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I don't care what people think about this documentary if they don't watch it.
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Watch it. That's all I care about, is that you watch it.
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I don't think there's a better, more well-documented recent case in the world.
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Some of the most compelling eyewitness testimony into an alien being.
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It was like an entire family and they all saw this object and it was really big, shaped like a disc, zero noise.
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A police chief saying, yeah, there was aliens.
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The alien was alive in this bed right there.
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And so they came up, I don't know, 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock in the morning and they came out there and they saw this cigar-shaped submarine or the size of a big school bus.
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All the animals were going crazy.
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And he said he got out of the car and the smell was so overwhelming.
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Like ammonia and sulfur.
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There was some sort of weird chemical acid on the grass.
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It was burning the grass.
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I had forgotten that he had touched the craft.
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That he had a piece in his hand.
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I would feel that anxiety in my stomach.
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Unreachable 26 years gone.
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Once they did the test on the bacteria, determined that this is nothing like they've seen in their entire careers.
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It was a strain of a bacteria that they've seen, but not the way this was evolved.
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And the way it was, it was, nothing could stop it.
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It's the biggest, most significant development in the history of the phenomenon because I challenge anyone out there to show me testimony from anyone, particularly a neurosurgeon.
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An active neurosurgeon, not retired.
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Not retired, not retired, who's putting his entire career on the line to say, I had face-to-face contact, telepathic communication for three to four minutes with an alien.
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Hi, my name's Alex, and I'm February 22nd, 2022.
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I was working as a crew member on a TV show at Austin Studios in Austin, Texas.
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And in the early afternoon hours, we witnessed a craft that was spinning in a clockwise direction about three to six thousand feet above the studio.
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It was horseshoe or crescent shaped, white in color, and had a light corona around it.
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We watched this craft for about five minutes and noticed a white orb shoot southbound across the parking lot at a height of about one thousand feet.
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While we tracked the orb, the craft disappeared.
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Never saw it again that day.
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Five weeks later, on March 31st, 2022, I witnessed the craft in the same location at the same studio at a height of about one thousand feet, and it was massive.
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It was about the size of a coach bus, spinning in the same clockwise direction with no decals, no windows, no visible sense propulsion, moving in the same clockwise direction towards the horizon.
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I also witnessed this with two other crew members at the time and have had no explanation as to what it is.
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Ladies and gentlemen, before we get into today's video, I want to introduce an exclusive clip that we've been given courtesy of James Fox.
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This clip features Dr. Italo Venturelli, who was the neurosurgeon who actually telepathically communicated with this being as it was lying in the hospital bed.
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I also want to say that this was not abundantly clear in James's documentary, but many people have addressed this online afterwards, that Italo had in fact kind of changed his story, where initially he said he'd seen a video of the being, and now he says that he was in the room with the being.
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The reason for that, from what I understand, is that he did not want to thrust himself into the limelight.
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Many people working at that same hospital obviously felt the same by keeping their privacy and anonymity.
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They would remove themselves from any potential harm to their lives.
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After suffering a near-fatal heart attack and also losing his partner, earlier Italo had a change of heart in that moment and decided to come clean on what exactly he saw.
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Now, he puts his reputation on the line as a neurosurgeon.
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He is someone you would trust to operate on your brain for 13 hours straight.
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And as we find out later in our interview, was actually fired due to his earlier comments prior to the release of this documentary.
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And they have since reinstated his position because the hospital couldn't function to its fullest capacity without him.
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So if you're thinking that he is not fit to be a doctor because of these claims, you are sorely mistaken.
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He is still a practicing brain surgeon.
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I will let the video play for itself in its original language to convey both his emphasis, his cadence, and his genuine message.
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After which the podcast will begin.
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Please enjoy this message from Dr. Italo Venturelli.
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My name is Italo Danelli Venturelli.
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I'm sure that I will tell you that it's true.
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I'm a doctor for 46 years.
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And in 1996, on the 20th of January, I was called to see a patient.
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And when I was to see, it was a person of our planet.
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I was called to give my opinion on the case.
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And I saw the case from the point of view of medical.
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I was conscious, without pain, without pain, without pain, without pain, without pain.
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I was very calm, very calm.
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I was like a kid of 7 years old, brown, not bad.
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I had a head big, but in shape of a gota.
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One of the hands was inside the field and the other out.
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The eye was not red, was red, was red, also in shape of a gota.
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And I looked at a very calm.
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I was not agitated, not agitated, not agitated.
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I was not with pain.
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And in my opinion, I was not with fear.
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I was understanding what was happening there.
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It was a very beautiful view of seeing.
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It was a very beautiful view of seeing.
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It was like, without judgment.
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Two times, he looked at me, looked at the window, looked at me again.
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I felt like, I was close to him, a half-foot-foot-foot.
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I was looking at him, but I was close to him.
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And the way of looking at him was a way that he looked at me.
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He looked at me as a way that he looked at me.
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It seems that it was a greater intelligence than ours, than our human.
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He was understanding, although he was in a situation of defense,
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he was not afraid, he was understanding what was happening.
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Possibly he should have some purpose,
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something to do what he was doing.
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And the truth is that I am a testemunha ocular.
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I see the being, yes.
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They can say what they are, they can, they say something,
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they say something, but I see it there, in my face.
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It's important people know that we are not talking about money,
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we are talking about something that changes the concept of humanity,
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that is a being of another place.
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I went there, I went to look for a call,
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I went to see another patient and I saw it.
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So I think it's important people know that, yes,
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who saw the space船, we saw it, we saw it.
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And it's not easy to be here in front of the camera talking about this.
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They ask, ask, ask, ask, and it seems we are lying,
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we have to insist on it.
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I already believed that I saw it, and I saw it, right?
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That the younger beings believe that it exists, yes.
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This feels familiar.
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It's been almost exactly, actually, a year.
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Um, actually January would make it a year since you graced us
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with your presence here in the skiff.
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Thank you so much for having me on.
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I have to say one thing.
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This will be a first.
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Un chasseur sèche en chasse sans son chien
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faisait sèche sur saussette sur un sous sèche.
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How long have you been rehearsing this,
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and how long have you been holding it from me?
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Crazy French tongue twister for all of you that thought your,
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um, the video was glitching.
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Um, yeah, I didn't actually, we went out to dinner last night,
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and I didn't realize how good your French is.
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Yeah, you spent a lot of time in, in...
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I lived in Paris, yeah.
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Wow, and you picked all that up in two years.
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Well, I, I really immersed myself, and I had a roommate who didn't speak a stitch of English,
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which was incredibly frustrating.
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His name was André Lavièque.
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And, uh, first three to five months, particularly when we were arguing over something, I was so frustrated,
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because I was like, I couldn't communicate with this guy, and English wasn't on the table at all.
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But, after five, six months, it really, plus I was going to school.
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And so that really helped.
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And I wanted to learn it.
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I like that you folded and he didn't.
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He's like, this is Paris, I will not speak English.
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We got into an argument.
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Okay, he, I like chocolate.
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I'm a huge chocolate fan.
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As you noticed last night, I got a chocolate cake.
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And he's like, oh, he's like, uh, il faut, il faut mettent un peu de sel au-dessus et ça fait sortir le vrai goût.
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So you had to put salt on your chocolate.
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With dark chocolate, maybe?
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It brings out, but I didn't want salt.
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This is like years ago.
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Nobody put salt on their chocolate.
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I was like, no, I don't want salt on it.
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He goes, well, then you cannot have, you know.
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So we got this argument.
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So every time I see chocolate with salt on top, I think of this guy, André Lavièque, and he's like, well, fine, you're not, you know, how do you take his?
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Um, speaking of chocolate, let's segue to aliens.
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Um, you, sir, have just released the next phase of moment of contact by the time this airs.
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And which is, you know, for me, possibly the most convincing case of not only crash retrieval, but of being interaction that I've ever heard.
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It is, I am, I will say with confidence, I'm not one to sling around.
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I believe, or I don't believe I am at as near 100% conviction that this is true as I can possibly be.
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Especially after this latest iteration.
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And it is an update to the previous moment of contact.
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What's the full title?
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Uh, it's, it's moment of contact and then colon new revelations of alien encounters.
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Interviews with, you know, for anyone out there thinking, oh, uh, it's just some townsfolk and a farmer and a, no.
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And by the way, I believe farmers too.
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No slight to farmers.
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I actually believe them a lot more than most people.
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Uh, but we're talking, uh, pathologists.
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We're talking neurosurgeons who are ahead of multiple hospitals.
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We're talking police chiefs.
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We're talking, uh, really the most credible people that a community could produce.
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And all of this happened almost exactly 30 years ago.
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And if, if you don't mind, I, I kind of like to just back up a moment here because.
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You know, um, I think it's important for people to realize, like, I didn't just believe it cause I heard like, oh, UFO crash.
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In fact, it was quite the opposite.
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When I heard about this case, I was working on my second.
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My second UFO documentary turned out to be out of the blue.
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And I've said this before and I'm going to say it again.
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I, I heard about it through my partner that we were producing out of the blue with.
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And he was like, oh mate, you know, we've got to look into this, this crash case in Brazil, you know?
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And, and these live aliens walking through the town and I just.
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I couldn't have dismissed it faster.
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I mean, it was like, yeah, you're nuts.
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I'm not going to spend one second looking into that absolute garbage of a case.
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And I remember probably.
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I mean, I, I made it, I made out of the blue.
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Didn't look into it.
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Refused to read one thing about it.
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The out of the blue came out.
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Then I made another documentary.
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Um, I know what I saw, which took me probably three or four years.
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And, uh, that was a two hour special for the history channel.
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And at the end of that, I got invited to give a presentation in, in Brazil on the film I'd done.
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And a really good friend of mine who's been very influential behind the scenes and helping me get, uh, you know, distribution and stuff like that.
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He never wanted credit, never wanted a penny.
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His name was, uh, Jeff Siggansky and had a lot of respect for him.
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Very high up on the entertainment industry, food chain.
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And he's like, Oh, James, you're going to Brazil.
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This is years later.
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You're going to Brazil.
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Oh, you gotta look into that.
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That, you know, that UFO crash case.
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Five aliens in Virginia.
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No, there's another guy.
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So my other partner was just like.
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This is your second sign.
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Well, so he tells me and, and I was like, God, not this case, but I had so much respect for him and he was so helpful and influential that I just said, yeah, Jeff.
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I'll definitely look into that for you.
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I'm not going to waste one second on that ridiculous case.
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Jeff, change your life.
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I just really want people to understand like how opposed to this case I was and I was making UFO documentaries.
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Like I just totally, completely respect any skepticism.
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All I ask is that the people suspend judgment.
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And just listen to the firsthand eyewitness testimony because it's riveting.
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In your defense, somebody saying crash saucer, crash craft, beings running around town.
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Most people would have the same reaction.
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You weren't confronted with the amount of evidence that you've compiled.
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You know, you know, you know, this was brought to your attention.
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Nobody came up to you and said, well, there's a head neurosurgeon that actually will testify that he looked at the live being in the eyes for several minutes and had telepathic communication with him.
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You weren't told, oh, there's a pathologist that once they did the test on the bacteria determined that this is nothing like they've seen in their entire careers.
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And these guys have been working for 45 years as professional pathologists and have done a million, you know, biological tests and have never seen anything.
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This isn't you weren't confronted with a police chief saying, yeah, there was aliens.
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This was all prior to that.
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So I think you're forgiven.
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And I think most people would have felt the same way, but things have changed.
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You've been to Brazil over 15 times.
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Well, how many times?
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Oh, I've gone, I'll by the time this airs, I would have been there three times this year alone.
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So you've been going for 15 years, what I meant to say.
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And I going back and forth and going there, not believing it.
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In fact, quite the contrary.
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I reluctantly after meeting with, with Stanton Friedman, who just so happened to be in the same place I was invited to the same conference I was the first time.
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And I was like, you know, he was high conviction on it too.
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He's like, he's like, oh, James, you know, cause I'm not going to go.
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I'm like, oh, James, you know, cause somehow it came up at the conference and we were in a place called Peru Ibi to the south of Sao Paulo.
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It was on the coast.
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In fact, I know it was on the coast.
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And, uh, he's like, oh yeah, you know, you heard about the case.
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I was like, oh God, I started rolling my eyes and I was like, yeah, I've heard about it, but you know, come on, live aliens walking.
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And then Stanton's like, no man, it's, you should look into that.
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That's, and Stanton is the reason why him and a handful of others that we, you know, Kevin Randall and Don Schmidt.
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Well, that we know about.
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But I was saying that I had so much respect for him because, because of him, we're talking about Roswell.
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And Randall and Don Schmidt.
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A handful of others.
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I'll, I'll, I'll take a look.
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I'll, I'll take a look.
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And I, and I, I hooked up with a guy, Marco Leal, who deserves colossal amount of credit.
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And he was kind of into it early on.
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I think maybe he'd been at it for six years when, when, when we met.
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And, and, uh, you know, there was other researchers that came before me, Claudio Covo, uh, AJ Javard, uh, Uber to Jada Rodriguez, Pacacini, uh, Marco Petit.
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Those guys deserve credit really.
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And, but there, you know, there was, I think it was only one article when it happened in, um, I think it was the wall street journal written by one guy.
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And it was like, basically stinky aliens get the attention of, you know, the town and in a, in a place in Brazil.
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And it was somewhat dismissive.
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And, but that was it.
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It was the only news coverage it got in America.
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That one little article in the wall street journal in 1996.
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So Americans didn't hear about it, even though the Americans and I didn't realize the Americans were involved with the case until like over a decade.
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They kept a really tight lid.
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They almost, they almost got away with it.
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They almost got away with it.
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They just got away with it.
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They just got away with it.
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They were like, oh, that's so crazy.
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Um, so today what I'd like to go through with you.
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For bringing us all up to date.
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Um, there are several, several new pieces of information testimony, and not just anecdotal evidence, but actual, um, actual evidence of this being completely an anomalous event.
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features many, you know, anomalies within it. Yes. And so what we're going to do today is I'd
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like to go through, basically I watched the documentary and I took all my notes and I'd
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like to go through certain parts for you to maybe go into a little bit more detail. And because of
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cutting, you know, we couldn't get into those, uh, in the film. Um, but also I want to spend a large
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part of this time going through the case of Marco Chirizzi and his autopsy report, which I've been
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provided. Yeah. Um, I have a copy of the autopsy report, which we've had translated. And for those
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of you who do not know, uh, Mr. Chirizzi was in the military and he was, he was the person who took
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this being in his arms and brought him into the hospital and then developed a severe bacteriological
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viral illness that, uh, killed him within weeks. And it was a complete mystery until now. Now we
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kind of have a lot more evidence about that. So I think it's just a really important case.
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Yeah. And, uh, thank you, Dr. Giannini, who the founder of IPD, who did the, uh, analysis back in
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1996. And thank you, Dr. Armando for having the courage to come forward on camera for this latest
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cut and put your necks out for the rest of us, because these people have everything to lose,
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nothing to gain lifelong reputations in their field. And essentially, particularly Dr. Giannini
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is coming forward and saying, I've never seen anything like it before. Yeah. I've never seen
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anything like it since, and I've done thousands and thousands of, uh, of, uh, analysis, uh, you know,
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forensic pathologists for, for decades. And, and I want to get to that because there's also Dr.
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Uh, for Tato. Yes. Uh, the cardiologist. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well that who, who, who, uh, Marco went to go
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see right, uh, right at the beginning. Cause he had, he had problems. This was like, uh, this was
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mentioned that Marco came clean to this doctor because he's like, yeah, yeah. So sorry. Yes. I
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need you to save my life. Um, because essentially he was ill and he spilled the beans in hopes that it
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would help him find some type of cure with his illness and what was going on with him. So, um,
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yeah. So are we talking specifically about Marco Chariz right now? Because yeah. Okay. I was going
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to say what led us to the other guy, but yeah, we can still laser like focus on that. Let's go.
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Let's start a little bit before that. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I want to start with Carlos D'Souza.
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Okay. Uh, Carlos, who was the original crash witness that you featured in the first moment of
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contact has an incredible emotional reaction to the crash site where he literally falls to his
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knees and cries. Um, just a startling piece of footage watching that, you know, so I'm so glad
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you guys caught that on video. That was just such a powerful moment. And Carlos is a geography
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professor. So, you know, he's not, uh, I don't know. And an ultralight pilot. And yeah, absolutely.
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So, you know, um, he's got a keen eye, he's a credible witness and, you know, you were able
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to talk to him and bring him to the crash site. Can you tell me what it was like watching him
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just start running and, and, and being, you know, telling you it's here, a key, a key. He's
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like, it's here, it's here. That was just so such an emotional piece.
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Well, it was really initially quite frustrating because we, uh, Marco Leal had found, cause,
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okay, so I'm going to back up for a minute. I did a film called The Phenomenon and in The
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Phenomenon, I worked for five or six years, maybe a little longer on the Virginia case,
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you know, and I was introducing Rua. I did a bunch of cases around the world, one in Australia,
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one in Africa, you know, just cases scattered across the world. And one of the cases I was going
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to cover in the film was Virginia. But at the end of the day, I got towards the end of the
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phenomenon and I just thought, you know, this really doesn't fit. And I'm missing critical
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witnesses. We're missing the guy, the crash witness. It came forward one time and then
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vanished for 26 years. There was just other aspects of the story. And I decided to delete it
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out of the film, which was a very painful day. I call it killing your darlings. And I remember the
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very day when I, in the timeline and all the work I'd done and all the, you know, transcribe,
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you know, the subtitle, everything just click, boom, gone. And, um, and Marco was devastated.
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He's like, we've been working on this for so long. I can't believe you did that. I was like, Marco,
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there's more witnesses we got to find. I said, I can't squeeze it in here. It's just,
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it's not going to work. We're going to make a film on this case, but we got to go and find these
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witnesses. We got to find the crash witness that we got to find, you know, Carlos de Souza
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and, and, and many others. And so I said, we're going to, we're going to put a laser
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like focus on this case and we're going to make movie just about this case because it,
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it warrants it. Marco with, with the help of other Brazilian researchers and they found
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Carlos de Souza and managed to get him to consider coming forward. And then we met with him.
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We, we flew there. I think it was in 2021 with a camera crew. We're going to be there for a month.
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And he agreed to come meet with us in Sao Paulo, which he did. And then we had FaceTime with him and
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Hey man, can we take you back for the first time in 26, 27 years, wherever it's been to the crash site?
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You hadn't been there since 96. Uh, would you do, you know, and he agrees to do it.
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So we go off to the site and we're driving around aimlessly and, and, you know,
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my leaning farm just outside Virginia and he can't find the bloody crash site. And we were
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looking all over in the movie. It's condensed to just a few minutes. I don't know. It could
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have been an hour. It could have been two hours. And I'm thinking to myself, how does this guy not
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know where the bloody crash site is? Like, I mean, Oh yeah, it's been over a quarter of a century.
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And I'm thinking this movie is not off to a good start. You know, we hadn't gotten like
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military acts and these other people, cause you find a witness. And just because you find the
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witnesses, getting them to come forward on camera, even anonymously is nearly impossible.
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Like I can't even tell you, Marco Leal deserves so much credit. He would massage contacts with us
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for five years, six, seven, eight years. Sousa gets out there. He's, he, he can't find it.
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Like he doesn't recognize anything that the topography had changed, you know? So I'm thinking
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myself like, man, Jesus, this is, you know, this is terrible. So then I had a drone and he kept
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saying, there's a white house. And I said, how do you know? I know there's one aspect of this.
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There was a white, a small white house. I took the drone up in the, in the sky. And I remember
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seeing this tiny little roof off in the distance, some trees had grown. I guess you couldn't see it
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from where we were. And I was like, okay, this could be it. And we were, and we were running
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down to that spot. And I remember my cameraman, he was old, older guy, Dave West. He's amazing.
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But he was like, slow down. You know, like you see, you guys, you gotta slow down. I can't,
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you know, I can't be, I said, Dave, if you can't, you know, this is happening. This is unraveling
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as it's unraveling and you're going to have to capture the moment or not. Like, and so we're all
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running and we're, we're just chasing after him because he.
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Cause he's like, stop the car, stop the car. You see it like panic in his eyes. He's like,
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stop driving now. It's here.
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And he's running, he's running down to the spot and you can just see like,
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it's all happening. He's reliving everything. He's looking around. I mean, you could just see
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in his face and tears flowing down his face. And it's a very dramatic moment in the, in the movie.
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And I was like, I was extremely grateful that it wasn't a reenactment. I mean, we, we,
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we captured it as it, as it unraveled and it was just amazing. But I tell you two hours prior,
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I was thinking the whole time, like, this is not going well.
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Yeah. So I'm, I'm glad you caught that. Um, it was amazing even to see him have a branch
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because the craft that crashed there was like a tube, like structure was like some cigar, like,
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you know, and you know, with, with a breach in the hall and it was like, it was going down
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and, and he kind of did this. And then he went like this and I'm like, cause when you're explaining
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with your hand, the UFO was here and then it went here, you don't really visualize it,
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but when he had the stick and he went like this and I was like, whoa, that must be so wild to witness.
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I have that stick in my office.
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In my edit room. I look at it every day.
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I do. And it even had like a torn bit at the backside.
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Which is exactly what the craft he described. Everyone who saw the craft, either struggling in the sky.
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Yeah. Said that it had a tear in the back of it and they had like a white vapor smoke coming.
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Yeah. The farm, the farmers that live nearby.
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Yeah. Enrico and Orellini.
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They, they also, they also said there was a breach in, in the back.
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Yes. And they said that they wouldn't have heard it or seen it had it not been for the animals on
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their farm going crazy.
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The cows, right. Yeah.
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Yeah. All the animals were going crazy. And so they came up, I don't know, two o'clock,
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three o'clock in the morning and they came out there and they saw this cigar shaped
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submarine or the size of a big school bus, all like aluminum cigar.
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Aluminum with a gash in the back with white vapor, not like a smoke from a fire. They described it
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as a white vapor coming out the back. And, and she was like, I was just waiting for it to hit the
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ground. Like it was struggling to stay in the air.
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Unbelievable. Then we have a new witness. And for the first time in this cut, we got maps,
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Google maps. And we did, you know, graphics of like, okay, this is where this person,
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this is Furtado, this is the Orellina. This is where the actual thing crashed according to Carlos.
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And it all made perfect sense.
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Right there. It's like, oh.
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What a beautiful visualization for anyone trying to piece that together, because if you've not been,
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And you don't know if they're going to know all wine.
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You don't know at the time. It was like, we got the map. It was like, oh my Lord.
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You guys did that in the first one with the sort of suburb of, you know, the town.
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The encounter where we had the different blockades and we had, you know, where the girls saw the
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being. And, uh, but yeah, to, to, to, to see all the, all it all map out like that.
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Like, wow, that's exactly where the witnesses would be at that angle. And so, yeah, that was great.
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And we don't have to get into this now, but we also make the connection for the first time.
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We had featured, which my opinion is one of the better night shots of a disc craft.
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I want to get to that.
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That is, yeah. For me, I mean, I was like the UFO nerd in me is like, dude, that's authentic.
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That's it, it lines up with, you know, all the stories you hear from, uh, was it Chuck
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Um, I mean, Chuck Clark talked about, uh, he had a copy of a disc, but yeah.
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But it lines up with what the stories that you hear about what he saw, which is like this
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orange glowing thing.
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If you look at also there's the, uh, the guy in, in Mexico who, uh, Carlos Diaz, Carlos
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You know, his photos line up with that and there's several others that really, uh, even,
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I, I think even, um, Bob Lazar's case, uh, when they went out to S4 on those few nights
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to, it's kind of the same thing, this glowing molten thing.
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It's like, like the skin is alive.
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Like, like it's roiling dynamic.
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Like, like phosphorus on a beach, but the whole thing is just glowing.
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Like it's all energy source or something.
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So, you know, we have Carlos D'Souza, is it pronounced or D'Souza?
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Uh, Carlos D'Souza, because Sousa, I've heard it pronounced.
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Um, we have him then after that going to a gas station for coffee and being accosted
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by a gentleman, um, who told him basically you're not to talk about this and you're
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too shut up, which is par for the course when it comes to the UFO stuff.
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But exactly what happened to like absolutely everybody you've talked to in that movie as
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They all say the exact same thing, whether it was from the Americans or whether it was
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from, you know, the, uh, Brazilian military.
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Um, so that happens now.
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But before, so, so when Carlos was driving on the freeway early in the morning to go
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ultra light flying, um, he saw in the sky was early in the morning, 4 35 AM, something
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He saw that cigar shaped craft exactly like the other witnesses described.
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And he was like, what?
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And he was thinking like maybe some sort of experimental craft or some military secret
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He didn't know what it was, but he was like, clearly those guys are in trouble.
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They're in trouble and it's going down.
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So he got off the freeway and he saw it just crash into the ground and he came up there
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and he was thinking, I'm going to help the pilot.
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So I'm going to, he never once thought extraterrestrial.
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He never thought UFO.
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He was just like, I got to help.
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And he arrived at the scene and he said there was a half a piece of the cigar shaped craft.
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About half the size of a large school bus intact.
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And then the other half was scattered over a very large area, bigger than a football field
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of small sort of like aluminum pieces of different shapes torn.
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And, um, and he said he got out of the car and the smell was so overwhelming, like, of like,
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uh, ammonia and sulfur.
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Like he said, he grabbed his shirt and put it over his face.
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He couldn't believe how strong his eyes were watering.
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There was some sort of weird chemical acid on the, on the grass.
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It was burning the grass.
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And he picked up one of these little pieces.
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He's just scratching his head.
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And he said he held it in his hands.
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And he said it was like so light that he couldn't really feel it in his hands.
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And he could crumple it up.
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And then when he let it go, it would reform into the shape that it was in when he picked
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And this was happening and he's just, he's baffled of this.
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What, you know, what is this?
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And that's when military trucks from the base, as I'd come in from the opposite direction
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that he arrived and they threatened him at gunpoint to leave.
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And that, at which point he got in his car, he left.
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And then 10, 15 minutes later while he was, he stopped just to gather himself at a, at a,
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And he was having a coffee and that's when these men rolled up in suits and threatened
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I had forgotten that he had touched the craft.
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That he had a piece in his hand.
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And resembles a lot of, you know, the Roswell lore as well about the memory metal or whatever.
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And then the smell, obviously the tying, you know, the string that ties this all together
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is this overwhelming smell of ammonia and sulfur, which is also comically the only thing
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that made it to this article in the United States about the stinky alien.
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I'm going to say one more thing.
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And this is something that I've been doing recently is I'm asking all the witnesses, the
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firsthand witnesses, people like Carlos and Dr.
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Italo, which we'll get to later, if they're willing to take a public lie detector test and
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they're all immediately without a moment's hesitation.
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My right hand on a Bible.
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And if there's anybody else watching this, that, you know, obviously this might be
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translated into many different languages on YouTube.
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They do that automatically now.
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And so if there's anyone out there in Virginia who has any more information about any of
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this, I think it's good to put it at the top of the episode.
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Can I give you my proton, text it to you and you can put it across the screen?
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Feel free to reach out to James if you have any, you know, information on this that you
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think could aid in his research and into the investigation of what happened.
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Particularly on the American side.
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Oh, if you're over here and you have any information about it.
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Yeah, that would be interesting.
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Really want to hear from you.
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Cause that ties everything together.
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And we'll get to that FOIA request as well.
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So then after this happens, this military blockade starts happening around town.
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And this is a town that's not familiar with this type of activity.
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It's about a week later.
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And, oh, is it a week later?
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So the crash retrieval happened.
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I didn't realize it was that long after.
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I thought it was immediately.
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No, not immediately.
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It was several days.
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And I know it's really, it's a, it's a head scratcher because.
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Does that mean these aliens were running around for a few days?
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There's all, there's all this speculation as to how they got from that location to town.
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And there's some waterways.
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When we looked at overhead, there's some waterways.
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So possibility of waterways that would lead to where they were spotted in town.
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But again, this is speculation.
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But all you can do is.
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Some people say there was a pod and escape pod.
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There was, that's, that's one, you know, theory.
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Nobody really knows.
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And I talked to some of the most leading researchers in Brazil that have been scratching their heads
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Was there other, were there other crashes during that time?
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You know, I don't think anyone has a definitive answer to that.
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But the, the most plausible, according to everyone that I've talked to, is that they
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managed to get their way and they were hiding out.
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By the water, through the water.
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Through the water, through the waterways.
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It is speculation, obviously.
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But also, you know, because later on we'll encounter this family, an entire family, by the
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way, who's got nothing to gain, everything to lose.
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Uh, that came out and said, you know, there was this disc that was spinning.
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Didn't want to go on camera.
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No, they were just, but they were so excited to talk about it finally.
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And then other people in town who also admitted to the same thing, that there was this reconnaissance
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effort that seemed to, everybody said the same thing.
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It looked like it was looking for something.
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And that's just like something that I suppose you'd have to experience to understand.
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Because I'm like, how could you determine?
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But if you look at the pattern something's doing, you're like, it's looking for something.
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But this is something else that just like, I got goosebumps just thinking about it.
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Because when we were at their house, I had flown the drone up prior to that really high
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to get a really good, you know, I put the camera straight down.
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I really want to get a lay of the land.
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I want to see where the, where the creature was allegedly captured by Eric Lopes and Marco
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I want to see where the girls encounter the creature, like, you know, in proximity to where
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And in one shot, let's just say, you know, okay, for several block area, you know, you
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So the girls see it here, captured here, just a few blocks away.
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And then five blocks away is the, the, the family that we interviewed, the entire family,
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the mother, the husband, the daughter, they were right here.
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And that craft was flying exactly over the area where all this went down.
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So whatever your drone was seeing was what the craft was seeing essentially.
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And not only that, but it was like, oh my God, it makes perfectly good sense.
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If, if there was a re a search and rescue effort, I know it sounds crazy, but if there
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was an extraterrestrial or whatever search and rescue effort, that's exactly where it would
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And, and I think at this point with the amount of evidence you brought forward, it's
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safe to assume that that is a possibility.
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Extreme possibility.
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And that's getting into that video footage that you and I could talk about a little
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Um, so this military blockade happens a week later, which is wild.
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Um, this town smells, it's the, the smell is being carried out.
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It's probably being talked about by everyone.
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So at which point everyone's pretty on board that something weird is happening.
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In fact, the news crew then gets alerted about, you know, Hey, maybe we should investigate
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First time that we have all three reporters that were there going on camera for me.
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I'd heard about, I'll, I'd gotten one nay, but not the two others.
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And they went on camera for the first time, basically saying that they were making inquiries.
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They were stopped at the military blockade, but the other two had gone to as a military
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base and were questioning.
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And they said to the news reporters, you ask one more question and you're going to jail.
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If you ask one more question, that's right.
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The reporters are doing their job.
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And they went on camera and said, yeah, they said one more question.
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You're going to jail.
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And that's, um, like you said, it's never happened before.
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It's never happened after.
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And they kept saying, you know, um, national security, national security.
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And he's, and he's trying to ask just one question and they were threatened to be.
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Weather balloons are not national security.
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And neither is the, there was, there was some effort to like write off what the girls had
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It's some, uh, gentleman in town, which I've seen him multiple times.
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He's got a birth defect and they're like, oh, it was my gene or something like this.
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And I was like, oh my God, that's the big, that's so absurd that that everyone's seen
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Everyone knows him, you know, and they just try to, you know, they were just throwing
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whatever they could against the wall to see what would stick.
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And of course nothing.
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And here we are almost 30 years later.
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The skeptics of this case after watching and reading through the autopsy report and
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hearing the witness testimonies, the skeptics of this case look more insane to me than any
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testimony I've ever heard about any alien being.
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Um, they there's, this is by far one sided here.
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Like, I mean, if anybody's skeptical, I'm skeptical of them and their motives now.
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Because if you're coming up to me after watching this, reading through the documents and looking
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at all of the evidence that you've brought forward over the last 15 years, if you're
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going to sit here and tell me that this didn't happen, I'm skeptical that you're probably part
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That's where I'm at with this case now.
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And I don't say that lightly.
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You'd have to be like.
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You'd have to be absolutely in on a coverup.
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Chief of police, two forensic pathologists, head neurosurgeon, guy that ran three different
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hospitals in the area, the head neurosurgeon, who's still active, still working there today.
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He's risking everything.
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Everything to lose and nothing to gain by coming forward.
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It's like, plus the chief of police, plus the military actually drove it, plus the three
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girls that came face to face with it in broad daylight, 10 feet away.
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The guy that, the, the guy that took the x-rays.
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I mean, there was so much evidence, so much compelling firsthand eyewitness testimony.
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Then you got the video of a craft matching the description in and around, oh yeah, it's
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a little to the South, but at the same year, it's just, oh my gosh.
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How many millions did everybody get paid to be on camera for this documentary, James?
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That's what we all really want to know.
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Especially the neurosurgeon.
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He's a neurosurgeon.
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He makes enough money.
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I could give you, I could give you an hour long story behind every interview and how
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it came about and how difficult it was to obtain.
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And people are terrified all these years later still, you know, but there are power in numbers
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and, uh, and I encourage people to come forward and join this movement.
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Let's talk about Valkyria, Liliane and Katya.
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Who witnessed this being.
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You cover this in the first one.
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We revisit in the second one, probably some of the most compelling eyewitness testimony,
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uh, to a non-human alien being, we can say.
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Um, you know, you spent a lot of time with them.
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You spent time with their mother as well.
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Marta who, you know, firmly.
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Uh, uh, yeah, there was, uh, uh, anyway, coming to me to say, Marta was the sister of the
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deceased military officer.
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Um, uh, her name come to me.
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I love her very much.
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I was just with her just a few months ago, but she, you know, uh, firmly refused to.
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Accept a bribe from American gentlemen that said, Hey, look, we can, we can give you this
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money and you can just go live a life.
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All we ask is that you just go without asking questions.
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And she's like, not if it means calling my, my daughters here liars.
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So she said that there were, I think it was three guys, two in suits that remained silent.
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The third one that spoke Portuguese with a heavy accent called them foreigners, uh, offered
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American dollars, a briefcase filled that they could leave the country, live out their
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All they had to do, all she had to do was get her daughter to say they were lying.
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It was some kind of deranged animal or dog or something like that.
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And she refused to accept.
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And Louisa is her name.
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And she's to this day, you know, struggles financially.
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And, and, and, uh, she was like, I, there's no amount of money that's ever gonna, you're
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That's gonna make me call my own daughters liars.
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Leave my house or I'm calling the police.
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In fact, she was one of the first people after decades of hearing these so-called men in
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And I would touch on it maybe lightly a little here and there.
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I went all in on her.
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I was like, I looked her in the eye.
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This woman's telling the truth.
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And there's so many others that had those encounters.
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In fact, a lot of people in town up and left.
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Oh, I mean, Pacacini disappeared for the better part of 20 years.
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Pacacini was one of the lead researchers.
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And if his accountant, he's willing to take a lie detector test with his right hand on
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He's seen the video of the creature.
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He's so Pacacini was one of the lead researchers.
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It was Claudio Covo, Pacacini, Ubarajara Rodriguez, Marco Batty, AJ Givard, but primarily Pacacini
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They were really deep in it.
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And Ubarajara Rodriguez was a very well-known lawyer in the state.
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I think it's Minas Gerais.
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The state of Minas Gerais in Virginia.
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But in any case, Pacacini, according to, you know, I just spoke to him.
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He's working with us now.
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He said that he was fired at.
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He was under a lot of pressure.
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Ubarajara kind of just went quiet.
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Marco Batty still talks about it.
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But, and of course, Marco Leal is working nonstop.
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But, but according to Pacacini, he was, he was shot at, he was threatened and he disappeared
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He was like, I just need to let everything cool off.
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He went and lived with his mother for like, I think 20 years.
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And now he's getting back involved with the case again.
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But even a lot of civilians were just like up and moved who've lived there their whole
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Like you mentioned in the first documentary, there was like their neighbors were like,
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yeah, you just up and left.
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And there was like, there was, um.
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People just went quiet.
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People just went quiet.
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And I'm sure people accepted some bribes and, um.
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We had something really weird happen to us while we were there as well, which I can go
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into detail if you want.
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Well, so one thing that I've learned in this field is that when you like don't, sometimes
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when you really want to, you obviously want to get a witness on camera, don't talk about
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going on camera at first.
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Just say, hey, you know what?
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Can I just, can I get you a coffee?
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Meet with them, look them in the eyes, get to know each other.
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There's nothing like FaceTime, right?
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And get to know each other a little bit.
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And then if that individual decides or is contemplating on going on camera, maybe under
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the right conditions or maybe hide their face, whatever, whatever.
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Don't wait one hour.
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Like if they're willing to do it, go.
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And I'll tell you with military X, it was like, he, he literally said to me early on, there's
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all the money in the world that I'm ever going to come forward.
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So, hey, I understand.
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Can we just get together?
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We got together, FaceTime, had an incredible time.
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We talked about family relationships.
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I talked about my father with his struggle with multiple sclerosis, just kind of getting
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He talked about his wife and becoming a dad and all these, you know, things kind of get
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to know each other a little bit.
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And, and, um, and then we kind of got into his involvement in the official capacity for
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the military, driving the creature, blah, blah, blah, seeing it in the hospital, all this
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Seeing the, seeing the feet.
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And, uh, and, and yeah, maybe, maybe more.
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But, um, uh, he, uh, he started to waver.
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Like maybe he would meet with us and maybe under the right circumstance, he would go on camera.
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And I was, let's just say it was a Sunday and I said to Marco and he was like, well,
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maybe Tuesday, maybe Wednesday.
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And I said, how about right now?
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You know, Marco and I, I didn't even shave, brush my, I don't even think I even brushed
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I said, we're getting in the car and we're going right now.
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Cause I know I've been here before.
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This is, this is gone.
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So we go, anyway, we ended up getting him on camera from the back, disguised as a voice,
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So, and, uh, I think it was like the next day or maybe the day after we were going to
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meet with a gentleman that was also involved in the, um, transportation or he was, he went
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out for military base.
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He went to one of the hospitals, allegedly had shot some video and we were going to make
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an introduction to that individual.
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I think it was the next day or the other day after.
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And Marco was going to pose as the cousin of military acts.
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I was not going to be invited, but Hey, whatever, we'll take what we can get.
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Uh, they got a phone call.
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Well, so military acts got a phone call and it was from the base and they said, Hey, how
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And, um, yeah, family doing good.
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Oh, good, good, good.
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You still lived at this address.
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Well, listen, you take care and glad the family's doing well.
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Happy to hear you're still living at the same address.
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And, uh, and then summoned the individual that we were going to meet into the base.
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So that individual that we were going to meet with the next day.
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My point is this, had I, had I waited till Tuesday or Wednesday, I would've never gotten,
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we would've never gotten that interview.
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No, you guys were chasing the same leads.
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We were chasing and, and had I had 24 more hours, we probably would've seen the footage.
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Dude, you have no idea.
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Like, it's like a bar of soap in the bathtub.
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You know, you just, you grab it.
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And I say to anybody out there who's feeling frustrated because they want to see the footage,
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there's nobody on the planet Earth that wants that more than I do.
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And there's nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing,
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nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
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So that individual that we were going to meet with the next day, my point is this,
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had I, had I waited till Tuesday or Wednesday, I would've never gotten, we would've never
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gotten that interview.
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No, you guys were chasing the same leads.
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We were chasing and it, and had I had 24 more hours, we probably would've seen the footage.
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Dude, you have no idea.
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Like, it's like a bar of soap in the bathtub.
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There's nothing, nothing that I'm not trying to get my hands on it.
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And I just feel like at this point, if anybody's out there in possession of, of this footage,
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post it anonymously, you know, put it out there for free.
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I don't care who it comes from, where it comes from.
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Like, well, of course I don't want to be fake, but, um.
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Speaking of which there is a video circulating, uh, that claims to be, uh, the real being it's,
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completely fake, uh, do not send James that footage.
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Uh, so I, what I would do is, uh, if I get the video for free, I'm going to give it away for free.
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I'm not going to charge anything for it.
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If I get the video to purchase the video to recoup, to pay whoever back, I'll, I would figure that out, but I would give it away for free.
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I'm not trying to make money on this video.
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I I'd like the world to see it.
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I think the world should see it.
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Um, uh, I would have all the firsthand eyewitnesses take a look at it first.
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Hey, is this what you saw?
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Does this look real?
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Do we know the providence of this?
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Like that would do the best one can.
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Do we know what you put there?
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Uh, well, there are, yeah.
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So there are multiple videos out there.
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And the reason why I know that is because I've talked to people that have seen it, the photographs.
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I actually talked to the chief of police, Marco Leal, and I went and doorstepped him not too long ago.
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And he admits on camera, he's like, oh yeah, there are multiple, multiple photos.
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Cause you know, the fire department is also part of the military.
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You know, the police department is also part of the military.
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They, my understanding is they took photos.
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Uh, the doctors in both hospitals, Humanitas and regional hospital took video.
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For instance, there was specific surgery that they would do brain surgery, and they would videotape these procedures.
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So the cameras had, sorry, the doctors had cameras readily available at the hospitals to record various procedures.
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They also had resources to have that.
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Um, then the military.
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People in, you know, so the military got video.
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I'm sure the Americans got video.
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Um, uh, the fire department, the police department, and the doctors all got photos and or videos.
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Because I've talked to people that have seen it, multiple different sources, civilians, doctors, military, that have seen the videos.
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So we know there's at least five different sources of video and photographic evidence of this.
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It's just a matter of us getting our sticky little fingers on it.
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Can you imagine this happening in today's day and age?
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You thought about that?
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Everybody's got camera.
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If this happened since the iPhone came out, this is disclosure.
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But the further we get into technology, you know, there's this one pocket because now we're getting into AI stuff.
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And so, you know, if, if another one does happen, obviously the biggest argument is going to be, it's all AI generated, right?
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But what can you do?
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But this is on film.
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Well, this would be on video.
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This would be on video.
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And digital or photograph would be filmed.
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And the other day it ends up capturing the first being.
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And there was even a witness to this and he kind of saw it from afar and they had something and they told him it's nothing to worry about.
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It's just an animal.
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They've captured a small animal.
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And he says that animal screamed like a child.
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It's interesting because even Marco Cirisi was involved in the capture.
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Nobody knew what this creature was.
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Like nobody was like calling it.
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I mean, alien in the sense that it was foreign, right?
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Like people were even throwing rocks at it.
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Like, you know, they were scared of it.
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Like, what is this thing?
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Some people thought it was a devil, you know, cause it had these red eyes and, but people didn't think like, I mean, as far as I could tell, no one was like, oh yeah, this was an extraterrestrial.
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Or ultra-terrestrial.
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It's an ultra-terrestrial.
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They didn't know what the hell that was.
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And I'd heard stories of people throwing rocks at it on the outskirts of town and going into this forest.
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They were scared of it and throwing rocks at it.
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And that's when the, the, uh, earlier that day is when the fire department captured it with a net.
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And that's according to some of the witnesses that went on camera, uh, back in 96 said that it cried like a little baby when it was in captivity.
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But there are up to, and I don't know for sure because we only focused on two because we only had really good, compelling eyewitnesses on that.
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But there are possibly up to five.
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Um, but for, you know, for, in this documentary, we address, I think three of them, right?
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One alive, one dead.
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Then the third one kind of missing at one point.
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That's what the, uh, the police officer, the police chief, he saw a creature under the, under a net or under a blanket or a canvas of sorts.
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Um, and then he talked about the, uh, military activity that was going on as he said, he saw more brass than he's ever seen in his, in his career, uh, there.
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And, um, he said rumor had it with that, uh, one alive captured, stayed alive, one dead, and then one, uh, got away.
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Something like that.
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And that was Pedro Luis Aguiar, the retired police chief.
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And we doorstepped him.
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We were trying to get to him for years.
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He did not want to talk prior to that.
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He would be like, you know, talk a little bit and then we'll do a meeting, you know, maybe I'll go on camera.
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And then he kept like disappearing and not returning our calls.
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And we'd show up at his house, not going to stores went on for years.
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And, um, we almost got to him on the first round.
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And then he was like, I'm too.
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Cause he was like, okay, you can come by my house, give us the address.
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And then he would just stop returning our calls.
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And this went on for several years.
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And then finally, just recently, a few months ago we went, well, it's funny, actually, we were going from Sao Paulo up to Virginia.
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It's about a six hour drive, depending on how many times you stop or whatever.
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And on the way there, we took a slight deviation.
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We're going to stop off at his house.
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And I think it was maybe like 530 or something.
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We were a little bit hungry and we had a mission.
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Our mission was to go to his house and then get to Virginia.
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But for some reason I was like, hey, let's stop.
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There was this little pizza joint and we stopped there.
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I was going to get a quick slice of pizza.
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And I ended up meeting, you know, the owner was like, oh, where are you guys from?
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You know, and start talking.
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He was speaking Portuguese, but yeah, translator.
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And, uh, and he's like, I'm going to order a big pizza.
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You guys are having a, having a glass of wine.
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You know, you're going to stick around, you know?
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And so reluctantly we, we had dinner there and it took about, you know, six, at least 60, possibly 90 minutes.
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So now we're arriving later than we anticipated.
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And there were half the crew were like, you know, oh gosh, we had a mission.
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We shouldn't have sighted.
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As it turned out, it was perfect.
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Cause when we arrived, he had just gotten home with his family, his wife and his kid.
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You would have missed him.
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We would have missed him.
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We would have missed him.
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So we got the only on camera interview, you know, with, with him talking about the incident.
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And we asked him like, why are you, it was a slow process too.
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Cause we just got our foot in the door in the house.
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We had a mic and we went in there and then why are you coming forward?
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He's like, you're investigating it.
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You're investigating something that and taking it seriously that, that I participated in.
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And he said it was real.
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No historia is a reality or, uh, it's not a story.
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It's not, it's not, it's not a story.
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I don't know if you feel comfortable mentioning what happened to him now that he's since.
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I don't know the details, but we just found out yesterday that he died.
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Do you think that that might've been part of the reason why he felt it was important
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Maybe he had some type of inkling, even subtle or, or overt.
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God, it's hard to say.
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One thing is there's a couple of very indelible moments in the filming of, of moment of contact,
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both before and now.
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And one of them was his wife.
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And I think his wife is his wife.
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Can you see his wife in there at all?
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Um, I, I don't remember.
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I can, I should remember, but I was there.
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And at one point, because we got his son and him answered the door.
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His son was like 12 or 13.
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And, uh, we got foot in the door, started talking to him.
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And then I think I had a mic on me and then they had the sound guy in the car outside.
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And, uh, and then I said, Hey, at some point, do you mind if we bring a camera in here?
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A little, just, you know, just ease our way in.
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Then the camera guy came in and then we just started to slowly get an interview with him
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It was all unfolding very organically and happening.
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And I was like, this former chief of police wasn't sure exactly what he was going to say.
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But at one point, more than one point, several points, I'd looked, I looked over at his wife.
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And his son was sitting kind of close to him, but his wife was sitting at the table and he
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was sitting on the couch.
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And I swear to you, I'm not making this up.
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Her eyeballs were like, like, like push, like her eyes were so open in her eyes.
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And she's looking at her husband and she's not blinking.
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And I'm looking at Dave going, Dave, are you getting the wife?
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Like, are you getting the wife?
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Yeah, yeah, I'm getting the wife.
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I was like, cause I, she was like, I'm getting the wife.
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I was looking at him nonstop.
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Like, what do you think?
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Why do you think she was?
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Was she like, like, what are you doing?
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Cause I was talking about the photograph that I heard he'd had.
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That was pressuring him very hard.
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Like I wouldn't stop.
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Do you think he had as it?
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Well, he did have it and he had actually admitted to at one point having it.
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And then I said, I kept hammering him and he would change the topic and I would go right back to that photograph.
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I was like, this person said they saw it and this person saw it.
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And this is what it's in it.
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There's one alive, one cat, you know, blah, blah, blah.
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There's a military and maybe a fired him in, in the background, you know?
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And, uh, and the wife was just looking at her husband like this.
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I swear on my fucking life.
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Trying to like say, you better not say.
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Like just, I don't know.
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I don't know what, but she was like this.
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For me, that's the look of someone who's also seen the photo.
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And I was looking at her like this and, and I, I was like, God, this, this is crazy.
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Is she telling him to shut his mouth?
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Is she shocked that we're there?
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Like what's going on with this?
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And, um, and then he said, when I kept hammering him on the phone, I have this all on video.
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He said, uh, there are some things within the police department or the military or police
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department or something that, uh, that will remain, uh, like secret will remain.
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We won't disclose something like this, something like this.
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I, you know, I mean, it's the Holy grail, right?
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It is the Holy grail.
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It's it's the Holy grail of humanity.
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It's the Holy grail.
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And so, um, but yeah, so that was, and then I found out he died.
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I don't know the circumstances.
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I don't know how he died, but he was pretty healthy.
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He had some, definitely had some, what looked like, um, what's that?
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Really bad arthritis.
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And his fingers, his hands were, excuse me, really kind of deformed and, you know, um, but
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he was energetic and he was alert and he was coherent.
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And I didn't think he was going to die like within months of that interview, but, but he's gone.
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But, you know, by the time your audience, uh, sees this, I would have been back with a team again to Brazil.
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We're meeting with a bunch more doctors.
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Go through the shoe box of photos that they have in their closet.
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Whatever, whatever we got to do.
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We're meeting with the mayor.
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We're having like screenings.
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Like this is in my humble opinion.
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And I could always be wrong and I've been wrong in the past, but I feel like this is the beginning of the beginning in the sense that it, we might reach critical mass.
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Uh, and, and more people because I'm, I'm trying to find out, uh, doctors at humanitas hospital.
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Cause that's what we're missing right now.
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And I'm in the inner circle with the, with the doctors, with the forensic pathologists, with the neurosurgeons.
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And we're meeting their wives.
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We're going into their homes.
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We're having dinner with them.
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We're having glasses of wine together.
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We're listening to music.
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It's going to come out.
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We're getting to know each other.
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We're spending time at their local restaurants, meeting the communities.
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You know what I mean?
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Like really getting that trust and that, that comradery and friendship, laughing together, singing together, playing music together.
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And this is all happening and starting to feel comfortable.
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And last time, one of the first times I'd met with the forensic pathologist, he was extremely guarded and he runs, I don't know, like, like there are even times when we were communicating back and forth and he's like, oh, your communication is too fast.
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I need a video that's you, that it's really you.
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So I took a video immediately in the States and I said it to him, like, this is me.
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This is not somebody else posing as me.
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So, um, that trust and that friendship is, uh, is, is, is happening.
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And again, power in numbers, right?
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We're going to go now to Marco Chirizzi and Eric Lopes.
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These two gentlemen were working for the military and they were, uh, essentially patrolling the area.
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And that evening of this, uh, barricade happening and that evening where the first creature was apprehended by what seems to be like the fire department or something.
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That was there in the morning.
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That was in the morning.
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And then later in the evening, they drive and come across this creature just kind of crossing the road.
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And, you know, as brave as he is, Marco Chirizzi gets out and apprehends this being with his bare hands.
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So we'll back up just a, just a moment.
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So we have testimony from like the local newsmen.
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We have testimony from residents in the area that came upon that blockade, that military blockade at gunpoint threatened with national security, like not messing around.
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You are not going beyond this point.
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And if you look at where the blockade is, which we did, it's right in the area where the girls came and encountered this, this creature, this crazy creature, which we go into detail with in broad daylight, 10 feet away up against that cinder block wall.
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And then just two blocks away, a couple of hours later, same blockade around that area is where the capture occurred.
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Now there were two military officers.
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One was on duty that night.
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His name was Eric Lopes.
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I think it was P2, but in any case, military police.
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And my understanding was, is that they were giving, he was given orders that go out and find something unusual, some sort of creature, a wild animal, something that didn't really, didn't say, hey, there's a live alien walking around and go grab it.
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You know, it wasn't like that.
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And that was the reason for the blockade, essentially.
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That was the reason for the blockade.
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And so, so Eric calls his really good buddy, Marco Schriez, who's also a police, military police, but he was off duty that night.
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But he was like, hey, I got this crazy, like assignment.
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Thought you want to join me.
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We can go out together.
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And so he jumps in the car and off the two of them went.
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And lo and behold, right at dusk, he's, this, this creature ran across the road right in front of him, just a couple blocks away from where the girls are, just a few hours later.
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And Marco Schriez, 23 year old, super fit, uh, military guy, without a moment's hesitation, without, you know, any concern for his own safety, just leaps out the back of the car, the, the, the, the, the passenger seat of the car and grabs the creature.
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My understanding was, is that he put it on his lap in the back seat.
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And in the process of grabbing it.
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So, and then they take it to a clinic and one of the doctors apparently came out to greet them in the car.
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I, and, and took one look at that creature and was like, get that thing outta here.
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I don't know what that is, but it ain't coming in my clinic.
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And then I take it to regional hospital and that's where, and funny enough, I was just, I was just at regional hospital.
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Just a few weeks ago.
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They have a plaque out front to find like, this is the hospital where a live alien was brought to.
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It's all right there.
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All official from the town.
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I can share the picture with you.
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So, and it describes the whole thing.
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So I go in to the reception where the people go in the front and I asked them all the people working there.
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Hey, you know, the, the, the 1990s.
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This is where the alien was brought.
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And they said, I swear to you, I'm not making this up.
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They said, oh yeah, we brought the alien was brought in around the back.
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They didn't bring it through the front.
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It was brought in the back.
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I was like, you gotta be kidding.
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They said, no, in fact, there was a, there's a, a, a, a new.
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There's a, a nurse practitioner or something still working here that was there that night.
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And we said, oh, can we talk to that individual?
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And the other doctor that we were dealing with, the neurosurgeon was working there that night, but he was, he, he was busy.
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But so we got their contact information, but we're only there for like 48 more hours.
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But now we have another contact of somebody who was there that night.
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But no one's denying it.
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And they have a big plaque right out in front.
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This is like in plain sight.
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Yeah, they're leaning into it.
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It's a, that's, it's so cool because.
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You know, I'm reminded of like the Aztec crash, 1948 in Aztec, New Mexico, which got covered up as a hoax almost immediately.
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If you Google it, it's the hoax at Aztec.
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And I, I know better.
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The military authorities were like, this is how we do it.
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The FBI covered it up.
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There was a smear campaign.
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If you, if you go read anything about it, I know there's a lot of skeptics out there that would be like, Chris, you're an idiot.
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It tells you what happened.
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Look, I spent enough time with people who've researched it for 35 years to know that.
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That actually happened.
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There's something that happened there, but they were so quick and covering it up.
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And that town, if you go to Aztec now.
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You can't like, we went to all sorts of spots in that town just to ask locals.
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And they're like, oh no, that hoax.
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Totally different mentality.
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Uh, once the FBI got involved, but anyways, I digress.
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Uh, at this hospital, um, Marco Turezzi, uh, gets to this hospital, uh, where they, you know, bring the being and.
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Marco then goes home and he's starting to develop this sickness.
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He's got gr he's got this smelly, greasy, oily stuff on his skin.
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And apparently he took rubbing alcohol and he was trying to wipe this stuff off.
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And, uh, within a couple of weeks he started to get sick.
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And then he was admitted into, uh, one of the hospitals, uh, uh, regional or humanitas.
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I think it was maybe both.
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We talked to two different doctors that worked on him.
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One just recently, but Dr. Cesario and Dr. Cesario worked on him for a while.
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And until he went into the ICU and then died.
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But, uh, and it's funny actually, cause Cesario, Dr. Cesario was like, uh, yeah, yeah.
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He told us this happened that we kind of captured this thing because this, that, and the other thing.
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And he wanted us to know to sit, cause he was concerned for his life.
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And then he goes, I mean, according to his sister, he was basically like, yeah.
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Dr. Cesario Furtado is a cardiologist for 45 years.
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Uh, he's basically on camera saying that, uh, Marco came to him almost, uh, pleading him to help him.
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Like, and the only way that Marco could help himself was to say the truth because his life depended on it.
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He wasn't gonna hold a national security secret and take it to the grave.
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So he, in confidence, tells this doctor what happened.
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So Cesario admits that on camera, but then he goes, according to his sister, like, uh, we looked at him like, yeah, sure.
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He said that he threw the kitchen sink at him.
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That, that bacterial infection didn't respond to anything.
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Well, we'll get, I wanna, I wanna get there as well.
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So, um, here we have the autopsy report because unfortunately Marco Cerezi ended up passing away and.
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No, um, immune, uh, no, no autoimmune disease, um, no deficiency immune wise.
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And, uh, his sister, you know, was obviously demanding, um.
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And they were demanding and she's only, she's only done one interview, the wife, right?
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With, uh, yeah, we're, we're trying to track her down again, but she did an interview with Dr. Roger Lear in 2002.
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Hell of a time fighting to get the autopsy report.
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The reason for death.
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Could not get the, the, and even, even the reason for death, death was, uh, general.
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And they had apparently, according to them, there were pages missing and there was like all
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this blockage and then they wanted to charge the money.
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And it was like, you know, the sister was going after it.
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The wife was going after it.
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They ultimately did get.
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Uh, uh, an autopsy report with, but it was missing stuff.
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But now we have the autopsy report.
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Where did you get this?
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And I was like, I'm going to get the comments directly from the guy who owned the company, IPD.
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Janini founded IPD and you should look up the acronym for that.
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Jau, Baptista, Makuko, Janini.
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The pathologist who's done folks get this over 50,000 autopsies.
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They've done over 50,000.
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And in quotes, I've never seen a case like this.
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Let that sink in for a second.
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This is one of a kind.
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This has never happened.
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And it just so happens to be from an alleged encounter.
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Um, we ask him on camera.
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And like what, like, give me an assessment.
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Like what get, give me your bottom line here.
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And if you know, and he says, from all I can gather, that bacteria came from under the nail of the ET, scratched him under the armpit right here.
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So here is, we're going to go through the autopsy comments a little bit here.
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So we had the, uh, the, uh, we had the necropsy report, the considerations, the conclusions and everything.
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And we had it translated.
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And it says based on, um, the medical findings and background information.
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Uh, this is a consolidated, and this is from that doctor, a consolidated English translation that maintains factual accuracy while making the content accessible.
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So the medical findings summary.
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Uh, multi, uh, multifocal pneumonia.
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Uh, multiple pneumonia.
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Uh, multiple lungs showed inflammation with fluid fill, uh, filling the air sacs, making breathing difficult.
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Septic pulmonary thromboembolism.
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Septic pulmonary thromboembolism, which are blood clots containing bacteria were found in lung blood vessels, indicating the infection had entered the bloodstream.
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Uh, early stage, uh, heart inflammation or myocarditis, uh, initial signs of heart muscle swelling were present, suggesting the infection was beginning to affect, affect cardiac function.
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Acute liver congestion.
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The liver showed blood vessel enlargement and fluid buildup.
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Typical and severe systemic infections like an autoimmune, some type of like massive systemic, highly virulent, uh, attack.
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Uh, armpit abscess infection, testing of fluid in the armpit abscess revealed abundant growth of stiff, uh, staphylococcus, uh, scleferi bacteria.
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So like, um, uh, staph infection essentially.
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And, uh, here are the key points about this infection.
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What make it so strange?
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Um, so the staphylococcus scleferi typically causes skin and ear infections in dogs and cats.
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Human infections are extremely rare and normally only occur after surgery or in people with medical devices, which Marco had either of these.
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So doesn't happen essentially.
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And let me just say that we just got this full report with his endorsement, with his stamp and his signature on camera just a few weeks ago.
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Month ago, whatever.
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Like this is breaking putting his full endorsement down on this right now on camera, not anonymously his entire career in the twilight years of his life, because he feels like this is, this is.
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This is very, very important.
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Cause you're doing a great job by the way.
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But in this case here, the things that, uh, really stand out one, no prior surgery occurred.
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There was none of that.
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There is no way that this infection should have happened to no immune deficiency was detected.
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So normally with something spreading so fast across the immune system, you would expect some type of immunocompromised disease to be happening.
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Like you said, incredibly healthy military guy.
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The bacteria showed unusual antibiotic resistance.
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And this is the one thing that ended up, uh, baffling both, um, you know, both doc, both, uh, uh, Janini and, uh, Armando.
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Fortunato, uh, the forensic, uh, pathologist and former municipal, municipal health minister as well.
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So both of these gentlemen were completely baffled by the fact that they couldn't give him antibodies.
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None of the antibiotics that they gave him worked at all.
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They had zero effect on whatever was attacking his body.
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Can you imagine being a professional pathologist who has all the latest technology, all the answers and how not only frustrating, but how disheartening it must be to throw your best medical capabilities at this thing.
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And, and with, to no avail, like that, that sticks with you.
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You lose a patient, not because not for lack of trying, you gave it everything.
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It just doesn't make sense.
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It spread rapidly through his bloodstream and it produced toxins that affected multiple organs.
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Now in the, um, sort of synopsis or, or conclusions and comments that, uh, these doctors give or this doctor here, particularly, uh, Dr.
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Janini, the infection likely entered through a minor skin break, as you said, small abrasion, uh, due to possibly he says the nail of the being.
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And displayed unusually aggressive behavior with high virulence and antibiotic resistance.
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Here's a notable consideration.
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Given the extreme rarity in humans and the unusual aggressive nature of this infection, some have suggested the possibility of a deliberate biological manipulation of this, uh, bacteria, similar to how Komodo dragons use bacteria-laden saliva to weaken prey.
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It's the only thing that this doctor can sort of pin.
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Is the Komodo dragon, when it bites you, it weakens you due to the bacteria that it has in there.
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Um, but also as researchers, we might also be familiar that this secretion that the being had might've been like excretory.
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Might've been excrement.
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Um, and, and that's kind of how they get rid of their waste is through these pores.
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And it happens when they're sweating and when they're running.
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And I need to make this abundantly clear.
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This creature, this entity, this being was not aggressive.
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It was not combative.
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It wasn't trying to kill people.
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I think that inadvertently and by accident, when Marco Scherzi, military police officer grabbed this thing, he got a scratch from the nail under his arm.
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And that was, so I don't want people to feel like, oh, these ETs are out to get us.
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They're going to kill us.
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They're going to kill us.
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That's not the case at all.
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That's one of the reasons why we're so cautious.
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Anytime we do because exp exposure to a type of bacteria and the way he described it to me, cause I'm a complete neophyte.
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I mean, I, what do I know?
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I'm just a filmmaker, but he said to me, he goes, it was an advanced bacteria.
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Unlike anything he's seen on earth.
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In other words, it did things that no bacteria on earth would do.
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Even though it was, it was a strain of a bacteria that they've seen, but not the way this was evolved in the way it was.
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It was nothing could stop it.
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And, and if that is the case, it's also just a case of self-defense that the body produces naturally.
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It's not some, you know.
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I mean, this E.T. wasn't trying to kill people.
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I really want people to hear that because.
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And if this was the being's excrement, what do you think happens if a being from another planet, uh, takes some of our excrement and injects it into its bloodstream, you might have a similar response.
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Um, the one thing that I found really interesting.
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Here is the wording at the, at the near the end here of the comments.
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He says, thus we consider, this is a translation again, but pretty accurate.
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Thus, we consider that soldier Marco must have suffered some type of superficial skin lesion.
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That antibiotic development of infection of staphylococcus scleferi, which showed high virulence antibiotic resistance and prolonged course leading to severe septicemia.
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So in the hypothesis, in the hypothesis considered by many, this is the official autopsy involving an encounter with a strange being.
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We may suppose that such a being could use this bacteriological weapon.
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So this is him just trying to piece it together.
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Now we're not saying that this is an evil being, but what I find interesting is that we have a doctor here who's got a reputation and even immediately after, without giving it any afterthought.
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Wrote down that he might've had an encounter with a strange being.
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And that's the only explanation he has.
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Like that is incredible.
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He said it on camera too.
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He's like, look, he's not saying with 100% certainty.
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He's saying the highest probability from all the information he can gather is that he got scratched from the nail and the bacteria came from under the nail of the ET under his arm and that killed him.
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Um, so this is the first time that we have access to this autopsy report.
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And I think that is.
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You did a great job reading it by the way.
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I mean, I was, I'm grateful that you sent it to me and I was mind blown looking through it.
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Although, you know, I had to Google most of what I was reading, but I learned a lot.
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And it's, uh, I think it's one of those things that when you put out this movie the first time, like when you put out the first iteration of this movie, um, it stuck with a lot of people.
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That's one of the few things that that movie just stuck with you was someone dying due to infection because they came in contact with a being.
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And I'm glad to know that it was because of some scratch that it wasn't just.
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Some ray beam or something.
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Or, or, or even just touching the being.
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That it was, it was, you know, bacteria related and possibly just because of, you know, different immune systems and from.
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Cause everybody, according to the firsthand eyewitness testimony that I've talked to that came in contact with this creature, that it was not hostile.
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It was not aggressive.
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Uh, and all the communication occurred through the eyes.
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No antibodies could phase this thing, by the way.
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Again, I want to bring that home.
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Well, Dr. Cesario said he threw the kitchen sink.
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And it, it destroyed everything.
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He'd never seen anything.
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They, he'd never seen anything like it.
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I think he died through two to three weeks after he handled the creature.
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Something like that.
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Within a week after, uh, yeah.
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Coming to the hospital.
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He was, he was gone.
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We're going to move forward to a next, the next part of the documentary.
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And this is where we talk about the flying disc.
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Uh, and the family that you met with, uh, who quote unquote says when they saw this disc
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spinning, glowing in the air, they said it was looking for something.
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And I was highly dubious at the time.
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And they didn't want to go on camera.
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It's funny because, so we were renting a house on the outskirts and it was great.
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Cause it had like, you know, we have a lot of equipment with us and, you know, camera crew.
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And just for an extra layer of security, it was a really nice house owned by these doctors.
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And it had security gate going in and out.
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And just for a little, you know, a little comfort coming, we're poking around where we shouldn't be poking around.
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We're a little paranoid.
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And so we're staying there.
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Oh, what are you guys, what are you guys filming?
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And of course we told the doctors, like, we're filming this.
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Oh, well, our fellow friends, you know, are also doctors and they, they actually saw their witnesses.
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So we're like, well, Hey, we'd love to talk with him.
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We have, you know, assuming they were going to go on camera.
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That was the whole point.
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We'll, we'll make it happen.
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Then when they would kept like scheduling it and then it was like, Oh, maybe tomorrow and maybe tomorrow.
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And then finally I said, Hey, let them know we're coming.
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Let's get the address.
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Let's go, let's go meet with them.
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We showed up cameras rolling and they're like, Whoa, who would not go?
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We never, we never wanted to go on camera.
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We were just happy to share what we, we know.
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And it was really funny actually in the, in the film because so I, I got out of the car cameras rolling and they're saying, and I wasn't really tuning in because I'm in film mode.
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I'm in production mode.
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And they were like, Oh, you know, we're, you know, we're not, we're not going on camera.
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And, and I said, okay, look, tell them this.
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And this is an ongoing joke in production.
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Cause I was like, okay, we can either film them from the front side.
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We can blur their faces or we can film with the backside.
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Never was there an option not to film them at all.
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And everyone was laughing.
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He's like, he's like, no, no, no, we're not going on camera.
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We're going to put you on camera like this or we'll put you on camera.
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It's something a magician would do.
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You watch it in the film.
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It's like, yeah, no, no, no.
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You know what I was talking about?
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I was like, yeah, we'll film you like this or we'll film you like that.
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We don't, we don't have the pre context of them saying we don't want to be filmed.
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There's no option for no filming.
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So anyway, so then they start talking now, but she's not kind of trying to process this
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like potential crash recovery, like a, like a, I call it ET, whatever.
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Cause this is also completely left field to, to what everybody else witnessed.
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So you're thinking like, I was thinking that was part of, I don't know.
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I couldn't process at the time.
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I was just like, I mean, Hey, don't get me wrong.
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But then I started piecing it together.
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And then, you know, the drone footage and proximity to the capture, proximity to where
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the girls seen it was right there, man.
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Their home was blocked away.
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Still living in the same home.
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All three witnesses, the mother, the wife, the daughter, and they all watched it for
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20 minutes, 30 minutes.
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It wasn't a quick sighting and they were like slow and methodical the way they described
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this thing moving around.
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I'm going, how do you know it was looking for something?
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I kept asking them, how do you know it was looking for something?
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They were like, it was flying real low, coming back, a low, coming back, stopping back this,
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How long did they witness it for?
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I think it was like 30 minutes.
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He says on camera, it was 20 or 30 minutes.
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And he got angry when I said, is there a prosaic explanation to what you saw?
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But a helicopter could have this and you could see how he was like, look, man, I'm not even,
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I don't even want to go on camera for this.
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Like I'm doing this like at great risk.
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I'm telling you right now, we watched it.
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And I slowly came to the realization, like shit, this might be a crash retrieval recovery
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Like what, what else could it be?
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And then we're talking to other people in town and go down in the town square.
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We're getting other witnesses saying the same damn thing.
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They don't even know each other.
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They've never gone forward.
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No one's ever gotten that aspect of this case on camera.
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And then when we recut the movie and we had featured, like I've done with this latest cut, you know, crash retrieval cases, you know, Magenta, Roswell.
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Very briefly, we're not getting bogged at Kecksburg, Kingman, you know, the landing at Bentwaters.
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And just to give an example, like this is not, you know, completely unprecedented.
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And the same thing, like in the old version of moment of contact, which is all done.
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Now that the new, the opening we talked about, you know, Ubatuba, we talked about, you know, UFO, oh, Calares, UFOs over Brazil, 1986.
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And then of course we, we lead our way into, and then we, we show some photographic evidence over the years.
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So I'm like deleting that whole first part of the movie to make space for this entirely new cut of moment of contact, new revelations of alien encounters.
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Um, just to make the distinction.
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And, uh, and I'm looking at that footage.
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Uh, one of the, some of the best disc footage at night I've ever seen.
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I was like, yeah, how did I not pick up on this before?
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So I look up the location just to the south, like by the crow flies.
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Could be, I mean, no, no, no, no time at all.
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Just to the south of Virginia, Brazil, same year, just a couple months later, same year.
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We happened to have a disc in the night sky, exactly like all these witnesses were describing flying around in a neighborhood.
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Where'd you find that footage?
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So Marco, Marco, no, no Marco layout when we were researching.
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Cause I said to Marco, I was like, let's give, let's sprinkle in some of the best like orb footage.
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Oh, so he had this footage.
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Other fellow researchers found it, but no one had ever been like, Hey, this is by the way, it's great footage.
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Like it's great footage.
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And it's like, wait a minute.
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I Googled the location.
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I'm like, wow, that's just to the south of Virginia.
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And it's the same year, just a few months later.
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Could there be a connection?
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Why wouldn't there be?
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I don't know, but it's pretty impressive.
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And it looks like, you know, all the descriptions, like I said, of over residential area at night.
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Glowing orange roiling.
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It's clearly a flying saucer.
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Really good footage.
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Looks like, looks like Bob Lazar's craft.
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You know, one thing that we should definitely consider doing is that I should give you the best copy I have of that.
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And see if we can do some digital enhancement.
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I don't know, whatever they can do, whatever technology software.
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I wouldn't put it through AI, but I would, I would definitely clean it up.
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There's, there's methods to clean that because AI can take some liberties that, that might be misleading.
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Well, what I don't know the process, but like whatever we, one can do to enhance it, because I would love to do a deep dive.
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I mean, it's pretty damn good as it is.
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I actually love the film grain and I like the digital, you know.
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Those type of sightings.
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I'm very high conviction when I see something like that.
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There are, you know, other sightings that are more clear, other ones that are more like orbs and this and that.
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And it's like to both of those, I get a little bit more skeptical.
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But as soon as I see this sort of glowing shape and the shape of what it is.
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You hear the little boys, the little boy go, it's a disc mom.
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I know it's so, it is for me, that's I'm pretty convinced.
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So, but then they get visited by NASA essentially.
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It's funny actually, cause the wife's like NASA, NASA, NASA.
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And husband goes, maybe NASA.
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Ubi Jara Rodriguez was there and he probably hated the fact that we, that they exposed him on that, but he was there with American.
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That's what I'm saying.
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So that's where I went, hold on a second.
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Are we saying that this UFO, this UFO researcher was.
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The guy that did a 180 years later too.
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Now he won't even talk about it.
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He was the original researcher.
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He was the lawyer that came out right at the beginning.
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He was the one annihilating everybody else's arguments.
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He was super smart, super educated, super aware of the case.
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And he's meeting with Americans, interviewing witnesses.
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And those Americans are telling him what?
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That's the whole family.
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Tell him, what did they tell the family?
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This, we were never here.
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This never happened.
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This never happened.
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And this UFO researcher is right there in the trenches.
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According to all three family members.
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As I was taking notes, I was like, hold on, this is this guy?
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Cause he kept saying Ubi Jara, Ubi Jara.
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And I was like, that's the name of that guy.
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I'm glad you picked up on that.
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Most people that goes right over their head.
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That's part of the coverup.
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Part of the coverup meeting with Americans.
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Evidently from NASA.
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But they were like, this never happened.
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For all of you thinking out there that you can't be compromised as a UFO researcher.
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You're going from this guy who's a lawyer, very smart man, and obviously very, very passionate
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about the Varginia case being real to now working apparently allegedly with the Americans
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and then just ghosting everybody.
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Like, I mean, come on.
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And then turning on it.
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The girls were very, very upset with him.
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Some of the things he said.
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Cause the girls have had everything to lose and nothing.
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Everybody has really.
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And they could have accepted a bag of money.
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Could have accepted a bag of money.
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And it's like, this is not exactly, especially then.
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It wasn't a career enhancing move.
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Like they were laughed at.
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I mean, they talk about it in the movie.
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Like we've been laughed at our whole lives.
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You know, obviously some people take it seriously.
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Some people, a lot of people believe them, but you're getting ridiculed.
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Oh, you want the job?
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Like, oh, you're, aren't you the one that sees ET?
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Like, you know, like, do you think that's helping them out?
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like, oh yeah, you're the guy, you know, it was just like the police officer,
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Lonnie Zamora in 1964.
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He quit his job as police officer because people were like, oh, you're the guy that sees ET, right?
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Herbert Schirmer, same thing.
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He quit his job, worked at a dump for the rest of his life, for the rest of his career.
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Um, and then he says that, yeah, multi, this guy also says that multiple people he knows
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just kind of picked up and left.
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A lot of people just left town.
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They just skipped town.
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People he knew were just like gone.
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Certainly disengaged and stopped talking about it.
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Pacacini packed up and left for, I think 20 years.
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But even, even just witnesses, you know, probably.
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I mean, look, uh, uh, Carlos DeSouza gone, unreachable 26 years gone.
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Pacacini, the lead investigator.
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Uber de Jada Rodriguez, 180.
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Won't talk to anybody.
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That's so wild that, that family named him.
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That is such a, when I was like, that's.
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You're one of the only people that I, that is pointing that out.
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I'm glad you kept it in.
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We move on to another anonymous, uh, witness who wanted to remain anonymous was the radiologist.
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And this is for me, one of the craziest ones because he's like, they bring in this small body bag, which is so chilling.
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Could I tell you how that came about?
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So, uh, Marco Leal, who's an exceptional researcher, boots on the ground is my partner, co-producer.
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There's also another co-producer, um, Aline, uh, Kras, uh, more recently she's joined the team, but Marco had met some students of his at some school in Virginia.
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And somehow the topic of, of Virginia UFO, you know, case came up and they were like, oh yeah, our teacher who's a radiologist at so-and-so told us this crazy story, you know?
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And so Marco was like, whoa, where is he now?
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So he found him, but he was still working at the time.
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So years and years, uh, years and years of effort to get him to like come forward.
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No, no, no, no, no years for years.
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And then finally in 2021, I think it was, he managed to get him to come meet with us and he agreed reluctantly to go on camera.
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But as long as we disguised his, disguised his voice and filmed it from the back.
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You gave him his two options?
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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I know he gave his two options.
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We'll film you like this.
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But, uh, and, um, and it's incredible.
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Like, I mean, he talks about the fact that the military came in, they had this something inside a Ziploc, you know, bag, body bag, body bag, a child's body bag.
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And it was all done in secrecy and there was no talking.
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Cause I always ask witnesses, like, can you put me in the room?
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Like, what was the atmosphere like?
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And people were looking at each other, but there was no conversation.
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And like, we need you to perform this.
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The only time in the history of his career where he took the x-rays and they wouldn't even let him process to see if they came out right.
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This never happened.
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Thank you very much.
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You're in order to silence.
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Thank you very much.
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You've done your job.
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And, uh, what also I think was interesting is that he, he told you that there was a guy with a camera there too.
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Oh, that was in the other room.
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That was the driver.
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That was in Humanitas.
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I'm, I'm mistaken the two.
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Uh, doctors, both in Humanitas and in regional.
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In the regional hospital.
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And we have names of those people too now.
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For the first time we have.
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Cause you don't, you don't miss a camera back then because they're not, they don't fit in your pocket.
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Stupid looking things.
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Like cell phones, you know, big brief.
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It's like these giant things you gotta wear on a strap.
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It's a whole briefcase.
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That it's the military man, uh, military man X who ends up seeing the alien in a box when he goes to the hospital.
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And, and that was just such a, an amazing interview at the end of, you know, the, the first, uh, part of this.
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Um, after this, this is when we hear about in the documentary, the USAF, United States Air Force.
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I kept thinking UCEF.
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What's this guy talking about?
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That is a big, big deal.
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So all the airplanes coming into a particular area, according to, if they come from out of outside Brazil, uh, have to have a Brazilian government authorization to land.
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And this plane was coming and didn't have that authorization.
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And according to, I guess you call them like flight, is it flight control officers radar?
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What do you call it?
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What's the name of the people that did monitor all incoming flights?
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In particular country.
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Radar, radar operators or tower.
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Apparently, according to him, the plane was coming in and didn't have-
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Radio control towers.
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Radio control towers.
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The plane was coming in, didn't have authorization.
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And some high level military official, Brazilian military official stepped in and said, let the plane land.
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Apparently it was going to go into Sao Paulo, but it didn't.
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It went straight to Campinas.
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And we have testimony from military acts that he drove the trucks from Humanitas Hospital to, as a military base, and then from Eza to Campinas.
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And so, logically, something was loaded up on there.
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That would have been where the Americans stepped in.
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And now we have new test-
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And I don't know how long the creature that was in captivity that was alive, we don't know how long it stayed alive.
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Was it alive when the Americans took it?
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My understanding is it was.
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How long did it stay alive?
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More pieces of the puzzle are filling in, because now we have testimony from, you know, the military actually drove the creature.
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Well, we've had that, but now we have testimony from the, um, chief of police.
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Putting his face and his name on- on camera.
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He was like, yeah, I saw a creature under a tarp, something under a tarp, more brass than I've ever seen in the history of my career at, as a military base.
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Helicopters landing, going, whole commotion.
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And he's like, yeah, the Americans came to Campinas.
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And that's when they took the, they took the, the stuff.
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Which as we find out a bit later, pissed off a lot of the local military.
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Um, you then, which I thought was just the coolest thing ever.
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You produced a freedom of information act request.
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To find a flight log.
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Of the CIA or, or not of the CIA of the United States Air Force.
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Working with two different people.
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Basically there was a, there was a gentleman, Hey, how can I help?
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I was like, Hey, we want to file a FOIA request.
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Let me know what information you want.
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I had this other gentleman anonymously reaching out to me and he was so knowledgeable.
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He was like, you know, you got to check here.
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You got to check that.
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There's going to be flight logs and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.
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And we were going back and forth for a while.
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And I had a lot of incoming information and just processing after the Joe Rogan appearance
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for this case was a full-time job.
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Just trying to, you know, receive all the messages, process all the messages, try to
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get back to everybody.
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But there was one person in particular who was really knowledgeable.
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I mean, I was like, who are you?
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And he's like, actually, I'm an, I'm a Colonel United States Air Force.
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I was a former fighter pilot and I had a very dramatic UFO encounter in 1980.
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I've been following your work.
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I'm following this case.
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I want to help you find that flight.
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So I was like, oh, cool.
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You know, so now I'm working with a Colonel United States Air Force retired, but still
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Frederick Frederick Clausen.
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He's okay for me to talk about this.
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So anyway, so he's get, he's giving me guidance.
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There's another gentleman, um, which I consider one of our team guys.
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And he's like, Hey, let's do this.
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What do you want me to say?
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And I was like, okay, all flights coming into the United States.
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I don't know what the span of time was.
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Maybe it was 10 days.
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Maybe it was two weeks.
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I can't remember, but I wanted to make sure it was before the crash and like, you know,
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up to 10 days or eight days or a week after January 20th.
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So we just covered that whole window, but I didn't want to do much.
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All planes coming in.
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And so we file that FOIA in 2021, 2022, probably 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025.
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We get a response from the CIA.
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And what, what pray tell does the CIA tell you to no surprise?
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Well, like basically resorting back to some thing that was signed in 1949, 19 national security,
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you know, I think they said that national security act.
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We can neither confirm nor deny.
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The information according to the 1949 act, you know, and you could show the document.
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It's cl it's national security or classified.
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We're not going to tell you.
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Basically stonewalled.
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Flight wreck for an entire block.
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Why would we get about to reach out to the CIA?
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That's kind of telling.
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Of course it's telling.
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I mean, I'm just not, I'm not seasoned, but everyone that I've shown that to, including
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like Chris Mellon are highly dubious.
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Like, well, that's really odd.
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Of course, they, they, they, they landed without authorization in Brazil.
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They're not going to admit to that.
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Even if there was nothing to pick up, they're not going to admit to a random, you know,
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plane landing unauthorized.
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Like that's just like, that's just proof that they weren't supposed to be there.
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For whatever reason, they're not answering that.
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Can I have a flight log?
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It just so happens that.
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For a couple of weeks?
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There was also talk of an alien running around and a ship crashing.
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Must be, must, must be coincidental that they also don't answer questions about their
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flight log during that week.
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You know what you should do?
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You should FOIA request, um, a month after and a month before.
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Just to get them to be like, oh yeah, no, we were not there.
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You know what I should do?
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I should get some of the members of Congress that I'm working with to do that.
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FOIA request a bunch of random dates that year.
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If it came from a sitting member of Congress.
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That would be a more effective way of doing it.
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But even, even like, yeah.
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Not coming from a civilian.
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From a sitting member of Congress.
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But I mean, if, if these are USAPs, they're not gonna, you know, or even special access
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programs, they're not gonna allow, you know, anybody access.
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I did find out that one of the bodies most likely went was on the East Coast and that's
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as much information as I can get.
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The bodies went to the East Coast.
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East Coast, United States.
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Do you think, um, there was a, I was, where was I looking at?
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I found out somebody from the DIA told me that.
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That's what the individual said.
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That actually, that's pretty high conviction.
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That it would go to the East Coast.
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And, and then the individual was like, that's, that's, that's as far as I'm going.
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DNI, Department of Naval Intelligence, which doesn't exist.
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Uh, somewhere on an island, a floating island is my guess.
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I would like to know.
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And I'd also like to know how long that entity stayed alive.
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And what kind of communication there was because there was communication and it was all done
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I, I wanna know so bad, Chris, you have no idea.
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It brings us to Dr. Italo Venturelli.
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In my, in my eyes, this, this man deserves a medal.
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This guy's not retired and he's not doing it anonymously.
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He's an absolute saint.
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He's the head surgeon at the hospital regionale in.
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And he's still there.
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He was the head of three hospitals folks.
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So let me tell you how we got.
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Let me tell you how we got to him.
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This is a sort of truncated version.
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My partner, Marco Leal.
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He, um, he has, I, I can't give away too much, but I need to give away just enough.
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Some of our sources.
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So there's a couple of different hospitals.
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I don't, I'm not going to name which one, but we have someone on the inside who's been
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meeting with us off the record, discreet, very discreetly and saying, this is, you need
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to go talk to this individual.
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Because they were showing some stuff.
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And so we would tell Marco has been like, okay, this is the individual.
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This is the doctor we need to talk to.
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We know that this doctor was shown video.
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We know this other doctor was shown video.
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video. So Marco's reaching out to these various doctors and about a year ago, we had heard through
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another doctor through our contact on the inside, working in this hospital. Um, the Dr. Italo was
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shown the video. Okay. So Marco arranges a time where it was like, you know, a zoom call a little
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over a year ago with Dr. Italo who's a neurosurgeon at regional, like, Hey, did you really see this
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video? And he admits, I don't even know if this was recorded. It probably was recorded. I would
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know, knowing Marco was recorded, but I was on the other end of it and he was a translator and he
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confesses that he, yeah, there is a video and he did see it. So that was about a year ago. So this
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is kind of all ongoing. So then, uh, fast forward about a year later, you know, that individual is
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still on our target is still like on our, in our sites. Right. But I really wanted to get the two
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forensic pathologists, particularly Dr. Giannini, because he was getting on in years to talk about
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the bacteria that we could possibly incorporate in a new cut of moment of contact. And, um, so we're
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doing these interviews with them at IPD. You can look up the acronym for that, but it's basically the
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two forensic pathologists. It's the company that did the analysis, the tissue sample analysis of the
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deceased military officer, as well as, uh, the doctor that did the autopsy on the deceased military
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officer, Marco Cirisi. So we're doing this interview and it's all amazing. And they're saying
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some incredible stuff and we're super excited. And we're like, Hey, there's this other doctor.
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We're really trying to breach him. And that was Dr. Italo and, uh, Dr. Armando, who did the autopsy
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on the deceased military officer. He goes, Hey, yeah, hold on a second. Pulls his phone out.
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Hey, Dr. Italo. And they're speaking in Portuguese and then he goes, okay. Okay. Hangs up tomorrow
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morning. Wow. Go around to the back gate at regional hospital. He's going to meet you there
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at 10 o'clock, say 10 o'clock. All right. Okay. So the next morning we all get in the car,
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cameras rolling, sound guy, let's roll. We go to the back gate, the back, back entry point,
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not the front, the back. And it was like, that's kind of odd. We didn't know exactly what was
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happening. And, and that's when he walks out in his full scrubs. Yeah. He's, he's working in the,
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he's, he's working and he sneaks us in the back and he's sneaking us down these long cord
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corridors. And, and I'm talking to the camera. What are you thinking? Like, where are we going?
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What is he showing us? I'm totally thinking that. Because you think this guy's only seen video.
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Exactly. So he's, when it was down there, we don't really know what's happening now.
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Unbeknownst to our whole team, since the year before meeting where we confronted him on,
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did he see the video? He had a heart attack. He went into the ICU. He was staring at the ceiling.
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His partner that was also a neurosurgeon at regional hospital, Marcos Venesis,
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he had a heart attack in 2018 and died. And so he was apparently staring at the ceiling in the ICU
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thinking, shit, I'm going to take this to the grave, just like my partner. Like then on top of
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that, so he was like, if I recover, I'm, I think I'm going to go public. Then on top of that, he got
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cancer. I think he got prostate cancer. He's been recovering from that as well. So I think he was
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just like still working at the hospital. Had a wake up call. Had a wake up call. And he was like,
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you know, for the sake of my grandchildren, you know, future generations, I'm not going to take
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this to the grave. So he sneaks us in and I have no idea what's going on. Everything's happening
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rather quickly. Right. So I'm told that I got to put on these scrubs. I got to put on a mask. I got
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to put on a hat because you can't enter ICU without that. You have to have all that gear on.
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So I'm putting everything on. Sterile environment. What's going on? Like what's happening? What's,
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what's, you know, I'm just, okay. I'm just doing what I'm told. Sound guy, camera guy,
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Marco's there. Alini's there. Translator, you know, and, and takes us into the ICU. Then he
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starts talking about, you know, this is where I, you know, this is where I saw the video is in this
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bed. And then he was just like, yeah, the ET was right here in this bed, right here in this room.
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I'm like, wait a minute, the video, the ET, what, what? And then it all comes out. Like, yeah, I was
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here that night. Marcos Vinicius is the one that performed the procedure. I was in this room with
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the ET. I'm just, I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Like, this is all unraveling, all on camera.
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It's happening where he was just saying, I don't care what the consequences are. I don't care anymore.
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I'm old enough. I'm seasoned enough. I'm important enough. Bucket, you know what I mean? I'm coming
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forward and he's doing it. And then we're filming. I'm just shocked. The whole thing is just like,
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I can't believe this is happening. Like, I don't, this development is one of the biggest, if true,
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it's the biggest, most significant development in the history of the phenomenon, because I challenge
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anyone out there to show me testimony from anyone, particularly a neurosurgeon.
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An active neurosurgeon, not retired.
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Not retired. Who's putting his entire career on the line to say, I had face-to-face contact,
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telepathic communication for three to four minutes with an alien in captivity.
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Chris, correct me if I'm wrong. I can't think of another case. This is a first.
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Yeah. And I happen to have your first hat on when it happens. But anyways, we're filming that.
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I'm just trying to process as best as I can. And I speak French, a little bit of Spanish,
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studied Spanish for a few years. So, and when I'm in the field, no matter where I'm in China or in
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Africa, wherever the hell I am, I really want to know what's being said. Like, I, you have no idea.
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Like I go, I go to another level of communication. I'm on a spiritual level. Like I want to hear.
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So I'm picking up words. I'm doing everything I can. I'm reading body language. I'm like,
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when I'm in the field, I need to be able to communicate with people. I need to see,
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I want to know exactly what's being said. You know what I mean? So I'm picking up on pieces,
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like what's happening. I'm feeling the energy in the room. Bam. Like all the, the hospital staff
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catch us filming in there and they're pissed off and they grab the neurosurgeon and they're like,
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you know, and like, shit, I probably just got this guy fired. You know what's going to happen.
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And ultimately we get kicked out and he's like, I might've, sorry, go ahead.
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Before you go to this next location, which ends up being, I think one of the most
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important interviews I've ever seen. Yeah. Um, he's sitting there pointing to the bed
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and saying the being was under blank, like tucked, like a little patient. He said he looked like a
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seven, he had the body of a seven year old and the skin was white. Yes. Pale. Yes. And he said,
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the eyes were reddish. He didn't say red. Yeah. You know, a lot of people thinking these glowing
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red eyes, that wasn't the case. They were red maybe even from, you know, and contrary to other
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reports we'd heard about this creature being brown, maybe once, you know, and, and we can assume
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based on other testimony from other cases that this is excrement that they're leaking out of their skin.
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And it could be brown as well. And that might, you know, once wiped off, leave them very pale.
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Also what the, or maybe the heat of the hot sun. Also. And the molecular biologists that allegedly,
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uh, if you go on Reddit, there's a report of this molecular biologists that are allegedly,
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uh, worked on some of these beings that were frozen. They were pale as well, but he'd noticed
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there were thousands of pores on the skin, uh, in that their whole system would excrete through the
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skin. So very similar, but. What are other animals that excrete, that excrete through the skin? Is it pigs?
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I think chickens. Oh, chickens? Yeah. I think chickens also. Okay. Okay. Um, but yeah,
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so you have this being now sitting here and he says it was like serene. It was calm. And in his words,
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he says he had control of the room. Yeah. Despite the fact that it was in captivity,
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it had control of the room. Yeah. And when he looked at it in the eyes,
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he was like, it just read all my thoughts. There's communication. Read all my thoughts.
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Like he knew everything I was thinking. And he said it was the most advanced intelligence.
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And I said way more advanced. This guy's a, I mean, plays piano like Mozart. I mean,
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he's a brain surgeon. He's an extraordinary human being when you meet him. I mean, he's
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an extraordinary human being and. And he's an empathetic, super empathetic. And he said it
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was an advanced intelligence. I said, what do you mean? Anything more, more advanced than anything
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on earth. It didn't have a mean bone in its body. It was an angel. He's described it as an angel.
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Yeah. And he was, and then I remember asking him like, because we got kicked out of the hospital.
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When that whole con, you know, that whole commotion happened, you're not supposed to be
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filming here. You guys don't have permits. What are you doing? Yeah. But this is where it all took
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place. Yeah. We know that, but we can't, you can't be in here and dah, dah, dah, dah. I'm sorry.
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You know, and it's all happening quickly. It's like, you know, the confrontation with Eric Lopes
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where I, it's all happening quickly and I'm hearing it's all in a foreign language and I'm
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trying to process what's going on. And I'm thinking this guy probably just lost his job.
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He's thinking maybe I might've lost my job. I mean, you know, we ended up leaving,
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going into a cafe. I mean, we were just walking through the streets, doing it where the hell
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we're going, but I wasn't going to let it go there. I needed to sit him down somewhere.
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We just walked into a cafe and sat down and took over that cafe.
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I saw that. I saw the staff in the back and like, what's going on?
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Yeah. And then I'm crying and he's crying.
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Well, he, he, you know, he says something you can tell when you ask him,
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you know, you ask him about the being and he starts going, you know, there was no evil.
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It was an angel and he starts getting very emotional. You can tell he's feeling for this
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being. And, you know, he goes a quote that stuck with me. We have a lot to learn through
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the eyes of that being. And that was just so powerful seeing how emotionally worked up he
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was and delivering that. And you being able to connect with him and him being able to read that
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you were sincere because of spending 15 years.
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More than 15 years going back to, he knew how much you cared about this and it was cathartic for him.
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You, you, you get the sense that this immense weight was in that moment for the first time,
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perhaps in three decades, he was able to communicate the profound nature of his exchange,
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his telepathic communication with an extraterrestrial with someone else. Um, the fact
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that you caught that on video is, is incredible. And, and the whole movie, I gotta say David West,
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our DP had such a tough task at hand because everything was on the fly. Nothing was set up.
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He had light coming in from the windows. He was like, James, I was hustling. I was trying not to
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miss. I only had one camera and I was adjusting things as fast as I could trying to make it stand
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on the face, trying to get you like it was all on the fly. And David West did a remarkable job.
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Thank you, David West. Capturing that moment because it was really intense for me. Cause it's
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like, remember, this is an ongoing investigation for me and for Marco Leal. I mean, look at Marco at
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one point, the camera pans across to him and he's, he wipes his forehead and he shakes his head a little
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bit. Like, did that just happen? Is this just happening? Is this happening right now? Like,
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did I just hear what I thought I heard? And then, you know, as someone who's investigated the case,
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you know, 15, 16 years, I, I'm like, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't believe this happened.
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Like, what is it, what is it like for you after 29 years to finally get this off your chest?
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And he starts to cry. And then, and then we had that moment and he grabs my hands.
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Then the head neurosurgeon, dude, grabs my hands and he kisses my hands. He's like, you can believe
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it. You can believe it. And that's when he says, there's so much to learn from the eyes of that
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being. It's like, whoa, you know what I mean? And like everybody that I've talked to, I mean,
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who knows, like, you never know how a film is going to be received in the public. I did my best
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to try to like, you know, tell the story in a, in a compelling way. We have so much more compelling
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firsthand eyewitness testimony now, chief of police, forensic cathologist, neurosurgeon, like
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another crash witness or another witness of the, of the cylindrical shaped object, very in prox,
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you know, proximity to everything else, but also incorporate some of the, uh, allegations coming
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from the American side from the congressional hearings. I don't want to like beat a dead horse
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or like regurgitate a whole bunch of stuff that's already happened, but I felt like,
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you know, the congressional hearings are very compelling. The allegations, crash retrieval,
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a lot of people coming forward. I feel the frustration within the, uh, within the community
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that they're not providing enough details to verify these extraordinary claims and the
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criticisms coming in. But I have to remind everybody out there that in the last four years,
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we've had four congressional hearings, three of which we've talked about, you know, uh,
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potential crash retrieval people who testifying under oath. Okay. Let's like take a moment and
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recognize that, you know, it's not happening overnight. It's things are moving pretty quickly
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considering how far it's been since the previous congressional hearings over 50 years, but like,
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so, so, you know, taking the congressional hearings, making some sense of that, talking to Eric Davis,
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aerospace engineer, it's phenomenal, but then kind of fusing the two. So it's like,
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you talk about crash retrieval, you talk about biologics, live aliens. I can't think,
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and maybe you can, but personally, I can't think of a better case than the Virginia case involving
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the Americans. I don't think there's a better, more well-documented recent case in the world
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that I know of. And so, um, but who knows how this can be received? I mean, there's ontological
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shock half the time people can't even process. Like, I know how I looked at it all when I was
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doing my second documentary on UFOs. I was, it can't be, therefore it isn't right. So I don't
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know, Chris, I really don't know. I, I, I've never, we'll see how this lands.
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I don't care what people think about this documentary if they don't watch it.
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Yeah. Watch it. Good point. Yeah. That's all I care about is that you watch it. You want to
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critique some of the editing? You want to critique a music choice? Yeah, go for it. I don't give a
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shit. Yeah. Watch that documentary, look into the eyes of the people that are putting everything on
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the line to tell you about the most important, significant interaction that's ever existed.
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I think with this movie and with the research that you've been doing, this is some of the most
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profound, important work done in disclosure, including the congressional hearings. I think
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this to me holds more value because we're not talking to lawmakers or people who've, you know,
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signed away their lives with NDAs. We're talking to human beings, human beings from all walks of life
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who are all in their own right credible, regardless of if they've served in the military or not.
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These people are real and you get to see their emotion. You get to see the tears flowing from
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their eyes. This is real. This happened. And I think that it's some of the most important work
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ever in this subject. I think you've done a great service to humanity with this. I really do.
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Well, I really want to make sure that all the other people involved get the credit to all the
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previous researchers, Marco Leal, Lini Cross, you guys, everyone out there that's come before us.
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Pacacini, Huberto, Jada, Rodriguez, Marco Petit.
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Like, you know, we are stronger together.
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And we, uh, and I think on the coattails of age of disclosure, um, you know, with Lou Elizondo and
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Dan Farah, you can call that a PSYOP, whatever you want to call it. I personally don't believe
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that, but they're making extraordinary claims, extraordinary allegations at the highest levels
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we've ever seen before in history. And I have to tip my hat to those involved for getting that done.
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And then now, now we've got the case.
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This is it. So you're looking for, you're looking for the evidence. This is the case, in my opinion.
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You know, I look forward to sitting here in a year from now.
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By the time, by the time your audience.
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Hopefully we'll be able to premiere, uh, a really interesting video.
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By the time your audience is watching this, I would have been back with another team of people
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meeting with more doctors in the community than ever before in history.
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I want you to be safe, man. You know, that's, this is another thing I want to just touch on.
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Um, I want to talk about Vittorio a little bit more here because prior to the movie,
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you started releasing interviews with him.
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Uh, what was the reason for that?
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Um, you know, to announce the fact that he's back in, you're talking about Pacacini.
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No, I'm talking about, oh, sorry. I'm talking, uh, I'm talking about, um, the, uh,
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Um, you know, uh, when we dropped the trailer that, um, obviously includes clips of him in
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the trailer so that people, it's not like people aren't going to know.
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Um, we, we talked to, uh, Ross Colt's heart at news nation and like, Hey, um, you know,
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I'd actually spoken to him a while ago, right after I'd done the interviews, we'd gotten
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back, I don't know, a couple months later from Brazil. And I was like talking to Ross
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at, uh, contact in the desert along with a handful of others. And I was telling him, oh,
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my gosh, we just got back. He's like, that's one of my favorite cases. Like, you're not
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going to believe, you know, we got, I was like, well, you call me when you're ready to
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make some announcements, drop the trailer, announce the film's imminent release, this
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sort of thing. And so, uh, so I contacted him. I was like, we're ready. We're ready.
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Like in a couple of days, he's like, can you do an interview tomorrow? I was like, well,
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yeah. And maybe, you know, you could have a little teaser clip of Dr.
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Italo, of course, you know, and, and after we filmed initially earlier that way
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earlier this year, we'd gone back a second time. And then by the time your audience
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seen this gone back a third time, because we're really getting to know Italo. We did
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another hour long plus, you know, head on interview with him on camera, going into
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more details. Yeah. And he also like defends himself.
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Yeah. Getting to know his wife. Where he's like, I'm, I'm, I'm the head of three
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hospitals. Yeah. I'm not a slouch. Yeah. Listen to me. Exactly. And, and with
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everything to lose and nothing to gain. I love it. It's like, but getting to know
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his wife, getting his wife to know us, you know, because we have other, there are
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other, there are, I can't, I, um, I'm kind of sworn to secrecy until, until
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January and not because, uh, I'm trying to be evasive or anything, but there are
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other things in the works. Of course. That are, that are going to be, it's going to
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be more than just a documentary. This is a movement and this is involving a lot of
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people behind the scenes. And there will be another big announcement in early January.
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And I mean, big announcement in early January that we've been working on for seven or eight
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months. And again, I wish I could just tell you guys everything. Cause I just can't for
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a number of reasons you'll understand later, but, uh, Will you give me a heads up?
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Of course I will. Cause I would love to. Of course I will. Do anything I can to, to help
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with that. Of course I will. But it, it'll involve things that are happening right here
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in the United States. So big, big, big stuff. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so we, I, you know, uh,
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Ross is like, Hey, can we take a little snippet? Of course, you know, let's, let's have,
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and let's have him in his own words. Let's addressing, you know, and I, with the, when
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I had him, Dr. Eat's low with all the other like forensic pathologists, we're going to
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their homes, we're meeting their partners, their wives, their friends, their local hangout
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spots, the restaurants they, they enjoy to go to everyone getting to know each other,
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literally performing. He's amazing on the piano. People are singing, playing guitar.
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He plays at the end of the movie.
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Yeah. Just getting to know each other. Yeah. He sent us that clip, right? I was like,
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so beautiful. That is so beautiful. I need to have that in the movie.
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And of course the hands of like a neurosurgeon, you don't understand like,
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right. Like literally performing brain surgery. Like these hands have to be
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steady, stable. Like I'm a magician. Yeah. I know, you know, what it takes to develop
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certain muscles in the fingers and different parts of the hand for, you know, slight of
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hand practice. It pales in comparison to what this guy does. I'll tell you that.
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He told me, he would say like, he's so focused on surgery.
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I want to say like, he has to take a break and he'll have somebody come in to replace
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him for a little bit while he takes a break. 10, 12, 13 hours surgeries.
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Jeez. And he goes, James, I'm so focused. I'm like, I'm looking in through the microscope
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and I'm, my whole existence is inside that brain. Oh my.
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For so many hours. You understand the level of intensity of what the work that I do.
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I was like, I'd never thought of it like that before. He goes, I was like, you know, a couple
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of, some of these go on for like a whole day, half a day or whatever. You know what I mean?
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And he goes, I'm in that brain. Cause I'm just, my whole existence is inside there. And then
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having to come out of that existence, it's incredible. You know, I've never been friends
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with a brain surgeon before, like a neurosurgeon. He's incredible. He's an incredible human being.
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And imagine trusting him to. I asked him if he could, but imagine to try, imagine trusting
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him to fix your brain. Yeah. Yeah. No, we jokingly. But don't trust him about what he says.
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Thank you. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. I said to him jokingly, I was like, Hey, uh, Dr.
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Italo, this is just recently. Cause we're on, we're, you know, we're going to be together in
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a week. And, uh, I said, uh, could, could you do me a favor? And he's like, what's that?
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And I said, could, could, could you put a bigger brain in my head? We both had a really
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good laugh because it's like, you know, we're all joking around with each other. He goes,
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when I see you again, I'm going to show you a real brain like this. I was like, really?
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He goes, oh yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. He's, he's incredible. He's amazing. I love the
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out of them. Have you had, has he had any backlash and repercussions due to his appearance?
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Yes. And this is before the movie comes out. So this is only because of what was put out.
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He lost his job. No way. But he got his job back because he was so needed. But yeah, he, yes.
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Wait, how did he lose his job? How did he find out? I don't know if he was fired or exactly what
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happened, but I, and I was so upset. Directly because of this? Yes. But then, then within
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a week, they realized they couldn't survive without him. He had to, he was so critical.
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He was the head guy and he could do things that nobody else can do. That's incredible.
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So they had to have him back on board. So yeah, that happened. So I put out a video like,
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and I said, you know, I w I was a walking, talking video in the countryside. I said, look,
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whether you believe him or you don't believe him, this man has dedicated his life to making
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lives better for other people. He is a hero. He's dedicated his life to do amazing things.
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At the very least have respect for him when you're criticizing, just give this man the dignity and
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respect he deserves. And then I said, if there's anybody out there in the military community thinking
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about paying him a visit, I will dedicate my life to finding and exposing that effort.
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I don't care whatever it takes. We're watching you. We're watching him. He's under our protection.
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And I, and any other witness that comes forward is the same, gets the same treatment.
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They need to be respected and protected to show like, and, and, and that's been totally fine ever
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since. And I think that he really appreciated that video that I put out. Cause I was like,
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I'm keeping an eye on you. We all are. And we got your back.
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The fact that he got fired for saying what he said and then rehired is so, I mean, I love the
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fact that he got rehired. Just goes to show you like, he didn't get fired for a lack of mental faculty
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because then they wouldn't have rehired him. He got fired for an entirely different reason. One that
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they had no choice but to overlook. So it couldn't have been that serious. Like that's.
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I'll get him to make a statement about it soon. Very soon.
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Well, I hope, you know, I hope everything goes well. I hope everything goes well for him, for you,
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for your team, for everyone involved. Uh, you know, you have, you're in my thoughts constantly and I'm,
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I'm really like, you know, throwing out whatever protections I can around you and your whole team
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and, and all the witnesses, I think, uh, just absolutely. We're in this together and we're
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stronger together. Yeah, man. Absolutely. I got some questions I want you to answer. Well,
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actually our audience does. So give me a second. You got it brother. All right. So we have some
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questions here. Yes, sir. From our lovely audience. Who's always, uh, who always brings the heat with
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the questions. I gotta say, and if you. I can neither confirm nor deny. If you guys want a chance and an
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opportunity to ask our guests some questions, you can also sign up to the membership. Uh, with that
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comes a lot of perks, including extra episodes, but also, uh, you get to, yeah, you get to appear
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on this little board behind me. And here is the first question from Draculich. Okay.
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What film do you believe best represents the phenomenon? The phenomenon. That's my answer.
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Um, but if you had to, maybe a film that isn't even like a documentary about the phenomenon,
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like what is maybe like a fiction or science fiction movie do you think would best. Close
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encounters. Close encounters. Yeah. I think that's. I mean. Yeah. You know. Has everything. It's really
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funny because Virginia, if you think about it, the Virginia case, 1996, like think of the parallels to
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E.T. Right. I often think what would have happened. Cause when Katia, Liliani and, and Valkyria came
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within 10 feet of a live creature in broad daylight, remember that Liliani and her sister were the two
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youngest. Cause Katia was 21. Liliani was 16. Her daughter, her daughter, her sister was 14.
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Valkyria. She grabbed her younger sister and high-tailed it out of there. I don't know how far
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they got a hundred feet, 200 feet, whatever. And they realized shit. We left Katia back there.
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Katia is back there and she leaves her younger sister, Valkyria. And Liliani goes back to get Katia.
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Katia was frozen, locked eyes on this creature. And the creature was pleading with her. I need help.
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I'm weak. I'm frightened. I'm just scared. And was asking now what would happen? Let's just say
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if Katia had decided to lure this creature into safety, take it in, take it in the house.
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I see where you're going. I'm just saying. Dress it up or whatever. Put some makeup on it.
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Yeah. But I'm just saying like, that would have been the real life ET.
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Wild how it mimicked reality before it happened.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Could have taken a different turn.
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Which one first here? Let's do this one first. This is from Edson.
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I feel like I'm at a train station in Paris.
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There's only one stop and it's disclosure.
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If you could truth serum one person about the phenomenon, any era, who would you choose?
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That's a good question.
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Hal Puthoff with truth serum?
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I would do Eisenhower.
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Whew. That's pretty good.
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I can't argue with that. Or Truman.
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Truman. Yeah, Truman.
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Not bad. Or George Bush Sr.
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George Bush Sr. Yep.
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Good point. Good point.
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That's a good point. That's a good point. I stand corrected.
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Even Detlef Bronk, who was like the biologist back then, who apparently he was the one who worked
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on these beings and the bodies and stuff. MJ-12.
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You know, I've heard that.
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Would have been a good one.
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Cheney, yeah. Cheney could have been a good one.
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But probably Bush Sr.
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Because he was head of CIA.
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Apparently he was told about the Holloman landing case. I don't know if he was showing the evidence
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or not. That would have been good. So, I mean, if I had to choose one now that you're saying
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Yeah, Carter less so.
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I would say George Bush Sr.
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I'd still go Eisenhower, I think.
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I mean, you hear that address when he left office.
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About the military industrial complex. I mean, that came from somewhere.
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Yeah. When did Eisenhower step down? Was it 60?
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Uh, no, wasn't it, wasn't it in the 50s?
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I thought it was 61 he gave that address.
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I could be wrong. I could, I thought I was 61. I could be wrong.
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Well, I know he served in the 50s, so it might have been 60s.
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But yeah, I'm pretty sure he's got, he took a lot to the grave.
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Unfortunate too, right?
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Yeah, he seemed like a decent man from like, when you hear that speech, it seems like he
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was strong armed into obviously not giving up secrets. When you hear about the lore and
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stuff that involves Eisenhower and the gifts that he might've been given at these meetings
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You know, one other person that comes to mind is, you know, when I, uh, I told you about
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this guy, Jeff Sagansky earlier in the show.
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And, uh, Jeff, I had tremendous, I still do. I have, in fact, he just called me a couple
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days ago. I needed to call him back. But, uh, he was head of Sony Pictures. He was very
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influential behind the scenes, never wanted credit, never wanted a dime.
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Um, and one day I asked Jeff Sagansky, Hey, why are you so good to me? Why are you helping
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me out? He's like, you know, James, you're a small independent filmmaker. You're one guy
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out there trying to like really get to the truth, find out what's going on. I admire
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that in you, your tenacity. And I was friends with Jackie Gleason.
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And I said, really? And, uh, not really knowing exactly where this was going to go, but he
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goes, yeah, I worked on a, I think he worked on some film with him. I'm not sure which one
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it was a while ago, obviously. And, uh, and Jackie Gleason told Jeff Sagansky to his face,
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I don't care what anybody tells you about UFOs. I know for a fact they are absolutely real
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and the government knows it. No question that don't, he didn't say, Hey, the president
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of the United States took me out to an air base in Florida and showed me bodies and good,
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but he did all, but say that is interestingly enough. So Jackie Gleason.
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Could have been one too.
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I wonder what celebrity would have been given such access because you have to think that
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even the people in charge with NDAs that have signed their lives away are still, can still
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be susceptible to vanity. And you know, some of them must be like, you know, oh, that,
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that James Fox guy, I'm really big fan of his, you know, and like they're, you know, it's
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not unlikely that there's a celebrity out there that got some form of access to something.
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Yeah. My problem is, my problem is they couldn't do that to me because I wouldn't take it to
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my grave. Yeah. I wouldn't. Yeah.
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Because I feel like humanity, so sorry, I stepped away from the mic. I just feel like I wouldn't
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take it to the grave. No. Yeah.
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I would be like, if you're going to show me this, I'm going to talk about it. So don't
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give me any, cause I feel like, why should I be any better than anybody else? Why should
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I be shown something that everybody should be shown the same?
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So I wouldn't make that. I mean, I'd go and see it, but I would reveal that I saw it.
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Yeah. I would write a science fiction book.
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That's a, that's a, yeah.
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Read between the lines.
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Yeah. Whether it's, you know, you hear about secret machines, Nick Pope also wrote science fiction.
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You know, so yeah. Interesting.
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Last question here before we let you go.
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And this one, quite a deep question. So, you know, if you, if, if you have no answer for
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Have you learned from Zen, have you learned anything in your investigations that has influenced
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your view of the, on the afterlife?
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I'm going to take a vowel for 300, please. I'll take a Y. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
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Yeah. Yeah, I have. Yeah. And, and, and, uh, unfortunately right now I am dealing with
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my older sister, Janine, who I cherish and she has multiple sclerosis and she's succumbing
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to multiple sclerosis at her will. Uh, and it would have happened by the time this, this,
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this came out. And we talked recently about, and she's very pragmatic and you know, she's
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like, look, man, I've had a great life. Don't pity poor me. Uh, I said that when it came
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to the point where I could no longer take care of myself, I didn't want to be a burden
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on anybody else. I want to be a burden on my kids. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go my way.
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I'm gonna button up all my affairs, get everything in order. This is what she's done. And then,
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uh, I said, well, would it be okay if I tried to communicate with you on the other side?
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She's like, of course, of course. And I said, vice versa, if you want to try to communicate
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with me on the other side, I mean, it's kind of weird having these conversations when someone's
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still alive. Right. But it's just, it is what it is, man. It's really depressing and really
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sad. And I've cried so much in the last couple of weeks, you know, um, I've been very emotional.
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There's so many things going on. Uh, but she said, uh, well, what, what's the best evidence
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that you've heard that there's something on the other side? And I said, well, I work with
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Leslie Keen and she wrote a book about surviving death. I think it was called surviving death.
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And, and then there was a Netflix original made, I think it was a six part series or something
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about it called surviving death based on her book. So I called Leslie and I've known her for years,
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for years. I was one of the first people to put her on camera with Tim Coleman, but for out of the blue,
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the blue back in the late nineties, I think it was late nineties or yeah, probably late nineties, 2000,
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I don't know, whatever. Uh, and I said, Leslie, give me your best, give me your best shot. What, what's,
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how do you know there's something on the other side? And without a moment's hesitation, she's like, well,
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my, um, my partner lover died in my arms, you know, while ago. And, you know, he was there one minute
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and then the next minute, his soul, it was just a carcass. It was like a piece of styrofoam. I mean,
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it was cardboard, you know, and she was like, where did the essence of his soul, like where, what just
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happened? You know what I mean? Cause it's very obvious that this he's gone. So she started
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researching him and she said that she found a medium. I don't think she'd ever met this medium.
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And I, she might've even used an alias, but she, uh, I was, I think it was a remote thing.
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Somebody in, um, it might've been Arizona. And, uh, she said, look, James, it was one of two things,
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either somehow this medium read my mind, things that I weren't even thinking about very intimate
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moments with my lover before that individual died, like details that I've never shared with anybody on
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the planet ever. Either she read that in my mind, which I wasn't thinking about, which quite honestly,
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I hadn't thought about in a long time, or she communicated with him on the other side. It was
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one of the other. So I go, wow, that's, that's, that's pretty compelling. And I'm like,
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thanks for sharing that. Of course. And good luck with everything.
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Thank you. I appreciate that. James, you're a gentleman. You're always welcome here. And
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every time you come here, I am just completely flabbergasted by the amount of empathy you have,
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and the amount of care that you take with all of these investigations, everything you do. So I wish you
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nothing but the best of safety and luck in your continuation of this amazing journey. Thanks.
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Well, I appreciate you having me on and you're the most amazing magician and podcaster out there.
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One of the tops. So I really appreciate you too.
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Appreciate it. Yeah.
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