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But I have Billy Hollowell, who I asked to come back.
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Was it the beginning of the week, Billy, or was it last week that you were on?
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And we were talking about, it was last Friday.
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We were talking about your show, Investigating the Supernatural Miracles.
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And we didn't get a chance to get to aliens, you know, and this whole thing about extraterrestrial.
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And the insiders, when you were on, they all wanted me to ask you about this.
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And we just ran out of time.
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So I wanted to have you back because there is this debate, not only are aliens real, but now there's this other debate that I'm not really engaged on.
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And I'd love to have you explain it.
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That these are not, that if you're from another planet, this way I understand it, I could be wrong.
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If you're from another planet, you're not part of God's plan, you're a demon.
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Is that what people are saying or do I have that screwed up?
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Because that sounds nuts to me.
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So here's what people are saying.
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What they're saying is you sort of pull back and you say, okay, people are experiencing something, right?
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And I think that's the key here.
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People are seeing something.
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This isn't people making it up.
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There are claims of encounters.
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There are claims of seeing UFOs.
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And when I talk about encounters, there are people who claim that they've actually interacted with these aliens.
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They've been abducted.
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And it sounds crazy, but this is something that is very prevalent.
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Now, that causes us to say, okay, are they all crazy or did they see something?
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I think that the conclusion, even among a lot of scientists now, is that, hey, people are seeing something.
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But where the debate is, is what are they actually seeing?
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Are they seeing beings from another planet?
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Or are they seeing something spiritual?
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And that makes sense to me.
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That makes sense to me.
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To say that, you know, that life, that we're alone in the planet, and if anything else comes off of any other planet, is not part of God's plan or it's evil, does not make sense.
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So if people are saying that, I would disagree with.
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But if you're talking about people seeing and interacting right now with aliens, that the possibility is that that is a dark spiritual force, I absolutely believe that could be true.
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Well, and that's what's so interesting about this.
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Well, that's what's so interesting about this, because when you read Ephesians 6 in the Bible, when you look at these different verses, it doesn't just say there's Satan and demons.
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It talks about principalities and powers, and there's some mystery here in what is going on.
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But one of the theories, one of the key theories among a lot of Christians, is that people are seeing things in the skies.
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They're interacting with these things.
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They believe there's sort of a deception theory here, right?
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And we cover this in Investigating the Supernatural Angels and Demons.
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You can see that over at CBN.com forward slash supernatural.
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But, you know, we cover it because the idea is that there's a deception and that the demons want you to believe they're aliens, but they're actually demonic.
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And they're presenting themselves.
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And I know this sounds crazy, but they're presenting themselves as aliens.
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Now, when you do look at Scripture, you see that angels, and we can get into the whole debate about what are demons even, because that's sort of part of this.
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Angels do show up in different forms, even as people throughout Scripture.
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So this idea that if these are demons, they could manifest as aliens or something else, it's an interesting prospect.
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And we can talk even about some of the evidence that people will raise to make this claim.
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But demons cannot – excuse me for – I mean, this is such a novice question, I'm sure, for you.
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But I thought demons could possess bodies but do not have bodies, right?
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No, you are correct.
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And this is where this debate gets very, very interesting because there are all different theories on this, right?
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Not everybody – and that's why I brought up what are demons.
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You kind of have to work backwards on this with the alien question because there is a debate even among Christians when it comes to what are demons.
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Now, the common belief is that demons are fallen angels, right?
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Now, if that's true, angels can manifest in physical form, right?
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They have bodies in Scripture.
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We see this numerous times where they appear as people, where the Bible even tells us you may entertain angels unaware.
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You think they're people, they're not.
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But the other theory is that demons are actually the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.
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And that is an interesting theory, and it's one that has been picking up some steam even among theologians.
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But basically, you go back to Genesis 6, you see these giants, right, that the Bible talks about.
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And you have to kind of extend outside of Scripture into the book of Enoch, which is referenced in Scripture.
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I know this is a lot.
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But to kind of pull this theory together.
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It's in the Apocrypha.
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Yes, it's in the Apocrypha.
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But Jude references it, which is very interesting, in the New Testament.
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He references a piece of that book, which means there was at least some belief that parts of that book were valid, or they were at least well-known among the Jewish people at the time.
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So the idea that the Nephilim died in the flood and we're no longer bodied and we're looking for bodies and that that's what demons are, that's another theory we tackle in the film as well.
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So your question is a good one, though.
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This is fascinating to me.
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The Nephilim, because years ago I had no idea about the giants and everything else.
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And the Nephilim, correct me if I'm wrong, the Nephilim are angels that were supposed to protect mankind, I believe.
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They were literal giants.
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And they, you know, are really butchering this, but they're sitting around having a conversation and maybe a beer and they're like, you know what, let's just go down there and we can mate with them and we'll make, you know, super humans.
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And so they come down and that is where we get the giants of the past is they took human women, mated with them and made these giants.
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And that's why one of the reasons why God destroyed everything with, you know, mankind in the flood, because we had augmented ourself with these things.
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You're saying that they didn't go away, that this might be the explanation for what we're seeing?
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So, yeah, and here's the thing that gets so wild, because this sounds science fiction and it sounds crazy, but this is what the book of Enoch says.
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Now, the Bible talks about, and again, Genesis 6, it does talk about this.
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So it was the fallen angels who came down, according to Enoch, and mated with human women and produced the Nephilim.
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So these Nephilim are then wiped out in the flood.
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As you said, they're doing all these things that God hates.
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They're wiped out in the flood and they have been seeking a body ever since.
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That is one theory of what demons are.
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And that's why when you ask the question, well, aren't angels bodied, right?
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They can have a body.
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They can form, they can show up in physical form.
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What's interesting about the alien discussion is you could make either argument here.
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You could say, well, are fallen angels not really necessarily demons that can possess people, but are they the aliens that are walking around physically manifesting as this thing, right?
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And so this is such a complicated discussion.
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But I think the key thing in pulling back is if there aren't aliens from other planets, then what are people experiencing?
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And it seems that many would say in the Christian realm they're actually experiencing a spiritual battle that's pouring over these spiritual creatures that are demonic, right?
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Whether you think they're Nephilim or fallen angels, they're part of the realm of darkness and they're convincing people that there's something else.
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And then the big question is, well, why would they do that?
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Is there a deception here?
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If the whole world is believing in aliens, what does that mean?
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Is there a deception here?
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That seems like such a crazy question to ask.
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That's the whole point of the dark side is deception.
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Yeah, I, you know, when you explain it this way, to me that makes sense.
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You know, Tucker Carlson came out, what, a year ago and said he experienced a demon in the middle of the night.
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And he said, I had claw marks on my back that my wife saw the next day.
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You know, I think we are in a battle of good and evil.
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And it's, we have to be really, really, really careful right now.
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Even the very elect will be lost at this time.
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Well, and can I say something about what you just said about Tucker and that story?
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Because this is really important.
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Because people are going to say, this sounds so crazy.
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You know, and there are people, look, even in the Christian realm, who do believe that aliens exist as their own sort of species.
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And we could talk about that.
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But I think what we're seeing right now is a full culture that wants to talk only about aliens.
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And that should alarm us to a degree because we have to answer.
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We have to have an answer.
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We have to come to that conclusion.
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But what you were saying about Tucker, one of the things in looking at this, and Hugh Ross is in Investigating the Supernatural, he talks about this.
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When you compare people's interactions with aliens, the claimed aliens, to the demonic, they mirror one another.
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There's nighttime visitations, paralysis, you know, fear, being very scared, you know, telepathy.
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All the things that when people are possessed or oppressed, they claim to experience.
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We see a parallel with these alien encounters.
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And this one's wild.
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There are many researchers who say that the minute you mention Jesus' name, the alien encounter will stop.
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And so those are things that do add credence to that this is actually a spiritual manifestation.
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Which would also account for why we don't see, you know, there's so many claims of technology.
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And I know there's congressmen talking about this that we're seeing.
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But we haven't really laid our eyes on any of this stuff that is as physical as people are claiming.
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So that will be interesting to see as well.
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So I think, Billy, I think I come away agreeing, if this is what you're saying, that there is a spiritual battle going on.
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And that could be what we're seeing and experiencing when we claim we have these encounters.
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And that we don't know what aliens are.
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I mean, I don't want to put them into a box that they are one thing or another because we've never really seen them.
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What we are seeing could be very well a spiritual being on the dark side.
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That makes sense to me.
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But to say everything in space is bad just is not reasonable.
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And that's not what you're saying, right?
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No, that's not what I'm saying at all.
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And I think there's a lot of mystery here.
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I think what I'm saying is Ephesians 6, if people don't know it, if you're not a Christian, you've never read the Bible, go and read that because it's very interesting.
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We are in the middle of this battle, like we were saying last week.
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And in order to navigate and survive that battle, we've got to understand and look at things with a spiritual lens.
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And that is the key.
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Hey, Billy, I'm going to ask you again.
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I can't believe I'm asking you this again.
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Can you come back next Friday?
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Because I want you to go over that Ephesians thing on principalities and powers.
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Come back next Friday.
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We'll talk about that.
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