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Today we have Dr. Steven Greer in a follow up to his explosive interview that he did on
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Vlad TV a few months ago.
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Thank you for being with you.
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Well, your last interview did huge numbers and caused a lot of controversy in the Vlad
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And what was interesting is that the timing of it came out right when the Congress UFO
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meeting happened in July.
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So based on what you saw in that congressional meeting, what did you think overall?
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Well, it wasn't really a proper hearing because they haven't been authorized to get subpoena
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power, but it was just, you know, that committee, the oversight committee in the house put their
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Now, remember, they had two pilots who were there, one of whom I've debriefed, Mr.
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Fraver, and then a person that I provided information to when he was undercover named
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And, but Mr. Rush was, is not a principle firsthand witness.
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He was recounting information from people such as the, we have 755 firsthand witnesses and
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whistleblowers in the disclosure project community.
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So that's what that was.
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So it was a very initial process.
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There may be another one, but in terms of getting to the bottom of this, you're going
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to have to have hearings that have subpoena power, which unfortunately, very recently, I think
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in the last two weeks, the speaker of the house, or I guess former speaker of the house
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shot down the request that the six Congress people asked for subpoena authorization, which
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has to be approved by the speaker.
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So and the reason that's important, if you don't have subpoena power, the most high value
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whistleblowers on all this aren't going to come step forward.
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They're going to have to be compelled to illegal subpoena.
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So that's one thing just to keep in mind.
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So it was a very initial, and of course, I've been meeting with some number of the people
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in that committee or people I've been briefing, and they were, you know, had asked me to
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what questions to ask.
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But I think that the, you know, the bigger issue is to get to the bottom of something
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that's complex, it's going to take a much more thorough and long-term investigation
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by the U.S. government.
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Remember there are two governments.
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There's the government of that you will all know about from your civics lesson, and there's
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a illegal secret government operating.
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And this is why people like the chairs and the co-chairs of the Senate Intelligence
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and Armed Services Committee keep asking for
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information because they don't have it.
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So the process we're in now is providing through a classified project, those, the information
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and the whistleblowers that they want to hear from.
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But in terms of a public hearing or something that would actually be more on the record
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and not in a classified, what's called skiff, a secure compartment in information facility,
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that's still to be determined.
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That's still something we're working on to get set up.
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Okay, so give me an example of a subpoena that you would like to see that didn't happen
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Well, there are specific people that should be subpoena.
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For example, in our disclosure project, whistleblower community over 750 people.
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Oh, one good example is a man who for 10 years worked in a very secret office in the Pentagon
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dealing with this issue.
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And this was in the early 2000s.
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And he was read into or briefed on 18 of these very sensitive projects, including having
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gone to a facility out in near Fort Sill, Walton, Oklahoma, where there was an extraterrestrial
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vehicle that had been obtained down and that they were studying.
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And another facility outside Seoul, South Korea that has a very large extraterrestrial
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vehicle that's in storage and a lot of the technologies that were being studied.
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He knows where these bases are.
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He knows the compartment code names, all of that.
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But this is someone who has been so intimidated in terms of coming forward that he's going
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to have to be compelled through a subpoena and be protected under federal, martial witness
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So we have dozens and dozens of people like that.
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And in order for them, actually, to get what they're asking for, if you hear the members
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of the Senate and Congress talk about what they're wanting to get, which are information
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of the actual craft, the bodies of extraterrestrial beings that we have, the technologies that
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have been reverse engineered, meaning we've studied these craft since the 40s.
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And now we have man-made craft that go up and around.
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By the way, most of the UFO, UAP sightings people have are not extraterrestrial.
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They're mostly hours, but people don't know it.
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For example, so all of that, we know where these are.
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I have a map, black list site, a black site, so it has 147 black sites on them now.
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And we're handing that over to the Congress and to the White House.
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We know where they are because we have people who've worked in the facilities, who have given
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us information, some cases documents about what's going on there, what's stored there,
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what research and development is happening at specific locations.
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So all of this is to say that there's an enormous amount of data and information we have, but
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you need a mechanism legally to bring it out because number one, as Mr. Grush rightly
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pointed out, people have been killed trying to get this information out.
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And then number two, these people are very afraid for the consequences of doing it without
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some type of subpoena where they're compelled to.
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In other words, they don't have a choice.
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Now, the disclosure project has about 70 top secret guides who've already come forward.
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If you go to my YouTube channel, you'll see their testimony.
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And it's everything people will wonder, where are these people?
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Where they're on my YouTube channel.
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Those are people who are not currently in the system or have were not in a very long-term
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situation, except for a couple of them.
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We have one witness who recently passed away who was on a retrieval team where he handled
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the extraterrestrial bodies or if there were living ones as well.
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And that's one of our YouTube channel, Sergeant Stone.
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So we have these, but we have many, many more.
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And so for this to actually be done officially under oath is going to require a mechanism that
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they haven't yet completed.
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I don't know if they will.
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I'm a little concerned.
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The Senate, majority leader and others have put together a bill that would make all this
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go to an external panel.
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And the external panel would be a bunch of alleged experts.
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And normally, if you look at the history of the subject, the Robertson panel, the
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153, the Condon Committee of 1969, every time something like that is set up, it's actually
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infiltrated by corrupt interests that want to keep the secret and they come up with a predetermined
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conclusion, which is more of the cover up.
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So I don't think that panel is going to cut it.
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I think the only thing that's going to cut it is either we, the disclosure project, and
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we're in the process of setting this up, initiate a civilian lawsuit under Rico.
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And see corporations and individuals, racketeering influence corrupt organization and sue them
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And if that gets admitted into federal court, so we just had a meeting with my legal team
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to pursue that in the event that the Congress drops the ball on this.
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And in this meeting, they're referring to these things as UAP, unidentified, anomalous
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phenomena, which is different than what we grew up hearing, which is UFO.
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Like why the shift from UFO to UAP?
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They just make up a new, off-ascading fake name periodically.
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So let me tell you how this works.
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This is all psychological warfare, you know, propaganda.
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They're not, they weren't unidentified flying objects either because they don't fly
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with any aerodynamics sense of the word.
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We'll talk about how they move.
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There's no aerodynamics to them whatsoever.
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As far as an unexplained aerial phenomenon, it's not just aerial because they've been tracked
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on their water and out of space.
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And also, they're not a phenomenon.
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Ball lightning is a phenomenon.
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These are structured spacecraft, et cetera.
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But they keep coming up with terms that actually are gas lighting.
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Sort of like how words, people talk about how words can be used to actually the vert
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people from the truth by using cleverly composed words.
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In reality, let's just cut to the chase.
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The UAP UFO, there are two types, at least, extraterrestrial vehicles and man-made ones.
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Those are the two, the bigger secret are the ones that my uncle worked for Northrop Grumman,
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his whole career, are the ones that Raytheon and Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Skunkworks
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And those are amazing aircraft that don't have jets, rockets, propellers, nuclear power
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They're using energy from what's called the quantum vacuum or zero point, which we can talk
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We just released a whole film about this called the Law Century, which I'm sure you've
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It's called the Law Century and how to reclaim it.
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But those aircraft have been operational since the mid-50s.
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So between 1940s and 1954, October, huge research and development was going forward at
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my uncle's company and others based on the retrieval of some early extraterrestrial vehicles.
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And they figured out they cracked the code as it were to gravity control.
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Electromagnetic Gravitics back in October 1954.
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Now we know this date because a member of my team had been the top scientist at the
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Naval Research Labs who, of course, that lab is the largest department defense lab.
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It was started by Thomas Edison.
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And he was in the vault, a classified vault where he saw the document stating that.
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So many of these objects people see are in fact hours and they're being used in illegal
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and clandestine operations.
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And the very existence of them is not known by the president and the key people in Congress.
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So let's talk about this congressional meeting in some of the takeaways.
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So one of the things that David Grouch claimed is the government is absolutely in possession
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He said he's absolutely certain of this.
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And he cites interviews.
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He has conducted with 40 different witnesses over a four year period.
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He said that he led defense department efforts to analyze reporting UAP settings and was
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informed of a multi decade Pentagon program that endeavor to collect and reconstruct crash
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When Representative Mosquitz asked him about this in terms of how was funded, he claims that
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it was an effort above congressional oversight and bankroll by misappropriation of funds.
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Does this mean that there is money in the budget that is set to go to a program, but it
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doesn't and it goes to something else?
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He said, yes, I have some specific knowledge of that.
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I mean, of course, now remember a lot of what Grouch found was in part based on what we have
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been providing his superiors.
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So I've been working with, for example, the lead investigators who manage the black budget
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and the three-letter agencies for armed services and intel for quite some time.
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And so based on that information, he was able to confirm, in fact, that's true.
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So I think the audience needs to understand there's a legal black budget.
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In other words, very few people are read into it in Congress and very few people at the
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presidential intelligence level would know.
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And those were legal.
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I'm talking about projects like he was referring to that is basically a misappropriation and
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it often embezzlement of funds from the budget that go into unsanctioned and unapproved programs.
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So that's, let's call that the illegal black budget.
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And the illegal black budget is the big one because that's how you're building these
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And if you look at it, it's very simple.
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I'll give people an analogy and bring this down to earth.
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Let's say that the government, we, the people, are being built $2 billion a copy for the
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In reality, it probably costs around $150 million a copy.
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The other $1.8 or so billion goes through the back door onto unsanctioned and unapproved
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And so we have done a very careful analysis of this.
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There are many departments and agencies in the government that have, in fact, had money,
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it's frankly embezzlement without the knowledge and approval of the Congress or the White House
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to go into these illegal projects.
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So one of the big problems that the Congress is not quite got its mind around is that all
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these operations dealing with UAPs have been run unconstitutionally and illegally since
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Okay, so let's talk about the next topic they got covered over there.
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And that's that non-human biologics were found at a crash site.
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So, so basically what Gruj said that he knows of multiple colleagues who were injured by
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He also said that he had interviewed individuals who had recovered non-human biologics
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He refers to the term non-human rather alien or extraterrestrial.
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Now when he was asked by representative, burlison, to substantiate the crash UAP claim, the former
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television official said he could not divulge the specific details.
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He said it was too sensitive to share with the public.
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He did however say, describe the nature of what he saw.
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He said, I have to be very careful here.
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But what I personally witnessed myself and my wife was very disturbing.
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A Pentagon spokesperson spoke to NBC about this and he claims that all of Gruj's claims
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Nope, they're not false.
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All those who are substantiant, the only part that he has not gotten correct is that he
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doesn't understand that there are a number of humans that have been injured by UAPs, but
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they're not the extraterrestrial ones, so the human ones.
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And this is the big scandal that's being swept under the cover.
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So there are people out there who are actively misinforming people like Gruj, who was not
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read into these projects directly.
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I, for example, just came back from two black sites out west and these two black sites
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for where we have illegal electromagnetic pulse weapons that have targeted ET craft, but
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also have incidentally, if someone flies into that area in a private aircraft or killed.
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We also are, that's a big legal case we may be pursuing.
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The other big problem is that these man-made UAPs have been used to stage false alien injuries.
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And so when you hear about a lot of those, that sort of a psychological warfare program
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that started probably in the late 50s, early 60s, where they used man-made objects that
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look like to anyone who's not educated on the matter would look like an alien spacecraft
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to simulate alien events.
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And so this is a false flag type operation.
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We have a 1953 document from, signed by the director of the CIA that talks about, and
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I'm quoting the psychological warfare value of the UFO subject.
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And then there's another document from 1985 from the CIA that talks about how they were
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using man-made UAPs and think creatures that look like aliens to abduct and kill people
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in Brazil and Argentina.
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Now the renowned astrophysicist, Jacques Valle, has that document but has been intimidated
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not to release it, but he has admitted he has it.
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So this is a very dark pool to dive into what you're bringing up right here.
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But people who were never firsthand in the projects like Mr. Grush, they don't know which
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of these accounts are actually of extraterrestrial origin and which were man-made because the
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stage craft to use a term that exists in a document of staging these is so good that someone
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neutered the subject can be easily deceived.
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And deception is the name of the game with the whole UAP cover up.
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Okay, so another thing that was mentioned during this meeting was a UFO that was spotted
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accelerating at supersonic speeds.
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So David Fraver, a former Navy commander, said the he and three other military pilots
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spotted a white tic-tac-shaped object in 2004, hovering just below their jets in the
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He descended and specced the sighting.
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He claimed that identified aircraft which he said bore no visible rotors, wings or exhausts
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began to ascend and approach his fighter jet.
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He then said that it vanished only to reappear a few seconds later, 60 miles away.
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You know, he told the committee that that technology that he and his team encountered defies
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any kind of logical explanation.
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He said the technology that we face as far superior to anything that we had and there's
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nothing that we could do about it, nothing.
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Well, that's not true because he is a jet pilot is not going to be read into the state
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of the art technology at the Lockheed Skunk Works or at Raytheon.
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So I've spoken to Mr. Fraver and he certainly is accurate in what he described.
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There are sensors and videotape of the object, but that white tic-tac object was actually
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first recorded in 1967 over Pennsylvania and we have a new top secret witness that saw
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it being offloaded off of a C-130 transport vehicle during the first Gulf War in an area
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And that is a man-made one that is most likely out of the Lockheed Skunk Works.
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So unfortunately, a lot of these objects that people have are encountering which are
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very dangerous and how they move are actually human in their construction.
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Now that is a much, much bigger secret than the fact that there are extraterrestrial vehicles
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out there because if that were to be acknowledged, the very first thing anyone with any sense
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is going to ask is how are we building these?
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When that gets answered, it will get answered and when it gets answered, it's the end of
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oil, gas, coal, nuclear power, public utilities and surface roads.
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Because the technology, this is why we put out this film, the wall century and how to
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There's a century of technologies that have been sequestered and the damage that we're
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seeing to the biosphere and the moral poverty that has accelerated over the last 100 years
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is in large part because these sort of amazing sciences and technologies have been kept
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secret and ruthlessly so.
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I mean, I personally know people who have been murdered trying to bring some of these
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technologies out that would take us off oil.
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And I'm not talking a fake Tesla car.
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I mean, the ones that you buy now, a real Tesla would never have to be plugged into a coal-fired
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A real Tesla would be pulling energy out of the fabric of the space around it where there's
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an embedded level of energy called the zero point energy field, which literally the amount
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of space inside a coffee mug has enough potential energy at that zero point level to boil
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off all the oceans of the world.
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It's an enormous amount of power.
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Nikola Tesla called it the infinite energy field.
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But that was quantified, by the way, by Professor Kassamir first postulated in the 30s but
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proven in physics journals in the 1950s.
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So unfortunately, if you're an MIT or Harvard or anywhere else studying physics and electromagnetic
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engineering, you're not going to be exposed to this.
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This is not in the textbooks.
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It's been very highly sequestered and classified, but it's the solution to poverty, global
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warming, all kinds of issues.
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And so, you know, I think that this is a people ask, why would anyone keep this secret?
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Well, I'm telling you why.
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You know, we're talking what, a thousand trillion dollars in assets, in oil and coal and utilities
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and whatnot that would be redundant, unnecessary.
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Now, that's not good if you own an oil field.
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It's very good if you're a human living on planet earth.
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So I think for that to come out, but I think this is the real debate.
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I think we need to move very quickly away from, you know, these sort of ephemeral sightings,
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which we have something like 300,000 accounts of these sort of sightings.
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We have 3,500 aircraft, pilot, encounters like Mr. Fraver described.
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And those have been in reporting systems since the 40s and 50s.
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So that is old territory that they're covering.
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We really need to start getting to the brass tax here because right now what's going
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on is also going along the surface of observed phenomenon.
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There's a great deal more to this than we need to catch up very quickly with this.
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And that's why we're offering the entire disclosure project, intelligence archive to the government.
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And a redacted version of it, we're going to try to make available to you and the general
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public in the media in the next six to 12 months where everything will have will be available
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through like a Wikipedia for all things, UAP and UFO, including all the black site locations
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We have thousands of documents, government and thousands of pages of whistleblower testimony.
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But to be fair, we've always seen technologies get introduced that eradicated billion dollar
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I mean, like electric cars are essentially destroying gas stations right now.
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I've always said, you know, what I got my first Tesla seven years ago, I said, okay,
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in the foreseeable future, you will barely see conventional gas stations anymore because
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this is such a better technology.
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I mean, in Hollywood, you're seeing AI kind of mess with the livelihood of writers.
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It's starting to create its own kind of scripts and everything else like that.
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And in general, if the net results in society is an improvement, why hold back a technology
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that will improve all society if a couple of industries fall by the wayside.
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I mean, that's not the course of the cars in America.
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And now there's barely any horse.
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No, but this is the flaw on your argument.
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There is not a few industries.
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It's the pivotal lifeblood of the industrial world today, which is the energy sector that
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would have to be completely retooled.
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And we're not talking a few billion.
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We're talking over a thousand trillion dollars.
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So the macroeconomics of this and our way beyond, you know, Tesla car, way beyond
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something of digital innovation.
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And this is why it has been kept so secret because now there is one part of this technology
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that should remain secret.
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And I want to be very clear on this.
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The aspect of it that generates energy that would run your car or house, great, that
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should be brought forward.
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That part of it that is gives you basically lift and flight at speeds that are beyond imagination,
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Those should be kept classified because that's obviously a missile and weapon delivery
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I don't think you want every terrorist in the world having access to that, wherein two
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or three seconds they could launch something from Mogadishu over New York and detonate it.
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So there are valid serious national security concerns regarding the propulsion or space transfer.
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Like when he reported that object that was moved so quickly, it was 60 miles away.
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That technology, having studied extraterrestrial technologies that we reverse engineered for
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80 years since the mid, early to mid 40s, that has resulted in some significant developments.
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And the problem is some of those developments need to be disclosed.
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Some of them need to be disclosed later after the world figures out how to handle it so
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it's not another weapon of mass destruction.
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So this is a mature conversation that has not been joined yet because people are still
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scratching their heads.
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So we're always being thrown back to kindergarten.
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When in reality, there were hearings in the Congress in the 60s and 70s.
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There were organizations with whistleblowers and pilot cases better actually than what the
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one Mr. Fraver was involved in back in the 50s and 60s.
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I have them in our archive.
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The question is, why do we keep wanting to go back and hit the rewind button and it's
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sort of in a cul-de-sac going around the circle?
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I mean, I think we need to move it advanced the discussion and also advance the evidence
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Well, you touched on this previously.
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And in this congressional meeting, there was claims of a cover-up.
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So David Grouch said that he faced very brutal retaliation as a result of his allegations.
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He also claimed knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in the course of
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government efforts to conceal UFO information.
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When they asked him, if anyone's actually been killed, he said yes.
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And he said, I'd direct your people with that knowledge of the appropriate authorities.
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Now the Pentagon responded and they denied all of Grouch's claims of a cover-up.
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And a statement, in a statement, a Defense Department spokesman said investigators
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had not discovered any verifiable information, substantiate claims that any programs regarding
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the possession or reverse engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the
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past or exist currently.
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Well, here's the problem.
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How do you know they're lying?
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Their lips are moving.
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So unfortunately, the person who made that statement, who is a spokesperson for the Arrow
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Office, that we have had a number of our top secret witnesses go through, either is
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not informed of what has been provided to that office in a top secret skiff because
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he or she didn't have a clearance or has been directed to say this with knowledge of
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fourth thought, which is a damnable lie.
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What Mr. Grouch said is true about that.
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And while he had secondhand involvement with those folks, as I mentioned, we have over
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1,100 firsthand people that I have debriefed over the years and people much more involved
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than anyone that he had access to.
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And we're asking for a way of mechanism for these people to safely come forward without
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being killed and without being threatened or being imprisoned.
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So I think that, yeah, I mean, the fact that there's a statement coming out from some bureaucrat,
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the Pentagon, is not evidence.
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It's just, it's a, it's a polymer.
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I mean, overall, when you look at this whole congressional meeting, did you learn anything
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from this meeting or was it all stuff that you already knew?
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Oh, no, it was all, I mean, all those people, like Frayver, I had already debriefed, Grouch
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I'd met with them and in communication with for a year and a half almost.
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No, there was nothing at all knew there.
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In fact, you know, what everyone on my team thought was, is the biggest nothing burger ever
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because it didn't even scratch the surface.
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But you know, at least the people like Congressman, Barchett and Luna and Moscow withs and people
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like that I've met with are trying to get to the bottom of it.
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But it's such a complex problem.
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And I want to just say this here, the closer you get to the truth, the less believable it
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And in 1991, as a young emergency doctor, I'm a ER trauma doctor, when I started digging
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into this, I had a member of the intelligence community to say, if you tell the people,
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the actual truth about this, it discredits itself.
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It is so bizarre and it's so unbelievable that it is discredits itself.
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So the truth is actually stranger than the fiction that people are being sold.
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For example, most people wouldn't imagine that in the late 50s, early 60s, we had man-made
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UAPs with things that look like aliens, abducting American citizens.
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We do and we can prove it.
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So this kind of stuff is something out of science fiction, you would think.
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But it makes total sense if you understand what the long-term agenda is to points of
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And keep the technologies under wraps, except the ones we want to disclose, such as fiber
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optics and integrate circuits.
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What have you that were in part empowered by studying extraterrestrial material.
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And then number two, present a false threat from outer space so that as Ronald Reagan said,
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we can unite the world around an alien threat.
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Okay, so there have been a lot of programs, abductions, mutilations, disinformation, psychological
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warfare campaigns that have, and Hollywood movies and internet shows and series and tabloid
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TV that have always presented the boogie man alien.
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Well, that's the one thing to create a new boogie man because the only way to unite a bunch
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of squabbling primates known as homo sapiens, they feel, is to pivot towards fighting something
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So that is a very dangerous and stupid game, but that's the long game they're playing.
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I can assure you that that is the long game.
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Don't forget, Werner von Braun, who invented the rocket freight off Hitler on his deathbed,
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and he told a member of my team, Carol Rodson, who was his assistant, and became the first
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executive in the aerospace industry who was a woman, said that they were going to stage
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an alien threat and it was all false and it was a big global power grab and it was all
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Now we have this on record from her.
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She's up there in years now.
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I think she's about 80, but Werner von Braun died, of course, in the 70s, but before he
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died, he shared this.
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Now, I have heard this from multiple people who have been very high up in the aerospace
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and the intelligence community going back to the 40s, 50s, 60s who dealt with this issue.
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So while it sounds outrageous and it is outrageous, it also happens to be true.
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Okay, so let's talk about Ronald Reagan for a second because that was in my notes as
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In 1974, Ronald Reagan claimed that he saw UFO while on his plane.
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This was back when he was governor of California, just before he was president.
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And from what I read, his staff told him not to mention it publicly at all because they
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didn't want him to look crazy to the voters essentially.
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Right, but then when he was president, he actually had a speech and he said that an alien
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threat would bring the world together.
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That's why I just referred to it.
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What it kind of reminded me of is, well, the original graphic novel of the Watchmen.
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I don't know if you read that or not.
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The movie version is a little bit different.
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The TV show kind of goes along with this.
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But in the Watchmen, you know, graphic novel, the so-called villain, although exactly a
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villain, but he's somewhat of a villain, Ozzy Mondias, basically, you know, it's set
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where the US and Russia are about to launch nuclear weapons on each other and the world
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is at, you know, basically about to go away.
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And Ozzy Mondias created this man-made alien that he dropped in the middle of New York
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city, which caused mass carnage, thousands of people died.
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And suddenly the US and Russia all come together and their best friends and now they partner
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up and nobody wants to kill each other anymore.
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And even though it's a big deception, he's brought world peace.
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Is that kind of what Reagan was talking about in a way?
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It is, but he was a bit deceived on that because what the real agenda is is that this is
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a transnational and global organization running these programs.
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And what they really want is a militaristic, I might even say, totalitarian system where
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everyone gives up their freedoms and security because of this threat, a ledge threat from
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Now one thing that, of course, if you're a thinking person, but most humans are just
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emotional and don't think is that if you're a thinking person, if there were hostile civilizations
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out there and given the fact that we can prove we have been targeting and knocking them
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out of the skies since 1940s, if they were hostile, given the fact that their technologies
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are in the thousands to hundreds of thousands of years more advanced than ours, we would
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I mean, this planet would be a charcoal brick floating through space with no life on it.
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So they're clearly not hostile.
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In fact, I would flip it around.
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The problem in this little corner of the cosmos are homo sapiens with the weapons we have
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and the fact that we have not become what's called a level one civilization, meaning a peaceful
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Look what's going on in the Middle East right now as we speak.
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So I think that this is a big problem, but it's very easy to the jingoistic thing of,
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we like the movie Independence Day with Will Smith, Les Kick, Alien, but right.
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Well, it's very, it was a rallying cry, but who would benefit from that kind of, and
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by the way, Mr. Grush has been deceived with this kind of information, disinformation very
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directly, and I know who's doing it, both doing.
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And if you were deceived in that way, then you would actually win the battle of disclosure.
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And by the way, I'm the founder of the Global Disclosure Project that started in 1993,
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But you would lose the war because the real long-term objective is to unite the world around
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some kind of militaristic authoritarian entity where people give up their freedoms for
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And as Benjamin Franklin's report, they've said, those who give up their freedom for
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security shall have neither.
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This is a very big concern that we have, and that this kind of manipulation is not hard
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to do, and let's not forget.
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There is his recent historic precedent for this.
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We cannot forget the fact that Mr. Shaini sent Colin Powell up to the UN with vials of
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material showing that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction when he didn't have
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And Colin Powell's chief of staff has come forward saying it was the biggest mistake in
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national security history that they were gas lit and deceived.
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And that was the foundation of us invading Iraq, which has led to the fracturing of that
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area in Syria and all the mess in the 20 years since.
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But that was a deceptive operation.
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Everybody heard the Vietnam War?
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The stage or exaggerated attacks on our ships in the Gulf of Tonkin so that humans in Americans
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would become hysterical.
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And Johnson, President Johnson, who was skeptical of expanding that conflict, was pressured
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to vastly expand it to the benefit of whom, the military industrial complex, the very
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profit-centered operatives that are keeping the UFO issue secret.
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And those sort of operations, anyone who knows history can look them up, fact check what
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And those, the big one, however, is this.
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Now I will say an intermediate one between 9.11 and now would be the abuses of power that
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occurred after the COVID pandemic occurred.
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And there were serious, unnecessary abuses of state power.
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And so, but I think that, of course, is one of the big risks of people, let's say,
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bowing down to power when they're afraid.
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When there's fear, the state can run amuck over everyone's liberties.
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And I think people should not be naive about the fact that the announcement that we're not
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alone in the universe, if it is pivoted in the direction that I know the current, they're
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going to try to move it.
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Then we're going to be in a much worse, it'll be planet gulag, if we lock down planet
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So I think we have to be very, very vigilant about this, not just here in the United States,
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but all over the world.
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The reason United States is so key, there are assets in other countries that deal with
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UAPs all over the world, Brazil.
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Raytheon has facilities and their facilities out in the outback of Australia, pine gap,
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and into Great Britain and all over.
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And we know where these places are, and we know what's happening at these places.
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But the big center of power is United States because it's the largest economy, and it's
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also the highest sector and has the biggest R&D aerospace budget from the trillion dollars
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or so in defense, intelligence and other spending.
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So let's say if there's a 10 or 20 percent misuse of funds out of that trillion dollars,
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that's 100 to 200 billion a year.
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And I think that'd be conservative of what's going into these illegal projects.
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So I think because of that, the Congress, which holds the power of the purse, the fun
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And it was mentioned at that committee hearing by one member of the committee that they
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need to start thinking about withholding funding if these agencies and corporations don't
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Well, let's talk about some things that have happened since our last interview with you.
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So I think the biggest thing was Mexico's Congress had a UFO hearing.
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And they pulled out what they say was a thousand year old alien corpse.
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Is this a real corpse or, you know, because from what I read, they're saying this is really
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just like a skull of a llama piece together with some other various animal human bones to
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make it look like something.
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A lot of it's not even symmetrical, like the left to right arm bones don't match and so
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Is there any reality in this at all?
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Honestly, I've known about that for about six or seven years.
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We have never been given access to the material and been able to do genetic studies on it.
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And without a very sophisticated series of genetic studies for what's called ancient DNA,
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old DNA that's not fresh and living, which is his own specialty, by the way, very few places
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can do it in the world.
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You're not going to know what that is.
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And so I can't, I, on the one hand, I can't deny it, but I certainly have no evidence
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as to what it actually is.
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But if you just eyeball it based on all the studies that you've done, does it look remotely
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Most likely not, but I mean, it's theoretically possible.
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Look, the universe is a big place.
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It's theoretically possible.
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There could be some life forms that look like that.
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I just, I'm saying that I can't, I'm not going to make a statement one way or another
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when I have no scientific basis for making that statement.
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And the other thing is that those could be put through an MRI or a CAT scanner where you
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could actually see the morphology.
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I mean, I know exactly what I would do with that if I had possession of it, but I wasn't
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So it's a big question, Mark.
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Ring, the camera company, the door camera company recently offered a million dollars for
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anyone who captures an alien on their actual ring camera.
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Do you think this is just a marketing ploy or do you think there's something to this?
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Well, I actually have a picture on my cell phone of two actual ET's that were present
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at a CE5 contact event if you're closing counters of the fifth kind.
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You can see the film on Amazon Prime or to the, and so it's not on a ring camera.
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So if you could have them contact me, they can send us a million dollars tomorrow.
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Do you have these pictures right now?
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Can you show them on the camera?
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Oh, I'd have to fish them out, but yeah, they're pretty amazing, actually.
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And, you know, he, very triangular-shipe hit, almost like a beak light face.
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It was at an event we did out in the Arizona desert a couple years ago.
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There were about 30 witnesses to this.
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This was, this photograph was taken with a really good Nikon camera by David Marconi,
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who wrote the screenplay for Enemy of the State.
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And it was during a reconnaissance and contact event we were doing there in the desert up
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above Tucson, up, up, up, about four or five thousand feet.
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And it was a very unusual series of events happened.
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We have another one.
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I don't know if I have that one on my phone.
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It happened at Joshua Tree National Park about, I don't know, 15 years ago.
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And quite spectacular, everyone saw.
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And a person took a picture of it.
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Now this was in their low lake conditions, but it's very clear what it is.
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And it's an exotrustal being that sort of levitating floating out in the desert just
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So yeah, we have a lot of unusual material.
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One of the things that we moved forward with in 1990 was concluded.
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Number one, we're not alone in the universe.
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And number two, who's making contact with them, right?
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Not the State Department of UN.
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So we started a project called the CE5 Contact Program.
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And there's an app called CE5 Contact that takes you through all the protocols to be
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And we have had so many thousands of people have sightings and contact events from using
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Now I don't know if anyone has a ring camera that they captured it on, but that's an interesting
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But that's, and the reason that it works is because one of the big problems that you
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get into when you talk to conventional scientists about this, they're all still locked in a paradigm
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of things that are the speed of light or slower.
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If you're interstellar civilization, your central technologies have to go beyond the speed
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Which means you're not going from point A to B at the speed of light.
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Let's say you're from a very nearby star system, a thousand light years away at the speed
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of light to take a thousand years to get there and a thousand years to get home.
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That's the time since the birth of Christ.
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Humans are the same problem.
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What you and I are using is at the speed of light.
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But if you're communicating back to say the Andromeda galaxy, two and a half million light
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years away, it would take two and a half million light years for you to say hello.
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And the other another two and a half million light years for someone to say, how are you
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So that's five million years on a round trip.
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Just hello, how are you?
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So we know that the technologies they have or what are known as trans dimensional technologies.
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This is where you get into what at the CIA, it's called WSFM.
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It stands for weird science and fricking magic.
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And my uncle's old company, Northrop Grownman, it was just called PFM, pure fucking magic.
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Excuse my language, but that's what they call it.
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But it's these sort of very high voltage electromagnetic systems that allow for communication
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basically at the speed of conscious thought.
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Similar to what Neuralin's trying to do with Elon Musk, but without the wires.
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In other words, where there's a consciousness and thought interface with machine.
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And therefore the communication systems are at the speed of a quanta or directed thought.
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It sounds way out there and it is.
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But you would expect, if it's extraterrestrial, it have to be way out there.
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It's not going to be early 21st century schlock.
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Like we're used, I mean, this is garbage, right?
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So I mean, all this tech stuff we think is so vaulted.
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I can assure you is not even a step out of the jungle, one step out of the jungle,
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technologically compared to these civilizations.
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So I think that having studied that, we concluded that you had to sort of create a series,
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sort of a scientific paradigm of how do you communicate with and what kind of phenomenon
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are you going to expect in contact, not with one of the fake man-made UAPs and aliens,
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And the real ones are extraordinarily advanced in their technology, but also in their state of consciousness.
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Because my theory is that once the civilization reaches a certain point,
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what's called a level one civilization where we're peaceful, we have these zero point free energy systems,
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poverty is gone off the planet.
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People turn very quickly to the development of consciousness and intellect.
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And from a spiritual point of view, higher states of consciousness.
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I distinguish spiritual from organized religion, which are often diametrically opposite.
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But I'm sorry to say to those of you who are religious, but that is something that I think happens naturally.
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So civilizations that are capable of reaching Earth from other star systems,
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if they haven't blown themselves up with extraordinary technologies like we have,
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and way beyond what we have, they've reached a certain level of social and spiritual development.
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And so we have to calculate that into our paradigm and go forward accordingly.
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So that's why this is shocking to people.
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The rigidinating event for the whole disclosure movement that's going on today
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was a CE5 contact event on the beach near Pensacola, Florida in March of 1992.
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And I was leading a team for a weekend, 60 people.
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There were two full bird kernels and Air Force people there.
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And four of these ET craft just popped into the sky.
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They didn't fly into this material like boom, boom, boom.
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And we had a very bad quality high-eight camera back then in 92,
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as before any of y'all were alive.
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But 31 years ago, you can imagine, and we didn't have any good equipment,
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but we got it on camera.
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And someone took a photograph and ended up on the front page of the Pensacola paper.
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And that caused the intelligence community contact me, Army Intelligence, CIA, and NSA,
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because they went, you know, what the hell are you doing?
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Because they knew we had cracked the Rosetta Stone of contact with these civilizations, which we have.
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So that ended up being an entree into that whole black world.
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Now early on, about a month or two, about two months later,
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the head of Army Intelligence General Albert Stubblebying the third
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offered me $2 billion to become part of his team and not do what I'm doing now.
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But I wasn't interested in the money, and I was on a path to try to get this information out.
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And have a peaceful paradigm of contact with these civilizations.
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So to me, that's really where we need to be going very quickly,
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because right now, let me tell you what's going on.
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The only people in any official capacity dealing with this issue
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are people doing so illegally under cover of national security,
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using extremely advanced and illegal electromagnetic pulse weapons,
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the target ET craft, and knock them down.
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That has to stop by all means necessary, very dangerous thing to be going on.
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And can I prove that's going on? Absolutely.
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I got the footage and the photographs having just hovered over the black sites
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where this is happening and have the image of the underground access points
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that these man-made UAPs come out of.
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I just came off that mission.
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So I'm going to be handing that over to members of Congress pretty soon.
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But what I'm saying is we need to move off of this militaristic approach to this
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and develop a more diplomatic and peaceful approach,
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or we're going to be in a world of hurt.
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Well, in August, a Harvard professor, Avi Loa,
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said that he found metal in the Pacific Ocean that he claimed came from aliens.
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Well, yeah, I mean, look, there's no question that there have been extraterrestrial encounters
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that go back for thousands of years, if not millions of years on this planet.
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I have no doubt that there are artifacts that are under the ocean and other places
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As to whether there are extraterrestrial, argin, or not,
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again, I would have to see the data and the analysis on it.
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I know that other, there's a man I'm working with,
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I had worked with for years out down there, the Redstone Arsenal,
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in Alabama, Huntsville, who, when they would find such things, he would receive them.
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He was actually working for IT&T, but it was a contract from CIA
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to analyze exactly what Avi was talking about.
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And so I know people, personally, that I've been in his skiff, I've been in his lab.
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I know for a fact that there has been a program acquiring that kind of material
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for decades and studying them.
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And particularly if it's an intact object that looks like it has some technological function,
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this scientist who is a physics and electromagnetic engineering genius
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that I've been working with, he would be asked to figure out how it worked what it did, right?
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So, yes, I mean, those sort of older artifacts exist.
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It's certainly not as dispositive or compelling to me as what's sitting right now
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under certain places like Dugway and Laucleoma and so-called Area 51
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and these black sites near Edwards Air Force Base and other places
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where we have underground, both man-made and extraterrestrial vehicles,
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ETVs is what they're called.
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By the way, no one uses word alien.
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The bodies are called ebans, extraterrestrial biological entities, that's what we call them.
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So that is the fact.
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Now, it's not a bad avenue of exploration to try to find something that might be some debris
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in space or something that's been under the ocean for a long time.
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But I think what we really want to do is pivot towards current operational systems and acquire those.
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Now, I don't know if the Congress, if you're aware of this,
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but the Senate passed and it's pending in the House, although that's all tied up
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because of this in POS with the speakership, a bill that would basically give amnesty for six months
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to these big aerospace industries and individuals that we've named,
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to come forward with the bodies, the craft, the material,
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or they would then, at that point, after six months,
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it's sort of an amnesty period, be subject to criminal prosecution.
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So I think that what we have to be prepared for, if in fact they do not capitulate and obey the law,
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they are going to need to have a law enforcement team stood up
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that has to keep ability to go to these sites and get them under control,
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legal, constitutional control.
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What I want to say to your listeners is that all projects, all projects,
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private, corporate, and governmental, dealing with this issue, are illegal,
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unsanctioned, and unconstitutional.
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Because since 1993, I have brief people like the CI director
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and provided materials to sitting presidents and people on Senate intelligence
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and oversight committees for 30 years.
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And these are people who, if these programs were being run legally,
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they would know because they are the people in the government constitutionally
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who are entitled to know.
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On the other hand, when they have made inquiries,
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they have been denied access or threatened.
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I know for a fact that there are members of Congress as well as members of the executive branch
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who in making inquiries have been threatened.
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It happened to Bill Clinton.
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It happened to Jimmy Carter.
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It's happened to members of the House and the Senate that I know of personally
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for my briefings in involvement.
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So this is a intimidation tactic.
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And this is why I'm giving the message out.
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If you have worked in those projects, you think you signed a non-disclosure agreement
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The reason all non-disclosure agreements are vitiated and neutralized.
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It's because the underlying project that you worked in is illegal.
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Now most people would know that.
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Let's say you're a 2030-40 year old guy working in a compartmental operation for the skunk
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works, Lockheed, or Northrop, or the military.
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You're just following orders, you're right.
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You don't know at the top that those projects are being run as a criminal operation,
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And so until the US government accepts that hard fact that we can prove in a court of law,
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they're going to not be developing the correct strategies about the only strategy they need to do
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now because you heard of the hearing.
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You bring it up to this hearing in July where they talked about, and I talked to Congressman
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Barchett and Luna about this, going to Eglene Air Force Base.
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And gee, knock on the front door.
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Would you let us in and see the secret place here?
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Because they had heard there was.
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Well, they didn't know where it was.
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They wouldn't know the name of it.
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Have a guy who's been in it.
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You can't knock on the front door and say,
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pretty please let me in to an unsanctioned, unconstitutional operation.
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This is like going to a mafia pizza parlor in New York and asking to be taken to the back room
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where they're laundering money.
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Or doing, you know, whatever, some criminal operation.
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They're going to happen.
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So there's a certain naivete in the Congress and the White House, it's got to stop.
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Because they're going to keep getting gaslit and diverted until they accept the fact that
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there is something very wrong here and it's something smells and Denmark here.
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And that it's an illegal operation.
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And you have to treat it as if it's an illegal operation because it is.
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If you treat it as if it's just a compartment at secret operation.
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And somehow nobody you're talking to knows about it, that's the wrong approach.
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That other reason this is important, this is where Mr. Grush made a big error.
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He said, I can't talk about this here.
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I need to do it in a skiff.
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Because you are not bound by a national security oath and non-disclosure agreement.
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Nor are any national security laws applicable.
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If the project involved is itself unconstitutional, that is basic constitutional law.
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We've run this by many constitutional attorneys.
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What I just said is a fact.
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And so that is an error right there.
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Now, if you've come up through that system, you're very much indoctrinated to,
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if you signed a national security non-disclosure agreement and it says silent for 80 years and
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some of them are 80 years.
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You're going to be very reluctant to go outside that because of what you've been threatened with.
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Right? But from a legal point of view, there's no reason for anyone with information on this,
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including documents, material, parts of a craft, they could all disclose it.
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It cannot be regarded as a legal secret as long as the White House and the Congress
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are not allowed to oversee it.
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You can't have it both ways.
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And so you're either going to be within the bounds of the law or not.
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And if it's not, if we're going to accept the civilization dealing with something this important
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that is lawless and above the law, then we're back to the jungle.
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Well, there are various alien videos that circulated.
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Most recently in Las Vegas, where some people claim that there are these aliens in their backyard.
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I watched the video and I could not see these aliens that they were referring to.
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You're familiar with the situation, right?
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Oh, I'm very familiar with it.
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And I've not been able to get anyone on my team who's out in that area to get anything
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that is what I would call actionable intelligence, hard information.
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So look, this subject, it's nine parts, myth, and whatever an embellishment, one part, fact.
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It's very difficult.
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I mean, I've been dealing with this for 33 years.
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And I'm not saying something like that didn't happen.
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There's some camera footage of some object that looked like it was blew up or was it?
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I have seen one thing that looked like a photo of an unusual looking creature in that backyard.
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But we haven't been able to get to the actual officers who were there.
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Or the people who claimed that this creature appeared in their backyard after this object was struck.
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Is it plausible that could have happened?
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Because they're near an area, MOA, a military operating area, that do have systems that can
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target and hit an ET craft.
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And I know where these are around various parts of the United States.
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By the way, in the early mid-90s, I learned that there was one of these.
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It was horseshoe shaped, electromagnetic pulse weapons, along the coast, the Florida,
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along Eglene Air Force Base.
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Whether that's still there or not, I don't know.
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But so it's feasible that that event happened.
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But again, I haven't been able to get anyone to get on the inside and confirm it.
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There's been other videos.
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For example, in 2019, there was the quote unquote,
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You know what I'm talking about?
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It was a character that looked like something out of Harry Potter.
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Essentially, that was wobbling around in someone's backyard on their camera.
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You know what I'm talking about with this one?
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I know the one they call Boo that Stan Romaneck had.
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Let me show you what I'm talking about.
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I'm not sure I'm familiar with that.
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Looks there have been several.
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I always go, well, you know, it's...
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You know what it all comes down to is the provenance.
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What's the provenance of this?
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Let me just show you this video that I'm talking about.
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Always the question.
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Looking, I don't know.
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Looks like an elf or a little troll almost.
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I don't know what to make of it.
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Like I said, this was four years ago.
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Well, again, I haven't gotten access to that original footage
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or talk to the person who took it.
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It's theoretically possible that that was one that appeared and disappeared.
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But the question is, was that an extraterrestrial one or a man made one?
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So it gets a little weirder when you start entertaining the idea
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that we have man-made aliens that would look just like that.
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Wait, so you're saying there's man-made aliens that they've actually bioengineered
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non-human, non-Earth animal creatures that are actually running around?
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Well, that they're used in special operations to abduct people and do things like that.
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Why would you abduct somebody using a man-made alien as opposed to just
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sending in a military person to do it?
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Because they want people to believe that they have been abused by an alien
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so that they can justify interplanetary war,
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is what we were talking about earlier.
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This whole thing is a psychological warfare operation going back
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since 1953, 70 years.
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When they concluded they could use the whole UFO issue
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for its psychological warfare value.
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And I'm quoting from the CIA document we have.
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And that I've provided in briefings to people at the White House and Congress.
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So I think that you have to understand what does that mean.
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It means exactly what you just sold you.
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So let's talk about this.
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There are three different phenomena in mass creating as alien.
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One is actual extraterrestrial.
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The other are what we call stagecraft.
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Like in the early days, we have an Air Force Intelligence Officer
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who's a witness on camera.
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And this is actually in our documentary called Unacknowledged.
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It's had over 700 million people see it.
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You can see it on Amazon or to be or whatever.
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And he states that they had staged these abductions.
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And in the early days,
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we'd take a very short man and then make them up like Hollywood style.
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They'll look like an alien.
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And they'd be put on these man-made UFOs.
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And they would go and abduct people now to what purpose?
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So what we just talked about for this psychological warfare.
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So they could convince brainwash people that there was a threat.
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It's just like chainy marching,
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colon powel up to the UN with yellow cake or evidence that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
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When he didn't, it's all part, it's a deception.
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And so this is where a lot of people get irritated because I'm really the biggest skeptic
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you'll ever run across about about 80 to 90 percent of everything out there that people put forward is alien.
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I'm going, yeah, well, the mutilation's human.
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All those animal mutilation being done by human psychological warfare operations.
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The abductions, same thing.
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These, a lot of these creatures,
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there are many of them are robotic.
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If you look at the ones that people like Stan Romaneck and I have a top secret guy,
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whistleblower has just come forward who he encountered one of these and it tried to attack him.
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It thought it was skin.
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And when it tore open, there were all these integrated circuits and fiber optics and wires under there.
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But it looked exactly like that thing you just showed.
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And that was, he absolutely man made.
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And then there's one other level and those are what are called PLF's program life forms.
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And these are biological.
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So let's say you have an ET that you've captured that's dead.
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You take the genetic material and everyone knows we've cloned things like sheep and what have you.
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But then you put integrated circuits in the cerebral cortex and that biological alien is sort of a program life form
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that can then be used in a deceptive operation.
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Now a few minutes ago, I told you the more in-depth we get into this, the crazier it's going to
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sound, but it's true.
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Let's put a pin in that.
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What do you think has happened?
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When Grush and others say, you know, we've had these craft, we reverse engineer them.
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Imagine having over the years, trillions of dollars and some of the smartest scientific
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minds I have ever met, working in these deep black projects.
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There have been amazing paydays, not just on energy and propulsion and communication.
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And weapons, good on biology, in my sphere, medical.
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And so it's a mistake to think that that has not been exploited and bent to the purpose of these
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deceptive indications and warnings as they're called are deceptive false flag operations.
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So that is exactly what was decided in the 1950s and they have done it very, very professionally.
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Occasionally, some facts leak out like that CI document talking about the CI-stage
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in abductions for their psychological warfare value in Brazil and Argentina.
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And it said alien abductions.
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Same thing with what the Air Force Intelligence Officer Mr. Dodie said about in the United
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States where they had done these abductions using various stage crafting.
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Now we've known of this. This has been documented by researchers since the least in 1980s before
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I got involved. And we have further documented it, but this sounds so outrageous and unbelievable.
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Unfortunately, both the general public and the Congress go, boy, this is a bridge too far.
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We can't wrap our mind around that.
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You know, they're still trying to figure out what that thing is that Mr. Fraver chased the tick
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and they don't even figure that out yet because that was ours.
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That was almost certainly from the Lockheed Sconquarks.
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Well, yeah, I mean, when you talk about alien abductions, the one term you always hear is anal probes.
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Right. Down to the first episode of South Park,
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Karthman gets, you know, abducted by aliens and they do anal probe to the point where like a satellite
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comes out of his butt.
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You go by the end of the episode.
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What is it about aliens and anal probes that seem to go hand in hand?
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Well, it's all, it's also ridiculous.
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You know, you always have to ask the question, you're going to go through interstellar space
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and you need to take, you know, your sperm and her egg and create some.
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I mean, this is just all nonsense, but the public is actually very gullible to believe this
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because it's been in movie science fiction, UFOology for decades.
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And also, there's another problem.
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Humans are very easily brainwashed about something that looks different from them
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that they should hate.
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This is the root of, you know, you look at chimpanzees, where 98% are the same.
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They've done studies how chimpanzees organize into troops and engage in warfare.
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So what humans have this sort of genetic original sin is this proclivity that we want to kill
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or fight anything that is different from us, whether it be a gay person,
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whether it be a different color or a different race, a different nationality,
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a different religion, look at the Middle East.
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And so that is being exploited by people who understand deeply the foibles of human psychology.
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And that's why psychological warfare or programs like this are so effective.
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Now, they're only effective if people were tricked by them.
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We were tricked after 9-11 with Iraq having weapons and mass destruction.
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We were tricked in Vietnam.
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The only question I'm asking people, we're going to be tricked again.
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I always like to say it's like the who.
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We won't be fooled again.
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Well, that was in the 70s, right?
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Or 60s, I hate to tell the who.
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We have been tricked again and again and again.
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The question is, are we going to be fooled again?
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And right now, unfortunately, with the buffoonery going on here in Washington,
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and with the UFO subject, I'm a little concerned we may be tricked again.
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All right, because we talk about that, the most recent phenomenon that happened was the bigfoot video from Colorado.
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Have you seen this thing?
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No, I actually have never really delved into the bigfoot allegations.
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I actually don't know anything about it.
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Right, there's a video of a so-called bigfoot in Colorado.
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There's going to be sightings of the Loch Ness monster.
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Someone clearly finally got a picture.
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But ultimately, for example, when I had Neil deGrasse Tyson on my show,
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and he's a renowned astrophysicist and so forth,
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his take on various things.
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When I asked about aliens, he said, look,
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ultimately, when you look at the world, most people have a high-definition
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camera phone in their pocket that they carry everywhere.
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This was not true in the 90s.
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It wasn't true any time before then.
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But now, most humans have a 4K or at least 1080p camera everywhere they go.
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And yet, you have not seen any sort of video that has been released
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that beyond a shadow of a doubt says, this is either an extraterrestrial being or a spaceship.
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You said, you're telling me there's an alien in front of your airplane,
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and the best you could do is a fuzzy monochromatic tick-tack.
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And it's in our atmosphere.
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It's there, and the plane can see it really.
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Not only that, but there's six billion smartphones in the world.
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Last time I checked.
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In each phone, you can take high resolution photographs of video.
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If a kitten jumps from the table to the back of the couch and falls, it goes viral.
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Do you think if anyone has a video of an alien, it wouldn't go viral?
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Nowadays, you can stream what your phone sees.
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If an alien is taking you into a flying saucer, you can stream that.
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In the area of the smartphone, there's no such video.
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So basically, you're saying that all these UFO sightings,
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none of them are actual extraterrestrial alien objects.
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That's not what I'm saying.
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I'm saying, if you want to declare that, the evidence is insufficient
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to convince someone who's an authentic skeptic.
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You want it to be an alien.
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That'd be extraordinary if it's an alien.
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But it's just, it's a light doing things in the sky that you can't explain.
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Everything that comes out is always fuzzy and weird.
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Like I said, that last Vegas video.
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I sat there, watched it, and they're claiming that these giant aliens are the background.
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How do you explain that?
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Because what are you saying is a lie.
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I mean, he hasn't looked at the evidence.
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There is an enormous number of very high quality photograph video
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of these objects in craft.
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And also, the military is acknowledged.
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They have them, and they're more in their collection.
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So for him to say that would indicate to me that he's actually
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carrying water for people trying to advance the cover-up.
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Anyone who would just read the book,
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disclosure or unacknowledged, that has all these accounts and images and photographs
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and government documents.
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Knowing can look at that evidence that has been put on a silver platter.
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So someone who is allegedly a scientist to make a statement like that
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just means that he's either completely closed-minded and brainwashed or is
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knowingly lying to the public.
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There's only two choices there because the evidence is there.
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Now, if you haven't looked at the evidence,
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then you can have an opinion, but it's not a valid and informed opinion.
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So as a Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said,
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion,
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but not to their own set of facts.
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So we have abundant numbers of photos and videos and all of that.
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And let's not forget that the best quality material
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is very rapidly taken into these covert programs,
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and you're not going to take that out of a skiff,
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You can't take a piece of paper out of one of those facilities.
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You take nothing in and you leave with nothing.
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I know I've been in these places.
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So you're not taking anything in.
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So, and it's not as if these ET vehicles and beans
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are landing willy-nilly just saying,
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hi, how are you doing?
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So to the extent that we have any evidence in the public domain
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is really quite extraordinary, but there's plenty of it.
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We have an excellent photo.
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For example, the Costa Rican government
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gave me the original negative from a survey plane
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of taking a surveying of the countryside near Lake Audinol in DuVolcano.
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And underneath is this seamless ET disk coming up.
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And I have the negative.
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I published a photograph.
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The Vancouver Island daytime photograph of a seamless disk
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There could be deep fakes.
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We have a lot of this.
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So for him to say that doesn't exist is simply a canard.
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Well, in June of this year, a lawyer came out and claimed that
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his client had witnessed a UFO that distorted space and time.
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So the story goes like this.
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I guess they had found some sort of object and they used a bulldozer to pull it out.
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When he came out, it looked like a pie slice.
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They didn't want to destroy it.
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So they had one of the guys go into it.
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And I guess on the outside, it was relatively small.
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But when he got inside, it was the size of a football stadium.
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He started freak out.
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He started feeling nauseous.
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You know, because on the outside, it was only 30 feet in diameter
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with a football field on the inside.
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He came out after a couple of minutes.
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But from the outside, it was like he was in there for four hours.
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And they claimed that this is a time distortion, a space distortion,
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piece of technology.
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He's related with this?
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I know a number of people who have been in special operations where they've
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had that experience with these objects.
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In fact, one of our retrieval team members who was north of Area 51 in a remote base,
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maybe a decade ago, they had targeted and stunned a fairly large GT craft that came down.
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Did not disintegrate.
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It was intact, but stunned.
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There were two manmade triangular
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antigraves in the air.
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And they were this member was flown in on helicopters with Delta Force people
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This object actually came back to life as it were.
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And he had an encounter with two of the occupants.
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But this object, once it got operational, the man made
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UAPs took off because they knew that we had any get out of here.
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But all the helicopters and all the men on the Delta Force and these other workers
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were instantly space.
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There was a time space snap where they were teleported back over 100 miles
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to their helicopter base, their helo base.
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And I have heard of the absolutely that technology is real.
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And it's understood actually.
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By classified science researchers.
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Well in 2003, they say that a football sized object
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craft hovered over the Vanneberg Air Force base.
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And I guess this was discussed in the House of Representatives hearing on UFOs.
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Yeah, they're many of these.
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I mean, some of them are the size of football fields.
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I mean, remember our new whistleblower, the Marine,
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who came across a man made one in Indonesia during that earthquake in
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tsunami in 2009, Michael Herrera, he and his five platoon buddies came across a man made one.
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That was as big a round as a football field as long.
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And there were special operators, black operators, forces there.
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And they were transporting human slaves and weapons.
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So there's a huge human enslavement trafficking part of these covert programs.
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When it took off, it took off like a spark off of a grinding wheel.
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It just it covered, made a transformer sound and then boom,
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was over the horizon instantaneously thousands of miles per hour.
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So, you know, and he is willing, he is willing to testify under oath to that.
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And he's in touch with his five platoon buddies.
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Now, they were almost all killed.
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He's one of the few people I know who stumbled across an operation like that that involves
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drug and human trafficking that these covert programs are doing that have not been just shot
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and killed instantly.
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And the reason he thinks he wasn't is that there was a whole operation there
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from his ship that would have heard that and seen they were missing.
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And so they let them go, but they threatened to.
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They put guns right to their heads and took their weapons and took everything.
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So, I have heard these accounts many times.
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So, one of the big problems is that these covert programs, there are some really rogue elements
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of them that are using these advanced technologies that look like an alien spacecraft,
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a UAP, in human trafficking as well as in drug running and arms running.
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And that is a big source of income because it's all in cash.
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I have a man who is at Dugway Proving Grounds, a huge remote site in Utah,
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where the largest underground basis.
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And he said that all transactions in this sector that he worked in, and we have the name of the
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sector and his location was in cash, all cash.
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And a lot of that cash is coming from these sort of clandestine and illegal activities.
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Well, what I don't understand is this, when you look at air travel.
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You know, I took a plane yesterday from Los Angeles to New York.
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It took approximately five hours.
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When you look at air travel technology, it hasn't really progressed very far from like the 60s.
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You know, I don't want to have any of the 60s that might have taken an extra hour, hour and a half at the most.
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Now, it has been essentially flying a plane in 2023, takes about as long as it did
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So how do you, how could you say that there's this technology where air travel could go at the speed
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of light or instantaneous or so forth, and yet this huge multi-billion dollar
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airline industry is still using 1960s technology?
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Because they're not allowed to use this technology because it's been kept extremely secret
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and anyone who tries to move it forward is killed.
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I mean, this is not hard to figure out.
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I mean, if people are naive in thinking that a group like this doesn't use lethal force,
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you know, I have a bridge to sell you in some swamp land in Florida.
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I mean, these are ruthless.
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One of the things that Mr. Grush said to me part way into his journey in this,
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he was still undercover to where he came out publicly in the previous year.
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He says, these guys are thugs.
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And I had warned them.
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And I'd warned his his superiors that you're dealing with some of the most thug-ish,
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criminal, violent sociopaths you will ever deal with who run these projects.
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And that's what he said.
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So, you know, there's this, there's sort of this ban be like, I mean, imagine
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something a thousand times more lethal but high tech than the Gambino crime family or the cartels
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in Mexico running these programs.
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Get your mind around that and you'll begin to get close to what you're up against.
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So, you know, no aerospace, no airline executive or aerospace company is going to march these
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Are they allowed to be disclosed?
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What we're advocating for is that the matter be disclosed.
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The things that fly be kept classified, but the energy systems.
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See, this is what we advocate in the wall century that this documentary we just released,
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is that those technologies that would end poverty at least fix pollution and all these other
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problems and also energy independence, every village and house would be energy independent,
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Because you're not getting energy from external.
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It's a device sitting there looks like a heat pump running your house, your car, whatever.
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Those technologies need to be out a hundred years ago, right?
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No, I do, as I said earlier, I think things sort of move at that kind of velocity.
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Obviously, anybody can figure out you could make that into a weapon delivery system.
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Well, there's a lot of other uofologist outside of yourself.
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And one of the more known ones is Bob Lazar.
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Very, very interesting figure.
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He claimed that he was hired in late 80s to reverse engineer extraterrestrial technology.
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He supposedly worked at a secret site called S4, which was near area 51.
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He says he's examined alien spacecraft and read US government briefing documents to describe
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alien involvement in human affairs over the past 10,000 years.
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Now, in general, people have dismissed him.
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Part of which he has a bit of a criminal record.
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Yeah, 1990, he was involved in a prostitution ring.
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In 2006, he was a restaurater for selling illegal chemicals.
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Journalist Ken Lane states a lot of credible people have looked at Lazar's story and have
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rationally concluded that he made it up.
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And that's why when we did the disclosure project in 2001 and the most recent one,
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we have not included that testimony because number one,
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we need corroboration of it, which we've never been able to get.
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Now, remember, when I'm, this information I'm giving you, it isn't from one
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Often there are dozen people who have explained the same thing who aren't knowing each other,
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aren't in collusion, have been in different commands or different locations.
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So we try to do that very carefully.
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So someone like that, I can't say it's true or not true.
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There's been no one who has been able to corroborate it.
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But here's something I can corroborate.
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S4 is real, S2, Pahoot Mesa, Groom Lake.
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We have a current whistleblower who for several years worked in that area.
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And another one who was there around the same time, dealing with the ET
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issue as well as the man-made AT Advanced Technology
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Some people call those ARVs, Alien Reproduction Vehicles.
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And so is there a compound and an underground dumb,
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their deep underground military base there?
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Does it deal with this issue?
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Now, beyond that, the other specifics of what he's related, we haven't been able to confirm.
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Well, Obama did an interview with Stephen Colbert.
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And when Obama said it was when he first got into office and became president,
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he said, hey, show me the secret laboratory with the Alien Corp.s in it.
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And he said outright, there were none.
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Now, he did say that there's videos of objects, flying objects out there,
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and they don't know what they are.
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But unlike the Independence Day movie, he's claiming that even at the office of
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presidents, there is no lab with like a corpse of an alien sitting there where people are
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poking around at it.
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Well, not knowing. He would be denied access.
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Remember what I told you when I briefed President Clinton's CI Director in December of 1993,
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it had been made very clear to him the president as well as the CI Director that they would be
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denied access to that. So one of the big issues here is this is how we have made the statement
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that these projects are being run unconstitutionally because the key people in the Congress,
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as well as numerous presidents that we've dealt with have been deceived or flat out denied access.
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In a subsequent interview, Obama admitted that we can't talk about that and we don't get much access
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to it. Bill Clinton, I can't say who he was in a limousine with, but I know him. He's on my team.
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After he left the presidency, he was there with a superstar and this particular producer and Hollywood
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who's on our team. And they asked about the UFO issue and Clinton said, oh yes, they exist,
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but I wasn't allowed to know much about it except some materials were put together for me so I
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could investigate it. And that was the presidential briefing document that I did.
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But he said that George H. W. Bush, who was a member of this committee keeping the secret,
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came to him and threatened him and said, this is none of your business but out. Now this is to
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a sitting president. People need to understand that is actually what's going on. Everyone's still
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living in high school civics lesson where the president has an all-excess pass, the oversight
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committees of the Congress gets clear access to any operations. This is a myth. I mean that
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went the way of all flesh in the late 1950s, which is why Eisenhower, when he left office,
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gave that famous speech, but where the military industrial complex. He was an anti-military. He was
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a five-star general in World War II and a two-term Republican president. That statement wasn't made by
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you know Abby Hoffman or some 60s radical dropping LSD with long air. This was a conservative Republican
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five-star general president. And the reason he said it. And we know this from someone who worked
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in the White House with him the last year that he was alive, who was on our team who's since passed
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away. Stephen Lovekin. That he was being denied control over these programs even though he knew
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about them and that this whole matter had been taken into an unsanction and unsupervised operation.
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Somewhere between 1955 and 60. Somewhere in that period. A lot of times you see these ancient
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structures and people claim that they are made by aliens. The pyramids of Giza, Stonehenge
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in the UK, Machu Picchu in Peru. Is there any proof at all that these were simply manmade
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with you know just some smart mathematicians behind them? I personally don't see anything alien
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like when I go to the pyramids of Giza. You yourself. Do you see any sort of connection between
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those two things? Well honestly I don't necessarily think that there were the 18s that made them.
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I think there could have been some extraordinary technologies that were used. For example
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there is a record of technologies that exist on earth, the civilization more advanced than we are now.
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And the question is were there some use of some type of electromagnetic levitation technologies
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that were used? The other problem is even when the Smithsonian paid $5 million to simulate
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using mathematics and the technology that archaeologists existed back in the time of the pyramids.
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Those obelisks like the Washington Monument but those were all one big piece of stone. They
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couldn't raise the smallest one with everything we know now about mathematics and engineering
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with what's been partially. So there's something that doesn't add up there. But I think it's a bridge
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too far to claim they were built by ETs. But they were certainly their construction and the
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precision of the stone's cut, how far they were moved, how they were put into place. There are a lot
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of questions I have but I have no proof of how that might have happened except the man I referred
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to earlier from Redstone Arsenal area who is given material occasionally. He's not always
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extraterrestrial. He has been given objects that are tens of thousands of years old or older
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that are technological that have been found in the ocean and elsewhere that are of human origin
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and were extremely advanced technologies. So I believe that it's likely that on Earth,
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prior to the modern era, there have been civilizations far advanced beyond where we are.
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For which we have very little record and when that record is found, I think it's kind of swept
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under the carpet. It was interesting. There were years ago when they did the Mars images and they
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found that there were these oblusts and strange-looking objects on Mars. I went out to the Goddard
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Space Flight Center here outside DC to meet with Mark Carlotto and some other scientists there and
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they said, yep, it's been pixelated out for the public but there are structures there.
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Though very ancient but we're talking millions a year old, millions. I was out in California after
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I had disclosed this to some people and a man came up to me from JPL, Jet Propulsion Labs and
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I didn't know him. He knew who I was and said, Dr. Here's the issue. You're right, those exist but
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we can't disclose that. I said, why? It's not an operational ET device. It's not, you know, it's old.
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He says, yes, but you don't understand how powerful this information is. I said, why? He says,
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if this was disclosed, it would collapse the fundamentalist Orthodox belief systems of every
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religion on Earth. I said, what? This science and this evidence is being kept secret for religious
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reasons. He says, yes, because the creation myths, now I'm not talking about most people but those
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sort of fundamentalist Orthodox belief systems, they'd all crumble. They'd be completely gone.
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And you would have to come up with something a little more rational, right? Then the world is
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6,000 years old and we used to ride dinosaurs like horses. If you go to the Creation Museum in Kentucky.
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So this is true, by the way. Those of you in urban areas, you need to kind of wake up a bit
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about the rest of the world. But that's just how it is. So what I tell people is that some of
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this evidence has been kept secret, not for scientific reasons, but for social belief and how much
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that information would disrupt most people's foundations of their paradigm and belief.
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Well, I mean, back in the day, thousands of years ago, this was true. I mean, when scientists
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said that the Earth was round, they were putting jail and they were executed, saying that
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the Earth was not the center of the universe, was heresy. In fact, for hundreds of years,
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if not thousands of years, people thought that the sun and the moon's rotated around the Earth.
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And when basic astronomy showed that wasn't true, they said, oh, well, there's
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little semicircles that they were doing around the Earth to try to somehow justify it. And then
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that didn't work until finally someone said, okay, the only plausible explanation is that the
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sun is the center of this universe and all the planets rotate around it and all those pieces
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fit together. But in 2023, science is out there and so forth. So I don't, I mean, religion is not
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a very rational way. You did in two, three thousand years ago, even a thousand years.
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But why would people get the feathers ruffled over this?
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Because there are still huge numbers of people in our country and around the world
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who are not rational and scientific. They're really based on these belief systems, which would
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be upended. And this guy was very blunt about it. And I think he's quite correct.
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So for example, we might find out that the origins of Homo sapiens altogether
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isn't what we think, either Darwinian or other. So there are all kinds of implications to this issue.
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There's one of the things when I was out at Lawrence Rockefeller's ranch back when we were
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setting up things for the Clinton administration back in September of 93 out of the T-tons. And
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he took me out at night on the deck and he said, look, he said, Dr. Greer, no aspect of life on earth
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will be unaffected by this being disclosed so vast and so large are the implications. I said,
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yes, Lawrence, that's why it's been kept so secret. So now we're touching on another whole area
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of concern. And that is, I don't think most rational, religious and spiritual people would have a
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problem with the fact they don't think the world's 6,000 years old. And there's no reason for them
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to think that a supreme being would leave all their hopes for intelligent life just in humans.
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God help us, right? So, but you know, there are a large number of people and around the world
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a significant number of people who would have find that very upsetting. So that's been another
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consideration. It's easy for hyper rational Westerners who live in urban areas to brush that off.
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But if you go around the world and we're talking a world of 8 billion people,
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not they're not all like you in New York.
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Well, I mean, you're talking about essentially the missing link, right? In terms of,
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you know, the Darwin philosophy is that humans evolve from monkeys, but they can't find any DNA
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that is the link between monkeys and humans. It just, not that it doesn't exist, it just hasn't
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been found. Hasn't been found. We've been constantly, you know, you constantly hear stories of,
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oh, we just found this one ancient human here. We found this ancient monkey here. But yet,
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they can't link the DNA from a monkey to a human to show that it actually evolved from one to
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another. So people aren't really sure. People aren't really sure where humans came from completely.
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To be honest, I can speculate, but I don't have the proof. I suspect there has been
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some interface between early hominids and
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life forms that are more advanced from other star systems that could have resulted in us.
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Now, can that be proven? Probably the people who have the bodies of the ECT folks maybe could prove
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that, but I can't. I'm speculating. So now the other big question becomes, there was a group of
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computer scientists a few years ago that calculated that the, the genetic, let's call it the genome
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of the whole planet, all the genetic material in life. For it to be here would take about four and a
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half billion years under normal mutation, Darwinian selection. But there's only been life owners
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for 700 million years. So how did that accelerated diversity and biodiversity happen on this planet
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because it doesn't fit any of the mathematical and scientific models for natural selection, natural
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mutations, etc. And so they brought this up only as a big question without an answer. So I think
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there are a lot of questions. I mean, most of what I think we need to find out and discover
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isn't known yet, but I think that this area of UAPs and extraterrestrial intelligence is going to hold a
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lot of the keys to it, which I think is very exciting in many ways. But those issues I think are
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secondary to the problems with governance, the misuse of these technologies by an unchecked power
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up to an including weapons of mass destruction and all kinds of trouble being created around the
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world. And also what we've lost is why called the law century. Why are we still burning jet fuel
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and oil and gas? And your electric car is plugged into a coal fired and gas fired powered grid.
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Not to mention the 900 pounds of lithium ion batteries or an environmental holocaust. So there are a lot
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of really kind of good feel good environmental things out there. And I have the largest legal solar
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farm in Virginia at my farm in Virginia near Thomas Jefferson's house, but it won't even run the
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house. And it, you know, it was a huge investment. So the problem is is that we're facing some really
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existential crises. And we're fiddling while Roamburns. We really need to bring out these
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here to four classified technologies that would fix it. I think the problems we're facing have a
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solution that already exists, but they have to be disclosed careful.
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Well, yeah, I remember discussing there were some articles that were circulating where some people
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had theories that religion was actually introduced by aliens in an effort to keep humans from
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just killing each other early on. You know, me personally, I'm not very religious, but I can't see
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how religion has kept societies, especially more ancient societies together and being kind to one
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another and having a set of rules that everyone abides by as opposed to I'm hungry. I'm going to
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take whatever I need. I don't like this person. I'm going to kill whoever I want to kill. You know,
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there is some sort of basis of it. And people are saying that this was something that,
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you know, I mean, there's always the theories that aliens have come in during key parts of human
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history to try to sway humans from destroying each other. You know, do you have any sort of
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thoughts on this or have you heard anything substantial behind these types of theories?
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Yeah, I don't know that the origins are of extraterrestrial, you know, basis for religions. I think
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that there had been a number of things in ancient times that you could easily mistake as supernatural
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that was extraterrestrial. Now, let me explain why. If you were to go back 200 years and show Thomas
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Jefferson your cell phone or an eyewatch or whatever, it would look like magic. And if you were in
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Massachusetts in Salem, you'd be burned at the stake as a witch. So, you know, one civilization's
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everyday technology is a less developed civilization's magic. So I think that there have been
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events that have occurred in the past that have been mythologized in various traditions that may
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very well have been some sort of extraterrestrial phenomena. And that would make a lot of sense
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because how would you know otherwise? It's like the gods must be crazy that movie if you were ever
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seen it. Yeah, I saw. Yeah, where you know, someone throws a coke bottle or something out of
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a airplane and it becomes this object of great wonder and then fighting over it. And then they're
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having a holy war over this thing, right? And that's a movie, but it was really more based on the
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what we call the cargo cults and the Pacific during World War II. There were islands that had never seen
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human advanced technologies such as airplanes and one landed. And when we came back, they had made
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a whole statue like a god to the pilot and the airplane. It's a great book. And it shows how humans
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can take something they don't really understand and turn it into an object of religious reverence.
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Right? I'm not saying that all religion is based on that at all. I'm just saying that
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there certainly has been some crossover of people having experiences with extraterrestrial
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intelligence because the experiences my group have had with these civilizations,
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boy, they'd be very easy to confuse that with something from another, you know, an angelic realm
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or something like that. If you didn't know what the distinctions were. By the way, you know,
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people bring up things like Bigfoot, what have you? One last category of strangeness I haven't
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discussed that's also gets thrown in here in the blender of confusion. The great scrambled
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cuavos of our brains is the things like that that are actually interdimensional. So there are
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phenomenon that are emerging from other dimensions that occasionally interface with this dimension of
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3D space time and people will call them alien, but they're not. So this is a little more of a nuance,
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but since you brought it up earlier, I thought I'd provide that point of clarification. A lot of
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people will see something like that and there is evidence for strange, like stranger things,
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right? And those can be from another dimension, but they're not extraterrestrial. An extraterrestrial
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biological entity is from another star system and planet, but here's where you get the
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crossover confusion. To go from point A to B, they are dropping out of linear space time and
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traversing other dimensions. So some of the phenomenon that's extraterrestrial looks very,
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very close to something from another dimension. You know, almost like poltergeist or what have you.
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So all of this has to be I wrote a whole section of one of my books on extraterrestrials and the
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new cosmology that we sort of need a new cosmological order and phyla and understanding to be able to
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distinguish between man-made stagecraft, extraterrestrial and other, let's just call it weird stuff and
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strange stuff. But what we live in a time where people don't want to exert the intellectual discipline
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to do that new on scene and they just lump everything together. So now the alien is so pop,
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you know, why don't you use the word alien? Because to me, alien has become sort of a catch-all term
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for everything people don't understand. And in reality, it's several things.
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Well, when I asked Neil deGrasse Tyson if he believes in God, the first thing he said was,
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which God are you talking about? Because there's been thousands of gods throughout human history. But
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to be specific, he said based on all the, you know, the learning that he's done about the universe,
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he can't find any evidence that there is some sort of intelligent being that sort of supersedes
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the universe that somehow directing the universe in certain types of ways. He finds it all to be random.
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So when he said you believe in God, is there, is it, which God? Is it Zeus? Is it Poseidon? Is it
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the Jewish God? Is it the Christian God? Because the Jewish God from the Old Testament is filled with
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wrath, okay? All right. And smoting and smiting and whatever the past tense verb is. And so
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and the New Testament, God is kinder. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So you look at all of this
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and I say, is that the God you want me to comment on? Or is there some other God? Typically, it's the
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Judeo-Christian blend there. In that context, I would say in my studies of the universe, I value
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evidence and I don't see evidence for any kind of active intelligence or power over anything.
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You know, when you look at any sort of phenomenon, yes, a phenomenon happened, but randomly other
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phenomenon's what happened as well. So based on all, you know, your learning throughout, you know,
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your time here on earth, do you believe in God and are you religious at all?
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Oh, yeah. Believe in God. And I believe in these other dimensions in and after life. Because when I
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was 17, I died at an extraordinary near death experience. But as far as organized religion,
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there's the good in the bad and all of them. And I tend to be aware that
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demagogues have ruined almost all spiritual traditions. And I can't think of one that hasn't
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been corrupted by men. Okay. But yes, I do believe there is. And the word God is, you know, sort of
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misused. I'm referring to sort of an unbounded conscious, intelligent, supreme being, right?
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I'm not talking about somebody statue or idolatry. So yes, I'm quite sure that exists. And in my
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own life, I've seen great evidence of it. And frankly, before I was a doctor, I was,
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everybody to ask, was I dating myself here. I was a meditation teacher. And I was with the Maharishi
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and went all over in the early 70s, setting up meditation centers. And the reason I did was
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after my near death experience, which I did have an experience of that sort of universal aspect of
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our own consciousness, I discovered that the nature of conscious awareness itself at its
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deepest level is that great being. It is an amazing experience. So I don't, I think people are always
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looking outside when they should discover it inside. You know, you talked about how, well, you said
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you'd actually met an alien being before. And you also pointed out the different various types of
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aliens that you said have made contact with Earth over the years. Now, are any of these aliens
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humanoid enough to actually mate with actual humans and create mixed human alien offspring?
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I doubt it. There are some species, there's one species in particular would look like first
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cousins, but what I know about embryology and reproduction, I'm not so sure that that would be
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possible without it being done artificially. Now, I mean, obviously with CRISPR and with cloning
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and other technologies, you could do some things. But in terms of, let's just call it normal
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reproduction, I doubt that very seriously. All right. I mean, you need to really be aligned
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in terms of your DNA to create offspring. So for example, a donkey and a horse could have sex,
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but they'll create a mule. Right. Cannot recreate itself. Right. But they can't actually create a
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mule. They can create a genetic offspring that's a mix between the two. It just can't reproduce.
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So yeah, so this gets into this whole question of have these sort of experiments been done in
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classified projects and the answer is yes. And so there's some rather monstrous
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programs that would make Mingala and Nasi Germany, the doctor there who did all these horrible things,
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with human experimentation would make him blush. And I know about them and I know people worked in them.
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So have there been some of these things done by humans, not by the ETs? Yes. And you know, you get
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into some very strange life forms that's called them that are look partially human, partially
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extraterrestrial as a result of these programs. I know there's one that was operational out at
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Dougway proving grounds in Utah. We have a man who was there saw this. So there it's scientifically,
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there's no reason why a bunch of mad scientists in covert programs with what they have couldn't do it.
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And my problem is to what end and under what ethical universe. But also could these objects,
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these sort of life forms be used again in a deceptive operation? The false flag, yes. So this is
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one of the big problems is that this is like a stinking onion. You pull this back and it's one
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layer after another. You think you've gotten to the center of it. There are 30 more layers. And
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that's unfortunately what I've been trying to do for 33 years. But and every time I think I've hit
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the end of how gruesome and crazy these covert programs get, I hit another sub-basement of crazy.
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And I just learned of the worst one two weeks ago. And what is that?
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I mentioned what Michael Herrera, the marine saw in transporting humans in these crates.
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Well, a man who is currently very high up in these covert programs contacted me and said,
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and I've since been meeting with him, those were used in human experimentation
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to and they were recruiting and selecting people in very desperately poor countries
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who said, yeah, get me out of here. And they would take them, create them up, take them to a
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place out in the desert. I know where it is. And they would were selected for having a high
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telepathic or pre-cognitive, what's called P3, encyclokinetic capabilities. And those people
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were then used in human experimentation with machinery to create a human
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machine conscious interface to be able to basically take over the conscious technology
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interface, guidance systems of ET craft to basically hijack them, bring them over to sites,
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and hit them with electromagnetic pulse weapons. Now, you can unpack that for a few years,
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what I just told you. But I know for a fact that that program is ongoing. In fact, I'm planning to go
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out to this site soon to deal with it directly. So, you know, we're moving very, very quickly. It's
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ashamed that the Congress is moving at the speed of a glacier as is, of course, the mainstream
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media. Of course, the mainstream media never covers anything important. A show like yours can,
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but, you know, I mean, ABC and CNN and Fox, so they're never going to cover anything relevant.
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Well, this is my last question. You obviously have a very large following. In our last interview,
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millions of people tuned in and listened to what you had to say. But to be fair, I would say the
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majority of the population feels that you're a conspiracy theorist because they have yet to see any
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actual physical proof. You know, you showed us a picture and you've talked about various things
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that you've seen and so forth. But can you actually pull out, I don't know, an alien hand or a piece
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of a spaceship that's clearly not man-made? Do you have any of these things in your possession
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that at some point you're going to pull out and say, look, here is the proof that cannot be denied.
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Well, do you have a nuclear trigger and a thermonuclear warhead?
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No, I do not. Okay. Have you stated to people that you're certain we have thermonuclear weapons and
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nuclear triggers? Well, we've seen your own way. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So I'm going to turn the
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tables on you. Of course, we don't have something like that. Now, do I know where they are? Are we
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advising law enforcement where they can go get it? Yeah, but that's not my job. I'm not the president
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and I'm not Congress. I'm a retired emergency doctor doing the best we can do with limited
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resources. We don't have your kind of wealth. And so what I'm saying is that people who have those
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objects, we know who they are and where they are and where we can go get them. But you're not
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going to go in there and ask pretty please. And certainly, I don't possess that kind of material,
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because if I did, it would be released instantaneously. Now, we convict people and execute people
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for murder with one or two witnesses and some forensic evidence. We have 755 first-hand witnesses
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to what's going on and thousands of documents and all this evidence and videos. That's enough
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to make the case. I don't need to drag a dead body out of area 51. And to say that that's the
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if that's the basis for launching a governmental investigation, there's no point doing it. But it's
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also a bit of a cynical connard because there are people who make assertions all the time
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about things they know to exist, but they can't produce them. Very few people can produce a
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thermonuclear weapon, although everyone on earth believes they exist because they do. So I think
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that's just an analogy I'm using in this case, but you could do that for a number of issues.
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And I think that there's more evidence for this than there is for black holes, right? Or many of the
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other foundations of physics that people would refer to. So what I point out is that we are not,
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we can't set the bar so high that no one can get over it until the government and law enforcement
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go in and secure these assets. And the people who have worked in those places, I'll tell you a
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little story. One man I know who worked in a very sensitive facility like this,
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there was a piece of paper that had very sensitive classified information on it. He crumpled it up
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and threw it in a trash can. Guards with weapons came in within moments and said, what did you just do?
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Went over and picked this thing up and said, this is not how you dispose of that. Something like this.
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So, and this is someone who'd been on my team for 15 years. So people have to realize no one's
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marching into one of these highly classified areas and dragging at the hand of an ET out.
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Or now if someone does, please contact me because that we will release immediately.
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And if I get a national security order slapped on me, I'll do a big
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buzz off, right? So, but until that happens and until the government authorizes a team to go
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in there and get this and show it to the members of Congress and the American people, we're going to
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unless something falls into our lap. And I don't rule that out. I don't rule it out. We may in fact
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have something like that happen down the road, given the speed at which people are defecting
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from these organizations. I have one man that I just recently met with who had been involved in
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transporting the biologicals, the bodies from an ET craft. And this person is still fully operational
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at a site. So it may be that at some point we will be able to take possession of that kind of
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material. But right now I certainly don't have it. Well, right. But when you say that someone like
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this, someone who works in these top secret organizations are too scared to release some of this
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information. I don't know if I can agree with you because in my line of work, I mean, for example,
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I interviewed one of the people in the car who was responsible for two-packs murder. He wrote a book
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about it and did multiple interviews about it. And now he's being faced with this murder charge
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26 years later because of what we call this world clout chasing. You know, he was willing to give up
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potentially the rest of his life in a jail cell in order to get some short term publicity.
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Whoever pulls out an alien hand or a part of an alien spaceship will become the most famous
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person on earth for a good amount of time. It will also become a multi-billionaire and
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everyone will pay top dollar to interview them and they so they would be killed long before
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they got it out of the facility. I mean, these are shoot to kill orders. I've been at these
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facilities. You know, this is just a fantasy and the murder of a rapper is and no wise can be
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related or compared to the security, what they're called, op-sex, operational security around these
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sort of projects. It's another conard. And you yourself, I remember I was in present for your last
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interview, but my cameraman, the Los Angeles told me that when you pulled up, you had what he
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described as like almost an armored vehicle. You had security around you and so forth. Is this
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something that you keep 24-7? I keep it when I'm on a project that requires it. So there's some,
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I want to get into detail, but yeah, it was a very heavily armored vehicle with a former
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special forces guy who is heavily armed to protect me. But you know, it's something that I don't,
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it's necessary sometimes. Okay, well, Dr. Stephen Greer, I really appreciate you sitting down with
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us for the second time. Definitely very interesting topics here that people have been wrestling with
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since the dawn of time. It will continue to wrestle with until there is absolute proof one
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way or another. So I appreciate the information you gave and I really want everyone to take this and
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to do their own research and come to their own conclusions because there are ultimately a lot of
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unanswered questions out there. And hopefully that an interview like this will have people asking
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more questions and digging into these answers themselves because sooner or later we will have
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some answers. And hopefully we will then highlight that. By the way, anybody who's a whistleblower who has
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access to this information wants to come forward, they should contact us because we have a mechanism
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for them to come out, give the information to the Congress and to the White House. Okay, and how do
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they contact you? At our website, you can put it up there, seriousdisclosure.com, S-I-R-I-U-S,
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disclosure.com. And there's a box there for military witnesses. And they can also contact me on our
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social media sites because we will monitor it for that as well. That's what it is, Dr. Stephen Greer.
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Appreciate the time and hopefully we will talk again once some more things come out and you know,
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we get to pick your brain once again. Thank you. Let's do it again. Let me know if you come to DC.
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We can go out and have fun. Let's do it. All right. Thank you. Bye-bye.
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