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the key scientific guy. So he's a super scientist and managed all the crash retrieval analysis
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and reverse engineering in that effort. And so maybe it was back in the 40s that they started
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looking at it, maybe in the 40s that the little alien was dug up, but the headstone was left
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where the parts were retrieved. Actually now that I hear myself talk about it, I think that's
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what happened. Is any responsible intelligence agency or counterintelligence people would say,
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oh, we got to agree with that. We can't let the hang around. They let it hang out there for a long time.
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Yeah, well, they got it in the 40s. They let it hang out for 50 years, you know, so.
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Yeah. Right. So let's get that. And I'm sure that there's been many other,
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I mean, there's other crashes that happened in Cape Gerardo in 41. What happened there?
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Well, Cape Gerardo is also mentioned in the majestic documents. So, you know, what can I cut
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you off for one second just for people to have context out there. Then we'll come right to Cape
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Gerardo. Can you just take us through majestic 12 and what that is in the history of it being
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uncovered? Because there's questions. There's people to try to say it was debunked. There's people
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to try to say it was real. But I just want to make sure the listeners have context. I know what we're
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talking about. No, that's that's perfect. So the broad brush is that there's been a series of
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leak documents starting in 1984. And the last one is like 1999 or 2000 from seven different sources
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spanning some 3,500 pages of leak documents. That's a few. That's a few. Some of it classified top
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secret magic like like that. Yeah, like, well, let's see. Well, like this one. Yeah, this is the
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first one that is the Eisenhower briefing document. I'll hold that up to my camera. This is a first
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generation negative from the Eisenhower briefing document, which came in 1984. What does that mean
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first generation negative? Well, so you have an undeveloped triax film that came in the mail to Jamie
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Shandray and LA. I was an LA producer. So you go to the dark room and you develop it. And then
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you print it. And so this is a first generation print. Very cool. From from that. And it says
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top secret magic on the top of it. And you may. I see. Yeah, and that stands for military
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assessment of the joint intelligence committee. And may J. I said these big terms. Yeah, right.
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Well, there's a document called that. So and then it has a whole list of people down at the front.
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The alleged 12, the alleged original M12. And this is the one that, you know,
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somebody sent to the FBI and the FBI ran around all three letter agencies and said, well,
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did you lose this? And none of them said, we lost it. Oh, yeah, because they were going to tell
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the truth. Exactly. Exactly. And so you didn't even lose anything. Case closed. Right. So they stamp
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it bogus. And and the FBI says it's bogus. And they have it on the web. They have it in the
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national archives as quote bogus because nobody admitted to the lost it. Can I can I read this? Sure.
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Right. Yeah. This is this pretty cool. So it says as you pointed out, Ryan, it says top secret
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magic eyes only on the top, like it stamped on. And then down here, it says operation,
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majestic 12 is a top secret research and development intelligence operation responsible directly.
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And only to the president of the United States, allegedly was set up by Truman operations of the
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project are carried out under control of the majestic 12, magic 12 group, which was established by
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special classified executive order of president Truman on 24 September 1947 about a couple years
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after the nukes here upon recommendation by Dr. Vannevar Bush and Secretary James Forestall,
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who I know James Fox is brought up a bunch, the members of majestic 12 group were designated as
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follows, Admiral Roscoe H. Hillincoater first director of the CIA. Okay. Dr. Vannevar Bush,
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Secretary James Forestall, General Nathan Twining, General Huyte Vannevarg, Dr.
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Detlev Brank, Dr. Jerome Hunsiger, Mr. Sidney Sowers, Mr. Gordon Gray, Dr. Donald Menzel,
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General Robert Montague, and Dr. Lloyd Berkner. Yeah. Okay. Some of those people are very
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interesting in that. Yeah. Can we get context? Yeah. Now I'll give you a few that I have, you know,
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good memory for. Well, Hillincoater is very interesting. He was the first director of the CIA and
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he's got a lot to do with pushing this along as well as Vannevar Bush, who was head of OSRD,
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Office of Scientific Research and Development. He was the key scientific guy. So he's
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a super scientist and managed all the crash retrieval analysis and reverse engineering in that
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effort. Okay. And then you go to James Forestall. Forestall is interesting for, I have
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Forestall's FBI file and yeah, I have a bunch of FBI files. But it's a nice old flesh. So he had
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sort of a drinking problem a little bit of psychological stress, but he also was sort of thrown out
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the window on the gas available hospital, a defense-traded sort of speak. You couldn't fly. You couldn't
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fly. And now the question is why and was he going to tell the truth? He was a loose cannon. Was he
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mentally unstable at the time? But, you know, he was the, you know, secretary of the Navy. General
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Nathan Twining was the key guy in the Roswell investigation and then and was very much the good soldier
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and worked hard at the whole Roswell reverse engineering. Hoyt Vandenberg was his boss.
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DeLive Bronk was a scientist and I have Bronk's FBI file too. And it's plugged into Euphodex as well.
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Nice. So Bronk was a surgeon, a scientist, somebody capable of doing an autopsy of an alien and one
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of the majestic documents capable of doing autopsy. He actually did an autopsy of an alien that was in one
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of the majestic documents. He worked, uh, was good friends with Leslie Groves, the head of the man
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had Matt Damon in the movie. Yeah, Matt Damon in the movie, right. And then, uh, Don Menzel was a
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famous Harvard astronomer and sort of a debunker of Euphology. So he's a disinformation agent in the
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in the front facing world of Euphology in that era. And Lloyd Berkner was another one working with,
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with Bush and plugged into the White House. I actually got, um, I think in Berkner's FBI file,
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I have a, um, a document that says, uh, he was assigned to the White House for special studies project,
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quote, M for majestic in theory. Uh, it doesn't say majestic, but there was another person that has
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the same M classification. So these were the original people that, um, were at the highest level,
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in the majestic documents, all, I have this list on majestic documents.com of, uh, MJ 12 personnel,
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which is like a hundred names of people and their, um, their affiliation, their, their social
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security numbers, their, uh, military ID numbers, their date of birth, date of death. Um, and that's,
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that's all findable on majestic documents.com. Guys, if you're still watching this video and you
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Yeah, let's, let's pull up the, uh, the Wikipedia, because this is going to be biased against
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majestic 12. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they deferred like everything on there. I just want to see
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what that says for people. So again, like they're going to have to put everything on there.
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Yeah. Take this with a grain of salt, but go down a lese. Well, let's, let's, I'll, the, the top,
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I pretty much already read off what that is. Go down to analysis. All right. So class's investigation
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of the MJ 12 documents found that Robert Cutler was actually out of the country on the date he
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supposedly wrote the cutler twining memo. Yeah. And that the Truman signature, I don't know, we lost
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the screen. Yeah, Truman signature. The Truman signature was a pasted on photocopy of a genuine
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signature, including accidental scratch marks from a memo that Truman wrote to Van
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of our push on October 1st, 1947. Can you scroll down, Lese? Class dismissed theories that the
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documents were part of a disinformation campaign as ridiculous saying they contain numerous flaws
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that could never fool Soviet or Chinese intelligence. Other discrepancies noted by class included
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the use of the distinctive date format. The match one used in more personal letters and a
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conversation reported by Brad Sparks in which more confided that he was contemplating creating
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and releasing some hoax top secret documents in hopes that such bogus documents would encourage
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former military intelligence officials who knew about the government's alleged UFO cover-up
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to break their OSUS secrecy. Yeah. No, those are, those are the classic objections. So I'll make
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a few comments. One is that Truman had an auto pin, which is a pin where you, you, you move your hand
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once and five other pins do the same thing at the same time. What? Yeah, it's called an auto pin.
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I have a picture of Truman using it. Is that on the internet? It's on, I think it's on
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majestic documents.com in photos. So are they attack or the pancreas? Yeah, they're mechanically
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mechanically attached. Oh, okay. All right. That makes sense. I thought you were talking about like
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magic anti-gravity. No, no, no, they're mechanically attractive. And it's something called an auto pin.
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They used it for signing invitations and signing documents. And the whole date format thing that
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class mentions is was widely debunked by by Stan Friedman and written up in his book. He actually
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won a bet against class for a hundred dollars of signature, a hundred dollars per date format.
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How many date formats were there? Well, class refused to pay past 10. So we paid a thousand
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dollars to Stan Friedman. But Friedman found like 20, 25. Yeah, these were all at the
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Library of Congress manuscript division. So that whole message is and then class himself
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is part of the disinformation campaign in Ufology. I distinctly remember him coming to a variety
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of conferences and sitting in the front row and basically throwing barbs and refusing to
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accept any evidence. He was he clearly had connections to government agencies and it was
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his focus was on debunking. The same way Richard Dodie is in his history, history. And there's
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several others that are also Bill Moore is mentioned there in that Wikipedia mentioned. And Bill
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Moore in 1989 was in the Las Vegas Mewfond Conference and he ran out the back of the
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the stage when the CIA was brought up and he's questioned about that. He said he had a and my father
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knew him. I had met Bill Moore before. So this needs to be done. I mean to do a good job of
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writing a book about the the cases and aspects of disinformation in Ufology. There's many other
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cases. Richard Dodie tried to manipulate Lynda Molten Howe on several classified documents.
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And then there's the show he showed her a bunch of documents and then he was going to give him
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to her and then took him away. I think to do would be the interview Lynda and ask her what's going on,
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what her I've heard her talk about it before. I remember the Paul Benowitz story where Richard Dodie
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was also involved where they basically tried to and Bill Moore as well psychologically
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to destroy and manipulate a man to suicide. I believe Darcy we're talked about that one right?
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I'll say that was the same one because he was talking about Richard Dodie. Yeah. And so there
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are cases like that. I'm not an expert in that. I just hear that through osmosis of being around
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the field for a long time. So going back to the majestic documents there's this Jamie Shanderer
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event. And then the next major event happened in 1994 when a undeveloped film canister of
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Triax film again was mailed to Don Berliner in Washington DC who was an aviation week and space
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reporter. And when developed it turned into the special operations manual, extraterrestrial entities,
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technology, recovering disposal. So this particular manual is the most powerful, the most
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authentic, the highest confidence of all the majestic documents. I've done the most analysis
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along with my father about its authenticity. And how do you authenticate something like this?
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Well, there's we'll take the first page just for an example. So you'll see at the bottom there's
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the war seal. Yes. You see the so first of all, you find another manual that's in 1954
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that has the war seal. And so you can go to the government documents library at Stanford or
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our CU Boulder or Library of Congress, etc. And pull up other manuals that use the war seal.
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Some of the critics have said, well, this is fake because the government issued an order
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than 1952. You're not supposed to use the war seal on any documents anymore. You're supposed
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to use the federal seal or something. And so it's fake because of that. But no, you could find
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other examples of where they used it. And so that is a hallmark of authenticity, for example.
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Or the the style of the the Psalm 101 at the very top in that style is correct.
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And copyable though 40 years later. Well, this leaked in 1994.
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Right. And this was 19 April 1954, allegedly. Right. Well, the latest edition of that was 57. But
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when you say copyable, could you fake it? Yes. Could the C.I. could fake it? The question is why
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or the KGB could have faked it. But the question is why? Why leak it? Why? It's a disinformation thing.
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So I think it's not so much a clendestant leak to try to do something to scare the living
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daylights out of the Chinese or the Russians or the Israelis or who have her about it. It's more
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that it's authentic. And there's a couple of their points of authenticity before I just mown on,
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really. The biggest thing is on the inside page, there's a what's called a change control page,
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where it's stamped Kirkland Air Force Base and dot max unit KB 88 building 21. And there's initials
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EWL and JRT that for the changing out certain pages in the manual. And so I said, who are these
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guys? EWL and JRT. And I went to the Albuquerie phone book for 1954 and found the two officers,
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their names in the phone book. And they both were on perimeter road like four houses from each
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other. One was a lieutenant colonel and one was a captain, I think. And so I literally found
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the guys that were responsible for marking that. The also thing that we did is we took this manual to
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well, they were purported too, right? So and what did they, did you talk to them? I hired a private
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investigator to go find them and try to talk to them. One was dad and the other wouldn't talk.
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And but the point is that this came out in 94. This is before computers. What the next thing we did
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was we took it to Robert McArthur, who is a retired government printing office employee,
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basically wrote the government printing style manual for several years, which is a big thick book
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all about the nature of how you write government documents. And my father and I went to his house in
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in Virginia. We had this green card table and we slid this document across to him and said,
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well, what do you think of this? And his response was, well,
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by the title, I would think it's fake. But then he flared his flicking through all the pages and
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said, oh, the Z in synchronizer was raised off the line, which is an artifact of a hot
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printing press. So and he said, federal was capitalized correctly. And that's.
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Why do you think the first page was fake? I don't know. Just from the title, it was so weird. He'd
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never seen extraterrestrial entities technology. So that was sort of his, as a joblo citizen in the
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mid 90s saying. So he went through and concluded that this falls all the various
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style details associated with hot led printing presses and classified documents. And some of the
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what they call entomology, which is the word usage. So it's critical. It's critical. So for example,
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screwdriver is two words or one word today. And in the document, it's two words, which is a hallmark
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first aid was capitalized instead of a single word today. And there's other little subtleties
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in the the language use as well as all the references in the back were correct. But these are
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sort of hallmarks of the authenticity. What was so stunning is the content. If you just go to
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the page that says what to do with the bodies and the parts and where to send it and ship it.
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That's the you know from right Patterson Blue Lab to Area 51s for.
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So that's the part that's very interesting. Whoa. Okay. I see that right here. It says like
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living entity, living non human organisms and apparent good or reasonable health.
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Okay. Code EBE010 receiving facility. OpNAC BBS-01. Yeah. Now are we able to have well some of
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these say Area 51s for which a lot of people have heard of. Yeah. But are we able to know
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if all these are government or actually run by a contractor? Well, I think they're all government.
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Okay. I think at this time, I mean Area 51s for is great. And in the blue lab at right
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Patterson Air Force Base. So yes. Yeah. WP. But OpNAC BBS-01 is still somewhat of a mystery. I
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think BBS-01 stands for Bronx, Steal of Bronx, Biological Section. What makes you say that?
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Well, his Bronx was the guy who did the autopsy of the alien along with Charles Ethan Ray in the
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majestic documents. So those are the two guys that did. And then you know, we're getting ahead of
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ourselves. But in one of the majestic documents, the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit Document,
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it says, Dealiff Bronck and Charles Ray did the autopsy of an alien. And I said, well, who's this guy
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Charles Ethan Ray? And so I hunted around and he was a surgeon. He also was at the Mayo Clinic
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and worked with Leslie Groves and he had the credentials to do an autopsy of an alien.
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And then I called up his daughter in Seattle and talked to her on the phone.
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What did she say? I said, well, do you think your father autopsy of an alien? And she said,
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yeah, I wouldn't put it past him. Yeah. She didn't elaborate. She didn't say that he ever told her
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that she did it. He did it. But no hesitation in her voice. We talked a little bit about her
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father and she sent me some documents and pictures and so forth. But you can get his military
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personnel file and he was part of the medical corps and very relatively famous. There's a huge
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plaque about him in Minnesota. So he's a real stalwart, along with Dealiff Bronck. I mean,
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these are, if you 1947, you wanted to do an autopsy of an alien. These are two people you'd tap,
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particularly because Leslie Groves, the head of the Manhattan Project,
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would have chosen these people in a super classified way to do that.
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