody else had something you needed it was you or them so you made

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that wrong you made that wrong decision to take their stuff for yourself but so we start there you know

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with control power force is a it's kind of the ethic and humans have been walking around on the planet for

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roughly 200 000 years depending on who you read that can be a much different number but

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around 200 000 years is where homo sapiens been here and you can think of that that change was very

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slow in the beginning very very slow so i'm i'm looking here at a graph i'll do it backwards so that people

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who are viewing it can see it forwards but let's say this is a time on the horizontal axis and this is

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quality of consciousness here so it just doesn't go up much it stays just maybe a little tiny bits and

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then we got to civilization where people started interacting more and being more interdependent it

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goes up a little bit then it starts to go faster and it shoots up so that's because it's an

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accelerating function the more you learn the easier it is to learn more you know learning is that way

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yeah when you first start learning you know you it's typical you need to learn numbers you need to

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learn the alphabet and everything is just really hard but eventually you can learn a lot faster so right now

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as this curve goes like this and then at knee of the curve that's where we are right now if you go back

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500 years and look at what was what was uh humanity like 500 years ago and you will realize it was very

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rough it was a lot of violence a lot of uh dysfunction going on there were the people in charge could

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pretty much do whatever they damn well pleased and everybody else had to suck it up it was a hard place

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so if you look at every year every century 500 years ago for the last five centuries you'll see

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that we've gotten better and better we're coming up and the last five centuries are just an eye blink

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in 200 000 years so not much not much just slowly and then again it goes it goes more quickly so we're

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right at the knee of that curve the last 500 years we've done more in the last 500 years and we did the

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what 195 000 years before that and that's quickening is coming that we're going to have in the next few

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decades choices of whether we go on up and start taking bigger steps instead of tiny little steps the

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steps have been getting better last 500 years each each century takes a little bigger step in that

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positive direction but now we're in line for some bigger steps and the first time ever humanity has

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an opportunity to take some big steps and that's mostly because of the internet it used to be that

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a big earthquake kills 100 000 people in some place and people someplace else really don't care because they

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don't even know where that is they may have never heard the name of that country or have no idea

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anything about it so not my problem yeah and now that's not the case now you get to see poor little

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starving children with pot bellies uh you know wherever they occur and destruction and death and bodies and

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people send money people care people see it so we've gone from being a

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uh people that we don't really care about it's making it less easy to get away with evil yeah so

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it's we're becoming more of a family rather than a bunch of relatives out there that we've never heard

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of so that's what the internet's done it's brought us together things happen and everybody gets to see

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about it there's also an argument we made that our internet has driven us apart and made us less healthy

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and and uh forced us into echo chambers and every technology has its its upside and its downside

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you don't get the upside unless the downside comes with it sure when you have an internet it can be

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used for good things and it can be used for bad things and it can help us in some ways and it can

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hurt us in other ways that's just true it's just like anything risk reward exactly and we have to deal

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with that that's our job we have to look at that new technology and find ways to mitigate the negative

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the downside and ways to embrace the upside that's our job that's what we're supposed to be doing

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here but anyway we have the opportunity to make choices now in the next i think like three decades

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that will will either make a lot of progress or we'll fail and we'll go backwards a bit but if we go

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backwards a bit it's only temporary you know evolution is slow but it's relentless so evolution may chug along

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but it may be going to go back but it just keeps on chugging along and you know you may have a big

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meteor strike and all kinds of dust everywhere and a lot of everything dies off but it comes back

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because it's relentless so we will make it one day humanity will make it to that place where life will be

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kinder gentler and more supportive and everybody will have the maximum amount of personal freedom

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but we have to we have to make the choices that takes us there it's not going to be given to us

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but we have the opportunity to make a couple of really big steps in that direction now will mankind

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make those steps or well then will they drop that you know probability that's up to us so people who are

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who are who are your age and and your children's age they're going to live through all that all these

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times that are you know like we're getting to that knife edge where it's going to fall to this side or

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going to fall that side you know this side's positive and wonderful and this side sucks right so we're

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getting to those places and the people that are alive and young now will live through all of that

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that decision making probably do you think it's possible that far in the past um we evolved to be

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super low entropy and achieve this pinnacle of uh consciousness and then uh maybe we were wiped out or

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reset by some sort of a cosmic cataclysm or something like this no i don't think so i think that uh we were

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you know once or maybe even escaped earth yeah no i don't think that's the case i think that um

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when the larger conscious system uh made this this uh this virtual reality for us to play in

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we got here and it was it was tough but people were far spread you know we spread a lot we didn't

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really have civilization then we just had a bunch of tribes making their own way then we ended up with

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civilization where we were stuck in cities where we were next to each other and we had to cooperate

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more and share and you had the people that made the shoes and the people that made the weapons and

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the people that built houses and the thatcher and so on we got interactive and interdependent that helped

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us grow then faster than when we didn't when we were all just kind of nomads wandering around in space that

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was mostly empty so yes it's been a long gradual process of us growing now to grow up you have to

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change who you are it's it's not a matter of intellectual growth it's not a matter of understanding

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intellectually it's a matter of being it's not it's not like acting kind is going to help you

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being kind is what makes you grow up right not acting so you have to change who you are you have

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to be different that's why it's so slow it was just that we all could act all we needed would be a script

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and you know we could all do really well but it's not about acting it's about being and no i don't think

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that happened although i do have one historical fact that kind of puts a timeline on it and that is that

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this larger consciousness system when it went from a monolithic thing to a thing with lots of

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individuated piece parts that we talked about it had to learn just like we have to learn it had to

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learn to cooperate it was just consciousness and it had always been just one monolithic thing so now it

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had all these piece parts it made those to give it a richer set of possibilities and

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i think it started out by saying all right all you piece parts here's what we're going to do today

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we're all going to practice being kind we're all going to do this and do that and all the piece

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parts that had free will went not today i'm going fishing because they were independent so the system then

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got a little forceful tried to push them tried to bully them tried to threaten them into doing what it

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wanted its idea of and it discovered that that didn't work whenever you tried to bully or force

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or regiment it always turned out to make things worse not better so the system itself had to learn to

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become love and we were the the foil by which it had to learn that it had to learn to treat us with respect

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in with caring and let us grow up because you can't force anybody else to grow up you have to let them

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grow up from the inside out right so that's how the larger conscious system grew up now we're doing that

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with each other and the historical point here is that if you go to the old testament you'll find

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this is the christian old testament you know it goes back what 5000 years bc or further back in its

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uh history of the israelites and so on and you will find that there was a angry and jealous god

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and if you don't do what i tell you to do i'll turn you into a pillar of salt you know you had this kind

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of attitude going on and then you get to the new testament and god is love it's all about love and

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turning the other cheek and doing under others as you have them doing to you well what changed that

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angry and jealous god into the god of love that was the larger consciousness system trying to bully

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the individuated units of consciousness into doing what it wanted and realizing that didn't work

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and then it grew up it had to change what it was at its being level it's a conscious system it's aware

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it didn't just happen to be full of love and perfect it had to learn that just like we have to learn that

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so you have that history that dates back into you know 5000 bc or maybe before that maybe even 10 000 bc

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i'm not quite sure how back how far back that goes but in any case that kind of puts a timeline to it

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if that indeed is is a case if that difference between old testament and new testament was the

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fact the larger conscious system had to learn to grow up itself and now it's helping us learn to grow up

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by getting people like like chris blood so and and like uh you know crop circles and lots of people

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who get this message and many of them get it just do something personal some personal thing happens to

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them and they experience the paranormal in a in a very dramatic way yeah and then they become searchers

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seekers and they go out on the internet and see did this happen to anybody else and that's you know

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if you go to a place like um like the side games you'll find that you know if you if you ask the

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people how'd you get involved in this most of them will say well when i was such and such this happened

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to me and ever since then you know you get that so it yeah that's that's kind of the movement and the

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system is helping us grow up by creating those kinds of experience i talked to a woman once who

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said that her mother died and about 10 days after her mother's death she had a phone call and she

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picked it up and it was her mother it was her mother's voice and the mother said something like

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you know hi and called her some baby name that nobody else would have known called her that and said i

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just wanted to let you know that i'm fine and you don't have to worry about me and the lady was so freaked

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out that she immediately thought that somebody was playing with her and she slammed the phone down

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right and then a few minutes after that she wished she hadn't because she realized that was her mother

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because of the baby name nobody else knew it couldn't have been anybody else falling around

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so now that lady becomes a seeker right she she starts searching the internet for other people who have

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talked to their dead parents and she finds that thousands of people have talked to their dead parents

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so that's the system sometimes one at a time but then these people collect and they talk to each

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other and somebody writes a book it's kind of the waking up period is what we're going through now

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that's what you're doing you're here you know running this podcast and you're talking about things that are

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off the map for most people right these are things that are unusual and most a lot of these unusual

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things are there to help people wake up this reality is not as buttoned down as you thought it's not

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just this simple physical thing that's what most of the ufo things are about it's just another way

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like crop circles to get people to open their minds to something more than what they've been fed all their

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lives to have a sense that greater process possibilities exist yeah so that is a lot of that now it's a

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virtual reality so if the system wants to have a little flying saucer land in your backyard

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it's a virtual reality you know it can do that it's just a data stream so it puts that little flying

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saucer in your backyard and it puts divots where all its little landing pads were and it puts a charred

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place in the middle and the little green guys with a point of years come and you feed them dinner and

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you all sit around and talk and you know they get back in their ship and they fly away and maybe they leave an

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fact or just they leave you know burnt spaces in your yard and and whatever so that's simple it's

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a virtual reality it's just data put in a data stream and if there's some people are getting even like

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uh radiation poisoning and radiation burns and stuff from these things too which is wild yeah well those

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kinds of things can happen you know people um you know they found out when they started to explore like

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hypnotism you know where you give people suggestions and you can do all kinds of things with that you

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can have people make a good big rash on their arm because you give them that suggestion right there's

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a big connection between mind and body yeah and a lot of things can happen that happen basically in

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consciousness that end up in physical manifestations and you don't think it goes the other way right no it's

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not the other way the way the only thing that goes the other way is that if you have something happen

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say to the avatar it doesn't change the consciousness it provides constraints for the conscious let's say

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yeah you get in an accident now you have brain damage and you can't remember your name you you can't

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remember where you live you you mumble that's like how i am now yeah you drag your left foot you know

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you have brain damage so you you don't physically operate the same anymore well your consciousness

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doesn't have brain damage there is no brain that brain is is never rendered unless somebody's head's

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cut open right like a video game yeah right like a video game yeah you're saving processing power yeah

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exactly so so now the consciousness has to play a character that can't remember its name and drags his left

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foot see so that it affects the consciousness in that way it doesn't actually affect the consciousness

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but it gives the consciousness so the constraints it has to work within but yes mind can create all

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kinds of physical things matter of fact there's several doctors that dr sarno is one of them who

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after s-a-r-n-o dr sarno um i don't remember his first name he's dead now but he has a lot of people

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who are some people who are still practicing his stuff he realized that an awful lot of ailments

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had a emotional and mental component to them and he would he said that once he explored this and found

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ways to work with this that about 80 percent of all the patients that walked in his door

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the physical problems they had could be resolved with working with them on an emotional level right well

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it's certainly true that when people are diagnosed with a cancer and told they have a month left to

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live that's going to really affect their state and make them depressed and make them lose all hope and

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that is going to have a snowball effect on their outcome and yeah absolutely and all their friends

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imagine if they had that same diagnosis that same tumor or whatever the cancer was and instead they said

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look this happened to you but most people survive everything's great you just need to do these

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things go outside blah blah encourage that person to encourage an elevated state you know what i mean

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instead of basically painting this dark portrait for them and what's worse than that that patient goes

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back and they tell their spouse they tell their kids they tell their brothers and sisters right and

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their neighbors oh i've got cancer and i'm going to die in a month so now you have another 20 people all

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with that image of this person dying in another month all of them sad all of them negative and that

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probability of dying just goes right up so that is a that's a problem wow you have now a bunch of people

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doing it and a lot of people are more powerful if you get a like they call these things healing circles

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they're not really circles they're just a bunch of people that get together to try to heal and if

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you had 10 people who are all of equal strength and ability they will be able to do 10 times as much as

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one of them it adds it's all additive they're all putting their effort to modifying the probabilities

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some will be better than others but if they're all equal then 10 of them will be 10 times more effective

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than one of them so yes you get all your neighbors and your friends and your family all miserable and

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upset because you're going to die then that probability that you're going to die just gets

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jacked right up now i'm not going to tell people that they should not go to doctors

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that's not a good idea but you should first work on something let's say you got a you feel a little

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lump here in your neck and that bothers you instead of running right to a doctor immediately

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these things generally they're time sensitive but not that time sensitive take two weeks to work on

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it take two weeks to use your mind to say that's benign it's just fatty tissue collected there's

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nothing you know too serious about that do that in a meditation state or do that just when you're quiet

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and by yourself do that for two weeks because anything you're going to do you'll be able to

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do it within two weeks if you take a month you're not going to be much better right at it so do that

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for two weeks and then go see the doc instead of running in to see the doc while you're scared oh that

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might be a cancer you've just jacked up the probability that it is a cancer so just relax let it go

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accept it it will be whatever it is and whatever it is you'll deal with it don't feed it negative

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energy and try to feed it positive energy it's just a fatty tissue or it's just benign in some way

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then you go into the dock don't not go to the dock you go to the dock but work on it first for a little

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bit of time that then would be a better way to to deal with those things because most medical things are

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not on that fast of a timetable i mean some things are obviously you're bleeding out you're not going

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to sit down and you know think about it you're going to try to go someplace where they can where they

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can fix it but if it's something like cancer or something else then you've got you've got two weeks

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that you can most people put it off that long anyway right before they decide that they need to go in well

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instead of using that two weeks to worry about it use that two weeks to fix it right and get your

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friends to fix it you know put positive energy in there if they're friends that are positive if

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you've got negative friends you'll say oh no i bet he's got cancer right don't tell them about it

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um going back to this ufo stuff do you think it's possible that there is a there could be another

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civilization living somewhere on the earth that is like far more advanced than us like for example

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right now if you compare uh us living in the western world people living in silicon valley driving

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these autonomous vehicles uh using phones to communicate um you know implanting brain chips

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in people to fix things like you know paralysis or whatever at the same exact time there's people

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running around naked in the amazon so do you think that you can extrapolate that and compare us say we're

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the naked people in the amazon are there people that are that much more advanced than us that we don't

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know about i suspect not physically advanced you're talking about physical advancements technological

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now if you're talking about advancements in quality of consciousness yes there are probably people

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there may be groups of people who are much more have a much higher quality of consciousness than we do

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in our world and these are probably going to be argarian people who spend their day sitting out in

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their field watching their sheep eat grass to make sure the the wolves don't get the sheep because they

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live a simple uncomplicated direct life connected with nature not a lot of stress you know they've they've

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learned to cooperate with the environment that they have they have their good days and bad days but

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basically they probably are people who are more you know adjusted to their life and to what's going on and

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they probably have a lot less stress than people running around you know trying to beat wall street

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but what do you make of these um corroborated experiences and sightings of these like flying

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saucers or if you want um the stuff that the harvard psychiatrist john mack talked about with these

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abduction experiences people being sucked up into spaceships and having their eggs and sperm extracted and

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talking about um they're from the future and they look like um they look like children with like

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little little bodies big heads and eyes and like it's obviously like something that he's interviewed

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hundreds of people and they all explain the same exact thing what are your thoughts on that well

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these this is these are things that happen within consciousness okay there is no physical reality we only have the

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information that we're fed in the data stream that is our reality well i shouldn't say that our

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interpretation of that is our reality now there are you know if you want to again put a spaceship someplace or

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but subduck into a into a spaceship and have somebody operating on you that's just data in a data stream

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now you feed that data stream yourself remember i said there's three ways you get data you get data from

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the large kind of systems you get data from other iuscs and you get data from yourself you create it and

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most of your experience is a hodgepodge of all three of those so you know that that experience of being

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beamed up and and then have something done to you yeah that's a standard fear test kind of experience

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the system does a lot of fear testing to see what you're ready for next you know what what can it put

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into your data stream that will help you grow up what level are you where are you and what what kind of

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things are going to help you grow up rather than frighten you and make you go backwards so they they do some

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fear testing and that's one of the fear tests you know it's a it's kind of a standard test so a lot

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of people get that and if they get a very fearful approach to it oh no who are these people what are

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they doing i feel totally helpless i'm out of control oh they're going to do this and that to me

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if you get that then you start your own fear will start to add to that story and it'll get worse and

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it'll get horrible and they'll do worse things to you you'll start to you'll start to add to the story

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and that is one fear test and a lot of people get fear tests there's a lot of other fear tests that

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people get people who start going out of body often they'll they'll run into monsters yeah you

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know they get out of body for the first time and they meet some kind of monster with big bloody teeth

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or something and they run and jump back in their body and it's gone and now they're upset with

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themselves because they've been wanting to get out of body for years and they finally do and they

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they run from it those kinds of tests we get those while we're dreaming we get those just

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can just happen to us we get a data stream we may be sitting on the back porch at two o'clock in the

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afternoon perfectly sober and get that in our data stream and there may be five people with us that all get

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the same thing in their data stream so everybody sees the fine saucer it just depends the system

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will do that to challenge us to see at what level we are and if we feed it with our own fear then it

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turns out to be a lot worse than it would be if we didn't so that's the problem it's not going to be that

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the system gives us something horrible it doesn't it gives us something that is more benign than that

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so i can tell you i've had similar experiences to that too i've had my uh i've had my sessions with

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the you know with the flying saucers and the beamed up and interacting with beans you had experiences

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like that of being abducted yes i've had experiences like that in your sleep or like fully conscious

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well in my my awareness i was fully conscious but in actuality i was just getting a different data

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stream and i dealt with that i dealt with it uh without a lot of fear and it turned out okay but

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it was the same sort of thing that i hear when others talk about it and i kind of thought well you

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know that's just not a you know not a good thing but a bad thing it's uh something i'll watch out for

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and i let it go and it you know it didn't happen anymore it was that kind of a thing once yeah

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probably a couple of times two or three times but what happens when they give you these tests they'll

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give it to you and then they'll modify it and give you it again if you do well they'll give you

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another one see if you do well and if you pass two or three of them then it wasn't just lucky

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gas it was you've already passed that point so then they don't get them anymore and as i went back

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to it and and inspected it you know those experiences i think it was just a larger conscious system trying

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to give an assessment of who i was and how i would interact and how much fear i had how old were you when

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this happened hmm how old were you when this uh alien abduction happened uh i wouldn't really call it an

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alien abduction i just was you're calling it a data stream test or something like that but it's

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for normal for for somebody who doesn't isn't aware of this again exactly people again make up a story

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yeah to fit the experience sure so that's the only abduction story that fits the experience but i had

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an experience and it also was put in the context of some other beings in kind of a spaceship i mean that

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was this that was the story that was given to me and i was like teleported there if you will um

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what ended up prior ended up there i'm trying to think about how old i was i was probably

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um late 20s early 30s for me wow that that happened but see i had been working already for some years

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with bob munro so i had a little more savvy with mind and consciousness and and that kind of stuff

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than the average person was so i looked at it not from a a personal this is scary viewpoint but from a

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this is a interesting this is an interesting uh trip this is an incident in reality what were you doing

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leading up to when that happened do you remember i think what was i doing what the moments before yes

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i was probably just lying in a bed not sleeping you know being awake with my mind kind of drifting

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i hadn't gone to sleep yet but i wasn't you know i was in a twilight state i guess they they call that

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you know it's kind of in a twilight state and then suddenly all these things started to happen

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from this twilight state so i know i went i hadn't gone to sleep yet but it wasn't a dream it was

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something else it was just an experience that i got experiences information data defines the experience

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so that happened i didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it i experienced it i let it go but

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i had a lot of experience for that time i'd been going out to monroe for some years yeah and strange

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experiences were almost every day for me you know i could put it into a perspective if you just got

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that out of nowhere it would be probably scarier and more you know more of a problem but sure i had

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you know i had lots of experiences that were unexplainable so another unexplainable experience was

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not that big a deal how would you describe the beings that you saw they were not like us very

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different weren't human the beans that i saw the beans that did that weren't human were they uh hominid

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looking two are upright two legs mostly hominid looking yes but very different and again that's

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the picture i paint i get the data and i have to put the face on it i have to put the yeah i have to

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make the story to describe it so now if i read a lot of books about you know grays and people with big

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eyes and that sort of thing that's probably what i'd be the story i'd put on it right but i didn't have

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that stuff then that wasn't that popular so i made up my own pictures and they were just very strange

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they weren't humans did they communicate was there any communication uh yes there was some communication

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they i talked with them they talked with me um but the feeling that i got during that communication

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was sort of like the feeling you get when the guy at the used car store tells you only a little old lady

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you know owned that car and she only drove it on sundays you know you get really yeah you get that

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feeling that they were telling you things but that you really couldn't believe it or take it too

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seriously interesting yeah it was just it was kind of off and you had this idea that there was something

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else going on you know besides what you were experiencing there was another components to it so

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you had that sense of the of the experience so you weren't quite sure yes they were saying things but

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you weren't quite sure that there that there was another what do you call it um another agenda there

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was some other agenda going on you smelled yeah you smelled something it's not all what you see you know

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what you see is just what you see there's other stuff going on that you don't know about so you

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definitely got that as a strong opinion but that was part of the stuff that was going to

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going to check your fear level that's interesting because you know uh speaking about john mack

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there he did there was a famous case that he studied in zimbabwe and rua zimbabwe the school

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aerial school where all of these children i think there was like 14 or 15 children all saw being

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standing outside of the playground like beyond the playground staring at them and communicating

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to them with feelings they said there was no verb no auditory there was no words being transmitted

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but they were looking into their eyes and they were being just flooded with emotional feelings and the

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feelings they described were um the way they interpreted those feelings was that like technology

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is bad and the way we are developing and evolving our technology is going to destroy us and we need to

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stop yeah that may be something that they had already heard or just the you know just the message i had this

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i had the sense kind of going back to that experience i had a sense that there was a another agenda going

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on but i didn't feel particularly threatened but that was me i already had gotten rid of most of my fear

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earlier on you know out at the lab with bob so i didn't i didn't feel really threatened but they were

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doing things to me yes but it was my kind of attitude was that's interesting but i could see that if i

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didn't have that ability or that experience you know that that could be frightening and once it gets

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frightening then you start making up your own story and you start adding things to it and you become a

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generator of the information that you're that you're interpreting interpreting so it kind of depends on

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the fear level of the individual and and uh yeah i got a i got kind of a message after that it happened a

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few times and i i then made contact when i was before i would go to sleep i was making contact with these

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people and i got the idea you ought to just turn that off and ignore it stop you know stop with that

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it's it's uh you don't you don't need that so i did i cut that off you know like i say on the web

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you get you click the x you can close the portal yeah if you want to so you just close the portal and

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you don't hear that anymore you don't get it so that's just one of the things you can learn to do

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so this larger consciousness that you speak of that we all come come from is this god well that's an

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interesting thing you know i never looked at it that way it just turned out i was just following

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the logic of how consciousness evolved and i ended up with this larger consciousness system and about

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i don't know 10 15 years ago i was giving a a talk in the basement of a church because that's a very

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cheap venue and it was in atlanta georgia and i had two phd theologians there was the minister and

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the assistant minister and the idea just hit me so i stopped what i was saying i was telling people

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sort of things i've told you i was telling people a larger consciousness system and so on and i asked

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them i said well you two are theologians right and they said yes and i said tell me what are the

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characteristics of god now i don't want you know dogma i just want the fundamental characteristics what

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what are the attributes of god in general and they did they went and huddled and came back about 10

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minutes later and it was their list and they had about six seven things on there that was the attributes

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of god every one of them was an attribute of the larger consciousness system and when i i didn't expect

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that i thought maybe one or two or three might be but all of them were and after that i started thinking

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about it well you know this model has also derived god what is god where does it come from well it's

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the larger consciousness system it's the source of everything oh yes we are created in its image

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we're little pieces that are the same piece of consciousness with memory and processing and

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whatever we're virtual machines inside the larger machine and it all kind of fell together

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that that's what most people talk about when they talk about god functionally you know the attributes

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but now the larger conscious system isn't perfect it's not supernatural it's natural it doesn't know

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everything all the time but it can know everything but it has to focus its intention you know it has to

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focus here focus there and if it focuses everywhere at once then it doesn't get the fidelity that it does

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if it focuses various places so so it's a consciousness system and then that says that says that it has

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all those same functions that we ascribe to god so not only does this theory of everything do physics and do

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psychology and do metaphysics and do philosophy but it also does theology and that answers some of the big

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questions in theology but you know where's god come from and how did that start and on well it all goes

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back to that original cell of consciousness that could just be a one or a zero and it evolved from that state

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so yes and i've had any number of people that this one lady she was a nurse and i can't remember where

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in colorado i think and she wrote to me and she said that i am a very religious person i consider

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myself to be very religious i take religion very seriously and i always have and she went on to say

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wherever i go now i always carry two books with me the bible and my big toe she says i love your work

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because everything that was mysterious that i didn't understand i understand it now and it all makes perfect

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sense to me so i've had a number of people and what i expected when i wrote the books is that the people

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who were very religious would not like my big toe very much that they would uh you know i'd find them

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on the negative side of that but i haven't mostly i've found people who are religious to think that it's a

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really good idea because suddenly all the things that they were taught have a scientific foundation under

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them rather than a mystical foundation under them it's the same with the paranormal stuff everything

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paranormal is easily you know turned into logic and science that's just the way consciousness works

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consciousnesses are netted so if the larger consciousness is god that means that means we

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are all also god we're also pieces of that system we're gone we have all of its attributes but at a

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smaller package okay well think of the computer thing you know you have the mainframe and then

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you have totally then you have 10 000 users and each one of those users has a little bit of memory and a

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little bit you know a little bit of uh processing and so on we're all pieces of it we're all pieces

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so we have the same general attributes general attributes of god we are pieces of that larger conscious

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system but we're in a smaller package we don't have the we don't have the capacity that it has because

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it has the capacity to fit in all of us and everything else but we're we are we have all the same things we

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can evolve the quality of our consciousness to that same level of being love so we can we can duplicate

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that we're not limited other than in you know resources we have limited resources it doesn't

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seem to it has limited resources too but it's it's much bigger well the god of christianity capital g

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um they believe that christians believe god is all-knowing all-omnipotent which means god knows

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everything that's ever happened and that will ever happen which means god knows the future

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which means our stories are already written yeah no see i wouldn't agree with that i would say that

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the larger conscious system knows most everything that has happened because it's all in that database

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that it collects on all the decisions and choices and so on so it's got all that data collected and it has

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omniscience in the sense that it can look like everything that's going on and why it's going on

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so because we're pieces of it you know the mainframe can look at all the users and what the users are

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doing and how they're doing it the mainframe it's actually it's just a piece of the mainframe so the

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mainframe isn't locked out of that they're just using a piece of that mainframe so it's the same thing

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so yes the mainframe can know what's going on but the future is not a done deal because if the future

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is a done deal then there are no choices if there are no choices there is no free will

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if there is no free will there's no consciousness consciousness i define as awareness with a choice

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that's it awareness with a choice free will is necessary for consciousness there are no choices then

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there's you know there's nothing there's no growth there's no evolution there's no change

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if if it's all fixed then there's nothing happening it's the zero it's the zero set so there's no purpose

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to it it's just done finished it's a so what you know there's nothing significant ever and that doesn't

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build a system you can't build a system out of that so the idea that this is a determinist

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deterministic now the physicists will like to say this is deterministic because they want to say that

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if i knew the state vector of every particle in the universe i could compute everything that would

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happen from there on but that's nonsense it doesn't work like that physicists who want to believe

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that matter is at the bottom even though they their experiments tell them that they're not they

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paint themselves in a corner there's two logical positions that are totally opposite and you can't

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mix them one is that this is deterministic and materialistic if it's materialistic it has to be

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deterministic those two are matched set they go together on the opposite corner philosophically you have

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consciousness time and free will those three have to exist if you take any one of them away the other two

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can't make it consciousness needs choice conscious of what doing what you know it's it has to have input

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you have to have choice this input or that input you have to have choice how do you interpret the data

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so if you don't have choice you don't have free will if you don't have free will there is no point in

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consciousness consciousness doesn't really exist it's it's not you know there's nothing to do it's all been done

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right so it's the like i say it's the zero it's starting at zero there's nothing nothing can change nothing can grow

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nothing can evolve nothing can ever be learned it's just nothing so that you can't make a system out of

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nothing doing nothing right so you you know i find that to be kind of an irrational

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an irrational space to be the rational space is yes there is growth there is change there is time you

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know if you don't if you have a choice you have to have time before the choice after the choice

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so the physicists will have to tell you that this is deterministic there is no free will and there is

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no consciousness and there is no time all of those are imaginary things that we we believe but they're not

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true and all of that's bs what do you mean there's no time and there's no learning and there's no that

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that doesn't make any sense that's because they misinterpret one of einstein's equations they

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get that but there is time there is free will and there is choice and that free will is kind of sacred

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in in the world of consciousness that's what if you don't have free will then again you don't have

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anything right so you need all three of those time choice and awareness all of those together have to be

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you know as a set just like materialism and determinism have to go as a logical set

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and you can't have one foot in this camp and one foot in that camp and still be rational to be

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rational you have to be in this one or at least consistent you have to be in this one or that one

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or you're logically inconsistent so that's the choice the zero set that does nothing goes nowhere

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and the set that evolves and grows and creates that's that's the set that is what i experience

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yeah what happens when we die uh that's an easy question i know that's the hard question but that's

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really the easy question and first let me tell you how i know because how do you know what happens when

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you die well i know from from uh several approaches one um it's easy to do a mind-to-mind connection

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with somebody and then just follow along with them so you see hear smell and taste what they see here

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smell and taste and it's just a mind-to-mind connection yeah what was it uh spock used to do

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that with the fingers on the on the head right he'd do a a mind meld well it's kind of like that it's

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but not quite so show you're tapping into somebody else you touch it into somebody else's mind so you're

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just an observer you're sitting there observing what they're doing right and i've done that two or three

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times with people as they died wow and you can just attach to them and then you can go with them and

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see where it goes and then you go through you were there while they died yeah you just attach to their

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consciousness it's what you're attaching to their consciousness the body dies the consciousness

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doesn't so when they die you're with their consciousness and you can follow that process

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that they go through and that's one way that i learned the other way was that a long long time

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ago the larger conscious system gave me a job in the virtual reality frame i call the transition reality

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and that's where you end up after your avatar dies and it's there for a transition and i was there just

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to learn what was like i was i was like a walmart greeter you know the people would die and they would

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come there and i would say come on come off this way it's fine everything's going to be all right

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and i was doing that for a while and i got around to the various places and stations and so i spent

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probably i don't know months where every night i had entities come to me when i was very young like

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seven years old they taught me how to go out of body and they taught me a lot of other things too how

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to get around in the non-physical so i had all that happen to me at a young age and i had

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you know non-physical friends forever and i still do some of the ones i interacted with when i was

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seven they you know i still interact with them so that's been a constant but anyway the system sent me

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to this transition reality so that i would understand what happens when you die and i worked

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there for probably a month every night i'd lie down and as soon as i hit the bed and shut my eye

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it was gone and i was there and i did that every night until i learned everything that was there

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so i've seen it from the death and the process and the transition and i've seen it from the other side

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where the that transition comes to the transition reality and and goes through the process of finding

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another avatar and and going back so it's sort of like the idea of reincarnation so our consciousness

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gets shuttled into another avatar yeah and born like when a baby is born does it enter it doesn't

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have to be when it's born it can be mostly it is before once the once the um the the baby has

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sensory organs it can see it can hear it can smell it can taste then that's when a consciousness can

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can go there and see hear smell and taste those things from those sensory organs you know it can

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like log on to that because there's sensory data there to process so that way the the consciousness

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can hear the parents voices can hear music being played can experience some you know of what's coming

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can pick up it's intuitive can pick up the feelings and the the the kind of ambience of the space that

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it's in so there's a lot of things that it can that it can do there it gets a sense of feeling a sense of

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space you know it can punch mom and in the belly you know and do things that are fun so yes it often

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it often comes in before birth just when it has sensory stuff before there's any sensory there's no point

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there's no input data there's there's no data stream so once there's a data stream it can log on

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to that data stream wow now sometimes it comes and logs on even after birth sometimes it's slow sometimes

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something happens there's a there's some you know one case i had a friend a friend of mine had a family

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member who lived somewhere not around me or her and they had a baby born with a brain cancer

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so the baby was born and they detected i'm not sure how they detect maybe they detected it not in the

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ultrasound or something that had some kind of lump in the brain that it shouldn't have had

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so then when it was born they they examined that and found that there was some sort of a brain cancer

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and when they discovered that the entity that was going to to be the consciousness logged onto that

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changed his mind said no i don't want that i don't want that i don't want that experience i don't want

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to be logged on to an infant with a brain cancer not what i had in mind so they backed out

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and the system was looking for somebody to pick that up and i got invited in well i was invited by this

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friend to see what i could do so i saw i went to the babe i saw the brain cancer and i healed the brain

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cancer and brain cancer then disappeared and another entity came wasn't the first entity but another entity

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came that was willing to take that on and then the healing took place after that other entity came

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and so it actually got a second you want to call it the consciousness spirit soul whatever you want to

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call it so the first one got replaced because it didn't back out now that brings up a point is free will

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does not get run over if you say no if they say well do you want to take this body you can say

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no and they won't force you you're not forced to do anything you know that happened like how do you know

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that this entity entered the baby and then did you turn left and then something else came in because when i

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log on i look at the whole situation when i get into it i get there and i see what's going on what

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happened and i talked to the entity that was the baby then i talked to that entity that consciousness

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and that consciousness was up in a whip because it didn't want that and then i i kind of asked the

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system you know what what do you want to do here there seems to be a problem and the system

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said give me a moment and i was you know so i work all that out like if you came and told me that you

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know my mother is ill can i help i would don't just go and help with that problem i have to go connect

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with your mother find out what the problem is why the problem is where did it come from why is she

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having that problem and then i can decide whether i should heal it or not because sometimes the problems

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people have are part of their learning experience they need to have those problems it gives them

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choices to have so sometimes it's because they've had a lifetime of anger and stuff and it's built up

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you know negative stuff in the body is now expressing all that anger in terms of a cancer

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in which case you don't mess with it you say no i'll let that one be it's it's what they need to

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experience they need to experience the the consequences of the way they've been but other

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times i'll find out that oh it's just you know yes this would be a good candidate to heal you know

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that's a good idea so i have to connect with everything before i decide what it is i'm going

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to do about it when i connected with this entity that was the consciousness for that baby i found that

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it didn't want to be there it didn't want to have a kind of a experience so then they got somebody

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else and i did the healing and the cancer went away and that little person is now probably an adult

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how did the doctors react to you healing the cancer they react to it like it's a miracle

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so they saw it they had tested it it was cancer they didn't know that that before they did a biopsy

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probably and it just went away cancer does that sometimes wow so you know that was some years back

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but this person like i say it was a family member of a good friend of mine so they kept getting updates

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on it so i was getting the updates on what was happening and what was going on have you you have

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when's the last time you had contact with this person that baby who is probably now i never actually

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had physical contact with them and after i did the healing i just i butted out i let it go so it

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worked on its own way but i did get a sense i did talk to the entity that was coming in and i told my

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friend that the entity coming in is really a high quality entity it's one that didn't mind taking the

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risk of starting out with a brain cancer or whatever that might mean you know living the first bunch of

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years of your life in surgeries or you know whatever else it might mean or dying early yeah so i told her

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what the kind of entity that it would be and it turned out that that was the kind of entity it was

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so she reported back to me and said yeah she's really a special a special kid so i've been doing

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these things all my life you know it sounds like a wow but it's every it's kind of a everyday thing

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that i do and i don't any longer have to go into a meditation state or anything just do it you know

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it's either i can tell you i never meditate anymore i can tell you i live in a meditation state they're

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both equivalent it's both the same thing so that's amazing man that's super fascinating just to hear your

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story and the way you live your life and the way you look at the world um i got many many stories i bet

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you do i think i generally don't tell them though i don't like to tell stories well i'm sure there's

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a lot more we can talk about and i would love to do a part two to this podcast down the road

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um but we just did three hours so thank you for your time i'm very grateful for you coming here and

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doing this is there um a place where people can go to get in touch with you or learn more about your work

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sure yeah there is uh several places i have a website that is www.my-big-toe.com they can go there

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and they can find yeah there it is they can find a lot of information and i've just skipped over the

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top here kind of hitting some of the high points and skipping some others and it's a lot there's a lot

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more that i didn't say that than i did say but you can go there and get the the gist of it pretty

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much from the website if you're interested in doing paranormal if you want to prove it to yourself and

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i would suggest that you do that because it's it's hypothetical and magical until you do it yourself

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and then it's real after you do that and i've got a course there that you can get that will it's an

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audio course you just take it it's a it was the best of the best of uh of audio courses that i did

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to teach people to do all the paranormal things it'll teach you mind to mind it'll teach you changing

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the probabilities it'll teach you remote view you know talk with dead people all the things you might

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want to do you can get a course there to do it uh you can read my books the books are a little hard to

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read for a lot of people but if you read them very slowly they'll make more sense now besides that

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i've got a youtube channel the youtube channel has something like 1500 videos most of those videos are

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one or two to three hours so it's a tremendous amount of video that nobody would ever get through

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all of that but i have two things to help you out one is i have a search tool which you can get to

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here in the website that will that will that will search by subject through all of those two or three

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thousand hours of video by subject and it will give you a link that'll take you to just that 10 minutes

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in that video where i talk about that subject and then it does them by order oh that's cool by order of

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significance so you can go you can really search through all the thousands of hours very efficiently

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by subject and i have a specially trained ai called ai guy which is a character in my books and ai guy

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talks with my voice and is about 98 accurate if you ask it things about my model and and you know

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things that are in the books and in the videos you can ask it a question and it's a a very accurate

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ai of we took a normal ai and then we fed it the transcripts of all the videos that i've ever done

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and we fed it the books and we fed it everything basically that i've said so it's it's got all of my

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material in its database and it does a very accurate version of me so if you'd like to ask me a question and

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you find that hard to do go ask ai guy and he will tell you very closely the exact words that i would

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use that's amazing yeah it's super impressive it's really very good yeah i have a a guy who does ai who

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figured this all out for me and made ai guy and then we tried to test it you know it'd give me a lot of

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difficult questions questions that weren't just simple but hard questions that you really had to

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understand to get it and they gave me like 15 questions and i'd answer them and they'd tape all

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of that and then they'd ask the ai the same and then compare the answers between mine and and the ai

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and they were pretty much right on there was very little differences occasionally the ai would say

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something that i didn't say because i just didn't think of it but it did and occasionally i would say

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something that it didn't think of but i'd say about 98 it's like talking to me that's amazing man so we

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can go do that um if you're interested in the science you can go to the uh the youtube find a

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playlist called science or science trilogy something like that and you'll find a lot of me talking about

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the physics involved or the science of it if that's something that interests you go there um

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you know some people are interested in science some people are interested in the rest if you're

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interested in the soft side of it like how do i do better with my relationships you know how how do

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me and myself even other get along better how do i raise my children you will find the soft side of

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it in a lot of videos that i did um with a couple of ladies where the soft side was their main interest

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and i've got i don't know 30 40 videos there that uh are all about relationship and connections with

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people you know it's the science of the subjective you not only get a new science of the a more general

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science of the objective of better physics but you also get a science of the subjective that tells you

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you know what what it's all about right the right way to think of things to grow and to end up having

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good relationships so you can get both sides there on youtube i tried to keep the science mostly in videos

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and youtube because i didn't want too much science in my book i wanted my books to be accessible to

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everybody and all you have to do is say that there's physics in the book and nobody will pick it up right

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so i tried to not do too much of that and there's not much in the book the books were written at a

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general level for everybody you don't have to have any particular background to read them the only thing i

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suggest is just read them very slowly they're very very dense which is what makes them hard to read

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you will probably you will probably find something that takes you 15 or 20 minutes to think about in

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almost every paragraph so if you just kind of read over it you're going to miss a lot of it you have to

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read a paragraph and then think about how does this how does this affect me what is it saying about me

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in my life in my experience and the reason i called it my big toe wasn't because i was so proud of it

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you know oh it's my big toe it was because it's derived from my own experience in the non-physical

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and as a physicist and i tell people that it's just the launch pad for your own big toe you cannot

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you know you you have to experience something before it's your truth

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right it cannot be your truth if it's not your experience if you read about it it's somebody

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else's truth not yours and if you take on that experience as you read about it and say well that

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sounds good well now you're a believer in that truth you don't want to believe you want to not

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believe anything stay skeptical of everything so that your own big toe the way you see the world

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is based on your own experience that's the way you have to go so i'm not trying to sell you anything

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here as far as an attitude or a model or anything else i'm trying to give you a framework in which

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you can build your own model of reality based on your own experience which is why i gave courses on

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doing the paranormal because people said well okay i'd like to base it on my experience so help me

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help me have experience of the paranormal so i did i put that course together for that reason and it comes

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with a set of binaural beats that you can get separately just binaural beats will put you into a

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mental space that's equivalent to somebody who's been meditating say for a decade it just gives you that

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theta theta state right where you're solid and you keep that theta state from the beginning to the end

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and then when the exercise is over you're back without it yeah but that's what the binaural beat does it kind of

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coaxes your eeg energy into the right into the theta region and then keeps it there it's beautiful

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stuff man well thank you again i appreciate it and we'll make sure we link all that stuff below for

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people that want to learn more and find all your stuff so thanks again okay you're welcome well thank

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you for the opportunity my pleasure you know information is wonderful but shared information is much better

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that's right that's your business you're in the business of sharing information and that's

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how we move forward in this reality we have to connect and share that's what's important i agree

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and you're doing a great job so thanks again and you're doing a great job i appreciate it good night

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everybody good night

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