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I can conclusively say that this was filmed by the government.
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I found out that they were there asking their set of questions,
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that there was literally a conga line of three-letter agency people
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waiting to go into that interview suite to ask that being questions.
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We found a person that claims, a woman that claims she transcribed the index cards into notes.
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And I will tell you what she said about this being.
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What he did was forwarded me an email that was sent to him from someone he knew inside the DIA.
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And it says, here's what I know about that film.
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It was classified as an unauthorized viewing.
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This film was filmed on April 22, 1991 at 3.15 in the afternoon
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on behalf of the Department of Naval Intelligence,
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coordinated by the Defense Intelligence Agency.
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He said it was a clone extraterrestrial biological entity, type 2, from the Tau Ceti star system.
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Here's were the men in the room.
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The first name was Rear Admiral Ned Schaefer.
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Captain Lowell Jacoby.
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He becomes director of DIA.
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Dr. Craig McPherson.
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Robert Donovan, Army Intel.
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Dr. Wilford Webb Wilson.
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The next name on the list was Carthusian Monk 1, Carthusian Monk 2.
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Yes, we're now in the Da Vinci Code.
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There is a monastery in Vermont.
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It's called the Charter House Transformational Monastery.
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I have the picture of this one monk.
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I'm going to blow your mind now.
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What he said was that remote viewers with the NSA were getting this remote viewing
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of a white building in the far upper East Coast where members there had the gift.
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There was a total of six monks that they used,
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that they were used for counterintelligence in the 80s.
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Some of them were brought to S4,
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asked to do thought projection interviews with these beings.
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And he said that him...
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He said that it took a couple of days to describe how human beings live in our time.
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Seconds, minutes, days.
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The being did not understand that.
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This type of alien, they measure time in their experiences layered on top of each other.
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No one, no one on the internet has ever said this before.
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If you want to make a general drinking his coffee in the morning spit up, tell him this.
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The new designation of aliens is saber.
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I'm like, like the sword?
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He's like, yes, saber.
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I said, what does that stand for?
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He goes, synthetic, astrobiological, extraterrestrial races.
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Don't ever ask about it.
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And I am telling you, do not ever bring it up on any of your podcasts or whatnot.
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And I don't want you talking about other species other than the greys.
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And if you stick to the greys, you will be safe.
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So my story is I was about, I was 11 years old living in Germany at the time.
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My dad was in the military.
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And I was walking with a friend the same age, bright daylight, middle of summer.
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We were just walking along a housing area for the military families.
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So passing by our school and a chapel.
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And I remember I was just looking at a playground in front of me.
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And all of a sudden, everything went completely pitch black.
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And I was just staring into the inkiest, darkest cave sort of blackness I've ever seen.
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And then it came, everything came right back as if someone had switched the light off on the sun and flipped it back off.
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If that wasn't strange enough, I turned to tell my friend.
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And she says, did you see that?
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And the same thing happened to her at the exact same time.
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We were excited and scared, ran all the way home.
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And no one had had the same experience.
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Over the years, I've met one or two people that have similar, if not the exact same thing happened to them.
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And they were kids, too.
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Ladies and gentlemen, today I am joined by a very special guest, Mr. Jon Stewart.
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Former pro wrestler, ran for governor of Illinois.
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Like, this guy's done it all.
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But most of all, you've been extremely vocal in the UFO topic.
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Now, we're going to get into a lot of different things today.
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But the main piece of the pie that I wanted to, and the reason that I wanted to have you on, was talking about this alleged real video of an alien that is being interviewed, potentially at S4.
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And obviously, with the lore behind Bob Lazar and Dan Burst and everything else, all these connections.
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So I wanted to talk to you about that today.
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So first of all, Jon, thank you so much for joining me.
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Thank you for having me.
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I told you in our little talk before this, I think you're one of the best podcasts out there.
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Your sincerity rings through and comes through the camera.
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I'm not, you know, I'm not giving you a snow job, you know.
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But I was really thought that you could do a great service to my journey, which is all this has ever been.
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It's $30,000 of my money, six and a half going on seven years of my time.
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And I'm still telling people, I've got my hat in my hand, Mr. Magoo, Inspector Clouseau, I don't know anything.
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Please come help me.
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I still got to finish this journey.
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And I hope you can do justice to that because I have to be honest.
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I have not maybe at times communicated that to people where they get into a confirmation bias.
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There's something that I rub them the wrong way or, and I want to do a little preamble.
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And the preamble is this, is that folks, what I have said for seven years has never changed.
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I'm not looking for attention.
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I've had attention in my entire life as a pro wrestler, football player, political camp.
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I don't need attention.
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And it isn't for money because I'm one of the only UFO reachers that's still in the red.
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And it's funny that the fortune telling machine talked about finances because that's what I want.
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I'm $30,000 in the hole.
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So I know people like to get into the chat log and this is BS.
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Listen, you can say whatever you want about what was shown to me, what was told to me, what I experienced, who I emailed, who I caught.
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But tell me the story behind why you think something is not coprathetic.
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Don't say Jon Stewart's BS.
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I am simply the reporter, the journalist telling you, I've been doing this for six and a half years.
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Can I please just tell you my story?
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That's all I've asked people.
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That hasn't translated very well.
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And I hope that it does today because I know the way you are, your demeanor, your character.
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And I'm really hoping for great things from this podcast.
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And I mean that sincerely.
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And I appreciate you saying that.
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Skepticism, I think, is healthy.
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And I, too, practice skepticism.
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And I'm sure you do as well.
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We're both skeptics.
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And it's really healthy.
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So today I will be asking you about a few things that I might want you to clear up or even the things that you're skeptical about, about the things you believe in.
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But as you know, as you might know, on this channel, you know, one of the, I think one of the reasons for this channel isn't to get to the truth necessarily.
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I think that'll come with time.
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But I think it's allowing people to speak, allowing stories to be told, unfiltered, no judgment.
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And after that, we can hold up all that sort of anecdotal evidence to the light and see if it connects.
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You know, see if we're finding points of connection and then forming hypotheses, discussing, you know, trying to dissect it as a community.
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But there are definitely detractors out there online that will, you know, simply try to attack your character or will try to simply debunk something out of an opinion or a gut shot.
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And I think it's difficult but healthy to remain balanced in this space specifically because obviously we're looking at anomalies.
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You know, we're looking at the anomaly.
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And within that anomaly, there are a million other anomalies.
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And so we're already looking at one, where do we draw the line between the others?
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And that's where some people, I think, get maybe you ruffle feathers in a way that people are like, I'm not ready for that yet.
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A very famed journalist told me six months ago, John, you've got a live being, puppet or not, real or not.
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That's a really hard thing for anyone, the media, government, UFO researchers, UFO community, to metastasize.
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That was like, well, that is a great statement.
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This is, we're not talking about a fuzzy saucer in the sky.
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We are talking about a very creepy, weird looking being, whatever it is, puppet, interdimensional, off planet, interstellar.
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That's going to be very hard for people to metabolize.
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And you, that's what you're facing.
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You're facing this confirmation bias of, I don't, I'm not ready for this to even remotely be possibly true.
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And that's fine, I think, too.
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You know, everybody's on a separate journey.
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Some people are, you know, still looking at orbs and some people are looking at reptilians on the moon.
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You know, there's a whole gamut of things to look into in this phenomenon.
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So I don't, I don't blame people if, you know, the alien interview isn't the first thing they want to see within this phenomenon.
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I don't blame them either.
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Go watch the phenomenon by James Fox.
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It's a good, nice, easy way in.
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But after you're done with the crafts, you know, let's talk about what I'm interested in.
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Let's talk about these aliens.
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Let's talk about the pilots.
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Do you know that I just got a, I got the shivers.
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It's because it gives me PTSD.
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I've been doing this for six and a half, seven years.
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And it's, you just did like a hypnotic thing.
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That's what, you know.
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This is, these podcasts are my therapy.
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And I don't, I'm saying that candidly and sincerely.
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This is my therapy too of talking through this, begging people to help me.
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But I just got a, I just got a shiver.
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Um, July 26, 1996, it was a Friday.
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This video, this videotape was then handed by, uh, this gentleman, Victor, goes by Victor,
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uh, to John Coleman, who was a president of Rocket Pictures.
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Tom Coleman, president of Rocket Pictures, who also created the documentary in 1997.
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Um, you know, sort of outing this whole story to the world.
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Uh, which, you know, uh, predated the obvious, uh, interview that happened with Art Bell afterwards
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And then the later interview again with Victor, where he shows up, I think a decade later.
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Well, what's nice about my research is that I have the backstory and I can tell it now
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because I put out my documentary, everything's out, which was great.
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Uh, which, which is great because I can speak to you now and don't have to say, I'll have
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to tell you in a skiff or something, you know, something like.
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Well, you're in a skiff, so you can tell.
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So, um, about, uh, four or five days before candying Tom Coleman the video, we have now
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since found out that Victor was making the rounds in Hollywood of television studios,
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um, trying to sell them this VHS tape.
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And by his own admission and by others that, that knew of this process at rocket, um, these
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people at these television studios, this guy's a little weird.
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Um, uh, but the biggest reason was no one could guarantee his anonymity.
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And Victor speaks of this.
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They, they, they would not be willing to sign a contract, pay him in cash and not really
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And, and, and, and he didn't want to be on, on the video.
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This is something no one under, no one knows about.
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Victor did not want to appear whether in silhouette or whether in voice changer.
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Victor did not want to be part of the video.
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This isn't just him, uh, shopping it around and, and getting turned down.
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This is him where his demands weren't met.
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And his, and his security wouldn't be met, which is my first, you know, my first thing,
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the trial balloon that I throw out there.
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Would a, because, and I'm so glad I thought of this.
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When this first came out and before you were in the UFO community, everyone in the UFO
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community told everyone that was interested, including me in 97, 98, 99, find out who Victor
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You prove the provenance of the video.
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If Victor is a, a, a paid actor, you know, central casting.
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Video's obviously a hoax.
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But if somehow this is the UFO community, this is why a lot of people run from this.
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Like, you don't, you don't, don't throw my words back in my face.
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The UFO community told me, but if Victor is a government employee, a military person, somebody
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from an administration, an elected official, uh, uh, a chaplain with the government.
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Now we got a whole new, we got a whole new ball game.
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So I have been living with this in my back of my head.
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Prove John, prove who Victor is.
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And I'm simply asking the first trial balloon.
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If you're an actor, are you, are you leaving studios because they can't protect your identity?
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Wouldn't you want your identity out there?
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If you're this egomaniac actor that most actors are, they want their name.
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They want their recognition.
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We realized the last studio head he talked to was Mike Darnell of Fox Unscripted Television.
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He just hung up on me three weeks ago because he thought I was lying to his wife that I said,
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this is John Stewart from Chicago.
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I have a real quick question.
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I think he thought I was a bill collector.
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He literally, the Hollywood people are very, very rough.
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They are, they are not polished.
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Um, they, the manners are horrible.
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And so he, he just told me, I want to go confirm the story just three weeks ago and he hung up on me.
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But Mike Darnell is with Fox Unscripted Television Department.
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And Victor goes in and, you know, Victor's a pain in the ass.
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He's, he's not easy to deal with and they shoo him out.
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Victor tells the story, but he doesn't say Fox.
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We found out that it was Fox TV.
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He goes across the street to a newsstand, across the street from Fox Studios.
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And it's a newsstand.
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He picks up Variety Magazine.
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He opens it up and he sees a advertisement for a Rodney Dangerfield comedic golf VHS tape.
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And he figures, maybe this production company, who's not so highfalutin as Fox and, and ABC, NBC, CBS, whatnot.
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Maybe they'll take a chance at this.
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Maybe I, maybe they'll be malleable with my demands.
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Sorry to interrupt, but folks have to understand as well during this time, like obviously the audience that is listening is a little more mature.
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But obviously today you just put that stuff on YouTube.
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You make your own channel.
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You don't need anyone else.
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But back then you needed to go through these gatekeepers.
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You absolutely had to for anything to be seen at all.
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So, you know, that's the reason he was shopping this around.
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He couldn't just, he didn't have a platform.
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And this is why I came on the show.
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I have been trying to tell people for six years from my knowledge of Hollywood.
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I have written three scripts.
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I have had four reality show go, go to pilot, which is, which is huge.
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They didn't make it on TV.
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I know about Hollywood blockers getting to these people.
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Chris, what I'm trying to tell your audience, and this is very important with the background of Victor, to get a meeting with a network in 96, the verbiage that you would know to, to, to, to be able to tell the blocker, the secretary, the receptionist,
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to get to a Mike Darnell from Fox, and then get that meeting in his office.
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The verbiage you would have to know would be beyond just a government employee.
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It was somebody that was familiar to some degree with audiovisual, audiovisual production, something very, very important to remember.
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That it was near impossible to do this without some knowledge of the vernacular of Hollywood.
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So he calls up Rocket Pictures.
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Tom Coleman answers.
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Tom Coleman thinks it's his brother joking him.
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He passes the phone off to Jeff Broadstreet.
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Now, this is where I debunk myself a little bit.
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And remember, I'm just trying to find the truth.
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Sitting at the Rocket Pictures office is the only Hollywood director that has ever been to Area 51.
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Just so happens the hour.
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I'm debunking myself.
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I know you're looking at me like, wait, why is John debunking his own?
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I, I, I, I've called that into question.
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I find that a little suspicious.
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The only Hollywood director, Jeff Broadstreet, who I talked to three times a month for six years, happened to be sitting at the office, was friends with Sean David Morton when Victor called.
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They bring Victor in.
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Jeff Broadstreet tells me, matter of fact, the biggest PETA, pain in the butt on the history of the history of the world.
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Demand after demand after demand.
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We've settled them down.
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We came to a financial demand.
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We said, there's no way we're doing this unless you come on screen.
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Reluctantly agreed to that.
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He was not, it appeared in the video.
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However, he was very uneasy.
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Was there something about the content that caused them to file it differently or give it special handling?
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This interview is terminated.
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The interview resumed only after a discussion of the ground rules.
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Have you personally seen the alien being that appears in the tape?
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But I stress I was not necessarily present at the interview session that appears on the tape.
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He was not a happy camper.
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Not there and not even in the phone call with Art Bell, which he also voiced out that he felt like he was kind of coerced into doing.
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So not once did it seem like he was very willing to come forward.
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Welcome to the program, Victor.
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I think it's fair to say at this moment I'm in defense.
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This snafu with the telephone numbers.
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Can I ask you who is at your studio at this time?
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But then, you know, later we can talk about this, but there was, and some people's contention with this, was the financial aspect of it.
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Like he did receive money for something.
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And he explains that, and we'll talk about that a little bit later.
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And I do want to address it because I think it's an important point to address.
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But, yeah, he was very reticent.
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He did not want to come forward on camera.
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Yeah, visibly angry.
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Well, unvisibly, invisibly angry.
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And it's funny because the director, Jeff Broadstreet, of the hundreds of talks I've had with him on email, he would tell me,
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John, once we settled him down, he was actually a chatterbox.
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He was actually very, you know, very cordial and very, and when, okay, you know, in Chicago we call them, you know, cacarons.
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That's Italian for, you know, chatterboxes.
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But he said just very scientific.
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And I guess I should say this part now, even though it's a kind of a, ooh, it's like a, it's a surprise.
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But he slipped about six months ago, the director.
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And he said, yeah, when he, when he put on the wig, because he wore like a wiggy toupee on top of his thing.
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And you'll see Victor's hair come down over his forehead like this.
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And there's a wig on top of it.
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Jeff Broadstreet says he had to tuck in his ponytail.
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And I froze going back to what, because we're, we're thinking this guy is a scientist to some degree inside these programs.
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I immediately, boom, think of Eric Davis who said that these scientists in the program, again, what did we just talk about?
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Two people making comments who don't know each other from 10, 20 years, eras apart.
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And they say the same thing that Eric Davis said, these scientists in these programs weren't IBM types.
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Eric Davis said, quote, they wore sandals, sometimes no shoes, ponytails, and they walked around humming Pink Floyd music.
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And I went, this direct Jeff Broadstreet just kind of gave me a nugget here.
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He's backing up what Eric, Eric, Dr. Davis said about these insiders.
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And that really just like stiffened my back like, okay, we might be on to something here.
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I'm still, again, trying to find the truth.
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I've been trying to prove, I'm talking to your viewers, that this was a hoax.
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I went at this as this was a hoax.
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And I beg your viewers to please understand that.
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So they put the tape out.
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It gets a lackluster response.
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I just realized that it came on the heels of the JonBenet murder investigation and all of that hoopla.
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So it was, and people call this the forgotten documentary because not a lot of people really truly remember it coming out.
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It came out on the UPN network.
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I thought it was Fox.
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It was the UPN network talking about the money.
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I talk about the money with this investigation.
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I come to find out in my investigation was put up by Reischer Entertainment on the UPN network, a startup network on a program called Strange Universe.
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And they use this as a one hour special on the Strange Universe.
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It was like a weekly episodic conspiracy show.
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I research and find out that everyone's got short pockets.
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There isn't a lot of money.
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I've heard stories, anecdotal, that people weren't getting paid by Reischer Entertainment.
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So my point is this, a very elaborate animatronic alien by anyone's standards.
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Victor's got to get paid.
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He's not getting millions of dollars.
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All the production company and Rocket Pitcher has to get paid.
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And Reischer's got short dough.
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Even Jeff Broadstreet said, I don't think Tom Coleman got a whole lot of money for this.
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So my point is, was there enough money to produce, and people hate when I say this, an animatronic being that we think would have to have had about five operators with remote control cables, dragon skin, rubber skin.
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Would there be enough money to create this?
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People were telling me it could be done in somebody's garage between 10.
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And there are some people saying a retail animatronic shop would have charged $80,000.
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Was there $80,000 back then?
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What I just described, people aren't getting paid.
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I mean, it's a short bunch.
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I'm just putting it out there.
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There is a money aspect here.
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I'm not running away from the money.
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I'm telling you, there is.
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That's a good point.
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Follow the money here.
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And the number one rule of journalism.
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And I'm saying to myself, I've had FX people come to the side and said, do you know how much money?
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Even at the low end.
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Because I'm not going to assume it was animatronic.
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Because at the low end, it would have been manipulated by multiple people, Muppet style.
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You know, even then, it seems like the experts in puppetry acknowledge that it was skillfully done.
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That like, now, the experts in puppetry don't believe for a second this is an alien.
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Well, the ones in the movie.
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In the documentary in 97.
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Those two gentlemen, they don't believe it.
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But it's also potentially, as Victor does point out eventually, in their best interest to say that I can make it better.
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And the one animatronic person said, now think about this.
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I'm a retired car dealer.
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If I tell you, well, I know that's a Toyota Corolla, but there's something about it that I don't understand that I can't say it's a Toyota Corolla.
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You'd be like, what do you want?
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Because there was that.
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The special effects person said, it does one move.
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This is a top Hollywood special effects person.
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Says on camera, but it does one move.
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I can't figure out how they did it.
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Criswell thought the alien exhibited movements that would be difficult to fake.
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There are moments when this looks very real.
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And I don't know how they did certain little things about this.
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So right when I would say that it's definitely a puppet, he moves a certain way or he'll lift up in the frame and all that.
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And all these little things are important to the, you know...
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To the character of him.
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This animatronic alien does a this.
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It's moving this way while it's turning its head this way.
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There can't be a hand inside the mouth because the chin is only three fingers wide.
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And we've showed part of it where there is really no one in the back of the head from what we can see.
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I'm just speculating here.
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So it would have to be a five-person animatronic.
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We show the mouth going open like that, which is alarming to me.
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I'm just simply stating this.
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I'm not trying to...
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The money for that high-tech, obviously high-tech alien, I just don't see where it came from.
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It's the one argument that can be made.
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Obviously, we're ruling out CGI.
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So the only argument left is puppeteering.
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That is the only argument left.
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And if you look at it, it does seem like either an incredibly skillful puppeteering act or animatronics.
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At the low end, a renowned puppeteer behind...
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Plus, even making it, like you said, in a way that you could manipulate it,
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might in itself be a feat to behold.
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And he's never come forward.
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That's much like the idea of...
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And we'll get into this maybe a little bit later, but the Skinny Bob video that keeps cropping up as well.
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A lot of people say the same thing about that.
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There's no set photos.
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There's no costume leaks.
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There's no mold anywhere.
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Like mold of a cast of any of the costumes.
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And so, to me, I always think, you know, even if you look at...
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One of the movies, I think it was.
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Or where there was this lab of bodies that they had.
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And eventually, set photos would surface.
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And then people would share them as if they were real.
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And then they'd debunk them.
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Because they didn't know it's from the set of X-Files.
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But just to say that, like, when you're on these sets and they're quite elaborate,
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you know, you can go from anywhere from like 10 to 50 people at a time being a part of that.
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And that's a lot to contain for such a...
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You know, for somebody just trying to get a small check.
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I drove the people to the studio.
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The people at the studio or the soundstage.
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The person that made that bizarre monitor, which I think is the bombshell.
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No one in Hollywood, including the animatronic person, has come forward at a pool party
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to try and make it with some girl to be like, I made that be...
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That has never happened with any hoax.
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That if there is, I'm wrong.
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That's never happened.
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It's a little ludicrous to think that it was done for money, I think.
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I think that argument we can probably rule out.
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As you said, it doesn't really add up.
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I'm so glad I'm here.
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But the argument that...
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But the argument that still does hold up for a lot of people is PSYOP, right?
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That is the biggest argument to be made about this case.
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So why would someone want to create a PSYOP?
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Well, if you look at the day or the date that this video came out, it was a few short months
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after the Varginia crash that happened in Varginia, Brazil, where the American military,
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Air Force, showed up in Brazil to haul off a bunch of aliens and retrieve a downed craft.
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What better way to sort of misdirect the audience is to leak an alleged interaction with a being
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and have people sort of question?
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I'm not saying that that's the case.
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I'm not saying that it's real, that it's not real, that it's a PSYOP.
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I'm saying, for me, the only valid argument other than it being real is some insane PSYOP.
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And that, to me, is just as valuable in this context because what are you covering up?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, why would you spend so much money in PSYOPing people into thinking aliens are real?
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What are you actually hiding that's worse than aliens?
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And so, yeah, that's just the only point I wanted to make there.
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Thank you for bringing up the conclusion of my, no, I completely agree that, and I hope
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people appreciate this, that after all of this money and all of this time, I can conclusively
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say that this was filmed by the government, whether it was a PSYOP or whether it was an
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actual extraterrestrial.
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I have had two insiders, and we will get to this, who tell me, you know, don't, one
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of them is Stephen Greer.
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Don't be disappointed.
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When you find out it was a recreation of an actual event, a PSYOP, well, first of all,
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you're not going to hurt my feelings because I don't care.
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I want to know the truth.
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And I am telling you because the coding on the bottom, the DNI, Department of Naval Intelligence,
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which I'm so proud of me and my team for proving Bob Lazar's story on that angle, that the number
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27, that there is, that I am 99% positive that it was filmed by the United States government.
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If you want me to shock everyone and, and, and 25% now that it could be, it could have been
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done for a PSYOP of a, yeah, we couldn't show you a real alien, but we've created this and
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we did try and have disclosure.
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What do you mean you want to put me in Leavenworth for 30 years?
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I did approve that, that video release.
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I tried to show you, but I don't, I didn't have the security clearance from the president
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to show you a real alien.
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We are, we are definitely, um, under the, the, the distinct possibility that that is a
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Is, do you think that if it was a PSYOP that Victor was kept in the dark?
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Because for it to be a successful PSYOP, Victor getting caught lying would have been a big
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Um, they would have had to kept him in the dark.
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So he, by all means, thinks that it is a real alien and was being told.
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Good, great question.
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We were, we have been told that.
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Like a planned leak.
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We, we have been told that, that Victor was chosen to do this if it was, if it was a PSYOP.
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I only have two people telling me it was a PSYOP, not Greer and this other person that
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said, don't be disappointed.
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I'm talking actual people.
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That Victor was a disenfranchised employee.
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What's funny about the Bob Lazar story is that I have basically threaded, thread, put
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together this mosaic of S4 and this draconian, um, oppressive regime down there that really
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turned a lot of people, this cabal into getting somehow information out from the
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And when you talk about the draconian security measures that Bob Lazar talks about, we have,
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we have multiple people telling us that that has, that is something that is, that turned
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people off to, to, um, to, um, to, to leak information.
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And we have two people telling us that Victor was disenfranchised and that someone from Majestic
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12 as part of a public acclimation program.
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I'm just telling you what I was told on this.
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That, that it was allowed to happen.
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I don't believe that.
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I don't think anybody, I don't think intelligence lets you, I don't think intelligence does this
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and, you know, go ahead and take it.
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You know, I, I've got a great, I've got a great, um, quotation.
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Um, and I'm so glad I, I, I, in classified programs, when you have security lapses, it's
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at the end of the, the, the classified program.
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Access lists are updated.
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And oversight changes.
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Victor said this was, there was a drop in security.
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To go from analog to digital and that's when he was allowed to copy this footage.
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So just to catch people up, um, the tape itself, the reason why he was allowed, because
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this is a big piece of information here that people were like, why would they just allow
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him to take a VHS of an alien and sneak it out?
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Which it wasn't a VHS tape, but go ahead.
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What kind of tape was it?
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Well, that's, that's the other thing that goes to the government filming.
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We, we have experts.
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One of them from National Geographic that said, definite original 16 millimeter.
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Only people filming on 16 millimeter in 1991 or even 96 would have been the government.
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It was very hard, very cumbersome.
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We can't find any, um, producers that would film on 16 millimeter.
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Um, so, and, and, but we did find out.
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And the government's audio visual.
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And because nothing was digitized yet.
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You see the old Roswell cameraman with the two reels that was still being used when,
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when, uh, Victor said this was filmed in 91, which we, we have also been told with the,
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with the leaked statement that I will talk about that April 22nd of 1991.
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And in 91, yes, they were using VHS tape.
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Um, they were also on the audio visual department for many government programs were still using 16 millimeter.
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And so then during the transfer of tape to digital, which, you know, most media companies had to deal with,
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or every media company that had to stay afloat, basically everybody that had anything on tape had to eventually digitize it.
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And it was a, it's a laborious process.
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I've done it myself.
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I've got real canisters down here that I've had digitized expensive.
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Uh, it's not perfect even today.
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And so during that time, yeah, you could see, because imagine smuggling something out.
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Like it would have been just the highest security ever.
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So it would have had to have happened during a time where there was potential confusion, uh, perhaps like a government shutdown or like any,
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anything in, in this pocket would have been like the perfect storm to get one of these things out.
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Well, it was actually, um, again, we'll get to the, the main leaker who I call the chairman, the letter that he wrote, the email that he wrote me.
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But this was let out of us for, and that's when I went, cause I knew you couldn't get anything out of these unauthorized special access program.
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You're waiting in the nude.
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You're, when you come, you wait in the nude when you leave.
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Fact, nobody's sneaking out a DVD between their butt cheeks.
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And, and Victor alludes to that also.
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Um, and I'm not jumping forward in the story, but when I talk about the email that I got of the whole provenance of this,
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tape was the area 51 cameraman was escorted back to the Groom Lake photo lab.
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He made two copies of the 16 millimeter film, snipped three minutes of it, put it in a burn bag and a GSA approved vault.
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And that burn bag was snuck off of the Nellis test and training range.
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That's how, so Victor, um, did he obfuscate and lie a little bit that he was the active agent?
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I think he was protect, protecting that cameraman.
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Or protecting his own identity.
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Could he be the cameraman?
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Now we, the, the, the name we've got of Victor, I'm not jumping forward.
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We have him on the log, the same log that I saw, Bob Lazar's name, which has Victor working for EG&G, um, uh, which, which did.
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Which built area 51.
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Which did everything.
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You know what else they did for the government?
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Highly top secret audio visual documentation.
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So we are very convinced that Victor was a mid to low level audio visual, maybe even the manager or the director.
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He had access to films.
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But he also said that he saw the being.
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Well, if you're, if you're part of the filming or managing the filming, you're going to be, have to be read into this program.
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And you're going to actually have to have some contact with the being or be in the room.
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You have to film it.
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When it's being filmed to make sure.
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Because otherwise, why would a guy with a ponytail, you know, just be hanging around this highly sensitive area?
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You know, you would have to be some type of expert.
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And the fact that you have the film and you say that you saw this being, I mean, put two and two together.
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And Victor, Victor talks about philosophy, the end of the world.
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I'm not jumping ahead here.
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I want to make this great point about him being probably the director, manager, mid-level audiovisual person for EG&G.
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He talks about eschatology, the study of the end of the world and religion.
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Just a pretty interesting story.
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We probably believe he had some PhD in film.
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And we find out that people that get their doctorate or their master's in film, also, most of them, a lot of them, those people also have a double major or a follow-up major in philosophy.
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I didn't make this up.
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I read this on the internet.
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So I just, you know, because he seemed a little.
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A little too philosophical for a guy that was a cameraman at the NBC station.
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When I read that on Google, it was just, again, one of those things I'm like, wow, is this really coming together?
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I would give you that.
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But I would also push back a little bit in thinking that when he did mention that, he also mentioned that he was nearing the end of his life due to potentially an illness.
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And the director said he didn't believe that.
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Oh, he said he didn't believe that.
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Which was a counterintelligence operation of, I'm dying.
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You know, but that also would be when you get more philosophical.
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So that's the story of how Victor went to Rocket Pictures.
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They go on Art Bell to promote the DVD because the viewership was not up to par on the UPN network.
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And this actor, remember, everyone's, oh, Victor's got to be an actor.
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This hired actor is arguing for a minute and a half that he was given the wrong phone number.
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And you're an actor and you're upset about a wrong phone number.
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You can't get through.
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And this, what we have found out about Victor, this pendatic personality, this precision mentality.
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It's the regulation.
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That really shone through.
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I just don't think an actor would argue for a minute and a half with Art Bell about the number being wrong.
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And I found that stupefying.
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And I'm not getting ahead of myself.
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But we hired two people from the Reed School of Lie Deception in Chicago, two police officers.
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And we also gave this to a retired FBI agent to watch Victor for his verbiage.
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Can't really his body language.
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But we can maybe analyze his verbiage.
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In the Reed School of Lie Detection, we got two people that, two police officers that graduated to look at Victor and a retired FBI agent who's a private investigator.
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Please don't look up in Chicago a retired FBI agent, a private investigator in Stockton.
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The FBI agent went, stop.
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Do you think this guy's an actor?
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You know, when Victor's talking about the primitive conceptual framework, it's talking from an alien to talk to a human being about the,
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the dynamics of space travel.
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And it would be like putting calculus in the greets and scrunches of a chimpanzee.
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And the former FBI agent, he goes, I don't know who this guy is, but stop.
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The police officers said the same thing.
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And then one of them came in with that word, pedactic personality.
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So I'm reading all about, I have a degree in counseling psychology,
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and I'm reading about that type of personality trait.
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Do you know what I'm reading over and over again?
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The majority of occupations that have that trait?
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You know, you don't do a dash of this and a pinch of thallium and element,
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and you just throw in a little bit of that.
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It's not very, yeah, he's not socially, he's not a social expert.
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He's not John Stewart.
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And what was interesting about the Art Bell interview, and I would-
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Yeah, I would encourage everybody to, first of all, go check out the original documentary,
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but then also follow up.
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It's a great follow up.
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With the Art Bell, and Art Bell, obviously, the predecessor of all of this.
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You know, he is the guy.
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And even Art Bell, you know, admits that it took 20, 30 minutes for him to warm up to
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Victor, because at first, he's like, I'm not really buying anything.
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This guy's very cold, reserved, shut down, being kind of rude.
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And then after 30 minutes, when I guess Victor felt comfortable with Art, because he's-
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Art Bell had a wonderful way of making you feel comfortable.
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You know, his voice was so soothing and understanding.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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And just kind of like allowed him to get comfortable.
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He started opening up, and then Art Bell, to his credit, was like, you know, I believe
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Art Bell believed him.
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You know, that's a, for me, as far as anecdotal evidence goes, it's a big one for me, because
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I think, you know, he spoke to a lot of people, and you can just really put your-
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It raised my conviction level that this man was at least believing that he was telling
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And I say that because, you know, maybe he was fed something that he doesn't know not
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And yeah, that interview was really revealing.
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But also, like you said, he was quite upset about the small sort of almost just things that
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And you're like, why is he so upset about this stuff?
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I'm so glad I'm sitting with you.
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I mean that sincerely.
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Does an actor go on Art Bell and answer, and I know this for a fact, answer an hour and
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a half of unrehearsed questions?
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And one of the biggest things he's pissed off about is, yes, we're not telling the public
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about the extraterrestrial phenomenon.
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But one of the things that really pissed him off was people that worked down an S4 had
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little personal mementos and trinkets on their desk, and they were told not to.
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Does an actor even think of that?
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He talks about Sean David Morton's newsletter, and he's correcting things in it.
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An actor from CAA or Central Casting is reading Sean David Morton's Delphi's conspiracy.
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I don't believe it's an actor.
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I don't think very many people believe it's an actor.
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Those who do obviously haven't done their due diligence.
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I think that, you know, the potentiality for this being a legitimate person close to
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the program, given some passage material, he believes it to be true.
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I think that potential is still there.
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So like I said, like you said, I think this does have something to do with the government.
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Either it's true or the opposite side of the spectrum, to me, is just as fascinating.
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Why would you want this to be out there?
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Are you preparing people?
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Are you simply misdirecting people?
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Like, what is the reason there?
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And that, to me, is equally as- maybe not equally as interesting.
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Obviously, a real alien is much more interesting.
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It bothers me more because you're taking my tax dollars and making a hoaxed video to
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Even if you think you're preparing me, you're making- taking my tax dollars.
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I've worked my butt off my entire life, and you're taking my money and creating a hoaxed
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video and deceiving people.
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I understand you want to prepare us, but you're deceiving people right there.
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And that, to me, is bizarre.
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We all know there's aliens.
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But we've got people hiring special effects people to create a really good animatronic
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alien to deceive us.
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That, to me, is creepier and is more bothersome than some alien in a random underground facility
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So, the story gets out, doesn't get traction.
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He goes on Art Bell.
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Kind of still angry that people haven't really caught on to this.
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So, he goes back to the producers who first documented this and really goes off on him.
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He wears a mask in this interview, and he's kind of like, just, you can tell, really pissed
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And breathing heavily in that mask, and there's this fly buzzing around him.
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You just see his annoyance come through, you know, and he's just annoyed that there's
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two people here instead of one.
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That he's wearing a rubber mask.
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That he's wearing a mask.
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How much credibility do I have when I'm wearing a rubber mask?
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And he's just kind of fed up because, and he really kind of goes off on ufologists and
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grifters and, you know, and that's not something normally a grifter would do.
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You know, you don't see somebody who's out there.
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Let's see somebody who's out there and just screaming at people for not doing the work
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they're supposed to be doing.
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They call themselves researchers.
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I gave them everything.
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They're not doing anything.
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Like, to me, that really raised, again, my conviction level that he believes what he's
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It's been 11 years since I brought out that tape.
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What follow-up has there been?
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Who among these so-called ufologists, these self-proclaimed investigators, show me one of
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them that's demanded information about S4 under the Freedom of Information Act.
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Show me one of them that has seriously attempted to confirm or deny the existence of the Alien
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All they care about is talking among themselves and making videotapes, making documentaries,
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promoting themselves.
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Well, you and I hoaxed something.
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Do we go back seven years later and cajole people to prove it?
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It's a hoax that never rang true to me.
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I just find that impossible that a hoaxer would come back and cajole and be combative
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Again, he's mad at people.
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He's mad at the UFO community, even the ones that take it, that say it's real.
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Because he says, you're taking it for face value.
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That pendectic personality.
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Research why you think it's real.
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Absolutely blew my brain.
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There were people in that documentary who took it to face value that it was real.
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And he's kind of like, you just got lucky.
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That's what he said.
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He's like, you got lucky that it was real and that you reacted that way.
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He's like, you didn't do any research.
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And if it's so easy to make that alien puppet to all the special effects, people make one.
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Go in your garage and make one.
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So to this day, this video, to me and to everyone else on the internet, you know, I've shared
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a lot of videos and a lot of things, so have you.
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And it's one of those videos that when you read comments from balanced individuals, it
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seems to surface a lot more conviction of it being true than many of the other videos,
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save perhaps Skinny Bob.
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Skinny Bob's another big contention for a lot of people.
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And I'm still kind of on the fence.
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I'm like, I guess my, I'm around my conviction level dropped for Skinny Bob quite a bit.
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It being authentic, an authentic alien.
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Again, not completely out of the realm of it being a psyop, but it did drop a little bit.
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But I'm roughly 50-50 on that one as well.
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This one, I'm a little higher conviction because of the nature of the video being like one shot.
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But what part of this video for you raises your conviction level on this being true?
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And what's one part that lowers it?
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And I'll start with mine.
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So the one that raises it for me is obviously the movements of this being, and then perhaps
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some of the stuff in the foreground that we're seeing.
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The things that lower my conviction for this specific video is A, the lighting.
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But again, that can be-
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You know that, can we tell people, that's not the way Victor brought that film.
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Yeah, it was bluish.
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And no one, why is it so dark?
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That's a puppet because the room's dark.
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That's not the way Victor brought that video.
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They did that for theatrical dramatic effect.
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Because it looks so much better than the blue closed circuit television style Victor.
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Victor brought a blue hue, and you can find this on the internet.
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You can see the alien's thorax, his arms, not his hands.
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Yeah, that is not the way Victor brought that video.
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But the other thing was the doctor behind him, and this for me as just a body language observer,
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there were two doctors that stepped in.
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One of them had a flashlight and was looking in the mouth, looking in the eyes, perhaps to see dilation or whatever it was.
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Actually hemorrhaging.
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Even in the nostrils, if there was hemorrhaging, if he was choking and they were wiping the mouth,
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there was stuff coming out of the mouth, they were wiping this.
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Yeah, and that's all very compelling.
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The other gentleman.
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Wilford Webb Wilson.
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That is John Stewart.
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But the other gentleman who is.
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Died in Watsonville, California, 2014.
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How do you know this?
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You talked to his wife?
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I got the whole story to tell you.
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No, come on, let's go.
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So what about him you didn't.
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He touches the beam where it is.
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He's not really doing anything, and it seems like he's doing exactly what I would do if I were playing to the camera.
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And that's what I read.
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I'm like, this guy's like, he's kind of like, doesn't know what to do with his hands, kind of like pretending to be a doctor.
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If I look at it through that lens, that's how I see it.
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Now, I also don't know how I would react if I had to fix a choking alien.
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I don't know that I wouldn't also act exactly like he did, right?
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Am I going to touch something that's going to hurt the alien?
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Are you ginger with it?
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Are there people with guns looking at me right now?
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Like, I don't know the reality.
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Dan Burr says how frail the beings were.
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Victor tells us that this being was at the end of its interview cycle.
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Yeah, it was going to be retired.
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It was going to be retired.
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Obviously, you could tell the being was slightly infirmed, especially with the respiratory illness that he had.
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And I agree with you.
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So, for me, that was, I think, the biggest contention is just body language of this second doctor.
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Other than that, I really can't find much to really go on.
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What's one thing that raised your conviction level looking at this video?
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And what's one thing that lowered it?
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That it is such a casually shot video.
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You know, somebody made a great statement to me that when you're the government and you're filming something,
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you're there to document something.
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You're not there to make, you know, Miley Cyrus look in the perfect lighting.
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That's not your job as part of the government audiovisual documentation, which I think is a great point.
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The fact that there is a red stool that you could buy at Kmart in Las Vegas in the 90s,
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sitting off to the side in front of the table.
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Nobody realizes this.
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You've just left a stool there in this hoax video.
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The hoax video, you spend, obviously spending a lot of money to hoax it as the Hollywood producer.
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You don't have the medics in pressurized suits.
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Because, you know, wouldn't you put them in pressure?
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They come in in short sleeve scrubs.
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Obviously knowing that maybe the being's not a contaminant to humans, you have a monitor that still to this day, no one knows what it is.
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And I could talk about the monitor.
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The erratic heartbeat on that is very strange as well.
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Yeah, we're going to get into that.
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All of this, you have two military people in the foreshadow.
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Nobody even realizes these two men were there until Victor talks about it.
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Until a guy in England who were enemies named Andrew Burlington shows the patch.
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The patch on this army officer, the combat patch, is like a dragon, a horse, a wing that I have gone through 3,000 military patches.
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So this producer has now created its own military patch that no one can see.
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You emblazoned DNI on the bottom of the film.
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An abbreviation of a Department of Naval Intelligence that no one can look up in 96 when it came out.
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We can't look it up now.
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You can't look up that agency, even though I've proven that it exists.
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Why would you do that?
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So how did you prove it existed?
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Well, I mean, if you want to jump around, that's my turn.
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Okay, let's do the DNI.
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I'm looking at, you know, I'm looking at obviously the only semblance of this is the Department of Naval Intelligence, which was on, you know, Bob's pay stubs.
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And a lot of people said, no, it's not even a department or whatever.
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And then I had John Ramirez sit here and he said, you know, sometimes it's a flash ID.
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So it looks like an official department, but it allows them to sort of go undercover into these darker programs.
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Prove Bob Lazar's story of the DNI at least.
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He is a schoolteacher.
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He's got a degree in invertebrate anthropology, you know, real dummy, and a Navy aviator.
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And he's an author and we are talking about another subject matter.
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And I went, wait a minute, Michael.
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Still have the text.
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I want to be clear, Michael.
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Not the Office of Naval Intelligence.
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The Department of Naval Intelligence.
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I'm like, again, the department.
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He goes, I know exactly what you're talking about.
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I'm like, why can't I find it?
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He said, it's an agency buried inside the Department of Navy.
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You're never going to find it.
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I'm like, holy shit.
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I wanted to call Bob Lazar.
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Bob, I'm proving this.
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Can you tell me how you know this?
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Before I went to, he's typing this to me.
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Before I went to Naval Aviator School in Pensacola, Florida, two agents of the DNI approached me to be an agent with them.
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I wanted to fly planes for the Navy.
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It's a naval aviator telling us the Department of Naval Intelligence, not Office Department, is real.
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It's buried as an agency in the Department of Navy.
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And he writes, got this on text.
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They're the spooks for the Navy.
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It's like their CIA arm for their Navy.
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One thing I will ask of you when I leave, can you please tell everyone how much I credit the Internet for helping me?
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Inspector Clouseau through the six years.
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If it wasn't for the Internet, my co-pilot, I would be nowhere with this.
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The Internet angels have been awesome.
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I don't know if he wants me to say his last name.
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He goes, I have a Canadian security conference brochure of the listing of events.
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And on it is a Colonel Carl Prinslow of the Department of Naval Intelligence.
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It was in my documentary.
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I'm like, I've emailed this guy five times.
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He will not return my email.
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Don't tell him what it is.
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So on a conference brochure, we have the U.S. Department of Naval Intelligence.
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His name is Carl Prinslow.
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And I mentioned names.
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I mentioned facilities.
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I will give you codes.
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I don't gatekeep anything.
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And I'm proud of that.
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And what I would like to do with this conversation is to tell you people, to tell you names, facilities,
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to let you know that this is all real.
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So that's two things with the Department of Naval Intelligence.
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What was his name again?
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I'm going to write this down.
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I've got the, I can send you the.
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I can send you the Canadian brochure.
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I've got all 22 pages of this conference.
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You know, it's like you get a little brochure of today.
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We'll be having dinner.
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After dinner, you know, Chris Ramsey from the DOD will speak.
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This is going to sound like I'm going to tell a joke at a bar, but it's not.
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A direct director level, former CIA, um, uh, what would you call them?
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Owns a microbrewery with his wife who was in linguistics for the CIA.
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My cousins take me after deer hunting and, um, they're like, ah, my, my cousin's into aliens.
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And John, this is, I want to say his name.
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And he told me what he did for the CIA.
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This is like director level, not a director.
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So, but he is on the top of the food chain and we're sitting, we're talking.
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And I know I caught catching him off guard.
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I said, can I ask you one quick question?
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He was sitting like this.
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And he was looking away from the bar.
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He was on a bar stool.
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I said, is the department of Naval intelligence real?
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I want to be clear, not the office, the department of Naval intelligence.
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Chris, he went like this.
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It's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a real, it's a real thing.
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And he caught himself.
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He goes, I'll be right back.
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He goes into his back office and my cousins and I are looking at each other.
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They don't know what TNI means, but he's, I'm waiting.
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I'm like, is this guy dropping a dime on me?
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Is he, you know, is he going to himself?
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Why did I just do that?
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It was very, very, very bizarre.
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I talked to his wife and we'll get into my emails being stolen.
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She tells me that she thinks it's the NSA.
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I don't believe in aliens.
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And we are getting into almost like a, a, a shouty match with each other.
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And I said, um, do, do, do you know, is the department of Naval intelligence a real,
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She's like, yeah, it is.
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It's just like, well, I've got two CIA people that told me this.
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I've got a Naval, a Naval aviator.
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And now I've got somebody, uh, Carl Prinslow, uh, Liv Prinslow, whatever his name was, uh,
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that he's on a conference brochure with the department of Naval intelligence.
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And I, and, and again, um, I have proven, I think without beyond a shadow of a doubt that the department of Naval intelligence is real.
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Bob Lazar said it was the company that hired him.
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I found out that it's one of the three letter agencies that runs a program under the umbrella.
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I found out that they were there asking their set of questions, that there was literally a conga line of three letter agency people waiting to go into that interview suite to ask that being questions.
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Now, whether it was that interview, whether that's the way it happens with all of the interviews, because we, you and I believe there's a percentage that, that could be a PSYOP.
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But during these interviews, there are agencies waiting outside in the hallway to waiting to insert their questions to this being oftentimes.
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Well, that's also lines up with, um, was it Carl Wolf?
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Um, there was a deathbed confession years ago.
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Do you know, uh, is it Carl Wolf?
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Uh, and, uh, this gentleman said that he was, he went to church, uh, it was a very niche church.
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I think it was the, uh, church of world of God or church of the world or something.
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It was like some, almost like a sect, like some small church.
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And the person he went to church with worked at area 51 S4.
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And the, the guy he, so the guy in his deathbed, he was, you know, he had TSI.
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Um, he had pretty deep clearances.
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Cause I think what he did was like, uh, just paperwork, something, you know, very classified, but mainly paperwork.
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And he's like, he calls him up one day and he's like, Hey, and he's telling this to Danny Sheehan on his sort of deathbed.
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He didn't even tell his wife.
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And this is him in his, he's hooked up to tubes and everything.
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And he's telling Danny Sheehan this, and he said that I was invited to go to area 51.
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He was like, I don't know.
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You know, the guy wanted to show me some stuff around there.
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He had clearances already.
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And he takes them and then they go to S4 and they take an elevator.
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Uh, they go down and get to a place.
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They start walking and he sees a bunch of underground hangers with crafts levitating off the ground.
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And then they, they go into this room where there's a, you know, one-sided mirror and there's a being sitting there.
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And he said, do you want to ask it anything?
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And he goes, no, you know, being religious, he thinks this is some demon.
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And he goes, okay, I'll be right back.
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And then he goes in and he kind of like sits there in silence with it for a second, comes back out with a stack of, uh, like papers and says, you know, he's done.
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But now he has, uh, these are all previous answers that we were given.
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And he starts reading through them.
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And like the answers were, you know, where are you from?
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And, you know, they say, you know, we're, we're part of the same galaxy, but our mission is to monitor this planet, yada, yada.
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And that, uh, you know, he asked him, is God real?
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And he goes, well, not the God that you think.
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And like gives him some kind of weird, you know, a roundabout answer.
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But that to me, again, you know, um, deathbed confessions are huge.
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To me, that's, that's the biggest piece of evidence.
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Of course, um, you're alleviating your burdens.
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You're alleviating your mind.
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You're not worried about any repercussions.
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It's the most credible confession.
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It's the most credible, you know, unless you're completely delirious.
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Uh, to me, it's the most credible thing you can ever hear from another human being, period, is when you're about to leave this planet.
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What do you, what do you want to leave this planet with?
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A lie, a joke, a farce, a hoax, somebody's cover up, some psyop.
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It's all very strange to leave somebody with that.
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But to leave them with that story.
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I just thought that was an interesting connection there.
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About the conga line of people asking questions.
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It kind of lines up.
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And they have index cards.
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They write the answers down on index cards.
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Let me finish with this.
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That's what started my whole saga.
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I'm running for United States Congress, and it's 1999.
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I'm not going to win.
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This is a hellish 11-way primary in the North Shore of Chicago.
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The John Hughes, where he made all the high school movies.
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The Home Alone Houses.
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These are all, you know, uppity, very wealthy people at a lot of the neighborhoods.
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And it's a free-for-all.
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We are destroying each other.
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Private detectives smear a national newspaper still to this day.
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And Jon Stewart was involved in an 11-way primary that national newspapers called the dirtiest congressional primary in history.
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Which kind of helped me for being able to absorb what happened to me for the past, you know, six years.
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I ended up endorsing a guy who became friends with, Mark Kirk, who became the congressman and became a one-term senator.
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He was in the reserves, and he was a naval intelligence officer in the reserves.
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This started the whole thing.
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We're on the back of the bus.
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John McCain is brought in.
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We're doing a bus tour for the district to hype up the primary.
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And it's Mark and I at the back of the bus.
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Chris, this started everything.
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And Leslie Keen once told me, oh, you found something.
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You touched the third rail.
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You were, like, asking a mafia guy the code name for a...
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And so I said, Mark, before everyone gets on, what is the DNI, the Department of Naval Intelligence?
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And he was over here, and he did this.
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And he's like, and he looked at me like this, and people started filing on to the bus, and it faded in, you know, to the buzz of everyone.
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And I remember going, holy shit.
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But this video might be real.
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Because I just had a naval intelligence officer who became our senator in Illinois swallow his peach pit.
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I'm still friends with him.
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I was out to dinner with him a year ago.
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He's the one that got me involved with Captain John Lovell of the Apollo missions.
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I'm not dropping names.
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I'm just saying, he doesn't know anything about this.
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And I've had, again, I remember telling the story to Leslie Keene.
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She's like, well, this is...
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Reporters have that.
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You're touching the third rail.
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You are getting the sense that you just hit a raw nerve.
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Why would he not look at me and go, what are you...
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What are you talking about?
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There is no such thing.
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And he looked off into the distance.
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And this was two years after the 97 documentary came out.
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I'm like, oh, my God.
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Because I thought...
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Basically, what I thought was maybe a carefully crafted hoax,
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that this thing could be real.
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And the last thing with the DNI is he worked for NASA, Bob Osler.
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And he called the IRS with Bob Lazar's EIN, the federal tax number.
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When you are a business, you get a EIN number.
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I have one for my business.
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It's your tax index number.
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That's how you pay your taxes for your company.
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And the IRS took like five minutes, came back on the phone, said,
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I don't know what this is.
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This is Bob Osler who worked for NASA.
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He was the one that called that one admiral.
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He said, yeah, we've got, you know, craft and whatnot.
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So there's Jon Stewart, the ding-a-ling car dealer,
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just gave you five pretty damn good stories that possibly,
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as far as the Department of Naval Intelligence is concerned,
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Bob Lazar was correct.
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And before Bob, I've researched this.
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The Department of Navy Intelligence was never brought up.
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But in my investigation, Bob Lazar was the first one to bring up a...
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That's a great point.
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...a Department of Naval Intelligence that doesn't exist,
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and to write it on a payroll stub and have a...
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And Bob Lazar created a IRS taxpayer ID that another person's told is classified.
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You know, I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.
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So, again, we're hoaxing...
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Chris Ramsey and Jon Stewart are hoaxing this video.
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We have a stool left in the thing.
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We've hired two guys to wear military outfits.
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We don't really put them in the shot.
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Their shoulders are getting in the way of the camera.
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We have medics that are not in pressurized suits.
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I was told by a cameraman.
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He's in my documentary.
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My good friend, James Mastery, he was a cameraman for ABC Chicago.
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He talked to me for a half hour about digital overlay graphics.
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I said, Jim, in 91 or 96, when we think this was a hoax,
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how much to put that on there?
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He goes, like a video production company?
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It's like, this took hours.
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You ought to cut out the numbers, put it on the film,
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recopy the film, transfer it.
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And as far as the transfer and stuff, 16-millimeter transfer to VHS tape.
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Is Chris Ramsey and Jon Stewart on a short budget going to find 16-millimeter film,
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film it on that, one take.
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Take that 16-millimeter film, transfer it to VHS tape,
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have this actor go around to other film studios, have them come back to us,
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and then finally use this crappy VHS tape that we have to darken for the documentary.
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Isn't the Occam's razor that this was taken out of a government facility?
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It was shot on 16-millimeter.
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Again, I don't like this guy, but his name is Andrew Burlington.
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He thinks conclusively that Victor, he knows the computer.
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It was a 1996 Gateway 3000 computer because it's got a white watermark line
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that Victor used this computer to take the 16-millimeter film or the DVD disc
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and put it to a VHS tape.
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So pretty interesting.
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So that's our DNI story that I'm really very proud of and proud of that I can tell people,
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don't throw Bob Lazar to the trash heap of grifters and hoaxers
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because I think you're going to get disappointed.
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Well, thank you for sharing that.
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That's a lot of information and it's a lot of news to me.
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So it's very cool to hear about this elusive Department of Naval Intelligence
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because as most people who follow Bob Lazar's story know, that's another point of contention
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that they keep bringing up.
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But as most of us who, you know, look further into Bob Lazar's story,
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we realize that give it enough time and Bob will be vindicated yet again.
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And I've got another Bob Lazar story for later on about lunch.
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You have to ask me that.
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Oh, well, the lunch truck, the food trucks.
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It's like asking me, John, as a pro wrestler, what did you guys say in the backstage?
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What did you say in the locker room?
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There's only things that you would know.
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There's a bunch of stuff that only I would know.
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So I got the monitor if you want to go over the monitor because that's a really,
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that's a bunch of stuff.
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I also want to note that according to Victor, this being arrived to S4 in 89.
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That's also when Bob was there.
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In the Kauaari crash.
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So it's, uh, it's, it's, well, I was, that was, I mean, that I don't know to be a fact
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Cause that could also just be passage material yet again.
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Something I'm very proud of.
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I have absolutely no idea, no information, no, nothing even, even, um, anecdotal.
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Of where that bean came from.
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And where it crashed.
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I, please don't look, give me the look.
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We found a person that claims a woman that claims she transcribed the index cards into
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And I will tell you what she said about this, this bean.
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It's a little heartbreak.
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You want me to tell you that?
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That they nicknamed him Oscar.
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That this was his first mission.
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Now this, again, one thing Victor, um, and I've, I've interviewed.
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I'm not going to tell you her name.
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Don't tell me your name, but who was she?
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Like, how did she hit you up?
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She, she, she contacted me off the internet, my email, cause I gave my email.
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Um, I'm just telling you the story.
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I want to know everything.
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I know that you have, we're talking a lot about S4.
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I just saw your, um, uh, your video on cosmic road where you talk about interviewing.
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I interviewed for three hours, a woman, a widow who claimed her husband was an S4 telepath
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and that he went crazy.
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They made, they turned him into a bust out the same thing.
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Almost like with Victor.
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I interviewed her for fresh.
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She was like, I found it fascinating.
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And I was a person that transcribed the notes of the tele, thought projection.
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She said of the thought projection interviews between the being and the telepaths.
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She's like, I'm not going to tell you anything more.
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Here's what I can tell you.
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They nicknamed him Oscar.
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Lady, come out here.
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Now this is what people say.
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Get on this podcast.
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I'm just telling you what this woman.
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No, I'm, I'm telling you I want this lady on the podcast.
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I'll, I'll, I'll backlight her.
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I'll, I'll do the whole thing.
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This moved me a little bit.
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So I don't want to laugh too much because I, I think it just a little bit.
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They nicknamed him Oscar.
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It was his first mission.
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He got, this is what he relayed.
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And what I want to tell you that there was a lot of, um, there was a lot of fuzz and,
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and, um, um, opaqueness with, were the beings really telling us the truth or where are
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we getting the right information?
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You know, how does it being, or is the telepath, you know, because they put pictures in your
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So how does it being put a picture in that that year?
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It was his first mission.
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It was a hard landing.
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And that he described that he was sick and that he wanted to know where his other crew members
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were, which I don't think it was the Kalahari crash because that was only allegedly two beings.
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He wanted to know the disposition of his other crew members.
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And the last thing was, it was that he was afraid of being there.
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And in that, in the, in the facility of us.
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This is what this stenographer, whatever, transcriber.
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My wife was there on speakerphone with me.
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My niece was there, who's a corporate pilot, not some nitwit.
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And we were like, oh my, and, and my two daughters were there.
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And when, and when the, the lady said, and she sounded a little Spanish, I'm just saying,
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I, I, I'm not, I don't want to just giving you everything that I can derive.
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When she said, you know, he was afraid.
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My daughters got moved.
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Like, they were like, and they, and when the phone call ended, my daughter was like,
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Eddie, you know, my, my daughter.
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They're like, Daddy, I'm like, it makes us feel bad.
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Nothing good about a great hoaxer.
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But there's also the, the anthropomorphic sort of take where, you know, we also feel
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the same for, um, uh, Stitch and Lilo and Stitch because he's a Disney character.
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And we kind of feed our own humanity into him.
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But, but yeah, giving them a name doesn't help.
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Giving them a name like Oscar.
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I'm not going to say anymore.
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Fat bald Italian wrestler.
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Don't worry about that.
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Don't worry about that.
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But that was, again, I give you the whole story.
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And, and, and it was, and it was, and it was fascinating.
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If I was worried about the people, those people, I, you know, wouldn't be doing this.
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And she contacted me after I told this long hour story of the, of the S4, uh, the widow
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whose husband allegedly was an S4 telepath and had the same, again, she didn't know a lot
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about the Victor story.
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Told me whether it's true or not.
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That her husband had the same, um, the same issue that Victor had, which was, you're not
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going to tell the people about this program.
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You're, you're no, no, not on my watch.
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And her husband felt the same thing.
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She said he went crazy at a conference table when they told him that they were the, that
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a, a offensive weapon or something, a system that they were developing was going to be used
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or could be used or, or being pushed to being used in an offensive manner for the military.
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He exploded, but you can change the world with this.
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And they, they actually threw him out of the program.
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They, they, they, uh, they, they did things she felt to inhibit him from getting a real
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She said he was a, a, an, uh, adjunct professor or lecturer, not a full time.
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She said, John, I'm telling you, two of his students from UCLA came up to him when we were
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out because they lived in Los Angeles and, you know, professor, blah, blah, blah.
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She goes, I know he wasn't full of it.
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Um, but they turned him into a bum effectively.
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Just like what Victor claims.
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You know, that's interesting.
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I would, very interesting.
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I would, um, you know, I'm extending a branch out here to, you know, anybody who knows this
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lady or anybody involved, like reach out.
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I would love to hear it for myself.
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And if there's any way that we can get some of this information out, even anonymously, I
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mean, that would be really interesting.
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Well, this is part of this, this for the past six years, people come out of the woodwork.
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They email and they contact us.
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It's, it's interesting.
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It is frustrating as well, because, you know, part of you is like, you can hold this information
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and share it with other researchers, but outside of that, you know, it doesn't really do any
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Um, and it hasn't helped my investigation coming forward, talking about it, begging people
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to help me has been awesome.
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So, but I wanted to talk about the monitor because it's great.
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Let's talk about, let's talk about the monitor.
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This little heart monitor that jumps up and down.
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So, you know, I'm not getting.
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Uh, sappy here or whatever, but I'm in my driveway.
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I just lost the governor's primary for the libertarian party.
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Um, my life isn't very good at the time.
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Um, in every metric I won't go into, you know, whatever, every part of your life, health, finances,
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It just, things were not going good for me.
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And maybe that was that, you know, when you get down, when you're feeling low, sometimes
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that's when, you know, um, when you hit, I would say rock bottom, but when you hit a
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low point, you know, sometimes that's not the worst thing in the world.
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Another door will open.
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And, um, I was sitting in my car and I got home early one day.
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I remember it was my, there was the, a drizzle was coming down and this, the, this video was
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The whole, everything, Victor, the video, everything was just bothering me.
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I, you know, and, and I said to myself, I've got, I've, I've, I've, I've come home early.
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I've got some hours.
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I'm going to find something about this video right now.
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Fact or not proof or not.
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I'm going to prove this is fake right now.
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I'm like, I don't know how I can't find these doctors.
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I can't find, I don't know anybody in ufology, the military, nothing that I started from the
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ground floor on this investigation.
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I said, but this monitor, this monitor is bizarre.
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The blip goes up and I want people to hear me clearly here.
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The, the green trace it's called.
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That's the technical term goes up and down.
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The trace does not stay on the bottom of the screen, which every oscilloscope, every heart
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monitor, every EKG, the trace will stay down and it will also go up and down.
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But the bottom of the trace will always remain on the bottom of the screen.
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This monitor, that ball comes off of the bottom of the screen.
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We've stopped motioned it.
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So it was very weird.
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Now, Jaime Moussan said that 15 cardiologists, thoracic surgeons all claim in Mexico that the,
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the heart monitor, if it was, was, was perfect in sync of that being coughing and going into some,
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which they thought, which they thought was a cardiac, a cardiac arrest.
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There was a couple of thoracic surgeons that told Jaime Moussan back in 97, that they think that that was,
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that heart monitor was showing a single ventricle heart.
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Now we know that what I've been told about this creature does have a weird physiology, a heart,
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lung, one sac organ.
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Maybe that's what it was showing.
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That's what we, and that's what we hear about in, you know, in other parts of this lore.
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So this is a, this is a cute story and it, and I love telling it because it, it, it's charming.
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It's real and it shows humanity.
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Thank God for the internet.
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This, I'm in my car.
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I go on the internet.
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Who made physiological monitors in the early nineties, right?
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When Victor said this was made in 91, I find two, two companies, Space Labs, not SpaceX, and Hewlett Packard.
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We're the, we're the primary builders, developers, R and D of, of monitors.
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I find this in minutes.
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I contact Space, uh, Space Labs.
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This is the research and development department of Space Labs.
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They did monitors for NASA.
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They send us the video clip.
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We'll tell you what we think it is.
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I show it, uh, head scratcher.
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We have no idea what this is.
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The company that made monitors for NASA doesn't know what they're looking at.
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Now I go to Hewlett Packard.
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Can I have the research and development department for physiological monitors?
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I'm like, well, this is, this is interesting.
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This is Hewlett, uh, Hewlett Packard.
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I said, is there John Stewart?
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I'm an investigator.
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Is there a really old guy in your R&D department?
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Chris, my, my hand, a bright hand of God.
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You know, maybe he doesn't talk to a lot of people.
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Maybe he's getting ready to retire, but he's been there forever.
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My, my hand to God, he goes, oh, we've got one of those.
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You tell the guy's like in his sixties.
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And I was very, very cordial with him.
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I pissed a lot of people off, bothered them with how fast I talk at times.
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And I said, sir, my name is John Stewart.
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I'm an investigator.
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We're doing a documentary, which I wasn't.
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I've got this physiological monitor I've never seen before.
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Is there any way I can get your email and email you this clip?
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And you tell me what this is.
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You know what you can help me.
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He gives me his email.
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This is five minutes later.
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This is after space.
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I mean, this is talk about the internet in smartphones.
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He answers the phone.
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And he goes, uh, a kid.
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I don't know what I don't know what I'm looking at.
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I'm like, you've never seen anything like this.
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He said, I've never seen the trace go up and down.
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And I don't know why.
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And he, he had a statement.
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I don't know why you would make the trace
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go vertically and not horizontally in the, in a physiological terms.
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It doesn't make sense.
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It's a little bit of a good piece of information.
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He said, uh, where's this from?
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I'm going to tell him the truth.
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I said, this is allegedly from an underground government facility.
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Please don't hang up on me.
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Allegedly, this is monitoring the physio, physio, physio, physiology, physiology of an extraterrestrial.
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He doesn't laugh and doesn't hang up.
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Now, this has been repeated dozens of times in this investigation where people do not laugh at me,
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nor do they hang up the phone.
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I find that a little weird.
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He said, that's interesting.
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He said, um, he said it's on an alien.
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Well, I think you're looking at a one-off.
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He's like, well, in manufacturing terms, it's only if you're trying to solve a problem,
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there's not a device to solve it.
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He gives me the analogy.
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If you're looking for gold in 1800s, you would create a gold detector to help you find gold in the
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ground on that type of, that type of, um, that type of, of, uh, methodology.
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And he said, if, uh, if you're telling me that he had, this creature has a one sac or,
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you know, heart and lung is one, one unit, um, a human physiological monitor would not work.
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You'd have to create a one-off that could monitor this creature.
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I took my iPhone and I was bashing my head to check me back in reality.
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Like this can't be happening.
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This, this guy is giving me like a breadcrumb trail.
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And he said, uh, I think that's what you're looking at.
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I think the government probably would have made this especially to monitor this, this creature,
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because he does not have the organs, as you said, of a human being doing the, okay.
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If you need anything else, you have my number, go ahead and give me a call.
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I hang up in my car.
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I'm like, I just do not believe that this, this just happened.
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I want to be a true journalist.
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I need another three sources.
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That's what I've always been taught in journalism classes.
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Now I find, I'm going to wrap the story up.
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Actually, no, I'm not going to wrap it up.
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I find three people from Sweden that did their PhD level dissertation on the history of physiological monitors.
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Now, have I gone to the top of the mountain as far as physiological monitors in a matter of 10 minutes?
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The guy's name is Sven.
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I send him the clip without the alien.
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I don't want to scare people to death.
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Yeah, so you cropped it.
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This is a guy with his two cohorts that's just did the history of physiological monitors.
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Uh, Mr. Stewart, we have absolutely no idea what we're looking at.
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And I simply said to myself with having a rudimentary knowledge of Hollywood is a schlocky third tier production company really going to invent this monitor that has never been created in the world.
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Let me give you the debunking.
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I call an FX person.
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Oh, I could do that.
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Well, I'll put a laser on a servo and I'll tap it up and down.
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And, and that's how I would do it.
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And what would it hit?
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We get a piece of glass.
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We manufacture, we put it on a stand.
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I get the modern laser from the internet.
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We shut down the lights in my living room.
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I start bouncing it.
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Yeah, there's a green blip on it, but it's diffused.
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It's coming in the back of the wall.
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So we realized that this was a lot more advanced if it's special effects than just putting up a piece of glass in a, in a laser on a servo.
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There would have to be masking of like the, uh, of the diffusion.
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There would have to be like so much more that went into simply that.
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This is the start of the writing the checks.
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I give $2,500 to Bill Mums, who National Geographic hired to do the analysis of the Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot film.
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Did I go to the top of the mountain again?
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I think he'd be good enough for, I give him the film, pay him $2,500.
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His name is Bill Mums.
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He writes me back and he says, definitely 16 millimeter.
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Ah, coincides with what we've heard.
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Transfer to the, gives me this, the speed frame, the 60 blank blank per second.
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I've got the whole eight page analysis of it.
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Um, but there's a, I don't think this is real, but I'm saying that on face value, but it's 16 millimeter and nobody uses 16 millimeter.
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Well, of course there's a problem.
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Just like the other effects guy.
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There's no creases under the armpits.
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He goes, John, every foam latex style that I've been involved in since the fifties during the drying process, around 75%, they let the arms droop down.
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You know, if they mold a creature and when they, every creature, when the arms come down, a crease develops in the armpit.
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He sends me 20 pictures of the creature of the black lagoon to this guy, to this, this video.
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I got my money's worth and I'm like, Bill, what does that mean?
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He said, well, it means that some unknown technique has been used by this rocket pictures in Beverly Hills that did a Chevy, Rodney Dangerfield golf video.
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This video production company suddenly devised a new process of breakthrough of animatronic foam latex dolls.
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And I don't believe that, what I just wrote.
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And he said, John, you know, tread lightly.
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This is, this is weird.
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I cannot explain this.
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He sends me the picture to the monitor where all we saw was the glass.
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He was able to lighten it.
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It is bracketed by a metal bracket, not where Chris Ramsey and John Stewart would put four pieces of angle iron metal around a piece of glass.
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This has got like a bubble, like a bubble on top of metal with a fin.
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And on the one part of the, of the bracket is a protrusion, like a cartridge of a bullet, like a, you know, like the top of a missile, like somebody had a mold around that, like something went, why would you just not put four pieces of metal together?
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And, and Bill goes, somebody made this.
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There's a reason for that protrusion.
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Said the same thing I'm thinking.
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Special effects guys would just put four pieces of metal.
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It's got the protrusion.
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I'm blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Have you seen the video about Whitley Stryber talking about your alien in the monitor?
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Let me send it to you.
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Whitley Stryber, 2014 at a conference.
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Do you see this video behind me?
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It's my alien interview with the blip.
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He goes, I think this is real.
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And I want to, I want to, this is Whitley.
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This isn't John Stewart.
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And I want to tell you why.
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Do you see that green blip on the screen?
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He's got it over his head in the conference.
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I saw that exact same green blip when I was writing the book Communion.
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I think it's the way those types of aliens communicate with human beings.
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And I would see it at the corner of my eye in my, on my, at my writing desk at my home.
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And I would try and put my hand over it and it would not cover the blip.
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And it drove me crazy.
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I'd put my thumb on it.
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I could not get rid of this blip.
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And I think it's the way the beings were communicating with me when I was writing Communion.
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But I have something to ask the audience.
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I have never told anyone about that green blip since today.
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How in the hell did a Hollywood producer in 1996 know to put that green blip in that video,
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that the gray beings, that is one way or possibly a way of them communicating.
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I never told a soul.
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So how did that Hollywood producer, and I'm asking your audience,
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how did that producer, rocket pitcher, know to put that, to put that green blip in?
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And I about, I about fell off my, my chair when I heard that.
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And, um, I've had other people email me.
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Again, I want to tell you the whole very quick story.
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Somebody said, I think Bell Labs made that.
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They turned the modulation, so on and so forth.
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Somebody else emails me.
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He's kind of known in ufology, Mr. Stewart.
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It's not a heart monitor.
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It's not a physiological monitor.
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It is kind of a communication device.
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But the gray beans give off a vibratory response.
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Now, we've heard this from other people, other abductees.
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We heard this from the S4 security guard, Derek Hennessy.
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Whether you believe them or not, they would put Vaseline on the hair of their arms and the back of their necks when they were around.
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The, the, the, the Bob Lazar craft in the hangers.
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Because they gave off a vibratory resonance.
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Their skin, their, the human beings vibrated.
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And this person told me that grays give off a vibration.
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And that box was built specifically to absorb, to detect it, to, to detect that vibration.
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After all of this, it's still not good enough.
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I will finish up here.
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I did find Tektronix.
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No, it got, got made into a comp, a different company.
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That's why I love you, bro.
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Tektronix did make a similar looking green blip.
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It's this real vivid blip that did not stay on the bottom of its, whatever, its machine that I have the video of.
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So I did find an actual human made machine with that blip.
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But it did not look anything like that box.
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So that, so, so when you, when you look at the, you whistle past the graveyard on the alien, it hoax, hoax.
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And you just hear of the, of the monitor story.
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And that's just one thing.
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You know, there's, there's so many different things in this video from the video itself, how it was filmed, where it was shot, how it came to be.
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And then, yeah, certain items in the video, certain, you know, potential costumes that don't make sense.
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Chris, can I say one thing?
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Would it make sense that the government knew what Whitley knew from dealing with the beans for 70 years?
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And the ones that we have devised this green box and this is the way they communicate.
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That's when I hear like the Whitley Strieber story, I say government sire.
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But that almost, yeah.
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But that almost negates the, the telepathy, you know, that almost replaces the telepathy then.
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No, that's not true.
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I was told that the vibration that they give off, they emanate a different vibration when they are in stress.
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So when they, and then someone else told me just a random ufologist that that was the beans way of telling the telepath, I'm trying, I am sending you something right now.
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I don't believe that.
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But that's an interesting.
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I think we should get to the chairman.
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Let's get to the chairman.
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In the list of men in the room.
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That would be really interesting.
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So there were a few people in the foreground.
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There were the two doctors that approached as well.
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And yeah, what do we know about these people?
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How do we know that these are real people?
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So like many things, you know, I've always been interested in conspiracies and whatnot.
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And I always know and realize, like with MJ-12, like with a lot of other things, when you go public as an author, researcher, investigator, journalist, sometimes people in the know will approach you, will send you things.
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So I go on the Jeff Rents program.
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This is one of the oldest internet programs, pre-podcast in America.
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And he writes me back.
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He said, I know this video.
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John, I believe this is real.
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Let's tell me what you have.
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The head in hand, the humble John Stewart, not the crazy guy.
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Here's what I have so far.
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I told the whole monitor story, so on and so forth.
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A week after that, well, I just want to say one thing before that.
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Two days, this was Memorial Day 2022.
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My emails disappear off my phone.
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My red, be specific because your viewers should get specificity.
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My red but not deleted emails disappeared off my phone.
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It was in my cup holder.
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My wife and I were driving in the upper Michigan, upper peninsula of Michigan.
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And my screen goes blue, black, white, black.
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I go in all of the blue dots saying your email, they're gone.
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I looked at my wife and said, well, that's crazy.
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I'm like, she's like, what happened?
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I'm like, my emails are gone.
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So I talked to the Jeff Rents producer pre-interview, which is standard operating procedure.
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I said, I just want to let you know my emails disappeared yesterday.
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Oh, that happens all the time.
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A lot of our guests.
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He goes, John, we're monitored.
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A lot of these podcasts and radio shows are monitored.
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This happens all the time.
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And, you know, you and Jeff and I have been emailing back and forth for two weeks.
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You must have been on somebody's radar.
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Don't worry about it.
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I'm like, well, I am not a UFO guy.
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I am worried about it.
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He's like, Mr. Stewart, just relax.
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This has happened before.
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Jeff Rents is producer.
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About 10 days later in June, I get an email from a person.
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And he said, I caught your interview on the Jeff Rents program.
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He had some things right.
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He had some things wrong.
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I am knowledgeable of these programs.
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I'm not in these programs, but I have knowledge.
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And I know people in these programs, and I'll never forget this line.
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If I can give your investigation a nudge, I will.
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Doesn't sign his name or anything.
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Once a month, very important to know this.
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Once a month, I get an email from him.
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Or caught you on another podcast.
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You got this wrong or that wrong.
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Very, I would say, light, topical things.
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This is an interesting exchange.
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You have to know this.
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So this is about nine months later.
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On my birthday, I get from the horse's mouth.
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Now, I'm a public figure, pro wrestler, but it's hard to find my birthday.
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I just find it funny.
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On my birthday, on a Friday, I get this email from the horse's mouth.
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And it's his email address.
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And I want to be very specific here.
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He's obviously an old, well, I know who he is now, but he is an old person, older person in his 70s.
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Not technically savvy.
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What he did was forwarded me an email that was sent to him from someone he knew inside the DIA.
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What we have found out is the Defense Intelligence Agency runs all things, alien, extraterrestrial,
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project Aquarius out at Papoose Lake and the Nellis Test and Training Facility.
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DIA runs the umbrella program.
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And under that umbrella program is NSA, DOE, DNI, Navy, Air Force, so on and so forth.
[1:42:57 - 1:43:07] ▶
But the overseer running this program, the Air Traffic Controller, Defense Intelligence Agency,
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who I found out was created by Senator Barry Goldwater and John F. Kennedy because the CIA was obfuscating and subverting them.
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They wanted a department to collect their own intelligence.
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And Goldwater and John F. Kennedy created the DIA.
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And the DIA, believe it or not, the Air Force was through with the extraterrestrial with Project Blue.
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They actually kind of put it up for auction.
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Does anybody want to take over the DIA brass set?
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Yeah, they took on Stargate as well.
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This is why you come here.
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So, he, I get an email from him, from this person.
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And this is from, so this is like Jon Stewart sending an email from Chris Ramsey to the UFO investigator.
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And it says, this is not talking to me.
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This is so important.
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This is Jon Stewart and Chris Ramsey, two pals, communicating with each other.
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This guy does not know I'm being sent this.
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And it says, here's what I know about that film.
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It was classified as an unauthorized viewing.
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Not a, you know, we had a big, you know, investigation.
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Unauthorized viewing.
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That's what they classified that.
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I think that was to water down that it was removed.
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And to anybody in the higher ups, oh, it was an unauthorized.
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Let's, you know, water down the language so we don't get in trouble.
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And it basically said this.
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This film was filmed on April 22nd, 1991 at 315 in the afternoon on behalf of the Defense Intelligence, the Department of Naval Intelligence, coordinated by the Defense Intelligence Agency.
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This bean was classified as an other gray.
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I have found out that there was so many species.
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This was so run of the mill that they didn't even give this, remember, round eye, tan bean.
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Instead of giving it a classification like, I can't even think of a scientific name.
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He actually referred to it as one of the other grays.
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Which I thought was startling.
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If you were going to hoax me, you'd give this.
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He said it was a clone extraterrestrial biological entity type 2 from the Tau Ceti star system.
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And I can't, I have problems pronouncing that.
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But haploloid is someone that has something that has one sexual chromosome.
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We human beings are diploids, two chromosomes.
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This is a haploloid.
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That is the only classification that I talk about.
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Because that's what I've been asked to do by people that are advising me.
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So do not look at me with that look.
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We're going to get to that in a second.
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So the letter continues.
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The bean became distressed.
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Once they, this really pissed me off.
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And I could see why Victor was pissed off at the treatment of these beans.
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Not that we purposely mistreated them, but that we were.
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After the bean was stabilized, the Department of Naval
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Intelligence continued with this questioning.
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Like, hey, okay, we've got him.
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No, don't worry about him.
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Finish your questions.
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And it took them a second to even get there and to like respond.
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And I felt a realness in that statement.
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But the realness comes.
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Here's where the men in the room.
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This is like the MJ-12 document where it's going to list military men's names
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that I've never heard of.
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I'm knowledgeable enough in ufology to know most of the players,
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the Helen Cotters and the Bobby Inmans and McDonnell.
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I know enough to know enough.
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And I'm reading these names.
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I'm at a McDonald's oasis in Indiana.
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My hand, Chris, my hand is shaking because I'm getting real.
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Maybe not real at this point, but I am getting names to this film.
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There's starting to become a realness.
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Now I put my phone down and I'm writing the names so I can Google them.
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The first name was Rear Admiral Ned Schaefer.
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Here's his Wikipedia page, his class A dress uniform.
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He was head of intelligence, the liaison for intelligence for the Joint Chiefs
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reporting to Colin Powell in the early 90s.
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Never heard of him before.
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Now this list is given to Linda Molden Howell,
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and I will tell you what she said about them.
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The next person, he's dead, Ned Schaefer.
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The next person, Captain Lowell Jacoby, Naval Intelligence.
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I go email him or Wikipedia.
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I look, there's his biopic in Wikipedia.
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He becomes director of DIA, becomes a rear admiral.
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I contact my one investigator friend, Chris Jackson.
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He's a police officer.
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We're talking back and forth.
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I'm like, it's a list.
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It's the majestic list.
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Jamie Shandor and Bill Moore, they got to me.
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And he's like, this list is from 91, right?
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He goes, do you think maybe in 91 he was a captain
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and 30 years later retired a rear admiral?
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And I'm like, oh, shit.
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Who would think of that?
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To give me a list of men's names and ranks in 91 when that, I'm just saying, I don't know
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if I would have thought of that.
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To give someone's rank in 91.
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I'm going to stop with the list.
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Former DIA director Lowell Jacoby.
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He writes me in an email.
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I don't wear the uniform anymore.
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That was a direct quote.
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And I write him back.
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Oh, you live in Virginia.
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I heard the fried chicken at these gas stations.
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I'm going to take you to go play golf.
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And we're just, we're golf buddies now.
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Chatting back and forth.
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You said you're working on a documentary.
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What do you want to ask me?
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It's like the space, the Hewlett Packard old guy.
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I'm like, oh, God, here we go.
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Had to get hung up on.
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No, I'm going to sound like I'm bragging.
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Jake, my father was in the Navy.
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I stopped the closure of the North Chicago VA with Mark Kirk.
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We stopped it from closing.
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They ended up building $132 million.
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Captain James Lovell, Apollo 13, Surgical Center.
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I'm very proud that I was a progenitor of that.
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I'm writing this to him.
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When I ran for Congress, the military and veterans
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were at the top of my pyramid.
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You have my utmost respect.
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But this came across my desk.
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And I sent him the email.
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These are the men in the room.
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Mr. We're going to have fried chicken and play golf.
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Do you know what military people told me?
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When you're honorable and you're in the military
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and you don't want to lie to somebody,
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you won't lie to them.
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You stop talking to them.
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Well, John Stewart's anecdotal story,
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Dr. Michael Sala, XO Politics.
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He goes, give me his info.
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So Dr. Michael Sala emails him.
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You know, I was an international negotiator, mediator.
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You know, it has come to, you know,
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speculation that you may have been part
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of an extraterrestrial program.
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Responds to Dr. Sala.
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A little respect there.
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Here's a political figure.
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And he says, I'm just not going to talk about any of that.
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Doesn't tell him, go kiss my butt.
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Just, you know, doesn't want.
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Respectfully declines.
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Dr. Craig McPherson.
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Now, this is slightly funny.
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I find Dr. Craig McPherson.
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He is a cardiologist in Connecticut.
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He's got the bald head, the lab jacket.
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Craig, like, oh, cardiologist.
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Remember, the beam was coughing.
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I find out that he was a pulmonologist
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before being a cardiologist.
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So did they pull him off the bench and say,
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I'm calling his office.
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You know, like a crazy person.
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Finally, the secretary's like,
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you want an appointment for your coughing?
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You're from Chicago?
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How did you get a hold of Dr. McPherson's name?
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And I'm stumbling, and she's like, sir.
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You got a bad alibi.
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You got to work on that.
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You got to fix that first next time.
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I'm going to tell you the story.
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A George Casanza story.
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So a little bit of time goes by,
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and I tell the story on the internet
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without mentioning all of the names.
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I think you got the wrong Craig McPherson.
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Again, internet angel.
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Do you know a Linda Moldenhow interviewed
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a Dr. Craig McPherson
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who admitted being a scientist at Area 51?
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Oh, that's the other thing.
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this person from the DIA
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didn't even know who McPherson was.
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Dr. Craig McPherson,
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Question mark, question mark, question mark.
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Because he obviously was.
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Looking off of a memo.
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An investigation memo.
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I call Linda Moldenhow.
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She calls me the human firehose.
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you have got to slow down.
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So I gave her the whole story.
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This is Linda Moldenhow.
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She's writing the names down furiously.
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I've never heard of these men.
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everybody in 30 years
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with these retread names
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and they get retread.
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They're now part of this program
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whether it's real or not,
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of men I've never heard of.
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I interviewed Dr. McPherson.
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It's on the internet.
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I worked with alien craft,
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but I didn't work with beans.
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Why would you be specific about that?
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So I got the wrong Craig McPherson,
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the right Craig McPherson.
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So all of these names
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with private investigators,
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my own skip trace software
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from the automobile industry.
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and I don't want to use a line
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from a few good men,
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he is counterintelligence.
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There is no Colonel Donovan.
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Colonel Donovan doesn't exist.
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As far as you being able
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I find a Robert Donovan
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This guy was in the Army.
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these senior citizens
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they just helped so much.
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the answer machine picks up.
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my name is John Surin
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you've got the wrong Donovan.
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because other people
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have called here before
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Was your husband in the Army?
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he was in the Air Force.
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It's got a picture on MySpace.
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sounds like she's on her deathbed.
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and I hear on the phone,
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thank God I didn't hang up,
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hyper nut John Stewart.
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but I know which one you want.
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lives on the East Coast,
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still can't find him.
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I don't want to find him.
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private investigator in Chicago.
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I've been told this will
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coincide with Victor's name,
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which we eventually got,
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there's two ways to get on Area 51
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in the Nellis Test and Training Range.
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Your real legal name
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There's only two ways
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with your gnome to plume,
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It's got to be given to you
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by an intelligence agency
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and the credentials,
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given to this person
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Go down to the next name.
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Dr. Wilford Webb Wilson.
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Dr. Wilford Webb Wilson.
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There's nothing on this guy.
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How could you be a medical doctor
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Dr. Wilson hit a hole-in-one
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at the country club.
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He gave away his daughter
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Catch everything you would
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find out on the internet.
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The only thing I found on him
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was a fifth grade pitcher.
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And I called her up.
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calling an 80-year-old woman
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your husband was a doctor
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involved with extraterrestrials,
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but that's exactly what I did.
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I'm going to call her Kim.
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She had a short three-letter name.
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What else could you,
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I'm going to call her Kim.
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my name is Jon Stewart.
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I'm a documentarian,
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I want to ask you something
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and just don't hang up on me.
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let me say what I have to say.
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Is there any way possible
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with a secretive government
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On my right hand to God,
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and I know that's a perception qualifier,
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it's an Italian Chicago thing to do.
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and I'll never forget
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that's really interesting,
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A light bulb is coming on
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there was a real bone of contention
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She used his nickname.
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I did not call him by his nickname
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and the nickname was on that
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there was a really big bone
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of contention between Webb and I.
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whenever we would go out
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with our friend group,
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they were from Korea,
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They had funny stories
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or the food at a base
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or a funny drill sergeant.
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My husband would never chime in.
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He would just stand there,
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He can't talk about anything.
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Doesn't want to talk about anything.
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it was such a bone of contention,
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There was such a bone of contention
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that it almost caused us a divorce.
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I would scream at him.
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That was so terrible
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that you can't tell me.
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you're solving a family secret.
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What did he do out there?
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not only can I tell you what he did,
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I almost said her real name,
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a medic for a program
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that retained and interrogated extraterrestrials.
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I know this is bizarre and crazy,
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but this is what came across my desk.
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Can I send it to you?
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do you know how to go on YouTube?
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If I send you the link,
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I send her the YouTube video.
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So you could barely see like D and I was that,
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because we wanted to see the,
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can't really see the right medic,
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but you can make out the face.
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I can't be a hundred percent sure,
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but the doctor on our left,
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I know the bridge of the nose.
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I know my husband in a medical mask.
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I've seen him a little time.
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I believe that's my husband.
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I believe that's my husband.
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My husband had an anglier,
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I'm not a hundred percent,
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that looks like Webb.
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I don't know what to say at this point.
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he never mentioned anything.
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And I told you we would get in fights.
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and now I know what possibly he,
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why he kept a secret from me.
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Victor says the medical staff at S4 is chosen more for their ability to keep secrets than their medical knowledge.
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you live in Chicago.
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You live in Chicago.
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My daughter lives in South suburbs of Chicago.
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I'm going to give you her name and number.
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If you ever want to talk to her about her stepfather,
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like I'm getting invited to the next family party.
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Don't ever call me again.
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I have tried to get ahold of this person,
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She has not returned my emails or my phone calls.
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I'm going to have to go to her townhouse.
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It's by an auto auction that I go to.
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I'm just going to have to knock on the door.
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I've done this before,
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but that is happening.
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and she doesn't have a Facebook where I can see if she had pictures,
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maybe of her stepdad.
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And I am afraid to go back to the widow.
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it's almost like it,
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Does that make sense?
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Like you don't want the bubble to be burst.
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I don't want her to say,
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She did tell me this.
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She told me everything,
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and I don't want to go back in case we have to,
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I have to film this again for a docu series.
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but that story is 1000% accurate.
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What she told me how secretive he was.
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The next name on the list was Carthusian monk one.
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I know Carthusian monk two.
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We're now in the Da Vinci code and I'm like,
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Now I Google Carthusian monk.
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There is a monastery in Vermont.
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It's called the charter house transformational monastery.
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Christian sect there is the Carthusian order.
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Take a kind of a vow of silence and poverty and so on and so forth.
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I am going to jump ahead to let you know what we found out.
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I have the picture of this,
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of this one monk who was an alleged thought projection interviewee.
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so they were the psychics.
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So an investigator of eyes actually went there,
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made contact and talked with him.
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We call him brother,
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some of us call him brother,
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my investigation cohorts.
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I'm going to blow your mind now.
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did you get this on film?
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You can't take a camera into the car.
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they're basically take a vow of silence.
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What he said was that remote viewers,
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we're getting this vibe,
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remote viewing of a white building in the far upper East coast where
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members there had the gift to telepathic gift or whatnot.
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So these Carthusian monks were found by remote viewers.
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I want to know if this was done in the sixties,
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would one of those remote viewers,
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would be Joe Mcnagall,
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how many could there have been back in the sixties?
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that would be a great interview.
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He said that they found out that we had the gift.
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There was a total of six monks that they used.
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Do you think he said right away,
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we went right to us for primarily used in what,
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the ally side of Germany,
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East Berlin was the communist that they were,
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used for counterintelligence vetting or,
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in analyzing whether a,
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someone was telling the government,
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where documents were,
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where this person was,
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is this person leaking?
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If all kinds of counterintelligence,
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these men were used in West Germany by the government.
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some of them were brought to S4 and were,
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asked to do thought projection interviews with these beings.
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And he said that he said that him and another monk were very adept.
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He said that he would sit down and he was talking about the,
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and he said this to researcher friends of yours,
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one of our investigators,
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one of our investigators.
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and I'm getting the stories third hand.
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And he said that he was his,
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the other monk was so good that he would sit down.
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He would start going like just to the general.
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that object you're looking at in the Indian ocean,
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he said that it's a,
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it's not that deep and that he was,
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This guy was like a savant.
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One of the only things that he was willing to talk about was how difficult it was to,
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to relay or transfer back and forth basic technical ideas.
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He said that it took a couple of days to,
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I know this is going to sound crazy,
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to describe how human beings live in,
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the being did not understand that.
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And the monk said that they finally figured out that,
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that this type of alien use what's called time sequence,
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that they measure time in their experiences layered on top of each other.
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I don't even know what I'm saying,
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but this is what was told to us.
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And he was willing to,
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that piece of information and how frustrating it was for him,
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to translate basic concepts,
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of other things too,
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they were not verbal.
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we got a picture of him.
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negotiating with the family for a lot to allow us to release it.
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We finally got them to allow us to do an artist sketch of the photo.
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He looks like an eighties Philadelphia gyms,
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high school teacher with the eighties,
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He's got one tooth longer than the big tooth.
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He's got the monk cassock on.
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He looks like he's in a Catholic school gymnasium background,
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the mahogany plywood.
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he was a communicator for the aliens.
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Thought projection communicator for,
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our investigator went there six months ago.
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Here's another bizarre story.
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He's 91 years old and he knows he's,
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put it apart for a second here.
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Cause I have something else to tell you.
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You're telling me there's a guy,
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a few hours South of here.
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That's living in a monastery.
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The charter house transformational monastery in Mount Equinox,
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They're not going to let you talk to him.
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because they all take a vow of silence.
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I'll take a vow of silence.
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Vow of silence is interesting too.
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I just made that connection because the lack of sound and the lack of speaking might heighten the telepathic senses.
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What if that Joe McNagall said that he was the guy that outered him?
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I'm going to ask Joe.
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but I also want to take a road trip to Vermont.
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and I've shown the picture of him in my documentary.
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I just showed it on X.
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I'll give it to you again.
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can I tell you another bizarre thing about this?
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You should go to verify this.
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My investigator says,
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Christian monastery.
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There were two state troopers kind of guarding the grounds in two white pickup trucks.
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Where else do we see white pickup trucks?
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I am not saying this to make an area 50.
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use the discretion and the funds of the military intelligence apparatus to hire Wackenhut,
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the same security at area 51?
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Would you use the same security to guard the perimeter of this monastery?
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I just find it interesting.
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That state police were there,
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Vermont state police.
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and two white pickup trucks were there.
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How fun for them that the people who know the most took a vow of silence.
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They talk to intelligence about what the being.
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Do you know what I mean?
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let's get these guys.
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are they perfect telepaths because of their vow of silence,
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they also won't say a word.
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how did a monk get to,
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Victor says the telepath program was a joke.
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They were hiring people that were 1-800 psychics practically.
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when you are desperate.
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that was part of the program initially with,
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with not only Stargate,
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but center lane and sun streak and grill flame,
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they went through a list of natural psychics before they started training the army to do it.
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harkering back to Bob Lazar.
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When you are desperate and you are the government and you need this information,
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you're going to do desperate things.
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You're going to hire a Bob Lazar.
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You're going to hire a Stan Dale.
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You're going to hire a Dan Burris that,
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have sketchy educational backgrounds.
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You're going to take a roll of the dice.
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one of the psychics was a,
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that condom was the government.
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He was only in that,
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This was told to me by the other,
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by the widow of the other S4 telepath that they,
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that they shoot him out.
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There was a lot of in and out of charlatans basically.
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and so when you're desperate,
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you're thinking out of the box,
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you're going to make desperate moves.
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and I think that's what Victor's alluding to with hiring these.
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Victor called it 1-800 psychics.
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now Victor comes back in 08 and says,
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we finally figured out what the aliens were telling us.
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And that's when Victor,
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I think this is scary,
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says to the documentary crew,
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don't plan on any 20th anniversary of this documentary.
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I might not be here,
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but I know you're not going to be here.
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20 years from 08 is,
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an alleged whistleblower from S4 says,
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don't plan on a 20th anniversary.
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do you need like a Pepto-Bismol,
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there's a lot of just,
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There's a lot of information in my head right now.
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obviously I shared with you,
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and this is something,
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I don't know in what order this will go out,
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if this podcast will go out first,
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we did have a gentleman here who had received some messages,
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talked about some imminent invasion as well,
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or some imminent threat,
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and which coming from like the Zeta star system,
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also the same system that Bob Lazar was briefed on,
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which was also at S4,
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which might be these beings,
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like it all kind of ties in perfectly and neatly.
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when something's tied in that neatly,
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it's either one by design or two.
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that's just the way it is,
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this is obviously super,
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hearing about all these people that I didn't think were even,
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would even be possible to get their names,
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because they're just shadowy figures.
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And then you intercept this email that drops all these names.
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Sometimes you're following up on everything.
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you are pretty thorough and,
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and hats off to you for,
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putting in the legwork.
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I don't think a lot of people realize that when they,
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you're very vocal on X.
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I think a lot of people get put off by your,
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personality because they're not,
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they don't have that gumption to do the work,
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It catches people off guard,
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because you don't see that in a lot of today's generation.
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You just don't see that.
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As Ralph Blumenthal from New York times went,
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you got out of your car and knocked on his door.
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this is all the president's men,
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you're Denzel Washington in man on fire or whatever.
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to putting in the legwork.
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And I think that that needs to be duly noted for anyone thinking this is like,
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anecdotal be that as it might be.
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Anecdotal evidence is still valuable in my opinion.
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and the fact that you went out there and did all this work might lead to a
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breakthrough and that's really,
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thank you for doing all this work.
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I'm going to tell you something that I've never stated publicly as I go into
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And I'm not saying this to be,
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If you hear anything,
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there's like a parade going on out here for like Christmas or something.
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you might not even pick it up in the edits.
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use some AI to whatever,
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it's rest assured it's none of this.
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of course there's a parade right outside.
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You got Jon Stewart here,
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It's going to go wrong.
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what I'm about to say,
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I've never said publicly and you deserve that because,
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I really respect your show and bring me out.
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I really appreciate.
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and I'm not saying this to hype up the drama.
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this very quick part of the story,
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should be told because I think it gives a little bit of,
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it adds this tone of,
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former pro wrestler,
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gonna find an alien and prove an alien video.
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the mentality that I had,
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what I'm about to tell you was very real to me.
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And other people were feeding this beware.
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and so I just want to say that I don't want people to think,
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he's telling the story for it.
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I want to be completely and utterly honest and how,
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how kind of scary things did get for me at times.
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So I have all this information,
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what I've just told you,
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I think I have enough legs to take this to Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie
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Keene of the New York times.
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part-time reporters,
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who could submit stories.
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Ralph certainly was full-time at one time.
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They broke the 17 Lou Elizondo,
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And I emailed Ralph and he put me in contact with Leslie Keene.
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much to my amazement,
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they were impressed enough where they agreed to meet with me at the Midtown
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And so I am telling some UFO luminaries and,
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investigators or helpers who are all like,
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you're going to meet Leslie Keene in New York.
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you know who Leslie is.
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And I don't mean to be,
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I am not being derogatory at all.
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I am just telling you the story.
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I want to tell the story because this story is about me too.
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And I don't mean ego me,
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the doofus that's trying to figure this out.
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And they're telling me she's with Intel.
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And if she's not with Intel,
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they're following her.
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she leaked stuff to them.
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So they leak stuff to her.
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And it's kind of a symbiotic relationship.
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And you're going to go meet Leslie Keene because you can give her the names of that video.
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And you can expose those.
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You're fricking nuts.
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And they worked on me.
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My own people worked on me so much that I literally cased the Hilton for an hour eating a pita sandwich on the corner to see if anybody was,
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hotel was being monitored,
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when I got into my room,
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this is my Paul Benowitz breakdown scene.
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that happens for a little bit.
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And I took a wet towel and I put it underneath the door.
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Do they have smoke that could,
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and of course nothing happened.
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And Leslie could not have been nicer.
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And her and Ralph show up with COVID masks on.
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They look like Thelma and Ned from Otoma,
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walking in the midtown.
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I'm worried about getting assassinated.
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one of the lowest parts of the investigation they have.
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do you think this is a game?
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Men have been killed to protect this secret,
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this secret that you're trying to expose.
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And not only the secret,
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if they did the story,
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you're going to have full Jacoby's name in the New York times.
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Are you freaking mine?
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So that's how scary it got for me.
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And I never told that story.
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And of course I don't indict Leslie for anything.
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I will tell a story about her.
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And Ralph and Leslie,
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we spent three hours,
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And in about an hour and a half into it,
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You got enough for us to take to the science editor.
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Something like this.
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Take to the science editor.
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you can do one thing,
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get somebody in uniform,
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get somebody with the government to come forward to say,
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we have a retention program.
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never going to happen.
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this is not going to,
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we parted peacefully and happily.
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And they were very kind to me.
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Leslie was going to go fake an illness to go to this cardiologist in
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Connecticut before we knew he was Craig McPherson.
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and I remember one time Ralph was sitting there like this,
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like plotting how to help me.
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break down the story.
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you've got to come downstairs.
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This guy's on Congress testifying that we,
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And there's David Grosh.
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And there's David Grosh.
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I'm going to be this story.
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My story is going to be in the New York times.
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don't know why Ralph and Leslie did not at least broach this to say,
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an officer with the air force telling you that we've got pilots craft.
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There's reverse engineering with the craft,
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This might be a pilot.
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And I think it goes back to.
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Unable to metabolize this.
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David Grosh didn't say that video is real.
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And that is my quest right now is to find someone just got out,
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somebody from the agent of disclosure to look at that video and say,
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was a very low turning point in,
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When I was so afraid and paranoid that I thought somebody was going to do
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I then get Scott Walter of American on earth.
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I've been communicating with this agent from the national air and space
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intelligence center at right pad.
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Have you ever heard of this?
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He showed us all our credentials.
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you got to put me in contact.
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This is the guy that will,
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cause he wants disclosure.
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And he calls himself Holden from catcher catch 22.
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Somebody almost ought to order them five years ago.
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But so after about six months,
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I finally get a hold right before Thanksgiving.
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I get a hold of this secret agent from the,
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a right pat national air and space intelligence center.
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nicest guy in the world.
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every military intelligence person that I've ever spoke with.
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the government hires some really quality people.
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I'm complimenting the government.
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it's part of the trade craft.
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I'm an expert editor.
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I do things in seconds and minutes,
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but the stock market,
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I'm not good at waiting.
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So I finally get a hold of him.
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We finally talked a couple of days before Thanksgiving.
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I can't tell you everything.
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you've seen the videos.
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you told Scott Walter that it was real.
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I just want to let you know that the government does have a black,
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ops magic department.
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they had one on the West coast at lookout mountain.
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I believe in the sixties for their missile testing.
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This is not uncommon for the government to leak something,
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So they're not violating national security.
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They're not violating this deep secret.
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we tried to tell you,
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we tried to show you.
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And just like Greer,
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just don't be saddened.
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If that does become the case.
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they'll even get actors to look like that military person that should have
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been there at that time.
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looks awfully authentic to me.
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I just want to tell you a couple of things about him.
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the film on the eye,
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that is a light deflector and it is a biofilm.
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or it's an actual bio material.
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And that's something I can tell you goes,
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I want to tell you something that I haven't even told Scott.
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no one on the internet has ever said this before.
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And I will tell you,
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if you want to make a general drinking his coffee in the morning,
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the new designation,
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this was three years ago.
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The new designation of aliens is saber.
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what does that stand for?
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extraterrestrial races.
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now he was telling me this.
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I'm not getting melodramatic here,
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he was helping me getting in with other intel.
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I know things to let me into your circle.
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Let me into the clubhouse.
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He was giving me this hyperbolic,
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acronym that to this day,
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I've never found out.
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I'm the only one that has ever said this.
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So he must've been true that this was a new designation.
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extraterrestrial races,
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you mentioned that at a Starbucks in Georgetown.
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And a two-star general is there.
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He's going to do the spit take.
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I really appreciate it.
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but Ralph and Leslie of the New York times,
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I need you on camera to tell me this program is real.
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I'd be willing to do it,
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but you got to get it past my commanding officer.
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I have put this on Reddit.
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I've put this on my,
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I developed a list of questions for him.
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But if I was going to interview him,
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I wanted to get the truth.
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I agreed in this form to his commanding officer that he would be silhouetted.
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We could voice the sort of just like Victor,
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I had to get answers to these questions.
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When was the first contact with extraterrestrials?
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Was it before the 1800s?
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Does the United States government in their possession,
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any type of biological being off planet,
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any of the type living or deceased,
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what are some of the facilities housing these beings?
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If they have these beings,
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sent it to his commanding officer at right patent.
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And he gave me a code for his commanding officer.
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Now I'm in the military,
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an acronym and the fax number.
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We are emailing each other on signal.
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I call Scott Walter.
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have you heard from Holden?
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he's always doing something.
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it's going to take some time.
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am I in trouble here?
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This is really starting to freak me out.
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This guy was calling me.
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He has not returned my email after this explosive thing.
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about two months go by.
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And I finally said to Scott,
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and I am texting this Holden.
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why won't you just tell me,
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buzz off or whatnot.
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He said he would try and help you.
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I'm going to call him.
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About a half hour after Scott Walter told me this,
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genteel person from the NAISC,
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who is nicer than nice.
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and you could just tell,
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that somebody was standing over him.
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You're going to write this,
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and you better write this.
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Don't ever contact me again.
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You are to destroy all of our communications.
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You are to destroy your notes of our communications.
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I am denying anything that I told you about anything to do with extraterrestrials or the program.
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I know I have no knowledge of this program or no authority to tell you anything.
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because of your FOIA request,
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I never told him I did crazy FOIA requests of the Dan Burris documents to the DIA.
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I never told him this,
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And because of your FOIA request,
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you are now on a special watch list of the DOD.
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nice Chris Ramsey is all of a sudden is like,
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you could just tell somebody.
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Somebody forced his hand.
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Rolf and Leslie was August.
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When did Grush come forward?
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Rolf and Leslie was August.
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this was Thanksgiving-ish,
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And when I got that,
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my hand was shaking.
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that I did a FOIA request?
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I did one from the Department of Defense
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asking for Colin Powell's travel schedule
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at this time of this filming.
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And I sent one to the DIA
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and I want to talk about this,
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about the Q94109A document
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that Dan Burris brought forward
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of the extraction of tissue
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with the pressurized gun
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because of the neuropathy
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I want all the information
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I contacted Richard Doty,
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what you sent the DIA?
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if that document is real,
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an alpha designation,
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Q is the section of S4.
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that this document was created,
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obviously some kind of
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you sent that to the DIA?
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I'm talking to somebody
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He's a friend of mine
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I'm about other things.
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to know Jon Stewart.
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to know Jon Stewart.
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this guy is sending us
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stuff that we don't,
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He wouldn't tell Rick
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after this interaction,
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with Cheryl Cross Robinson
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of information of DIA.
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you're the alien guy.
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It was that informal.
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I sent a FOIA request
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a couple of months ago.
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I've gotten this a lot.
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file logging system,
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attached to your name.
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what's the problem with that?
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I could be asking about
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what I'm talking about.
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you can't get on this
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at the DIA FOIA department
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without having a file attached.
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Somebody had to come in
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This was said to me.
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let me do some digging for you.
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I'll find out what happened.
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I don't know how this happened.
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You have to have a file.
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for whatever reason.
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in about 30 minutes.
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Now it's like holding.
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we found your request.
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You're going to get an email
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from the information officer
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and then you're going to get
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and that's the end of it.
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who took my file off?
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but this is what I've been told
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and you're going to get the information.
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You're getting an email
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But in the body of the email says,
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due to the unique nature
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of your FOIA request,
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we are going to have to conduct
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interdepartmental conferences
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we are going to disseminate
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this information to you.
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like they're going to,
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the DIA is going to go over
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and they're going to be around
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and my crazy request.
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is the rug going to be pulled out?
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to talk about Rick Doty.
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Rick Doty has told me
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nothing about this film.
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And he's either protecting Victor
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extraterrestrial retention
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and interrogation program.
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that is the unofficial name of it.
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I can tell you that.
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but I was never down
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at the third and fourth level.
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A counterintelligence agency
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telling you he wasn't somewhere.
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and can tell about Doty
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is same with Victor.
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I want to get you the right,
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Perception receptors,
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Doty has never said to me,
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I'm going to tell you honestly,
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we have an alien program.
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I'm not going to lie to you.
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this was a real alien.
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Those are perception receptors
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those prequalifiers.
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Richard Doty and Victor
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I wasn't briefed in on that.
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according to the FBI agent
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and to the Reed School
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of someone telling you the truth,
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you and I talked off camera.
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they limit their information.
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what are you asking me?
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there's no drama to it.
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they don't flourish.
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they don't build upon information
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to convince you that,
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that is something that I was very impressed
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What he didn't tell me
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that he did not know,
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whether that was truth.
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Richard Doty in this space,
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whether it's William Moore,
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as recent as Lou Elizondo,
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anytime you're involved
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with counterintelligence,
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and skepticism about these people's,
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agendas start popping up.
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But what are you doing?
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a counterintelligence agent tells you,
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this is not an interview.
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I don't know what to do with that.
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is that another counterintelligence aspect?
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Tell him you don't know.
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Then that sounds like.
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keeping an open mind
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is definitely the way to go
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and just kind of absorbing the information.
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I want to talk about this for a second.
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you had tweeted out that there's two things
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you can't talk about.
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I'm going to push you a little bit on this.
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you said one of the two things you can't talk about
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some timeline manipulation or something to that effect.
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what I gathered was project looking glass.
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Why did you have to say that?
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Am I not allowed to say that?
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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It's what I gathered.
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and the second thing was other species.
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Other species of aliens specifically,
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or non-human intelligence.
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and I think this is your words,
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my intelligence handlers.
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of course I'm poking people out there.
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they're my advisors.
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Is Richard Doty one of those helpers?
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he's part of the one of the 11.
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Is Richard Doty someone I call for?
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What does this mean?
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What does that mean?
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Was he the one to tell you not to talk about these things?
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that's what I want to know.
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The person telling you this is one person.
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One person and another person.
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I don't know what he said.
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is this person active intelligence?
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So former intelligence.
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I'm not going to say that.
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I'm going to ask anyways.
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I'm not going to interrupt you.
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never spoke with John Ramirez in my life.
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Seems like a nice guy.
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Never spoke to him in my life.
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Never spoke to him in your life.
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I never spoke with John Ramirez ever.
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He's very friendly and very open.
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I actually like John a lot.
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I'm going to tell you something here.
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With talking about the future timelines,
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that is bringing me into,
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That is bringing me into talking about technology.
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without getting melodramatic,
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I think I am alive today.
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that the stalking has only been with my phone from the government because I have no idea and have never talked about and never given,
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please listen to me,
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anything to do with technology.
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That is all that the East Coast intelligence agencies care about at this point.
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Will they give it to our enemies?
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Do they know something we don't?
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And John Stewart has,
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they must have said,
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this guy's talking about gray.
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So that is keeping me safe.
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but time travel is a concept.
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I didn't say time travel.
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because project looking glass was one of the three projects that Bob Lazar was briefed on.
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He was briefed on looking glass,
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weaponizing the technology,
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or possibly the dilation of time in order to peer into the future,
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some other timeline,
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what do you know about looking glass that they don't want you to talk about?
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Or is it they just don't want you to say the word?
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do you know anything?
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then why would this be so afraid?
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I was going to explain.
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I think that these little tests,
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or these little like,
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requests is more about,
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can this guy keep his mouth shut?
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Even something innocuous.
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Even something that maybe isn't even a big deal.
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I don't know if that program you talked about.
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Can John Stewart keep his mouth shut?
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I didn't tweet that name.
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you like bleeped out a few letters.
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I'm no king of wheel of fortune,
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but I've never talked about it at great length.
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you didn't mention it.
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I was the one to bring it up because I read the tweet and the tweet is,
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it definitely points to that.
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And I remember the day it happened.
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don't ever ask about it.
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And I am telling you,
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do not ever bring it up on any of your podcasts or whatnot.
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And I don't want you talking about other,
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species other than the grays.
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And if you stick to the grays,
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And I have done exactly that.
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And I find it funny.
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I come off as a very easygoing,
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Italian from Chicago,
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but I believe that those who want to leak things and want disclosure and drip,
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drip and find nudge nicks like me.
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I believe that there are certain there,
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if you mentioned my name in certain groups and intelligence,
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factions of non-retired and,
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and current people in intelligence,
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it is my opinion that it's the good guy,
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what I am trustworthy.
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I'm going to put it in the vault.
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And I can't believe it.
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you told me not to bleep,
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talk about you coming on here,
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I've gotten good at not.
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I will pry and feel free to continue to,
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to not talk about it,
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if someone came to me and said,
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don't talk about these two things,
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Don't talk about this one thing we'll call this project.
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and then don't talk about other species other than the grays and you'll be safe.
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this to me doesn't tell me that,
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this to me tells me that there,
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there's a narrative forming.
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that they want you to uphold the narrative.
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and it tells me that,
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and it tells me that the narrative.
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Are you being handled?
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it tells me that the narrative is a,
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looking glass is important.
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I don't know what to make of the other one.
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whether it's them trying to create,
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this distance between us and the species,
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such a massive difference,
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is it because the other species are like us,
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is it because that's what's happening and that's what they want to cover is like the fact that they're here.
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Or is it the fact that they're like bugs and they're,
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strange looking like,
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what do you think is the reason?
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We won't even talk about the other species.
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What do you think is the reason for,
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for them not wanting you to talk about them?
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And I'll bleep out every looking glass that I put in this podcast,
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Whatever you want to do.
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sticking with the grays,
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that it's possible that because they are,
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potentially a biological Android and maybe not as sentient as we like to think they are.
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They're part machine,
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part biological makeup.
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less of a visual and perceived threat.
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If that makes sense.
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it's sending out the,
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your Doberman pincher.
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I'm coming on a good analogy here or metaphor,
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your Doberman pincher or your Roomba vacuum cleaner.
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I'm just saying the Roomba vacuum cleaner is,
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it's a mechanical piece.
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you're saying it's a easier pill to swallow.
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that would only be true if the aliens were looked absolutely hideous,
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but not if they look like us.
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I'm just simply telling you what I was instructed to do.
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Were you ever given information on any other species?
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that's a good question.
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and I'm telling you that.
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I've heard things about grays,
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other grays and whatnot,
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some have sexual appendages.
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Four and a half feet to three feet.
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Wrap around almond eyes.
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peanut butter color.
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That was Linda Howe.
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I've heard a mixture of,
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But we don't want to talk about Nordics.
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We don't want to talk about Mantis.
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and I don't know anything about them.
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So that's so strange to me that like they would.
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it's 1975 and I want to expose the pro wrestling industry as fake.
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I've just found this referee that's willing to do it.
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I am going to give him tests.
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I'm going to give him prequalifiers.
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I'm going to see if he can follow the,
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if he's trustworthy.
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don't you believe that you've.
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Because my intelligence,
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my intelligence cohort has added.
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It is not diminished.
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Despite pissing off some people from the evening.
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Did I just say that?
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just to your knowledge as well.
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you've ruffled feathers.
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Maybe even more than ruffled feathers,
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but you've caused a stir enough for you to probably breach that barrier of being technologically monitored to being infiltrated.
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like that's how I see it.
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not only are your phones and emails tapped at this point,
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you've breached a new level where we're going to send somebody into your life.
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That's going to befriend you.
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That's going to be the nicest person you've ever talked to.
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meet your family that you'll bring home for Thanksgiving.
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And that'll go golfing with.
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And before you know it,
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they've got their claws in you.
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They've got their hooks in you.
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Now they're telling you what to say and what not to say.
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that to me would be concerning if that happened to me,
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I would be very concerned.
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But other than the chairman,
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I'm not going to even say it.
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I understand what you're saying.
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And so knowing that.
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But like I contacted Dodie,
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my wife did actually on Facebook.
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I'm not referring to this other gentleman.
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I was going to finish my,
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Most of my Intel I have contacted,
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asked for that person to contact me from another person,
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from another Intel person.
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so nobody in your circle has contacted you out of the blue.
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look what he gave me.
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He gave me an email from his friend.
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his friend wrote his first name on the bottom and said,
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please don't associate my name with this material.
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like I would tell you,
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So the chairman is really the only person that has emailed me out of the blue.
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And what did he email me?
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but I understand what you're saying.
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and if somebody told me what I could and couldn't talk about,
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that would bug the shit out of me.
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I knew it was a test to,
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How could we trust this guy?
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So now do you think you've broken that trust?
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I didn't say anything about any future projects or programs or you did.
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So you don't know anything about those?
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All I can say is one thing.
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do you really want the entire world to know how to go into the future to
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see if their kid dies at 10 or their,
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cheats on them with somebody at work or,
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that they're going to get ruined in this.
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Do you really want the entire world to have this technology of looking into
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And that's your answer of why.
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Two intelligence assets have kept me completely away from that subject.
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Is that what they told you?
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Do I want the military industrial complex making that decision for me?
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That's the other question.
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you're going to not like this answer,
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you have no idea what it's like to run the entire world or be president of
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You don't know what it's like to think for 350 million people.
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that's definitely true.
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and I think that is 90% of this draconian,
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I know you use that.
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I know I use that word a lot.
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The draconian structure that is be oppressing this secret is we don't,
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we cannot let it get into our enemy's hands because if it does,
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God helped the fate of the world.
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and I want to finish my entire speech with this,
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the most important question and the most important phenomenon in the history of
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the world resides in a country that is run,
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at least part and parcel by democracy.
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But they are also someone's enemy.
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if I was in another country and my enemy was America,
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I would also be saying the same thing.
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Do I want America having this in their hands?
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Like who's to say that we're better than another?
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So it's a race to the top of the baseball bat.
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Like when we were in grades.
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And that's how scary the technology must be that they have that.
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If this gets with any other country who is nefarious,
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who does not have good intentions or can rule the world.
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I do agree that there are national security risks to a lot of this information.
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I just want to know if any of it is real.
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I'm not looking to reverse engineer a time machine.
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I'm not that smart and I,
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I don't know anybody who is,
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if you're not going to meet me halfway and be like,
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here are the crafts or we have crafts or we have,
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if you're not going to meet me halfway,
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then we're all just going to keep digging until we find something sensitive.
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tell me this is real or not,
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and when I find something sensitive,
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like a project name and they're like,
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don't talk about that.
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Guess what I'm talking about.
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I'm talking about the project name because I want them to at least acknowledge something.
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none of my friends can talk about it or admonish anyone.
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Now is that stay on mission,
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Don't touch something.
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Maybe it is something very delicate.
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what's the end game?
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What's the end game with,
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with the end game is for somebody in the fricking government or a former military person to stand up and say this,
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this is this doctor.
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This is this doctor.
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This is the facility was at.
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I know this is real.
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I know where this body is.
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And stop laughing at John Stewart or not laughing.
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we're going to give John Stewart the truth.
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I would see how long I could keep stringing you on.
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I would just keep drip feeding you random stuff and keep telling you what to say.
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But everything they drip feed me comes to fruition or is.
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And that's how that works.
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And that's how that works.
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Why would I want to stop that?
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Because it's to gain trust.
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because you're never,
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I don't think these people willingly ever give anything up.
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when you're playing with these,
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they are also just taking orders.
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there's probably a case file on you right now,
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what to give you next and what to,
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and that would bug me.
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But I guess if you have no other choice,
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because where else are we going to get this info?
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former operatives and contractors that want disclosure and are very careful about what they tell me?
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can't that be the narrative also?
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But they are intelligence agencies.
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they have a lot of power.
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they can be very protective.
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And that bothers me because that,
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an obfuscation brought on by,
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my due diligence and my,
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then you should have never called me in the first place.
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You know what I'm saying?
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You should never picked up the phone when I,
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or never returned my email,
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That's the murky water of,
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the UFO scape anyways,
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the argument can be made,
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but the equal and opposite argument exists as well,
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And that somewhere in between lies of Psyop.
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you've got a guy like John Lear saying,
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they put that into John Stewart's head in 2019.
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Start researching this bullshit.
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I'm a type A alpha male.
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I want to aggressive.
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this thing about this film bothered me.
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And I did this on my own.
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intelligence person.
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and you got Carrie Cassidy from project Camelot.
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That'll tell everybody that'll listen to her.
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They chose John Stewart.
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That was told to me on a podcast.
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I don't believe that.
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I don't believe that for one second.
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I remember Dodie's first email back to me.
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You're investigating the alien interview.
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You are on a very interesting endeavor.
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He must've shit in his pants when he saw after 30 years,
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somebody was going to start investigating this interview and not crapping his pants,
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That like somebody coming to me,
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I want to investigate the possible murder of that female wrestler back in 62.
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if somebody came to you right now and be honest,
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I don't like the way this question.
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if they came to you right now and said,
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I'll tell you everything,
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but you just got to keep playing ball and keep pretending and keep doing and keep,
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we're going to tell you what to say,
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I'll feed everything to you.
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Everything you've ever wanted to know about this program,
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we gotta send you on a wild goose chase publicly.
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Do I have to lie publicly?
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You'll have to cut you.
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I would take that deal.
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You would take that deal.
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Until I know mankind or my fellow,
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I appreciate the honest answer there.
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Cause I think a lot of people would have lied to that answer.
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it's the Tommy Lee Jones in space cowboys.
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You'd leave me down here and go to space.
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that would be a tough choice though to,
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cause like that would eat at you,
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Don't harm my neighbors or my wife or kids.
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But it eats at a lot of people.
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But I'm the one investigating.
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I'm the one that spent $30,000.
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I'm the one taking the heat.
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I can find the truth.
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and the deal is go out.
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There's a blabbering,
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you don't think I could leak stuff behind them maybe,
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I could figure something out.
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I would take that deal.
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there's no one behind me writing a check to cover my losses.
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I appreciate the honest answer.
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I came here to be honest.
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do you want to answer some audience questions?
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You hit Sergeant Slaughter over the head with a chair in nine.
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This is about aliens.
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Why has this video been allowed to spread publicly,
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when so many less compelling ones have been squashed by Malt?
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there's two answers to that.
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One of them is when this,
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I think the government,
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their sphincter probably was,
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you can make a diamond out of a lump of coal.
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that they just said,
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we are up Schitt's Creek.
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Let's see what happens.
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Let's see where this goes.
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how the public reacts to it.
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do I think the government knows who Victor is?
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Why didn't they prosecute Victor?
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It's called discovery.
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You want the government to prosecute Victor.
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About the alien film.
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Then all of a sudden.
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I thought it's fake.
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Why are you prosecuting about three feet of,
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16 feet of cellophane film?
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you're prosecuting him because it's not fake.
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there was a real catch-22 that the government is still in with this film.
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And I think I play an important part of bringing the government out.
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I coined this phrase myself,
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bringing the government out of the closet.
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Go through the whole maturations,
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and he'll eventually,
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find Victor's Cub Scout pack,
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and we're out of it.
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And maybe we can go,
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he's a crazy car dealer wrestler,
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and it diminishes it.
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Do you know who Victor is?
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I just know his name,
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and I have his face.
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You have his name and face.
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Was that just through your investigation,
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or was that given to you?
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the director of the both documentaries,
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who does not care about aliens or anything.
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Didn't he do follow-up documentaries about aliens?
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he might have done one,
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I got the first name,
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which I thought was Stan.
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That's why I thought it was Stan Dale,
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because he looks just like Victor.
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Victor looks identical to Stan Dale,
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but it's not Stan Dale.
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He's got the same name.
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I've got to look for a guy that looks like Stan Dale,
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but is a jerk like Bill Moore that speaks French.
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he spoke French in the 208 documentary,
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talked the deluge of the solar,
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and talked about Sardo and Cicero,
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and quoting philosophers,
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and the Zoltine calendar.
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I will give you the full name.
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I will give you the two cities that we've took,
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picked him up at for the documentaries for $5,000.
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you've already spent $27,000.
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You're not writing him a check.
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For a couple cities.
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Angel of angels came through.
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His name is Brian Pemble.
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He's a UFO researcher.
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He's on X from Tucson,
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I want to know who Victor is.
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I had tears in my eyes.
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you are really going to help me do this.
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Clint Weldon's night shift.
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I put the PayPal that we sent,
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I actually think it was 4,200.
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I want the fee that PayPal is going to charge me.
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So we had to give him like another 150.
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So we are waiting for the email.
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that Jeff Broad Street said,
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Jeff Broad Street was shown a tattered social security card with the prefix 262,
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which is a Florida birth from Victor,
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not his driver's license.
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Victor never took off his sunglasses.
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was a guy by the name of Stanton,
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So we go to the computer.
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There is a John Stanton Willett who died in October of last year,
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who lived 10 miles from me.
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this is John Stewart.
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And Jeff Broad Street.
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Now this is when we go back to deception detective work.
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I did look at a social security card.
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So we spent $600 with a private detective in Chicago.
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Now think about this.
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Jeff Broad Street was given a name that has never been born in America.
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Isn't that a little weird?
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Isn't that a little Intelli?
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That you have come up with a name that is nowhere.
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So now I don't want to say how,
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because I don't want to get arrested,
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but the same methodology we use to see Bob Lazar on the EG&G entry log.
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This is an entry log into Groom Lake and the Nellis test and training range
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kept by EG&G with Bob Lazar's names on it for 92 days.
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John Stanton Willett's name was on it.
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now I have produced another log line from this book.
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when we got the first name Stanton,
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I found a Stanton Howell who was a scientist,
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and worked out at area 51.
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And we called his family.
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And that wasn't Victor,
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but I got his log line and it's last name,
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this is what the Groom Lake log.
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I am the only person that has ever brought out a document from area 51.
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And I'm proud to say that.
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It was how a line Stanton,
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I think J is a middle initial,
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whether he was a civilian or military CIV or,
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whether he was a resident staying over on the base or not,
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the time duration of,
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he was allowed on the base,
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like a June of 82 to July of 84,
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usually his two year stints.
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and what he worked for in,
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and how the fake Victor was Lockheed.
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Now people have told me that I,
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cause I've had seven people I've interviewed that were on area 51.
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at times you could work for Chris Ramsey dynamics,
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but Lockheed will get you entry onto the base.
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If I'm grabbing you from Chris Ramsey dynamics electronics company to help us on a radar application.
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So I thought it was interesting.
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A little tidbit there in,
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will it work for EG&G?
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we find out that they did high,
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top secret audio visual documentation for them.
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They also hired the pilots at Janet Airlines.
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they were everywhere there.
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They were the ones who built the whole thing.
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What we'd like to do.
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Except on a log at area 51.
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one of my Intel people hooks me up with a,
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it's too Tom Clancy,
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all I can say is this,
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I have been told that Stanton,
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will it was a Intel name identity given to him by an intelligence three letter.
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you can only get on area 51 with your real name or an approved official gnome to plume from an intelligence agency.
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will it is not his real name.
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And I've been told by various sources,
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look for a Stanton somewhere that,
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or a Victor or something or a variation.
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They oftentimes will use the real first name of someone to,
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so it's not so detached from their real identity.
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So they don't slip up.
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Whether that's true or not.
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then the director told us in 96,
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Victor flew in from Arizona.
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And this is amazing.
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we picked Victor up at a residence in Rancho Cucamonga,
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The former FBI agent,
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private detective in Chicago said,
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it's called California English.
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And this guy thinks that Victor's man,
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The FBI guy told me this.
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And I went back and I heard it.
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I think Victor spent a lot of time in California.
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Chuck Broadstreet says,
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Southern California.
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What we would like to do now,
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another internet angel,
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Do you know they lightened Victor's face?
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You can see what he looks like.
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And I went out to Reddit and he looks like Stan Dale with the beard,
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We would like to take this photo,
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Cause Rancho Cucamonga does not have a mayor and give it to the city
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manager to tell the newspaper in Rancho Cucamonga.
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Could you help this guy?
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This is an interesting story.
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We've got a huge whistleblower,
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allegedly from ranch,
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Here's his name and face.
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what can somebody from his Cub Scout pack his high school?
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Cause I don't believe the government can,
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it's called sheep dipping.
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I don't believe the government can sheep dip your neighbors,
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your Cub Scout group members.
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And they can do it if they're giving you a fake name.
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You'll never find that.
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But if his name is Stanton Johnson.
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And he looks like that.
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I didn't mean to go off on a tangent.
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It's very interesting.
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Please keep us posted.
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It's like being on a game show.
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Have you had any men in black interactions since starting your research and coming forward?
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no knocks on the door.
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And I've said it to everyone and I've said it on podcast.
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everyone tells you which agency they're from when they talk to you.
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they're from the 2764,
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detachment wing out of felt ball,
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They do hire actors.
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They do hire weird looking people.
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Are you talking about the men in black?
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the people that you're around,
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they've always given you,
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they've always come forward with who they were with.
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Like what's department they were with.
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And how do you know their intelligence if they haven't?
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I guess you're right.
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I have no interaction with men in black and I've said it publicly.
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You'd stop stealing my emails.
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You want me to stop that?
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I've touched on something that's going to compromise national security.
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show me your credentials.
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I'll take you out for coffee.
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I'll go show you the home alone house.
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We'll take pictures and you can tell me why I should stop and I'll stop.
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I'm happy to do that too.
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I think that's like a good,
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happy middle ground with like national security and stuff.
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there's no need for.
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I will show you what I am.
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There's a lot of this.
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they're getting warnings or like,
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I'm hearing a clicking.
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Let's just all just come into the light.
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The best antiseptic is sunlight.
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And that brings me to,
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I had two different emails.
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so groups of Intel men,
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not my Intel intelligence people believe that you are,
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Stingray centipede has been performed on your phone.
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They had to get a court order.
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It's not like you did anything illegal.
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It's a counterintelligence spy program.
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It's called stingray centipede.
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That's what we think has happened to your phone.
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Another group said this too sloppy.
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The United States government wouldn't steal your emails and let you know that your emails are gone.
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We think it's like China or Russia or Israel.
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Keep you up at night.
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Last question here from the audience.
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Maybe my favorite question.
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This is a tough question.
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as we now know him in the blue corner,
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Skinny Bob has the same owner's signature and timestamp as the Victor video.
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You've pointed that out before.
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I don't know what that,
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I do find it interesting,
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but I also find that the,
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it would have been much harder to put a timestamp on a film than it is digitally.
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And so the timestamp that's on the Victor video is more impressive.
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A group of five special effects people said this,
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that skinny Bob was put through a program called shutter stock.
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Which is like my daughter's got that.
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My daughter's in marketing.
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I've done my due diligence on that.
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I'm going to tell you why.
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I can't figure this out.
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They can't figure out how the black triangle redaction was placed on that electronic film,
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They said that on a YouTube.
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They were all sitting there like,
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I don't know how you do that.
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Corridor crew or whatever.
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Now that made me go.
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When I looked into it as well,
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I saw the filters were obviously fake,
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but the core video has still yet to be.
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I believe it's real.
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and I think I know the provenance of it,
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which was you can let this out,
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but you have to put it through some sort of a filter to,
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to give it a strong man argument that people can try and debunk it.
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that's through shutter stock and it's over.
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That is what I've been told about skinny Bob.
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And that it was not in Russian captivity.
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It was like a plan leak.
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That's all the questions from the audience.
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Thank you for answering those.
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We want to touch on one more thing.
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I want to encourage people,
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maybe not to be as crazy as I have for after six years and all the money I've spent,
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but I just want to go over without petting myself,
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crediting the internet,
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just by going out on podcasts and doing this for six years,
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what other people have helped helped us.
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And I don't even think you even realize this is to my,
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my group and to the,
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to the internet that we have the first document out of area 51,
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the stand now log line.
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We have verified the Wilson Davis men memo.
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Kasternik and another military general that were in the Wilson Davis men memo.
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We found those on documents on what's called the military bulletin board.
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an internal memo board,
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memo board for DOD people.
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And somebody on the internet found the two names.
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One was a brigadier general and one was an,
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and they were in the scientific advisory.
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They had SAB bagged their name.
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These two names were on the Wilson Davis memo.
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We found them on total innocuous documents on this military bulletin board.
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I'm happy to prove Eric Davis,
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I don't know if he denies it or not.
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he definitely does not talk about it.
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He was asked about it.
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I will not talk about it.
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We found Paul Kaminsky,
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and Brigadier General Mike Kostalineck.
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and those were both on the Wilson Davis memos.
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People were saying those are fake generals and,
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And I'm very proud of that.
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I think the biggest,
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I think one of the biggest stories in ufology,
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I think people really do hate me.
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They don't want to see me win.
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I don't think that's true.
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But we have proven the OPNAC BB,
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SOM 01 extraterrestrial recovery manual is,
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I've been in contact with Ryan Wood.
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he's done a lot of work on that.
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He's got the measurements that,
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I looked at all of the,
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all of that as well.
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It's very compelling.
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Everything in that document is searchable.
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All of the names are retreads.
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the blue room at right pad,
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that was a point of contention was the S dash four.
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there is an S four at ton of power.
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S four is like just a storage facility.
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that they use it for elsewhere.
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There's one line that no one could figure out since 1954,
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where to bring living biological aliens.
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And it was a facility called OPNAC BBS 01.
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this is where you take living that aren't degenerated,
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living extraterrestrial specimens.
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Sitting there one day,
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it's on YouTube on a chat chat room.
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I think I know what OPNAC and that you've been talking about is.
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It's the oceanic platform for the North Atlantic and the Caribbean.
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And I'm like layman's terms,
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they've got biological specimens.
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They don't know if they're a contaminant to the continental United States and the people,
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they would want them on a,
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on a facility that's separate offshore.
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Also know where you can drive to.
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Italian guy named Adriano Andiamo.
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I think if I'm seeing his name right,
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says I know what the BBS is.
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It was the Bermuda biological station attached to the offshore platform.
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the investigator who created OPNAC and BBS,
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a guy by the name of,
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now I sound like UAP Gerb.
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A guy by the name of Dr.
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He was a millionaire.
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He donated this platform to who?
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The United States Navy.
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They didn't talk about aliens in his bio.
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And what else did he help the Navy with?
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I know you're shocked.
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Art Sherlock was like a,
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But they used this facility for aliens in 54.
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when S2 Alpha at Papoose Lake was built.
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And they transferred.
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And we have the FOIA document from that.
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And then they transferred from there to Utah.
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And in the mid nineties,
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I believe the Papoose Lake facility has been under caretaker status since,
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since the mid nineties.
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And probably since Bob Lazar.
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The minute Lazar came out,
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that wheels were implemented to,
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to switch the program.
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I think it's interesting too,
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because Victor had mentioned that the alien was brought to,
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I wonder if that was the big thing that made the Russians leave.
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Cause there was something,
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there was some discovery,
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according to Bob that happened in,
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Is the Russians disparted.
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And they were working very closely with the Russians.
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And if you're working with the Russians,
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it must've been of utter importance to work with like your enemy like that.
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Like so closely leave them into like the most,
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like deepest part of the bowels of like the secrecy.
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And then just to kick them out,
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there must've been like some massive discovery.
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And then this guy saying that the alien was brought there in 89.
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So I wonder if that was the reason they were like,
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get the Russians out of here,
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get us some psychics in the mountains of Vermont.
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I wish I knew the provenance of that beam.
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what crash or what hard,
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Do you know that two remote view,
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there's another thing,
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but separate from Jon Stewart,
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do you know that two remote viewing groups remote viewed that this alien interview video
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opposed from me and both said,
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we're seeing a tan bean.
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There's a partition and he's in a no man's land.
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No man's land is Papoose Lake.
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That's a nuclear fallout basically.
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to the point where Richard Dolan was in on the session,
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is like Jon Stewart's Don Quixote,
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the alien interview,
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I believe it's real from this blind,
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And from what has Jon,
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it kind of matches the description loosely to,
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Dan's had like scales on it too.
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and was like more brown.
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Dan was in a biosphere.
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These people specifically set a partition.
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And we're seeing a partition.
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That's the other thing.
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It was a biosphere to,
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unlike Paul Benowitz,
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did not have a good interaction.
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I actually emailed Bill Moore who everyone told me he would never email me back.
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And he has emailed me back.
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He also is so frustrated with me.
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He told me not to email him again till March.
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And as Rick Doty said,
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did you do realize you're,
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you made Bill Moore crazy.
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The guy that's supposed to,
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I George Costanza'd him.
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do not contact me till March 15th to the Ides of March.
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I just want to say one thing.
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Why till March 15th?
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It's the Ides of March.
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He's very hyper intelligent.
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I would tell you he was Victor,
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but he knows everything about it.
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And I just want to tell you what he left me.
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claims he wasn't Victor claims.
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He had the necktie that Victor wore that he threw away six years ago,
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that he knows who Victor is.
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And that he's played a small part in this.
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He said it was a hoax.
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why would John Stewart debunk his,
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cause I don't care if it's real or not.
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He said it was a hoax.
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but if I tell you the truth of that film,
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and if I tell you the truth of what that film is about,
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you and I will be swinging from an end of a rope.
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That is in an email from an 84 year old,
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former asset of the CIA.
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He was an asset of the CIA,
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not of Rick Doty and,
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If I tell you the truth,
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you and I will swing from an end of a rope.
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You ask your viewers,
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I'm going to keep going.
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I will find Victor's complete identity.
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is that the mission?
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Gotta be the mission.
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It's like the octopus.
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you prove the alien or you prove the video alien,
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or at least prove the government did it.
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I know the United States government had a hand in filming this,
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or at least recreating and filming this.
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I'll tell you where my conviction level has been raised,
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incredibly due to this conversation.
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So I want to thank you for coming here and enlightening me,
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there are some people that give you a bad rap for some reason.
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I can't figure it out.
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you have very agro energy,
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it's directed in a way that we,
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we want people like you kicking down doors and taking names.
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Cause I'm not going to do it.
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I'm not that person.
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I'm a person who has conversations and who thinks philosophically maybe in my quiet little corner,
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and UAP Gerb is another person who's kicking doors.
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I think we need more people like that,
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regardless of clashing personalities.
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I think what you're doing is a,
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is a net positive to,
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I'd like to see you continue that safely and,
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wish you all the safety in your journey.
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hopefully you get to find out who Victor is.
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if anybody wants to support you,
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where can they find you?
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I think the best way,
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and it's worked for six years and,
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and I've been told that this familiarity,
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this personal touch is probably what got me a lot of people to help me.
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Instead of them having to call a company and go through a switchboard and get all of me,
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John J O N without the H,
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S T E W A R T at AOL.com.
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Don't laugh at I have AOL.
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you're a true gentleman.
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Thank you so much for,
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And I hope we covered,
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most of what you wanted to talk about today.
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I know you probably got a lot of,
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It's been a great conversation.
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with how people view you on the internet,
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this moves my investigation and the conversation and,
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it moves the needle in a,
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in a good direction that will help us solve this.
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I'm pretty certain it will.
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Thanks for your time.
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