Transcript: Ex- Pentagon Official Confirms Alien Language Exists - Lue Elizondo - DEBRIEFED ep. 24

When you calculate the speed that this thing goes by, by the way, it was bigger than the offshore oil

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derrickate was passing by. It says to be moving between 450 and 550 knots underwater.

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He reported that they have specific psionic teams taking these things, at least bringing them into

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range to where they can take them down. Is that something that you've been read into in the past?

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What would be another reason other than national security for it to be classified?

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Wow, we were going to set a trap for these things. We knew that having a huge nuclear footprint

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in the middle of the ocean would be irresistible. Have you seen heard or no of any other egg-type

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crafts at A-Tip? Yes. More than one? Oh boy. Have you ever noticed seen heard or heard whispers

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of any type of language or symbols apparent on these craft? Yes. If I show you picture, can you

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confirm or deny? This is an image. This is zoomed in. This is really interesting. When I was at

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the Pentagon, I spent considerable time researching ancient script. You were aware of craft that had

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script on it. That is good. Yeah, it's pretty undeniable at this point. Was it written or engraved

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in these crafts? No, it was engraved. It wasn't written. If you're holding on to that type of

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clear imagery, it really cements the idea that it's a planned dissemination to the public. You got

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to peek behind the curtain. We did not. It involves our own potential religion. It involves life

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and death. It involves why we're here. It involves the questions of the universe. It involves the

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most important things that humanity has ever asked for. And you potentially had one of the closest

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encounters with the answer. This is important. That's what I'm trying to tell people. Don't put

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that responsibility on my show. I'm just like you. I'm not a Messiah, man. That's your set. That is

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my job as a purveyor of the information. How you interpret that and what you think about that.

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Brother, that's on you, not me. Some people's frustration, my guess, is that you have that luxury

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of formulating some type of answer that they would love to formulate themselves. Makes sense? Yeah,

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good point. And there's also a lot of trust me, bro. You're going to get hate, by the way,

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as I promise you, just for having me in your state. I'm aware. I'm aware.

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Having this conversation. For me, this is not only a pursuit for them. This is a pursuit for myself

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as well. I want to know. There have been some people who have made suggestions to conduct

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illegal activities to cover this topic up. And it's going to come out. It's going to come out.

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In a few months, I do a lot of work behind the shadows behind the scenes. Whether it's a new whistle

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blower that maybe I've been aware of for the last few years or the secret project that will

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hopefully blow the lid on a lot of this, you know, whether through a documentary, getting the right

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people to have a conversation. Can you shed any light on what's to be expected in this documentary?

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There's people that are being interviewed that have never come up publicly on this topic.

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That we've not seen on the trailer. We've not seen on trailer.

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Jay Stratton does say, I have seen with my own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings.

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Do you know what he's referring to? Have you yourself seen NHI? Why doesn't the government talk

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about bizarre? 2027's been thrown around. Can you shed a little bit of light on this just so we

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can stop being paranoid or we can start, you know, being paranoid? Let me see if I can thread the

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needle on this. Sure. How can I phrase this in a way that you can answer this? Are you aware of

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more than one type of NHI? Let me see how I can answer this.

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Wow.

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Accuracy is very important.

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What I'm gathering from this is there are potential that some of these NHI might look a lot like us.

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What else you want to know?

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You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of like an interrogation.

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That's kind of what I wanted to be. I call it the skiff. I love it. Obviously not a skiff.

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Too many recording devices here for it to be a skiff. We know that.

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But it wouldn't be the first time you sir have entered a skiff, would it? No, unfortunately.

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This is a lot nicer than a skiff. Is it? People are like, oh, you've been in skiffs in the

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sat-back facilities. I'm like, look, actually, they're really boring. Most of them don't have windows.

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They don't have any electronics. You can't bring anything in there. So, yeah, you can't even play

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like solitaire on your computer, right? So, wow. How's the coffee compared to the skiffs?

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So, I think you probably already know this being Latino. Genetically, there's three things we do

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very well coming out of the room. One is drinking strong coffee. The other one is being able to dance

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salsa and madengate. It's like, it's genetic force. You dance salsa, right?

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And then the third thing, I look more like a weeble wobble out there on the dance floor.

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And then the third thing I probably can't talk about because it's not appropriate. Those are the

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three things that Latinos can do very well. I'll take your word for the last two.

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Yeah, you know, my days of dancing, unfortunately, are over. Once you get older and your knees start

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to fail, you gain a little bit of weight in the places that really aren't very conducive for dancing.

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Yeah, I hear it. I hear it. I'm definitely also absent on the dance floor.

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All right, let's get this started. I'm here with Lu Elisando. Luis Elisando.

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You know, Chris, you can call me Bob Bill Joe. I don't care. My real name is Luis. I hear

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that usually when I'm in trouble with my wife. Okay, gotcha. Most people call me Lu because I look

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like I'm from Iowa. I realize I'm, you know, my family's Cuban. They're like, what?

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You don't look like a Luis. Like I know, I know. But Lu has got a nice ring to it. Yeah, I'll call

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you Lu so that people who are listening know who I'm talking to. Thank you so much for being

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here first of all. For those of you who aren't aware of Lu and what he's done, I highly recommend

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you check out his book, which we got here. We'll be signing a few copies as well and I'll let you

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know later in the episode how you guys can grab them. But if you want to pick one up, there's a

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link below. Lu bestselling author. Eminent was amazing. I read through it and I also listened to the

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audio version. Oh, I'm sorry. You had to deal with that. I tell people I have the silky smooth voice

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of a cement truck hurtling down a, cringing down a country road with no breaks. I think you did a

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great job. I think it also helps sort of personify your story and you can humanize it in a certain

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way that we get to hear it authentically. I always prefer that. I remember listening to communion

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by Whitley Streber and it was him, you know, saying reading his book too and it just conveys I think

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a little bit more of the gravitas of the story when it's a person who's salisonary. I appreciate

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that. But I also want to say thank you for taking the opportunity to speak with me and I also want to

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think even more importantly than you and me is your audience. You know, I think these types of

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interviews are very important because it allows all of us to connect. I mean, obviously not everybody

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listening is right here with us. But I hope they get this sensation that they really are part of

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this conversation. This is we're only having this conversation really because of them. And I think

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it's really important that we recognize the value of, you know, we live in amazing times right now.

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You have the ability now, whereas even just 10 years ago mainstream media, right major,

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major networks like where I live down ABC and CBS and NBC. You have more people tuning into you

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than most of these mainstream outlets. So you have a very important voice and the audience is

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arguably the most important aspect of this, right? These are people that want to hear what you have

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to say week after week and whatnot. And really that's that is why we are where we are today in

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the conversation because this has been a whatever this conversation is. It's really been a it's been

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a grassroots movement. And ultimately it is because of your audience and people like that.

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We are where we are today in the conversation about UAPs. Yeah, well said. And thank you. Thank you

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for for saying that. And I think you know, you I part of the reason people are listening, you know,

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if not to tune into me is definitely to hear from you. And I think right now, especially, you know,

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we've been faced with a lot of news recently in the UAP space specifically. And you know, it's been

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it's been snowballing ever since the latest congressional hearing, which obviously you were a big

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part of. And you attended phone obviously. I did attend. Yeah, it was kind of surreal for myself. I

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did have, you know, an immense amount of imposter syndrome being a Canadian magician content creator

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sitting in the front row, you know, core side seats to to something so monumental is, I mean, humbling.

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Of the 366 sightings included in the report, 171 remain uncharacterized. And many high ranking

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individuals in the military and intelligence communities leave UAPs demand greater attention.

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Are contractors are they pulling technology from this? Are they are the reverse engineering

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and the other end of the world? But more importantly, after that, you know, it's these these congressional

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hearings are very important. But arguably what's more important, it's what they do with that information.

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And where that sort of, you know, I'm sure you sick of hearing this, but where that moves the needle.

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And I think recently, you know, we've had a lot of people come forward numerous people have come

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forward to share their stories as well in hopes to move the needle. And so today, I've got a lot

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of questions that I'm hoping that we can get through. And you've been and I got to say for the audience

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listing. And by the way, if I'm ever looking over here, it's just to make sure everything's recording

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because I'm a one-man team here. If you ever see me looking like this because I'm looking over my

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shoulder and looking over my back, paranoia. Yeah, that's good. We're safe here. But one thing I did

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want to mention was that Lou, prior to the interview, said something very important. I think

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that a lot of people should know. And this is not something that's usually recorded. But Lou said,

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I don't want to read your questions before. You don't have to cut anything out. Ask me anything you

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want. And if I don't answer something, I'll tell you why it is I can't answer it. And I think that's

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just so important that you respect the journalistic integrity to that extent, especially after being put

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through ringer, after ringer podcasts, after podcasts and being grilled on things that you

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legally can't talk about. I think it just goes to show some level of character there. And I think a

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lot of people would omit that in an interview. They wouldn't they wouldn't allow that. They would

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want to have final say. They would want certain boundaries to be put on, especially in the

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position that you're in. Well, that's because they're trying to protect themselves. And in reality,

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this conversation is much bigger than anyone person. And this is what I've said over and over

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again to people. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow and disclosure, this transparency effort that we're

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all in part of must go on. The show must go on. And so my part of this is very simple. Speak the

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truth. Whatever that truth is, speak the truth and let the ships fall where they fall. And I think

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it's important from a journalistic integrity perspective that that be maintained and preserved

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at all costs. And this is why I've always made it a rule. Say, look, you're not going to pay me

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to do anything like this. You know, great if you pay my hotel. That's great. You know, but other than

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that, I don't get payment for this. You're like, oh, you're making all these money. He's doing the,

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no, I'm not. I'm actually doing it for free. I'm actually leaving work aside to come out and have

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these types of conversations where I don't get paid. And then also having questions that are a lot

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of people want to know ahead of way and ask me, you're going to ask me any trick questions. You know

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what to hell with that? I don't care. Ask me whatever you want. And if I don't know, I don't know.

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I don't tell you that honestly, or if I can't tell you, I'll tell you that too. And I think that's

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that this topic demands that type of I cannot in good faith demand transparency from the United

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States government. If I myself am not willing to be transparent, right? It's a typical. You can't

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eat. It doesn't work that way. So fair point. And I appreciate that. And I'm sure my audience is

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going to appreciate that as well. So for the next few hours, folks, drive yourselves in.

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We're going to try to get through these questions. And hopefully, you know, get some answers for those

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of you, you know, seeking some answers. Let me start off. Let me just start off by asking a question

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a little bit off target here. But are you familiar or have you been familiar in the past with any

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forechan or Reddit leaks? Quote unquote. I am familiar tangentially with the forms of forechan

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and also Reddit. I am not a subscriber. And that's not a good or bad thing. I'm not necessarily,

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you know, poo pooing it or promoting it. Because my bandwidth is very limited. Also, I'm an older

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guy. This is graying up a lot. Yeah. So I'm a little dude. I'm not overly technically proficient.

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As most people tell you, especially in a wife, you know, when people are using scientific

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calculators, I'm still using an abacus. I'm an older generation. So more than the typical social

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media engagement now, if it involves Reddit or forechan, it's beyond me. But I am aware that

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sometimes information comes out. Yeah. That can be very interesting. And you say that can be

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very interesting. Has there been a time where you're like, Oh, damn, that guy slipped up. He shouldn't

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have said that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But you know what? At the end of the day, look, I think,

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I think sunlight is the best antiseptic sometimes. I think it's the best way to get rid of an

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infection. Sure. And so I've never proposed or never supported the idea of leaking anything,

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anything classified. Okay. I am a patriot. I still have my security clearance. And I will never

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support the leaking of classified information. But there's a difference between information that

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is classified for righteous and legal purposes, right, to protect sources of methods and whatnot.

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And then there is the abuse of that system where people will classify things simply because they're

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trying to hide or cover malfeasance over compartment or embarrassment, right? And that's a

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problem because that information shouldn't be classified. And it's being classified in an

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illegal manner. There are very specific prohibitions because in the past, my country has abused the

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classification system to hide the truth from the American people, whether it's around contra and

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all of our North, even recently might some of my work in in Guantanamo Bay and maybe some of the

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methods used to get information from individuals. And there was no reason that should have been

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classified. The only reason why they classified some of that was because we're embarrassed. We didn't

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we didn't want to admit what we were doing and how we were doing it. And so in those cases,

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when that information comes to to the public's attention, I'm okay with that provided they're not

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violating any laws of real classification, right? If information is classified illegally, then that

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really isn't classified. So when it comes to the UAP subject, what would be another reason other

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than national security for it to be classified? Wow. So okay, great question, but it's not a

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simple question. It's not a simple answer either. It's multifaceted, a bit like a diamond really.

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And so you have to in order to understand this topic, you need to understand a little bit about

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the history and where our country was in the state of the world at the time, right? So really the UAP

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topic for the United States government really started to kick into high gear right around the end

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of World War II and and the development of the atomic bomb for our country. That's what we really

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started noticing and increased frequency of UAP interest in our capabilities. Now where were we

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at the end of World War II? Well, the US had just become really a global superpower and had the

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opportunity to dominate a lot of the world politics for for about 10 years. That was until the

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Russians very quickly afterwards developed the atomic bomb too, right? So now now it's no longer

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US preeminence. Now there's this competition and what begins the Cold War, which by the way,

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most people don't realize wasn't really a Cold War at all. It's pretty hot. We had proxy wars going

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all over the place, whether it's Korean war and Vietnam and things like that. And it was kind of this

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winter takes all chess game. Now you have a beautiful chess set here. Your audience can't see it,

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but you can imagine this this Cold War is being an invisible chess match with the Russians. And

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you have the United States on one side, a NATO, you had the Warsaw pack and and and then Soviet Union

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on the other side. And it was kind of this winter takes all mentality. And so what we didn't want to

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do was broadcast to our enemies or our adversaries at the time that we were dealing with this UAP topic.

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We didn't want to let them know what we knew about it. And more importantly, what we didn't know,

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were those intelligence gaps late. And furthermore, the Soviet Union felt the same way. But we both

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understood each other enough to realize that in the 60s, when we started to develop really the

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northern tier radar systems, early warning system for nuclear attack, both the Soviet Union and the

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United States realized that, hey, we better come to the table at least a little bit on this. Because

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what we don't want to do is set up these radar systems, very sophisticated radar systems. And then

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all of a sudden a UAP is is is picked up by one of these radar systems, either ours or the Russians.

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And all of us need to be could get confused for some sort of nuclear strike or nuclear attack, right?

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So so there was enough, I think wisdom there where the United States and Russia in a in a secret

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memo in one of the paragraphs, they actually say, look, if you happen to see something before you

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press that nuke button, do us a favor, give us a call because it might be a UFO. And we don't want

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to start World War III because either one of us, you know, confused us as some sort of provocation.

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And then you have the other issue during the 50s and the 60s and the nuclear age, nuclear

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family in the United States. Our government was dealing with a lot of things. We were dealing with

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civil rights, right? We were dealing with equity issues with between between genders. We were

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dealing with anti-war movement with Vietnam and even before that. And you had the you had also had

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the hippie movement, which was really, you know, kind of this this anti-establishment effort,

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just kind of can't we all love each other anti-war. And so the government was dealing with a lot of

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stuff. And they were concerned that this topic, the UAP topic was a destabilizing conversation,

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meaning all that's going to do is add fuel to the fire and add mistrust to the American public,

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especially once you start, you know, lying for decades, you have to double down on that.

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Because if you don't, what happens is you tell the American people out, which is folding you guys,

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yeah, we've been actually monitoring these things. We just didn't want to tell you. That doesn't

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that doesn't hold very much water, especially if you're a government bureaucrat or a leader. So

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what do you do? Say, well, I mean, shelved this. We'll have this conversation later.

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Meanwhile, let's see if we can deal with this topic in a secret manner. Okay. So sort of interrupt,

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are you saying that the subject is being classified under the disguise of national security?

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Well, it was. That's part of the problem. And we had backed ourselves in a corner for decades.

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Now came a point where, okay, these things, everybody's beginning to see them. How do we deal with

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this? Do we come out and let the cat on the bag? Or do we simply try to suppress this information and

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maybe deal with it down the road? And so you had the US government involved in the collection of

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UAP data, but lying to the American people. And for, you know, look, there's maybe some valid

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reasons there. I don't agree with them, but I can understand them. Some of them was like, look,

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we need more time to understand and figure this out. Also, there were some studies done,

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commissioned by the US government, that the results were very simple. Look, this is a destabilizing

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conversation. If you tell the truth to the American people, you risk literally potentially the

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collapse of civil society. People going to do runs on banks are going to panic. They're going to

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lose their faith in their religions or, you know, why, why do the normal stuff that they normally do

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and pay your mortgages and whatnot? When there's this other topic out here that is potentially,

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existential. It's really only where I know how to use really because it's something beyond.

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And when people put their faith and and and confident in a government, the biggest vulnerability

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to any government institution organization is when the people, the masses, lose faith and confidence.

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So this is true with any government, not just the United States, any government. This is,

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this is how they survive and religions as well. So you can't afford to lose that. If people turn

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around and realize you've been lying to me for all these years, well, you know, we already don't trust

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the government. Now we're really not going to trust the government. Oh, by the way, you want us to

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fight these wars and you want us to do this and do that and do this and pay taxes and whatnot.

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So I think the mindset at the time was much different. We had this cold war with the Soviet Union.

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And we weren't prepared as a nation to have the conversation at the time.

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Do you think that then that's part of the problem is them, you know, admitting that this is real

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is also them admitting to the cover up. Yeah. Well, you have to, right? You have to say, well,

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yeah, actually, we admit that this is real and it's been going on for decades. And then what

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happens? People say, well, why did you lie about it? What about those people who told the truth?

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And now all of a sudden, they lost their jobs and lost its security clearances. Maybe they got

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a divorce, maybe now they're homeless living on this street because of all that. But isn't the,

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isn't the worst outcome of the two that we discover it's real and call them liars,

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then to them, fess up? I think that time has come. We have to have this conversation. I've always

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said that that secrets, a lot of people think secrets are like fine wine, where the longer you keep

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a cork on it, the better it gets. I disagree with that. I've always said that secrets are perishable.

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They have a shelf life. They're like vegetables in your refrigerator. They'll stay good for a while.

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But if they stay, if they outlive their shelf life, they begin to rot and they begin to stink.

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And now you've got a bigger problem on your hand because now you got to clean up the mess.

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And so I think that therein lies part of the conundrum that we've been keeping this information

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suppressed for way too long. My government at least now realizes that it's it's probably time to

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have the conversation because it's only going to get worse. The longer we can look at the JFK

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files, right? The right now in the United States, the amount of faith and confidence we have in our

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government is at an all time low. That's a fact. They don't trust their government. And that's a

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problem. And the longer you hold on to the ghost, the worse it's going to be, you're going to have to

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pay that paper and interest, right? That compounding interest will eventually be more than the loan

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itself. Right. And so I think the time has come. And I think some people now there's a critical

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mass within my government that recognizes that we now really, really, really have to be open and

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honest with the American people. We're at an apotheosis of the UAP subject. Very interesting.

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I mean, there's okay. I mean, I'm going to jump all over the place a little bit here with

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these questions. So be prepared from hitting different angles. Got it. Going back to the

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forechand stuff, I myself had a deep dive into a lot of this stuff because I thought it was really

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interesting. And I read through a lot of those back and forth AMAs or Q&As they had on those

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different platforms with my audience. And there was one that stood out to me in particular because

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it related to something that you had touched on previously in a podcast in the past. And we're

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talking about a giant submerged UFO. Okay. This particular forechand leaker said that he worked

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on a team that was looking into what he called an MCU, a mobile construction unit that was in the

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ocean in the Atlantic Ocean that builds these UAPs and sends them out and that they come in and

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out of this mobile construction unit. That's massive. That's in the ocean and that moves very

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rapidly. He said he goes on to say the down crafts were recovered and that these crafts were built

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to spec in his opinion. They were built exactly for the things that they had to do the jobs that

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they had to do. And it would seem so to the beings inhabiting or maneuvering these crafts.

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My question is you've talked about this video that exists of this giant craft moving very rapidly

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underwater. Is there a possible connection to this forechand leaker? I mean, we can't say there's not,

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you know, all I can tell you is what we know. I can't tell you what we don't know. You know,

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that old saying we don't know what we don't know. What I can say is that without getting in trouble

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myself, that it wasn't just me. A lot of people in the US government have seen this video. So it is real.

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Let me set the stage for you if I can. So in the late 1990s, there was this effort by the US

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government. We would test our cruise missiles technology and particularly in the Caribbean when I

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was there at Puerto Rico, we would every so often we would launch these cruise missiles over the ocean

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in an area that was predetermined in a no boats or a traffic. And then when they would run out of fuel,

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they'd hit the water splash down and then they would sink. And then at a predetermined time,

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they would blow their ballast. They would rise to the top of the surface and then helicopter

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crew would be dispatched to go recover them, bring them back to the Navy base and they would be

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cracked open and exploited. Meaning they would test for the telemetry and the fuel consumption and did

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the missile operate the way it was supposed to operate. Now most people know that Tom Hock cruise

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missiles, some can be modified to carry nuclear payload. That's been one of the advantages of

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these cruise missiles. And so there's a helicopter crew. I won't say the person's name because

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they haven't given me permission to say their name, but they're legit. They're real helicopter pilot.

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And you had so much of that helicopter crew, you've got the pilot, the co-pilot, a crew chief in the

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back and you got a Navy frogman dangling from a line and they're going to, you know, as he's

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going down the line, he's going to, he's going to put a hook on the missile, the deployments palace

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and fly back. And as this frogman is dangling down the line, the helo crew notices and the frogman,

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something black. The water begins to churn and something black and around. As described to me,

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something black is a devil and the size of a small island. So submarines are linear, right? They

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look like you're pen there. They're kind of long and skinny and like a tube, almost like a toilet

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paper tube. This was this was cylinder round, this shape begins to come to the surface. Now you

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understand that the trench of Puerto Rico is the second deepest part of our ocean. It's only second

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to challenge your deep, right? Which is part of the Marianist trench. I think it's like 22,000 feet

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deep, right? So the height that some commercial aircraft flight, this is how deep that water is.

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So there's nothing really out there. This thing begins to rise to the surface of the water,

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the water's churning, the helo crew goes into a panic. The frogman is literally trying to climb

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the line back up because he's scared like hell and I get it. And right as this thing is about to

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break the surface, the missile gets sucked under water and then the whole thing disappears.

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And the helo crew goes back and that missile to this day remains unaccounted for this cruise missile.

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Very shocking to the air crew, try explaining that to your leadership of what happened.

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Is this some sort of Soviet technology? Is it something else? Is it our technology? What the

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hell took our missile? Where did it go? How did it get there? How did it is able to come up and

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and steal our, steal our cruise missile? And several years ago, I have to be careful of the

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capacity. I say this in, but there was a very, very, very classified video. Now the fact that the

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video exists isn't classified. Where it was taken, how it was taken, the methods very sensitive.

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So I won't go into that. But it's very clear we had a capability where we're looking down into the water.

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And there were these offshore oil wells, right? So these are huge platforms like think of

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British petroleum and some of these other folks out of these huge massive structures out in the

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middle of the water or the ocean, right? They're just like the size of a small city. If you've ever

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seen one of these, they have helicopter pads and buildings and hospitals and they're on the middle

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of the ocean, they're huge. And in this video, very, very clear. There's a still of the water

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churning. And then there is the video of this perfectly round disc shape object, black,

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whizzing past one of these things under water. Now there's no waves, there's no disturbance on

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the top of the water other than the still of this water kind of looks kind of roiling if you will

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in the very beginning. But when you calculate the speed that this thing goes by, by the way,

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it was bigger than the offshore oil derrick. It was passing by. It was bigger than that. It's

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diameter, the diameter of the circle was bigger. And it was assessed to be moving between 415

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and 550 knots underwater. Now imagine that for a minute. Do we are there technologies out there

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that move very fast? Yeah, we know the Russians have the supercavitational torpedo and they've

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have capabilities. But to have an object that big where you're talking, you know, tremendous

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enforcers. No, no, no, no, right. Huge, whizzing by one of these offshore oil derrick at phenomenal

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speed. That's a technology that we don't have. And that is extremely, extremely compelling when

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you see it, you realize, whoa, what the heck is that? This first encounter, I think was voiced by

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Graves in the past. Was it Ryan Graves or Fraver? One of the two had talked about this encounter

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where they went to go get Fraver. One of his buddies that we know is their footage of that encounter.

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I haven't seen it. But there has to be because if it's a helicopter, probably has some type of

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weapons. You know, back in the 90s, not necessarily. You mean, you would want to document your

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recovery missions. But if something really routine, you're not always going to have a camera on

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there simply because it's routine, right? You've done this a hundred times. It's just the 101st

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time you're doing it. But it's possible. Oh, it's possible. Sure. Absolutely. But I can certainly ask

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the pilot. I mean, I know the pilot. I can certainly ask you. Secondly, the other object. Have you

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seen this video? Which one? The one whizzing past? Yeah. It's on myself. By the way, my colleagues did

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too. Was when I was, what was your reaction in the room? What was the reaction like watching that

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video for the first time? Not what you might think because we have seen so many videos of UAP that at

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this point, it was just added to, to, yeah, but this one's in the water. That is what made it,

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for me, that is what what probably put this up a little bit in the, in the, wow, what the heck is

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that? We had heard about usos before. We never really had any direct evidence other than sonar

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pings from submarines and, and Navy captains and, you know, anecdotal information like that. This

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is the first time that we saw one on camera. Yeah. So it was kind of like, wow, but also keep in

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mind. We've been so saturated for so long on this topic when I was working it in the Pentagon and

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my colleagues that you must kind of become desensitized. I know it sounds weird. I understand that.

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As someone who, you know, knows how magic tricks work, I get to see methods all the time. I've

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seen things that other, which by the way, you are one hell of a magician. I never really appreciated

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the trade until I saw you do some of the stuff you do that's, that's pretty incredible. Thank you.

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I appreciate that. I'll show you, I'll show you some more stuff a little later. Secondly,

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you said this object was round. How did you have that perspective? Was this a satellite footage?

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I can't say the, the source member sources of methods are very sensitive, but let's just say we had

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the fidelity enough where it was very, very clear what was going on. But I mean, if it's round.

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Yeah, it's wrapped. Okay. So you had the top down view of it. It was a top down view. Okay.

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Well, anything more than I probably can't talk. Sure. Now, my hope is at some point it might

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become public. Yeah. They'll have to strip up metadata and maybe some other things there because

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people on the internet give a very clever and they look at figure things out. Absolutely. Leave it

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to them. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's crazy. And you know what? I think that's great.

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It is. There's several times that I've actually been corrected for the record by a bunch of

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internet sleuths. Yeah. So I think it's fantastic. I actually welcomed that. We need more of that.

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Oh, that's, that's the whole point of the internet. Last, last thing I want to touch on on this particular

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thing is footage the only intel you have here or do you have corroborating data with this,

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but with this specific sighting you have rate, you have sonar, you have radar, you have,

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do you have other corroborating intel or is it simply just this foot? Unfortunately, I can't go into

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detail because in this shows the type of capability we have in certain areas. Can you say yes, we have

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other intel? We have other intel. I can't say the type of intel. Sure, but you could say there

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is other corroborating information. Yeah. No, we had teams of very, very specialized analysts

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with T.S. Clarence. This is not private. This is by the way, government. This is still in the

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possession of government, government people analyzing more than more than two points of data.

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I probably can't talk about that right now. Okay. I know it's frustrating to leave you.

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I know your audience is like, what the hell? Why can't you just say that? No, but I mean,

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just saying that, you know, gives us some type of idea because you might, people can extrapolate,

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you know, the more sensor data you have in a place, the more of an interest it is for us.

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Chances are it's more of a hostile environment. Do you mean intel? Again, I really can't go

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into that path. I had to ask. Yep. Okay. So we're talking about this underwater stuff. First of all,

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to me, this is really interesting because if we're talking about the type of propulsion or the

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type of capability that these crafts are using, technically from what we're seeing in the skies,

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it wouldn't matter whether they're in the water or not. Right. That's what some of the scientists

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have speculated. Look, the medium in which it's traveling is irrelevant. If you understand physics,

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you understand technology, then you understand that sometimes the medium you're maneuvering in

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is rather irrelevant, including physical, potentially, potentially. So potentially these

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crafts can go through mountains. Potentially. You know, again, I'm not a trained physicist. I took

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physics in college. You'd have to ask some of the smart folks in the intelligence community who've

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kind of come up with some of these scientific models. What I will say, though, is that for the

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purposes of this discussion, we can't forget the simple fact that something less than 15% of the

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ocean floor has been mapped. Meaning we know more about the surface of the moon than we do what's

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in our own oceans. And let's not forget, my generation, I remember this. I remember the notion

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of giant cracking in the ocean and sea monsters as being silly and oh, you know, this is all just

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wives' tales. And it wasn't until we actually had proved positive the giant squid of the Pacific

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that there are giant crackin, right? It just turns out that these aren't sea monsters or part of

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nature and our normal paradigm or normal reality in which we live in. So, you know, we're always

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learning something new about what could be and what is in our natural environment. And the ocean

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is certainly no exception. Is it possible that there's something down there that's been speculated

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sure? And is it possible? Yeah, sure. And you've seen it, man. Yeah, I mean, we've seen things in the

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water and, you know, we know that we're so the Navy had a program for a long time. So the Air Force

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had something called the Fast Walker program. Yeah, and I can talk about that. It's been declassified.

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The DSO office had this effort to try to track things from space and one of the things was

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you thought, I just believe it or not. The Navy had something similar and they called the Fast

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Mover program. And they would pick up information. They would pick up data in some cases,

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zone our returns of things that are moving them very, very high velocity almost seems to be

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stalking or or trailing the submarine only to pass by the submarine very, very fast and then

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disappear. Tim Gallaudet mentions this. Tim does. And not only Tim, a lot of folks do.

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In Naval intelligence. Absolutely. Yes, sir. Do you think Naval intelligence has more

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intel on the UAP subject than than a lot of these other intelligence groups? I think they've

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been more forthcoming. I'm not sure they're being more and from I think they've been more forthcoming.

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I'll tell you I talked to a Navy captain of a boomer sub. And he was telling me the story,

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how they were picking up on on sonar and object moving, 450 knots underwater, which is really fast.

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It's insanely fast. And he said it was bigger than than us. It was bigger than a Boomer class

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submarine that they're on, right? And so I asked him and I feel kind of silly, but I'll share this

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with you because it's true. I said, kind of an amazing, what'd you do? And he looked at that

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straight face. He said, we went around it. Okay. I can see that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Makes sense.

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It's dumb question, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. You avoid it. Is there are there current discussions

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about the possibility of at least some of the NHI slash UAP phenomenon being artificial intelligence?

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Well, I don't think we can rule it out. Have you seen any evidence that might suspect that

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that is the case? Like there is some type of AI controlling these things? No, my background,

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but let me caveat here. My focus was more on nuts and bolts of craft. It wasn't really with the

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occupants or other folks overlooking at that. But let me also give you a very real example of why

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it's not far fetched. Right now we have the capability. You could put a helmet on

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and we can fly drones remotely using a helmet using our thought patterns. There was a gentleman

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probably earlier this year who gained some significant notoriety. He was a quadriplegic and

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they decided to give him an implant that allows him to play a video game in this particular case.

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I think it was Call of Duty. And just using his brain and his thought patterns and it turned out

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that he wanted to be almost better than just about any gamer out there because that interface

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was instant. So we are already using technical means to manipulate matter. Now, taking away

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the spookiness of it and telekinesis, no, it's technology. Not telekinesis technology. It's

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simply the ability to interpret brain waves in a certain way in electrical signals,

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neural electrical signals and biometric signals and translate that into an action using technology.

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So we as a simple species are already doing that. So does it make sense that in the future,

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not only our own species, but anybody else who is technologically proficient would do the same.

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I mean, it's clearly a more efficient way of doing things. By the time the signal goes from the

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brain, down through the muscles and then crosses the response and a reaction, there's a delay there.

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That's not really a fish and isn't. And also the signals can be misinterpreted. Right. So it makes

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sense to have that type of technical interface. And we are already doing it in a species. Now,

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you get into the artificial intelligence aspect of it. Can NHI somehow could it be some sort of

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form of artificial intelligence? Because it could potentially predict what you're doing if it

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already has information on what you've done. Right. Absolutely. And so, you know, if you look in

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a commander-fraver's case where this tic-tac object sort of got anticipated almost to his

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waypoint, you know, part of that could be, oh, it can read the future, but part of that is it's

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just really good at mapping out the past. Right. Or exploiting the data systems on board the aircraft

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as well. Right. So there's options. I think artificial intelligence is a brave new world for us.

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Because for the first time, we may be on the verge of creating true sentience, but not biological.

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Based upon silicon and not carbon, right, based upon bond electricity and not the biometric

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processes in the human brain. So artificial intelligence is anything's almost possible.

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Because we're just now beginning to scratch a surface on what it can do. And we've already seen

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some of those capabilities, which are very compelling, which can be disturbing for some people,

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because that brings another question of like really free will and fate, right, which is really

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uncomfortable as a species for us to consider. Because most of us look at life and say, well,

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I've got a series of choices. You don't know what I'm going to what choice I'm going to make ahead

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of time unless you're like you who's a magician, right? You kind of already know that to some degree.

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Because you set the stage, you set the environment where only one choice is possible, right? But

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they think it's free will. That's very concerning for a lot of people, because we don't like that idea

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that we're not in control of ourselves in our environment. And so when you talk about artificial

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intelligence and the capabilities of it, that's something we're going to have to deal with in the

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very near future, because maybe we're not as free will as we... It's also something as an intelligence

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you'll have to exploit, right? Because... Oh, we have to. Yeah, you have to. Because the enemy's doing

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that's right. So we have to. The adversary is doing it and they're doing it quite well. So we need

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to, as we need to do that, we also need to figure out a way to defend ourselves also from artificial

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intelligence and how to, which is very fascinating to me, if artificial intelligence has a 99%

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certainty of something happening because it's done all the calculations and algorithms and

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looking at our previous behavior patterns or whatnot, then is there a way to spoof? Is there a way

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to circumvent that? Is there a way to do something that artificial intelligence hasn't predicted yet?

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Because that's how you're going to survive. Because an adversary knows your next move on a chess

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board and knows how to win the game and put you in checkmate, then you got to figure out a way where

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they don't know what your next move is, right? And so that's kind of the situation we're in now with.

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Yeah, I think the best way would be to make them think you're playing chess.

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That's right. So, well, this is really interesting. It leads me to also understand because,

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you know, you said you're tracking nuts and bolts. This is part of what you were doing. Before

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I ask this next question, I also just want to ask, are there more videos of submerged vehicles

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out there that you guys have access to? Well, is there more evidence information? Yes.

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So, video is something very difficult when you talk about underwater. Sure, but you have more data.

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A lot more data. A lot more than yes, there's some video evidence, but underwater is much more

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difficult than in the atmosphere. Right. Because water will affect the electromagnetic spectrum

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a little bit differently, especially the electro obstacles. So we don't see that's why we use sonar,

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where you sound waves instead of radar under the ocean because sound waves travel very well,

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whereas electromagnetic signals much, much more different. So, it's not you're not using the same

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tools to quote unquote see something underwater. You're using technical equipment to give you a

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site picture of what's there, but you're not actually physically seeing it. You don't have a photon

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of light bouncing off something coming back into your eye and then your camera lens and interpreting

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that data because light doesn't travel. Look, if you've ever been any of your folks out there,

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your audience or scuba divers know this, once you get past 300 feet underwater, it's virtually dark.

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You can't see anything. Light stops. Now, there's some animals and fish that have very sense

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and eyes and they can see much, much deeper, but for the most part, the human eye is restricted because

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light waves and photon of light eventually get absorbed by the water. So it doesn't travel as far

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as it would like when you look at the horizon, it's maybe 11 miles away. Under water, your horizon is

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maybe a couple hundred feet. But that sonar information can be just as valuable.

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Oh, yes. That sonar data revealing can be high fidelity, like a incredible fidelity.

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Are there reports of these giant craft down there that you've sort of speculated that the

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information is pointed to that these things might be massive down there? Well, we've heard already

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from Tim Galli-Det, and Galli-Det, right? These things have been a mystery for the Navy for some time.

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And you don't have to even look at the United States Navy. You can go back. There's anecdotal

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information even by some of the great explorers hundreds of years ago. Yeah, Columbus. That's right.

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That's right. That that experienced strange things under the water. I spoke to some civilian

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fishermen in Mexico when I was down there off the coast of Ensenada, kind of between the little island

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there called Jalelube Island, Isla Jalelube and Ensenada. And they report these luminous

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objects, these balls of light all the time under the water and sometimes even pop out of the

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water and then fly away. And so this is not, and these are people who have no interest in being

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sensational. In fact, they love their privacy. They don't even want to be they don't even want to be

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associated publicly with this. But they've experienced this. And there's there's logbooks of other

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seafaring captains and people who've reported very similar experiences going back centuries.

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Is that does that make it a place of interest for the government?

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Well, it should. But no. So government's interest typically is from a national security perspective.

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Meaning how do we protect our people and how do we maintain a strategic advantage over our adversaries?

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Anything that is, and this is one of the people who always ask me, well,

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how much research did you do into UFOs when you're at A-Tip and historical stuff? Did you talk to

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this? Did you talk to this? You followed just no, I didn't. Because really when you're talking to

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a three or four star general, they don't care what happened in the 1950s or 1960s. They want to

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know what happened yesterday, right? And so you, you're really kind of narrowly focusing on the

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incidents that involve military equities. And as they're happening now, if you go to a general

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and say, well, here's a report from 1966, they're going to say, what the hell are you showing me?

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That's where I don't care. Sure. You know, I want to know what happened yesterday. And so

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their focus is on the here and now. But I think that's part of a mistake because I don't think you

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can get an accurate understanding of the here and now unless you understand a little bit about

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the past and realize that there's paddle cabins and intelligence officer, we're all about patterns.

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Kind of like magicians, right? There's there's there's certain predictive patterns. And if you

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understand those patterns like putting together a puzzle, you can figure the puzzle out. And that's

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why it's so important that we do take a historic look at this. Now, some of the information is going

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to be bonkers junk, but some of it may be very, very telling. And most of it happens over water,

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it seems. Yes, water and also this is two really interesting patterns that we've seen over

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over time. One is there's an interest in our our military capabilities and our nuclear

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nuclear capabilities and technology and also large bodies of water. There seems to be an

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overwhelming number of UAP sightings in and around bodies of water, which kind of answered the

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question you asked me about the Navy. Are they most proactive? Are they seeing the most?

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No, but they're on the water the most, aren't they? Right? And so what else do you have? Well,

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you've got let's say the USS Nimitz or USS Roseville. That is a huge nuclear footprint. In fact,

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in some cases, that's a lot when that fleet goes out with the with the nuclear carrier and nuclear

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submarines and other nuclear powered boats with potential nuclear weapons and other technology,

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that's a bigger footprint than the entire state of New York from a nuclear perspective. And you're

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on the water, which is why we early on in the Pentagon set up this operation interloper, which I

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can now talk about. Pentagon's giving me permission to do it, where we were going to set a trap

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for these things. We knew that having a huge nuclear footprint in the middle of the ocean would

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be irresistible to these UAP because we had we had experienced it so much. So the idea was to set a

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trap set up a now when I say trap, you're going to say, I'm going to go down a lure. Right. And we had

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we had the intelligence community approval and joint staff to do this. The approval from the joint

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staff. So this was a very, very comprehensive effort that we were we were proposing and was

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almost unanimously accepted because they were seeing the same issues we were seeing at a tip.

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So we were going to create this this lure and unfortunately at the last minute they pulled the plug.

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They pulled the plug on the project on the project. Yeah, it was called project. It was called

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O'Plan Interloper. I mean, there has been rumors that the government hasn't been too shy about

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creating these type of lures in the past to attract an HI activity to attract UAP activity.

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Namely, now this goes into a lot of what Jake Barber talked about. Now, you know, before we had

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psychics, now it's psionics before it was UFOs, now it's UAP before it was an HI,

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now before it was extraterrestrial, now it's an HI. It's all these these other terms. Right.

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But all three of these terms were used by Mr. Barber in his recent three-hour podcast with

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Ross Kultard. And I wanted to get into that a little bit because I think you've already touched

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on it and had said that these these objects that he's describing these egg-like objects are not

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they're not these weather balloons are not ours and they're not ours.

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He reported that they have specific psionic teams taking these things or at least bringing them

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into range to where they can take them down. Is that something that you've been read into in the

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past? Have you been read to any of these programs regarding psionics? So let's let's break it down. I

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think for the purposes of your listener what psionics means. Sure. Because you obviously know what it

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means but but the word psionics is something that is not it's not a general term. The sci-fi term.

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Right. It's a sci-fi term. So psionics comes from the base word of psychic.

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Sci-psychology, psychic, whatever. And we're dealing with the brain. And potentially

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human cognition and things like that. There is some speculation. Remember we talked about

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technical interfaces with brainwaves right so that technology already exists. If you were a

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super sophisticated society would it make sense to create technology that you could potentially

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interface with manipulate work with using brainwave functions instead of necessarily you know

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wasting the time for the signal to go down to the hand and make you know make a movement which by

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the way is not very precise. I think there's an argument to say for that. Has then you have to

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ask a question. Has US government in the past been involved with psionic type research or psychic

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research? And the answer is again a definitive yes. Of course. Now note through programs like

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Stargate and Grillflame before that. That's the other land. That's right. That the US

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government and her adversaries have had a long and deep rich history in doing using psychic research

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and using it for the purposes of espionage and clutch of data. That's a fact. Anybody can

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look that up and it was actually very very successful. Then you have to ask the question well fine

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but do we really accept that now in society? The answer again is a definitive yes. Look at a lot

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of local police force will employ psychics and by the way to a great deal of of effect they've

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actually solved murderers and found bodies using psychics right now. People can put all their

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long the bottom line is it works. Now how it works maybe a different story and we can you know debate

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that all day long but the bottom line is proof is in the pudding. Statistically there is something

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there whatever that means and however it works. So that's already we've read across that bridge. We

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don't have to argue that that that it is what it is. So is it possible now to your question specific

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question is it possible that the US government employed certain individuals who had a predisposition

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to some of this phenomena psychic phenomena whether you call it remote viewing or channeling or

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psychic or what you can use your name to shore to try to interface with or communicate with a

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non-human intelligence. Well I think it'd be foolish to assume that we didn't or we wouldn't

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given that our our previous history in human cognition. The question is have you

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has the government found success in there? I can't answer that. I don't know. I'm not surprised

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that the allegations are there because certainly if I had unlimited budget and I was in charge I would

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try throwing everything at it trying to figure out how it works. And people say well that's a bunch

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of who you and say look here the bottom line is you know how we tell if people are dead or not in

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the hospital brainwave functions. Sure and when there's no brainwave function people are presumed

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to be dead. Now what is brainwave function? Now some can argue say well they're actually still alive

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yeah yeah yeah maybe but let's argument say we use brainwave function to determine if a human

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being is still alive or not and braveway brain to detect brainwave function is nothing more than

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electrical process going on in the brain and we have technology that can detect it and actually say

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yes there's higher functioning of the brain or know this person to the vegetative state very

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little chance are going to come back that part of the brain is shut down. And how do we know that

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because we have technical equipment that can detect it we know that that's a fact and that's

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technology we accept all the time every day. So does it make sense that if that if that is

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real that there is an actual physics behind brainwave function and we can detect it which we do

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does that also apply to something else that may have some sort of brain or higher brain function

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and can we is there a way to interface with their form of brainwave function and therefore

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setting up tests where you could have people try to to if you will interface or in some

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somehow have been alleged that there's some sort of conjuring capability there I don't know

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that to be fact I know there's a lot of people out in yeah or or high jacking. High jacking right

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you know it's certainly very interesting and there was even in a Russian something called

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psychotronic so I'm not sure if you're familiar with that but the psych- psychotronic weapon

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development system and by the way the CIA also invested in that might know that to be fact

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and that is the ability to use human brainwave functions with a piece of technology to affect

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matter now think about that for a minute people talk about telekinesis the bottom line is that

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there are ways to to interpret brainwave functions using technology a technological interface

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and then affecting change and we talked about that with with you know even the god helmet and

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other experiments we're working on where we can use the pros of the mirror and that's right

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all these other experiments but back to back to mr. barber um you know because what he's coming out with

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recently seems to be I mean it seems to be obviously a lot for a lot of people because you know not

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only did we go into he you know was part of a team that recovered a craft that was of exotic origin

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but also talked about being recruited as someone with psionic ability also talked about using other

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factions that are non-governmental contractors and using their technology to help down some of these

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things when they're in close proximity and then also about other crafts that were recovered

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that somehow had some emotional effect on him and you know this gets it gets woo really fast

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when listening to a lot of this stuff and you know I know there are a lot of listeners out there

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that when they hear of anything other than uap they're out because it took them so long

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to even get to uap but we do have to understand that something's piloting these things

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these uap you know maybe they're flying themselves but at some level something is piloting these

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can't have a conversation about extreme advanced technology without then having the conversation

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of who built it how does it work yeah why are they doing right and these are the follow on questions

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yes I understand it can be disturbing for a lot of people um and people say well our government

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never would be involved in anything like that you know using individual to do certain things and

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well look if that's what you think I don't know what to tell you but there's lots of examples

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where we have I mean we've done some pretty heinous stuff in experiments on human beings without

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their permission look at the CIA's use of LSD when we try to look at Canada how to handle that too

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by the way look at the the syphilist experiments right where we allowed human beings to die when we had

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the cure simply because we wanted to see what happened right so there's a long laundry

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history of malfeasance and things that people have done in the name of national security that wound

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up being absolutely atrocious and heinous and you know yeah if if there are children who are

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predisposed to having some sort of psychic capability as as stated by some individuals are their

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individuals in our government that would try to exploit that I think in the past probably sure

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you know and I've got my personal reasons for saying that but I also want to be very careful not

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to be conspiratorial because I don't have first hand knowledge I have I've heard the rumors

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are now is an a tip of this going on but I was never part of that effort of you to be clear you

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heard of the rumors of the psionics teams I heard rumors and psionics teams or you heard rumors of

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the psionics team bringing down craft not bringing down craft of trying to use human brains to try

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to interface with interface some of these things whatever that is correct but again I wasn't there

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for the experiments I don't know this is just kind of the hearsay that I heard when I was at a tip

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and then afterwards it makes sense when you look at the government's interests into people like

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Chris Bledso and why that would be so valuable if he could just summon them at will right you know

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if that was the case then that would be absolutely you know a leg up on the competition sure sure

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I you know I've there's a lot of weird stuff as a kid I experienced I don't never talk about

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it publicly but you know I've there's been times I've kind of scratched my head and say huh what was

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that was that coincidence sir was that yeah something else as someone did someone plan this to you

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know it's it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility and by the way for the record the

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whistleblower they referring to that came forward he is who he is he was a special operator he's

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an American hero he's not a lot for his country now whether his observation and his perspective is

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accurate I think he's telling his truth and I think people need to understand he put to put

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himself to a lot of risk Jake did for having this conversation with America now for the record I've

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never met the guy but I have special operator friends of mine who I've worked with that were actually

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there with him and providing some security support and have said hey this guy is legit and here's

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his background and these are the missions he's been on so he he is part of that elite group of the

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best to the best of our country and I know it's kind of difficult for a lot of people to absorb

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that you have this guy that's coming out kind of out of the blue and making these claims but I

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think I think everybody deserves to be heard have you seen heard or know of any other egg type

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crafts at a tip yes you have more than one boy yes there's a story I'm dying

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to tell you hopefully I can get clear at some point to say it that has to do with this has to

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do with with egg shaped vehicles yeah have you ever noticed seen heard of or heard whispers of any

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type of language or symbols apparent on these craft yes if I show you picture can you confirm or deny

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it depends can I try sure I'm gonna put my old main glasses on for the record this is gray and

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not blonde or so I'm an old dude I need as much help as I can get this is this is an image this is

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zoomed in

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now someone has taken the liberty of of pointing some of these symbols out and saying that there is

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some type of resemblance to this language this is really interesting when I was at the Pentagon

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I spent considerable time researching ancient script and hieroglyphics and symbology from and

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uh even uh cuneiform and to see if there was any similarity on what was seen on the outside of

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these vehicles which appear to be some sort of glyph or ruin if you will um I'm not familiar with

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this actual one but but you are familiar with oh absolutely they're being symbols on the outside

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yeah which by the way it's significant that means something look when you have what what let's

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break this down from a from a human and a scientific perspective what is the pearl I see your notes

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there what is the purpose of of written script what is it uh to communicate that's right to communicate

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and and more importantly there's a way to communicate when you are reading notes or you see a word

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I like to just kind of give it away how do you detect it what how do you how do you how do you how

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do you how can you read written script because you have eyes right it's a visual thing people who

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are blind can't read sure so they use braille so whenever you have reports that a a a a a a UAP

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UFO has something written on it there's a few things that you can summarize immediately first and

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foremost that they're communicating something you don't write something unless there's a meaning

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behind it whether it's a Chinese character or uh you know a English ancient Elizabethian English

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yeah right or even going back to some of the older forms of of written communication you're conveying

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an idea a thought or a directive and you're doing it through visual sight so that means whoever that

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is intended to see and whoever wrote it chances are they have eyes or they look they use the the

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electro optical spectrum to to discern their environments and that's not to discern or from humans

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and other animals on this planet and that there's a higher brain function you know dogs don't use

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writing they don't they don't you know read dictionaries it's only a human thing in fact of all

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the animals on our planet and all the primates the only animal that actually use written communication

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are human beings right ever since we were living in caves and we were painting animals that we

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hunted and and and and painting our palm print the human print on that side of that cave

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we're the only ones that do that so when you come across in this particular case a UAP that

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has some sort of writing on it there's some assumptions and presumption that can be made

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immediately yeah and that there may be not that dissimilar from us now maybe it simply is like

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we ever had a Jeep you know and you have those upside down stickers if you can read this flip me

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back over right maybe it's something like that or if you can read this you know phone home for me

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because I'm in trouble or maybe it means something else um but yeah we we looked at that at AIT

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as says wondering if there's some sort of intent that we can glean from from script because you were

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aware of craft that had script on it and not just me no there's there's there's there's a lot of

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yeah it's it's pretty undeniable at this point that were the was it written or engraved in

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these crafts no it was it was engraved it wasn't written it was it did it look not too dissimilar

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from what I just showed you yeah more if much more precise than that actually I mean there's no doubt

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about what you showed me there is someone's interpretation of what could be either script or could

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be just scratches and and and a book the ablative process of of it was very it was very blatant oh

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oh yeah like clear looking at that yeah it's like hey that's that's there for an intended purpose

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you've seen these on egg crafts let me do a polite pass on that it was on a it was on a on a

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a different craft but the egg craft is something that is people are now just saying oh this is a

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new form of you if it knows not we've been and and not just us this is there are people if the

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story ever comes out we have been dealing with this shape for a long time it's not new people

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think it's new it is not at all very interesting intelligence information about that I cannot go

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into any detail I'm very hopeful that information will probably come up soon enough not by me but

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some scientists who actually research some of this stuff and it is not new to our intelligence

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community either I mean we've been hearing about egg crafts with symbols on it since Lonnie's

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Amora you know we've also spoken to Chris Bledso who he described his as being an egg as well

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so these things tend to tend to pop up but more than that in both of these stories they have

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some type of intelligent being on the inside well and if you if you think about an egg it's

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almost nature's perfect solution it is the egg shape is there's a reason why it is it is what it

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is yeah it's perfect it's perfect and it's extremely resilient to external forces try again

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there's an old trick where you can take an egg and try to smash it with your fingers you know it's

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very tough to do and so there's a reason you could even summarize a reason why some of our early

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space capsules almost had that little bit of a egg shape to it because it's very resistant to

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earth's atmosphere when you're coming in on reentry it's a very efficient shape it is naturally

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aerodynamic naturally so there's a lot of there's a lot of advantages to to to having something

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the shape of an egg in fact if you look at world war two and some more bombs they look like

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eggs with fins on them you know there's a reason for that is because of the efficiency of that shape

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I mean it's really interesting you know that we're talking about this because to me this just

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communicates that we also have data specific data on crafts that are very close up very HD very

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I mean that type of information

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leads me to believe that you know the information that we were given with the Tick-Tack the gimbal

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the go fast was all just preparatory because if you're holding on to that type of clear imagery

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it was re it really cements the idea that it's a planned dissemination to the public is it but

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let me ask you something if you were in charge for just a day and you know that this whole experiment

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only works because people have faith and confidence in you right this is this is a term we call

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we call catastrophic disclosure versus control disclosure I know people hate that idea you're

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controlling you know I'm no right to control but look if if if really there is there is even a

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remote possibility that this really could be destabilizing conversation then it is a responsible move

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to handle this in a in a in a very methodical manner sure right because you don't want to

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disrupt low at the end of the people start to pay their mortgages and pay your cell phone bills

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yeah I'm gonna pta meaning you gotta take the kids a soccer I think we all get it but it's the

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admission of that I think that people have a hard time with it's not so much the act of it but

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brother look you already had a former director of national intelligence state for the record that

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these things are real whatever they are you know former director the CIA to former presidents

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of the United States you've got other elected leaders in other countries all saying it I mean

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people so well wondering if I have disclosure I said look you already have it we're we've crossed

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the brewbacana right now the question is what are we gonna do about and how are we gonna have it

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may not be the flavor of disclosure you want yeah but you already have the government look you have

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you have the setting up of arrow yeah I know there's some hiccups there and they still kind of

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dorken around but that'll be fixed very soon yeah you have a new administration and the United

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States that is very proactive in this topic wants the American people to know the truth and think

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they American people can handle the truth and by the way same with our elected officials for the

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first time we have a bipartisan issue that both Democrats and Republicans can agree with and say yeah

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you know what Americans deserve the truth so we've already had disclosure big D as people call it

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it's just maybe not the flavor people are expecting well I think a lot of people are just of

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a simpler you know sort of mind where they're like we'll just show me what you got you know and I

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think that's what it really comes down to with a lot of people's frustrations is is not that yeah

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transparency it's a transparency issue exactly and this is this is what motivates me I agree look I

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think we need to level with with the American people I think we need a level with the world and let's

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face it look if we know they aren't adversarial that is right well even if they are adversarial we

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need to know and and look the dumbest secret there is is that the Canadians have been dealing with this

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the U.S. has been dealing with this the Mexican been dealing with this South American dealing with it

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Europe's been dealing with their Russians and Chinese and the is it the worst kept secret at this

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point you know was it possible that maybe this is the one conversation that can actually get

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countries that are adversarial to each other say look for this one thing let's agree to agree

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and let's work together on this you know and I will make a treaty I promise I will not exploit

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this technology to hurt you and you have to do the same thing let's work together scientifically

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on this because maybe it'll help us as humanity move forward clean energy solutions for example or

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better medical look what only has to look at the 10 years of one decade that we had the space

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race with the then Soviet Union right now Russia what happened during the Apollo years we went from

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1960 to 1969 to putting a person on the moon and we did it almost routinely if you can imagine that

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right what happened as a result well over 6,200 industries not products industries were a result

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of that one decade of competition to get into space and ultimately get on the moon things like

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the LED light bulb things like the CAT scan that have outlived their initial intended purpose

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and have changed the well-being of humanity for the good forever right yeah and so and that's

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just 10 years of trying to get to to the moon can you imagine this type of technology

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uh the potential benefits it could have for our species now with that said there's the counter

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argument right of course every time like looking nuclear energy yeah they can power a city but it can

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also ignore destroy so you can't ignore it because there are rogue nations out there that will say

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hmm well if I can fly from here to there almost instantly and be not be seen then I can put a weapon

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on that thing right and now all of a sudden uh oh you know Pandora's box has been open and there's

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a liability there so you know maybe it's we need to have a conversation an adult conversation

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with the rest of the world you know and I'm not talking like United Nations I'm talking bigger like

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a no kidding eight guys we got to get to the table on this because we're gonna wind up you don't

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want to die we don't want to die we don't want to kill each other with this you know this is

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this is like for real real psych nuclear weapons right you know let's let's not use them if we can

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yeah this is the like the Manhattan project on steroids that's right but if for smart we'll

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will do this as for peaceful purposes yeah for once for once and I think we can and by the way

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the reason why I have hope is not because of my generation my generation is paranoid we screwed

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this topic up long enough we've hit it we suppressed it and then we ruined people's life for it

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it's your generation because when I had to have secret conversations about this topic in the Pentagon

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it was always because we were afraid of the reaction we were gonna get the this whole reaction

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in the fear your generation which is the generation of my daughters see much more open to this

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it's much more hey listen we really need to get to the bottom this because there could be a benefit

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here and look we don't want to have a war with Russia we don't want to have a war with China we

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can we all just get along for once and yeah and try to work this out because this involves all of

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humanity and that gives me encouragement that's why I think the time is now to have this conversation

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because unlike before previous generations like mine that completely botched this topic

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your generation actually seems to be more open and more responsible about it and I think it's

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partly because of this type of technology when I was in high school if I wanted to learn about

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the Andy's mountains I had to go to a library pick up a cycle of pdf of the shelf that was probably

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10 or 15 years old already luckily maybe the page was still there wasn't ripped out for some other

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kids project you know and and I got about a paragraph a paragraph and a half about the Andy's mountains

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now in virtually any language instantaneously in anywhere part of the world you can pull up on your

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phone all the information you want and have volumes of volumes of volumes volumes about the Andy's

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mountains how they were made and the precipitation rate and the population and erosion rates and all

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that stuff right you have more information at the tip of your hand for the first time the the world

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is connected like never before there's great power in that because for the first time your

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generation can understand how people in your generation in China feel right and you can

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communicate and how people in Iran feel and people in Russia and China and UK and France and Germany

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and and if you don't understand the language it'll automatically be translated for you so that

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that that communication barrier is has been evaporated and also the cultural barrier you guys are

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far more accepting of new ideas new principles new new perspectives then mine look I grew up in a

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generation where there was I was on the tail end of literally where they were we had separation

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of races can you imagine that right how foolish and silly is that and now it's like my god what

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what the hell were people thinking right yeah but that wasn't associated nor was it expect norm when

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I was in the military we're always told don't ask don't tell right and oh homosexuality in

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in a military is bad well it's silly it's stupid what the hell did we ever care why because we

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were ignorant my my generation made these dumb rules because we didn't know better your generation

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is not that way you don't have these preconceived notions of what shouldn't shouldn't be you use

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common sense and I think that's why the timing is like never been before because we've never had

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the technology before and we've also never had a generation like yours before and that those two

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perfect storms allow us to have a conversation like this great I mean that that gives me some hope

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you know the one that one of the scariest things that I've ever heard was I think it was

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how put off I who said this and if the military if the government discovered a drop of water the

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first thing they're going to do is figure out how to drown you in it yep and you know part of

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me is thankful for that because and you can say what you want but if we didn't invent the

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nuke first right this this podcast would not be happening that's right and that's that's pretty

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much a fact I'm speaking a different language perhaps absolutely but at the same time you know

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it's you bring up a really interesting point um there is this weird if you look at from a biological

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perspective an sociological perspective this this um I guess the best way to describe this

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tribalism ancient mankind had a small circle of people within their tribe maybe living in a cave

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living in a hut whatever and that was your reality and everybody else were enemies right because

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they were good it was we were living in an environment where we were resource starved so either

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I ate or you ate and if you ate I didn't and so we had this weird competition and then as society

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expanded into the village it became now a village mentality and we saw right books now you know

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and takes a village right so our society and our little our little little myopic society that

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that we kind of encapsulate ourselves and and everybody else is out there in the enemy and we're

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we're gonna stick together and then you had the urbanization and and once we became we kind of

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entered this this point of agriculturalism and we weren't nomads anymore we kind of kind of

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gravitated to to a central region and and and and attracted more people so that popular the

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population density became greater until eventually you had regional areas and then eventually you

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had borders of nations right United States and you're a Canadian and you're a Mexican and you know

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but as we continue to push our boundaries we begin to realize that we're really all the same

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and this is something that I've tried to tell people look if you're ever in space and you look

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down at the earth you don't see the lines between countries we're all together we're all together

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well you know we go so well i'm American what does that mean you know because people in South

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America they're Americans too they're just South Americans versus North American versus Central

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America we're all in this together um and uh but we're fighting instinct because our instinct is

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to be tribal our instinct is my loyalties to my people my country my family my this my that

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and that was a survive in order to survive as a species we needed to animals do the same thing right

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you have a pack of wolves and they stick together and they they go after everything else

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and so that is part of the Darwinian survival and evolution of all things biological because

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why we live in a resource starved environment it's either them or me eat or be eaten but we're now

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realizing if we want to evolve to the next phase of our existence as human beings where we rely on

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this and you know not this not bronze but our brains and our hearts we have to overcome that

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instinct um to to control to dominate to do all the things that nations and religions do in fact

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that is the one thing i think that is stopping our evolution to the next phase of human reality which

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is do we have enough sense to get rid of some of these instinctual habits that we've by the way

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required to survive to get to where we are now likely using the bomb right thank god as it was

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thank god we had it not them but have we been able to outgrow that to the point now where we can

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actually all have a conversation together and say look we're all brothers and sisters i mean not

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agree with you i mean i don't understand you you may not agree with me and understand me but we

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can't agree that humanity's survival as a species demands that we begin to work with each other

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communicate with each other toward a common goal and stop this infighting and competition and

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maybe at some point we'll get to a point where we're not in a resource starved environment we are

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an environment where we don't have that competition and we don't need to have that competition yeah

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yeah great and i think that you know Reagan said it to at the u n meeting there when uh back in

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the day when he was like it would it would take you know an external extraterrestrial threat for

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all of us to like be you know realize that hey we're in this together maybe hopefully it isn't an

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extraterrestrial threat that we're that we're facing um okay i have a question here i have a

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few more questions that we got to get into um you i'm just still fascinated with all the things that

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you've seen and i think that's where i think and i'll speak for a lot of people here i think that's

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the broadly in in a general sense why people are so fascinated with people of in your position

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because you got to peek behind the curtain we did not right so we to a certain extent

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to careful what you wish for i know i just say the dumbest sword that's another question i have but

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for now like you have you know access to the mechanism you have access to at least a portion of

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the mechanism and you get to peek behind the veil and all the rest of us are curious right we're

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curious because it involves mankind it involves our own potential uh religion it involves life

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and death it involves why we're here it involves the questions of the universe it involves the most

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important things that humanity has ever asked for and you potentially had one of the closest

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encounters with the answer that is a great that's heavy man you'll put that on my shoulders are

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you kidding me that is that is what it is that is why people are so passionate about this that is

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why people get fired up whether good or bad or angry or happier they they get fired up because

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this is important this is the big question and you know there aren't so many people that have come

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forward to talk about that and the second we get somebody you know is the the second we need to

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grill them it's it's the second we need to put them through the ranger because you're like you're

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playing with my emotions right and truth whatever that truth is and you're going to come out and

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if you're going to say this is the truth and you know you better prove it exactly and so you know

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you've all people can understand the amount of you know frustration and vitriol and all of this

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stuff combined because deep deep deep down everyone's just hoping for an answer that's just deep down

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but my but my role isn't to provide answers my role is just to provide information it's

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yes who you to find those answers okay this is what I'm trying to tell people well put you know it's

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don't put that responsibility on my show I'm just like you and I'm valuable and I'm a human being

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and I you know wake up and I spill my coffee and you know I'm I'm not a Messiah man that's

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understood that is that my job is simply as a as a purveyor of the information here's the information

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here's the data here's the facts how you interpret that and what you think about that brother that's

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on you not me but a lot of us are not willing to make that answer as long as there's information

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being with help oh great no you're right and that's why we're doing we're doing right here's the

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information we're gonna get more out we do we do want to make those answers and and hopefully

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you know we don't look to anyone else for answers and we can come up with those ourselves but as long

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as we're aware that there is information that is being withheld we can't fully formulate a proper

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answer and some people's frustration my guess is that you have that luxury of formulating some

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type of answer that they would love to formulate themselves makes sense yeah good point um so

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you know forgive me for always you know prying into what it is you've seen but that's the

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underlying value in this is that some of us just want to know more so that we can make our own answers

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sure and that's fair and I think that's a really good point and that's you know

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I guess indirectly some of why do what I do you know I want you to have information so you can

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make your own assessment and this why people say well what do you think you know what to hell with

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what do you think so that's a matter what do you think but matter what you think you know my job is

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this is why you know I was told people when I was a former special agent um and when I was a special

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agent in charge our job is very simple provide the information to the jury let the jury decide

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doesn't matter what I think about it but it doesn't matter how I feel about it it doesn't

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what matters is what does the data suggest what does the math suggest what are what is the the

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collection of data and observations provide and then you allow the people to make that decision

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for themselves correct right and I think it's the problem we have right now in this this UFO

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community which I do not consider myself a u-fologist I'm not a researcher of UFO who's

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having a job that was it paid by the government America taxpayer dollars um I think it's it's

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critical that people be allowed to make their own interpretive decisions for themselves because

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this is the people of course people say a little what do you think does matter what matters what

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you think here's the data you figure that don't be so quick to give up that that sacred right you

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to think but once again we don't have that data right well we get some of it we don't have it you

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know how all of it there's a difference you do have some of it yes we do we do some of it and I know

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it's frustrating because people say they want more I get it I understand well it's because it's

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uh it's like chocolate and it's not and that's not on you that it's frustrating by the way and I know

[1:25:09 - 1:25:14] ▶

you shoulder a lot of that uh and and and and and and just you know to a great extent it's very unfair

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because you have been forthcoming with more information I think than most people would have gotten

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in a lifetime of research uh you know thanks to thanks to the things that you've done coming for

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well thank you I am trying absolutely absolutely and that is undeniable and and I'm willing to

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fight anyone on that um you know but the the problem is once once we scrape the barrel we're like okay

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well what's next right and we know there is a next we know there is something right right um okay

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I think part of the first trailer and let me just completely transparent with you guys

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I do a lot of work behind the shadows behind the scenes in order to get to like where we are now

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um whether it's a new whistleblower that maybe I've been aware of for the last few years or

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uh maybe a secret project that will hopefully blow the lid on a lot of this you know whether through

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a documentary getting the right people to have a conversation the problem is when you do that in

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the dark people think that you're hiding something from them they don't realize that look it's not

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you I don't trust what I don't trust are some of the elements over there that don't want this

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conversation to happen and I can't have the conversation with you without them hearing it so I have

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to do things behind the scenes and in the dark until they become revealed right yes and people look

[1:26:26 - 1:26:31] ▶

at that is oh well that's Lou being secret that's Lou you know uh obfuscating the truth that's

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Lou controlling a narrative no it's not what it's doing is allowing me the time and the ability

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to present the information where someone's not going to take it away from you and that's

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that's why I do a lot of what I do when you when I leave these breadcrumb people say oh on breadcrumb

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that's why you're doing that look if you look for the last seven years everything I've ever said

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has come to pass without exception every single thing and I do that deliberately so people know look

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I am fighting for you I'm working for you behind the scenes I just can't tell you everything

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that I'm doing right now but eventually you'll know and I'm trying to you know I know people say

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well it's been seven years yeah but we've done more than seven years when we have the last 70

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I mean guys I'm working my ass off believe me I'm pulling myself a lot of risk I I lost almost

[1:27:13 - 1:27:18] ▶

everything pursuing this you know and like I said how much are you paying me to do your your

[1:27:18 - 1:27:23] ▶

podcast right now how much are you paying me zero that's right find any podcast or that I've

[1:27:23 - 1:27:27] ▶

taken a penny from you know it's it costs money baby it's it's I'm taking time away from my family

[1:27:27 - 1:27:33] ▶

to have this conversation with people and people don't realize that you know they're you're

[1:27:34 - 1:27:38] ▶

a grifter man you don't know a grifter if that's a grifter you know much money to have right now I'd

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be flying a lear jet you know I deliberately don't do that simply because I don't want to pollute

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the topic and so and I respect that and and I think you know just from my observation I try to

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remain really sort of unbiased from all of this and just look at it from like a perspective

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the spectator perspective and I think there are a lot of other bad actors in this

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specifically oh yeah there's a lot of people with cotton industries that have been

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yeah selling a line of bolt to people for a long time and now they've got to double down triple down

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and and and and there's a lot and there's also a lot of trust me bro yeah right and people are sick

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of the trust me yeah absolutely because there's a lot of it and so you know I guess I guess

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the reason there's probably so much frustration you're going to get hate by the way as I promise you

[1:28:27 - 1:28:32] ▶

yeah just for having me in your I'm aware having this conversation oh lose a grifter he's full of crap

[1:28:32 - 1:28:38] ▶

he doesn't know I mean I've been I've been called the same I'm I'm I'm aware and

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I'm currently unfazed by it because for me this is not only a pursuit for them this is a pursuit for

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myself as well I want to know right and whatever means I have to get that information is is the means

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I'm going to pursue but they they would also lot they would also be lying if they said they wouldn't

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want to be sitting right here and talking with you right now interesting um I think a lot of people

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followed yeah if anything to throw a tomato at me probably fine but if it means getting a little

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bit more a little closer to the answer that they're so desperately seeking then I think it's worthwhile

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but you know the answer here's here's a great point the answer doesn't come externally if and this

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is why I've told people before if you really want to know what's going on out there you first

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got to know what's going on in here yeah and that's if this is the filter for everything we see and we

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conceive and we perceive right and so you have to stop saying I demand the truth give me the truth

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look in the damn mirror and say first of all what can I do to be a better father a better husband

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a better a better citizen right and let me be the best that I can be and then hopefully that whatever

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that is makes more sense sure right because as long as we have these these these these pride and

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ego that so many of us carry around and the inability to look in the mirror and say you know what

[1:30:02 - 1:30:07] ▶

I don't really like that aspect of what I see awareness society was oh you have to love yourself

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you know oh you're the best you know what that affirmation is BS we need to be hypercritical of

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ourselves so we can be better people there's a you I'll share you know if these tattoos here on my

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arm and by the way I don't normally like tattoos but I did it from you know military and other

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stuff what this says it's Latin this is accept and pine it to you it means with regret because

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there are people out there live their lives I have no regrets you know what you're a moron then

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because then you're never going to learn a lesson I have lots of regret I've done things

[1:30:35 - 1:30:40] ▶

that I wish I didn't have to do now if I was putting the same situation again what I do it for my

[1:30:40 - 1:30:44] ▶

country damn right I would but I regret the fact that as humans we had to even be putting that

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situation I never want to forget the faces and the lives of other human beings that maybe you're

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in here anymore right because of things maybe I've done right and so no I I want to remember their

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faces I don't want to glorify that because I'm still a human you know and and I did things

[1:31:00 - 1:31:06] ▶

because I had to because I wanted to and I think we have to be self-reflective I think we have to

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have the courage to look in the mirror and say you know what I can be a better person you're not

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going to be perfect we're humans we're we're never ever going to be perfect but it shouldn't stop

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you from trying to being a better human being and I think that is maybe one of the keys to unlock

[1:31:22 - 1:31:28] ▶

this crater mystery you know we we can't how are we going to give perfect case in one at a general

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about two and a half years ago now it's been a while he says to me after giving him a briefing on this

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topic he says Lou this one I was a US space force because look Lou I really don't care about this all I

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care about is if this thing lands on the White House lawn do I go ahead and extend my hand out

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to shake its hand and and friendship or do I point in him 16 at its head and I looked at my dear

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general you're missing a point it's not an either or solution right both of those may be the wrong

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way to react to this we need to do a better job of of of understanding what's actually going on in

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order to do that you first have to understand how you're wired yourself what makes you tick what

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motivates you because that's going to depend on how you interpret that data is it friendly is a

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threat or is it something completely different and so we all have to be on that same sheet of music

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you know we all have to be have that honest conversation with yourself you know what we're not

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perfect you know what I'm not the best person out there you know what I'm not the prettiest I'm not

[1:32:29 - 1:32:34] ▶

the richest I'm not the most influential you know and yeah I've got some bad habits maybe I

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I don't clean up the bathroom or I drink too much or I'm a gambler whatever that is but be honest

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with yourself man and then make the effort of trying to to to learn those lessons and become a

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better human being because maybe that's what it's going to take to really understand out there

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you got to first understand here I love that I love that thank you for sharing that and I think

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that's a great point and it's it's one of the most refreshing things I've heard in this topic

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because even Jake Barber will get back to him you know he had this sort of this this providence this

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holy moment when he perceived him being contact with whatever emotional feminine energy entity

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was in this craft but that changed him fundamentally you could see that on camera he almost broke

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down into tears just even talking about it it was very real to him and he he said something he said

[1:33:32 - 1:33:38] ▶

something to the likes of everybody should feel this in order to understand you know that

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perspective is everything I don't disagree with that I think he's absolutely right about that yeah

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when and when you have you know I've always I've always stuck to this

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if you understand someone it is impossible to hate them and and and I will die by those words

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think about anyone in your life who you dislike find annoying or hate and now really try and

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understand them really try and walk a mile in their shoes and try to be empathetic to what it is

[1:34:11 - 1:34:17] ▶

their entire story is from beginning to end and and current and that's just hard to do it's really

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hard to do but if you can do that even if you can get close to doing that you find yourself

[1:34:22 - 1:34:27] ▶

feeling all sorts of other feelings for this person right that aren't negative well and think

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about if you've ever been guilty of that same behavior which chances are we have yeah because we're

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human but we don't want to do that and sometimes in life we won't have someone we can point the

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finger to well of course because human beings and it avoids us having to point it out ourselves and

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accept responsibility right yeah the hardest thing to do like I said is look in the mirror and accept

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responsibility and say you know what shoot I could have done better sure you know I did not I did

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not give it my best and I know it yeah and I need to I need to work on that right um and you're

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not without your flaws no more that's something that that you've also been vocal about as well right

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is that yeah mistakes happen things happen to people but you got to own up to it man still you haven't

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given up no you and you know what except responsibility remain accountable it's not that hard yeah it's

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sucks you got to swallow your pride but guess what that's the only way you're gonna you're going to

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succeed you have to under you have to have those lessons learned and if you don't right and for

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me had to be dumb enough I had to put out my arms to remind myself of it um you know you're gonna be

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you're gonna be doomed to repeat those same mistakes over and over and over and over again and

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something magical happens when you actually accept responsibility even though it's a gut punch

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through the pride and ego part all of a sudden you become free it is it is freedom in a way that you

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you would not expect but it's very very liberating and it's also very very I think um

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encouraging and it's uh it's it's it's helpful because you all of a sudden get more out of life

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you begin to appreciate things you wouldn't before you walking in a park and you look at a little

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flower that's growing underneath the tree and we'll say wow that's that's magical how many times

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have I walked by here and never even noticed that or cared right and now all of a sudden wow

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beauty is right there I don't have to go searching for beauty in a vogue magazine or you know a

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New York runway it's right there nature's beauty right there and here I am this entire time

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taking it for granted right so I think you know this is what I know to frustrate people people

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people who say well if I want to really know about that well what's your one suggestion Lou

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say stop worrying about that stop worrying about that um stop worrying about what's in here

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and then maybe you'll unlock the secrets you know get a fresh perspective yep all right let's

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get back to the nuts and bolts this is great I love this by the way thank you for addressing that

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okay bit of a fun question okay if you can get access to any archive out of the 19

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intelligence agencies if you can get full unrestricted access to any of their archives and we're

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talking DOE CIA DOD whatever it is DIA whatever what agency well it's a bit unfair for me because I

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had a very high security clearance you had access to a lot of stuff but I think for me okay if

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you were in my position the CIA and here's the reason why not because it's it's you know the CIA

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it's domestic it's not domestic it's not domestic but more importantly they share a lot of

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information from other agencies goes to the CIA so it's not just CIA information you'd have access

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to you'd have access to a lot of other agencies both domestic and foreign information that

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the CIA has access to it's kind of a belly button if you will and so if you can get into there

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and really have full open access you you would learn a lot um is the DOE interesting as well

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absolutely it is look by law and you think that gives off a certain amount of radiation falls

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under the DOE is there okay so we're speaking about lures earlier right and and how the ocean

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big bodies of water but also you know possibly strife and conflict nuclear war these things seem

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to attract are there any environmental factors that attract them yeah what are some that

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aren't the ocean what are some other environmental factors that you've seen activity in uh or

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atmospheric certain um so there is a lot of information um on this topic that's to suggest that

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uranium mines are particular interest and other mines as well believe it or not gold now if you

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think about it why gold not from a monetary perspective oh what gold is you know gold is a very

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interesting metal and which by the way makes it valuable not because it's a pretty good gold

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it's because the property is a reason why NASA and the Air Force used gold a lot but on the inside of

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radiation properties are all sorts of proper right right i gotta be careful what i say here but

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gold has some very interesting properties and um there has been some information to suggest that

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UAP are interested in mining operations um both uranium and and gold that was also suggested by

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the forechan whistleblower who talked about the underwater instruction unit yeah interesting very

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interesting um i mean if just my brains jumping to area the area school they were close to a uranium

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mine as well um that's not the only one yeah i'm sure there are other mass sightings there's some

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reports governmental reports um i can probably tell that they've been released before you now so

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they were classified um CIA reports uh on mines in the Congo um gold mines where these things were

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were seen by many many people wow um i'll show you two oh i mean they're okay so there's one thing

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being interested in the material but there's another in extracting it

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yep have you any recorded data of observing these UAP extracting anything no

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not i have not doesn't mean it's not the case yeah it means it's not the case but not in my

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experience i haven't seen actually any extraction of minerals from the earth okay the the

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the forechan whistleblower said that like the technology they used was laser somehow and that lasers

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were really interesting and that china was actually using some of these lasers and had figured out

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how to bore these holes and to mine things that left the united states baffles so are we sure it's

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actual laser so laser is very interesting it's in a visible light spectrum and it's a very specific

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frequency of light so green laser only uses green it looks green because it's it's green and the

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photon are coming out very specific frequency blue lasers red lasers um there's things that can be

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confused as lasers directed energy okay that are really not based in in photon or the emission of

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actual light then you also have a in some cases what they call a dopper shift so part of the

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discussion we had an a tip was some of the biological consequences of people getting too close to

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these things right and suffering yeah exactly dopper redshift blue shift what could be coming out

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in let's say a certain radio frequency when it goes through a certain process and perhaps leaves

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the the u a p or the u f o it gets a dopper shifted into a higher frequency that now becomes

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interpreted as visible light or possibly even energy like they could hurt you right um x-ray for

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example um so when someone says well they're using laser technology you can look that way yeah

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does it is it really laser technology or is it something else that we are now superimposing our

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own understanding of physics and go that laser when really it might not be a laser per se but it's

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interpreted that way yeah it has laser like properties right right okay has there been through

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what you've been shown any reason to believe that the the NHI or the u a p that you've been

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observing has a distinct and perhaps adverse effect on our religious beliefs well you don't have

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to look at aliens and u a foes a lot of things can can can threaten religion but was there anything

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specifically that you know because there has been talks of Jesus in Bibles and stuff let me explain

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let me make this wait there's nothing that I'm aware of okay that that threatens or hinders my

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own interpretation of of spiritualism and religion sure but we can look back in the past for

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example look at Galileo Galileo when he first proposed the the the non-earth centric view of our

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solar system and proposed the heliocentric view of our solar system what happened well religion

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responded very violently and almost put him to death for it till the he can't it right at the end

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of the day we realized Galileo didn't do anything to threaten religion it was mankind's interpretation

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of religion that was being threatened sure not god or the notion of god but mankind's understanding

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of god or or the great architect or the great beyond right whatever you want to call it um well I

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I guess more specifically my question would be has there been anything in what you have studied

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that would confirm or deny religion everything I've seen only reinforces the notion of the notion

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of religion but nothing specifically uh there's no specific data that points to any of the major

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religious events or any of the well you have to be careful because it's very subjective very

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interpretive let me give an example I hear over and over again people say well the Bible's full of

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UFO encounters look at Ezekiel's real sure okay great work it has just been someone's dream or

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it could have been a vision that wasn't related to UFOs at all we don't know because we're separated

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by space and time right so we weren't there so how do we know what the writer or the author was

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thinking at the time you really don't so we have to we have there's a lot of interpretive a lot

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of subjectivity there okay I look I I don't think I think if anything this topic only reinforces

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the notion that that there is certainly a degree of order in this universe and that the cosmos

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is incredibly vast let me give you an example here I've said this a few times before um there are

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there are two barriers to human beings really understanding the universe in fact if you if you look

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at the entire there's five fundamental senses for which we judge our environment and if you can't touch

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it takes it here it's smell it etc uh we really don't know it's there right because that's the only way

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we have to you know you can use technology to help enhance some of that but but we only have five

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senses so let's look at let's look at human vision for a second what is human vision human vision is a

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very very narrow band of the electromagnetic spectrum we call the electro optical spectrum right

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really tiny we can see red and we can see up the blue and that's it and we think we can judge

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the entire universe but that's only 0.0035 percent of the entire electromagnetic spectrum meaning

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most of reality lies beyond our ability to perceive it now are there animals I can't sure honey

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bees can look in ultraviolet there's animals I can see in infrared and whatnot we as humans can't

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so we rely on technology where I live in Wyoming beautiful night skies take a look at that night sky

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you'll see all these stars now look at that same night sky through a radio telescope and you start

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seeing things you can't see normally you see large gash gashous clouds and nova and things like that

[1:45:45 - 1:45:50] ▶

that are just as real but they lie beyond our ability to perceive and then you've got a scale ability

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issue you and I are sitting in a wonderful studio you have here having this great conversation between

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you and me and when you look at the scale of the universe so the visible most scientists believe

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that the visible universe visible horizon it's about 40 billion billion light years across now to

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understand that really perceive that what does that mean well that means take a photon of light

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which travels at the speed of light 186,000 miles per second seven and a half times around our entire

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planet in a second now think how far light can travel in a week and in a year and now take that

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multiply it by 40 billion right incredibly vast and that's only 10% of the actual size of the

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universe most most cosmologists agree that the universe is 10 times bigger it's just that is so vast

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light will never reach earth so that's our visible horizon 40 billion but really the universe

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probably over a hundred billion light years maybe even much bigger across and we are this

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infinitesimally small spec somewhere in the middle I would encourage your your audience if

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they ever get a chance get on Google look on Google images and type in pale blue dot what is that

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pale blue dot that is earth everything you've ever thought dreamed hope cried laughed occurred on

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that tiny dot every moment of history that we know of since the beginning of time occurred on that

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planet everybody's ever lived and died on that tiny little blue dot hurly through the vastness of

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space right that's very uncomfortable for people to look at and realize that and how vulnerable we

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really are real perspective now let's do the reverse let's go down let's look at avogadro's

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number 6.2 something times 10 to the negative 23rd a hydrogen atom a proton neutron electron for

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hydrogen that is times 10 to the negative 23rd and size that's roughly the same order of magnitude

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as we are to the universe and it's inside every human being meaning most of reality is either too big

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or too small for human beings to really interact with and grasp and in fact we can as a species if

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we're lucky one or two orders of magnitude up or down and that's it that's our reality when and

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the truth is most of the universe is is beyond our ability to even perceive it because it's either

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too big or too small and so by that definition alone in the fact that we look at 0.0036 percent of

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the entire electromagnetic spectrum some incredible number we we can perceive 0.000000 keep writing

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those years all the way down 1 percent of the entire universe in our reality and we know most

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of the universe and reality lies beyond that and so that's fact that's not supposition that's

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that's reality and we have to understand that this is an awfully big and complex universe and

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there's other things besides physical distance we talk about physical distance but you understand

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quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement there are some things in universe that really don't

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follow the rules of of of a three-dimensional space and time it's it's it's inconsequential it's

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irrelevant and I know for us a species as a human physical species that is our reality it's hard

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for us to perceive a reality where space and time is irrelevant but the fact is those those

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universes exist and so we have to really recalibrate the way we think about things if we want to

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if we want to imagine the unimaginable we first have to redefine what unimaginable is

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a lot to think about man that's a big pill to swallow

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you have a gold standard case that you look at they're all think back on they're all different

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there's so many gold standard cases the ones I can talk about because people know about it like

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the Nimitz incident okay but there's other set but the other ones okay platinum standard

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yeah because if you can talk about the Nimitz and Nimitz and you consider that a gold standard I

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mean there's got to be something above that yeah that a lot and there's a lot yeah in your mind

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when you hear of a case or you see a case or you see a photo or a video floating around or

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or whatnot you have a rolle dex that you can compare it to right that you know for a fact is

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anomalous that is confirmed and anomaly correct are we going to see some of those cases in the near

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future that decisions out up to mine but I certainly hope so let me give you an example without saying

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something specific okay let's say this coffee cup for you know better yet let's take a look at

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this water bottle let's say this is birth right it's round completely rounds yeah the way that gravity

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works is there are expected trajectories of things coming in and out of orbit and especially if

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a satellite let's say on retrograde it comes in that's how we know it's going to burn up over the

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Pacific Ocean that's how we know at what time you can see the fireworks showing the sky right at the

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rocket re-entering and burning up into satellite and whatnot things there's an expected path

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that things take even ICBMs and missiles if we were to launch on Russia Russia would launch on us

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there's a very predictable pattern because it's physics what you wouldn't expect looking at this

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as the earth is something because most things come in at a at a at a come in as art yeah um

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so wouldn't expect something going straight down and then popping straight back up because the

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amount of energy required to do that is enormous beyond our capability well certainly beyond our

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capability now um and so when you see that and you have the data and it's not just looking at it

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it's high-perspectral data and there's other ways to collect information besides a human eye

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remember that's only 0.0036 percent of the spectrum right so that's a little narrow window let's

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get a big window here let's get all the data baby you know give me give me all the frequencies and

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I want to see everything that's when you know you have something really special um because sometimes

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you know they say seeing his believing but your eyes can fool you look you're a magician I mean

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this is this is how you this is your trade made uh slight of hand making something appear to be one

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thing when it's really something else so we need more data points we need we need beta to include

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beyond the visible spectrum and that can tell you a lot I can tell you can tell you heat right

[1:52:03 - 1:52:08] ▶

things like infrared and and what something is even made out of because depending on the trail

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and the color just like we look at a at a star we can tell there's a planet around it why because we

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can tell actually the atmosphere of that planet and what is composed of because as light from that

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star travels through it and then eventually hits earth and our eyes we can say oh that plants

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primarily nitrogen and that plants primarily hydrogen that plant is composed of you know methane

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because the light behaves it's absorbed by the type of gas and so when you see something coming in

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out and if there happens to be a trail on it you can look at that and you can analyze okay this

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thing is this is what it's comprised of because of the color because of the length of the heat all

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sorts of different things so without giving away specific capabilities here hyperspectral technology

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can be very very informative it can tell you a lot more than just simply seeing something on a camera

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mm-hmm and so those are the ones that really get very compelling especially when you also have footage

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especially when you when you when you like when you browse stuff and you're in your shown things

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online are you ever just like me because of what you've seen but that's it listen but that's not

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because it's not compelling it's because I've been decent because you've been to sensitize I have

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right it's just like you know a cop who who comes across a crime scene and people are like oh my

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god the horrific is like yeah okay you know it's and it's unfortunate because that's just the

[1:53:28 - 1:53:32] ▶

reality of of us it's just like anybody who watches shows and horror shows on movies you know someone

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might say I don't like watching horror that's disgusting someone says that's not really that bad

[1:53:38 - 1:53:42] ▶

it you get desensitized it's like a magic trick it's like knowing how magic trick works and it's

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funny because I actually got to ask a Bob was are that question and he said for the same reason he

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said it's exactly like a magic trick um why doesn't the government talk about Bob was are

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well probably why they don't talk about me I can imagine you know we go against the grain I've

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never met Mr. Lazar to be honest with you and for the record so people say well what do you think

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it was are I don't I you know I have no way to judge I've never met the gentleman uh you know

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I think he's saying his truth whatever that truth may be just like I'm saying mine sure um

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you know but look the government has spent a lot of time doing the same thing to me when I first

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came out they even denied that age it was real I know even denied that I was part of it right and like

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in one somebody I think somebody even accused I wasn't even at the Pentagon I'm like dude you can't

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me there's my desk you know there's there's a safe that's got all the stuff in it um so I suspect

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if he is enduring the same thing it'd be for the same reasons it they they tried to obfuscate you

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know there's there's a there's a saying we have uh uh first of all you deny everything you admit

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nothing and then you make counter accusations right and so there is this the spectrum of efforts

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that happen when there's an inconvenient conversation having a government the first thing you do

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is a denied and then when they can't deny it anymore uh you know they'll they'll start trying to

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take away so much credibility like they do with Dave Groose 24 hours of him coming out and

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and and this by the way is American here this guy I know pro I worked with him at space force he

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is exactly who he is we had the same briefings together we saw the same UAP data right so he comes

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out and says the truth and with the 24 hours two guys from CIA leaked medical data and try to use

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his PTSD against him now how disgusting is that right oh and totally by the way that's if I were to

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go ahead and the government and release someone's private data I go to jail that's hip avialation

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that is also the the there's PII information there personal identifiable information there

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there's medical reticle is being doxed by the government that's being doxed by the government

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shame on you and you wonder why people are pissed you wonder why people like me do what I do

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that's why because that to me let me this is a you're you're getting to a point now in this

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conversation that is very near and dear to my heart and and I want to share something with you a lot

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of people know in my book I talk about my mother passing away and no I'm not plugging the book

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it doesn't want him here I'm just simply saying that people know that because I was forthcoming

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about it was some people may not know and I always just started talking about it was a death of my

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father my father was a revolutionary cubist part of the Bay of Pigs fact if you type in my name and

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type in the word Bay of Pigs you'll see his prisoner number and he was a tortured and tormented

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soul because of it but as later years he got he became very introspective and so about a month

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before he passed away passed away two years ago on father's day I had the opportunity I knew he

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was dying but he wouldn't tell me but I could tell he was dying and I know my time was limited so

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he came out to visit me and we had an opportunity to take a road trip together so we're going to

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drive back down to south Florida together and about halfway through the trip I asked him a question

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and I you know I look back and I feel kind of guilty about it because I was kind of flippant

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not expecting the answer that I got and I said dad what is the greatest threat to humanity

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now I'm thinking to myself is it a natural calamity earthquake is it a nuclear war is it a biological

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pandemic like COVID was and he looked to me and he says I thought about for say he says corruption

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it's a corruption it's like financial corruption says no son corruption corruption in any form is

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the act of trading away one of your core values in exchange for something else and whether it's

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religious corruption moral corruption governmental corruption if you have corruption in government

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then what winds up happening is you wind up chipping away eroding the very foundation of a democracy

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and when that occurs it's a very very quick and slippery slope down to total tyranny and it's

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something my father actually had direct experience in and so when you have in the government

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corruption and people making decisions that they don't have the authority to make for reasons that

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they don't have the authority to even even consider and doing things like they did to David Ruchin

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myself and other people that's a problem because now the entire democracy is at risk this is not

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just hey the government trying to insulate so hey man you're doing you're you're now going beyond

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the constitution here which is something we all agree with and you're telling me now the

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constitution doesn't matter and that I have to play by the rules and you don't

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hey buddy I don't know your memory but 1776 happened you know people have a vote and if you think

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that they're not they're going to sit here and tolerate corruption you know there's an old saying

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from Bob Marley you can fool some people sometimes but you can't fool all the people all the time

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and if you think you're going to do that brother that's that's not the government I signed up for

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that's not the constitution I signed up for I didn't go to war to allow you to do that because now

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don't look now but you're you're the enemy right yeah and and they have hijacked what the values of

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our country are and they're making decisions they don't have the authority to make right when

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they're not informing Congress they're not informing the president and they're lying that's a

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problem I don't care what you you can you can justify it all day long I don't give a crap what

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your answer is it's still wrong you they are balls and things you have to abide by and so when

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you see that action of people trying to defame somebody yeah um that is egregious and to me

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look out because you're you're you're now going into to to to a territory here into some very

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dangerous waters that uh you know you're you're doing things that are against the very ethos

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of what it means to be a free society and you don't have that permission and by the way I went to

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war for before I don't think I'll do it again that's you know you are our Congress and our

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our executive branch deserves better and if you are some mid-level bureaucrat making decisions

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on behalf of the president and Congress for which you're not allowed to make watch out baby

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you can have some serious explaining to do as we like to say yeah and and rightfully so I think I

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think you know the the pursuit of of that and especially in defense of people who have given up

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something for you know the freedom of people and the freedom of choice that people have you know

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I think it's I think it should be valued and protected and upheld um to to a standard uh that

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that I think most people should be on board with I think that just goes with that saying it's

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egregious like you said I mean I'm gonna have to ask 2027 no I don't know why people keep saying

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27 listen feel like oh lose said 20s when you were never said 2027 okay I never said that

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that's you know what happens is people in the internet who've got have got way too much time on

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their hands they they will clip together interviews I have to create a false narrative okay so let me

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let me know then then what is it is it um you know blood so says blood so has a hard date by the way

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he says Easter Sunday 2026 is like his date um I've heard people say 2025 is when we begin this

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whatever and like it you know it's obviously the gold post is going to shift depending on what's

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been said um recently Jeremy Corbell in his uh special in his three-part special um at the end of

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it said that the government was intending on having some mass siding or like a giant mothership

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come in and and and that you know this is going to happen and then 2027's been thrown around can you

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for everyone's sanity yeah sure shed a little bit of light on this just so we can stop being

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paranoid or we can start you know being paranoid um let me see if I can thread the needle on this

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sure take your time you know well I know a lot of people you know this is nothing new there's entire

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religions that are that plan for doomsday right the end of the world's coming then you have you know

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oh there's white 2k and oh it's gonna be Aztec calendar right and you know to

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now um there is some speculation and I won't say specifics that uh there may be something

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in later on um but the problem is I wouldn't go to the bank with it um and what that the specifics are

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because it's it's first of all to hearsay and it's also was yes there was an official

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effort by some people in the government to actually look at this data and there were some products

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produced that that's a fact I won't go into more detail with that but it wasn't 2027 okay and and

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it was based upon certain observations and again I can't this is I'm very carefully because what I

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don't want to do is people are gonna take this they're gonna hang on to these words and say

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whoa sad something's coming no I'm not saying that what I'm saying is that there were some people

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who were anticipating something happening and it was it was it was officially considered by some

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people based upon certain things uh and a product was written anything beyond that I really I don't

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want to discuss because um I think what happens is people take that and they take it to the bank

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sure and that's very dangerous um yeah you don't want to give any credence to something that could

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be on true right I mean look anything happened right a tornado could hit your studio in 10 minutes

[2:03:26 - 2:03:30] ▶

for now could probably wall but good right so we have to be very careful there's no such thing as

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absolute um but it's when you say something was observed that people's ears tend to perk up yeah

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I can't I can't I can't go into more detail that because first of all I didn't collect the data

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I'm just a part of that effort and and third and thirdly you know um that's not really for me to

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discuss but I don't think people need to be you know panic at the disco and you know oh my god

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and that look we've been down this road many times before let's let's let's stop speculating let's

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stick to what we know and if it turns out that there's a revelation based upon of us all working

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together on this and fine maybe it is what it is but but we need to make sure we don't

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do ourselves the injustice by predicting and and and predicating things I think I think that's a

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yeah I think that's a dangerous move and I think unless the government comes out and says

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something hey you need to pay attention to this then we probably should focus on other things I mean

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and and most people would probably agree with me but if the government did say that we might be

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questioning why they said that right sure and that leads me to another question do you rule out

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the idea that you might be being used to further some type of governmental agenda always always you

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have to consider that yeah um I don't think I have rocked the boats sufficiently that uh and I've

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made decisions that if that was a case I don't think they would have anticipated so I probably made

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their life very very difficult that's if I was supposed to go some sort of agenda I think I

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probably strayed from that agenda a long time ago but what if this this I say 2027 but what if

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this future revelation is something like that when it happens you know that you're not immune to

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that is what you know that like that might be yeah sure I don't look you don't know what you don't know

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right that's right how how do you know what you don't know so is it possible there's some sort of

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master scheme there to manipulate Louis Luzando and a few other insiders to to to get our message

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across it is but I'm also familiar with those techniques and I think I would be able to see at least

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one telltale said no one's that good where you can keep the secret forever I mean you just you

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really it's it would be really really hard to do have you ever had disinfo come across your desk

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um not at the Pentagon no I did foreign disinformation sure yeah sure it's a lot but actual

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disinformation on the UAP topic not at all not at all no in fact nobody wanted to talk about it

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so you know you're not gonna get disinformation disinformation is yeah usually when when people

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are at least talking about something and you want to affect a decision but when no one's talking

[2:05:57 - 2:06:00] ▶

about it you know but you're aware of projects are you are you aware of projects of the UAP

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narrative being slightly yeah they're back good they did in the seven look air force oversight penetrated

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civilian organizations you know in violation of do d 52 40 dot one and other rules regulations

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possibly executive order one two triple three and conducted intelligence operations and propaganda

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and manipulation against the American people by the way what happened two days ago a document came

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out from the CIA proposing it's okay to kill Americans if we want to go ahead and predicate

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a war and have an excuse to to have a war with Cuba and an invasion now think about that for a minute

[2:06:35 - 2:06:41] ▶

wait wait wait who the hell are you to propose killing American citizens for a political agenda

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dude that's that's worthy of a coup man well that's not American values you know you have don't

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look now but you've now become the enemy that we all hate you don't have the right to do that

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and this is what fires me up it there have been there have been some people who have made

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suggestions to conduct your legal activities to cover this topic up and it's gonna come out

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it's gonna come out in a few months it's come man just telling you um because I was victim to some of

[2:07:13 - 2:07:19] ▶

it when you when American people find out the length that some people in the government wanted to

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go to to keep something secret it's gonna it's gonna blow your mind scary yeah and it's honestly

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it's disappointing you know I I never thought my people I want to say my government because I don't

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think it's reflective of the government I think it's people in the government let's not forget

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government is made up of people right and there are some good people and there are some bad people

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and um you know that old saying absolute power corrupts absolutely maybe that's what we're dealing with

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and so I want to make careful that I'm not I'm not accusing the government I'm not labeling the

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governor mad at the government what I mad at are those rogue elements inside our government

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that are making decisions that are not in the best interest for the American people and a frankly

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that are that are against our constitution that is what motivates me to continue doing what I'm

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doing and if I have to pay the ultimate price for it then so be it I knew that while ago

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like I told people the only thing that's gonna stop me is bullet in the head or you know maybe

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and I got hit by a bus or you know a car accident right which has happened in the past um you know

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but I I had to pursue the truth and I think I think any real real patriot who served time serving

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their country feels the same way you know at the end of the day you know we owe it to the American

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we owe it to our government there's no excuse why a president wouldn't be briefed on something

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there's no excuse why oversight committees in our in our congress can't be briefed to something

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and that's exactly what's happened and that's a problem and that's not a reflection of the guts

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you can't say that's a government's fault no that's people in the government it's their fault

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and um they will go there's some people that will go to great lengths to to this information

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and it's not just the people in the government because what we've seen I think more frequently

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and more rampantly is these people who are working with the government oh yeah Foxes

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yeah media some elements even in the media in the media I think those tend to be a little bit

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more dangerous well we saw this right before this last election right I mean there were people in

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the media who who knowingly lied about people we just had a case landmark case against one of our

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major networks here where there was veteran where they tried to slander lie about them and defamation

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and he won the case right and this is this is a medium huge media organization that was super

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well respected yeah and it turns out there were journalists who had an agenda and and um then

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I mean look at everybody who's surprised by it right nobody right nobody surprised at the media

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would go through that links but sometimes we are surprised to find out that these other contractors

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are involved in things like this you know the big ones the the Raytheons the the Lockheeds the

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you know I mean there's there's a few of them out there um one in particular and you know feel

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free to answer however you want to answer you know because you've been asked about Lockheed in the

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past you've been asked about you know a lot of people are familiar with the Wilson Davis memo and

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and all the stuff that went on there about like the inside program and people doing reverse engineering

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what about eG&G where did they go you know I'm very careful not to mention companies specifically

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I went through a year process through the Pentagon to even reveal a few the names that I did

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in the book and I was given very clear instructions not to deviate from that okay um so because of your

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association with the Pentagon or because of their association with the nature I see because of

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their association with the Pentagon and that some of these companies who've been responsible for

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doing some not very nice things in the past um I've been I've been asked to you know have you have

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you are you aware of eG&G even being part of the picture I know the name okay I don't want to

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speculate one way or the other but I might have heard of what I didn't I'm not asking for speculation

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yeah yeah no no I'm just what my point being is that I look there's any time you mentioned

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especially in this topic if I mention a particular name there's liability issues right and and you

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have to be very there legal real legal consequences sure so unless you get it approved by the Pentagon

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like I did yeah um you got to be really careful you got the lawyers coming after you so you got

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to be really really careful and you know when you're someone like me who I'm living fairly

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modestly isn't that convenient for the government though like I mean it seems like

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it seems to me because these private corporations are protected they are protected we're not allowed

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to knock on their doors to find out what they're working on because it's it's private it's it's it's

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it's got um IP that we don't have access to and so legally and there is that fine line of like well

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I mean then you can just knock on anybody's door and take anybody's technology and and

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proprietary you know information but in this specific case and which is why you know people are

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trying to pass this uap act and trying to see that like hey if there is recovered technology then

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we should have access to it right you know Congress should be aware of it and and etc but the

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fact is that there is a law preventing us from doing that right it seems to me that that's a very

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convenient law well and this is part of the the the double edged sort of any capitalistic society

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right you have free and fair competition until you don't right and so in theory everything is

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free and fair competition and that needs to be protected and and I understand that and it's

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you know I'll tell you something fascinating here do you know where the word corporation comes from

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hmm I've never thought of it corpus meaning body body in the United States you can actually when

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you look at the tax laws a corporation has the same exact rights as an individual interesting and so

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when you have a lawyers group of lawyers creating this corporation this corpus they're creating a

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living breathing entity according to the rules and the rights of our country they have to be

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recognized as an individual and so they're afforded the same rights and only when the conjurers

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the great conjurers the lawyers come back and they de-establish a corporation and it is no longer a

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living body right it's a living thing and even then there's some rights that that that that that

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translate to that so people understand that in the United States corporations have the same rights

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and privileges as individuals just like a human being rights to privacy right so very convenient

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well it can be abused it is it works until it doesn't so I want to make this clear I understand

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why because the U.S. is a capitalist society and that's what how we thrive here and we've all

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agreed to that that's our social contract that this is the type of government we want and I agree

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we want the right to certify I have a company I want my company to be protected right I don't

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care what it does I want to be protected and I want my private information to stay private right so

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that's not a bad thing the problem is when it's abused and there's some gray areas and that's

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why you have rules and regulations on how corporations whether it's s-corps c-corps LLC and I'm not

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going to you know go into a class here about corporations but it's something I know a little bit

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about because I was involved in it and so we have to respect that and then when you have a

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corporation just like a human being that's got security clearances that's working on national

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security type issues they're even more protected right because we don't want adversaries to get a

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hold of that technology which is under again understandable I get it the problem is when people

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in those corporations not the corporation itself people in the corporation making decisions like

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people in the government are making decisions that are not consistent with the ethics and expectations

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that we have in these organizations for monetary gain and power mostly correct okay I got maybe

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maybe a couple questions left and then we're going to hop into the questions from the interns

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okay yeah you've been great so far thank you so much for sticking through this with me sure

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okay coffee helps by the way I can get you another one here shortly okay there is a documentary

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coming out that you've been a part of that we just saw that's been making the rounds the age of

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disclosure it seems like a big one it seems like a dops or dream team there's a lot of people in

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that lineup yeah can you shed any light on what's to be expected in this documentary so I haven't

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seen it yet okay I'm very eager for it to come out I have been part of facilitating a lot of people

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who are in that movie to come forward it's been a long project probably about three years now

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it's been done as most people know no sub-rosa right in secret because very important and there's

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people that are being interviewed that have never come out publicly on this topic that we've not

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seen on the trailer you've not seen on trailer I think people can oh you know what people are

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fighting right because some people come back and say wow this is the definitive documentary and then

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other people come out say nothing burger yeah because they because they you're not meeting their

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expectations right you know and so you know I'm very very quiet about I think it does it it certainly

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moves the needle in the right direction everything I try to do is to move the needle in in in the

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right direction I think this film project is another example of some very brave Americans coming

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forward first hand witnesses you know I'll I'll I don't want to give too much well I'll let I'll

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let the audience decide for themselves you know I want to be very careful what I say and what I don't

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say but I do believe it's going to change the conversation irrevocably and I'm very excited for it to

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come out are you aware of any new footage of UAP or NHI I can't discuss the details of the film like

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I said I have to ask on behalf of the audience yeah sure I have I have you know I have not I have not

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seen the film in its complete form but you know you have some very very significant

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information in that in that documentary J Stratten says not just J it okay that's right I mean

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that is interesting but J Stratten does say that he has seen an NHI do you know what he's referring to

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I do we have to talk to Jay about that I don't I don't like speaking on other people's behalf

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okay I've probably noticed that in other interviews I never I'm not a kiss until kind of guy yeah

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and I'm the kind of guy that you know if people want to throw rocks at me for that that's fine

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no I I respect that actually I think that's probably the best move there but is it safe to assume

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that you know what he's talking about I don't like to presume or is something great just have to

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have to have you yourself seen NHI

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let's just share that one to further later um the later like after this airs

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maybe never no again I am very restricted on what I can say and how I say it from the government

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I still am very loyal American and I you know this conversation is continuing and I think more

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we'll be forthcoming in time um and I'll leave it at that can I ask one more because what

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about that whatever you want because that's the one I want to know um how can I phrase this in a way

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that you can answer this um are you aware of more than one type of NHI

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okay let me see how I can answer this

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accuracy is very important

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um

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being aware of is not necessarily the same as having proof of

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Roger um some people let me give you some and does by the way even that proof of doesn't even

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there's a double it sort with that you know there's people that will say the earth is flat

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they're flat earthers no matter what you tell them earth is flat the fact that the earth is

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round is not a truth for them um you know when ancient sailors used to talk about sea monsters in

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the great ocean specific in the Atlantic and people said well that's not true that's just their

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observation and turns out that there are blue whales and great white sharks and giant squid um

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it was just our interpretation at the time that made it difficult right we said these are monsters

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well reason why people didn't believe it on because we called them monsters you said hey look

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there's a giant mammal out there that looks like a dolphin but it goes to got a lot bigger

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you know that's different than saying there's a giant monster out there that does this and that

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uh i know i'm being evasive on this and i'm trying to answer a question without without

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well what i'm what i'm gathering from this is there a potential that some of these NHI might look

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a lot like us that's certainly potential you know we we do camouflaging all the time and as i

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mentioned on on another interview some time ago um you know you can go to a zoo in Beijing right now

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to the panda exhibit and you'll see that the zookeepers wear these fuzzy little panda suits and they

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do that because they don't want to perturb or disturb the local panda the pandas in their in their

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local environment and so they feed them and they do whatever they do but they have to wear panda

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suit to do it now is that a panda oh it's not a panda's human you know badly acting as a panda

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and probably the panda doesn't realize it but they may be they say i'm getting food on with

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care anyways but it's an attempt to blend in um in intelligence camouflage and i don't mean

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camouflage necessarily physical camouflage like in a military unit i mean i mean um mental camouflage

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the ability to assimilate into an organization or a society uh is very important and that's how

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spies work spies do their job because they're like a magician they get away with doing things that

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most people don't perceive or see um and it's it's it's a it's a way for us to protect ourselves

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and to do things so um it's not unusual you know i want to give you an example and i'm like

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getting trouble for this so there are certain circumstances in the military where

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military personnel don't advertise their affiliation with the government uh doesn't say us army and

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you know sergeant johnson on there they go in with sterile uniforms and do that for a reason

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because they are trying to they don't want the affiliation of a formal government

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entity to be known um that in itself is a form of camouflage blending in with the society

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army special forces do this all the time when they go into a country to train individuals

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and weapons tactics and things like that you don't advertise um a special forces guy right

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they got the long shaggy beard for a reason because they don't want to look military they're wearing

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civilian clothes and jeans and carrying a clash of the cuff for a reason without getting into a lot

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of detail right so so is it is it a hard is it a hard idea to to say well look if something is

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visiting us would it want to blend in um you know there's certainly an argument for that

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okay there's an argument for that

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are are there

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is there evidence pointing to that being the case um not proof let me let me let me let me stay

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on the fence with that because I look I again knowing how people are predisposed to take

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information and run to the hills you know lulos and I was confirmed there's a just some

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of high bridge right that's what I'm trying to avoid because lulos ando is not confirming

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the existence of hybrid okay you heard but I'm saying is it a possibility um sure it's a possibility

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you know there's there's camouflage is is not just a human thing yeah animals in the wild do it

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you know uh fish do it um lizards and communians do it right it's it's it's part of our our natural

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ability to to blend in and if you ever want to see a master of disguise look at an octopus right

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yeah they do it for survival so it's not you know a con people say well you have to be a smart

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thing in order to try to camouflage and blend in not necessarily that's not true no camouflage is

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seen throughout there's a reason why my background is microbiology and immunology let me give you

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a perfect example there are there are parasites and there are microorganisms that are parasitic that

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mimic uh healthy human tissue to evade the autoimmune response and these are bacteria that

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have brains and high functioning you know thought processes like we do this is at a very basic

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elemental scale of our native of our of our our reality of nature nature uh is a master of mimicry

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and there's a reason why even plants plants will sometimes have attributes that mimic other

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plants yeah but we're not talking about plants well what but in the greater context you're trying to

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answer your question without answering you know is that a distinctly earth thing or is that

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any form of life sure that evolves to a certain point uses camouflage to blend it and we don't

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have that answer but it's something that's being proposed it's something that's being looked into

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it's certainly something that has been discussed it's not out there but obviously as someone who's

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in this topic you're also aware of the other kind the one that's a little bit more blatant in

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in terms of observation sure of not being from here right um are there images or videos of these

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beings um graze i don't want people to take this wrong way so i'm gonna abstain from that that

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answer and it's not because i'm trying to be a vase and be like oh look confirmed no i didn't

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um um there's a very specific reason why i'm i'm on the fence with this yeah um i'm hoping it

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becomes more apparent soon but i'm very careful not to commit one way or the other um you know

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have i heard yeah of course yeah the people that i trust and and known and had the conversation yes

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but i also haven't myself experienced that so for me to say yes or no

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is not so so what i'm doing is proposing if people are having trouble understanding the question

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they only have to look at mother nature to see countless examples okay where where biology does it

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for them? or aesthetically so is it that much of a stretch to look you know we have we have

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stealth air craft right now that can be confused as a bird because of its radar profile and radar

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return right and we do that on purpose um so i i you know camouflage is something that is

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is animals all life forms on earth at least have been been using that in mimicry since the beginning

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for survival okay we'll get off the n hi stuff thank you for answering those questions i know i

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didn't answer you know you know your audience could be really pissed at me for that but i i mean

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i think you're reluctant to answer some of these questions provides us with enough information

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and and i'm not going to assume anything but i'm going to say that the this topic is being taken

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seriously and i i i think i think that all options are on the table until they're not

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yeah and and i you know when it comes to pilots obviously you guys were thinking about that

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obviously there's a department that is all about the pilots if you're the nuts and bolts guy

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someone else is the pilot guy and or girl um and it was to do me more of an airframe kind of

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okay airframe kind of guy okay it makes sense but you know i mean even your background of microbiology

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does make it really interesting you know because i know i've i've had a lot of people approach me

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about that like yeah but it's not a coincidence on your background yeah i i i i i i i i i i there was

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another four-chan whistleblower who claimed to be a microbiologist and he had i mean this is

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something i could maybe run by you eventually and have you look at what he wrote but he basically

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dissected a gray alien and uh says he was at you know um i what was the what was the uh

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forget the location but uh essentially took took these grays and and and and you know

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from eyes to mouths to nose to the pores on their skin that's to create this like ammonia type stuff

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to the four fingers and the entire being and this was supposed to dread it and this is a massive

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file it's very complex to look at and i've shown it to experiencers and and to you know um

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abductees and and it seems to coincide with all of the the red flags that they've you know um

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perceived as well and so you know i would expect there at least to be is there a department that

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is looking into just n h i um without getting into trouble let me let me give you um i'm

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me asking you a question sure uh let's say hypothetically you know you're you're you're doing

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something and and and one of your vehicles crashes and so what do we do we do we do we recovery

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mission where we go it's okay we're gonna we're gonna recover our craft and and get the pilot out

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of there and um how would you feel if when you get back and not only is the plane been taken away but

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but when you say well how's our pilot there's oh yeah about that um we chopped them up in a bunch of

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pieces and and studied them um okay so what you're saying is that uh there's nothing left to give

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back right um how would you feel about that right and and what would the reaction be um again i'm

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i'm a nuts and bolts guy i'm not a biological guy sure through that but but that you're saying it's

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that's not a good thing to put out there probably not because you know how would you feel if you know

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that you're out in in the jungles and you your helicopter crash one of your buddies helicopter

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crashes and it turns out that the that the natives um not only you know dismantled your helicopter but

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wound up chopping up the pilot into thousand pieces and you know um it's very sorry about that

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what we didn't know um yeah that's a whole other can of worms if it turns out to be potentially

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the case if it turns again let me get it if it turns out to be the case you know that's that could

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be probably that's not a great way to have diplomacy right understood yeah okay uh interesting

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stuff man um all right we're gonna get to some questions from the from the interns probably a

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little lighter hold on a sec let me prepare myself a Gemini like long walks on the beach peanut colladas

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it's okay let me turn on this camera up here okay and while i set up the other camera i thought

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it was interesting that we were sitting with the person who's partially responsible for turning

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the term UFO into uap officially so i thought it might be time to make uap UFO again

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you can pick these hats up at area 52 dot shop okay this is actually funny because uh it kind

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of has to do with what we were just talking about okay oh that's cool survey says

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your key i think supposed to be an s oh yeah it could be what does it say here oh yeah do you believe

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any sort of cohabitation between our species and the alien species exists and this is from

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hex 0 8 1 1 correct sir so uh to hex 0 8 1 1 um let me let me throw this at you um

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most anthropologists agree that modern human species homo sapiens sapiens has been around

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between 200 to 400 thousand years our earth is roughly four and a half billion years old um

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according to to most the scientists uh and geologists and so we have really only been around in modern

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forms for a very short period of time and we've only been looking to the heavens with technology to

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actually allow us to look and only been off this planet for the last 60 years right and that 400

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thousand years and we've always been asking the question are we alone and we know life here on earth

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is prolific it's everywhere it's all the place we never expected to be it's miles beneath the Arctic

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ice it's in the bottom of the ocean by the black smokers um you know there's life forms at every time

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we try to define what life is in Mother Nature Wiggles are way out of the box um there was a time when

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I was taught that all life derived from photosynthesis turned out that's not true go to the bottom of

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the ocean there's there's animals and critters that live off something called chemosynthesis

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around the black smokers um these very very hot upwellings of of water and minerals and

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depotions uh there's bacteria that can live on the skin of the ISS space station where the radiation

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levels are through the roof and the extremes of temperature right and um every time we try to put

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Mother Nature in a box we we learn that we're wrong and so in our quest to find intelligent life in

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the universe in all that time is it possible that life found us first is it possible that

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because the same way we detect planets with their atmospheres someone detected us and said hey

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that that's a really special little planet out there we we need to figure out what what that's about

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and it's not that this cohabitation of our species is something recent

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is it possible there's a long history of there in fact when we were proto-humans is it possible

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that's some sort of advanced species was already observing us um you know the universe is very old

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and we even the earth being four and a half billion years old the universe is much older you know

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we're a third maybe four-generation star system which means the stuff that made our star

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came from another star which came from a supernova which before that became from a hypronome which

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before that became from you know so so even our earth is only it's relatively young in the scale of

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the universe um is possible that in our attempts to find intelligent life out in the cosmos that

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it has found us first I think it's certainly possible and products I think it's it's it's it's it's

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more than likely yeah we are not alone um okay next question here um see how this one goes

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so

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cattle and human manipulations mutilations yeah mutilations right cattle and human mutilations

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don't seem to get discussed watch your take on this and this is from senzubin yeah

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senzubin okay um we know of the observables in the Pentagon we always talked about the five

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observables but we've always maintained it's actually six whatever misbiological effects so um

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you know the word i think the issue here is word mutilations um we're we're we're we're

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we are superimposing two different things a mutilation is usually something very negative

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and it's usually a crime and so we hear about cattle mutilations why because a cattle is the

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sovereign property of the farmer and if an animal gets hurt or injured or destroyed in a deliberate

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fashion or whether it's by an animal predator or human or anything else it's a mutilation um

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human mutilations usually have something called uh human experience not a mutilation most of the

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people they refer to themselves as quote-unquote experience serves and um will will relay

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their very positive or very negative cessation but but mutilation is usually not

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not ascribed because it's not permanent it doesn't result in death like it doesn't

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in for a cow for example there's been some examples yeah well yeah there's some there's some there

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are some outlying yeah stories of of individuals have been with similar effects that the cows had

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sure well the cows are the horses usually the cows and horses aren't around to tell you their story

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right what we're left is with a body that's in the process of decomposition advanced decomposition

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in some cases that appear to have some sort of surgical precision um without loss of blood um and

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instant cotterization of blood vessels right without a trace of without a trait right and I've

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spoken to um an individual who worked for the department of um let me see if I should we

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tell him trouble he was a uh usda person uh who happened to be also a a veterinarian okay and uh

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so he worked for the government but he was also a senior veterinarian out somewhere out west

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and I had a chance to speak to him and he told me point blank look what's happening to some of

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these cows it's it's not natural predation and it's not us uh something is doing this and we're

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very concerned um within his his his office um as far as as humans um there are people that we

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have like uh Dr. Gary Nolan who focused on the biological effects whatever whatever however

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you want to describe that right however you want to describe that um where there does seem to be

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at least in some cases brain scarring and yeah to quite a thippewdom and correct so where

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there's been specific morphology the other question is we have to ask is it deliberate look it could

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just be a product of the technology if I stick my head too close to a microwave oven while the

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microwave oven oven is on and the door is open don't be surprised if I get you know severe

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negative medical consequences I'm putting my head next to radiation right it's not the fault of

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the microwave it's just doing what it does if you get near some advanced technology that you don't

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understand don't be surprised if something happens right if I'm at an airport I jump on a 737

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hey no threat but if I'm at an airport I jump onto the tarmac the runway where that airplane is

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and its engine is is throttling up what's going to happen well I'm going to go deaf I'm going to get

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burned I'm you know bad things happen is it is it is it the fault of the airplane now it's my fault

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I got 2dM close to it right yeah so um that's for humans but for the for the cattle part I mean that

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just seems right well so let's go back to the question cattle and human relations don't seem to

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get discussed um well not publicly well but but we're discussing it now yeah right and what's my

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take on it my take is that there are some similarities but there's also some very significant

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differences um from what I have learned them in privy to again I am not an expert on on on bovine

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I'm not an expert on equine yeah but it wasn't part of the you know it could just be like the I guess

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the because it's scary when you see these animals yeah and they're they're disturbing it really is

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incredibly disturbing and they're lovely animals yeah you didn't ask for that and you know when you

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see them in the state they're in but don't we do the same though like that not to be not to be

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yeah but don't we do the same to the animals we do the same to those animals specifically we eat

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them yeah brother we put them in a place where they're with a bunch of other animals they know

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they're gonna die correct and they we put them through this awful little little runway where they're

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forced to run down and next thing they know they you know they got a bullet in the brain or they're

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getting the throat slashed yeah and they're choking on their own blood you're correct you know

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when we sound the cat emulation that's awful well you know what's really awful we do the same thing

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but we also don't advertise that and that's my point I think for the same reason is why it doesn't

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get discussed we don't we don't talk about the you know deplorable conditions in these farms that

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these you know pigs get slaughtered in terrible yeah terrible yeah but we don't talk about it we don't

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advertise it right could it be that that's the same reason we don't talk about these cattle

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mutilation well possibly also don't know that maybe these these cattle are being selected maybe

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they're being dispatched or perhaps killed before that happened right we we're assuming and

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presuming it's all happening at once these poor defense animals have you know they're just being

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tortured that may not be the case at all it could be the being euthanized right then they're doing

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and then you know okay well put it there in a far corner there where it'll it'll naturally decay

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and well the human dumb humans come across it okay but it's what we're doing I mean it's you know we

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as a species do that we go all the time look we mutilate animals all the time I mean go to go to some

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of these I want to be careful here we upset anybody but go to some of these these wet markets right

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I mean have you seen the way some of these animals are and they're living and breathing and conscious

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and they see they know what's gonna happen to them dogs cats right animals bird you know

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cattle me live you ask me that's a hell of a lot more you mean than the crap we do yep all right good

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take I like it and we do it to ourselves too unfortunately that is true too um okay last one from

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the audience here that's a good one for your game shop I love it it said I'm an old I'm old

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school so I remember actual the the shows the game shows that did the train stations yeah what is

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more interesting regarding the uap's and related phenomena the sky or the sea wow and this is from

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Dennis W Dennis W good question all of them were good um let me see what can do this well interesting

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is subjective right so if you're if you're if you're if you're in between well it's most people if

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you're an aerospace person then the atmosphere I mean to you this question is directed for you

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no but I'm saying here I'm looking at it through a specific lens I'm caveat

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I'm sorry okay so people know that I'm not the reason why my perspective is the way it is because

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it's to me in my background okay I got you so if you come from an aerospace background the things

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in the sky are very very interesting if you come from an oceanographic perspective let's say

[2:43:13 - 2:43:17] ▶

like Tim guy dead then the undersea things seem to be more more interesting because you are

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at expert in those areas and when you see the uap performing the way they're performing um whether

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you're an aerospace guy or an undersea guy it's pretty pretty amazing right so you're like oh wow

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how is that probably yeah the air stuff is interesting but the water is so dense and you can how's

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that possible right in the aerospace guys yeah but we're going to these things are coming in from

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outer space and and do you understand the physics involved and so um it's important to caveat

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that because it one is not more important than the other it's no different than you driving your

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what's more interesting when you're driving your car do you like driving your car in the rain or

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the snow well it depends you know if you're not used to driving in the rain you'd rather driving

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the snow if you're not used to driving a snow much rather driving you know am I from Florida

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am I from Buffalo New York right so it's going to be different for for people with this background for

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me uh I find I find very interesting the the the stuff that is is is in the sky but but not for

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the reason you might think not because of my background aerospace because frankly it's a cop

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out it's easier to collect the data for me it's look we've got so much things airborne capability

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spaceborne capability ground capability radars and all this other stuff and it's easier to collect

[2:44:31 - 2:44:37] ▶

the data and more people see it underwater it's very tough and unless you have a collection capability

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right there chances are you're not going to catch it so it's not as frequent and not as often it

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doesn't mean it doesn't happen just as much it just means that we don't have the persistent surveillance

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capabilities that we do above the water and people look we're terrestrial thing we live on land right

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we can see the sky we don't live underwater we're not a fish or a shark right so

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so for me I find what's in the sky very interesting but only because the data is more available

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and it's easier to make a determination what is conventional technology someone's being

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you they're confused between that non-section and airplane 737 was way to LA or that is a satellite

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or that's part of starlinker that's part of a whatever the maybe um versus undersea

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more of a puzzle up there it's more of a puzzle up there underwater we have less information but it's

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also to be more scary because it means it's a lot closer right but these things are from the ocean

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now it's like wait a minute we're neighbors you know yeah next time I'm on a carnival cruise ship

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you know heading to the Caribbean is it possible one of these things are below us right you know

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that's an awfully deep ocean like I said and it's it's it's interesting to consider it's a really

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good question but my answer is keep in mind it's it's subject phase subjective yeah be it's

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unqualified because I'm not an expert in the ocean sure and and see it's it's a cop out for me

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because it's easier there's just something more data for me to go through yep all right great answer

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