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Do you still have any personal experiences with this phenomenon today?
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I witnessed it in 2019, this massive craft come over my house.
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I'm still thinking about that.
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In 2019, and I got a really, really good look at it.
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I was afraid, like, for my life at a certain point, when it made him a new ver, that was very,
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very violent, in a sense.
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And I'd never seen anything like that, that big.
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And I wasn't the only one who saw it.
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There was a farmer near me.
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I'm sure other people saw it as well.
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How big would you say?
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I mean, I had to be a hundred feet, anyway.
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But, you know, wasn't what you'd think, as far as, like, tapered down platform.
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The platforms on this thing were like, they went out like this, like fat.
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Fat long, two stories, anyway, no windows.
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And I had a, I can only see the left hand part of this dome.
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And I went up like this.
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I could see the other side, but I couldn't see that.
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I just saw the curve, which is absolutely beautiful.
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That curve was, yeah, I think about that all the time now.
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Did it have a sound?
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Now, that's what was the most disturbing part about it was.
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So, in aviation, right, or in flying aviation, there's called air displacement.
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So, like, when a balloon's going through the air or anything with mass, the more mass you had, now I'm OK.
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The more mass you have, have, volume, the more air you can hear the air being displaced.
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This thing was huge and it had no air displacement.
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There was not a sound.
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I mean, that was outside on the roof of my garage.
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And any direct contact with beings, though?
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No, this thing, it was almost like, it was interesting because I had just finished the rough cut of the movie.
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It's like two weeks before.
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Do you think that maybe, like, what they do to you when they abduct you, when they, like what Gary's talking about with affecting the brain,
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or the brain, by making neurons more dense, do you think they're doing something to the brains of these people?
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Your self included, to where it opens up a perception that opens up a gateway in the mind to where you can perceive this stuff now.
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Yeah, but you normal people can't see.
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Yeah, but there was a farmer who also saw it.
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So, there were other witnesses too.
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Yeah, I made a big deal.
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I went to three police stations, two local police stations and the state police.
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Then I got my fucking part of my anger.
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Yeah, I flew down to West over Air Force Base to talk to the intelligence officer there.
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And he was supposed to be there.
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And then I talked him on the phone later.
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I'm like, hey, you guys got a serious security issue here because I'm 20 miles north of you.
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And you should know what this is.
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Like what this is, you know, he's like, you mean the drone?
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I'm like, oh, man, yeah, this is no drone, bro.
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Like this thing is 10 miles ahead of anything we have.
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I mean, it was, it was just stunning.
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I mean, that's, it was oddly when I saw it.
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And you know, you go through the list of things like, okay, this is a drone.
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Is this a Chinese lantern?
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Is this an aircraft?
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You go through with a whole list.
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I'm very like, I don't, I'm not easily deceived.
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Because I grew up with a mechanical background, aviation background, like, you know, jump to conclusions.
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And then when this thing got closer, I'm like, oh, my God.
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And then it was also absolutely beautiful.
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It was absolutely beautiful.
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And there was something peaceful about it actually in the experience.
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And then what color was it?
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Orange, like a deep, deep sunset orange.
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It looked like a plasma.
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It looked like a plasma.
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And then when it crossed in front of the tree in front of me, the whole thing, the whole substance.
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It was like a light, you know.
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And then it, as it approached me, it crossed in front of the tree in front of me.
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That was 45 feet away.
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And it was behind, it crossed behind this tree.
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So you can actually do the math, considering where I did all this stuff already.
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And then you can do the math from the position it was viewed from.
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And then it, the tree, part of the tree, blocked out the orange light.
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And then I could see the rest of it, which is like when you see a light going floating around.
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And then if it gets blocked out and you see this massive thing, that is not making any sound whatsoever.
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And it's, and it's the craft itself.
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It had rings, right?
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Like there was a metallic ring.
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That's the first thing that caught my eye, running through the center of it all around the circumference.
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I could, I could only see that.
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And it had like a heat, you know, when you heat a metal, there's a rainbow effect.
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Like a purplish, like sort of rainbow effect that happens.
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It's kind of like tinsel.
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This sort of flashingness, that's a caught my eye initially after the light got blocked.
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And then I saw, so it was like a very metallic, not silver.
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It was a darker kind of gray color.
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Was it glowing like, like Chris Bledso describes the orbs, like the entire thing glows?
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Or was it like an engine source?
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It's like, it looks like an orb, right?
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Or whatever people refer to it as an orb.
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So the, that orange light, which looks like a ball of orange, with like a red tinge to it.
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And it looks like plasma.
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It's like a light that doesn't, it's just, it's very strange.
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I mean, I didn't, as soon as I saw it, I did not take, I didn't think I blinked for 45 seconds.
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Because I was not going to take my eyes off that thing.
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And I started to go through the routine of what is this, try to identify.
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And then when it got blocked by the tree, and then I saw the rest of it, which is enormous,
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I started to get scared, of course.
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But the rest of it was lit by like a white light, you know, that there was no source.
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You know, and so you had this ring in the middle that had that rainbow effect on it.
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There was a black ring above it and below it.
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And then below was silver and above was silver.
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And then the dome was also silver on top.
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There was no windows.
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I mean, it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen technologically.
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Any kind of crazy movements, I mean.
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And it, you know, what is really kind of stunning to me, just because I have an engineering background,
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and I build things, and I love flying.
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I'm an engineer at heart.
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And dude, this thing wobbled.
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Like how, like use this as an in can and show me how it wobbled.
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I think this, like kind of like, it was slight, just slowly side to side.
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Like an off-balance gyroscope.
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I guess so, but it was slower than that, you know.
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That was, I just couldn't even make sense of that.
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Myself, for such a technological object like that to wobble, actually, I think about it.
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Obviously, if I built it, it would not wobble.
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You know what I mean?
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I want to make sure it looked really sleek.
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I don't seem to care about that.
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So, when it broke out of the trees, I knew I was going to get another clear look at it again,
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and that's when it did this sort of violent move, like counterclockwise rotated very quickly.
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That's when I got really, like I got, I put my hands down on the ground.
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And then I was looking at another sort of perspective of it, where there was a platform on the back.
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It sort of hung underneath it.
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And there was a white thing under it that looked like a tank, propane tank, or something.
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And it made me think, because I didn't know about the tick-tack at this point.
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Like a propane tank.
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Yeah, like a white tank with no seams on it.
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It looked, you know, I first, the first way I described it was like a casket, you know.
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And then underneath that was another platform that was just hanging there.
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You know, like there was no attachment to the object.
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And on that platform, there was like a, when I first saw it, it was, it's like a white box curved edges.
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It looked super advanced, you know.
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And it had a little pole on it with a red light.
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And in my mind, I'm like, that's a power supply, because I worked as an electrician for a long time at commercial.
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But it wasn't anything that I've seen us in the past.
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But it wasn't anything that I've seen us make at all.
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And then that orange light, which was not on me anymore, had gone around the ring of it and got toward the back of it.
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Very close to where it was, as it was right here.
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And then it got big and just went, whoa.
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I stood up there for 20 minutes, just with my jaw dropped.
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I felt like a neanderthal, man.
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Like, honestly, God, they are so far ahead of us.
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And it was you and another farmer who saw this.
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Oh, I'm sure a bunch of people saw it.
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The farmer, how far away, yeah, how far away was he?
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He was probably two miles away.
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I was probably a couple hundred yards when I first, probably three or four hundred yards when I first saw it.
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And then it kind of, I'm living here.
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I'm on the roof of the garage and it's coming this way.
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And then, so it's approaching me the whole time and when it departed, it was about right here.
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So when it departed, I'd say, a hundred fifty, here's the weird thing.
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That thing, there was no sound even in that.
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It disappeared into the stars.
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And I have no idea the speed.
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But I would imagine within a second it was over Boston, which is the direction where it went.
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But there was no magnetic field.
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There was no, I didn't feel any impact.
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There was no pressure wave of any, nothing.
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I don't quite understand the physics involved in what I witnessed.
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And that there was zero sound through the whole thing.
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And it wasn't some kind of projection or what do you call it?
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It's not a hologram.
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So the farmer, he was about two, two or three miles away from me.
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And he saw it from his angle and I know where he was.
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And so I went to talk to him.
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He got all nervous and said, I don't want to talk about it.
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That's what happens because it's not open.
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And people are nervous about, oh, what are their neighbors going to think?
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They're afraid of what the government may do.
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You know, it's not a great atmosphere for openness.
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Do you think that's the last time I saw someone?
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Do you suspect you're going to get any sort of backlash from talking about these experiences?
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I've only seen a very small part of this population, you know, whoever these things are.
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I've seen what a science team, multiple times.
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You always saw the same exact being.
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You never saw human beings or like.
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And they were the same crew.
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It was the same exact crew.
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How do you know that?
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Do you get the feeling that they were biological or do you get the feeling that they were like
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No, they were not machines.
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They were not machines.
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If they were machines, they were biological machines.
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Could they have been like biologically created and allowed or something?
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But they're very real and very sentient.
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And anyway, there's, and they come in four every single time.
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There's something about the number four, man.
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That's what, um, dad said that.
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You know, he said that.
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I believe that, um, Clelland, Michael Clelland said that as well.
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The owl and UFO guy.
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Every single time four of them.
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Um, no, no reproductive organs.
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Never saw anything like that.
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And you said you, you experienced the same smell that Whitley experienced.
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I described it as burnt lint.
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He described it as like burning cardboard.
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So real, that's so fascinating.
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So the, so when I, I was 10 years, 11 years old when I, I, was it, I was like a teenager
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when I described that.
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I think I was 11 years old.
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And you experienced it.
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You, you described something in that chapter of abductions the same way Whitley describes
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it as he says that when he was, you said you weren't regressed, but he said when he
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was regressed, he was like jumping timelines and his regressions to back when he was like
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I think the earliest he went was 10 years old.
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And you said you went from like a 10 year old memory back to a three year old memory.
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I mean, I, I did do regression, but it wasn't very, uh, I had, it just brought me into
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So I did remember some things, but I, I tend not to put a lot as much stock as I do with
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what I saw with my own eyes and felt with my own body.
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So I don't take that away from anyone that I think those, and I did say that right.
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That it brought me back to three.
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So it was 1970, 1971, which is when I think that's when I began.
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You think it began around there?
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I mean, I know that we've, I've just, we've at least with you.
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We've discussed it in my family.
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There were some events that occurred.
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Um, yeah, I just, I brought it up.
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You know, I had to, I, when you see stuff like this initially and you don't know what
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And with it, it took me 20 years to believe it myself.
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And with, he said it was happening to other people in his family as well.
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Like he would experience his other family members like all these crafts or like, he would
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So I stay away from the books because I don't need to read them.
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And I don't, when I do read them, I just get more traumatized.
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You know, I'm not, I'm not learning any.
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It does, yeah, it just, it reminds me of, uh, things I have kind of isolated out of my
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They're still there.
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I just keep them locked up.
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Have you ever thought about like, are there, out of all the abductee?
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Public abductees or private abductees that you've talked to?
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Do you suspect any sort of common, commonality or, or any sort of pattern in the people that
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they choose, like the type of people, mm hmm, something about them.
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They're all very intelligent.
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That like I, I went for a long time, I was curious like, who are, who are they?
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Well, first of all, why me, you know, and then also who's out there?
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Like, who else is this happening to?
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What's the common denominator?
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That that became a big curiosity for me.
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So I mean, some of these people are off to charge geniuses.
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Some of these abductees that I've met.
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I mean, they can read an entire book.
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That's 500 pages long.
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And, and then two years later, they can quote you line by line out of that chapter.
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If you're asking about, yeah, that was spades 56.
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In photographic memory, photographic memories, correct?
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And then, um, so I think it's a mix of range and I can, I think there's multiple reasons,
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but I definitely noticed the brain part because I've met so many just crazy intelligent people,
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female, females and males.
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And then there's another element that maybe they picked, I don't know, for genetic reasons,
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or I don't know, but I try to figure that out.
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I have not come to a conclusion, but you definitely wonder what that's, what it's about.
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That was a big deal for me to was to have a confirmed by the intelligence community.
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And that happened in 2021.
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Um, but there was no, have, have, the entire just community that I'd really been going through what I was going through.
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Personally, oh, really?
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How do they confirm this to you?
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I can't go to, but I can't say anything.
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But I knew they were the real deal.
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And I appreciated that actually.
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It made a big difference for me.
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You know, when I got that confirmation,
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Well, probably not for a lot of people.
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But I'm in the circle.
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So people know this.
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I mean, I'm probably not the only one that's happened to.
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You're taking it back.
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Somebody in the intelligence community
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confirmed to you that your personal experiences are real.
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How do you know this person was legit?
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Uh, because I could find him.
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You know, I could, I could, I could look LinkedIn or something.
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No, no, no, I could look him up and.
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I knew where he worked for, who we worked for.
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There was no reason for him to say what he said.
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And he actually gave examples.
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And that, I mean, it just, when you go through this your entire life
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and you're questioning your own sanity around it.
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First name was a gym.
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I know you're talking about it.
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I had a conversation with him too.
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I had a phone call with him.
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Now, he was, um, I also got confirmation from him in a, in a, in a, in a big
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There were several people actually.
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But it was one in particular who sat me down.
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When I took back couch.
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Back out of this whole area.
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That private conversation.
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And I laughed through a lot of it.
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Because I, I thought he was joking.
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You know, and he said, no, no, really.
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You really have to listen to this.
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And he said quite a few things.
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But it was, how do these people feel about this?
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I think they, they know it's going to come out.
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But how do they personally, how does it personally affect those people?
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Do they, do they tell you how they feel about it?
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How it affects their lives?
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Like knowing this kind of stuff and not being able to share it with anybody?
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I, um, well, Kim, there, there's sort of been in, in the, the audience
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essentially watching this happen, knowing it's real for a long time.
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So I think in some of these people I've met that they feel good finally,
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that they're doing the right thing.
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Are they afraid of it?
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Uh, I think it's a mixture, same, same with everybody.
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It's a mixture of awe and, awe and fear.
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Like, and I think that's true.
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Because this could literally change all of our lives in a positive way.
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And, and help rescue us in a sense.
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But it's also terrifying.
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But I, I feel like those people I've interacted with feel like they're getting a weight off their chest.
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Like that, this, this is something they're, they're, they're, they feel good about.
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This is not an operation where they're, you know, making here we're going to do this to do this.
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It, there's, there's heart involved and they can tell they actually care.
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And that's a relief.
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That's been a relief.
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I can't believe what's been happening in the last year.
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It's really in the last year.
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I mean, it's been going on for, but just this past year has been, uh, uh, unbelievable.
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Uh, just all that, that's happened.
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The threats the people I've met with.
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Oh, the threats, yeah.
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And, uh, the conversations I've had, um, it's hard to keep up with it.
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And I'm trying, I also have to live my life and work on my next film.
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And it's like, I spent, I've been spending a lot of time just like taking in what's happening.
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Because it's hard to, um, it's hard to believe.
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And you do have to vet everybody.
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You know, you really do.
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You have to, um, be very careful what you, uh, believe in, and who, who it's coming from and what they're,
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if there is an agenda, what is their agenda?
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Um, but yeah, it's just, and I know I'm not the only one going through this.
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A lot of people are.
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And I have to always remember like I am kind of on the edge of the curve, you know, edge of the,
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the cutting edge of it essentially because I demand to be there because it's affected me and affected a lot of people I love.
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And no, and everybody in the movie and everything I've done too,
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I have to realize the public is not quite there and they won't be there for a while.
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I have to be patient, which is why I would love to share a lot more.
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It's just, uh, I just don't think it's going to serve me or the whole disclosure.
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I think we, we need to be talking about the craft.
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And I can't believe we're, we even got into the back in engineering, um, recovery program.
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Um, I was like, I was like, there's a shock.
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Like I thought that would come way down the line, but no, it was like the first thing.
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Um, man, it was a shock.
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Um, I mean, how do you feel about it?
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Like, even hearing what I'm saying, is it really, is it, is it set your meters off?
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Like absorbing the whole, the, the, I'm kind of on the fence about the, the nuts and bolts part of it,
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like with the things that the Navy, the Navy pilots are seeing.
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I, I think that's, I tend to think that stuff is probably hours.
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Like, stuff that the military has control of because why else would it be in a, a Navy pilot,
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like a training area for Navy pilots, right?
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Like it would make sense that if these guys had just upgraded the radar in their planes,
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we might want to test some like black military projects on them and see like how it works against our top Navy fire pilots, right?
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Um, and I know that, you know, I've read, I've read about enough, um,
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read the history on like agencies like DARPA and like some of the black projects that they've been working on.
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And you know, obviously all of this disclosure stuff has to do with, it's revolves around these aerospace companies that are trying to keep secrets.
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Right? They're, they're, they're protected.
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They, they can't foie at them because they're private companies.
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And I think that's what David Grush was basically blowing the whistle about.
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And he was saying that all this money was going on accounted for to these companies.
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And like all these, these budgets were going to them and they could have, they didn't have to disclose anything that they were working on.
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And, um, I think it was Lockheed Martin and Northrop.
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Yeah, yeah, in Ohio, right?
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So, you know, obviously these companies have huge secrets and they're spending tons of money on stuff.
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You know, it's very, it makes sense that they've probably figured out anti-gravity.
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And they probably have, have developed something.
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I would, if I was to bet, right?
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If I was to, if I had to make a bet on whether an American aerospace company figured out crafts that the way graves and frairs described them, I would bet that we have figured that out.
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Not to say that, you know, this phenomena, I think this abduction phenomenon is a whole separate thing.
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And I'm still trying to wrap my head around it because it's just so, it's, A, there's no evidence for it.
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B, it is just like, it blows your perception of the universe out of the water.
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That this kind of stuff could actually be happening.
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That we are a fish in a fish tank that are being, you know, reeled up out of the water and poked and prodded and put back into the water.
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Like, you know, pulled out of the literal time stream.
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And being like, looked at and experimented on by something that we don't know what the fuck it is.
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That is just like, that's really hard to grasp.
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Like I've been thinking about it for a long time now.
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And it's still, it's still something that I think would really break a lot of people if it became, if it became something that was like accepted by the government and people, this is what, this is what it is.
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Like if they let this out to the public, I think it would really break a lot of people.
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I agree. That's why it's, you know, it's going to be carefully, carefully done.
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Yeah, I have no question. I mentioned it.
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I had a lot of conversations lately.
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I mentioned it to somebody recently, you know, when I was in South Africa and as a mob way, particularly South Africa.
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You know, I went to the Air Force Base. A couple of them just say, hey, can I get in and speak with you.
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And amazingly, I thought they would just stop me at the door.
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I told them when I was doing documentary on this issue.
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And the commander said, yeah, come on in.
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He invited me into this Air Force Base.
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The main building and he was a commander. He brought a lieutenant colonel with him.
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Female, blonde, hair.
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And, you know, I asked some, you guys see this stuff. What do you guys, if you know about this?
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And I'm like, oh yeah, they were just very matter of fact about it.
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And I've also found this in South America. Another military I was speaking with.
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You know, and he said to me, he said, you know, we can tell on radar the difference between the military and the military.
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The difference between the American version, the Russian version and the real thing.
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That's exactly what I said. I was like, what are you talking about?
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I had never heard that before.
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Yeah. And then lieutenant colonel is right there.
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And I'm looking at her. I'm looking at, you know, I'm like, are these people bullshitting me?
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Because I, you know, I didn't know. And I'm like, oh, now this is there really for real.
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So we, I was there for probably 20 minutes and they were sharing this stuff with me.
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But what it turned, they had no idea who you were.
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They, well, I had been on the radio over there getting, trying to bring out the aerial witnesses and other witnesses in Africa.
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Because when I was doing aerial, I was also interviewing tons of other witnesses from other events as well.
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So I think they may have known they had heard I was in town. It's not a very, you know,
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if you're in the media in Africa, people know.
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So, yeah, that kind of, well, it makes me think about what you're talking about.
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That do we probably, we have great engineers. We've been doing a lot of town's and brown.
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You know, electric, grvitic work for quite a long time.
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So it wouldn't surprise me if we have operational vehicles.
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According to certain people I've talked to like him and apparently we do.
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But here's the question like on this whole phenomenon, this stuff's been flying around for a long time.
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And before, since at least World War II that we've been seeing it.
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And it's no different than what we're seeing today.
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It's the same, same behavior or same everything.
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That tells you it's likely not us that did this unless there was some breakaway civilization
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that somehow managed to, you know, engineer and keep it completely separate from everybody else.
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Back before World War I, World War II, you know.
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That's hard. That's a little more hard for me to believe.
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But in this, this phenomenon has been reported all the way back to the early stages of humanity.
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And one way or another.
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In the beginning of this conversation, you were saying that you are aware of
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abductions still happening today.
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Do you think any of this change?
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I think any of the abductions that are happening today are anything similar to what the stuff that you were experiencing was.
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Like with extracting bodily fluids from people and like the same sort of like reproduction experiments.
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Who's putting out that dialogue that this is changed?
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Nobody's putting out the dialogue.
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Nobody's putting out anything about something that's anything new that's happening.
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Maybe that's the way they want to portray it so people will adjust to it and not realize that there's this other aspect.
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I just haven't seen anything anywhere or heard anything anywhere of anyone new talking about this stuff happening.
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And I don't know if that's just because that I don't know if the reason we only hear about stuff that happened 20 years ago
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is because that's like naturally how long it takes someone to do to be comfortable to talk about this stuff.
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Or if people are just choosing not to talk about it or if it's being suppressed or whatever.
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I think all those are true.
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Because it's really hard to come to terms with it.
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And for sure it can take 20 years.
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Yeah, sure isn't easy.
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Yeah, but I would...
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If you want to answer that...
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There's investigators you should speak with who are seeing people and getting the reports.
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What kind of investigators?
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Through Mufon I believe has someone...
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Department for reductions for people to contact them.
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I think also a lot of people saw what happened to the people I was around that whole time and how abused we got by the media.
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Really killed and oh my god, it was brutal.
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And maybe that has informed their decision not to be public about it.
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But I've met quite a few that it's ongoing.
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And if it has stopped, it's great.
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I just don't believe that's the truth.
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Is there a certain geographical area that seems to happen more than others?
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Do they stay away from big cities?
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Do they only go to open rural land?
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I think big cities less so.
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But it's all over the planet.
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I had a woman from Japan approached me at one of my screenings recently.
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I mean, this is fascinating.
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And this is the most rewarding part for me personally.
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People approached me at the screenings afterwards.
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They'll give me a note or they'll just tell me like thank you for validating my experience.
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It's been happening since I was a child.
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That's the most beautiful thing.
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And I always share it with my crew because people I worked with, like hey, this is the kind of effect you have.
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I've got stacks of letters and emails from some people.
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And yes, this woman from Japan recently approached me.
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I mean, I knew it was everywhere.
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I've met people from China, Japan, all over pretty much every single country at this point.
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This is the same thing.
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It's the same thing.
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We think we don't have...
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This operation doesn't have any.
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They cover in the entire planet.
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Are there any accounts or stories people have told you that just doesn't fit into anything you've ever heard?
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Or like is there ever been something where someone came out, came to you and be like look this is what happened to me?
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And you were like whoa, this is... I've never heard of this before.
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Or like any new kind of beings that they described that you've never heard of or...
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Well, I've heard a few, but it's pretty consistent.
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It's pretty consistent.
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That's the other thing that gets...
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That's why people started researching it was a consistency amongst stories, even from people separated by oceans.
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All across the world was the consistencies of many things.
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Not just the description of these creatures, but the procedures, the technology.
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It's all consistent.
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Yeah, that's all consistent.
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It's all consistent.
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So there's a strong body of work.
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I think it's 90% the same.
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And then there's 10% that are these outliers that...
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People experiencing reptile-like creatures and this and that.
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But 90% of them are these little forefooters.
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Have you ever asked them or communicated with them, asked them who they were?
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I don't think you have the chance to do that.
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I know you just don't...
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Because it seems like there were a lot of people who did ask them that.
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At least from some of the counts that I've read about in various books of abductees or people that I've just seen.
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Or people that I've just ran into these things, like randomly in the middle of Colorado or Utah or somewhere.
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Maybe not all abductees, but at least having face-to-face encounters with them, where they would communicate with them telepathically.
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I know there was a few of them in Mike Masters book, extra tempestriol model.
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He lays out at least a half dozen accounts, documented accounts,
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where people asked them where they were, who they were, where they were from.
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You've never talked to anybody who had anything to say about that?
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It's just limited, near limited...
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It depends on the individual situation.
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Even Whitley says he talked to the being telepathically, and he asked how old it was.
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It told him it was ancient.
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I got to talk to Whitley.
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Oh my God, yeah, that's funny.
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It reminds me of people say, well, if you're on this spacecraft, why didn't you get this?
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You're thinking about survival, period.
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That's the kind of mixed-in thing, unless you're under some kind of, they're anesthetic,
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which is electrical and nature, by the way.
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It's difficult to get those questions in, because that's not where your...
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Hasn't been with me, and that's not been my primary.
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I wouldn't like to survive.
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What about the little... he talks about these little grunty, beefy looking creatures
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that were the workhorses, the ones that would carry you out of the house,
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and get you into the woods to get elevated up into the spacecraft.
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There were two different ones.
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He explained the human looking ones, the little forefooters,
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and he explained these other really little ogre-looking ones
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that he explained were the workhorses that would be doing the physical labor to move people.
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I don't think they needed that for me, anyway.
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But yeah, no, I don't remember them in the walk-in.
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Thanks for coming on, man.
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Yeah, this has been fun.
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I won't be able to sleep tonight.
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Anytime I talk about this stuff, it's just ripples for several days.
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Well, like I was telling you on the phone earlier, too.
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Like, I don't know if I've had enough time to process it yet,
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but Michael Masters' hypothesis of this extra-tempestial time traveler idea
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is just the most compelling thing that I've read on this subject.
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Because there's so many pieces of the puzzle that fit.
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Right? Like, you have them caring about the planet,
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Ruiz and Bobway, communicating these kids that they need to protect the planet
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and watch out for technology.
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Like, future humans have a huge stake in this planet.
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Way more so, I would imagine than some sort of extra-trestial
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for another star system would.
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Number two, he's an anthropologist.
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He understands human evolution, understands how rare we are on Earth.
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There's over 2 million catalog species of animals on this Earth.
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20 of them are hominids.
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And one of the 20 is us making it like we're like 0.000001% of all living species on Earth
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that are upright walking hominids and we're the ones that were able to create technology
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that could leave the planet.
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Now, almost I think all of the other Goldilocks planets that we're aware of
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that can inhabit life, they have different atmospheres, way different gravity,
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some are binary star systems, meaning that the way life develops there
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is so much different than life develops here, meaning that it would be almost
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probably safe to say impossible for life to develop to look like us.
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Upright walking hominids with two arms, two legs, head too forward facing eyes
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with the brain assist directly on top of the head, especially when you account for the fact
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that most of those planets that exist, their Goldilocks planets, are water worlds.
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So like the fact that these things care about the planet, they look so similar to us.
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And he took, he looked at hominids from millions of years ago
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and basically extrapolated to where we are now, how we've evolved from early chimpanzees.
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And he extrapolated that out into the future and said,
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we will fully grown adults way out in the future will look like the offspring of the R-offspring right now.
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It's a term called pito morphism where basically newborn, if you look at our ancestors,
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like if you look at early chimps, newborn chimps, they look like human children today.
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But when the chimps of vault were when they grow up and they become adults,
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their head goes back, slopes back, the mouth comes out, comes forward like that.
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And if you extrapolate our future descendants, maybe thousands, hundreds of thousands of years from now,
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fully grown will look like our children today.
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This is coming from a biological anthropologist. So it's super compelling to me this idea.
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You don't seem convinced though.
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Well, you know, bears spend an awful lot of time on two legs way more than people think walking upright.
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I've seen it. And I've... Yeah, but now...
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Anyway, well, I know it's just... I don't know. I don't try not to...
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I think the most important thing, because hey, this species could have evolved here.
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That's possible. Could be time travel. I'm not excluding anything.
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I've heard so many ideas, pets, and I think it's great.
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We need to do that, absolutely. But the most important thing for me, and a lot of other people,
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is just admit that they're here first.
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It doesn't matter where they're from. We'll figure that out.
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And we need as many scientists like Michael... I think I'm a methamphetamine.
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I think I'm methamphetamine. Michael Astors.
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I think it's great what he's doing. And everyone is.
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I mean, these are so many people that are...
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Just doing incredible work.
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And there's also so many of these abduction accounts talk about extracting eggs from women, sperm from men,
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even the aliens having sex with the abductees, with Whitley Strieber's account, or David Huggins.
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You're familiar with David Huggins, right? He's in Hoboken, New Jersey.
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The first time I ever became aware of any of this was watching David Huggins documentary
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that Brad Abrams made. And I was just like, this guy's nuts.
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Right. Right. That's your reaction to it.
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Of course it is. I lost my virginity to an alien with huge tits.
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I need to do these paintings. These amazing paintings. I need to buy one of his paintings.
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I know I understand.
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But they all have to do with reproduction.
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Right. And if you look at the direction, the human race is going right now with sperm count,
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with testosterone levels, with the development of technology,
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and our foods being more processed, and pesticides, monocrop agriculture,
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being like with, you know, Monsanto and all these companies basically just like laying these fields
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with all these pesticides that are people are getting cancer from them.
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It's like dropping fertility rates, the plastics, the microplastics, and everything.
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Everything comes in plastic.
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And these microplastics are how Dr. Shana Swann came in here, and she described how since we've been testing testosterone levels,
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we've been testing the count level since the 50s. And since the 50s, they've been dropping one to two percent every year.
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And if you look at the drop in birth rates now, I mean, that's not just the biology of it,
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but it's also the culture of it. You know, now women are getting careers,
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and they don't want to have children when they're young anymore.
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We're becoming more and more homogenized, and domesticated as a species.
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You take this, and you extrapolate this into the future with more, the more technology evolves,
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and just the way this world is going right now, there's no way to turn that ship around.
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So if it's just like go with the theory that it is, future humans for a second,
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then you take in the account of any sort of natural cosmic cataclysm or nuclear exchange
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that could happen that would severely destroy a huge part of the human population,
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and people would be forced in breeding would happen in that case,
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and it would severely bottleneck our gene pool.
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So if hypothetically in the future this happened, and we were able to figure out backward time travel,
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wouldn't we want to send maybe not biological beings, but maybe we don't want to send genetically created 3D printed robots back in time
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to harvest specimens, semen from our ancestors to try to diversify the gene pool of the future if it is being bottlenecked by something like this?
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I mean, I know it's a stretch, but the hypothesis makes a lot of sense.
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No, it's a great hypothesis.
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I mean, our planet's in trouble, period.
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If they were, I'll just make an argument.
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If they are traveling back to the future, they're a little late.
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They shouldn't have done that.
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I mean, from the future, they're a little late, because we're in more and more serious trouble.
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But you also have to understand another species, and this is also theoretical or speculative.
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They may be looking at us like we do when we're, I spent a lot of time in Africa with primatologists and all these other wildlife people,
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organizations, and they monitor the wildlife.
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They care about them.
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They care for them to a certain level, and then when they get out of hand, or their environment starts to suffer from too many elephants, so to speak.
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They mo, they mo forrest down.
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You would not believe the destruction.
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They destroy. They devastate an area.
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And then what they have to do is they'll shut that area off and move them into a whole other area,
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where we're talking sometimes millions of acres.
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They'll shut off a quarter of it and let it regrow, because the elephants have devastated.
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And then they call them to keep them, you know, their populations to a certain...
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When a species is overpopulated, you start to get more disease.
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So anyway, I just see it that I think we're just in a very critical place in our planets.
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And I think maybe another species like we do values this place for maybe us, but it's not probably not just us.
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There's millions and millions of other species.
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And maybe there's not a lot of that out there, plus we're a resource.
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You know, we have a lot of resources here, chemical, genetic, you know, just a ton.
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Again, I think that we have to just realize that it's happening at all before we can really start to get to.
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