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Well, hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to this inaugural episode of Reality Check,
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a new program here on NewsNation that's going to dig into the issues that you and I care about.
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One of those issues, of course, is the subject of unidentified anomalous phenomena, UAPs.
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And by golly, what a week it has been to kick off a new show like this.
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Of all the ridiculous piles of steaming doctored I've ever seen served up before the US Congress
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as a report that supposedly tells the truth about what's really going on inside the National
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Security World. The arrow, historical review of UAPs, was a big pile of steaming BS.
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I don't know whether I'm allowed to get away with that kind of language on NewsNation,
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but we'll give it a go and see if they get this through the edit. I care passionately about the
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laws of your beautiful country. I live in Australia, and I'm a trained lawyer by profession,
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but I work as a journalist, an investigative journalist. I've done long form investigative
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journalism for much of the last 35 to 40 years. I'm a completely failed lawyer. I could never
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keep my mouth shut, and I could never stop digging into the files that I found very interesting
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in the stories that I worked on. And I care about one thing in your country that is beautiful,
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the US Constitution. I'm gelously, gelously protective of the rights and freedoms that are
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gifted by that constitution so expressly in your laws. And the reason I care about the UAP issue
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more than most is because at the heart of the unidentified anomalous phenomena mystery,
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is the question as to whether or not the United States government is misleading the American public
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and indeed the rest of the world on the truth of what's really going on.
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As you know, in June last year, I did an exclusive story for NewsNation revealing the account of David
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Grush, a former senior, very senior intelligence officer with the National Geospatial Intelligence
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Agency and the National Reconnaissance Organization. And he revealed to me exclusively on television
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the shocking revelation that we are not alone. For the first time an intelligence insider
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revealed the existence of a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet. He also acknowledged
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that it was true that the United States government has been involved in what I referred to
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euphemistically as crash retrievals and that there is a retrieval program ongoing of non-human
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technology. There's also a reverse engineering program, a program underway inside the US
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government and private aerospace that is one of the highest kept secrets in the US government.
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It's a program to attempt to back engineer recovered exotic non-human technology.
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Now, even before I met David Grush, I knew this was true. The reason I met David Grush was because
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I heard about him from people inside the legacy program and believe me, ladies and gentlemen,
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these are good people, that patriots, they're not people trying to compromise national security
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secrets that should continue to be protected. They want the United States and my country Australia
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to continue to flourish his democracies. They love the idea of protecting our democratic freedoms,
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the constitutional ideas enshrined in your constitution. And what they're appalled about is that
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there has been an egregious failure that has gone on now for decades inside the National Security
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Establishment, which has concealed the existence of a legacy retrieval and reverse engineering
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program. Now, I know that sounds utterly absurd and there will be the debunkers and the trolls
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who suggest that this is all a delusion. But as you'll hear today from a direct first-hand
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witness to the existence of that retrieval program, there is direct evidence and it's just the
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beginning. There's going to be a long, slow rollout of witnesses and evidence before the Congress.
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Now, it's not that Congress is dragging the chain, by the way. I'm very happy to tell you that I
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was in Washington, D.C. just a couple of weeks ago. I was strolling the halls of Congress and talking
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to defence and intelligence insiders, people who care about you, the public, getting the truth about
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what's really going on. And I was stopped on occasion by congressional representatives and,
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indeed, two senators, none of whom are actually prominent in the coverage, the news coverage that's
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been reported to date about the UAP issue. They were thrilled to see me. They knew me from the
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Russian interview and they wanted me to know they care about this issue. They wanted me to know
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that there is a bipartisan support to get to the truth of the issue of this UAP mystery,
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not least because they recognised that it's a threat to the constitutional freedoms,
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the democratic ideas that I love about America. One of the things I'm jealous about when I was at
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law school in New Zealand studying the law in British law, we don't have stipulated enshrined
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constitutional rights. You do. You've got your various rights enshrined in your constitution
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in law. And that makes the role played by constitutional lawyers and professors very, very
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significant because they can hold the government to account in the courts when there are prescriptions
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on those constitutional rights by acts of illegality by the state. And I'm sorry to get into a kind of
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a pointy headed phase here, but I think this really matters. At the heart of my concern with the UAP
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issue is the kind of bias that happened last week when the Arrow Historical Review report was
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tabled in the Congress and presented to the public for the public to see. I knew that this pile of
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steaming dog turd was going to be a cover-up and it is. It's an egregious, fraudulent misrepresentation
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on the American public of the truth of what I and many people know. And the irony is it's going to
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backfire terribly on the defence department and the intelligence community. Because as you will
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hear today, what has been done in the presentation of that report to Congress is a flagrant breach
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of an extremely important executive order made by President Reagan, executive order 12, triple three.
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This executive order, among other things, forbids the use by the intelligence community of any
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covert action influence campaign on either the media or public opinion. Now we've caught them
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red handed or so our interview today will allege. Attorney Daniel Sheawn will appear on this show
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later today where he gives direct first hand evidence of a retrieval program. He's never been
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able to talk about before the fact that he gave direct evidence to Arrow, the Pentagon's all-domain
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anomaly resolution office, their UAP UFO investigation office. He signed an NDA with Dr. Sheawn Kirkpatrick.
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But he's made the decision over the weekend to speak publicly about what he knows because he is
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genuinely appalled at the fraudulent lies and misrepresentation that have been presented to the
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Congress by Dr. Sheawn Kirkpatrick. And believe me, this is just the beginning. We're ready for a fight.
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I'm so proud that news nation as a media organisation is getting behind my journalism.
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What I want to do with a show like Reality Check is investigate in long form the kind of stories
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that really matter. As you'll see, I'm not going to be focused just on the UAP issues. There's a lot
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in America that I really care about and that I want to investigate. But for this inaugural program,
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I do want to comment about the Arrow Historical Review Report because what it is,
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it's an inflection point. It's a tipping point. It's a line in the sand. In a hundred years time,
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this moment will be written about in the history books. It will be the moment when the world
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begins to realise that the Pentagon gatekeepers of this legacy program made a terrible mistake.
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They flat out lied and now we're going to catch them out on that lie. And the big challenge is
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what is Congress going to do about it. I love the simplicity of the law. You make a law,
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you figure out on the evidence whether somebody's breached it and if they have breached it,
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you bring them before a quarter a tribunal and you hold them to account for that breach.
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It's now up to Congress to test the veracity of what you're about to hear from Attorney Daniel Sheon.
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Daniel Sheon is about to make an incredibly dramatic allegation. He is going to allege that Dr.
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Sean Kirkpatrick, the former director of the All-Dermain, a normally resolution office,
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the Pentagon's UFO office has lied to Congress. And moreover, he believes that this is part of a
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continuing cover-up of a legacy retrieval and reverse engineering program by not just the Pentagon
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and the intelligence community, but also by people in private aerospace. I actually had a
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conversation with somebody on the weekend who's aware of the legacy program. And they laughed
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when I expressed my indignation about the fact that there were such obvious lies reported
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in the RO report. One of the things that was mentioned in the RO report was the fact that as part
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of their supposed investigation, there were certain named companies that were alleged to be
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experimenting on alien technology and there were witnesses that went to RO and gave this evidence.
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RO said, quote, RO has found no evidence that US companies ever possessed off-world technology.
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The executive scientists and chief technology officers of the companies named by interviewees
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met with the director of RO and denied on the record that they have ever recovered, possessed
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or engaged in reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology.
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Now I'm going to call them out as will others very soon on that lie. Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin,
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and others, you are lying. And we know you're lying because we're talking to people inside your
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organizations who say you're lying. And it may be that you believe you can do what I was told on
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the weekend by my source is the self-justifying excuse that you give yourself for doing this.
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And that's because this lie is protected by what's called a waived, unacknowledged special access
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program, which essentially means the dirtiest secret of all inside the US military industrial
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complex. These are the most highly protected secrets in the United States. And these wooseps
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require anyone read into these programs to lie. Now crucially, I think it's very, very important
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for you, the viewer, the listener to realize that just because there is a special access program that
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protects this national security secret, it doesn't mean that everything being done within it
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is legally within the oversight and control of the Congress. And that's what we're talking about here.
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What we're talking about here is an egregious failure by Congress to do its job.
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The beauty of the American constitution is that it insurides the separation of powers in the
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constitution. And it gives you the American people the control. It's government of the people
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for the people by the people. And please, ladies and gentlemen, never forget that. It's people power
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that is going to make the difference here to hold these people to account. People who are committing
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egregious crimes against the American public and the rest of the world. For what we are talking
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about here is not only a constitutional breach, it's a crime against humanity. It's a flagrant
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deceit on the human race. And it's time it was exposed. Now that's enough of a rant from me.
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Let's just say that reality check is going to ask some bloody hard questions. And we're going to
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hold these people's feet to the fire and make them very, very miserable. And as long as news nations
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prepared to let me do it, I'm going to cause as much mischief as possible. So let's go now to our
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first guest on reality check, attorney Daniel Shean. So I'd now like to bring on Daniel Shean,
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who is one of America's foremost civil rights attorneys. A man I've known for quite some years
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and a person who's got a hugely distinguished career in exposing the dark secrets of the American
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military industrial complex black world. He was instrumental in helping the Washington Post and other
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newspapers tell the story of the Pentagon papers during the Watergate scandal. He was also a very
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important figure during the Iran Contra scandal. And more recently, he's been digging into the UAP
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issue through a new organization called the new paradigm institute. Welcome Daniel Shean. How are you, sir?
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Thank you, Ross. Busy, busy and excited.
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So look, welcome to this inaugural episode of reality check. It's a pleasure to have you on
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board our first episode. I want to get straight away, Danny, to a story you've told before, but which I
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think most Americans are completely unaware of. It's a story I love. I wrote about it in my book.
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And it's a story of how you were retained by Marcia Smith from the Congressional Research Service
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to do some work for President Jimmy Carter into the UAP issue. And before we get to the issue of
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what you were asked to do, just explain to me what you were told by Marcia Smith had happened
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when President Jimmy Carter asked to be briefed on the UAP mystery.
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Right. Well, what happened, Ross, is that President Carter was elected like on November 4th of
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1976. And right by the 19th of November, even before he'd been sworn in, one of the first things he
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did is he sent a word to have the CIA director come down to planes Georgia to his home,
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in brief him personally at his home about the UFO issue and his potential relationship to any
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extraterrestrial civilization. It turns out that the CIA director at that time was George H.W. Bush,
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who was later to become president. But at that time, he had been appointed by the new President,
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Gerald Ford, who had just taken over from Nixon having resigned due to the Watergate
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Burgundy scandal. And George H.W. Bush refused to give him the information. The George Bush told
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him that as the elected president, he had no reason to know this information. He said that if in fact,
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Carter was willing to keep him on as his CIA director so that he could become permanently the CIA
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director that he might be willing to tell him about this. But President Carter did not.
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And so what President Carter did is instead he contacted the Congress and said, look at the Congress,
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it needs to be involved in this. And he asked the Science and Technology Committee of the House of
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Representatives to contact the Congressional Research Service and to have them produce two major
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reports for the President. One, on the probabilities and likelihood of there being an extraterrestrial
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civilization. And secondly, whether it might be responsible for at least some of the sightings
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of the UFOs. And I was contacted by Marcia Smith, who was the director of the Congressional Research
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Service Science and Technology Division, and asked to become special counsel to that investigation,
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because I was at the Jesuit National Headquarters. I was there General Counsel in their social
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ministry office, which was their public policy office. So can I just take you then very quickly
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to what happened? You, I'm going to tell this in a rough quick form. As I understood it, you insisted
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on being given access to the Hitherto Unreleased Secret Unreleased Project Blue Book Files.
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And incredibly, they agreed to do that. You were given access because this was a presidential
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fear. And as a result of that, and I took great pleasure to the other day, I was walking back from a
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bar near Congress, and I stood at the Madison Building, the very same building where you were given
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entry before it was even officially opened. Tell me what happened that day when you went to the
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Madison Building in the National Archives. What happened? What happened is, Marcia Smith
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told me that I had to bring two forms of official photo ID. So I brought my Washington DC driver's
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license, and I brought my passport, and I came to the building. I was surprised that nobody had
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even occupied the building yet. It was brand new. It just got built. And there were these two suits
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standing outside of the door, waiting for me. They demanded to see both forms of identification.
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And I showed them both, and then they showed me in. So I went into the hallway, and they said,
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go down the hallway to the right, and you'll see an elevator there on the left. And you go down
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into the basement, and you'll see the place to go. So I went in, I got in the elevator, and I went
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down, and as I was going down the elevator, I just instinct. I just opened up my briefcase and took
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out the yellow pad in slip-tune under my arm, and then closed my briefcase. The elevator arrived
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in the basement. I got out, and it was dark down there. There weren't lights on, but I could see
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down the hall. I could see a light coming out of a room, and there were these two other
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suits, these guys, big kind of husky looking guys that were there. So I go down the hallway.
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They both demanded both of them, demanded to see my two forms of identification. It was sort of
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like they resented my even being there, and so I met I showed them, and they said, look,
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leave that briefcase here. You can't take it on the notes. You can't record anything,
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but here the stuff is they brought the stuff for you. And so I went, I put the suit, the briefcase down.
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Yes. So I just want to set the scene for this. This is you, Daniel Shea, being given access
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to the darkest, deepest secrets in the American military industrial complex. You've asked for,
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and being given access to the UFO files, the secret files of Project Blue Book. The files,
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the government denies exists. What did you find? Well, what I did is I walked in, and I was in this,
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this, a comparably small room. It was about maybe 20 feet wide, about 12 feet or so deep, and there
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were these three big cardboard fold-out tables. And they had like shoe boxes. These little light green,
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kind of government green shoe boxes with a little ties on them. And there was a microfiche machine
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that was there. And so I I sat down, and I took the yellow pad out and I slid it over behind one of
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the boxes. So if they looked in, they wouldn't see it. And I opened up the first box, and they had
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these little film canisters of microfiche, no. So I took the first one out and I put it into the,
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this old-timey microfiche machine, and started cranking it and looking at it with all these documents.
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And I said, I don't know how long they're going to allow me to stay in here. And so I said, if I
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start reading each one of these documents as a lawyer, it's going to take forever. So I sort of
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cranked through them to see if there were any photographs anywhere. Nothing was there in the first
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canister. And so I folded it all up and put it back in and I opened up a second canister,
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went through it and had a lot of documents again. I can see all the official stamps on them in the
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top secret designations, et cetera. And then I got to the third canister, I think it was. And part
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way in, there it was. Here was this series of photographs, black and white photographs of a
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crashed blind saucer. It was an egg doubt about what it was. It was a winter scene. There was snow
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on the ground and the saucer, it was a classic large disc saucer, about 40, 50 feet across,
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with a big dome on the top of it. And it had hit into this snow-covered field and it plowed this
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big ditch all the way across the field. Like the earth was all turned up and it was stuck into the
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side of this big snow-covered embankment. Stuck in there, like at a 45 degree angle,
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just stuck in the side of the hill. And I could see all around it. There were these air force
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personnel. They were in winter jackets, you know, with the big fur around the hood and they
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taking photographs of it. And I actually saw one of the guys in one of the photos, there are like
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three of them that I saw the photos. And they had one of these old-timey cameras, a movie camera,
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like with the two big round canisters on the top of them. So it must have been like in the late
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40s or early 50s or something, I figured. And so then all of a sudden I realized that in one
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of the photos I could see around the bottom of the dome of the crash saucer that was stuck in the
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embankment, these symbols. And I looked at them and I said, wow, look at them. There's nothing like
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anything I've ever seen. They're not Russian, they're not Chinese, they're not, you know,
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hyperglyphics. They're totally unique. So I said, okay, I'm going to trace these because I want to
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make sure they're absolutely identical to what is there and that they're in the exact sequence
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that they're in. And so I did as I took out the yellow... These are tops, these are top secret files,
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Denny, isn't that next to this, Ben Arch? Well, no, I've been cleared to see them. And so, so what I did,
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I took out the yellow pad and interestingly enough, it's just one of those instinctive things,
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I opened up the yellow pad to the inside cardboard backing. And what I did as I pushed the backing
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underneath the microphone machine and then focused the microphone right onto the inside,
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back inside cover of the yellow pad so that I could, I traced them identically,
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I absolutely, totally, accurately, every single one of them. And there must have been about
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to eight or ten of them that were all obvious. So I could, and I traced them in detail. And I got
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them all done. I kept looking up to see if anybody was watching. And so I got all done. And I closed
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the yellow, the yellow pad. And I said, that's it. I got it. You know, that's a UFO, man. And look,
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it's got all these, these unique symbols on them. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to put
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to put this stuff away. I put the little microfiche away, put it back in the box, took the yellow pad,
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stood up and put it under my arm. You know, I have my suit on. And I didn't put it inside my suit
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to try to hide it. I just stuck it under my arm. And I turned around and got up and walked out.
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I walked right straight out the door. And the two guys were kind of surprised. And I'm surprised.
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And I think about it that I left as soon as I did, but I had the information. And I said,
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I don't want to take any chances at all. So I left. I went out the door and I reached on and
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picked up my briefcase. I was sitting there by the side and I started walking down the hall.
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And I said, one of the guys said, hold it. Hey, hold it. And I stopped and he said, what's that you've
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got there? And I said, Oh, that's my briefcase. I just picked my briefcase up, which was, and he said,
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no, no, under your arm. What's under your arm there? They both of them came over to me and kind of
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loomed over me. And one of them reached over and yanked the yellow pad away. And then ruffled through
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all the yellow pages. And there was nothing on them, of course. And then he kind of grouppily handed it
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back to me. And so I put it back under my arm and just turned around and picked up my briefcase and
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started walking down the hall. I hope I wasn't whistling. You know, I tried to get, but I went down
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the hallway and got into the, got into the elevator. And when I got in the elevator, I opened my
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briefcase and put the yellow pad in. And it got up and went up the stairs and drove and walked right
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straight out the door and went back to Jesuit headquarters. So that is 1976 when that happened.
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That was the spring of 77. This all happened that he got elected in November 76. He on November 19th
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is when he confronted a bush and was refusing the information. This was like early spring of 1977.
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So 44 years ago, you got to see what you believe is categorical evidence of a crash retrieval
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of a non-human craft. Well, I knew that these symbols were not from anything I'd ever seen on
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the planet. And I had a fairly extensive history. But as I say, I knew they weren't Chinese,
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they weren't Russian, they weren't Hindu, they weren't anything that I'd ever seen. I'd seen
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a significant amount of the things. I studied foreign policy at Harvard College under Henry Kissinger.
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I studied theology and stuff at the Harvard Divinity School. I'd studied different legal texts.
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I was in fact the legal research assistant for Professor Jerome Cohen, who was ahead of the
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international law department at Harvard. So I did lots of the best of the nation about Chinese
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history and Chinese law. Nothing. These symbols were like nothing that I'd ever seen anywhere,
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anywhere on earth. Now, you're very sure it was USA Force personnel in what presumably sounded like
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1940s uniforms standing around what appeared to be a retrieved flying saucer. Yes, that's right.
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Because I recognized the winter guard because I was going to go to the Air Force Academy.
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So I was pretty familiar with Air Force Guard. And I said, these are Air Force guys.
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And these are official Air Force guys, you know, taking photographs and in movie footage of this
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thing. And I knew it immediately when I saw it. But what's important about this, Danny, is that
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is, if I'm not mistaken, that is first hand direct witness evidence from you of a UAP,
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a flying saucer, a non-human craft. Well, that was it was exactly as I said that I was I was there
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no doubt that it was a flying saucer. That was absolutely clear. And it wasn't a doubt that it
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was crouched. And it wasn't a doubt that there was no there were no symbols of anything on earth.
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They were on it. That much I know. What do you think? What do you think they gave you access?
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I mean, it's quite extraordinary. I mean, I can't think of any other time in history when anyone
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from outside of the legacy program has been given access to data, to evidence of the existence of
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such a prize. I was surprised. So was Marshal, well, so was Dr. Marshal Smith. When I asked her,
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she said, what kind of, what kind of information would you like to see? And I said, I knew it
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immediately. As I want to see the classified portions of Project Bluebot, I know that there's over 700
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sightings that they were unable totally to rationalize away. And they had rationalized away a lot
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of sightings that there wasn't legitimate. You know, but these 700 of them, they were obviously
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things that were so highly credible and had so many credible eyewitnesses that there was nothing
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they could do. So they just logged them in as unable to be identified. And so those were the ones
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I wanted. And those are the ones that she said, oh, they'll never give you that. They'll never give
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you that. I said, well, look at it. If we don't ask, we'll never get them. So please ask them.
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She said, well, all right, I'll ask them. Now listen, I've just got this naive idea that the
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president of the United States is the commander in chief. So when he says jump people jump,
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I would have thought if President Jimmy Carter ordered the CIA director, or even if it was George
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Herbert Walker Bush to give information on the UAP issue, I would have thought that he would have
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jumped to attention and said, yes, sir, no sir, three bags full, sir, and given him all the detail
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he needs, am I being very naive here? Well, that I won't comment on whether you're being naive,
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but I will say this is that that's exactly what I was told I had happened. And in the other presidents
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have indicated the same thing. And when John Kennedy, I know that when I was investigating, I was
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in the F. Lee Bailey's law firm when we were representing James McCord, the former CIA wire tapping
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specialists in the Watergate Berger, and I was tasked at the office to find out what the guys were
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doing in the Watergate hotel. What were they doing there? And when I conducted that investigation,
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I discovered one of the things I discovered is that on June 5th of 1963, President Kennedy
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was actually engaged in the exchange of secret letters with the cruise ship after the Cuban
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missile crisis of October 1962. And they were actually planning to, both of them, take steps to
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disassemble the nuclear warheads of their respective nuclear arsenals. And one of the things that
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President Kennedy wanted to do is he wanted to demonstrate to cruise ship his good faith,
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and he wanted to have a combined space program with Russia. So he demanded Kennedy on June 5th,
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demanded that he be given copies of all the UFO files. And they realized that he was going to give
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a cruise ship. And so they refused to give them to him. So these two specific instances in
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professional investigative capacities that I had that I was given direct information about that.
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So could I ask this? You were briefed eventually about the report that went to President Carter,
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was President Carter given any detail about what you had discovered in the National Archives building
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that day when you were given access to the classified portion of the project Blue Book Files?
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Well, actually, that's one of the peculiar facts about all this, Ross, is that what happened is
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I was so thunder struck by what I saw. What I did is I took it back to Jesuit headquarters,
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and I gave it to Father William J. Davis, who was my Jesuit superior. I was a candidate for the
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Jesuit priesthood at the time. I showed him what I had, and he just reached down and slid open
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the drawer of his desk and handed me this little 8 1 1 2 half by 11 Manila class envelope. And I
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opened it up and slid out an 8 1 1 2 half by 11 black and white glossy photograph of a UFO in flight.
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Wasn't he doubt about what it was? And I said to Father Davis, I said, where did you get this?
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He said, my sister, Doty gave it to me. I said, well, where did Doty get it? Is well Mike, her husband
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gave it to her. He is the head air traffic controller at the Seattle airport. In his best friend,
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who's a pilot, commercial pilot, who flies freight all around the North West, took this photograph
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out of his airplane window, and he didn't want to get in trouble and lose his pilot license. So he
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took it to his best friend Mike and gave him the copy and said, there, okay, I perform my duty. Now
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you have it. And Mike didn't want to get in trouble. So he took the photograph and gave it to his
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wife Doty and said, here, bring this to your brother. He's a priest.
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So that's how I got it.
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So, but what happened with President Jimmy Carter? Did he get told about what you'd found in the
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archives? You know, the, it's one of those bizarre facts about history is that I don't believe he did.
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I, uh, it stretches that sounds. Uh, and I imagine, Marshall Smith is upset at me, uh,
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for it because, uh, I, I, I didn't stay in there long enough to get a lot of other evidence,
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which I should have. And I, and I, I, I just gave it to Father Davis. And, uh, and we moved
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directly to try to get, to try to get the National Council of Churches to set a task force,
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to, uh, investigate UFOs and to figure out what the theological implications were. Uh, and, uh,
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that's, that's what happened.
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So, so it's your belief that even the president wasn't told about what you discovered that the
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report withheld that information, that direct first hand evidence of what you'd seen in those
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documents in the Madison building in the National Archives. Yeah. The two, the two reports that were
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ultimately issued by the Congressional Research Service to the president, which I saw.
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You know, we're simply abstract things about, you hear of the statistical probabilities,
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there's this many planets and this many star systems and here's Drake's equation. Uh, and it was
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just this really strange, soft, uh, kind of thing, but it did conclude based upon their probability
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projections that there were at least from two to six other highly intelligent, highly technologically
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developed, but distinctly non-human species in our galaxy. And they said that in the official
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report to the president, because I saw that. Wow. Now, I'm fascinated. I want to know, did you,
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when the opportunity came with the creation of the all domain anomaly resolution office,
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did you go to Dr Sean Kirk Patrick at the arrow, the Pentagon's UFO investigation office,
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as a first hand direct witness, did you provide that information to arrow of what you'd seen?
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I did. I absolutely did. I was talking with, uh, uh, with Chris Mellon about this and Chris said,
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look, he's going to contact Sean Kirk Patrick directly, uh, and take the position that Sean
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needs to interview me. Uh, and so I got contacted by Dr. Fitzpatrick and asked to go.
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Dr Sean Kirk Patrick said as recently as last Friday, in the report that was written to Congress,
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that no direct first hand evidence with knowledge of a retrieval program was provided to arrow,
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what he says in that document under oath, presumably to Congress or under some prescription
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about telling the truth, what he says to Congress is the complete opposite of what you're telling me
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now here today. That's true. That's true. Well, he was told personally because he's the one
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that conducted the interview of him and I gave him all the exact same. I don't want to drag you into
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a defamation case, Denny, but this is a very, very important point. There are obligations on offices
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of the state, people acting under congressional rule legislation. Dr. Sean Kirk Patrick was
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operating according to law tasked by statute of Congress to prepare a truthful and accurate
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report. Now I'm asking you, did Dr. Kirk Kirk Patrick lie when he gave you, sorry, did Dr. Sean
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Kirk Patrick lie when he made the assertion that there was no direct first hand witness evidence
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provided to arrow or the crash retrieval? I, I provided him under oath the exact same information
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that I've given to you. And the question is whether he was taking some weird position that
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well, that was a photograph and it wasn't on site that I didn't lay my hands on the crap.
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And I could tell from the way the report was written, it was kind of wiggle language of trying to
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pretend that somehow they had no direct evidence. But I, that, if I'm a court of law, as a 50-year
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practicing attorney from Harvard Law School, I can tell you that is directed, Missible First
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Hand Testimony, about the fact that there is direct visual photographic evidence of a crash
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retrieval program directly being undertaken by government officials. And he knows that it existed.
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So sir, I need to, I need to get an express statement from you. What is your position
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about the truthfulness of Dr. Sean Kirk Patrick in the evidence he gave last week to Congress?
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I think that it was a transparent, willful, conscious lie. Just like Project Google's one.
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Absolutely. And I know that. So you're accusing, you're accusing an officer of the government.
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You're accusing somebody who's been stitutarily tasked by Congress to prepare a report.
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You're saying that that particular official, Dr. Sean Kirk Patrick lied categorically to the Congress.
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Yes, he did. Wow. I mean, that's a very, very grave allegation. You'd be prepared to testify
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about that to Congress and to a court? Sure. No, absolutely. And then he would have to try to argue
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whether he said what his explanation was is why that wasn't, you know, sustainable proof of what
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was, what was in the photographs. Danny, you and I both know about an executive order,
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EO123. What is the relevance of this executive order made by President Reagan during his
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administration? What is the significance of that executive order in relation to the obligations
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that are imposed on members of the intelligence community? And can I also note for the record,
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Dr. Sean Kirk Patrick is at the time that he was doing that investigation and officer of the
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intelligence community, clearly covered by that executive order. Yes, the executive order,
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one, two, three, three, three explicitly prohibits anybody in the intelligence community from
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engaging in any kind of a covert program to try to influence the political opinion of the Americans
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citizenry that they that they're prohibited from engaging things like that there was thing called
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public diplomacy, which ironically enough was undertaken during the Reagan Bush administration.
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They had a whole program called public diplomacy where they were lying about around
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contra and denying that they were providing any weapons to them. I knew that that was a lie.
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And so I undertook the professional investigation and presented all the evidence to Congress and got
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a special select committee put together to present the evidence to in generated huge
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congressional public hearings about it. The same thing needs to be done here. This is a lie about
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insisting that they don't have any such information. For them to just turn around as they did in the
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report, Dr. Fitzpatrick, or Kirkpatrick, and just say, oh, he doesn't happen to believe any of these
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witnesses that are firsthand witnesses because somehow they've been duped by the UFO community.
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That's a ridiculous position to take and is propaganda. It is exactly what executive order, one,
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two, three, three is designed to prohibit in their inviolation of that.
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Is it possible? Is it something that could be taken to court and tested and enforced?
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That's one of the interesting things. I've had a set of discussions with a number of law
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school professors and legal experts on this. One of the things that we're talking about trying to
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do is put more enforcement language into the UAP disclosure act that was passed back in December
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because they intentionally, the House members, the senator, the Michael Turner that had a House
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Intelligence Committee, insisted he and the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,
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were going to refuse to allow the bill to be put on the floor unless the enforcement provisions
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were taken out. That's what happened. One of the challenges here is it's difficult to enforce
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those things. Just like with the Bowen Amendment 1984, Congress passed a law totally
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prohibiting the Reagan Bush administration and the Defense Department and the CIA from giving
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any aid director indirect to the Congress because they've been declared by the International
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Court of Justice to be international outlaws and the CIA went right ahead and defied it and kept
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right on going. He said, yeah, what are you going to do? And so what we did is filed a federal
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criminal racketeering act complaint against them. You know, and went to went to William Webster,
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the head of the FBI, I got Ross Perot, who was on President Reagan's National Security Advisory
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Team to bring the complaint directly to Bill Webster. Bill Webster began investigating it officially.
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That's how the Iran Congress scandal broke out. And the same kind of thing happened when I was
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involved in the Watergate investigation with the with the definitely Baylor's firm. We demanded
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that the Congress set up a special select committee to investigate it.
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Now, you've made a public statement now accusing Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick of lying. Has he responded?
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Not yet. No. What would you like to see done with this? I mean, I frankly, I, one of the things
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that shocks me as somebody who was trained in the law with no legal background like yours. But
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the thing that shocks me about the military and intelligence community in America is how often
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these egregious breaches of things like this executive order, one, two, triple three, just happen
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and get ignored. Isn't this going to be another case where this executive order banning covert
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action against the American public is just willfully ignored by the intelligence community?
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Yes. And unless Congress convenes hearings on this and remedies this with particular pieces
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of legislation and puts in criminal sanctions for these these types of violations. That's why
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we've organized the new paradigm Institute. And we're organizing citizens for disclosure,
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trying to set up an action team in every single one of the 435 congressional districts to write
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to their congresspeople and senators and get them to hold public hearings to know what needs to be
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remedy. So let's do be no mistake about this. You see what happened last week with the report
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that was presented to to Congress as a fraud. You think that the public are being lied to and you
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have direct first hand witness that your witness evidence that you'll prevent to testify about
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to Congress, which proves that lie. That's right. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm perfectly,
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perfectly willing to testify to Congress about the first hand direct photographic evidence that
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I saw of the crash retrieval of a UFO, which I'm convinced because of the symbols. I know we're not
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part of any nation state on our planet. And that I told this under oath directly to Dr.
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Sean Kirkpatrick as is an official arrow investigative hearing, which we pushed on him
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and and got him to take the testimony and I gave it directly to him. All they had to do is just go
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check the records. Now to your knowledge, were any inquiries made by Arrow as a result of your
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evidence to Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick? What was his reaction when you gave him the evidence?
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He asked me if I could provide to him a copy of the tracings that I had done. And I said that
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I didn't have those anymore. You know that I brought them to Jesuit headquarters. They were in
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the files of the Jesuit headquarters and that as far as I knew that those files, I brought
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some files with me out to California when I came out here to teach at the University of California,
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Santa Barbara. And I don't know whether those that particular yellow pad was in those Jesuit
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files or not, but it's that they aren't there. But he could at least have called as a witness,
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Marcia Smith, who still works as I understand it in a private defense institute. She could have
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been asked and deposed as a witness to see whether or not she was prepared to give evidence to
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corroborate your claim. Sure. And of course they could demand to see that the records
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showed that the project, Blue Book Files, were brought to Washington DC and four different
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security people were assigned to guard them, you know, and they were brought to the Madison
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building right there in the spring of 1977. There has to be clear records of that.
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And look, forgive me for having to challenge you on this, but this isn't some BS story on your part.
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You've actually saying this happened. You were given access quite extraordinarily to direct
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evidence that the United States government is aware of retrieved potentially non-human craft
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flying sources. That's right. That is exactly right. I scratch my head as I think about this because
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it's quite extraordinary. And I remember when I was writing my book, I was I was actually blown away
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by the fact that you'd had this experience because as far as I can see, it's unprecedented.
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Nobody's ever been given access to those secret files before. And as we learned with last week's
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historical review to Congress, the existence of such files is now categorically denied by
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arrow to the Congress. You're saying they're lying. Well, and I also I interviewed Albert Stein,
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a man who worked directly for Project Blue Book on his deathbed. And he gave me great
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details about the program and how they had a whole special unit set up that had to look into
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these 700 cases that they knew perfectly well. They couldn't explain away. And he was directly
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involved in keeping all the records of that. He called me on his deathbed and asked me to fly to see
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him up in Northern Michigan or Minnesota. I've got my records. And he confessed on his deathbed
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about the program going on. And he was he actually was taken to S4 and saw one of the craft
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and told him about it. So, oh, wow, this is interesting. I've never heard this before. So you're
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saying that you were provided with direct witness evidence of the existence of a facility known
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as S4 at Grum Lake, Area 51. That's right. From Albert Stein, who was a guy that worked in
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Project Blue Book for many years on his deathbed. Wow. You know, it's funny, Danny. I mean, like you,
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I mean, I, both of us are talking to people in the legacy reverse engineering and crash retrieval
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program, the program that the Pentagon denies exists. I guess I feel a sense of utility that when
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you've got direct first hand witness evidence like yours, and it's blatantly willfully ignored by
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arrows and investigation. And egregiously, Mr. Representative to Congress, what what hope is there?
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I mean, they're just blatantly lying to the executive arm of government.
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Yes. And to the congressional branch, that's exactly what to do. That is a profound problem
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of the national security state, Ross. The whole the whole national security state apparatus that
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was set up by the National Security Act in 1947 over the course of the past 80 years has basically
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garnered unto itself the authority to lie to Congress, to lie to Congress, to lie to the president,
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to lie to the American people, to undertake full-scale propaganda campaigns, to lie to the people
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of the country. And they got caught doing it. They got caught doing it in the Pentagon papers.
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They got caught doing it in Watergate. They got caught doing it in Iran Contra. In the fact is
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there were one set of hearings, the Senator Frank Church select committee on intelligence abuse hearings,
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where they exposed a lot of that. And they set up the the intelligence committees to try to
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reign this in. And the fact of the matter is that the intelligence committees are not doing their job.
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They need to hold public hearings and have the public testimony presented. So the American people
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know what's happening here and that they need to take further steps to enforce their rules and
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regulations. I just had a conversation with the president, incoming president of the University of
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Washington law school. And she said the way this thing is presenting operating, it's just a question
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who's got more power, you know, whether the national security state has more power than the
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Constitution government, the constitutional government of our country. That's the situation that
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we're faced with here. And that's what's being surfaced here in this UFO issue.
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You know, I think the thing that's extraordinarily significant about what you're telling me Danny
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is a lot of the time I get very frustrated because I can't name the people that I'm speaking to
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who are still in the program. Obviously, David Grush had considerable courage in coming forward.
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But I'd been speaking for a while to people working in the legacy program, actually working on
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recovered non-human technology. And they were telling me this is real. What I find extraordinarily
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important and special about what you're telling me today is that you actually do have first-hand
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witness evidence of the existence of the retrieval program. And you provided it to Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick
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directly, not to one of his flunkies. You provided it directly to him. And yet he has presided
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over a report which you say is committing a fraud on the American public. It is lying to the
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American public about the truth of UAP's crash retrievals and a reverse engineering program.
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Absolutely right. That's exactly what's happening here.
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So what can people do about this? I feel a sense of futility. I know the new paradigm
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institute's got this citizens for disclosure initiative. What are you hoping to achieve through
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citizens for disclosure? What we're going to do, Ross, is we're going to set up these action teams
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in each of the 435 congressional districts and also in each of the 50 states. And we're going to
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have these people contacting their congresspeople and senators to put wind under their wings because
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a vast majority of the only state senators, both Republican and Democratic, want this transmission
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transmitted to them. This being withheld. I'll agree with that actually. As you know, I was in
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Washington a couple of weeks ago and I was privileged to be able to walk the halls of Congress.
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I actually had senators on one occasion grabbing me and saying, you're that guy that did the
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grush interview. Great work. Really want you to know we're in on this. We're really committed.
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And interestingly, these aren't senators who are publicly known to be expressing support for the
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UAP issue. These are people who quietly behind the scenes are now supporting a bipartisan push
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for disclosure. That's right. And one of them is Chuck Schumer, who is the majority leader of the
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Senate. And in fact, by March 20th, there's going to be a major rally out in front of his offices
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in New York City on 47th and 3rd Avenue cheering him on for the fact that he sponsored the Schumer
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bill. That's why we need to cheer them on. And it's not that we've got to browbeat them into doing
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something they don't want to do, but we've got to overcome the resistance of just a tiny handful
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of some of the key chairpersons who are basically in the pocket of the private aerospace industry.
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Danny, I want to wind up here with you, but what I want to come to is the constitutional
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seriousness of what we're talking about here. This is an executive order, one, two, triple three,
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that bans covert action by the intelligence community against the American public with
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willfully misleading media campaigns or influence campaigns. On your direct evidence,
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you're telling me that executive order is being breached and moreover, probably more importantly,
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Congress is being lied to. That's right. What is the constitutional significance? You're a
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constitutional lawyer. You tell me, what's the constitutional significance of what we're talking
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about here? This is an absolute violation of the separation of powers, which is a major
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principle of our United States Constitution. Under Article 1 of the Constitution, our United States
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Congress has the authority for setting rules and regulations, governing the activity of our
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United States military and our intelligence agencies. And so therefore the Congress has the
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authority to pass these rules and laws and they have the authority to pass additional statutes
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imposing punishment for their violation. We have to get them to have them pull out of the
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courage to do that, not just to mild these platitudes about how they shouldn't be doing this,
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or even issuing their own executive orders, telling their people not to do it,
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and then doing nothing about it when they violate it. We need to have the Congress of the United
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States stand up and assert its constitutional obligation of representing us, you know, that
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they're United States Supreme Court cases that say that the president does not have the authority
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to be doing these things in the finance of Congress. In Congress has been telling them over and
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over again that they have to stop doing this and they keep doing it. So the Congress has to step
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forward and put teeth in these orders now in punishments for the people who violate them.
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I don't want to have to keep on bringing lawsuit after lawsuit like we did in the Iran country case,
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you know, to try to enforce the Federal Criminal Racketuring Act against these people, you know,
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so that's what we need to do right now. So we're calling for those public hearings. We have
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people all across the country that are writing letters and sending in communications to their
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Congress people and senators. We have a site at newparadimalsitute.org. All the people have to do
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is go there and put in their zip code and it'll tell them exactly who their senators are and
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their Congress people person is and it'll send a message to them giving them their support
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for holding these public hearings. And you and I know that there are up to 40 people who have
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direct firsthand information about this this program that Sean Patrick and the arrow office
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have lied to the American people about saying there's no evidence of any kind of they're actually
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being such a program that is transparently lying to the people and to Congress because this is
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a report that's been filed to Congress. Danny Sheen, thank you very, very much for that analysis.
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There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. We have a constitutional crisis in America.
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We have a direct threat to the control by Congress of everything that happens inside the US
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government, egregious, flagrant alleged breaches of the US Constitution. A challenge to the whole
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notion of separation of powers. Do Americans give a flying boot? I don't know if they do.
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But Daniel Sheen and his colleagues at New Paradim Institute are going to give it a go.
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He's getting on the saddle yet again for another confrontation with the National Security State.
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And if you'd like to help him, if you'd like to get behind citizens for disclosure,
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get in touch with the New Paradim Institute. This is a very well worth while and well-deserved
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support organization. Give it your support. We need to get to the truth.
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Daniel Sheen, thank you so much, sir. I really appreciate you joining this inaugural episode
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of Reality Check. Thank you so much for your contribution. Thank you, Ross. It's a privilege.
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