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Welcome back to Reality Check, and this week in our continuing series of interviews with
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people who featured in our UAP crash retrieval story, Don Paul Bales. He's another of the
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interviewees with an impeccable military service history who backed the credentials of our
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primary interviewee in that story, Jake Barber, who served at the elite of the US military. Mr.
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Bales has 25 years combined service in military and law enforcement. He served with the 82nd Airborne,
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the US Army's elite specialist parachute assault airborne infantry division, and he also served with
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the US Air Force. As he tells me in this full length interview, he met Jake Barber in 1996 and
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soon realised very early on that Jake was far more than the aircraft mechanic described in his
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service history. He confirms Barber was diverted from his Tier 1 combat control training into a
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covert intelligence role. Crucially, Don Paul Bales also later worked as a member of Jake Barber's
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team on the range. He corroborates the work they did and the anomalous phenomena they witnessed there.
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He was also present when Barber confronted a senior executive with the private aerospace company
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that had deployed them on the operation that went bad. Here's Don Paul Bales.
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So don Paul Bales, thank you so much for joining us. Can you just tell me a little bit about yourself?
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I've got a kind of interesting back story. I've done 25 years combined service in the
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Witcher and Law Enforcement, grew up in Arkansas, and I'm now running an MMageum. I've done so
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for about a decade since I left being a full-time police officer. And that's about it.
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Okay, so when did you first meet Jake Barber? 1996 when I was serving at Fort Bragg North Carolina
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with the 82nd Board of Vision. Now we're constrained because of your docks, it's about the units that
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you were working for. Yeah, specifically, but basically you were both working as special operations
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elite soldiers. Yeah, I was with the 82nd and prior to my service with the army, I was with the
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Air Force and I met Jake of in that official capacity and soon after we met I started finding out
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that he was involved in different levels of service beyond the topical surface units that he
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appeared to be a member of. So, yes. So, Jake Barber tells us that he was essentially
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diverted out of what was the normal track program for a combat controller. Normally, I'd
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yes, he might have been put into something like Delta Force or one of the US Air Force groups,
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but he ended up getting diverted, he says, into a covert role with an intelligence agency that
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we're not going to name. Yes. You can confirm that? Yes, I can. Are you happy to share if necessary,
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your DD214 with us to give us an idea about your... My DD214? Oh, yes. I'll have to one from the Air Force,
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one from the Army. Right. And so, there's no question at all in your mind that Jake Barber is the
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person that he says he is and he's had the service that he says he has. Yes, served with him and also
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been close friends for decades. The DD214, the release document, discharge document for Jake Barber,
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that only shows him as being an aerospace mechanic. Doesn't that mean that that's not the case?
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When you're recruiting someone for programs that exist outside of public knowledge,
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and you're going to have them acting in ways, moving around, their capacity needs to be
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verifiable, explainable in a more mundane way. And at first, when I first met him, I thought
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the same thing that he was simply a matter of a conventional military unit come to find out that
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was not the case. However, working in that capacity is a perfect cover story for the things he
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was actually doing for the unnamed three-letter agency. So, he's not just an aircraft? No, he's not
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just an aircraft mechanic. It's a great cover. Let's talk about Jake Barber and his character as a
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human being. You guys, I know, in special operations, you're often in some tough situations. You have
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to rely on each other. Is Jake Barber a person who you would trust? Oh, yes. He's a person I would
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and had trusted with my life. If he says something which he's sick to us, he's made extremely
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detailed allegations and comments to us about the program. Can we take it to the bank that what he
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is telling us is true? Absolutely. And the capacity I worked for, Jake, was unique from the other
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people involved with the program. He's in a leadership role. As you'll find out interviewing me,
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I've served in a pretty particular way for that program. But having both a military and extensive
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law enforcement background, I've seen extensive credentials that he maintained. In credentials,
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he was even issued at specific points in time to accomplish specific things. He's not credentials
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that can be fabricated artificially per se. And given having worked within law enforcement and
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military communities, I've seen orders, I've seen credentials, he is a highly credible person
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who has functioned on multiple levels within covert operations. What do you think of these morals?
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His ethics. In my opinion, the very fact that he's coming forward in the way that he is is
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exemplary of his character. Because many people who come forward to disclose have their character
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assassinated. It puts their well-being and jeopardy on a lot of levels. So there are people who've
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lost their lives. There are people who've lost their careers. Luckily, I think Jacob is smarter than
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the average bear. He is a very diverse person that he's functioned both within his capacity in
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the covert community. He's also a very successful entrepreneur. He has made a small fortune for
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himself with multiple businesses he owns and operates. And since you asked about his character,
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when you have a comfortable life and everything to lose and nothing to gain, I do believe that there's
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been some crack pots and people come forward over the years because they're seeking fame and fortune.
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He has fortune and no need for fame. What do you think about his decision to be a whistle blower
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on what's being done inside the crash-retraining private? I think he's very strategically wise in
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his timing because there have been people who've been involved with the program he's involved with
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that have lost their lives. And I think at this point, it is a good
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inoculation to any nefarious actions against him to come forward and share what he knows.
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And there's enough people now who's pedigree within government, within the military,
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very high-ranking officers, multiple special operations service members. There's actually a small
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army of people coming forward. And I think that he feels compelled to support these people who are
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being attacked professionally and personally. And it's a good defense for himself, I believe,
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and it's in defense of the greater good and the truth of this. This important time in history,
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I think he feels compelled to do what he's doing. I've often said that the story of the suppression
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of the existence of a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet is the biggest story in human
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history. Oh yes. Do you agree with that? I do. It's super important to me on a personal and a
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professional level. I'm not an overtly religious person, but I believe strongly in God. I'm a patriot.
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I believe strongly in my country that doesn't mean I believe in my government. I believe in the
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founding principles of our community in our country. I believe in our country's people. But I
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believe that there are bad actors when I sworn oath to defend our country. It was against all
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enemies both foreign and domestic. And I think some of the greatest enemies that we have,
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unfortunately, are bad actors within the deep state that are preventing, let's just say, the growth
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of humanity, the maturing of humanity and the context of some things that most of us know now.
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Others will instinctively and fundamentally doubt, but the times coming will that will not
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be an option. There'll be too much. It's like drinking through a water hose at this point, the
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amount of imagery, the amount of whistleblowers. I think that we're coming to a quickening in history.
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You see the shiver out my spine when you talk about swearing a knife. Because this
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article one of the U.S. Constitution, you understand, don't you? I do. What does an article one of the
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U.S. Constitution enshrine? Well, the legislative branch in particular is supposed to have oversight
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over all activities that are done in the name of our country and the further its interests.
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It's protection against threats in particular the way we spend our money. There's massive amounts
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of money that are so big that when the average citizen hear that the Defense Department can
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account for billions of dollars or more, they're like, wow, that's crazy. And they just go about
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their daily lives. The fact that members of our own government have not been read in or advised
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the truth of these things, that presidents are referred to as temporary employees, that's not just
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immoral, it's unconstitutional, it's not lawful, it's not the best interest of our communities and our
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countries. I just tell you don't, I just have a sense then that what you just said was historic.
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I don't think anybody's ever said that before. Well, it's unfortunate because I worry,
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I'm very much a family man, love my wife and children more than anything. And our country is
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historically positioned to set this standard for personal freedoms. Our Constitution was developed
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in a futile time in history where you've been a war-like people at war with each other since the
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beginning of recorded history. And we wanted to create our government of the people and for the
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people. And in so doing, the founding fathers had the wherewithal to create checks and balances
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to prevent the very sort of things that we see happening now. And those checks and balances from
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your knowledge of what's going on are not working. No, they're not working. Former president warned
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us the single greatest threat to our country was the development of the military industrial complex.
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Well, I have agreed you need to have a strong military industrial complex to defend your country.
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But when that very organization is promoting wars for the sake of wars with holding important
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technology in the context of this interview, advanced technology that is reverse engineered from
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extraterrestrial technology, you could literally change the lives of every American citizen and
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we're a standard bearer for the world. If these things were brought forward and shared, it would be
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life-changing. And instead of worrying about my children's future, I would know that whenever my
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time comes, there's a brighter tomorrow. There's a lot of things and people standing in the way of that.
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Let's go through the detail. Okay.
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When you were in the services before you got involved with Jacob Barber. Yes.
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What did you even think about UFOs, UA Pigs? Kind of grew up like most of last I'd most. I was one
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of the kids. It was in the science fiction. One of the first movies I saw as a kid was Star Wars,
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What Star Trek. But beyond the pop culture thing, you know, I was just as into, you know,
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Hot Wheels and GI Joe and Transformers other than the popular culture notion. I did like a
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British show, Doctor Who, when I was a kid, I thought all that was very cool. But beyond pop culture
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and science fiction hadn't thought much, much of it until after my military service, after meeting
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Jacob. You know, I always thought that it's a big universe, the idea that where all there is,
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I don't think is that's mathematically beyond an outlier. I think it's impossible, not just
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improbable, but I haven't had much interest beyond just the passing interest in science fiction.
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Is there a moment when you discovered for the first time that we are not alone as humans?
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I will say this. Before I begin doing some of the things I'd have done for Jacob,
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and before I saw some of the things I saw, I had a previous position to think that's probably
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true, but I don't know. But when you witness things, you know, like there's a lot of imagery
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that's out there now. It's been out for years of craft UAP, used to be UFO, what are you going to call it?
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That move in ways which define normal flight characteristics and physics. But the problem is,
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we exist in a day and age of movies and CGI and you could see stuff and that's not believing.
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Even the things I've seen myself at range becoming directly knowledgeable about the programs and what
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it can mean, there's this extraterrestrial or advanced technology. Is it reverse engineered human
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technology? And that presents a unique threat to us as a nation. I don't believe we have a
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government that does a lot of good and noble things under offense. We have bad actors. I think
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the same as true of other countries too. So when you start to see and experience things first hand,
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it matures you're understanding, like, oh, there is something beyond this here. Even at the things
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I saw initially were AT, there's nothing that is publicly known which can explain the flight
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characteristics. And these go back, you know, you can watch shows, documentaries, it's a long standing
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fact that they're observable phenomenons that cannot be explained. When you start to see it and
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then you get involved with people who are directly responsible with the crash recovery and other
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things and understand the weaponization of these things that is all too human of a thing. And I
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think once you experience it, it's not like this awesome. Oh, wow, this is all real. It's
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well, what are we going to do with this? Like splitting the atom, you know.
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Can I just explore with you? There's obviously been a very successful camera decades.
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We've all been taught. Most people watching this, I think, think that UFOs, UAPs are complete
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rush. Yeah, that's the default. I think it's a self-defense mechanism of human psychology.
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It is much easier to think that everybody that talks about this is crazy than accept the fact that
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we're not alone in the universe. B, UAPs are real and what does that mean for us? Are they
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a risk to us? Are they some ways an asset that could create a brighter tomorrow? I think the both
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are likely true. But for most people, it's easier just to say, ah, that's a bunch of crazy people,
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that's fake. It's not real. It's kind of a default self-defense mechanism. And when you combine
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with that, bad actors within certain levels of government, they can fuel that by throwing out
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disinformation. They can paint people who are honest in exposing what they've seen. You see
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everybody from high-level military operators to mundane people, school children, seeing things
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by the dozens. It's very easy to explain things away with lies when people's default reaction is
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doubt anyway. To your knowledge, have people been killed to protect this? Yes. They have.
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That's horrific. It is horrific and it's evil and it's unlawful.
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I'm just pondering for a moment the significance of that. People who presumably wanted the secret to
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be told. Well, I hate to say it, but again, as much as I love my country, there have been times where we
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have done things that in hindsight were not just wrong, but they're morally reprehensible. And
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unfortunately, people have been killed for much lesser reasons than something as significant as
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this. And if you think about the amount of profit that can be leveraged against this technology,
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unfortunately, there's that old biblical idea. Man cannot serve both God and man. Well, when
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there's so much profit at stake, it is unfortunately not surprising to me that people have been killed
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to cover up which particular elements of government, which particular commercial entities
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have access to this technology, biologics. I think it's unfortunately very easy to understand
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that people will be killed because of the amount of profit involved. One of the problems, I think,
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the mistakes that we in the media often make is we tend to see the military or the intelligence
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community as one big moral lesson that all thinks the same way. I've been quite struck not just
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because I've met you guys by the number of people who have contacted me from within the legacy
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program for years, deeply concerned at the fact that this has been kept secret. Yes. Well,
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you have to think also, going all the way back to the development of the atomic bomb, there's
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an instinct within the intelligence community to compartmentalize knowledge and access to evidence
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and documents because the single best way to the single best way to make someone appear to be
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lying or in some way crazy is you don't give them the tools they need to prove. Even people,
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I believe you've interviewed Lou Alessandro, there are other people who have come forward to David
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Grush. If you can compartmentalize it to the point that they cannot present the evidence,
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because again, you could watch stuff on your phone now that looks real and it's something somebody
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made up with software. The easiest way to maintain this idea that this is all revish, I believe,
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the term you'd use is just when you have everybody compartmentalized, but those same people know
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what they've seen. They know what they've done. They have seen evidence. They have taken in,
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in this case, been involved with crash recovery activity. Then you add to that, okay, there's not
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just this great, libing told to our countrymen, but their patriotic brothers and sisters have died
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in the service of it and at the end of the day, they're called liars and they try to discredit and
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debunk them. That's a deeply painful thing for people like my friend Jacob, who's literally given
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decades of his life and service of this. Ultimately, what you're assessing there is that Jacob's
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being the true patriot honoring the terms of your constitution. He is. Well, again, love for one's
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country does not mean love for one's government. Sure, we can all pick politician on both sides of
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the aisle that we think did great things for our nation and some that we think were horrible bad actors.
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The truth is, most are human beings and they've done both good and bad things. I was a big fan of
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Reagan. You could list a number of things he did which were crucial to what we're discussing now.
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You could also describe actions that he took that some would consider villainous. No one individual
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is either fully good or bad. So now, like you said, it's not a monolithic one entity. There's
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organizations within organizations that may be performing similar functions that don't even know the
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other actors exist. That creates quite a bit of risk. Obviously, there may be weapons that
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may be the word. Yeah, technologies that could be developed from this alien technology.
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As I say the word alien, my head explodes with the implications of what we're talking about.
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You were talking about non-human intelligence, intelligent beings from somewhere else.
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And we have the technology. That's what we're saying. Yes.
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Yes. It's my God. It is. What do you say to the people watching this who are going? I don't believe this.
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Well, I saw mean, it says something about conspiracy theorists are doing pretty good right now in
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terms of everything that we say within five or ten years you're considered ridiculous and then
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you're vindicated when something comes down range. It is more and more and this is the big thing.
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It's got to be tangible evidence that can be given to credible evaluators of tangible evidence
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because imagery along is not enough anymore. Even testimony, you're just going to have one person
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after another discredited and that doubt reflects will kick in from whomever is viewing. But when
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things get to a point where so much information is coming forward and it can be
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supplemented with tangible evidence, they'll come at time when you can no longer deny it.
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And again, I fear that disclosure, there are those who want to disclose for very good
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and noble reasons and those who want to disclose I think for evil and the fairies reasons.
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Similarly, I think some who have kept it hidden feel like they're being compelled to do so
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by good and moral reasons. Some have kept it hidden for very evil reasons. So you have a very
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complicated issue and I think it's exactly what you said, Mr. Colhartt. It's literally going to change
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humanities. We will never view our place in the universe the same again and it'll be the most
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significant of it in human history. It is happening right now. So is there one moment that you
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can tell me about when you've seen this technology feel so for the first time?
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Honestly, it's kind of not that big a deal. Seeing them in the distance is one thing.
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I'll tell you one that aggravates me because I didn't see it. Well, my cohorts did and it's one that
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exists outside of Dops or Review because we're now moving into a stage where I'm functioning as the
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same asset I've been but publicly for an organization that's being funded publicly. Some of the
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members of my team saw an object pass directly over my entry control point on a site I was at
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and it was at such a range and I was like, man, so I'm here facing this direction and the thing
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passes over me in a direction I didn't see. It's not the ones I see that are cool as a feeling of
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being left out of the one that I can publicly discuss which is quite irritating.
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So what types of craft have you seen the egg? The egg was the one, this last one.
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I'm going to go back in a time period which is not and I'll say this too. Part of what I did for Jacob
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is I performed a lot of peripheral duties, movement of people and things. Something as mundane as
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I have a hazmat driver's license. I've protected people and things and moved people and things
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but I'm not a pilot. My function on the team again, I have communicated with high level security
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officials on behalf of and with Jacob direct communications is dangerous because people have lost
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their lives and it's probably more my law enforcement background where I became a good asset to
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Jacob and still am than my military background. Jacob is kind of hard because he's also my close friend
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and he's risking quite a bit to do this. I was surprised but not surprised, surprised because
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the risk, not surprised because of his character. It takes a lot of good coverage. Oh it does and he
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has more to lose. Ross, he's a businessman and a very wealthy businessman, very creative entrepreneur
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and into music. He has a beautiful family. A lot of interests outside of this, literally risking
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everything and he's not the average citizen. The fame is not going to be an asset to him.
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Let's talk about the Syonics. I hadn't even heard that word until about two years ago. It's crazy
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in it. There was a scientist in the program who said to me that if I needed to understand
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what was going on, I needed to understand consciousness. Yes. It's true isn't it? This is a long-term
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but I've had the pleasure of meeting multiple Syonic assets. I've seen them function. I know
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they're capable of doing what they're doing. This is funny. I told you about the incident that I was
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present for that's happened since the classified stuff but that's completely public and that
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brings me to a funny story. Fred and other members of the team see this thing. Gary has the
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Syonic assets doing their thing. Jacob's over there eating some food and I'm watching all this
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guy. This is very cool. This is very interesting. This is great because of the proximity because of
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my normal duties. I'm right there ready to rock. I go down my entry control point and I come back
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and everybody's all, oh my god. Then Fred tells me and they're going through all this. Then,
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I'm flying back to my normal life and I'm sitting in an airport having a drink and I start
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getting all these information. There was a massive amount of reporting on social media and the
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immediate proximity of the work of the Syonics. Now the dog whistle, the science based, I would say,
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the technology based way of communicating within H.I. and UAP says one thing. But the Syonics man,
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it was the amount of activity in the area immediately proximal to what we're doing was amazing even
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for me. So you can definitively say that you believe there is a capacity in the human mind to
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somehow psychically, telepathically connect with the team. Yes and Dr. Nolan's done a good job.
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I don't understand. I'm not even going to try to use the anatomical part of the brain because I
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mess it up every time I try to say it. But there's physiological signs that can be measured. Dr.
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Nolan's quite good at this and I don't know if it's a byproduct if it's something that they were
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born with or is a response to interaction with. If it's a product of communication in some way
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that they were chosen and communicated with or if it's something that they were born with and it's
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genetic or congenital trait. But there is certain people who are quantifiably, verifiably capable of
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this. I think a lot of people watching this might be able to come to terms with the idea of
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they're being aliens, not human intelligence. I do think a lot of people are going to have trouble
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with the concept of psychic abilities being real. I mean we've all been told for years that psychic
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abilities are fiction. It's nonsense. Again, that doubt is the even religion, doubting Thomas.
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Doubt seems to be the default mechanism. Until you've seen it or experienced, I believe that's
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probably the psychologically set for a way to view things. But having seen it actually function
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as one thing, but the amount of activity by all social media is a funny thing. Because if we say
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that this incident occurred, that's one thing. But if you go back and you see people all around
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a geographic area starting to report and see things, the old from the country, the old saying,
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the proof is in the pudding. When you see these things manifest a response from UAPs,
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well, is that a coincidence? Given the size of physical size of our own galaxy and solar system
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alone, the likelihood that that is not a direct reaction to an overt attempt to communicate,
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I think is just as unlikely. It's exciting. It's very interesting. It's spiritual. It is. I believe
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it's very spiritual. I mean, I'm not a good enough scholar to reference it, but there are things
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biblically which refer to wheels on the sky and such, in history you've seen images and paintings
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and things. It kind of hint that this has been something that mankind's been aware of since even
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before recorded history as we know it. Are you a man of faith? I am. I'm a Christian by definition.
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Do you find the concept of believing that aliens are real and that we can psychically engage
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with them? Do you find that contradictory to the unbeliefing God over them? No. Now, some of my,
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I'd say, believing brothers and sisters, whether they be Christian, Muslim, Jew, or some other faith,
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I think they may find it anithetical, but to me that's a knee-jerk opposite of reaction. If you
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think about a God as a prime mover, a creator of the universe, to think that a universe that we
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now know through modern science, I think we have something being stood up next year in 2025
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that will be one of the most powerful ways to view our universe that we've seen in our history.
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We know that we have a very expansive universe to think that we have in Christians believe, Muslims
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Jews believe that we have a creator of the universe to create this much space for one self-aware
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species seems to be like a lot of waste of space. It's an arrow in the street. It is. It's you, Bruce.
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So let's talk about the concerning things that happened during your work with Jake.
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You and Jake were tasked to recover what you guys refer to as high value targets and they were
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six Panasonic Toughbooks. We don't know for sure what was on those Toughbooks, do we? But it may
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have been video, it may have been some kind of data, but the company, the private aerospace company
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that we're not naming that you were working for in that particular job, it wanted those books back.
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Yes and technically I did not work for them, I worked for Jacob. You would refer to me as a sub-contract
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employee. So what happened? I'm not going to discuss any of that. I've not been reviewed.
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My activities have not been reviewed by dobser. Can you confirm this? We you involved in any of
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the retrieval attempts? Yes. And I'm not out of respect for Jake going to go into the detail of
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what happened, but I'm aware that a dangerous incident occurred. Honestly, that that a concern arose,
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didn't it, in your group? Yes. That as a subcontractor, your whole operation was plausibly denied.
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Yes. Was there a concern that you were being set up? Potential.
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Yes. Setup is a mild term. You touched on earlier the fact that people have lost their lives
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involved in this type of activity and the links to which people have gone to suppress politically
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uncomfortable truths, let alone the world changing facts, is such that there is risk involved.
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And because I'm a unique element in service of Jacob and the overarching program, unlike the
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others, I've been present when we've attempted to make direct contact with superiors within the
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program to clarify exactly what's going on and to find to get to a place where we felt comfortable
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within the context of what we were doing became more and more difficult. Both of you came away,
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I went named the Proud and Aerospace Company involved, but I think Jake spoke to the director of
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security for a Proud and Aerospace Company. Yes. And another of you came away with the
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saints that you were getting a straight answer? No, we spoke with more than one individual at a very
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high level of authority. And I don't know what Jacob said, but I'll tell you this. And I say this
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based on my law enforcement background too, when the people who are supposed to be at the highest
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levels are afraid to discuss what you're doing, that's a clue. When they are worried about their
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well-being and the well-being of their families, and I'm talking about as high of the food chain
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as the public would be aware of these food chains within these unnamed organizations,
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when those people are afraid for their physical well-being and their families and say the
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smartest thing you can do is to let this go, don't ask questions, walk away. When they're afraid,
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then there's cost for concern. Who's running this cover up? Well, that's a good question.
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I mean, there's incredible power behind what we're seeing if somebody's pulling this drink.
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Well, you touched on this earlier, Ross, that there's likely more than one program.
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So there's likely multiple cover-ups. If there's more than one organization within our government,
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let alone other governments. If they're organizations which are controlled not by the government
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proper, but by private industry, that operate at a high level and that recruit and contract legacy
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assets within the government's programs, everyone, imagine something more valuable than oil,
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more valuable than any precious metal. Something that could potentially be the most valuable
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technology in the history of mankind. How much time and money would they invest in trying to collect
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through that? Okay, then now you have multiple private organizations, multiple government entities,
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all of that may be existing sometimes in cooperation, but often not, can part penalize.
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So you don't just have one cover up. You have a culture that is inherently invested in making sure
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that what they're doing is not known because you don't want competition within industry or foreign
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adversaries. The default response of multiple entities would be to try to hide everything,
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tonight, tonight, tonight. Can you think of any good reason why I can accept we perhaps in the
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public just like we don't, we shouldn't know how to make nuclear weapons. I can accept there might
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be technologies that might be quite dangerous from alien technology. But in and of itself,
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can you think of any good reason why the public can't know that we are not alone?
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Well, I'm going to play devil's advocate and say yes because I have a service background.
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Our economy is based on natural resources, oil being prime examples like hydraulic despotism.
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The value of an economy is based on your ability to acquire a particular thing.
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What if as some have speculated technology existed to recruit energy right out of the ambient
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surrounding environment? Yes. Well, okay. If you have zero point energy, what is the basis for
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the global economy? Everything of value instantly disappears. So now you have this war for control of
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that technology. So for one thing, it would fundamentally destabilize the economy entire world.
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That's a thing. Now we have nuclear weapons. Already we have foreign adversaries that have
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hypersonic weapons and we're supposedly behind them. That's not the case. We all have hypersonic
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weapons. Okay. Now imagine a weapon that can fire device so fast you can't even measure it by
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the standard concept of acceleration of a solid rocket fuel based weapon. If you could fire and
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you talked about my faith, there are people who have very radical views of this world and God
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who want to wipe their enemies off the face of the earth. Would you want to put a propulsion system
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in the hands of those people if they could with the touch of a button annihilate massive numbers
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of people? So as I said, there are people I think that want to not disclose for reasons that they
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feel are nobling good. What do you personally think? How are we ready? Yes, because here's the thing.
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Even having played Devils Advocate and said all that and I don't know how or if this is edited,
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but I'll say this in the context of everything I just said, you could keep all of that
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totally protected. I doubt there's very many people out there who could construct a nuclear bomb
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even if they had access to the plans. But you could also disclose, yes, we've been in communication
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with nonhuman intelligence. Yes, there are multiple species out there. That fact in and of itself
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is not going to create doomsday weapons and it's not going to destabilize the economy. It's going
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to cause the maturing of an entire people and maybe we'll get to a point in history where instead
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of being adversarial, we realize, because we're part of a much bigger universe, maybe we need to
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resolve some of our historical conflicts and start thinking about our place in the universe, not
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just our place in the world, not our country and our government versus this country and this
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but how are we as a species being evaluated by other species? All of you gentlemen, you, Jake,
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Fred, John, all of you have fought wars as patriots for your country for much of the last 30, 40 years.
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The big message in all of this is that there is a technology that makes that whole idea
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redundant. Yes, that's the word I was going to use, but you beat me to it. Not just redundant, not just
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counterproductive, sadly many wars are fought for profit. It's not a good long-term strategy.
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Peace and prosperity should be the focus on the goal and many governments, including my own
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seem to have a many levels lost side of that. And like you said, the disclosure of nonhuman intelligence
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I would like to think that it would make people perhaps take our place in the world more seriously.
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You know, we exist, we have our popular culture, we have our sports teams, our musicians,
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people like me that are into politics and we root for one team versus the other.
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All of that would be muted somewhat in the context of a greater truth. People of faith will be
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challenged to look more closely at the faith, not believe what they believe because it's what
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they're taught when they're young or they've gone through a bad experience of life and had
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a conversion experience. But no, we better think very seriously about God or mortality or place in
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the universe because it's a bigger, more complicated universe than many of us think they know.
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There is a splendid anarchy in what Jake is proposing you guys do. It's called Skywatching.
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Tell me about it. Well, I think it's unique. I do know there are some other people trying to attempt
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similar things in the Galileo projects and other stuff. There are people trying to collect evidence.
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Evidence is exactly what you need and it can't be imagery. There is imagery now that we know
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as Jews collected by military organizations and there's demonstrable flight characteristics moving
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in and out of the atmosphere and out of the ocean. Things can't move like that. But you're doubting
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promises are going to say, hey, that's probably propaganda. It's misinformation. It's CGI.
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If you get tangible physical evidence, you can send craft or biologic samples to multiple
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universities and higher learning institutions. Then there's no longer. You can't doubt it anymore.
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People would have to take a hard look at that point at the truth of the subject.
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You talked earlier about the issues with compartmentalization, meaning that it's very hard to know how big
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the program is. Left-hand doesn't know what the right-hand is doing. But there's another problem,
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too, isn't there? Because good science depends on peer review sharing ideas. Yes.
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And my understanding is that there are materials, science, breakthroughs that haven't happened
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because people's secrets are in the world. Yes.
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I mean, the great thing that could happen is I mean, I'm not so excited by Skywatch,
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because there was one of the greatest periods in American history was the Apollo moon program
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where we said, we know, we will send a band to the moon. Yes. And we did. The potential behind what
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Skywatch it can do is incredible. Well, it might force the hand of some of the bad actors.
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If you produce physical evidence and technology as a result of that physical evidence,
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there is physical evidence and technology already in the hands of certain organizations,
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both public and private. If you produce that evidence, you're kind of forcing them at this point
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to kind of get in a disclosure arms race. Well, yeah, you know this and you know this,
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but we know this and this. So at some point, it would be mutually beneficial for everybody to
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finally put all their cards on the table. I think they'll be forced to do so. I'd be very surprised.
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Don't lift the Russians and the Chinese. I know what you're trying to do the same thing. Oh, they are.
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So this is as David Grush said to me when I interviewed him in 2023, there is a secret cold war going
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on. Absolutely. And again, for good and bad reasons, I'm both sides of the equation.
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But Skywatcher, in particular, I like the involvement of Dr. Nolan. We have Sionics. We have
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technological assets that most people don't know exists. The dog whistle. The ability to
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contact and collect tangible evidence. It would be the game changer. I believe in your interview
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with Louis said it's not an event. It's a process. We may go from a process to an event.
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That is a game changer. And right now, unfortunately, we're on the precipice possible in World War
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3. We have multiple hot spots around the world, which we seem to as a species be determined to
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destroy ourselves. We probably need a game changer event. We need something to make us stop and
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reflect and work collectively to a greater good. I appreciate that some of what you've seen
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has classified for good reason. That's completely cool. What I'm looking for here is the excitement,
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the aha moment. I'm looking for that moment when you suddenly realized, oh my god, this is real.
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Well, can you give me a sense of that emotion?
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What you think can be wonder. But it's more like I wonder what those who are involved with all
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of this are going to do with this. Where what's an event you could explain and compare it to?
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I don't know. What's that? I'm from the country, your kid. You get old enough to safely handle a weapon.
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Okay? So you're taught how a pistol in a rifle works and it's very powerful and it's an aha moment.
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And then you think, oh, good lord, if this handled, I could kill myself for someone else.
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That there is both wonder and weight with knowing versus believing. I believe in God. I have no
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proof. I choose to believe my particular faith. I believe in God. But when you know certain things
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exist, then you think about what is the weight of this and the hands of humanity who has done both
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glorious and wonderful things throughout history and woeful and horrible things. So the wonder and
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the aha, yes, but seeing the seeing the craft, I'll tell you one thing is when I was briefed in on
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all of the when I was read in on all of the different types of craft. One thing that I did not know
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based on my personal experiences up to then I'd had experiences before then. But when exposed
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to that, I don't think I can discuss exactly in detail these classifications. But let's say that
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some were actual craft, UAP, and others in my mind appeared to be more like an actual NHI, like an
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organism, like it's not, you wouldn't describe it as a ship, more like a well in the ocean.
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But these nonhuman intelligences are able to move about our natural universe much like we walk
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around on land and you know, we'll swim in the ocean. But there's another dimension too, literally
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in physics, metaphysically, that some of these entities seem to be transdimensional. They can move
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in ways that I mean like they're there and they're not there. Well, yeah, there's
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but when you think about a thing that's there and that it's not there, okay, well where did it go?
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Or did it move at such a speed I can't see it because I'm not a scientist. My mind's like,
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well what is that? Well, when you see the classifications of it, I felt like a long time. Do you
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remember the 1984 movie Ghostbusters? When they brought the guy in and hired him Winston Zed
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more because paranormal activity had increased so much, she said, first thing she says,
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do you believe in UFOs? Ghosts, yadda yadda yadda. Said, lady, if there's a paycheck in it,
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believe whatever you want. Then he goes out and he starts seeing all this stuff.
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And then it's just his job. And like every other job, it has some parts that are really cool in
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other parts that have you worrying and scratching your head. Well, when you see how many different
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types of UFOs, if you even watch some of the documentaries on the phenomenon,
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you see a lot of different types of imagery that most of us involved with this know, yeah,
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that's legit, that's bogus. Well, disregarding the bogus, there's a much diversity in the legitimate
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footage that is out there. That when I was, that's, I kind of think that's my aha moment. When I'm
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not just doing a particular thing, I'm, hey, you show up here at this place, this is your load out,
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you do this, this, and this, that's great. Well, when you're ready and fully to just how much is
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known, how many various types of crafts and beings, I would say, that's what I would refer to in HIs,
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that's my aha moment. It's not getting handed the gun. It's told the details of this is a lot
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bigger thing than even in, even you who has experienced and seen things on your own,
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buddy, it's bigger than you could even imagine. The overwhelming sense I get from you and all the
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guys that have stepped forward this show is optimism. This is incredible. Yes. Again, I'm a patriot,
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I'm a person of faith and I'm worried for my kids' future. This is interesting, I like being
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interviewed. None of it's more important to me than my children in their future. And we're at a very,
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very dangerous time or history. You asked me about our government and how our own legislative
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branch is supposed to have oversight of things and they have, it's failing. It's non-existent.
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When you have the only few people that seem to be read in or those who want to suppress and tell
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everybody else to shut up, nothing to see here, well, that doesn't give me hope for my children's
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future. Or gives me hope is the people like Jacob who are willing to risk everything, say,
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yeah, no, no, no, is it real? I've been involved in it for decades. At great personal risk to
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his health, his wealth, and his well-being. It has cost, it could have cost him his life on the
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number of occasions, his cost him his health. And now he's risking his entire life and livelihood
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to share this. So I hope all those people that watch this and that they doubt take into consideration
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what these men are risking to share this with you. Why would they do that? There is a lot
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to lose and the only thing to gain is the betterment of mankind. I would not myself
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have risked this if not asked to do to come forward and share this by Jacob.
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People can't, they don't end their day-to-day lives, realize what he's risking. As opposed to
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a normal asset, normal assets are not millionaires, they don't own multiple businesses. One of their
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greatest allies is their anonymity because your fewer person means everybody wants something.
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One of Jacob's greatest assets up to now is nobody meets him thinks that he's a multi-millionaire
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that he's involved with all these things. And other things, really interesting ventures of a
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true Renaissance man. He's, you know, plays music. He and I have had our share of bouts,
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combatively, we do martial arts. Very interesting, dude. He's got a very prestigious pedigree trained
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with me in the martial arts way back in the day and the military in sense, but he's actually trained
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with world renowned instructors. He's given up in a risk and quite a bit for this. And if it wasn't
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for knowing his character and why he's doing it, the matter, I hope that the person's watching this
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would realize how much he's risking to share this knowledge. Now what are the things I take out from
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is that you've emphasized there are good people, very good people, in the military and the
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intelligence community who do want the storyteller. Yes. But there are bad people, there are malign
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people. Yes. What are they going to try and do? How do you think they'll respond?
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Well, they respond to David. How they respond to Lualisando. And because it's compartmentalized,
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I know some of these people. I don't know a bunch of them. So I have to do the same thing that your
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viewers will do. Well, is this person legit? Or are they full? It's hard to tell. I do know this,
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though, those who are all of those who are disclosing the knee jerk reactions discredit their mental
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health to call them a liar. I believe high level military official came out later and said,
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no, well, Zando was in charge of exactly what he said. He was in charge of you. You can believe
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what you want about everything else. He says that was his position. He did do that job.
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Well, these people are risking so much when they do this. I think that that's the epitome of evil
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when you have members of your own community, your own military, your own government, your own private
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organization that are attacking you, engaging in character assassination, potentially having people
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killed. That's a horrible state of affairs. This isn't just a story about UFIs, isn't it?
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No, about human nature. But it's also a story about restoring American democracy.
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Oh, you'd ask me about that. And that's very true. And because I'm going to look at another historical
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event, the assassination of Kennedy. Okay, everyone knows that there are things which are not being
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disclosed. Let's use that as a metaphor for this. Why? Everyone involves dead. You're not exposing
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anyone to individual harm. Why are you still refusing? Because if you don't tell the truth, if you're
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intentionally beholding that from the American people, you're talking potentially about killing a
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duly elected president for some nefarious reasons, then democracy does not exist. If you can just say,
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no, you're not allowed to know the truth of why this president and how this president died
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after all these years. Why that's not been disclosed. Now, we're not talking about humanity changing
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a bit. We're talking about the assassination of a president. Okay, why is that not being disclosed?
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An absence complete transparency with the American citizens? No. I believe the quote from one of the
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founding fathers is you have a republic if you can keep it. Well, now if we don't disclose,
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and I'm going to go on front of tangent here, yes, we need to disclose about UAPs and NHIs.
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We need to tell the truth about what happened to that president. There are many things which are
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undisclosed, which need to be disclosed. Or America's citizenry, it's not like we're losing confidence
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in our government. We have no confidence in our government. And that's I have friends who are
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hardcore conservatives and Republicans, friends who are hardcore Democrats and liberals.
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One of the few things everyone gets agrees with is that we're not getting the full story from
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our government and our governments not always acting in our best interest.
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