Transcript: Military Captured A Live Alien (NEW Proof Revealed) | James Fox

dude so this morning i watched your movie oh wow the new movie it's fresh yeah i like to keep it

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fresh and i have to say i was just completely thrown by that last scene with the neurosurgeon

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talking about that being it was like that what he described is like exactly what you would imagine

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or exactly what a spielberg movie scene would be in this scenario right it's this he described this

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being sitting on the hospital bed this neurosurgeon communicating with him being calm content and he

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said there was nothing evil nothing malevolent and it was just there with us and it was calm and the

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military person and takes it away and then like he started crying about it you could really and then

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he also said it was like an angel you know uh people have criticized i've gotten a little

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criticism online because they're like well there's a video statement from dr italos denying having seen

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the creature i was like yeah that video statement came from us like we filmed that because we have

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a mole at one of the hospitals i'm not going to say which one who's been telling us for over a decade

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we we meet covertly every time we go to virginia says you might want to go talk to this individual

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you might want to talk to that person that person i i've got word that that person saw the video and

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it's like we're trying to track down the video that's like the holy grail right

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so we hear the dr italo this is like a year ago maybe a little over a year ago

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we hear the doctor well god it might have been a year and a half ago at this point

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time flies and we hear the dr italo who's a neurosurgeon at regional hospital had seen the

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video so we're like going after this guy with everything we've got as we do with with witnesses

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and and it makes sense because we have all this testimony leading up to regional hospital then we've

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got a gap at regional hospital we know the creature ended up alive at regional hospital because of all

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the capture the the girls like all that stuff lines up perfectly that it was at regional hospital

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alive we also had testimony from military ex who drove a creature or two creatures definitely one

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that he saw from humanitas hospital to as a military base and then from eza to campinas where the americans

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came in and we could talk about the foyer requests for the flight logs then we put in but that's another

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conversation so regional hospital was the second hospital regional hot well they went to initially

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went to a clinic and then evidently the doctor came out the creature didn't even get out of the car

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and took one look he's like i don't know what the hell that thing is but get it out of here and they

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left and they went to regional hospital got it so so we heard about this dr italo character

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as having seen the video so we went after him marco marco layal my partner boots on the ground he was

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like he's very good very persistent he's like me we're both incredibly tenacious i mean we're like

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the squeaky wheel and we ultimately get a meeting with him and marco puts it on zoom video zoom call

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and again this is like a year and a half ago and i was just laser focused on the video like i was so

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excited i was bubbling over like a kid on christmas morning you know i'm thinking oh my god really does

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this guy because i'm thinking either he has a copy or he could lead us to who shot it and who has the copy

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right so i'm asking him did you see the did you see the video did you see the video did you see

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the video of the live creature blah blah blah you know marco's translating everything on the screen

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while i'm doing it i was in vermont and um and he confesses that having seen the video on video and i

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i was like oh my god you know and he now jokingly calls me oh my god because i was like oh my god you

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know because it's a big development for me right the first time i'm talking to a neurosurgeon who

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evidently saw the video so we hang up the call and i'm thinking okay i need to go back to

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virginia i need to dig deep on this one which we did later multiple times and um uh marco sits down

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with him and questions him some more and it's like pushes them further and he denies having seen the

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creature he's like this video as far as i'm gonna go you know and so that happens

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the next year he has a heart attack then he gets prostate cancer and evidently during the heart

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attack he he knew he's a neurosurgeon he's like i'm having like an heart attack right takes himself

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to the er and he's like i'm having a heart attack like all the symptoms of a heart attack so he's

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staring at the ceiling at the icu and he says to himself because his partner who's a fellow neurosurgeon

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who's also involved in the case also died of a heart attack right yeah he died of a heart attack

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in 2018 marcos venesis anyway so he he says to himself if i survive this i'm okay i can't take

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this to the grave right if i survive this story then he gets prostate cancer meanwhile we're like

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trying to follow up with him constantly i jokingly said to marco he's like trying to grab a bar of soap

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in the bathtub like he gave us a little bit and then we'd grab him and he was like sometimes he would

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respond then he wouldn't respond it was like he wanted to engage with us but he was just like

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the the implications of it he's a current neurosurgeon even to this day he's a neurosurgeon

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and you can imagine like people are gonna have their brains worked on they're gonna get word like

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oh this guy you know oh the guy's the alien guy work on my brain right had communication with a live

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alien yeah i don't think so and the hospital doesn't want that association you know the military

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it's pretty clear the military put the kibosh down and all this stuff

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so we went back to brazil in january of last year and with a film crew because i was like year ago now

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yeah just about exactly a year ago yeah and um with a film crew because i had two forensic pathologists

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and we had some additional people we're going after but two forensic pathologists one who founded

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the lab that did the tissue sample analysis the deep dive into the tissue sample analysis

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of the deceased military officer who allegedly grabbed the creature got a little scratch on his

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armpit according to the forensic pathologists and there was some bacteria under the nail of the

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creature that inadvertently got into his blood and he died like really quickly and we talked to the

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doctor that worked on him while he was still alive then we talked to the you know autopsy dr armando

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who performed the autopsy he provided tissue samples to dr janini who founded the lab ipd labs

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and he's like what was the toxin like a granular toxin yeah they said they he's like i've been doing

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thousands and the guy's in his 80s he's like i founded the company that did the analysis he's like

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i've never seen anything like it prior and everything anything like it before he gave us the full detail

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this is all happening but while we're doing all this in the back of my mind i'm in virginia i'm going

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dr italo dr italo he's got the video he's got the video and he's not getting back to us he's being

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real slippery and so i said to dr armando who's very well respected within the medical community

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in virginia a january of 2025 and i said hey you know we've been really trying to get a hold of this

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guy and i'm sorry if i'm going off on a tangent but this is important background we've really been

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trying to get a hold of this guy you know dr italo and he goes oh yeah yeah i know him

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hey dr italo yeah of course he picks right up for him

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and he's like yeah with the americans it's all in portuguese i'm picking out a little bit

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the americans blah blah they really want to meet with you blah blah blah blah remember he had a heart

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attack and then he had prostate cancer and uh he goes tell him to meet me at the back of the hospital

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tomorrow at 10 a.m and that was at regional so we don't know exactly like okay we're gonna go we're

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excited but we don't know exactly what is going to reveal to us and i don't even think quite honestly

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he did so we go with the team the next morning he meets us at the back the back entrance sneaks us

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through maternity ward we go through these corridors boom down these hallways we're filming rolling camera

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we get to the icu he goes gear up okay i had to put everything on to go just to go into the icu right

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and he starts talking initially about the video and i think he just said fuck it you know i think

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he just decided right there on the spot i'm going full monty and he's like yeah it was in and i it

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caught me off guard i mean the whole thing's captured on on camera yeah you know and it was like

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and then um then the you know people that run the hospital catch us filming in the icu none of us

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supposed to be there we'd have any permits he snuck us in he's like i think i just lost my job

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then we ended up leaving the all of us together with the camera crew leaving the hospital i'm just

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trying to process what just happened i'm like this could be the biggest development in the history of

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the phenomenon and up until this moment you only thought that he saw a video yeah pretty much well i was

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well yes yeah totally and then he goes on when you get there he proceeds to tell you he straight

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up had a conversation with the freaking alien right there in that room remember everything's

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happening rather quickly and it's happening in portuguese and i speak french and i speak a little

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spanish right right and i've been going to brazil long enough where i can pick words out of portuguese

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i mean when i focus on a different language i don't care if it's chinese or like russian you know

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but i really have this i have a lot of weaknesses in my life but i i languages are not one of

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them i can really i could somehow i read body language i was like i just think i was like

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hold on a second i was trying to process it in the icu i was like did this wait the video wait the

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creature was this is the very bed like right it all happened right here yes and then he just dropped the

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bomb on us and i was we were all were like if you go if you look at the film at the end when the camera's

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panning across when we arrive in the cafe and you see the sound guy you see the translator you see

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marco layout my partner he's like he's trying to process we all were like this guy just dropped an

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atomic bomb on the world like yeah the leading neurosurgeon to this day right now today putting

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his entire reputation online what is he lying to not asking me on camera not asking me for a dime okay

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lying to his wife lying to his kid lying to all his fellow co-workers why on earth would he do that in

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his twilight years like it doesn't make any sense what makes sense right before he's about to retire

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right before he's about to retire what makes sense is that he saw this creature he goes i don't care

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it happened and the younger generation needs to know this is what's happening i shared a clip with your

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partner that i haven't shared it you can play it if you want but it's of him just a statement that he

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made because he's coming to the united states to testify in washington dc at the national press club

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i've been working on it for nine months yes you have no idea what i've been doing to make this

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happen i have the surgeon the neurosurgeon is coming to washington dc yes but i gave a statement

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because if anything happened because his health has been precarious so i got a statement from him

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but he's coming i bought his ticket i got his visa got his passports all it's all it's all approved

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he's all ready to go all ready to go it took me i've been working on it for about eight months are

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you going to go down there and fly with him or are you gonna let him know i have a number of

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i have drivers picking him up okay and his wife and i've got other people i've got the the uh

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forensic pathologist that did the autopsy on the deceased military officer dr armando he's coming

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he's bringing a statement from dr janini who's too old to travel about the tissue sample analysis

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which is absolutely mind-boggling mind-boggling dude mind-boggling yeah are you aren't you a little

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are you a little nervous for the trip that he's about to make like i'm sure i'm sure everybody

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knows about this all the agencies nervous about everything oh no i involved members of congress

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oh the state department yes because trying to get the visa applications i had like

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15 applications 14 applications something like this yeah is this the video uh no that's the other

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one that is with the video with him in the coat he's got a coat on in the lab nope that's the one with

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all the doctors and that's an amazing clip and you should watch that for this one right here this

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one right here that's the one all right give us some volume steve give us some volume and back it up

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go for it i swear that i will share that is the truth and nothing but the truth

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i've been a doctor for 46 years in 1996 on january 20th i was called to see a patient

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getting there i realized it was being not a being not of this planet i was called to give my opinion

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on the case accessing it medically assessing it conscious no pain no bleeding breathing well

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very calm and tranquil resembling a seven-year-old pale no bad odor the head was large teardrop shaped

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small mouth one hand under the sheet other one out the eyes were red they were

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lilac and teardrop shaped looking at me very calmly not agitated aggressive or in pain

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i think not afraid either he seemed to understand the situation

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a beautiful gaze without judgment twice he looked at me then to the window then at me again

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i stood about 60 inches away from him didn't i did not touch but i was close

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his way of looking

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suggested an intelligence greater than ours than humans

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he understood despite his defensive position he was not afraid he understood what was happening

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he likely had some purpose for being there

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the truth is i'm an eyewitness i saw the being say what you want joke mock but i saw him lying there in

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front of me it's important to highlight this is not about money this is what changes the very concept

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purpose lying to his i mean with his sitting with his wife he's lying to his son his family his

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co-workers of 45 years there's another clip is what is this press club event uh january 20th at the

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january 20th at the national press club in washington dc okay so check this out this is me two weeks ago

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in uh virginia brazil with an unprecedented meeting with all the doctors involved with the case and

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there are others but all the doctors that we know of involved with the case and listen to what i say

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to all the doctors and there's amar with yes series that next to me question i'd like to i'd like to

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ask janini how long janini has known italo

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48 years 48 years

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35 years 35 years how long have you known italo 35 years so doctors when he says he saw the creature

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in captivity at regional hospital do you guys believe him

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it's the one that did the tissue samples of the deceased military after that why

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dr janini yes he owns the company ipd labs that did the tissue samples he did them personally he's

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never seen anything like it since or before thousands and thousands and thousands of studies

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he said he said the bacteria performed in a way that nothing he's ever seen on earth this is the

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bacteria that killed marco shirizzi evidently yes what what else did he say about that bacteria

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specifically so the doctor you see right here there's dr cesario with the glasses on there's a guy

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filming him yeah that's the guy that worked on marco shirizzi while he was still alive in the

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hospital okay this meeting was unprecedented it just happened a couple weeks ago so for people that

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for context for folks uh you can go back and watch the original podcast what you and i did about

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two and a half three years ago on this but marco shirizzi was one of the police officers

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that captured the alien when it was running around town yeah and he grabbed it with his bare hands and

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threw in the back of a police car he had back of a cop it actually was not a it was a car one of

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their personal cars but in any case okay yeah there were two uh military guys eric lopes was

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driving eric lopes was driving and he had a mission that night and he was on duty for to go look for

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something terribly unusual i don't even think he was told like there's an alien on the loose you just

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like go out and and so he calls his buddy who was not on duty marco shiriz they were buddies that

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grew up together they're both military police and in brazil when you're when you're a police officer

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you're military when you're a fire department you're still military if you're a radar control

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operator operator you're still military right mm-hmm so he calls his buddy he goes hey i got this

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unusual mission you want to you want to jump in the car you want to you want to go with me

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and he's like yeah what's up and he says you know there's this strange creature or something eric

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lopes was in charge eric lopes was in charge eric lopes was driving and they this thing runs across

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the road and right in front of them just a couple blocks away from when the girls had seen that

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creature three girls in broad daylight just just a couple hours earlier and the military blockade

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all around that area everything lines up perfectly and um grabs the creature without moments hesitation

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puts it in the back of the car i was told even on his lap by one of the one of the brazilian

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researchers new eric lopes but i'm not sure about that takes it to a clinic and the clinic doctor came

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out saw the creature and was like i don't know what that thing is get it out of here and then he

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ultimately takes it to a regional hospital where he drops it off and then dr italo was on duty that

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night so uh he gets a scratch and apparently had like some oil on his skin which is weird because

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the girls described this creature as exactly as the same creature that italo saw the little knobs on

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the head the big eyes he described them as they described him as red he described him as lilac um his

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he described the the skin was more more of a white they were saying brown and oily in the operating

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room right they said it was white too yeah it was exactly in that well let's say the operating room

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of the uh it was the icu yeah icu yeah so anyway um i don't know man one can speculate but the girl

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said it was cowering it was afraid it was suffering that she said that it was really because january is

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summertime in brazil that it was really really hot and that the skin was just like it looked like it was

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really suffering out in this maybe it's some sort of defensive measure where this it extreme excretes

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bodily fluids out the skin and that smells does it turn brown from the hot sun i have no idea and it

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reeks of sulfur and ammonia yeah it reeked of sulfur and ammonia so but anyway so marco shriez

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gets this infection he gets a scratch under his armpit and it wasn't like the creature tried to kill him

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it was just like he grabbed it and he got a scratch under the armpit and dr janini who saw the older

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gentleman he said most likely the scratch came from bacteria under the nail of the creature and

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they got into his blood right dr cesario worked on him in the icu and he said i threw the kitchen

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sink at him i've never seen bacteria not respond to what i did ever before or since and he's been

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working he's been a doctor for 45 years wow so he was there at that event then we had dr armando who

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performed once the marco shriezzi died he performed the autopsy and then and dr armando provided tissue

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samples to the owner of the company ipd labs dr janini and he's the one that went on camera and the

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old guy with the white hair yep and they all decided ultimately to go on camera that's why i was like this

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is really significant development these are scientists you know what i mean so that event was really

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important because it brought all the doctors together all the doctors wives together were in a relaxed

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environment and talking about it's like do you believe this guy how long have you known him

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if he says i mean i just don't see why he would make this up dude it's so crazy to me like what like

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this this story is so you're so deep in the weeds with this story right you're in the guts of brazil

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right talking to these doctors in this hotel lobby about a live alien i know that accidentally

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infected a guy and killed him with bacteria and then the surgeon had a conversation with them and at

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the same time you have another foot in like washington dc with people like christopher mellon

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and lou alizondo like how do you wreck how do you how do you reconcile that like how do you

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like when meanwhile i'm having a hard time these guys are going on documentaries that are like oh we

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have to do disclosure and they're talking about skiffs and congress and and uh uh unidentified reverse

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engineered craft sitting in hangers and you're in the jungle talking about a freaking alien being

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and it crashed you and it crashed you like do you have conversations with those guys about this

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stuff i do it's really you know my life has been really weird these last couple years my family life

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is is really struggling and i don't blame i don't blame her because you know i'm really i'm almost like

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it's like if you can imagine witnessing a really crazy murder right and you're a witness to it do you just

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like let it go right or do you feel like this burning desire to let the world know it's not

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like i want to come across as this crazy you know person that feels the need to spread you know the

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truth you know it's not like that because i hate people that prophesize and go around it's like you

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know people that are vegetarians like yeah i don't eat meat it's like shut the hell up you do you let

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me do me right or somebody who's maybe a scientology you know right go out there and you must you know

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right knocking on doors about you know you know what i mean like spreading the word that's not me

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but what do you do like i feel like if this story is true and i'm ready to put my life on it that it is

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and i didn't believe that when i first started this investigation over 16 years ago i really didn't

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and i totally understand when i see the level of skepticism with people like ah it's a bridge too far i get

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it believe me i get it but i'm like if this happened would you consider this a significant

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story and everyone's like oh dude this is the biggest story ever like this and i'm convinced

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it's happened and i can't let it go i can't i can't do it so so it's really frustrating because

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i go to sleep thinking about it i wake up thinking about it and i and at some point

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i i can't you know i can't let it destroy me you know what i mean right i'm doing the best i can to

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get it out there and at the end of the day i'm it's all i can do and i'm hoping that other younger

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generation will pick up the torch and also like continue digging i'm hoping that i can launch an

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investigation a congressional investigation and we filed foyer requests about flight logs came back from

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the cia denying those foyer requests and um but maybe congress maybe i can raise enough noise and

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get you know influencers like yourself to say hey let's at least prove this wrong let's at least launch

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a congressional investigation let's find the flight records for all the planes that came into campinas

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from united states air force during january of 20 of 1996. like why not let's let's look into that

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because i've got people in the united states air force one colonel that i've been working with he's

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retired he's like i'm telling you man if i can get a flight log i'll know where that plane went then i

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know where the debris was talking and blah blah blah blah and it's like we need that but i need help

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like i need so i'm just hoping that all these efforts and and and the recut of the film which quite

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honestly maybe the first cut moment of contact which was very compelling right i mean it's very but

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now we've got the chief of police we've got two forensic pathologists we've got the head neurosurgeon

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you show me one case in the history of the phenomenon where we have extremely credible

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testimony i can't say it's ironclad he doesn't have a video but he's this is extremely credible

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eyewitness testimony of first-hand telepathic face-to-face communication with an alien in captivity

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yeah show me one case i think i think that that whole movie that whole movie is far more compelling

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than any of the movies and no not to discredit your movie the program which is excellent yeah

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and phenomenon but like all these movies that are just like dudes in suits from washington talking

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about this stuff to me like there's an irony to it where it's like most folks distrust the authority of

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the government right like if you look at the history of the united states it's spotty to say

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the least with all the wars and everything like that but like the irony of this whole disclosure

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movement is that the people same people that distrust the government are looking to the government

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to give us the truth about this right which is why i find your story far more compelling and these

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people that are actually like on the ground and living in brazil and neurosurgeons and and all these like

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normal these real humans real people with real lives who have nothing to gain from going on camera

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and talking about this and i went to also i went to brazil three times last year meeting with their

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wives their family members their daughters like getting to know each other going to like piano bars

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and playing music and singing together just getting to know each other on a human level right developing

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that level of trust and i put out a video i didn't give it to your guy i put out a video this was

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about uh maybe a week or two after the trailer dropped and word was getting out that italo was

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coming forward the head neurosurgeon everybody in the town knows the guy he's a prominent doctor for

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40 whatever years and um he was getting messed with they were threatening to take his job away things

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were getting precarious he was scared and i was like okay i need to back this guy i need to back this guy

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up and i basically put out a video which spread like wildfire all over the virginia right i mean

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i got the mayor i'm working with the mayor now chief former chief of police and that video was basically

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like hey you know even if you don't believe him that's fine i'm not asking you to believe him i

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completely understand your level of skepticism but respect this individual who's dedicated his life to

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helping people he's ran three different hospitals he's the lead neurosurgeon and by the way

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if any military personnel are considering paying him a visit and i was serious as a heart attack

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when i said this i will dedicate the rest of my life to find out who you are and expose you guys

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because that's i want i want people to know that i've got their backs i'm not just out there trying to

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make a quick buck off their story i've got their back to the day he's dead right he knows that and i put

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that video out we had a screening just a couple weeks ago with the mayor oh a whole room's packed i got

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video ammar was there with yes siri he filmed the whole thing and had a couple people come up to me

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and uh witnesses and they said uh when we saw that video of you like when we saw that video of you

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having his back it was uh it was like um you had all of our backs so i was just like you know i was like

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that's so there's that trust you know i'm saying that trust has to happen and it's like you know

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and getting in with their families i can't even describe to you guys like what it's what it's like

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i'm like this happened yeah my god this stuff happened and i think there's more now we found

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we have a couple names of people that were at humanitas hospital and they're not quite ready to

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what has been the response from about this whole investigation on virginia to these these like these

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big wig folks uh in washington that are like all about disclosure disclosure disclosure well here's the

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interesting the interesting thing is just trying to get people to watch the film yeah because it's almost

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like it can't be therefore it isn't and uh and i just say to people like don't take it from me just

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just watch the movie and draw your own conclusions like to me because you have all these allegations

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at the highest levels age of disclosure just came out with uh with dan farah and lou elizondo and

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stuff like that and i get it it's guys in suits part of the it's good it's well done it's very good

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but beautifully polished and it's high level and the statements made at the highest levels are let's

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say they're compelling man like wow why would these guys say all this stuff why would clapper say that

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why would you know marco rubio and and and and gillibrand and and root and um what's that senator

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rounds and i mean they're dude you know it's pretty incredible right but you don't have you don't have

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that case right because it's like you've got allegations of crash retrieval and all the

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implications and technology yada yada yada now you have a case and this case didn't happen in the

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united states this happened in brazil right now it involved the us and we didn't learn that till late

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into the game i didn't i never suspected i was going to find out the americans flew in and grabbed

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everything and in fact at one point i remember this reporter asking me and i didn't know hey why is

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it the americans can just fly in and grab whatever they want i have no idea and they asked to some

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intelligence folks completely like involved with the legacy crash retrieval program and they responded

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to this individual and they said because we can yeah yeah because we can yeah they have their ways

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they have their ways of making happen in south american countries look what just happened to venezuela

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right exactly right yeah they can do a snatch and grab anywhere they want yeah because they can

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and it's so funny too because honestly with our foyer requests i kind of thought they were going to yield

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some results i mean why not it's just a flight log right nothing to see here right just a flight log

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yeah so explain explain the background of this for your request for folks who aren't familiar okay so

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um i got contacted i don't know a couple of months after the first version of moment of contact came

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out and i knew it was going to be an ongoing investigation like you put a film out and more

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people come forward and you know yeah things people start to retire they get they get that

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twilight years in their life i don't want to take this to the grave my grandchildren should know about

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this anyway this uh this guy reached out to me and he was like um excuse me i could wipe my nose here

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he's guy reached out to me and um and he was super duper like knowledgeable on air traffic and

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flight logs and locations and tail numbers and finally one day after we were going back and forth

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anonymously for a couple of months i was like excuse me who are you he goes i actually am an air force

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colonel i'm retired blah blah blah he goes but i'm telling you right now if we can get those tail

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numbers because we had a photograph but the tail numbers were kind of blurred oh really yeah we had

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a photograph i put it out there a while ago i didn't don't think i made it into either cut of

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the film because we were we were doing background on it but anyway he made the suggestion he goes put

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a foyer request out so there was an individual that was i was getting in contact with a lot of people

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hey how can i help i really want to help with this case i said hey we need to organize a foyer request

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so we filed a foyer in 2022 and we said we want all the flight logs of united states air force

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planes because we got word from the i don't know you call the flight control officer someone who

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monitors incoming flights into the state of brazil in a particular region and anything any flight that

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comes into brazil that wants to land has to have authorization from the brazilian government there has

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to be that and this plane came in according to the flight control officer that was on duty that night

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and he happened to come clean on the last yeah that thank you that that yes thank you oh good

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job steve that's the plane and we're trying to blow that up bigger so we were trying to get the tail

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numbers we were trying to get you know match the area to see if that was campinas in 1996 like we're

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trying to do all this research the person whose finger it is is a brazilian person and we've been

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contacted anonymously but i i can we couldn't reach him sometimes people would say they have more

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information and you think okay you're on to something i don't know if they get cold feet

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if they were lying whatever but anyway so we filed this foyer request in 2022 and we just had we wanted

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the flight logs and i figured well let me give it a wide window so i think i went i think i went from

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like february 10th zoom out a little i'm sorry january 10th 1996 to january 28th 1996 and it took three

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years to get a response but the response came from the cia it's in the movie yeah the response came

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from the cia basically saying how many years later three yeah which is a red flag right when you send

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it to one agency and this in the cia responds three years later i thought so and they were like your

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your request is denied you know 1949 national security act blah blah blah and therefore your

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request is denied we can neither confirm nor deny those records and then you know according to the

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1949 you know national security act whatever you're there therefore your request is denied it's in the

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movie that's crazy i don't know man it just seems so crazy so on a black hawk helicopter well i heard

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that that's what oh so when we interviewed the former chief of police and by the way getting to him was

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was a story and he just died oh no yeah he just died he just died but he was old pedro was pedro

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he apparently well we went after now we went after him because of a photograph

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but we didn't know that he too was a first-hand witness we were going after him for years and he was

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like a bar so in the bathtub because you know people are conflicted about coming forward they

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know the implications they know the risks you know even in the community forget about the risk within

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the military and all that stuff even with the community oh you're the ufo guy or you're the one

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that sees aliens you know nobody wants that in their life it's not a career enhancing move but we've

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been going after him for a while we thought we're going to get him in the first cut of moment of contact

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and um again bar so in the bathtub and then ultimately and he was like okay we'll come to my house

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oh no don't come to my house and we had his address we'd go to his house there wasn't anybody there

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we kept doing this for year after year after year and then finally last year i think it was january of

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last year we were going to his house pedro agui aguiar aguiar and i talked to him via zoom calls in

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the past years ago he uh and he did not deny having that photograph at the time um we were going to his

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house and i think it was like maybe five o'clock in the evening and we were on our way to go to

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virginia and i had my whole crew with me and uh um somehow somebody was needed to go to the bathroom

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on our team could have been me i don't know and we stopped at this little pizzeria and uh the the

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individual that ran it spoke a little english and he was like you know we were clearly foreigners

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coming in with all this gear and stuff and he's like oh sit down and i'll make you pizzas and we make uh

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i'm not even supposed to be on the owner i just happen to be working tonight and and he insisted

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and everyone's like we got to go we got to go meet pedro and pedro doesn't like we're just going to

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doorstep him right we're just going to show up and uh and i was like you know what let's sit down let's

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have a pizza with this guy so we all so he makes us his fresh pizza and we take a completely unannounced

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like one hour one and a half hour pause at this restaurant and just had a lovely dinner we had a glass

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of wine we hung out with the owner it was beautiful it was really fun but it put us in later than we

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would then we would have then we should have been but it just happened that way so then we drive

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probably 7 30 7 45 something like this i'm going to guess and we show up at sol and film we show up at

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pedro's house the former chief chief of police seven hours no sorry just a where it was i mean i

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want to say seven o'clock okay okay we were in the area when we stopped for pizza okay i see we

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weren't even going to stop for pizza i think it was like a bathroom break something anyway we ended up

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having pizza it was like a 90 minute stop we show up at his house he had just arrived 10 minutes earlier

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so had we come earlier we would have missed him all together absolutely perfect yeah so

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marco goes first right he's very disarming and he's brazilian and marco starts talking to him a

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little bit and and the chief of police his son was there i think his son is like 11 or 12 years old

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and chopping it up with him a little bit and i'm off in the distance i'm looking over like oh my god

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he's here yes you know so then i eventually kind of called her i was like oh well you know why don't

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you come in you know come on in and invites us in and i think one of us had a mic on us just so we

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could pick up the audio um and then the audio guy was in the car monitoring and then i and then my dp

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dave west was like oh i want to come in i was like hold off let's just let's let's just feel

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things out a little bit here so we start talking and talking to him and we're just like you know

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just getting to know him a little bit he knew me because i'd done a zoom call with him a couple years

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earlier and we'd also talked to him over the phone in 2021 when we were shooting the first version of

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moment of contact and uh um i think i would eventually just said hey uh would you mind if we

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brought a camera in just to kind of you know just a little you know capture you know okay yeah sure

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okay just eased it in here comes the dave come on dave like and um start filming a little bit now his

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wife was like he eventually went from the table over to the couch and his son was sitting at this

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little table to the right if you're looking at the couch it was to the right and his wife was sitting

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at the table with his with his son and his wife had eyeballs i've never seen her eyeballs i remember

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seeing like there were two eyeballs that i looked into never before in life one was one was eric lopes

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who allegedly drove the alien and hers and she was looking at her husband she was sitting here looking

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that way she's looking at her husband like i thought her eyeballs were going to come out of her head and

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i kept looking at dave i'm like get her eyeballs get her eyeballs like phil i don't know what she was

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telling him like you shut your mouth or are you going to reveal all or do we have this photograph

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i don't know i don't know but she's looking at him and we just kept talking you know and then he

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starts giving an interview and then he's like i participated and then he's like yeah it just starts

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coming out it's coming out dude and we ask him on camera like why are you coming out now he goes

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because i trust you you're doing this investigation like my film had already come out previously

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everyone in that town's heard everyone's everyone in the town's heard of the film or me

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and and he starts talking and then he's like yeah i saw the creature it had a blanket over it but i went

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into as a military base and everything that he said that he saw it as a military base is exactly lined up

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perfectly with every other tidbit of testimony that we've ever heard wow all the activity the

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helicopters and then he's like campinas and then the americans came like the chief of police told us

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that he goes i got to the military base he goes i never seen so much brass in my life

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and he brass was like high level right military officials helicopters coming and going he's like

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yeah man landing who is it clinton was the president then clinton was the president back then yeah i know

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god no it's like i mean he probably was kept out of the loop i'm guessing i don't know you know

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speaking of clinton when i was investigating the phoenix lights case it happened in march 13th 1997.

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like the 90s were pretty radical man we had some crazy shit go down rua oh yeah we had ruin 94 then

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we had virginia in 96 we had we had the massive flyover phoenix lights in 97 march wasn't there

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also a lot of like abduction uh claims in the 90s you know abductions are things that i've always kept

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at arm's length i'm not sure i wouldn't be surprised if that was the case well i mean like whether you

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believe or not oh yeah no i'm not saying i do right yeah yeah yeah yeah well well for sure like john

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mack was going strong yeah um but hopkins was going strong you know you had the very very early

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90s i think it was 89 90 91 you had you had all the belgian stuff that was going on those big platform

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size of a football field yeah um that was all happening but in any case i was investigating the

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take a little detour for a second i was investigating the bejiza out of the phoenix lights

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case i was going back and forth for 10 years i got the governor come forward and um evidently okay

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so i was at a i was at a barbecue and i was like you know five signs i hate to give away my little

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no that was okay this would be four or five okay okay and i'm at this i i i'm hanging out at this

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at this party i got invited to and it was a barbecue and this girl knew what i was doing

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investigating the case and she looks at me and she goes see that guy over there and i was like yeah and i

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saw him by the barbecue she goes he was he was she was at he was at luke air force base that night

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and you might want to talk to him and looked at me and i was like so i was like duty duty duty

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walked over to him started asking him questions and he was just like zip like not saying a word

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really no she just looked at me like you just like go away so anyway so i stayed at the party

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and this will be relevant in a second with with clinton because something weird went on with him

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that night uh it was march 13th 1997 and remember everyone was out under the night sky to get a

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glimpse of the hell bomb comet right and uh i see him drinking beers he's drinking beers and that's a

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good sign right he's got like barbecue or he's drinking beers i'm just i'm watching him drink beers

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yeah a couple hours later keep pounding him buddy keep pounding him buddy i'm on my way you know a couple

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hours later i walk i walk over to him and i start talking he goes he goes i was at i was at luke air

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force base that night and i was like oh my god what did you see he goes well let's put it this way

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it it's a certain uh defcom and i i'm sorry to your audience that's way more well versed than this

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he went to he said we went to full defcom two i think it was it was one or two it was when you have

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a full-blown invasion like when you have they scrambled all their jets you've got an unidentified

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right it has to be look it has to be treated as hostile because it doesn't it's not identifying

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itself and it's this massive and it was like they scrambled military jets to go after and we went to

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a certain i didn't know what defcom meant right but he was like we went to defcom oh here we go defcom 2

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that defcon 2 is fast-paced armed forces six hours or less to deploy and engage near nuclear war

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yeah defcon 1 means nuclear war is imminent so it's one step below okay so it's defcom 2 i'm

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pretty damn sure he said defcom 2 thank you i really appreciate the first time i looked at that

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but i didn't know what the hell he was talking about so um and then coincidentally i think i might

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have talked about it on the podcast i don't know and nothing nothing included in my film out of the

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blue and i did another film about it uh i know what i saw which covered that case and the governor

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and the governor even admitted that they they scrambled jets oh i heard that that the pilot

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i think he was flying an f-16 at luke air force base maybe there was two that went after it that

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it was so big that they could have landed on it yes and that the pilot had to be lifted out of the

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cockpit so what i heard after the i guess he scrambled it to go get it and it took off like warp speed like

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something out of star wars so and the governor five simonton also told me they took a run at it

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that they scrambled jets and took a run at it and the pentagon air force base all told them they have

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no idea what that object was what does that mean they could run at it they they scrambled jets try to

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intercept it oh i see but so then i found out that's that that clinton was i don't know if he was

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playing golf or he was doing something you can look it up that he suddenly got grabbed on an island

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somewhere he got plucked off whatever the hell he was doing that night on on the 13th of march 1997

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and i guess if you go to defcom 2 the president would have to be notified you'd have to look it up

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but right that's just a weird little thing you know you had 96 in virginia evidently involving the

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americans did clinton find out don't know but if we did go to defcom 2 and that guy was telling me the

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truth at luke air force base then we went to defcom 2 and clinton i guess the president of the united

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states would have to be notified look it up google it so this is the same night as the phoenix lights

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yeah yeah yeah it was it was march 13th 1997 most so if i if i recall correctly virginia was 96. if i

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recall correctly the night of the phoenix lights they people recalled seeing these like uh boomerang

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shaped yeah lights right like these boomerang shaped objects with lights underneath them i interviewed

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a guy named mike fortsen and he used to he was a great witness he's in my film out of the blue which

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you can watch for free online but he's like now i called the phoenix lights well i'm sick and tired

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of the phoenix so why they call it the phoenix lights i said what mike what's what why are you so

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hostile what what's going on he goes it wasn't lights dude it was a massive craft i saw it with my own

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eyes i watched it with my wife for minutes like so it was one well there were a bunch of different

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sightings that night it was okay there were balls there were there were boomerang shape but the one

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boomerang shape one that caught my attention the most that all the witnesses that i talked to that

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saw this craft including the governor of five simonton said it was so big it had to be from another

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world and i said well how do you how do you know this is the one they said he could land his jet on

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yes and that was a that was a boomerang shape it was a like a yeah like a big massive boomerang okay

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and um it was like like like like this and moving very slowly i interviewed a whole family stacy rhodes

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her daughter emily mike fortzen his wife and then a whole family of three people and their name escapes

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me right now but in any case they were like lying on their back you know 7 30 6 30 7 30 at p.m and they go

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dude it looked like a floating city i was lying on my back on the front lawn and i could see compartments

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in metal and really swear to god man yeah go watch i know what i saw right out of the blue

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and they said they could see he goes i thought it was going to land at the sky harbor airport like

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it was so low and so slow it was just i interviewed these hospice workers i think there was five of them

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uh i'm trying to remember the mountain range right near where they lived but in any case oh they were on

[0:52:02 - 0:52:06] ▶

the mountain so they were really close they're right at the base because it flew right over this

[0:52:06 - 0:52:10] ▶

particular mountain oh it'll come to me but anyway i interviewed all these hospice workers and this is

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funny actually because they all saw they were out having tea and i don't know what time it was maybe

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it was seven o'clock 7 30 whatever late in the afternoon early evening and uh and um they said

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they were like well had we not looked up we wouldn't have even known it was there i mean

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it just was so silently right over our heads and we watched it for several minutes we stopped our

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jaws on the ground like and they just floated right over and we were all just like

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and then it passes overhead and they go right back to having tea and i went uh excuse me you didn't like

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go grab a camera call 911 jump in your car chase after it they're like nope and i thought to myself

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it's almost like ontological shock like certain people have certain experiences where they just go

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that can't that did they can't even process it right because who in their right mind would have

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see something like that and not go crazy right right and one of the one of the women the family

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members i interviewed all the kids there were three kids and the wife and the husband was on the phone

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and she was screaming at him like get off the phone get out here and he wouldn't he was i'm on the

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phone no get out of here so the whole family except for the husband all sat there for several

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minutes watching this thing float right over them and these hospice workers like they just said we went

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that's wild but but but but i think about it this way you got david grush and you could believe him

[0:55:22 - 0:55:28] ▶

or you don't believe him that's fine right he delivered at times the daily briefing to the

[0:55:28 - 0:55:33] ▶

president of the united states high level intelligence officer again you can believe

[0:55:33 - 0:55:37] ▶

him you could think he's crazy it's all fine all the smartest people i know on this topic they all say

[0:55:37 - 0:55:43] ▶

he's super legit yeah so all right and some people just say that okay whatever it doesn't matter but

[0:55:43 - 0:55:48] ▶

he made some extraordinary allegations under oath to a bipartisan group of lawmakers okay

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don't you think the media should pick that ball up and run with it i mean what happens right what

[0:55:55 - 0:56:01] ▶

happens when somebody makes allegations of sexual palcadillos with a president dude it's all hands on

[0:56:01 - 0:56:07] ▶

deck look at what happened with trump look what happened with clinton i mean my god i that

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investigate i would live through that that investigation went on for like years the whole

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media they must have put millions of dollars the price all that stuff over allegations of inappropriate

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you know sexual whatever okay my point is at least do some deep digging or perhaps we lobby together

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to provide a platform for the likes of david grush and others and you don't have to believe lou and

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you don't have to believe hal and you don't have to believe eric davis and you don't have to believe

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grush but what about this what about we lobby the executive branch and provide some level of immunity so

[0:56:45 - 0:56:52] ▶

they can testify under oath not in a skiff because everyone's frustrated everyone's had it with the skiffs

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right it's the people how about we create a platform that enables them to give the specific details

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to the public to the world right that's what we should be focused on hey let's call their bluff

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i think you're full of fair enough all right what do we got to do mr president you want

[0:57:10 - 0:57:15] ▶

transparency in government you want transparent uap dude it's the most popular thing out there

[0:57:15 - 0:57:20] ▶

everyone would love to know that it's real right and of course i happen to just so happen to

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believe david grush or his claims because i'm out there in the field learning about this stuff

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right right that's one of the things that i wanted to kind of cover was it he stripped of his retirement

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oh yeah he had to yeah he had to hit yeah he's yeah yeah yeah right i don't know what was a year

[0:57:35 - 0:57:41] ▶

before or months probably just making up you know yeah but my point is losing his entire retirement my

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point is is that let's not believe them right let's chase it down why not the the implications are

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so profound why wouldn't we follow that up why wouldn't we dedicate some resources to those

[0:57:53 - 0:57:59] ▶

allegations why wouldn't we find the old icig thomas monheim here's my thing pin him up against

[0:57:59 - 0:58:04] ▶

the wall how about subpoena him he's got all the details right here here's what i'm saying like yeah

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so so your interview with eric davis in your movie in your new movie yes you're sitting there talking to

[0:58:10 - 0:58:15] ▶

him and he's like i've seen all this stuff i've been in the skiffs i've seen all the classified stuff but i

[0:58:15 - 0:58:19] ▶

can't tell you because i swore no at the level of law but he said i swear on my daughter's beating

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heart or something like that he said he's wearing his children's lives so that this stuff is real

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and then he said mr president if you wave the magic wand and give me immunity i'll and i'm subpoenaed

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i'll testify under oath to a bipartisan group of lawmakers and i'll give all those details so here's

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the crazy hypothetical so we should do that here's a crazy hypothetical yeah james i saw saucers in

[0:58:38 - 0:58:45] ▶

hangers and we have uh 18 captured alien bodies that uh are in our custody in florida new mexico

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ohio wherever and he just now what now they're going to come arrest him and send him to prison

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so imagine that imagine he says that on your documentary and the next day they throw him in

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prison what is that going to say to the public right if you're if you're the president or you're the

[0:59:07 - 0:59:13] ▶

doj or the cia and that comes out on a on on a dvd or not on a dvd but on you know on amazon the next

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day person who does is going to have balls of steel like of course it's it's risky but like imagine

[0:59:19 - 0:59:27] ▶

imagine you're on put the shoe on the other foot yeah imagine you're the you're the government or

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whoever you're you're the gatekeeper you're the gatekeeper is it is it a great idea to throw eric

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davis in prison or or whack him i don't think so well at the very least he'd be stripped of all

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of his clearances and be out of a job at the very least is he still employed yeah he's got high level

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clearances to this day he still works for them uh he works for i don't know if i can reveal who he

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works for oh okay he has high level clearances to this day he'd be he'd be out of a job at the very

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least right okay but i've also heard that they can they can because it's a national security issue

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they can pluck you up without due process and put you right behind bars i've heard that right right

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but i mean it would certainly validate what he's saying did that like absolutely i i agree yeah i

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agree but wouldn't it be better to do it the more legit route and also i don't know i think i don't

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know but hold on because you know some of these guys are patriots and they were like there are certain

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justifications for secrecy that i agree with like let's just imagine whether you believe it or you don't

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believe it okay let's just say that we did have recovered craft of non-human origin right and we've

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been collecting that since the 40s perhaps even earlier so whatever's flying around in our airspace

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those well-documented uap and ufo reports dating back forever those things exhibit a technology that

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fly rings around any we've got our leading military jets these things fly make a mockery out of them and

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talk to dave fravor or talk to to william coleman who was former united states air force world war ii

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pilot he saw a flying saucer back in 1955 talk to all these is all parallel the technology exhibited is

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light years than anything we got let's just say that's real and let's say we we recovered that

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technology now i'm not saying we've successfully reverse engineered it i have no idea okay but if they

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have it and if they are trying to reverse engineer it i don't know about you but i damn straight

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wouldn't want russia or china to get their hands on that technology and reverse engineer it because sure

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they put a bomb on it and it's game over for us right so i could see that i don't agree with it

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but i could see that being a legit reason for national security on the technology maybe it's the

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admission that we have it and we share the bodies the biologics do you see what i'm saying totally

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because that shouldn't be a national security issue that that i feel every man woman and child

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should be entitled to on the planet because remember disclosure doesn't just have implications for the

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united states citizens this would reverberate around the world because the implications are global

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yeah and profound yes right and so and you know what quite honestly like you know people often ask me

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why i do what i do and i usually ask them like hey if this were true and if this happened and if the

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government had definitive proof that we're not alone would you like to know right and everyone goes

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damn straight i would i should be entitled to know yeah they're doing it with our taxpayer dollars

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like come on man give us a bone and when i was in i i got invited to arrow did you know that no oh my

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god it was like so crazy so i can't go to the reason why i ended up in the arrow excuse me for

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wipe my nose but i can't tell you exactly that because they asked me not to but i was going in

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to look at a specific case that i'm familiar with i reported on it a bunch of times and they had some

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evidence they wanted to show me and i had to get like uh i had to get like 48 hour background screening

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and i got major going through like and i had to get approval this little password to have a photo

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how recent was this last about a year ago a little over a year ago yeah so after kirkpatrick yeah it

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was in december of i think it was december of 2024 so it was a little over a year ago because it was

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december and uh and i i and i i go into uh well they had to do they had to do its background check

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then i had to show up and it was escort required then i got this little badge then i i i i walked through

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and i happened to be flying home after that because i was going from my hotel then i went to

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the pentagon just just next to the pentagon and um and i met somebody in a parking lot they walked me

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through the parking lot they took me in all these doors and then i had to go through security they

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combed through everything and i had everything on me because i was traveling because going i was going

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back home afterwards so i had to go through all my bag and all my affairs finally get my stuff and then i

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walked through this it was like star trek it was like a glass tube i'd say about that i want to say

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about maybe that big around maybe seven or eight feet tall or maybe it went up higher and one and

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opened like open like that you step inside only one person at a time and then that closes and then

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the other one opens i don't know what they did and i don't know what i got scanned i don't know what

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happened then i walked in there and then i had to go to a locker with us with an escort guy in a suit

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just like you'd expect like a man in black kind of guy right very cordial go to a locker and i had to

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get rid all my electronics everything i had to take everything off and put my phone everything inside

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there and then we go up to this big door just like a bank vault kind of thing opens up the entire

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office complex was a skiff the whole thing was and they take me inside there and i'm thinking this

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is so strange man can't even believe i'm in here and i'm thinking to myself god is this a good idea

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like what you know i don't know i just felt a little spooky but i was like other people you know i'm

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gonna treat them like people and um we go down this hallway all these cubicles and stuff go down the

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hallway and there was a door to my right that was closed and the door to my left that was open

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and he's like wait here i'll be right back he goes off and i have his name but i'm not gonna

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even do he was air force officers special investigations osi and uh i look inside the

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door and not that far away i don't know six seven feet with a little table and there were a bunch of

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people i think a couple girls couple guys having a conversation all nicely dressed and i couldn't help

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myself and what else am i doing i'm just sitting there and the brain has this uncanny ability to like

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almost like turn a little you know what i mean like like yeah and i just start eavesdropping on

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their conversation i was like just kind of curious are these guys part of arrow too like what's you

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know and i'm like fully tuning into their conversation and then one of them looks over at me gets up

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grabs the door close it my face i was like i kind of looked like sorry what am i supposed to do here

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so anyway so then this individual comes back opens up the door gets in there and there's a

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a computer right there it was a computer and i i wish i could remember the name of the of the

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access point but it was intel folks it told me where the high-res photos and videos were it was

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that computer damn it it's in it's in the program i'm sorry i can't oh there's like a special computer

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that has access to all the top secret shit yes and i was told by intel folks that had been on by

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multiple intel folks and it was that it was right there and i was looking at he i was like oh what's

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that you know he goes oh that's the skipscom or whatever the hell it's called i'm sorry i can't

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remember i'm sorry and um start like showing me some footage and stuff and i was like what if he

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said james i'll let you have this computer alone in here for one hour yeah but on one condition you

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have to stop all of your investigations and all your documentaries moving forward i wouldn't do it you

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wouldn't do it no i wouldn't do it you're a good man not for all the good not for all the money in

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the world yeah but uh so then the other uh uh john kosklauski the new head of arrow he comes in

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i gotta be honest with you i was a little nervous you know but then i was like i'm a public figure in

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some respects like not like i'm hiding what i'm doing so i was like guys like you know you gotta throw

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us a bone here because the public's frustrated and you're not putting the genie back in the bottle

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like and i started rattling off cases and one of them was like you know james it's kind of funny uh

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your documentary the phenomenon is mandatory viewing for anyone who's going to work for arrow no way i was

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like that's my that's pretty damn cool right awesome and then uh then i started talking about rua

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socorro closing counts of the third kind because it's one thing just talk about unknown objects you know in

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the air like the tic tac or whatever but when you start talking about beans on the ground right

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it's a different story man it's a whole nother level that's one of the things that doesn't get

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addressed often enough right and i tell people all the time because it's like you know you got close

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accounts the first second and third kind and that was not something that just came from the public

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that came internally from the scientific advisor that was working with the air force they were

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documented close and counts of the third kind in the 50s right and they were putting it off as like

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psychological i think they were writing off psychological the person's batshit crazy don't

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look into psychological and that changed with socorro in 64. but uh then i said like people

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aren't going away we're having these hearings like you know you guys are going to come to the

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determination if you haven't already that some of these represent a non-human intelligence like what's

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going on are you and john looks at me john kosklowski the new head of arrow and he goes he goes james um

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um i can't part my own hair without approval from the dod and you can quote me on that he was

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basically telling me dude my hands are tied i doesn't matter what i determine it doesn't matter

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what i uncover you know and i've had other members that i kept to remain nameless that it's so weird

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because i'm meeting with these people now kind of not surprising and people think i'm crazy like

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you know look like well i get cues like oh james is a spook he's working i'm like oh my god come

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on man i've been doing this since i was in my 20s everyone's everyone's a spook dude i'm not a spook

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like come on i share everything publicly that i possibly can yeah and the only reason why i don't

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share other things because if i violated the trust with some of the people that i've met with and the

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shit that i've heard dude okay like you know i've heard some stuff right yeah if i said i even asked

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one time can i say i heard it anonymously they'll know exactly what it came from so the stuff that

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i've heard yeah and and uh well i can can i can i transition into one more thing yes okay so i'm

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talking to another insider and like why not why can't i have a seat at the table right like what is

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it going to hurt i'm not going to stop doing what i'm doing right i'm not going to like i'm never

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going to just not reveal what i possibly can the maximum amount i can possibly reveal to the general

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public i will always do that and i'll be straight with you guys and i don't get it right sometimes

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i get criticized about jason sands do you have any i forgot about that you have any idea the level of

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background check i did on him i got his full military records i contacted his ex-wife and had to pay her

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to go up in the attic and dig through 30 different boxes to get all his photographs from when he was

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in the military this is the guy who claims he saw the blue alien and then they went down they were

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told to like fight him or something whatever i don't know some crazy sideways i remember they

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were on rogan him and the other dude yeah so so let me just tell you i did everything i could

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i accidentally exposed him it was stupid my mistake i did it but so initially i just he wasn't even

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going to be in the movie i did like i met him with people that i trust but hey man we're all fallible

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we're humans and we're dealing with some pretty crazy these days yeah and they're like i i know this

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was his records check out i met with people on the inside that had been with a skiff with him i can't

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reveal their names they're like look man i know he might i know he has ptsd and i know this but he's

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named specific special access programs dealing with the legacy uap you know crash retrieval stuff

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sans guy was yes he was like knew the names i got in trouble just for asking about those names he knew

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this locations he's who he says he is however he's got ptsd i don't know what's happened to his mind

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there's some stuff embedded i even talked to some people about it that was there are specific memories

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that were implanted in him i don't know man i i don't know what i do know is i have the names of

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the other witnesses out there i did due diligence on his background check i contacted his ex-wife and

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i paid because she wasn't responding i said i'll pay you to go up there and dig through those boxes

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hourly and i said you come up with you know i need his photographs i need fun i need photographs him

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out there and i got them all and i put them in the movie and i did his military right and at one

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point which movie was this in the program this was in the program okay okay watch it free online

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on youtube movies so um and moment of contact new revelations of alien encounters i will also make

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that available for free on youtube movies once i pay back all my investors um i will i've got my word

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on that but for now it's on amazon linked below yes find it yeah so uh what was i getting at and look

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you know and then he starts coming out with some crazier stuff and i wasn't there i don't have the

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clearances sounds crazy to me and i told him i was like just so you know i wasn't there i didn't

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live your career i didn't serve the country like you did right but what you're saying is discrediting

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a lot of people right now including yourself even if it's true if i were you i would keep it to myself

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and let me tell you why do i believe in some abductions yeah i do do you hear me out there talking

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about it publicly never yeah just about never and you know why that's a that's a slippery slope well

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yeah it's a there's a i'm i imagine censoring myself because i know how that you don't want to

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poison the well if i told you like what i really believed where i'm the direction that i'm leaning

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in in terms of the phenomenon people would bring into question my credibility because i understand

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on the outside looking in someone like myself i'm just joe public man i'm just i'm just a civilian

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i'm just a curious dude with a camera yeah i just happen to have gotten into places somehow i don't

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know how the hell it worked out i worked my ass off i don't always get it right i try to get it right

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i would never deliberately report on something i didn't think was true you know but like hey if you

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want to badger me over some mistakes that i've made in my 30 plus years i think i brought a lot more

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positive stuff to the table than i have anything else i'm not perfect and i will own if i if i

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feel like i screwed up but what can i say man what more can you do than that this is not an easy

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field that's all you can do that is all you can do and be honest open and honest about it which you

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clearly are so so i even talked to skeptic magazine michael shirmer the other day what yeah i went on his

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show and he's like you're one of the only people from the i'm like dude i'll have a dialogue with you

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let's talk man i'll chop it up with you yeah sure that's amazing man you know i mean why not and it's

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like i'll meet with skeptics i'll meet with you know there's so much mudslinging going on in this

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field if i listen to anybody i wouldn't talk to anyone i wouldn't meet with anyone i wouldn't talk

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with anybody i feel like i need to stay in my lane i'm going to be kind to everybody because i believe in

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being kind even if you disagree you should be even kinder okay people can disagree and that's fine

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you can disagree politically that's fine i'm really good friends with people on both sides of the fence we

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don't care they know well like how i might feel or how they feel we're friends right that's the way

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it should be yeah it should be the same in this in this field like hey man you think uh it's alien

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babies floating in alpha centauri what cool dude all right great yeah you know we never went to the moon

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okay yeah right you know i'm just saying like we're cool right you know right right i'm good with it

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i just try to stay in my own lane i put out what i feel is the best information i can people go

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you know we should we get aliens i don't know what crashed in virginia brazil in 1996 i'd love to know

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you know these beans that now i have five people first-hand witnesses five of them

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all haven't seen the bean actually six the former chief of police saw it too under a tarp and oh really

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yeah he just confessed that too and um i have him on camera he just died but um

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i was like one that said he thought it was like a burned man yeah and you'd mentioned spielberg

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earlier no no that was that was military x excuse me this stuff gives me oh that was military okay

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oh yeah this is really good it's delicious yeah it's really good white rabbit baby

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i mean so um getting back to what i was saying yeah right um it's okay to say i don't know where

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these come from it's okay to say i don't know what the hell is going on it's okay to say that

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that clearly sensory data firsthand eyewitness testimony photographic evidence has been come

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forward and there's clearly a phenomenon happening globally it's under intelligent control and it's

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okay to say we don't know where it's from i think it's okay because i don't know i'd like to know oh

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that's what i was going to tell you sorry got sidetracked so i was at i was at the um the uh

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screening the the premiere the world premiere well i guess it wasn't the world premiere because that

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was in texas but it was one of the premieres in uh on an aircraft carrier oh yes for the age of

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disclosure he invited me to that and i couldn't i couldn't make it because i had obligations with my

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kids but i sounded sounds mate yeah yeah so i was there for that and there was an individual

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which i probably shouldn't mention his name you'll probably figure it out probably shouldn't but we

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were you know we we we we talked briefly at the beginning of the screening and then there was a

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q a afterwards which i attended and it was great and it's an accomplishment man look i i'd love to

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say that i've got how many was it 34 high level military and government intelligent officials that's

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that's an accomplishment man period like and to listen to what they say i mean most of what they

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said aligns with my field research but anyway afterwards there was a little cocktail party and they had

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little like finger food whatever and i always hang out for those because you never know what you're

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going to get and uh i see leslie leslie keen across the way and there were like guys from the cia

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these guys are from the agency and and uh oh little side story so we're like the premiere yeah yeah

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yeah so we're like at the premiere and and leslie's hanging out with these dudes in suits and i

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same kind of suits that it looked like part of the uap task force so when i went into the skiff with

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that's what they look like you know those perfect suits just perfect short haircut you know the type

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yeah exactly what you'd expect yeah so i'm looking at these guys and i look at her she's like hey this

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is these guys are from the agency and i was like oh cool really nice to meet you guys and we're like

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talking i was like yeah i'm gonna be cool i'm gonna be nice to everybody like yeah we you know what

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i'm doing so we start talking and then i go yeah man because i i did this film about this alleged ufo

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crash in front of jane to brazil and the guy goes oh no oh we we know all about it we've been following

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you for we knew your browser history from this morning brother for years i was just like i got

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a little spooked a little weirded out but then i was like whatever because i'm doing what i'm doing

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is public why wouldn't they be curious so anyway so i did that then i left and i went to get a drink

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at the bar which was like i don't know 30 feet away 20 feet 30 feet i'm at the bar and i see this

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individual from the dia that i've always wanted to talk to and i had met with this individual before

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but very guarded and i saw that this individual had a what does dia stand for again defense

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intelligence agency okay yeah and uh uh not a bit dod as well but anyway um i saw that this individual

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had a cocktail and it looked like a whiskey on the rocks and so i ordered a whiskey neat

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and uh we start chopping it up excuse me and um i said uh i said you know i've heard that there are

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not that many people on this planet that have the big picture or the bigger picture because i'm dying to

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know i'm just curious even if i can't share it with the world i still want to know yeah and uh this

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individual is like yeah probably 10 probably 10 people that have the bigger picture it's like 10

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people on the planet really and um i said well this person would know as far as i'm concerned yes okay

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and i mean i was all ears so i said uh huh well like what category would you consider yourself

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uh probably one of 30. so so you have a bigger picture i mean not quite as big as the 10 but you

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call yourself in the category of one of 30. mm-hmm yeah and i was like huh well what would you think of

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like someone like hal putoff probably one of 50 i would say yeah probably one of 50. i was like huh

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well i heard that um i don't know i i've kind of heard that the bigger picture is a little scary

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this individual is like yeah yeah i could see that so i was like am i gonna find out like what

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you know and i was like well scary like i have something to worry about like a fearful no no no

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no no you'll you'll you'll you'll be fine we'll be fine so i was like well and it was like a crowbar

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trying to you know what i mean but i wanted to be tactful i didn't want to just be like you know

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you know so the conversation a little more and pry a little further i said uh well like um like

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how how how is it scary the individual goes intent their intent and i was like oh their intent like

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what the hell is their intent they know what their intent is like origins and intent that's the gold i

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mean that's the holy grail as far as i'm concerned i don't know so i said and then just as i was going

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to pry a little further thinking like and i could see leslie leslie was looking at me from 30 feet

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away over where we were talking to you staring at you staring at me she was like like she knew

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she goes i know that look on your face because i've been working with you for over 30 years and i

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know that look and she's like you were getting something juicy and she goes i didn't want to come over

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to interrupt but she was she i looked at her for like that we communicated telepathically like bam

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she knew exactly what i was after and uh someone butts in the conversation hey i've been really

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wanting to meet you i get a picture kind of a cocktail situation you know and i was just like oh

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and that was it was over that was it as far as i got yeah so when you asked him that you heard there

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was some something scary yeah because i've heard what have you heard i've heard that it's a little scary

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like how so i don't know i don't know that's the part i thought i was gonna know and i didn't get

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to know the intent the individual said intent the their intent or intent definitely the word intent

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right because it's like origins and intent right we want another origins and intent their origins could

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be here i mean it could be just like that's what i think now could be that's what that's what i

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overwhelmingly could be right i mean if i was if i was in vegas and i was i was you know throwing

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it on the blackjack table i would bet that it was they were from here they're they're there because

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and this is what i learned from mike masters when he was he's the anthropologist who has the extra

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tempestrial model book about like time travelers he was making the case which i thought was very

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compelling is that on other all the other goldilocks planets that we know of yeah the the pressure is

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different the there a lot of them are just purely water worlds there's barely any land on most of them

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um different conditions different gravity and he was making the case that if intelligent life

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evolved on another another goldilocks planet there's no shot it would look like us bipedal upright hominids

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because we are one of two million catalog species on earth us right there's 20 different species of

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apes of hominids 20 different hominids out of the 20 we are the only one that has figured out tech

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we're smart enough to figure out technology to get off the planet but we are one of over 2 million species

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on this earth so we us are super rare just on this planet and if you extrapolate that out to other

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planets that are able to inhabit intelligent life he's like sure they could figure out intelligent

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intelligent life could evolve but the chances of them being bipedal hominids with heads on top of

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their brains that sit right on top of their eyes forward-facing eyes two arms two legs is like no shot in

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hell he was making you know that's a really interesting observation and i'm going to go back for a moment to

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jason sands and i i get he's a very controversial character i got that um but he did say something

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to me that i've heard before and that is and it makes you wonder i don't know i just makes you wonder

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he said that the individual and maybe the encounter happened like i remember painting one intel folk down

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i was just like you know we have a little evidence on that we have the ufo that was captured and that

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whole story that came out and his was like a couple days later allegedly but he said that what year did this

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all take place 1994 i think it was okay i'm pretty sure it was 24. it's in the movie the program you

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can again watch it for free on youtube movies but um he said that the individual had or the eyes were

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insane as everybody says and maybe jay sands is lying i i i don't know it's hard to believe look at that

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you said you said i don't know yeah i don't which is so rare these days to hear from people yeah i

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don't know but he did say something about you know the communication with the eyes everybody is like

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you just get lost and the eyes just lock you in and you feel like it's almost they take over your brain

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a little bit or put you in a sort of trance but he said that the outfit that the individual was wearing

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after walking through the desert had to be dirty the boots had to be dirty you don't walk to the

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desert the way this individual was walking through the desert without getting dust on your boots and

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dust on your outfit and his were immaculate so i just thought to myself if true if if he had that

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encounter and if the other people that we have their names if we had that encounter and we got it i

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got as far as contacting the individual indirectly that debriefed all those people after the alleged

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encounter in the convoy yeah i did i got in touch with that individual wouldn't i just was like did it

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happen or it didn't happen i'm not going to verify anything for you on or off the record done like

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it was just like that's it so then i asked the other individual that got me to that individual

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and i was like i don't know what to do like what do i do what you know do you think it out of

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frustration i'm like do you think it happened or not long pause yeah i think it happened and then i but

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then i um was listening to age of disclosure and it got to james clapper yeah it was he dia or

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and i think di i i don't know all i know he was involved in some crazy yeah it's high level

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and he was like admitted that oh there's a lot of uap ufo activity in or around area 51 and i thought

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okay well that certainly leans in the direction to verifying that that there is that type of

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activity happening there close and counts of the third kind and i it's not the first time that i've

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heard about close encounters of the third kind occurring in and around the base i'd heard about

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it from other people that have been james clapper is a weird one i've heard a lot of um yeah i mean

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i don't like to talk about people but i mean he's a government official so yeah yeah um i i've heard

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a lot of folks say a lot of like that he's a really questionable dude and like maybe he might have been

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i could be getting this wrong but he was one of the dudes who helped sell the iraq war to the americans

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can you find jesse michaels just retweeted something i think it was yesterday oh that was uh grush saying

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that he felt that clapper knew about the crash legacy crash retrieval right i saw that too right

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i actually texted jesse i was like jesse what do you think about this he's like pretty wild yeah i

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don't know yeah a lot of people why would he make that up like a lot of people say that just the fact

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that clapper is involved in all this stuff and like he's showing up to the hearings it's like

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when he put something's not right when you had when you add that guy into the puzzle yeah you

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know like there's got to be some deception going on here or some sort of strategy well apparently

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is his i remember dan ferris saying that clapper oh david grush revealed that dick cheney controlled

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the ufo trash crash retrieval and cover-ups like a mob boss when he left in 2009 that was the last time

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that these activities really had central leadership this is what grush is saying okay that's not what i was

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that's crazy by the way but that's not what i was no that's not it this was like yesterday jesse

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retweeted it and wrote like uh shots fired above it yeah yeah keep going yeah i saw that keep going

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i saw that i saw that tweet keep going no this is not it i don't think there you go shots fired that's

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what it is david grush tells megan kelly that james clapper managed the ufo crash retrieval issue while

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serving as director of national intelligence uh when he was the dni the usdi and dia director

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he placed people in critical roles to manage this issue both publicly and i'll say show more

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now let me just say one thing that that i wasn't sure if you guys were aware of but uh dan ferris said

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to me at the screening or after the screening that uh clapper's wife was in the hospital on the verge of

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death and he was like and he wanted the interview obviously he want i mean dan wants the interview who

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wouldn't right and uh and he goes hey listen i i understand mr clapper if if you need to attend

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your wife he goes nope i'm coming i'm going to do this interview so dan said that he really wanted

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to get some things off his chest that's what dan said i don't buy that i i personally i wasn't there

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personally i just don't i mean not i don't i'm not buying what um farah is saying oh right right i i

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don't buy that james clapper is that type of person yeah somebody like him i mean again i don't know

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just from like what i've heard and somebody in his level here's the thing though let's just say let's

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matter yeah yeah my point is this let's say you're a high level person within the da let's talk about

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eric davis and the wilson memo admiral wilson wasn't he part of the he was head of the dia at one point

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all right let's just say that he did get exposure to the to the legacy crash retrieval program i'm not

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saying that he did or he didn't let's just say that he did let's assume that he did now he wants

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to come forward and he wants to talk a little bit about it how does he do it and now he's part of the

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deep state the deep state right so he wants to come forward to get it off his chest some people

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want to do that they're humans yeah they got grandchildren yeah they got kids yeah so they come

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forward and then people like us criticize them because they were part of the deep state right does that mean

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that you could never come forward and tell the truth because you're part of the deep state you're

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never to be trusted you're just hard it's harder to believe those people that's what i'm saying so

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it's like they're stuck yes how do you do it yes so you say hey i'm willing to put my my right hand

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on a bible and i'm willing to undergo a lie detector test yeah i mean that would have some that would

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help or yeah that would help or i swear i swear on my wife's and my children's lives i'm telling you

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the truth i'm the whole truth and nothing but the truth or do you ask to be subpoenaed and you testify

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under oath which has implications now if you testify on a road to a bipartisan group of lawmakers

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publicly publicly and then you say you give specifics this person was the gate caper this

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person was over here that's see that's what i think i the way i think as a documentary filmmaker

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i don't give a shit if you tell me the truth or not but what i do want to do what i do give a

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shit about is i want to get i want to create a platform i want to put your feet to the fire

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and i want you to give me those specifics let's prove let me prove that you're lying

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and let's let's provide a platform that will enable you to give more specific details under oath to the

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world and then tell me who was it where is it where's the craft where's this where's the bodies

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tell me more yeah you know i'm saying because we owe it to ourselves it's like it's so easy to sit on

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the sidelines and go jason sands is full of shit well all it takes is one member of congress with a

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curiosity to go you know i saw that film um the program and i saw jason sands i think that guy's

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full of shit let me do a deep deep dive on him wow his military records check out blah blah guess

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what tap him on the shoulder come into a skiff give me those details holy shit now i know more now i know

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about this other crash special access so maybe just one person gets inspired i'm just i'm just saying like

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because it's so easy for people to call the neurosurgeon a liar the girl's a liar the crash

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retrieval witness a liar like if one person just one person is telling the truth in moment of contact

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new revelations right just one that's the biggest story ever particularly the people that came in

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contact with the creature now we have five maybe six let's see we have chief of police pedro aguriar

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we have military x i know all of his credentials i know his full name who drove it and saw it then we

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have katya then we have liliani her sister valkyria that's five and now we have the neurosurgeon that's

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six and the last time i was in virginia just a couple weeks ago i spoke with a nurse who conformed

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me he's telling the truth i said how do you know he's telling the truth amara witnessed it i witnessed it

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marco witnessed it our translators witnessed it because and she was shaking like this telling the

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truth he's telling the truth i said how do you know because i was there i was like will you go on camera

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i can't no i can't i'm not a high level neurosurgeon i can't i can't do that maybe i will but not now i

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can't but that was that's another one of those things where you know they ask me like you know what

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keeps me going you get little you know like i met with the air force general jose carlos parrera

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twice years ago once in 2012 another time in 2013 and he confirmed to both marco and i off camera

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it was funny actually because we sat down with him i think we had to go up to brazilia at one point but uh

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he goes he goes yeah i'll talk about ubatuba i'll talk about coloris 1970s

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i'll talk about ufos over brazil in 1986 you mentioned one word about virginia this interview

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is terminated and marco and i looked at each other like the fuck really like what i can't even ask you

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a question about it like what what that was on camera probably i'd have to look or maybe it was

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said maybe it was setting up to it but in any case that would have been worth the whole sit down

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but anyway but anyway at the end of it and i swear on my life this is true

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he uh we had the interview and i didn't ask him about virginia but we we turned the cameras off we

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turned the audio off and marco and i came up to him and he was getting ready to leave and we were

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just begging and pleading with him because i just on a personal level i'd like to know like you know

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what i mean i'm just curious guy that wants to yeah get as many answers as i can if they're off the record

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fuck it i'll take what i can get so i was begging him like please i mean i remember joking describing

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the interaction is practically licking the dirt off his boots you know like really begging him

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and marco was too and he was getting his affairs together and he had a driver waiting he was going

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back to his car and i can't remember if that was in brazilia or i'd have to talk to marco because he had

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a couple meetings with him and uh sat in the car door open driver engine running looked up at marco

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and i and he goes it happened clicked the door off he went never obviously i never included that in

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any of my movies but just like the nurse the other day that was like an extra layer for me on okay

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italo who's also willing to take a lie detector test who's also willing to put his hand in a bible

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like to have that nurse who doesn't want to make herself you know public doesn't want to like come

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forward publicly but gave me that little tidbit of information just like the general like that kind of

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makes you go i think we got something here yeah it's you know what i mean it's very but i mean i

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i am i am right there with you man i'm i believe it i believe this with every fiber of my being but my

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question is when you have people like this dude that you met at the premiere that's saying the scary

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thing about these things is the intent and on the other hand you have the neurosurgeon saying it was an

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angel saying it was it was almost like an he was he was like an angel yeah what do you make of that

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how do you connect the dots well here's how i so i think about all the different and i i'm not

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like a richard dolan type right he's a walking encyclopedia yes stanton friedman walking encyclopedia

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i know the cases that i know because i've done a deep dive gone to the location talk to the witnesses

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you know with socorro for instance i mean i went to the the the leading writer ray stanford rip ray

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you thank you for your contribution um went to his house spent a week with him went to the national

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archives uncovered never before seen documents on the case got to know his wife got to know his

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co-worker got to know his daughter got to know his son michael like five years on that case i mean i

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dude i know more about that case now that ray's gone probably than anyone on the planet which case

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we're talking about socorro new mexico 1964 close encounter of the third kind my point is this it's

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like what i know i know because of my personal i didn't read it out of a book like i actually go to

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these locations right i go to places and when i start putting all the different things that i've you

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know travis walton i've looked into that case not anywhere near as much as i did with ruhr or virginia

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or socorro or whatever or roswell you you talked to travis oh hell yeah many times i went out to the

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location where he was taken i talked to the other witnesses that were there i've talked to the

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leading researchers fuck yeah i do i do believe him yeah i do i mean i went out there and i saw his

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reaction when he got to yeah and i met the other witnesses that were with him too right i mean it

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really fucks you up i've been with him when he's done when he's frozen up and i've had people from ruma

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freeze up when i talk to them about like when you get to a certain point in the encounter when they had

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face-to-face contact with these creatures i've had people just freeze up just like stare at the camera

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josh gates was with me when it happened with with travis he just was like we were like hello you're

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you okay there buddy like hello we were interviewing a woman emma something i have it on tape and all of

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a sudden she just stopped it was right when she got to the point of contact allegedly with in ruins

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zimbabwe with the creatures she just went blank and it was almost like they were reliving it you know

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and if you look in if you look at i'm sorry i'm going off on all these different things i'm sending

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you a video steve yeah continue it's all good when you look at carlos de souza look at it carefully

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when we get to the crash site we go out in moment of contact right right new new revelations uh

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carlos has this moment where well first of all we couldn't find the damn crash site and that was

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incredibly frustrating i was thinking this is not off to a good start but it had been 26 years but

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when he finally we finally found the impact site there was a moment it's very brief and i don't

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even know if it's a second long or if it's a second half but you can see his eyes almost like a blank

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stare and he's just re you could what it looks like as a viewer to me is that he's reliving it and he's

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seen it as it was all those years earlier like he was reliving that experience and he just kind of

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froze for a moment and i see that with like i've had that happen with travis i've had that happen with

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witnesses to rua where they're in the middle of describing the face-to-face contact and it's like

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a like a like a short circuit a short circuit exactly yeah just kind of tweaked out but anyway

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getting back to the point of all this is i think about the individuals that he allegedly came in

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contact with um and i think about them caring enough for his safety if the accounts are to be believed

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yes i you know in the 70s snowflake arizona i think about if the accounts are to be believed and all

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those people are telling the truth or maybe they're all lying i highly doubt it but if they are they

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picked him up in a very remote area of the mountains i mean dude i've been there a couple times it's very

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he would have died if it would have put him back where they scooped him up right five days later they

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put him in a little area where it was a dip down in on the outskirts of town right close to a phone booth

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like and they zipped down below under the cover of darkness dropped him off again if the council

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would be believed that's what happened dropped him off and left so they cared about his well-being but

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they didn't want to you know they wanted to minimize any possibility of their exposure right

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then i think about betty and barney hill okay think about that case was it 61 in new hampshire

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fascinating case very compelling stanton freeman looked into it extensively he thought there was some

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really really tangible where they took eggs and sperm from them right yeah there was some sort of

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star charts quite oh he said a reticula yeah yeah something i don't know but but the stanton

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frieden talked all about it and he was very impressed but uh you know different the way they looked the

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weird their mouths whatever that whole interaction they said they were from this particular star constellation

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whatever um then i look at like rua those entities were looked different and their interaction they

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were warning the children of environmental destruction technology whatever all that stuff

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then i look at allegedly the contact with the girls in virginia this creature and i'm thinking to myself

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are we are we dealing with one phenomenon or are we dealing with like a whole array of phenomena

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right like maybe it's all of the above right i again i don't know i'd like to know but maybe

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we're dealing with interplanetary interdimensional time travelers i mean look out there into the night

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sky in the middle of the desert sometime that's a big damn universe right i mean it's huge i mean the

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billions and billions of possibilities so i don't know maybe we're dealing with all the above maybe

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there's a phenomenon right here that's interacting with us it's always been around and i believe that too

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but maybe we get periodic visitation from outside maybe interplanetary maybe interdimensional maybe

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time travelers maybe it's all the above honestly mate i really don't know i'd love to know but maybe

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sometimes i lean in that direction too maybe it is all the above right could be i mean why not

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but i don't know and i'd love to know and i've told michael schirmer of skeptic magazine i was like look

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because he always goes you know oh you're you know you can't just quickly default to it's alien

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extraterrestrial i'm like i ain't doing that like if a witness wants to say they saw an extraterrestrial

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have at it i'll provide a platform earlier we got to say but like you know what i liked about

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virginia is the girls were like i don't really know what the hell this thing was it wasn't human

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i'll tell you that much it was under intelligent it was it was an intelligent being that was communicating

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with us yeah and you taught you brought up spielberg earlier yeah okay so if you ever watched et

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so that's what that's what it reminded me of dude okay so check this out so last visit just a couple

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weeks ago we were getting statements for this event we're putting on the national press club because

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i feared that the state department would deny visas to a great body of people and unfortunately that

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that happened we fought like hell we had members of congress reaching out to the consulate in rio

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for the application for the visa application we hired an immigration lawyer like everything we did

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everything we were supposed to do absolutely correctly i'm telling you and seven got denied six seven bunch

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and uh so i was of the witnesses yes of the witness the first-hand witnesses we were going to fly

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i'm to dc this is all happening we're having the event anyway so i flew i flew to dc sorry i flew to

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brazil just recently and i got statements and i did it in conjunction with the town mayor gave me an

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official setting flags podium looks amazing and in the process of doing that we were talking to katia

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katia is one of the girls that was 21 at the time she was with the two sisters liliani and valkyria

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and um she goes you know i can't help but think like how things would have turned out differently

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if i'd helped that creature because it wanted help and she was locked in the eyes of that creature

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i don't know if i told you the story but when the girls i know you know the story about the girls coming

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in you know 10 feet whatever yeah broad daylight in that field little field they ran away after it had a

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had a cinder block wall and it was crouched against the cinder block wall feeble suffering like weak

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frightened the three girls were looking at the cinder block wall and i guess what they said what

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got their attention it was about three o'clock in the afternoon hot day sunny summer they saw like some

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graffiti on the cinder block wall and that kind of caught their attention looked in that direction

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and then they see what they thought was like is that a statue like what the hell is that it was some

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kind of creature slouched down against the wall they were looking at it like what the you know and then

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it one of the girls yelps it might have been liliani screamed you know and the creature turned and

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locked eyes with them at which point it had these big red eyes and it was suffering it was weak and

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feeble it wasn't threatening it wasn't like it was leaping at them and there it is right there yeah

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that's that's the best depiction right there the new york post one that michael schellenberger wrote but

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that next to that steve yeah right there boom that's what the creature looked like uh betty rodriguez

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uh did that with the help of the three girls right after the incident that's the cinder block wall

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so so liliani who's 16 grabs her sister valkyria who's 14 and hightails it out of there they get

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about 150 feet away and liliani realizes shit we left katya behind and katya's locked eyes on this

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thing it's having communication with it and it was basically saying either help me or don't hurt me like

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leave me help me and she was considering helping it and like if she'd done that and she's reflecting

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on that now to this day she's like how things would have been different maybe it wouldn't have been

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captured maybe it wouldn't have been killed maybe it wouldn't have been end up in the hands of the of

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the of the u.s military like i could have saved that thing like what brought it to brought it home

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yeah or well yeah but that's another that's a whole nother conversation about the the rescue

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search and rescue operation because that's one distinction that we made that you might have noticed

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the difference between the old version moment of contact and the new version moment of contact

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because we met with and i shot from behind the family right well yeah from the family behind well

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that's when i started i didn't quite put it together at the time i kind of did but i was like oh you gotta

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be kidding me this is an extra threshold if the accounts are to be believed and why on earth would

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this family be lying and they live right near the area like if you which i which i do i take my drone and

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i fly up and i put the camera straight down and yeah the military blockade here of course

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the military blockade here according to those witnesses according to princess tv that's where

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there were armed guards blocking the road then the girls came in the encounter right here the capture

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happened right here the family lives right here it makes total sense that if there was an operation

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to recover that guy that we just saw that's where you do it so it makes absolute sense because i kept

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saying to the family how do you know how do you know this thing was looking for we talk about how you

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know it was looking for something hey look i watched it for 20 minutes flying slow and low

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it was a disc with a spinner on the bottom of it and it was going down at the end turning around coming

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back going down at the end coming back turning around slow and low stop pivot move back forth grid

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search i swear to god and so when i restructured the entire opening of moment of contact because i

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incorporated all the some of the congressional units i didn't get bogged down in that and then some of

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previous accounts of alleged crash retrieval you know magenta 33 roswell 47 kingman 53 kexberg 65 you

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know landing bent waters yada yada um i was i i completely abolished the the entire previous opening

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that i had but then i was like oh wait a minute this footage i didn't link this before this is like one of

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the best night disc footage of a ufo i've seen this is really impressive and then i was like oh it just

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happened it was 1996 april just a couple months later right and so i looked up the location in in

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proximity to to virginia and like you know virginia is here sao paulo's down here it was like down in

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somewhere in here not that far away as the crow flies so i was like could that be connected interesting

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i don't know it's brilliant you've seen it the disc excuse me the disc footage you didn't see that

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remind me it's not a disc and there's a kid going what part of the movie uh when i when i interviewed

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the family outside from the back yes right after that i cut to that footage to say this could be

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connected oh okay yeah i don't for some reason that part's not ringing your bell but you're saying so

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that could have been the same crap that was looking for the beings as a hypothesis it could be

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yeah imagine how being that girl i know walking by the creature and deciding to help it would have

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been the real life et

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it would have been the real life et to the roof isn't that crazy or bringing inside i think about

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this all the time i don't really talk about it because i said like do you want to touch him right

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like no you wouldn't want to touch it i don't think it would want to touch you either it was not so

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just for those out there that feel like because they're people get freaked out when they hear that

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marco shrie's died marco shrie's grabbed the damn thing like a cowboy yeah and he just got a scratch

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and the forensic pathologist dr genie says on camera that it most likely came from the fingernail of

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the creature and the bacteria got into his blood and killed him and he the thing was alive and well when

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he grabbed him yes and he grabbed it he like basically captured him like you would capture a wild

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animal cowboy the guy didn't want to get caught cowboy and didn't put up much of a fight apparently

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he was weak and feeble and he just put it on his lap and off they went what a crazy person now

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remember the only living witness to that capture the second capture is eric lopes eric lopes and when

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we went to his house because all other options people would criticize me for that one because they go

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you know why did you just doorstep him you just showed up at his house with cameras rolling who

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does that i was like didn't he pull a gun on you or something so this is interesting there's a new

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development on that so when we got to his house and everything was happening really quickly i jumped

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out of the car and i was like we're gonna eric l i'm just dying to meet you were hot to try

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and um and i found out later from other fellow uh brazilian researchers and some of them quite hot dog like

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victorio pacchini and by the way while i had this opportunity i want to talk about my partner marco

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layal and give him tremendous credit for all the work he's done couldn't have done it without him

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and previous researchers uh uberjado rodriguez clodio covo pacchini uh marco pitt um aj javard

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these guys all deserve tremendous credit because we're following in their footsteps with this we

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picked it up where a lot of them died and disappeared uberjado rodriguez yeah he was one of the leading

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lawyers on the case he was amazing um was it where was i getting that uh the uh the capture yeah

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so we got to his house and i'm excited like because i'm like holy we might meet the

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guy that drove the car during the second capture like i'm hoping he's gonna be home and i hear talking

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when i got out of the car and i i i was like i didn't see a front door like i you know for a

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moment i don't know sometimes when you experience something like that level a moment of confusion

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in your mind it seems like a long time but maybe it was only a second or two i don't know but then

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i looked up and i saw this guy in the window and he had one arm like this with something in his hand

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and then he had another arm under the table and he was looking out there like in the first thing

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out of his mouth to the guy who used to be a politician a very prominent figure uh romolo and

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now a lawyer and they grew up together so he knew romolo so so and that was an afterthought of mine was

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to have him walk up because initially he was going to show me where he lived and we were on our own

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but then i actually asked him can you actually take us up to his house walk out walk out of the car

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and come with me and i don't know if he would have just started shooting if he saw a gringo out there

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first or i don't who the hell knows cameras rolling i don't know but i looked into this and i just i

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didn't know who he was i i was i didn't know what eric lopes looked like but i looked into this his eyes

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and i saw these eyes like eyes remember i was talking about uh pedro aguillard's wife with the

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bulging yes but this wasn't like bulging this was like if you could imagine harboring a deep dark

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dark profound secret for several decades and how that would weigh on you and how that would affect

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you and age you and stress you like and i'm looking in these eyes and i'm just like who is this

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guy like look at those eyes i remember just looking in his eyes like someone that felt plagued with

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burdened by some deep dark secret like if you could imagine the weight on his shoulders that's what it

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looked like okay i just remember getting lost in his eyes well he started threatening the bullets are

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going to start flying my translators never once told me that's what was happening which is i had we

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have a new person on board now i'm not trying to criticize the previous you know field translator but

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i would have liked to have known that i would my life was being threatened multiple times seems

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relevant i think so and um uh i kept pushing the fact maybe it was just as well that i didn't because

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i probably would have just i don't know maybe i would have left but we got more information he

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ultimately admits i am eric lopes but when we first walked up he's like if you're here to talk about the

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et eric won't talk he referred to himself in the third person which is funny it's like cops showing up

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your house at a party and the first thing out of your mouth is like hey there's no drugs in here mr

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officer it's like well we didn't ask you that but now that you mention it you know what i mean like

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he brought up the et like like immediately like he knew that's wow do you think he could have been

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aware is there any way he would have been aware of you by that point like could word have got because

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the documentary hadn't obviously had not been released yet no it hadn't but is there any way

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he got tipped off by you like being in the area well that was probably one of the times where i was most

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freaked out was we had just met with uh military x and then we were about to and then we doorstepped

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eric lopes and then we were about to have a meeting with another individual that allegedly had footage

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uh that they were not going to take me they were going to take marco leal my partner and say that

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he was the cousin of blah blah blah and then the military base as it started making phone calls to

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people that we just met with or that we're about to meet with now whether eric lopes got a call or not

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i don't know but some weird shit happened afterwards but um and they called up the guy

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that we just met with military x and they said oh there's a there's an american film crew uh poking

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around uh did they uh reach out to you by any chance and our military x guy is like uh no no uh-uh

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oh good are you still living at this address okay how's the wife and kids good good good excellent

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well if you you know if if they reach out to you let us know yeah and he was like

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freaking this is after he filmed this is right after we filmed with him yeah and then the individual

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that we were going to meet with and allegedly had footage he gets summoned at to the base

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and he's been gone ever since so i was just like so close you know but that was all right around the

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same time with eric lopes and eric lopes military intelligence so so he it wouldn't surprise me if

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he got a call and he he did good i mean you know he told us he's gonna shoot us and get the fuck out

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of here so so i found out two things after that one is uh i contacted his wife indirectly i can't

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remember who i did that through might have been marco lopes wife yeah sorry eric lopes wife now the

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interesting thing is i'm not sure if you knew this but so eric lopes married the sister of the

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deceased military officer who handled the creature marco chris eric lopes married his sister said that

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in the movie yeah i didn't say the movie no talked about it okay so then i don't think i did so then

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we contact eric lopes wife after the encounter where he threatened to shoot us and i might have apologized

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for door stepping him or something but i said what's it going to take to get because i when i

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ask witnesses i don't say will you come forward i don't ever do that i say what's it going to take

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to get you to come forward because then there's an opening right yeah so you don't give them that

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response and i said so i said like what are you going to take what's it going to take to get your

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husband to come forward she said bring my brother back to life and then he'll talk i was like that ain't

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gonna happen so then there was a a security guard that we're friends with and he's in the circle of

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you know security police that kind of thing and i believe he met with eric lopes or he met with eric

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lopes friend i think he met with eric lopes and eric lopes said that he did have a gun and that he was

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about seconds away from he was going to fire a couple shots in the air first that's what he said

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yeah that's what i just heard that a couple weeks ago that's crazy yeah isn't that funny

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that he did have a gun we suspected he did you know i mean he's military please do you think he's

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watched the documentary i mean i would imagine i mean if i was in it i'd want to that's the thing

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about this is it's like uh it's a prolonged investigation and this stuff's going to come

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out you're not just going to release one thing it's going to go forever and there's there's always a

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shot that this guy in maybe five years from now maybe ten years from now i never give up yeah ever

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i never give up because look at what we've done in the last 16 whatever years right marco and i

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marco was on this before i was at least 10 years so and we got the 30th anniversary

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we have the new mayor mayor vers is no longer the mayor who we interviewed in the first doc

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but we have the new mayor now and i met with him twice once in his office it just so happens that

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the security detail for the current mayor that we met with just a couple weeks ago

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his two parents are the ones that saw the ufo nearly crash the big cigar-shaped crab with a tear

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those are his parents mother and dad enrico or elena or elena and rico um wow not crazy just

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that's massive coincidence yeah and but in any case i'm flying back there probably right around the time

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this comes out or maybe a little bit after uh there will be um a 30th anniversary celebration and

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people are looking at uh the bravery and courage and courage of ethelo and that's not that's not going

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unnoticed within the medical community and the medical community cesario dr armando dr janini that all

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have his back and myself included and people are that's not going unnoticed so i've been asking dr

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ethelo because there's a small medical community in that town i need to talk to some medical doctors

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that were at humanitas hospital because i i'm hearing through pretty credible sources that there

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was a live creature there as well definitely one dead and and very likely another one alive maybe we got

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two alive ones maybe we got more maybe we got three i don't know but uh the military sorry the chief of

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police pedro aguillard always have a difficult time pronouncing his last name he said that he heard

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that they were up to three but i've heard from some researchers they were up to five i i really don't

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know have you ever heard of any other cases around the world of similar creatures with the red eyes only

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time is uh blood blood so bladsoe saw that bladsoe's son has a tattoo of one with red eyes on what yes he

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does yeah check it out i don't remember him telling me about that i saw it in a pool at uh

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palm springs at um contact in the desert and i looked at that play i was like what the hell is

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that it looked just like the et from virginia with red i'd never heard of red eyes like that

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but where did he say he saw he says he's i don't know we talked to him i guess he saw it was that i

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don't know dude chris blood those son has it tattooed on his arm just find the tattoo i'm sure there's a

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photo of it on get him to text it to you you know you have chris's number yeah yeah get his father to

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take a picture of his son no i have his son's number two yeah i saw him in a pool he had his

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shirt off and i looked at it i was like you know yeah yeah so that's the only one i've heard

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that's interesting i don't really like do a deep dive honestly like i did i know you don't yeah

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that's good that you i love that about you that you're you're kind of like not super deep into all

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the crazy internet and when i when i started out this investigation i mean i just remind your audience like

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for those of you skeptics yeah right good on you mate i don't blame you at all because when i first

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started this actually when i first heard about it it was the late 90s i was doing my second ufo doc

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okay out of the blue at the time we didn't have a name for it i always do kind of broad strokes on

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the chalkboard you know like oh let's cover this case bent waters phoenix lights yeah you know uh

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belgium wave you know we just all right that sounds good and we all kind of and my partner british guy very

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smart tim coleman he's like oh mate you know i got this incredible case in brazil with these live

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aliens just crashed ufo these live aliens walking through the town and i immediately thought to

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myself i picked the wrong partner out of his mind i'm not kidding you i promise you and i and i and

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not only did i not look into it i didn't touch it talk about it even read one word about it for over

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10 years fast forward i did out of the blue i did out of the blue two director's cup which i spent two

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more years on that after four or five years on the first cut then i did a two-part series for the

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history channel called i know what i saw i actually did independently and sold the history channel

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then i got invited to brazil and it must have been around 2010 would be my guess it was after i know

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what i saw and i got invited to speak at a place called baruibi which is the south of sao paulo on

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the beach on the on the coast and and and um right before i left i got a phone call i'm talking to this

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guy who's high up in the entertainment industry he's always been very influential behind the scenes

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jeff zaganski i'm sure he's fine me telling him telling you this and uh jeff goes um and i had a lot

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of respect for jeff and he's very dude he helped me get sales with i mean he's always like introduced me to

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various people hey give the kids some you know meet with this guy you know he was always very helpful

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he goes oh james you're going to brazil you got to look into that you know that virginia cave with

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the live alien i was like oh my god not this fucking insane case again i was like yeah jeff yeah sure

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yeah no for sure yeah no it sounds great yeah i'll definitely do that yeah yeah for sure click and i was

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like i'm not spending one second on that case i arrive in brazil i ended up meeting with

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nuclear physicist and ufo researcher uh uh stanton friedman oh okay yeah and he's the reason why a lot

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of us know about don schmidt and kevin randall we know about roswell today is because of the research

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those guys did and so stand friedman interestingly enough he was like one of the biggest bob lazar

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skeptics right yeah and that's why i kind of had respect for him i respect people being skeptical i

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really do i'm that way myself excuse me i just i respect that and i totally understand anyone that

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might say to me you're out of your mind right i know every time i get back from brazil that i'm at a

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cocktail party or a barbecue with my kids you know other kids father parents whatever at school whatever

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with school functions we do you know i don't start talking about this case to people because they're

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going to look at me like i need to up the dosage of the medication i'm not even on right i know that

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yeah like i'm not stupid you know i remember the 2021 when i came back i'd shot the whole doc and i

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was starting to put it together and cnn was at my house for an interview and they were all excited to

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talk about it and i was like yeah i'm not going to answer one question on that case because i knew

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i was going to come across as batshit crazy yes i was like let me put the film together first you know i

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actually saw like how the film was received in the general public because when i finished the

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phenomenon which is the last film that i'd done i was getting all kinds of mainstream media i was

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invited on all the shows tucker carlson like joe rogan cnn msnbc written up in the guardian it was all

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over the place right wing left wing all that and uh when the moment of contact came out it was crickets

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it was i mean the ufo community like held it up and i got a couple little not me podcasts you yeah

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you reported on it remember you brought in the you brought in the original sketches from the from the

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girls and and and then i watched rogan hear about it and i don't blame rogan he was feeling the same

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way everybody anybody would feel and i had a couple people i think it was uh the guy from minds uh sorry

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i can't remember oh yeah yeah i know you talked about it was michael schellenberger yep i think

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michael schellenberger might have gone first and then the guy from minds i'm so sorry mate i love

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you to death i always have your back i can't remember your name yeah i remember that but he um

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super sweet and he goes yeah you know i know have you seen james fox's movie and i could see this look

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on joe's face and then michael schellenberger brought it up again on his show and then he was like

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i guess he said okay i'm gonna watch it because he'd heard he clearly had heard about it because you know

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got out and then he watched it and bam as soon as he watched it because i just like just watch it

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you know before you draw any conclusions before you like write the whole thing off as i did and i

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don't blame you watch it and i really feel like maybe the first cut was a little premature it was

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before david grush went and testified i mean i had tears flowing down my face when that happened

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because i was feeling kind of lonely out there you know what i mean i was reporting on live aliens

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walking through a town in brazil you know and i had people that were very concerned about the

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direction of my career when that really yeah i won't use their names but they're people i'm very

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close to this is before it came out huh they were like you know you've got these great relationships

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you're working with harry reed and you know all these intelligent intel folks and now you want to

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report on some aliens live aliens walking through this town and this that the other thing i was like

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i understand and i respect your skepticism i was there but i've been back and forth i've met the

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witnesses face to face you're you're just talking to people so you're doing you're talking to a load

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of people sort of leaning into it big time and then the more i uncover the more comes out and the more

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comes out the more i'm like oh yeah holy this case happened you know what i mean and now i'm like if

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somebody said to me i need you to put your life on it that it happened or put your life on it that

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it didn't happen 110 i'd put my life on it that it happened yeah do you see what i'm saying oh yeah

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like i'm not sit there and say i bet my life that it happened i'm just saying but if i had to one or

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the other it would be it happened no yeah no question because like i said earlier one person just

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one person in that film was telling the truth and then this story high level of probability happened yes

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they'd all have to be lying what are the odds of that like what are the odds of that and i know

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that people are skeptic skeptic people are always skeptical fair enough but italo like what the

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does this guy have to gain like why would he do that and why would he be a bar soap in the bathtub

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for that whole time we're trying to pin him down kept going after him kept going after him kept going

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after him that's the what we do man we don't give up we get a lead and we go we go sometimes we go

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for years right so anyway hold that thought i gotta take a pee real quick all right go we'll come

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right back so what one of the um the documentaries that blew my mind out of all the ufo documentaries

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i've watched the one that like really kind of like reshaped my perspective on everything was the

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one about paul benowitz i never saw that one i don't think yeah it it followed uh i think his name's

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rick dodie right or error he was a debunker or something right or disinformation guy rick dodie yeah he was a

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disinformation guy for the air force i think yeah and there was this do you know who paul benowitz

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is right i've heard the name yeah definitely yeah so paul benowitz was a um he was like a ufo researcher

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in the 80s i think it's been a while since i've i've talked about this so i'm kind of like a little

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bit fuzzy on it but he was researching ufos in the 80s he was living in nevada right next to

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uh a big air force base there where they were testing stuff and he was okay he was an american

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businessman and ufo investigator okay so here's the story so he was he was filming and taking photos

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of what he thought was ufos right around this military base or around this air force base in nevada

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and he was a part of um mufon in the area and um he was getting like real photos and he was bringing

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it and like talking people were talking about it or whatever so rick dodie got assigned to go

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investigate it so rick dodie knocked on his door introduced himself saw 90s 80s i i think it was the 80s

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when did uh was he getting photographs of of like discs or like what do you know i mean do we have

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any photographs that he took that we have no it all got taken okay oh benowitz was the target of a

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government disinformation campaign does it say what year steve product okay projects gatsbury was the

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cattle mutilation stuff what is it disinformation i remember kpi 89 that sounds right 88 89 okay so

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ufo cover-up live is that the one you're talking about yeah so so so watch that i'll watch the

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documentary is called mirage men oh i okay yeah i heard about that it's a fantastic film okay i'll watch

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that um was it like done by some dudes in britain funny enough netflix or uh i think i watched it on

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amazon amazon prime i'll check it out um anyways super like weird artsy filmmaking style love it like

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so one of my favorite styles of filmmaking um it reminds me kind of a like a um kind of reminded me

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of a uh a harmony kareen movie anyways um so benowitz got visited by rick dody rick dody found out

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everything that he saw and rick basically in this movie he's they're interviewing rick and he's like

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yeah they found you know they figured out that what he didn't know was that the stuff that we were

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testing was our stuff he thought it was ufos so what they did who said that was our stuff was that

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rick dody said that to him or to the cameraman in the documentary okay so rick dody goes back to

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visit benowitz and goes holy shit man you found some fucking aliens and then the nsa moves in across

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the street from benowitz's house and they start beaming signals into paul benowitz's house saying that

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he's a guy's guy who's so famous and he's like the nsa was that and he's like living in the

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house and he's like you're like you're like uh you're like a guy who's like in the house and he

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was like really getting nerdy he's an engineer too he was an engineer yeah yeah so there were

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somehow the nsa moved in across the street and there were somehow beaming signals into his house

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saying we are an alien civilization our planet ran out of water we are on our way to your to

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planet earth right now and we will be there in a couple years whatever we're gonna suck your well drive

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Yeah.

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And so they were gaslighting him to believe that this is some sort of alien race that's coming to the planet Earth.

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They knew he was a huge part of MUFON.

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And what they thought was, because they wanted to get him off the trail of that this was U.S. technology.

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Because the military and the Air Force knew, because this is during the Cold War.

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They knew that the Soviets had infiltrated MUFON because they wanted to figure out what we had.

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So there were Soviet spies that were in the MUFON community there that were trying to get a better idea of what was going on as far as secret military stuff the U.S. had going on.

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So they wanted to poison the well of that local UFO community through Paul Benoist.

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They wanted to use him as a conduit of disinfo to throw off Soviets.

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And Paul Benoist eventually just went crazy, right?

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Because they were doing all this crazy shit, fucking with his mind.

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And he ended up going to like a, getting admitted to like a psych ward.

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That's sad.

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It's terrible.

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It was a super sad story.

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You know, I'm always suspicious of disinformation agents because once a disinformation, always a disinformation.

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If you're going to lie about one thing, why wouldn't you lie about something else?

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Well, here's the thing.

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Like some of it was true.

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Like what do you think was true?

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That's how they do it.

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And when you talk about Jason Sands, that's immediately what my mind goes to.

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Like is this guy, did he have a credible story?

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And maybe they tried to like throw in some crazy fucking bullshit into there to make it unbelievable.

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To make the guy super discredible.

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And I would imagine they're still using this tactic.

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Well, so I did a relatively deep dive into the alleged landing of an unknown object at Bentwaters, England, the joint U.S.-British air base.

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I interviewed the deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Halt.

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I think I'm the only one to ever interview the general, General Gordon Williams.

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I interviewed three of the primary witnesses.

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This is, let's see, it was, anyway, it was John Burroughs, Jim Penniston, and then the third guy, which I'm the only one to ever get him on camera.

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I'll think of his name in a second.

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But pretty much if you listen to all the different stories and it took place over several nights, it's all pretty consistent.

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You know, they saw like beams of light.

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Well, there was a landing of an object.

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Deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Halt, went with a crew to go investigate because apparently the lights were back like a night or two later.

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It was December 1980.

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This isn't Rendlesham.

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Rendlesham, yeah.

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Oh, this is Rendlesham.

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Yeah, Bentwaters, Rendlesham.

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And then, again, if you look at, listen to the tapes and you listen to all the various testimonies, the number of people that were there and witnessed certain aspects of the incident.

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It's all pretty much pretty consistent until there's one witness that starts talking about alien contact.

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Yeah, I was there.

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There was a book written about it left at Eastgate.

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Larry Warren, I believe his name was.

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And I'm not sitting there criticizing Larry Warren, but Larry Warren's testimony is kind of like Jason Sands.

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It's like, yeah, this incident happened.

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Then he just goes off the handle.

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And I was thinking to myself, and then I was talking to Deputy Base Commander Charles Halt, Colonel.

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And he goes, you know, this plane came in from Germany.

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There were all these guys in suits from some unknown government, U.S. agency.

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They were subjecting the witnesses, my men, to sodium pentothal.

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They were, like, you know, combing through all the evidence, allegedly took the photographs, said they didn't come out.

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Like, just all this stuff, right?

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He goes, yeah, they were here.

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And then, I don't know, however long, how many years it was later, Larry Warren comes out and starts just talking.

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Just, it's so inconsistent with every other single witness at the base.

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It's like, okay, did they take him and subject him to, like, false memory or inject something into his memory?

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I don't know.

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I have to consider that as a possibility.

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Yeah, totally.

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Because it's certainly a great way to muddy the waters, right?

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Yeah.

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You get someone there, and all of a sudden, it's like, it just goes sideways.

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It's like, oh, wait a minute.

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You know what?

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I think I'm done with this case.

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Like, it's a very effective campaign.

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Yes, I think so.

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And I'll go back quickly to the, I think it was called the Warren panel.

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Was it the, no, Robertson panel.

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Sorry, Robertson panel.

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Can you look up Robertson panel?

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Yeah, so they had, and I know you know this, but they had two consecutive weekends in July of 1952 at Washington, D.C.

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because people go, oh, if the phenomenon is real, why don't they land on the White House lawn?

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Right, right, right.

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Well, they nearly did.

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And two consecutive weekends.

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Just when they were talking about the swamp gas stuff?

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No, swamp gas was in the 60s.

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Oh, okay.

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That came from Dr. Jalen Hynek.

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Right, right.

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But this was intense because you had two, the Robertson panel was a result of two consecutive weekends at the White House, Capitol building, objects, swarming UFOs, military jets scrambled.

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Like, they had authorization to fire at these things.

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Yeah.

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There was a massive press conference.

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It's on, look, just go to any archive, look up the front page of the news.

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It's in the newspaper.

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Front page everywhere across the country.

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So much attention that General John Sanford had held a press conference, and it was a big press conference, and it was televised, and it was like he was in uniform, and he was like addressed the issue, and the fact that, you know, people are of high credibility or experiencing these incredible things.

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And it was like, how do we deal with this problem?

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They brought in the CIA.

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The CIA forms in early 1953 the Robertson panel.

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The Robertson panel told the Air Force, essentially, from all the people that I've talked to about it, look, you can't necessarily outright deny the phenomenon because there's too much compelling firsthand testimony, and there's photographs, and there's that, and the other thing.

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But you can't adopt this policy of ridicule.

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That's one of the aspects of dealing with the problem.

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Right.

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The problem, right?

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And they call it a problem because the way the military looks at it is you've got objects of unknown origin.

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They don't have a Russian flag or a Chinese flag, but they're whizzing around with impunity.

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They exhibit a technology that's light years advanced for anything we've got, particularly back then.

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And we don't know who it is and where they come from and what they want.

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Well, no governing body is going to want to disclose that nature of information.

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So they convened the Robertson panel.

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The Robertson panel, they adopted the Air Force of this policy of ridicule.

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And it was a very effective campaign, and it worked.

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And to this day, it still kind of works.

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A little less so today, but yeah, it was a very good campaign.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah, totally.

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No, and I think that those kind of tactics were used all the time, especially during the Cold War.

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You know, in the Cold War, the United States is known for being one of the darkest, most...

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That's when the U.S. government was trying to deceive the American public more than any other time.

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And we have more declassified documents exposing this stuff than any other time.

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That's when we had MKUltra.

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The president was assassinated in broad daylight.

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That's insanity, man.

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Watergate.

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Watergate.

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My neighbor was a very famous film editor.

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Walter Murch, he wrote a book called Blink of an Eye.

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He's a fascinating editor.

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He did English Patient, Apocalypse Now.

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He edited...

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He did...

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Okay, so, I don't know.

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Are you an editor?

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I used to be.

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Okay, so...

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Thank God I'm no longer an editor.

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I wish I could say the same.

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He wrote this book called Blink of an Eye.

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And he examined the blinking habits of the general population.

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So, he determined...

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This is the level of precision and professionalism this guy is.

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He determined how often the audience of 200 people, 300 people...

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Like, how often they blink.

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And he would perform a cut.

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Yeah.

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At that exact moment.

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So, his films would appear seamless to most people, right?

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But that's the level of professionalism.

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He was really good at his trade.

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He took it very seriously.

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And he worked on this documentary about JFK's death.

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And I have a lot of respect for this guy.

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He's a real...

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Take him...

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And he goes, yeah, man, the CIA killed JFK.

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I was like, you know, I heard about...

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He's like, no, no question, no question.

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And that's the first time I ever really believed that JFK was taken out by us.

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That's, you know...

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And that's a whole other topic of conversation.

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And I'm not out there to talk about, you know, that big conspiracy.

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But, yeah, crazy shit goes on within the U.S. government, no doubt.

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And also in that time before Kennedy was killed,

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that's when they proposed the Operation Northwoods

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to fly an airplane with no passengers on it remotely

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and shoot it down over Cuba for a pretext to invade.

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Like, that's...

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Golf of Tonkin.

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Golf of Tonkin, the whole Vietnam War.

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Like, so much fucking lying and deception was happening.

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It really makes you wonder.

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And it happens with Republicans and Democrats.

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And...

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Right?

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Yes, of course.

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It's like, it makes you kind of wonder who's behind the curtain.

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And right in the middle of all this lying, guess what?

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We went to the moon.

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Oh, yeah.

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We weren't lying about that, though.

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I know.

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So I was...

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Okay.

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And older generation, I'm going to tell you, am I open to it?

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Yes, I am.

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Am I ready for one Apollo astronaut to come forward and say it was a hoax?

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I'm so ready.

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I would love to hear that.

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My next-door neighbor, we were best friends.

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He was absolutely convinced we went to the moon.

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And we would have these spirited debates on it.

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And he's like, bullshit.

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We didn't go.

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Blah, blah, blah, blah.

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You know?

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And I've heard Joe Rogan.

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I was really good friends with Dr. Edgar Mitchell, 14th.

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I know you were.

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Yeah.

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Apollo, 14th.

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Sixth man to walk the moon.

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And I asked him about the controversy.

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I asked him about all that stuff.

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And I even asked him to walk me through every stage.

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I was friends with Buzz Aldrin's sister, Faye Ann Potter.

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She took me for a tour in her house, showed me all the photographs,

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what the astronauts were supposed to do under a number of operations.

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One is they missed the moon and they were jettisoned off into space.

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They were to take these things to kill them.

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If Neil got out...

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Oh, they had like cyanide capsules.

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Cyanide capsules.

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In case they got shot so they didn't have to have a slow down.

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She told you that.

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Yes, she did.

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Yes.

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And she watched the whole thing from behind the scenes because she was the sister.

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Yeah.

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And she had all these photographs that I'd never seen before.

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And then she said, my brother was told that if Neil gets off the moon and he lands

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and he just sinks into the abyss or whatever happens, you're not to play the hero.

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You don't go out there.

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You get in the ship and you leave his ass and you go rejoin the lunar orbiter

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and you get the hell back to Earth.

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That's what she told me.

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So all these things.

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And then he told...

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But there are some really weird inconsistencies.

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I'd be the first one to tell you that.

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Like I was like, that's interesting.

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That's interesting.

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Hmm.

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And why wouldn't they lie about it?

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Because the Russians were watching.

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It was like, who can get there first?

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Right?

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Yeah.

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So it makes perfectly good sense that we would lie about it and stage this huge hoax

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to let the Russians know, hey, we're the king of...

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So I'm open to it.

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But he told me in such vivid detail.

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He had to be such a good...

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Did he really?

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Yes.

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I closed my eyes and I told him, I want every aspect of going to the moon.

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I want you to tell me everything.

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And I apologized to him.

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And that was before I even had a hint of like fake moonlight and stuff.

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It was in the 90s.

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And some stuff started coming out after that.

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And I was friends with him for at least a decade, possibly more than that.

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And I went to his house.

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And he told me in great detail, a level of detail that I think about five years later,

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I had the most vivid dream.

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I swear to God, I went to the moon.

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What it was like to translute, I'd go around the earth and they have to turn on the rockets.

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They have to get the trajectory just like...

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Translutar injection.

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Translutar injection.

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Yep, exactly.

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Translutar injection.

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He goes, James, if we got off just a microscopic...

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He goes, we would either hit the moon or we'd ricochet off and be on outer space.

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He said, it had to be perfect.

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And then I said, what was it like on the way to the moon?

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He goes, well, I watched the earth get smaller and smaller and the moon get bigger and bigger.

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But other than that, he goes, I might as well have been in a simulator because I was so focused on the task at hand.

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I didn't really pay attention or have time to absorb like what we were actually doing.

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And then he said, when he got to the moon, it was his job to land the lunar lander.

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They had to separate from the lunar orbiter.

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I guess Michael Collins went around the moon, theoretically.

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And he landed and he said when he actually sat down on the lunar surface was the first time that he was like, oh my gosh, that's when it really hit him.

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And NASA had told him, I'm just telling you what he told me.

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I'm not asking anyone to believe what I'm saying.

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And he said that NASA had gave him very explicit directions to sleep because they'd been up essentially for three days to get to the moon.

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And so they instructed them to sleep.

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They got in their hammocks and he said he could hear these like macromedeorite.

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Macromedeorites.

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Macromedeorites pelting the skin like you could hear it.

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Laying on the surface of the moon.

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Really?

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Yeah, he said you could hear it.

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And they were sitting there and they were so excited.

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They were like, we're on the surface of the moon.

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Like, screw it.

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We haven't slept.

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We can't get to sleep.

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We're not going to go to sleep.

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We're putting our suits on, told NASA, put their suits on and they went to the surface of the moon.

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He said he's walking around the surface of the moon and he said they had these big gardening gloves and they had Hasselblad cameras with no viewfinders.

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And he said he was like walking on the moon and he looked out and he saw this marble, this beautiful blue marble suspended in a vacuum of space.

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He goes, James, you don't know the vacuum of space until you're in space, the darkness.

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This blue life support vehicle, our spaceship suspended in the vacuum of space.

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So beautiful.

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He goes, I put up one of my hands and I blocked out everything I knew.

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And then when he was coming home after they reconnected with the lunar orbiter and then they did a trans-Earth injection back.

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He said he had a couple of days to reflect on what he was actually doing.

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And that's when he had this incredible epiphany.

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Again, I'm just reporting what he told me.

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He said he had this epiphany.

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He founded the Noah Institute to understand it better of this deep sense of interconnectedness, the molecules of his body.

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This overview effect.

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There's a connected, he could feel the molecules of his body connected to the spaceship, connected to the stars.

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Like it was all one.

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It was all one creation, one living consciousness, one thing, right?

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He could feel it.

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And he did some experiments with ESP as well.

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Yeah.

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That he said was quite successful.

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Like they would project.

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I don't think he told NASA about it at the time.

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It leaked out later because he was like, we're going to tell them I'm doing ESP, ESP, you know, connected.

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So I would have...

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He brought some cards with him or something.

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I would have to dismiss his entire testimony.

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And if, you know, but again, I'm not here to debate whether we went to the moon or not.

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I'm just saying that I'm not sold that we didn't.

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I'm not sold that we fully did because there are some discrepancies and some things that have been pointed out to me that does make me scratch my head.

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I brought this up with a guy who's a physicist and he knows everything about NASA.

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And he gave me, I said, give me your best shot.

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Give me 10 reasons why I went to the moon.

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It's a guy that I used to work with, Ben.

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And he's like, you can see the reflectors.

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You can see this.

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We still have the crate, you know, the machine is still on the surface.

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I was like, all right, that's pretty compelling.

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Yeah.

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And then you hear 10 of that.

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Well, we didn't.

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And that too is compelling.

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So shit.

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I'm in the same boat as you.

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You know what I mean?

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I'm not convinced we went and I'm not convinced we didn't.

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Yeah.

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But having that connection to Apollo 14, Edgar Mitchell, man, why would he lie?

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Well, I guess he would lie to me, but I told a pretty convincing lie.

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I got to tell you.

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You know, there was a TV show that came out, I think in 2000s.

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You could probably find it, Steve, in England where they convinced a group of,

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this was like a reality show where they successfully convinced a group of people that they went to outer space.

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No way.

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Yep.

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Well, I mean, didn't Kubrick, didn't he do?

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He actually did.

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Okay.

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So I was talking to, so I brought that up with Edgar Mitchell.

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I said, hey, there's some inconsistencies and shadows and light sources, this and that.

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And he goes, you know, James, we had these hostile blod cameras, no viewfinder, big gardening gloves on.

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Quite honestly, it wouldn't surprise me.

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The whole world watching the biggest, most expensive operation in the history of mankind.

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He goes, it wouldn't surprise me just because it'd have to produce some high quality, good imagery to the world that maybe they did some stuff as a plan B that leaked out.

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Who said that?

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Edgar Mitchell told me that.

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Mitchell said that.

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He did.

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He told me that from his mouth to my ears, that it wouldn't surprise him.

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He didn't say it happened, but it wouldn't surprise him if that did happen.

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That's what I would say out of, I wouldn't say that we absolutely didn't go, but I would very confidently say that that footage was cooked up and sketchy.

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Like imagine, and Steve, find the video on YouTube of the lunar module leaving the first surface of the moon again, the one that we pulled up with Duncan.

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Imagine that we had never gone to the moon.

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And I said, James, I went to the moon.

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You're going to be like, get the fuck out of here, Danny.

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Like, no, I went to the moon.

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I'll show you the footage.

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Now pull up the footage of that lunar module, and I'm going to show you evidence that I went to the moon, James.

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Right?

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The most extraordinary feat of mankind ever.

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I'm going to show you the footage right now of my spaceship.

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Ready?

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Yeah.

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This is my spaceship.

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See?

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I went to the moon.

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That's my ship.

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Yeah.

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And another crazy thing.

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Have you ever heard of Jolly West?

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So they would have had to have left that camera on board.

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That camera would have had to transmit.

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They left that camera on the moon.

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Yep.

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And they had it remote controlled because it pivots up.

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And there was like a five second delay.

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There was a five second delay.

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Yeah.

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Well, Faye Ann Potter, and I can't believe I never got her on camera, was Buzz Aldrin's sister.

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Space cadets.

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That's the reality show where they convinced the people they went to space.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There were two people that, I'm sorry, two sightings that her brother had.

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One was in a fighter pilot, has a fighter pilot, and he chased a disc.

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And this is Buzz Aldrin, who's still alive.

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Dude, I have Buzz Aldrin's number.

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Why don't you get him on the show and bring this up?

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I would fucking love to.

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He's going to die.

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I know.

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I had the guy in here a couple weeks ago.

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I had his number.

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I'll give it to you.

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Listen to this.

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Invite him on the show.

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I would love to.

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If you have his number, I would fucking love to.

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I do.

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I got his number.

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I just had Charlie Duke in here.

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He, on Apollo 16.

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With a, with a.

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With Bart Sabrell.

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Yes.

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The number one denier.

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I saw some of that.

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Yeah.

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How did it go?

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So Charlie Duke is the 12th man to walk on the moon on Apollo 16.

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He's one of the last four living.

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Did you believe him?

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I don't know.

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Wow.

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I don't know.

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So this is, I did what you did.

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I said, I just wanted to draw out as much personal memories and experiences

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firsthand accounts.

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I wanted to understand like, like you do on your documentaries, like put me in your

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shoes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Put me there with you.

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Totally.

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I can't imagine the overwhelming emotional experience.

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Bring his granddaughter here.

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Have him lie to her.

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Yeah.

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The emotional, like the, just like the overwhelming experience of stepping foot on the moon for

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the first time in your life.

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Holy shit.

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Explain that to me.

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Put, if you can put that into words.

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The only thing he could say to me was excited.

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Okay.

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Excited.

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This is really interesting because Edgar Mitchell told me, he goes, some of the, some of the

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astronauts had this deep epiphany and it changed their lives forever.

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Other ones were just like, yeah, man.

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Yeah.

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Just another day at the office.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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That's what Edgar told me that some of them had this really deep, profound and did artwork

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and imagery paintings.

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And other people were just like, yeah, well, just another day at the office at NASA.

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Like no big deal, really.

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I mean, it would have rocked him up.

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When I, when I had that dream after he told me in vivid detail, what it was like to go,

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I had a dream.

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I swear to God, I went in my dream.

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I went like, it really felt real.

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And honestly, for me, I was terrified.

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Like if you had the opportunity to go to the moon, would you go?

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I got kids now.

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No.

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I mean, I have one kid, but I would not.

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Yeah.

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I was like, I don't think I would.

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When I saw the earth getting smaller and the fact that I, it was like when I did scuba

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diving.

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So I did a, I did a, I did a night dive.

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I did a drift dive and I did a deep dive.

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Really?

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Where?

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I think it was in the Bahamas.

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Oh, wow.

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I'm pretty sure it was in the, no, no, no, no.

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I did a night dive in cave Nods once.

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Sorry.

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I did cave, cave diving in, in Honduras in a place called Guanaja.

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But anyway, I did this deep dive.

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Okay.

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So the cliff, I mean, the, the, the cave diving was pretty intense.

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And I remember I was like kind of sucking my, and every time I looked down at my, I'm in a

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cave and the visibility was amazing.

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And I'm looking down at my little gauge for how much oxygen I have.

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Because I was an amateur, I was hyperventilating.

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I was like, right.

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And then you watch your dial getting lower and you're in a cave, like way down and I'm getting

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freaked out.

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And then when I look at my oxygen, that makes me breathe even more.

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So now it's sucking down even more.

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And then that's wearing me.

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So I kept periodically hitting my dive instructor, the dive master that was down there with us.

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And I was like, like, look at my fucking, you know, and he was looking at it.

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He's like, man, you know.

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And then, and then two minutes later, I would look at everybody else's.

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I had half the amount of oxygen everybody else had.

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So I hit him again.

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And finally I'm down in the fucking red.

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Right.

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And I grabbed his ass and I grabbed him and I wouldn't let him go.

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And I was like, like, dude, I'm out of air.

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You know, and we're 60, 70 feet down in a cave.

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And I grabbed him and he takes my thing out and he has a little spare octopus and puts it

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in my mouth and he locked arms.

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And I was like, Jesus Christ, dude.

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I had the same experience.

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So we locked arms.

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We go down there.

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That was hair raising.

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Then I did a night dive and that was creepy as shit.

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I was like, why am I down here?

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I can't see anything.

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I'm all creeped out.

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But the thing that got me the most, I did a deep dive.

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I think I went down like 100 feet, maybe 120, something like that.

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We went down real, did we planned it out for a long time?

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We acclimated going back up again.

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When I got down to the bottom, wherever we were, I looked up at how far away the surface

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was and I panicked because I was like, I ain't going to make it.

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I couldn't, dude, I couldn't make it.

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The boat is like a speck.

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Dude, I couldn't make it to the surface without that gear that I had.

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And I started to panic down there because it was scary.

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Like my life, like I've never seen the surface so far away.

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You know what I mean?

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And the fact that I had to calm myself, like just calm down, dude.

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Like relax.

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Like don't panic right now.

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Just relax.

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And we planned it all out.

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We knew where we needed to stop and breathe and stop and breathe and slowly and incrementally.

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Decompress.

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Decompress, you know, off-gap, whatever you call it, you know.

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And it slowly went back.

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But it was almost like if you're climbing, I've climbed a few bridges.

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I climbed the Golden Gate Bridge.

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A buddy of mine was a climber and he was trying to get me over my fear of heights.

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And that was terrifying.

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And I looked down at one point.

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You climbed the top?

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I did.

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Yeah.

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The cable that goes all the way up.

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And what surprised me was how steep it was.

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So the cable is designed to walk on.

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It's a big cable.

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It's like, you know, it's big.

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And then it has two guide wires things that you can hold on.

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I should have had gloves on because they were frayed.

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And I was kind of tearing my hands up.

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And I was going up without gloves.

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And everything was cool.

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So my legs started to burn as I got towards the top because the angle goes steeper, steeper.

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And towards the top, man, it's steep.

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I mean, it's getting steep.

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And I'm climbing and I'm following my buddy Donnie, who later died of a climbing accident

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in his 20s.

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And I'm following him and he's a professional climber.

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I mean, professional.

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He was a very, very good climber.

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And I'm following him up.

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And all of a sudden, I look down.

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And I saw the cars like ants down below me on the freeway.

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And I had this jolt of like energy, adrenaline just go through my whole body.

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And I saw myself like pass out and fall to my death.

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And then it got even more intense.

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And I was fucking panic mode.

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I really was.

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And Donnie caught.

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And I was about three quarters of the way up.

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I was panicking, dude.

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It wasn't hard to hold on up there.

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But I felt like I was going to pass out from the intensity of it.

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Like I just, I don't know.

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I was losing control of my own body.

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And I panicked, dude, really big time.

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I never felt that way before in my life.

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I mean, I kind of panicked when I was 120 feet down and looked up at the surface.

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But this, it was pretty dark too.

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Donnie saw what was happening.

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He was a climber.

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And he goes, ah, don't look down, dude.

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Look at where you're going.

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Stay focused.

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Breathe.

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Follow me.

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Like, come on.

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Stay focused.

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Thank God I was with him.

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And then I stayed focused with him and got to the top.

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When I got to the top, I told Donnie.

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It was like 3 o'clock in the morning.

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I was like, dude, I'm getting arrested.

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Look at the helicopters.

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I'm not, I ain't going down there.

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I'm not doing it.

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He's like, you know, he's like, oh, you know, don't worry.

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I don't care what the consequence.

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He can lock me up in jail for six months.

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I don't care.

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I'm not going back down.

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He eventually talked me down into it.

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Because to go down, you're standing there.

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And it, the cable just goes down into the void.

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Like, down super steep.

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And you're going like this.

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And going down.

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Dude, it was terrifying.

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Like, you know.

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And it wasn't so much that the physical feat of, like, it was that physically challenging.

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I mean, sure it was.

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But it was the mental part of it.

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Yeah.

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Like, when you look at that climber, Alex Honnold.

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Oh, yeah.

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He's like going up the face of this, like, 2,000 feet.

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Maniac.

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One slip and he's 1,000% dead.

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No safety, no safety tether.

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And he's like whistling Dixie, dude.

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It was all in his mind.

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He's totally fine.

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You know, I have, when I get on a really high or just those side of things, I feel like I lose control of my own body.

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And that's, I don't trust that feeling.

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Hands start sweating.

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Hands start sweating.

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And I start going to worst case scenario.

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Yep.

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Anyway.

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I'm the same way.

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I digress.

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Yes.

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No.

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That's, so, that's crazy to me that there's some of those guys that, like, that went to the moon, allegedly.

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And they just, like, there's no, there's nothing you can pull out, like Charlie.

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There's nothing you can really pull out of them as far as, like, a deep, like, I feel like if I went to the moon, I would have more words to describe it than exciting.

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Excited.

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So, I don't know.

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Buzz Aldrin, there was a guy that cornered, he was going around in the 90s and he was cornering various Apollo astronauts.

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This is the guy I had on.

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Put your hand in the Bible.

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Buzz punched him in the face.

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Yeah, Buzz punched him in the face.

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Now, he did that to Edgar Mitchell.

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Did you ever see that?

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No.

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Yeah, he did it to Edgar Mitchell.

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Oh, into his house.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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And then he says, you want me to call the CIA, have him whacked?

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But, but, but hold on.

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But, but he does put his hand, he does say, he, Edgar Mitchell does say, I, I went, I walked on the moon.

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Really?

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He does.

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I just saw it the other day.

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Because your show, I forgot that you did that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It sucked me in because I'm always curious.

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And I was talking to Jesse about it.

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And Jesse's like, because Jesse and Joe Rogan were talking about it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I said, Jesse, what do you think?

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Jesse's a smart guy, man.

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Yeah.

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Like, you know, when Jesse speaks, I listen.

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I'm like, hey, okay, let me hear it.

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And Jesse's like, well, there's this inconsistency and there's that and da, da, da, da.

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And so I started, then I watched some of your show and I was like, wow, this is a great idea.

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Get Buzz Aldrin.

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But he, I saw Edgar Mitchell get cornered like that.

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And he actually does it.

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And then he gets pissed off and kicks him out.

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But he did it.

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Yeah, there he is.

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Okay.

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You got it.

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I didn't realize that he actually swore in the Bible.

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Yeah, he did.

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Well, I don't know if he put his hand in the Bible.

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He said, yeah, he does.

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Give it audio.

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Give us some audio, Steve.

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Yeah.

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He did.

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From the moon.

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Affirm.

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Affirm.

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Under penalty of eternal damnation.

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I don't believe in that.

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But if you have eternal damnation.

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That I walked on the moon on Apollo 14.

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That I walked on the moon on Apollo 14.

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Well, you know, you're the first astronaut to do that.

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We asked six other astronauts to swear on the Bible.

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And they refused to do it.

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Now he gets pissed off.

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Wow.

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I don't particularly like to take oaths like that either.

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Because I don't accept the Bible as a gospel of anything except a historical record.

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But we did go to the moon.

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You bet your sweet ass we went to the moon.

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So, you bet your sweet ass we went to the moon.

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Here's where I'm at with it.

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That's the guy that I knew for 10 years.

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That's crazy.

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Been to his house.

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Met with him multiple times in California at the Snowitic Institute.

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Bart conveniently never mentions that.

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Bart also does a lot of other things.

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Like he pulls up evidence.

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That's not nothing.

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It's not nothing.

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That's something.

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And Bart on that podcast, he brings forward a lot of evidence with no source.

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He goes, he shows some footage that he found of like Putin watching an AI that says that the moon footage is fake.

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And I'm like, where did you get this?

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Because I saw it on Fox News like 10 years ago.

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I'm like, well, where's this?

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Pull it up.

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He's like, I don't know if it's still on there or not.

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Faye Ann Potter told me that her brother had a sighting on the way to the moon.

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And she told me that before any of that shit ever came out.

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She said they saw something that followed them to the moon.

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And she wasn't sure for how many days.

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But she told me, Faye, I swear on my life.

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Faye Ann Potter told me that.

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Who's her brother?

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Buzz Aldrin.

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Oh, Buzz is her brother.

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Yes.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah, Buzz is her brother.

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And Buzz never said anything about that.

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About five years after she said that or 10 years after she told me that, he was interviewed

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with some BBC TV and he goes, yeah, we were on the way to the moon.

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We were about to see if you could find it.

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Buzz admitted admission that they had a UFO sight on the way to the moon.

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Some BBC guy or some British report.

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Yeah, man.

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And I was like, oh my God, why didn't I get that?

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Now I had...

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Is it video or no?

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They did get some.

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Yeah.

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But hang on.

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So I got an interview with Buzz Aldrin in the 90s.

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Yeah.

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And he was going to be in the South of France because I got wind that he was having.

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I talked to...

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I worked on a film called The Legend of Obi Taggart with Mickey Rooney.

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And it was another guy that was there was the guy in Deliverance who...

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What was his name?

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I can't remember.

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I know you're talking about that.

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You're going to do some praying, boy.

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You better pray good.

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And I was like, oh boy.

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I'll think of his name in a minute.

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But I'd just seen that film.

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Like, you know, Deliverance.

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If you haven't seen it, it's pretty disturbing.

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Yeah.

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But in any case, I'd just seen that movie.

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And the lead actor, the guy that gets...

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Was there on the film set.

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And I talked to Mickey Rooney.

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And I was in my 20s.

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And I was making my first UFO documentary.

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And Jan Rooney, his wife, they're all, oh, Sonny, we were interested in UFOs.

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And you're making your first documentary.

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And I got so much shit for so long that people wonder why it doesn't bother me anymore.

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I've been heckled my whole life.

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They're like, yeah, we're good friends.

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Mickey Rooney's like, I'm really good friends with Buzz Aldrin.

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And he told me some pretty crazy stuff, you know.

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So I was like, really?

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And so I started digging into it.

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And then ultimately, I met his sister, Faye Ann Potter, who was an artist.

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She was an art broker in Kentfield, California.

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And we met for the first time at a restaurant called The Left Bank in Larkspur.

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And she started talking to me about her brother.

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And then between her and Mickey Rooney and Jan Rooney, who's Jan Rooney's father was a general at Roswell in 1947.

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And Jan was like, yeah, my dad told me that if the truth came about Roswell, it would have a devastating impact on organized religion.

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That was a side story.

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But so they said, we can get you an interview with Buzz Aldrin.

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So they did.

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It went on for a while.

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So they got me an interview.

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And Buzz Aldrin ultimately said, I'll give you an interview.

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I was in my 20s.

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I was like, are you kidding me?

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This is the biggest break ever of my career.

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So I was like, I'm going to get an interview with Buzz Aldrin about a UFO sighting he had.

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So he goes, I'm going to be in, you know, and someone says yes at that level.

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You're okay.

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I'm on book tour.

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I'm going to be in the south of France.

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I'm going to have to meet you.

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And you have to meet me in Monte Carlo.

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I was like, shit.

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So I borrowed a bunch of money, got a small camera crew together.

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I went out with Tim Coleman.

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And he went with me and Samara went with me.

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Excuse me.

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We get down to Monte Carlo.

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And dude, the cheapest hotel I could find was hundreds of dollars a night.

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It was super expensive.

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And he keeps putting the date off day after day.

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The most expensive place on earth, Monte Carlo, man.

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I mean, I remember looking at these boat anchors that were more expensive than a house.

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Like one boat anchor.

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I was like, I couldn't even afford a boat anchor, you know, on all these fancy, you know,

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it's all the gazillionaires, whatever.

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Yeah.

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Everything's super expensive.

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You don't have any money in Monte Carlo.

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Don't even think of going.

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And that was me.

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And he kept putting it off, putting it off.

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And then finally, I called him and I said, with all due respect, sir, I mean, you know,

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you did agree to this interview and you did.

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And I came all this way and, you know, with great effort.

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And he goes, okay, okay, okay.

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He goes, well, meet me in the lobby of my hotel.

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No cameras rolling.

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Meet me in the lobby of my hotel.

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And he was staying in some fancy hotel.

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Tomorrow morning, whatever, nine o'clock.

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No cameras rolling.

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So I'm like, okay, finally this is going to happen.

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And then I'm in the lobby and I'm with Tim Coleman, Samara Pardee.

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And we're sitting down in a little cafe in the lobby.

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We're having like a croissant and a coffee.

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And the concierge comes over.

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He's like, Mr. Fox, you have a telephone call?

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And I walk over and take the call.

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I'm not going to do the interview.

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I said, I mean, dude, I was so devastated.

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I was like, I'm sorry.

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What do you mean you're not going to do the interview?

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I can't do it.

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He goes, Paul Allen just said that he's invested in SETI,

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search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

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And now he's getting, you know, berated in the media.

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And I'm trying to get funding to get a rocket developed to allow citizens to go into space.

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And I can't possibly jeopardize that initiative talking about UFOs.

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And my experience doesn't matter or my sighting doesn't make any difference.

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Why would it matter that I'm coming forward?

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I said, well, with all due respect, sir,

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like it takes people of your stature to come forward to help elevate the phenomenon in the story.

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I mean, your story is of tremendous importance, you know?

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And he didn't say, I didn't see a UFO or I never had an experience.

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He just said, I'm not doing it.

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And that was it.

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And then, I swear to God.

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And then, like, probably about 10 years later, I'm going to guess around that,

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I broke a big story on the Phoenix Lights case where I had the governor, Fife Simonton,

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and we got invited on Larry King.

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And I found out the day of we're inside the studio, the green room.

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You know, you get your makeup put on in the green room.

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And Buzz Aldrin's there.

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And I look over at Fife Simonton, the former governor of Arizona.

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We were friends.

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We were together.

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We were there together.

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And I was like, that son of a bitch.

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Like, he, I told him what happened.

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And I was like, we're going to go on live TV.

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I'm going to stick it to him a little bit.

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He goes, James, you really can't do that, man.

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I mean, come on.

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This is an iconic figure.

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This is, he landed on the moon of Paul 11, Neil Armstrong.

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You can't go berating this guy.

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Like, you know.

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So I had to sit there and I go on live, Larry King live show with Buzz Aldrin,

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staring him in the face.

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And I was like, I don't want to give away his sister.

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I don't want to give away her name.

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I was just like, and I did poke and prod.

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And there was a guy, Darcy Weir, that did a short segment.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he talked about it and he dug up the Larry King live stuff.

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And when I got back, and this is my biggest regret.

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No, I have a lot of regrets.

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But when I got back from that experience, I called Faye Ann Potter.

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I don't remember it, like yesterday.

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And she goes, somebody got to him.

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And I said, what do you mean somebody got to him?

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She goes, he won't even talk to me about it anymore.

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Like my own brother.

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She says, somebody got to him.

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That's what she said.

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I swear to God, that's what she said to me.

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Why?

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I never thought that, I never expected her to die.

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I didn't think like, she wasn't sick.

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I went to her house a number of times.

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We used to have lunch together.

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I never even knew she was sick.

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And all of a sudden, she's gone.

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And I never got her on camera.

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I was like, ah.

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So that's why, like, if you want, I'll help arrange a meeting with Buzz Aldrin.

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Get him on camera, man.

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Hold his feet to the fire.

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Why the hell not?

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He's going to be gone soon.

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He's in his 90s.

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You know?

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It doesn't harm.

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I'll help make that happen.

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Yeah.

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And also, Neil Armstrong, he did two interviews in his entire life.

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You're the first man to walk on the moon.

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The biggest achievement of mankind, and you do two.

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One of them was the, like, what was it?

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The 20th or the 50th anniversary of the moon landing.

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It was like this cryptic message that he said.

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That was weird, yeah.

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Hidden truths will be revealed?

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The removed truths secretive layer?

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A couple of things, okay?

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When they got back and they were put in that quarantine, they looked like they'd seen Jesus.

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Yes.

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Okay?

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They were either burdened, in my humble opinion, and I could be totally wrong.

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Two options.

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One, it was a big hoax.

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Two, they had an encounter with a UFO or whatever, and they were told to shut your mouth about it.

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And that would give a similar reaction.

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In my opinion, if you went out and you had an encounter with a UFO in space, that would rock your world.

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Yeah.

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And you came back and they said, you shut your pie hole?

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That never happened?

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That could have happened.

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I don't know.

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It could have.

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According to his sister, they did see something.

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And according to Buzz Aldrin, he did see something.

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He admitted it on camera.

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He said it was, they didn't want to bring it to the attention too much to NASA, but they were asking, like, where is this one thing jettisoned?

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Is it there?

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And it's like, no, it's not that.

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They eliminated all these things, and they didn't want to say, hey, man, we're being followed by a UFO because they were worried that the mission would be scrapped.

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He says it.

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He says, you can look it up.

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Anyway.

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Yeah.

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And then there's, like, Michael Collins, who was on that first panel, that first interview that they all did after the mission, right, where they all looked like they saw Jesus.

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The one guy's like, I don't remember seeing any stars.

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Remember?

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They're asking about the stars.

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Like, I don't remember seeing any stars.

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Then he releases a book a couple years later where there's a whole chapter.

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The stars were so magnificent.

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The stars were beautiful.

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Just, like, so many weird things like that, you know?

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Yeah.

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On top of the fact that all of the data and the telemetry data and all the technology was accidentally destroyed.

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Edgar Mitchell, oh, man, the story he told me, the level of detail.

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He's a damn good liar if he was lying to me.

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Yeah.

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Damn good liar.

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One of the best.

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A lot of people think they could have been MKUltrad.

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Yeah.

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Like, maybe they were somehow, like.

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I mean, I got my scientist friends.

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I'm no one to debate the moon landing thing.

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I just, I don't know, dude.

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I'm not, I'm not well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I do know that some of the scientists that I'm friends with that talked about, there's

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this reason, there's this reason, but whatever.

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Point is, there's aliens in Virginia.

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Exactly.

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What's crazier?

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What's crazier?

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Oh, my God.

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Right?

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I know.

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So what's next for you, bro?

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What's, what's.

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Well, I got the event at the National Press Club, and I think this is coming out.

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Oh, yeah, that's coming out.

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Yes, this is going to come out right before that happens.

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So I worked with a specific member of Congress.

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I don't know if this individual wants their name out, but basically calling upon them, I

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need help because the immigration lawyer is like, hey, man, if you're ever going to get

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some weight from the American government, now's the time.

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Reach out to the consulate in Rio.

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So, you know, that happened.

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They were half the crew.

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There were a number of people that were approved.

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Then, then there were a number of people that were under, two people completely denied, a

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couple of people approved, and then four or five people that were under additional review.

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Okay.

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They need more information.

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They contacted me.

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I gave them a detailed account.

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Yes, I'm sponsoring the event.

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Yes, I'm paying for everybody.

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Yes, we're flying out for this thing.

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Da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

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I'm a filmmaker.

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I send them all the links to my films.

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These are witnesses that we want to have this event.

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This went on for a while.

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Reached out to a member of Congress.

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They called the consulate in Rio.

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Went on and on and on and dragged out.

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And I was like, could you guys come to a decision?

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My Lord, this has been going on for two months.

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And then just a few weeks ago, they pulled the plug and said they're all denied.

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Even the people that were initially approved were denied.

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By the US?

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By the US.

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That is correct.

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Oh, my God, dude.

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So, yeah, I was devastated.

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But the whole time when this was going on, I had an alternative plan.

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And that was, I'm going to have to go to Brazil again.

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My sister had just died, by the way, just a few weeks ago.

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Oh, my God.

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I'm sorry about that wound.

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I can't even tell you what a roller coaster ride it's been.

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I'm with my sister.

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She had multiple sclerosis.

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She was like, if it ever gets to the point where I can no longer take care of myself, James,

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I hope you understand and respect my decision, I got to check out.

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I can't.

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She got stuck in bed towards the end.

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She was right-handed, right arm, right arm gone, legs gone.

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She had a little movement in her left arm, which she wasn't even left-handed.

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She was right-handed.

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She could barely drink and feed herself.

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She could speak fine.

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She was, you know.

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And she was like, if it gets to the point where I can no longer go to the bathroom by myself,

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get out of bed by myself, I'm done.

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And I need you to respect that decision.

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So she did the whole, she had to go get a medical and psychological evaluation

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and to help the process legally.

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And so this has happened.

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I'm dealing with that.

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I'm dealing with all this event that I'm putting on.

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I can't even tell you all the moving parts on the American side, on the Brazilian side.

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So much stress, man.

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I've been borrowing a quarter of a million dollars to put this event on.

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And it's like, ugh, people have no idea.

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Like if someone could have followed me around with a camera in the last nine months

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to see what I go through, what we go through, what our team goes through

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to make these things happen.

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So I had a contingency plan, and that was to go and film with my co-producer,

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Aline and Marco Leal, Aline Cross,

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and get statements in an official setting, like podium flags, Brazilian flags.

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So we worked in conjunction with people, our contacts there.

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The mayor was helping out.

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And we got an official spot.

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And we filmed, I don't know, 10 or 12 really nice, you know, 90-second,

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two-minute statements, very official-looking, looking right at the barrel,

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you know, right down the barrel at the camera.

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And that was our plan B.

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It was like, okay, we'll get the people that got accepted, which were three.

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Three.

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It's amazing that none of the searching got accepted.

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Yeah, well, that's, yeah.

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So, yeah, he's like, you know, he's like, actually, I'm Brazilian-Italian,

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and I have an Italian passport.

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So I said, well, is your Italian passport valid?

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And he was like, oh, I got to take a look at it.

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And things were just, I was like, I need your passport.

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Turns out it wasn't valid.

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So he had to, like, go for the reapplication process.

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You know, that whole thing took forever.

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He had to go in for an interview, like, and then he's like,

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well, I can't go without my wife, my health.

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I just had a heart attack.

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I've had prostate cancer.

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Then I had surgery.

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My health isn't great.

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Like, so I'm, you know, dealing with that.

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And then I've got the forensic pathologist trying to get him and his wife

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and get his visas.

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Now, he didn't have a European passport, but he's a prominent doctor.

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Chances are, you know, he has every reason to come back to the country.

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He runs all these hospitals.

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So his visa got accepted.

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Then his wife had to get that.

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Oh, my God.

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This whole thing took months.

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Oh, my Lord.

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And so then we were like, all right, well, we've got three extremely prominent.

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Then we had the crash witness, Marco Carlos de Souza.

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And then we have a senator, a sitting member of the Senate in Brazil,

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also attending as of right now, the event.

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So we've got four.

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And then I've got video statements that we'll be presenting on a big screen,

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a very official setting.

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And I'll provide copies of that to all the various media outlets.

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So if they want to report on it, they can show the clips.

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And this is like my name.

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Wow.

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I swear on my, you know, blah, blah, blah, that this was what happened.

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And then they give a brief summary of it.

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And we've got like 10 of those.

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And so we're putting on that event.

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And then we're taking a short recess at the National Press Club at the ballroom.

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And then we're having American side.

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And they're basically making a plea to the current executive branch for immunity

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or relaxed restrictions on their NDAs.

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They're essentially saying, okay, we understand that the technology

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will probably have to be remain classified for national security reasons.

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However, the biologics do not.

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And that directly ties into Virginia.

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And it's a plea to the executive branch for immunity.

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And so they can be, you know, subpoenaed and testify openly

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in a congressional setting to reveal these details.

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So this is all happening.

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It's been a colossal undertaking.

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Yeah, I can fall on my face and fail miserably.

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But as my dad said to me years ago when I was having a panic attack

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on the biggest event I ever did at the time,

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which is the National Press Club event that I had made a movie about called

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I Know What I Saw.

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And I was, he was like, my dad was a quadriplegic with MS.

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And he's like, son, he's like, because I was panicking.

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Because it happens.

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You're doing a big, so much stake.

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Hundreds of thousands of borrowed dollars.

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Like, so stressful, man.

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Because there's so many variables outside your control.

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It's insanity.

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And he's like, you know, son, what's the worst case scenario?

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His voice was really weak.

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And I rattled off like 10 things that I was terrified they were going to all go wrong.

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And he very calmly sat there, nodded.

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And he looked at me and he goes, well, the way I see it,

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the worst case scenario is you never went for it.

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And I thought, he's right.

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That's so true.

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So I'm going for it.

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That's amazing, bro.

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You're an inspiration, James.

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You are a fucking national treasure.

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You got to keep pulling this thread, bro.

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I'm doing the best I can.

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You're doing an amazing job.

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Thank you for doing this.

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And thanks for doing this podcast.

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Thanks for inviting me on again.

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It's been a pleasure.

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I hope we can do another one.

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You're the man.

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We'll link everything below.

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We'll link the, well, if there's like a link to the, by the time this comes out.

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Moment of Contact, New Revelations of Alien Encounters.

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And I say that because the old version of Moment of Contact, there's been some confusion.

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Right, right.

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It's on Prime Video, Apple TV, Google Play, that sort of thing.

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It's for rent and for buy.

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And I understand if you don't want to spot the $6.99 or whatever, sit tight.

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I'll have it available for free on YouTube movies in a couple of months.

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And I appreciate everyone's support.

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And the event for the National Press Club is on?

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January 20th.

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January 20th.

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2026, this year.

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Okay.

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One event starts at the National Ballroom, at the National Press Club, National Ballroom,

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at 11 a.m.

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Ends at 1, and there's another one from 2 to 3 to 2 to 3.30.

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Fantastic.

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Fantastic.

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Yeah.

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Thanks again, man.

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Everything's linked below.

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Thank you for having me on.

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Appreciate it.

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Of course.

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Good night, everybody.

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