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During your investigation on the ground, you know,
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this was tracked on camera for 40 minutes.
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And you were finding it was going in circles.
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How significant is that detail?
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And what are you taking away from this rubber duck incident?
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Well, the fact that it was going in circles
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is disproving any suggestion
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that it was just a balloon floating randomly
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with the prevailing winds.
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It was intelligently controlling itself
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and circling a specific area,
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which we actually searched with ground penetrating radar
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just to see if there was anything there.
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What fascinates me is you have a situation now
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where military pilots, civilian pilots,
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customs border protection, local civilian witnesses
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are reporting with frequency,
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anomalous objects, doing what apparently seemed to be
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intelligently controlled maneuvers
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over remote parts of the Arizona desert.
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And the question we asked was,
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could there be something happening in Arizona
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that's not being publicly disclosed by the US government?
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And that's actually what led us
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in the latter part of the program to head up towards Sedona.
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I do think that what is possibly happening,
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we know from the stories that I've done previously
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with people like Jake Barber and David Grush,
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we know that there are allegations of a legacy UAP retrieval
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program that is retrieved, unbelievable as this based on,
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unbelievable, but true, non-human intelligence technology.
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And we know that there are locations,
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hidden locations where this technology
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is being experimented with and worked with.
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And I think there's a body of evidence
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to suggest that there are perhaps non-human
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and perhaps some human technologies operating in this airspace.
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That's what my takeaway is.
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I don't think that this is an incursion
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by organized crime cartels from Mexico.
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I do think that what we need to look at here
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is the very real possibility that the customs
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and border protection stumbled across some kind of craft
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that are, in some cases, emanating from covert US government facilities
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that the US is trying to keep quiet.
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And I do worry about the fact that the US is still maintaining
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the pretence that it has no knowledge of the existence
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of any kind of non-human technology,
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because it's becoming very, very clear,
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good people in different agencies, notably in this case,
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Bob Thompson from CBP.
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You know, they're seeing these things.
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Military pilots are seeing these things.
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And what do we do to these people?
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And the government tells them they're not seeing what they're seeing.
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And I can tell you, Natasha,
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there are a lot of witnesses who, frankly,
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are sick to death of being gaslit.
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They're coming forward and they're determined to get this story told.
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I think there's pressure now on the government
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to be more transparent about what it knows.
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And Rouse, tell me a little bit more about whistleblower
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and former border patrol agent Bob Thompson.
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What was his journey to bring these videos to light?
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And what has this reporting process been like for you?
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I know it's a rigorous one.
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So, Bob's somebody who has been working in national security,
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he's been keeping our borders secure
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and he ended up in essentially the aviation wing
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of Customs and Border Protection,
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making sure that there was adequate monitoring over our borders.
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And as we know, this has been a controversial issue.
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It was a major election issue for the incoming administration.
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There's been a lot of political capital
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made out of pointing out the fact that our borders were, frankly,
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wide open and I got to see that myself
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with our correspondent, Haley Bradley, on the border.
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So, Bob was concerned that inside CBP,
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when he was raising his concerns about these anomalous objects
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being seen by CBP aircraft and by military witnesses
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that he'd spoken to, they just seemed to be in inertia.
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Nothing was happening.
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And you know, I don't think it's a conspiracy, Natasha.
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I don't think there are people inside Customs and Border Protection
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who are basically saying, we've got to cover this up.
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More often than not, the explanation is a simple screw up.
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Nobody wants to admit that they have no explanation.
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And so whilst these objects are breaching airspace
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and coming into areas that are sensitive
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and getting in the way of military aircraft,
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and in one case we know about even colliding with them,
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I think the problem for Bob's bosses was they determined
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to put their heads in the sand because it's just too hard.
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How do you explain something that you can't control?
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And this is the bigger issue with the drones incursions.
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So, we have a huge problem, frankly,
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where drones are breaching US airspace
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and the US government is putting its head in the sand on the issue.
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