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Hello friends, welcome back to the DTFH. You know, I'm not going to leave you hanging my dear loves. I'm sure a lot of other
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people out there would I'm sure Mr. Beast
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anything regarding what's happening with the drones in New Jersey, but I love you
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and it's the giving season and today
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I offer you this episode with ufologist
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documentary on the UFO phenomena is already number one on apple podcast
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you're wondering what's going on in New Jersey or if you're interested in
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data regarding the uptick in uap's
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then you have come to the right place
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James Fox has been in the field of exploring the UFO phenomena around 30 years. His documentaries are
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incredible. They are an actual non-woo-wooly deep dive into what appears to be a long running
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government cover up. They don't want us to know what's floating around out there
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is finding out. So strap in, get ready, stop staring up at the sky just for an hour and a half
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by James Fox. Also you should follow him on x
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Mr. Fox welcome to the dtfh it is an honor to meet you. Thanks for having me on. Oh my god
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when i you know this new jersey drone thing the fact that it is not just coinciding with my podcast
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but coinciding with the release of your newest documentary wow how are you feeling right now about
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that? I literally got a text from the United States Air Force Colonel he's retired but he goes
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he's got great sense of humor he goes James I just want to know your secret how did you stage
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and alien invasion or it can juggs him with the release of your latest film of like your timing
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could not have been better. It couldn't have been better it couldn't have been better I mean it's
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like unbelievable unbelievable and that kind of synchronicity I don't know how woo woo you get about
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stuff because I know that one one thing I love about your documentary your documentaries is you
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you lean into science and I love that it's not it's so easy to get lost in the weeds in this
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conversation and lose all credibility and end up interviewing the wrong person you just lose
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credibility because you didn't research your guests enough yeah I'll I will lean into the woo woo a
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little bit oh you got to just a little bit but when you know this is a big synchronicity yeah oh it's
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unbelievable I was like somebody this morning somebody sent me leader Schumer right now at the podium
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getting hammered by the audience going you don't know what it is it's a UAP why don't you just
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call it what it is yeah the one the run the installation it's a UAP he's like we don't know what it
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is he's like yeah exactly okay it's like this is happening right now well I think that's the
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launching off point which is the for over two decades you've been investigating something that is
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clearly being covered up at at every angle it and what what I love about the release of your
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documentary and what's happening is because we are now seeing pure gaslighting coming from our
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government and and and not just like we can't talk about it but saying maybe your eyes aren't
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seeing the right thing you're seeing private planes we don't know what this is and that to me is
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the most insidious and really like it gives me the Ick because the fact that they're being so
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brazen in their gaslighting in this regard implies a certain level of comfort and a view of us
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that is like we're like subhuman idiots that you know that they're inviting us just don't look up
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and if you see something it's probably a private plane meanwhile in New Jersey people are seeing
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things that are freaking out their kids freaking them out I'd love your thoughts on this okay this is
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incredible I'm gonna go back in time a little bit because I remember covering this very issue
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back in the 90s okay it was March 13th 1997 it's commonly known to as the Phoenix lights case
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oh yeah and so I covered that case probably for the better part of 10 years maybe even a little
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bit longer on and off I was going back and forth to Phoenix and what the amazing thing was is that
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you had this massive craft that was sort of a boomerang shaped and witnesses say anywhere between a
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mile to two miles from wingtip to wingtip that went either very slowly or when it took off it took off
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like warp speed like Star Trek yeah so everyone was out under the night's guy to get a glimpse of the
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hellbob comet at the time so it was witnessed by people all across the state of Arizona and it wasn't
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two o'clock in the morning right it was like eight o'clock right six p.m seven p.m eight p.m nine p.m
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it floated all across the state of Arizona and the governor at the time five Simington sought okay
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but he didn't tell people that he saw it instead he he holds I don't know what it was a month after
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it happened weeks whatever he holds an un un un un scheduled press conference and he has one of
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his aides dressed up in an alien suit you guys probably remember this and he takes this guy out and
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ha ha ha oh you know you you guys should everyone needs to calm down yeah whatever
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well I was going around to all of his constituents and they were pissed like how dare you question
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or what we saw thousands of us saw it across the state of Arizona yeah it was like spitting in their
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off like and and I remember after like I think it was like right around 10 years I I was revamping an
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old film I'd done called out of the blue because I'm never happy with a film when I finish it I'm
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always like never right you run out of money run out of steam yeah I remember one point my partner
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was in the field position his wife is looking at him you're killing my husband you know he's you know
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yeah I've been there too so any case I'm revamping out of the blue and one of my key targets was
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five Simonton because I'd never forgotten that incident 10 years ago where he basically with same
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thing that's happening today yeah was happening back then yeah what is that 27 years ago yeah
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so I was pissed and so was constituents and so I put out a I put out the field I had like 10
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people I want to get interviews with and I got all I think a nine out of the 10 and five Simonton
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to my complete other amazement agreed to meeting with me wow you know and I was driving it and I
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remember him saying well you can either meet with me in Arizona at the time I was in Northern California
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or I have a place in Santa Barbara so I was like all this get you as soon as I could possibly get you
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because I know a lot of times people start to think and then they get you know what an act
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while I'm not going to meet with you I've had that habit a lot of times so he goes well I'm in Santa
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Barbara right now I said I'm getting to the car I'm coming I'll be there I'll be there tomorrow
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cool so I drive down and I'm on the way down here and the relevance of this story will we'll
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come clear in a second and I get about halfway down I think I was taking highway 101 somewhat
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scenic it would not one but 101 and I was like hmm you know I can't think of anybody better to
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ask him a question than one of his former constituents and witness to the event so I call my friend
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Stacy Rhodes and she was at amazing witness I said Stacy you're not going to believe who I'm going
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to meet with right now and it would been almost 10 years yeah since you know since uh since the incident
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and I said I'm going to meet with five Simonton she's like oh my gosh I said is there anything you'd
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like to say to him she goes you damn right on something I'd like to say yeah it had been 10 years
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but they were so insulted yeah I mean these these witnesses had literally stopped their car on
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the freeway and like got out and you know I mean they're apparently on both sides of the freeway
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and this object it was between like um it was between Phoenix and Tucson in her state 10 and I'm
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told that there were people stopped on the side of the road people driving people stopped and this
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object is floated over the top of them and it took minutes and Stacy Rhodes in particular said if
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I had a newspaper and opened it up like that I could not have blocked out the omniscience how big
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it was above their head her and her daughter Emily and they had one other person in the car anyway
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so very good-siding very good case and so I grabbed my little pocket tape recorder and I recorded
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a statement from her that I was going to hit fight with yeah when the time was right right during the
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interview so I thought well let me not do this when I met with him the following day I couldn't
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believe I'd get an interview with five Simonton and I said let me let me let me get as much of the
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interview as I can before I get into this case so about three quarters of the way through the interview
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where I'm feeling pretty comfortable I said hey I got a little something I'd like to play for you
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yeah and so and he goes well what is that I said it's a recording from one of your constituents
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and a witness to the event hit the play button hi this is Stacy Rhodes you know okay opportunity to
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address this to you still feel like this is a matter for really cool and this that and the other
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thing when you let us out to dry and we all these thousands of witnesses across the state and you
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make this mockery and blah blah blah blah blah I see him sinking down in his chair a little bit
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I didn't know how it was going to go and then he stops and he pauses he is you know what yeah if I
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could do it differently now I would have he goes I saw that thing too and that thing clearly was not
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of this earth wow and I'm a he goes I went former captain in the air force I'm a pilot he goes that
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thing was not of this earth and I said well how do you so sure about that he goes the size he said
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it was like a mile across yeah it was floating really slowly yeah so this has been the party line
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for decades yeah right and that was that policy was sort of adopted after the White House and
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capital was buzzed on two consecutive weekends in July of 1952 right when they had it was a problem
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right right so they brought in that panel I think it was a Robertson panel and they basically like how
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do we deal with this the air force and the Robertson panel I think it was part of the CIA I just
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adopt the policy of ridicule and it was very effective campaign but why why what's the reason
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for gaslighting what's the reason I think it's well it's not really working as much these days because
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people are starting to realize this is bullshit because I had a general explaining me one time
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excuse me and he looked at me almost like I was since naive young guy this is I don't know 15 20
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years ago yeah because I was always thinking like oh isn't it amazing you know we're not alone in
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the universe we have definitive proof and what a kumbaya moment and get together right do a group hug
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and yeah you know and he starts chuckling and and and I he said he said you you just have no idea
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how the military looks at this problem and I said well show me what what do you mean he goes you
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you know you guys put us in charge of protecting our airspace right that's our job and we're not
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really the types of folks that want to come forward and say my fellow Americans it's been brought
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to our attention that there are structured craft of unknown origin whizzing around with impunity
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right they fly rings around our fastest jets right we don't know who they are where they come from
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or what they want and shall they turn to be hostile we also have no visible means of defense
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against them right thank you and good night he goes absolutely not we don't do that yeah so I think
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it's one of the reasons why they're calling it drones today I mean maybe they are but they're
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calling it drones because I think UAP is a little scary they think that we're children we can't
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handle the truth and so they're gonna show it like you know downplay it tell us that they have
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no idea where they're coming from yet there's nothing to worry about right so it's like how can
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you say what something isn't when you don't know what it is right well you know that way in the
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the new jersey stuff that's happening double leaveable I tell them believeable and and it's spreading
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more places it's all over the place but I'm you know leaning more into some kind of experimental
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drone to get ready for potential world war three and that obviously I don't think that discounts
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any of the other things that have been happening simultaneously but what it to me emphasizes
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is what you're talking about if you if you were skeptical that our government if somehow you're
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still skeptical that our government is covering some incredible thing up that would probably
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transform the way we look at everything you shouldn't be anymore watch me or kiss watch any of
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these people as they basically tell you to question your own mind that to me is so dark that you know
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if you unravel that yeah you realize oh obviously if they're doing this about something that people
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are filming seeing news reporters yeah you're not seeing what you're seeing right if they're doing
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that about that and they're doing that about everything do you remember the remember uh uh jaws
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yeah you remember the movie with with the public statements they're making everything's fine
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there you go it's just like it's jaws yeah you know it's really funny I did a film on the BP
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oil spill called pretty slick and I spent several years going back and forth to the golf I flew
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oh excuse me I flew over ground zero with the ocean on fire and I was in a sea plane with a marine
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biologist by the name of dr. Carl Sifina amazing guy and uh they were doing something they'd never
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done before and they were doing subsea injection with corrects it so they're pumping the ocean full
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of corrects oh yeah I remember five thousand feet down yeah so they're trying to prevent the oil
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from coming to the surface because they're getting fine for every barrel right so they're doing
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everything they can they're hitting the slicks at night with corrects it they're pumping it down
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five thousand feet so there's massive plumes of underwater oil can mix all up with this corrects it
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never done big lab tests and people are kids are crying on the beaches when they're good you know
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you don't know where it is or how bad you know and I'm having the water test and then it's not
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super bad with a private lab at the time but there were really dangerous levels coming back of
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toxic water with the oil yeah corrects it and not everywhere but anywhere right you don't know where
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it was right and they were like beaches are safe everything's fine come on down and I'm thinking
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to myself they're putting the health and safety of the of the public ahead of the multi-billion-dollar
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tourist-based economy yeah that's right and I saw it firsthand yes that's it and that's what they do
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and they think that we can't handle the truth or something like oh you know we're and hey you know
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what if it's even if it's a little scary it's still reality well it's time to treat us like adults
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all right this so this to me like you know and I love what you do because you just try to deal with
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what we know and so what we know for sure is there's a cover-up right now with the New Jersey okay
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so covering something up then the explanation for the cover-up where they don't want to cause panic
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implies a benevolence it implies that they give a shit about us that actually they're like oh
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we don't want to panic people that would be bad let's push that explanation off the table
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what are some other explanations for the cover-up because I think that's where it gets really
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worrisome and fascinating and I've heard some and I would love to hear your thoughts on these
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one they've already made contact there's some kind of treaty some kind of some kind of deal or
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some something where they are in some weird way collaborating with whatever this is that's one
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explanation to the other explanation would be it's not that they're worried about causing panic
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but they feel that the revelation of what these things are opens people up to some kind of actual
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danger I'm just saying there's a lot of other possible explanations that aren't aren't because
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they don't want us to freak out because there's so many other things that they show us that do make
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us freak out yeah I don't I don't think the freak out explanation is the right one I think
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there's some other thing well you know another thing to consider how did you watch the program yet
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no I haven't watched okay so I include a rather controversial encounter in the film and I know
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that I'm gonna get some flak particularly from mainstream but I justify it in the film by saying
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look you know don't take it for me close encounters of a third kind that's when people report beings
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connected to the craft right as you know aliens or beings or creatures or whatever you want to call
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them that is one of the aspects of the phenomenon that the Air Force went out of their way to try to
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tamp down right because one thing when you have an unknown object in the sky it's another thing
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entirely when you got beans on the ground yeah but I included a rather controversial case in the
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program because I think there might be an element of well okay so one of the things that I've learned
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over and over and over is is outlandish as it may appear initially yeah a case citing a crash
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I've learned to suspend judgment because time and time again I've always been like that's impossible
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that's not landish there's no way that's true now I've gotten to the point after 30 years where I go
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you know what James just stop just look at the evidence review the data and and think about
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the likelihood of whether this happened or not because the phenomenon is so complex and so
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profound and and and all over the place right um imagine if they admitted what they know
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okay yeah so that would expose their vulnerabilities because there's so many things that they
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have evidently don't know right so it's like you admit and again I'm just gonna inform
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speculation sure right inform speculation yeah stating any of this is fact okay but I've met
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with some people that I respect that are certainly in a position to know what's going on yeah and
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they've told me they're walking among us and I've said I said come on what do you talk what do
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you talk about walking among us you know and uh they go out I mean exactly that they're walking
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among us in fact Bob Bigelow told me that right and I did not believe him I wouldn't say I believe him
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yeah but it certainly got me thinking a little bit and so then I thought well so let's see if this
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case happened in 1994 that I covered in the in the program and it was at a Nellis test range that's
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a military installation hmm would that mean that there was an incursion or was there cooperation
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or what is that what does that mean yeah just like the depths of the phenomenon has no ends like I
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don't know where you know what I can say definitively is that they know the phenomenon's real they know
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it's under intelligent control they know that the the the technology exhibited is light years
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advanced for anything that we have and I've talked to a lot of people some people say we have ARVs
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I have not seen that evidence I'm not saying it's not true right but I haven't seen enough to make me
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say I believe that right now I don't believe that I know we have the technology I feel very
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confident about that yeah from a couple of the crash cases that I haven't investigated yeah uh
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Roswell and more recently Varsina Varsina Varsina is not holy shit I know we got to get into
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Varsina and and when I came back from Varsina but last time and I was making I was finally putting the
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movie together CNN was at my house doing a special with Leslie Cain and they're like oh my god
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we're so excited you just came back from Brazil let's talk about the you know and I said no
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actually I'm not talking about any of that because if I do you get to tell me to up the dosage of
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the medication that I'm not on let me just put the film out and then we can talk okay both
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but before we get into Varsina which actually does apply to what you're saying um and it does
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apply to the program too yes it so with um let's talk a little bit about the walking among us
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yes yes yeah yeah tell you a couple of other things too yes well it is an interesting thing that
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some people yeah you don't reject it just out of habit because I think a lot of people they just
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they don't care if it's an Air Force pilot they don't care if it's whistle blowers with great
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credibility saying this stuff they've been so programmed by people like that what's his name great
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name by the way the guy you interviewed uh the lendwell Logan or no uh help it off no the light the
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phoenix lights oh oh yeah five simon five people like five whether they know it or not have engaged in
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a long-term program of getting people to just naturally reject anything that doesn't fit into
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the paradigm that the federal government is offering us regarding what's happening in the skies
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so but the people who aren't in that category and accept okay there's something happening it seems
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intelligent it's been going on for a long time for some reason they don't make the connection that
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okay if it's an intelligent craft a drone whatever it may be why do you think they would stop
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in the sky well if I was observing researching or even trying to influence a civilization
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then I wouldn't stop in this guy I obviously would find a way to infiltrate power structures to
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figure them out and so logically if we're and again a lot of assumptions here I'm going to assume
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this is an advanced intelligence based relative to ours and
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and maybe it's too much assuming to imagine that they're like us in any way but clearly there's some
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curiosity no person they're curious there's a curiosity and also there's decorum happening and they
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want to be seen and they want to be seen but they don't want to overtly make their presence
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unequivocally known right so they're a little in on it as well that's right that's and you know again
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pure speculation pure speculation that's pretty solid I pretty solid I could back it up with
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some pretty good cases and at that point that's where we get in a weird veil because at that point
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now you have to start asking yourself and I think it's and I don't know if this is a good practice
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but if you if you zoom back and look at all of all of what's happening right now technologically
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on the planet if you look at it holistically including this uptick this insane uptick
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and uap's then you have to ask yourself how much of the technology that we are currently using
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AI for example the new willow quantum chip from google how if they're walking among us how much
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of what we're discovering and figuring out how to do is an actual human innovation and how much
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of it has been in some way influenced by these beings for whatever reason they might have for
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doing that do you ever follow you're good on our rabbit hole yeah so I interviewed a guy named
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Philip Corso back in the 90s it was he was at the 50th anniversary of Roswell he was one of the
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highest level at the time military officials that came forward and said I saw the bodies I handled
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some of the debris the Pentagon in the 1560s yeah it was infiltrated into these government subcontractors
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Boeing and Lockheed and whatever there's what he was saying at the time but I don't know if
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people are quite ready but maybe some people were but I believe I guess I'd say I believed him I
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guess because if we did have it he said unknowingly that they were seeding these companies with some
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little bits of technology right yeah though there was that and then I wanted to get back to them
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walking among us because this is really crazy and it's a story that I I haven't the back of my mind
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I've never reported on it although I've talked a little bit about it and I think about it often
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and I hope something uncover I hope it uncovers itself at some point but I was investigating a case
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when I was doing the phenomenon that happened in 1964 in secoro in New Mexico and it's it's
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considered to be one of the most well-documented close encounters of the third kind in US history yeah
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it was one of the cases that turned Dr. Jalen Heineck did a 180 on because it was very very
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compelling it was a police officer by the name of Lonnie Zamora and so I went to the town of
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secoro over a five-year period I got to know his wife his co-workers his kids I went to the
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National Archives I befriended one of the guys that wrote the book on the case and I was really
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sticking my teeth into this close encounter of the third kind where there were entities
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witnessed at the scene lots of physical evidence at the ground I mean it was a great case anyway
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what physical evidence imprints burn marks in the bushes footprints from the creatures
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landing gear imprints other people saw the craft in the air in and around the area
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so like enough enough physical evidence that something happened no one hoaxed that it was like
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if you want the amount of energy it would take the air force tried for 10 15 years to give
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it a present explanation they couldn't so very good case but anyway in the process of investigating
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that case I came upon an alleged landing that was filmed by the air force or the military
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at White Sands now White Sands right around the same time it's just a stone throw from secoro
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yeah and it was it's commonly referred to as the holumine UFO landing case I think it's circa
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1964 okay may I don't know how to exact month but I investigated that case it was kind of a tangent
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that I went off of but I was thinking how you got a landing excuse me evidently a landing at
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holumine Air Force Base in 1964 that was filmed and the disc comes down and the door opens and
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out comes some aliens and they meet with base commanders and off they go now if that's true that
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means we've had contact and communication with a non-human intelligence right dating back what 56
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years yeah okay at least at least and we have we have that that photographic proof or really
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tape evidence so I started kind of in baskeying that quietly but I didn't really want it to be
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publicly known because it's so crazy like a landing and filmed and I thought well James just you know
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again suspend judgment let's keep digging a little bit yeah because I believe secoro would
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happen well why not have a camera right so I started looking into it more it led me eventually
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to two guys that made a documentary called UFO's Past Presenter Future Alan Sandler and Bob MNager
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Bob MNager just passed unfortunately a couple years ago but I did do an extensive two-hour
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interview with him I also met with Alan Sandler and at the time of production in the early 70s
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these guys had unprecedented for whatever reason access to all these military bases and they just
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like given carte blanche to make this documentary yeah and in the documentary they they refer to
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the wholeman landing case as maybe an event that might have already happened or maybe it's going to
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happen in the near future huh that's how they propose it but they had again unprecedented access to
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all these military all these military people people that were involved with Roger Blue book
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were all participating in the film so I was like why why were they participating like if the ideas
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they're covering it up testing the waters on disclosure I don't know I don't know so anyway so I
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I I long story shortman I could go all night on this one but I basically got in touch with both MNager
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I got in touch with Alan Sandler I met with them both multiple times and Alan told me that he saw
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that footage I said oh wait a minute what footage do you talk about go the landing footage at
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home and I said where will you saw the footage of the flying saucer coming down and the aliens
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getting out and interact with the base commanders yes he says I saw that footage I said
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okay well now what I want
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what I want to really like burn-ech my memory with a specific case or incident I usually close my
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eyes and allow the the the witness to use his words has her words to recreate the visuals in my head
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so I can really get it right like I want to see it I want to be there yeah so I asked Alan I was
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like I want you to give me every detail was it daylight was it this was the camera on tripod was
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it you know yeah and he said and so basically what he what he described was a and there are a lot
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of people that wrote articles about it in and around the time that it happened there were witnesses
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on the base both military civilian pilots it sought from the air pile people sought from the ground
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yeah all sorts of articles around the time that it happened were written by a woman named
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Carole Lorenzen at the UFO bulletin but but anyway he says that there were three discs coming in
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it was I think it was early afternoon three discs coming in with the base that were followed by
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military jets and then as it got over the base the two of the discs peeled away and there was one
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that kind of wobble like a leaf down to the ground and Alan said it looked like to me it was in
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trouble because it wasn't like doing very well but evidently that's kind of how they how those
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discs fly they kind of wobble like they're unstable and he goes plunk lands right on the base
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and I and he goes you know James he goes just like in the sci-fi movies it's like the seamless door
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opened and out came two I guess for the better part of his aliens and and then the third one came
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out and a little different he had a big headgear almost like Egyptian or something excuse me
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vertical slits for eyes big nose very small chin small mouth and they had a according to Alan
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who saw the footage they had a this individual had a device that looked like a microphone or something
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but it was he assumed it was a communication device but he wasn't sure and then the base
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commanders met with them out and then they this one individual alien or whatever got in the
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Jeep and they drove off to I don't know a bunker wherever they holy was.
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Franceder back seat of the Jeep I know I didn't get that detail I know.
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Seep out what do you do but but anyway I know so so anyway so I've been quietly and discreetly
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looking into this and based on my belief that's leaning more in the direction that it happened
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then it didn't happen I'm talking to all sorts of intel folks these days off the record that tell
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me they dealt they do believe it happened and they know they think they know where that footage is
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and arrows currently looking for the footage I know but they've heard about it but based on that
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I decided to leave the 1994 Jason Sands and again you haven't seen the film yet his
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my his description of a face to face encounter at a military base with if it's true an alien
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and you know and I know that it's a slippery slope and it's a tall order to get people like
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I just want to say in my own defense that it's difficult to get more information on something
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on a particular case without reporting on it first so I'm reporting on it I'm not stating it as
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fact but I'm saying I believe that this might just have happened wow and so you know again it's
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like going down that wormhole of like where does it stop where does the crazy end right but you know
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but the thing is once you once you buy in yeah we have unknown craft yes no question intelligently
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controlled by non-human entities yeah why would they stop in the sky and it's the it's it's to me
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if you're gonna accept that part you've got to kind of accept the other part and it really isn't
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that weird and that I somebody's piloting them in this answers what we were initially talking
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about we because here's this what's interesting in the idea that the government's covering all
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this stuff up for they don't want us to know that they don't control the skies or technology
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or whatever is it makes the aliens kind of this innocent party in the situation it and but the
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moment that there is some communication participation happening it gets a little sinister because
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it would imply that these beings are instructing the governments of the world to not reveal certain
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bits of information and that kind of conspiracy between an off-world intelligence and the leaders
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of the world is pretty terrifying so I've gotten to the point now where I feel pretty comfortable
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saying that whoever they are they clearly are in on the secrecy because all they'd have to do
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is hover over the macy's day parade and it's game over right that's right so they do do some
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pretty brazen things I mean you know if you look into the Phoenix likes case 97 that's pretty
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brazen I mean it was you know really oh yeah they just flew right over just a whole parade of them
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yeah so that was pretty a big deal I mean that happened today who there'd be a lot of footage right
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um not 2006 or 2005 or 2006 at ohair airport have you guys familiar with that case a disc
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that over over terminal 17 yes you know these rediscribe I remember when that happened yes
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yes pretty brazen pretty brazen a disc that was hovering over terminal 17 United Airlines
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right and for quite some time in broad daylight it was witnessed by a lot of United Airlines
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workers yeah people on the ground pilots people took I'm told that at least one photograph of it
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was taken I don't know what happened to that and disappeared but um pretty brazen and then when
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the object took off it took off vertically and it punched a donut hole in the cloud on the way out
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all the way this is described it wow pretty crazy case I mean it's hovering over ohair airport
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2005 was that 2005 or 2006 trying to remember anyway but it's I remember a great case in fact
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I was investigating that case what what year was that I was investigating that case
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in 2008 and I had a whole camera camera crew with me and I was interviewing folks in Arizona doing
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some updates on the massive flyover from 1997 which was about 11 years after the incident and I was
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going to fly from there to ohair airport and try to get a couple of people to go on the record
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or go anonymously come forward employees from United Airlines and then a massive massive uh UFO
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incident happened in Stephenville Texas in late 2008 and I diverted my efforts from going to oh
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hair so I didn't I never really got boots on the ground there and I went to Texas and covered that
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case anyway uh instead okay now you remember that case is Stephenville no what was that case oh my
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god they said you could have landed an airplane on it the object was so huge okay I have to ask you
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you know you're you have a very bizarre job yeah and you you you live you have to live
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in the fringes of things like yeah like even you know telling people what you do is probably
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they're going to be met by people like me or like hello or it's going to be met by people
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like oh yeah I know I've been dealing with that my whole life and it's fine you know I get laughed
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at and really killed but but let let's sell these days but yeah yeah right then that's got to
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feel good but I'm wondering like you know you just doing this podcast where I I get to interview
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people like you and people have very interesting stories or spiritual outlooks on the world from time
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to time I feel a little wobble you know like yeah I I I like to my think of myself as someone who's
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like open and open to the unknown and stuff but every once in a while it's too much unknown and
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you realize how attached you are to the to default reality and ways you didn't think you were
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do you experience that in your own life oh my gosh just in the last probably the making of the okay
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so I did for the first time I've been doing documentaries on UFOs for 30 years yeah so I did a
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film called the phenomenon and the phenomenon was the first documentary and it was probably let's
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see I did 50 see I did 50 years in a while then I did out of the blue version one out of the blue
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directors cut then I did I know what I saw so that was like three and a half film yeah
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basically and I'd never touched on close encounters of the third kind wouldn't be I'd heard about
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them right but I just a little bit of a slippery slope I was like sure I'm gonna step back on that
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one a little bit well I went all in on the phenomenon did you ever watch the phenomenon no I
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haven't seen it yet so the phenomenon's got intel folks it's got former Senate Majority Leader Harry
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Reed yeah that's uh got Republicans Democrats amazing but excuse me I cover close encounters of
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a third kind and I cover okay an event that occurred in 1994 at a school called aerial school in
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Ruiz and Bob Oh yeah Africa yes yes and it was roughly a hundred school children the people
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think there's like 66 there was more I was there it was more like a hundred school children
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they were out on the field when this object came in and in and around the area of Zimbabwe
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Harari at the time yeah South Africa there were there were um UFO reports sightings by adults by by
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all sorts of people in and around the area but this object or objects chose a school to land in
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broad daylight it was on morning recess and it was like 10 o'clock in the morning and all the kids
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were on their plane and a number of discs came down out of this guy landed got out and these little
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creatures interacted telepathically with the kids now I opted to report on this case and I really
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did a deep somewhat of a deep dive considering I only probably only spent maybe 12 to 15 minutes max
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in the film maybe 12 that was the first time I'd ever kind of gone all in on reporting on something
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and then let's like I remember like couple years when I started to dig my teeth into that case and I
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had this investor and he goes he goes and he me to tell me there's Mark and aliens landing at a
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school and aerial school yeah get me in my waist and dive on that boat I said Larry hold on a second
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I understand that knee jerk action I had to do just please look at this look at Dr. John Mc from
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Harvard yeah look he's on the ground talking to the kids like please just listen I just just
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just trying to get him to listen to it yeah and then I got him on board it was it I said give me five
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minutes and I showed him some of the testimony from the kids right after it happened that was taken
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interviews taken by Dr. John Mac was a Harvard psychiatrist very impressive stuff right yeah so he
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was like oh god maybe let me rethink this anyway I reported on it okay and I was terrified at the time
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because I just interviewed Senator Lee or Harry Reid and he wanted to see the whole movie before
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it was going to be released for obvious reasons wow who he is I'm like he's going to look at that case
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at the end with the aliens sucking to the kids and say you need to cut me out of that movie I was like
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oh my god I'm so worried about it but I reported on it anyway and not only did he not
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asked to be removed from the film he actually publicly endorsed it wow it was amazing so then
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I went from there and now I'm covering an alleged UFO crash moment of contact now this case that
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happened in 1996 in Virginia Brazil yeah is dealing with a UFO that was in distress that a number of
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people witnessed it crash one guy in particular witnessed it crash but another people saw the UFO
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before it crashed and then two days or a day or two days later just a few miles away in the town
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of Virginia Brazil people are reporting these strange creatures in broad daylight yeah it's an amazing
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case and there's these creatures are captured they're taken in a live can you describe the creatures
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and describe the UFO sighting yes so the so the UFO was January 20th 1996 and the the
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UFO was described as a cigar shaped object metallic with no visible means of propulsion no wings no
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just totally unusual cylindrical shape metallic like a like a stainless steel or like a metallic yeah
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tin foil kind of color okay and this guy named Carlis DeSaza actually went to the crash site after
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we took him there after 20 something years and then people started seeing these strange creatures
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the local military police were involved the doctors from humanitized hospital were were
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involved because the creatures were taken to the hospital they were captured in the streets I
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mean it was just it's a crazy stuff what did the creatures look like they were brown they had big
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red eyes you can look up varsina you can you laugh that Josh yeah and they had big red eyes brown skin
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bigger heads slits for mouths and spindly weak feabal bodies and oily brown skin like oily no hair
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take it easy they were they weren't that why are you voting in these port that's right there so that's
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on the far left that's Katia sorry click on that one right there yeah so you'll see
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uh oh this is my buddy Michael Schellenberger yeah anyway that's the guy that's all the UFO crash
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that's the creature that is red eyes they're drunk they're his hammer and uh horns like little horn
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yeah weird little protuberance yeah yeah I know but anyway my point is it's like so I'm now so I
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I go from reporting only on the craft for the first what 20 plus years of my career and then I
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was off screw it and I reported on alleged closing counts of the third kind which is a slippery slow
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but it's be honest right yeah and then now I'm reporting on a UFO crash in live aliens walking through
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the town of varsina right yeah and I tell people it's like soon as I start talking about it they
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look at me I lose them and I had my next year neighbor who runs make a wish foundation this guy Jamie
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big supporter of mine he's good friends with the guy Brian Bennett right political magazine and he
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goes James I love your brother I respect you but you lost me on this one I'm sorry and I was like
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yeah I don't blame you I understand so now then I could do the crash of treble case right that the
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Americans are involved with yeah Americans came in and swooped up the debris Bill Clinton's
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president he was he Bill Clinton was president yep and I've been so I've been tracking that down that
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flight down you know I say it's air force that came in and landed in kimping this I'm doing so I'm
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investigating that now so then I go from that to asking sitting members of congress do we have aliens
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and flying UFOs flying saucers in our possession right never in a hundred million years that I
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ever think I'd be asking a city member of congress from both parties right do we have aliens and not
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be laughed out of the room or blocked right from DC altogether instead it's like
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one of them was like yes the other one's like you know due to my security clearances I can't answer
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I can't I got a stair we're away from that yeah but I encourage your ongoing investigations and
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keep pushing us for transparency and blah blah blah that's happening right now yeah that's
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happening and then three months after moment of contact comes out I well sorry I went on Rogan in
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April of 2023 talking about moment of contact and I'm sure that Joe Rogan just like everybody else
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myself included when he first heard about that he was like oh bullshit like there's no way it's
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impossible yeah but then you listen to the testimony from people on the ground and including the mayor
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like all these people in the town it's very impressive and then that was April 2023 that Rogan
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reported on it and in July of 2023 the highest level intelligence officer David Grush testifies
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under oath yes to a joint group of bipartisan lawmakers yeah that we have definitive evidence that
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we're not alone what did they call it nonhuman biologics or some nonhuman intelligence and
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and and biologics biologics sounds like a skin cream why did they talk like this that's the other
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thing is like even the when they are disclosing so technical it's it's so biologics biologics you got
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alien meat that's what it is now it's this you know would you say that it I would have never seen
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that I would have never seen that coming none of us would have seen any of this coming and I had
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people at the time telling me James you just came off the phenomenon one of the first times that
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a documentary on the topic has such high level cooperation from intel from from you know
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congresspeople senators um you really pushed the envelope with the closing count as the third kind
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and how you want to report on live aliens one of the television you're going to turn it to your
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reputation you're going to jeopardize all your efforts yeah do you really want to do this I don't
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think people in New Jersey are going to say that yeah because because this is this is what's interesting
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to me is you know you see an echo we're pushing the envelope a little further every time that's what
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I meant I love it and but again I just think it's worth noting I know we already mentioned it
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earlier why if you are okay admitting that there's whatever you want to call them UAPs whatever why
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then is it even considered like out of like you you can't say that they're they have bodies that
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they're walking around that that's too much man if they're here they're here and and so okay to
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go back a little bit though so my brain's been exploding for the last couple of years just because
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you asked me earlier do you ever have that moment yes I've been having that moment but this this
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actually okay I'm going to skip what I was going to ask this is another question I have for you
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so obviously we have precedent throughout US history or whistleblowers being threatened murdered
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suicide et cetera and what I've heard whatever you want to call it the deep state or whatever
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group or small group of people is behind covering this stuff up they also I think grush was threatened
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I think grush had some stuff go down yeah yeah so have you experienced anything like that and are
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you worried that if you finally break through if you get close enough that you could be in danger
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yeah so I mean I'm public enough at this point where I feel a little more comfortable right right
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I've been spooked a couple of times over the years I could go into those cases if you want but I
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would love to hear that like you don't have to I mean I don't want to waste too much of your time I
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want to get into our genia more but I would love to hear about like that yeah so I had a whole crew
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with me at the time and there was a was a mass sighting when I say a mass sighting like the town of
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Stephenville in Dublin Texas 2008 was the end of 2008 or was early 2009 but might have been
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both sometimes they span over several weeks or a month and there was one particular witness
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Ricky Sorrells he was a deer hunter and he was so I the whole town saw something the local police
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department were coming there were people coming forward all I mean they had a whole town hall meeting
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and press conference and it was in the news and Larry King live covered it I mean it's kind of a big
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deal but there was one particular person that I'd heard about that a lot of people saw it at a
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distance there were some military jets chasing this thing it was apparently huge yeah just colossal
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like similar in size to the one that was over Phoenix Arizona where it's like a mile across two
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miles across some of the witnesses described including the governor so there was a guy named Ricky
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Sorrells big tough guy super sweetheart and he was deer hunting and he said he was looking down
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going through the forest with his rifle and he had a scope on it and he goes James you know we have
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these like dry leaves from the oak trees and if I step on the dry leaves that could make a sound
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and scare the deer so I was looking down as I've navigated my way through the forest and it was like
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dusk and I was going hunting and all of a sudden he goes I don't know I just felt compelled to look
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up and so he stopped in the forest and I went to the exact location I filmed with him for a film I
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did called I know what I saw and I mean he goes I looked he goes I looked up and there above me was
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a craft so big he goes I couldn't see the edge in any direction wow and so he goes I'm a metal
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worker man I I know metals yeah so I picked up my rifle I look to the scope what yeah and he was
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looking to the scope and he said he was examining the metal of the same oh I thought you were going
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to say shot it so he's looking at it and he's going oh there's no welds there's no rivets it's
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seamless there these these inverted recessed cone type of things in the belly of this thing
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and he goes James you could have landed an airplane on it he goes you know I was just kind of curious
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I was gonna you know fire my gun at it he goes I was just curious if it was gonna ricochet off or like
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it would it would absorb the bullet and he had his finger on the trigger and he's looking through
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the scope and he's about to pull it and he goes maybe this isn't such a good idea so he decides
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no I'm not going to shoot at it so he was the gun down but he almost did you got so anyway
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so I'm trying to get this story on camera but he's like hell no I'm not going on camera he goes up
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he told me the whole story because I'm not I'm absolutely not going on camera the local military
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bases harassing me they're coming by at night and they're flying their helicopters over my house
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and lighting me up he goes I'm right outside my underwear with my shotgun you know and they're
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lighting me up like daylight yeah so we call the local base and he goes and this is all happening
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right around the time when I was out there trying to get an interview with him I was going to his
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house and he was off the beaten path and he tells the base he goes stop flying over my stop flying
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over my house and they said that's our aerospace that's our aerospace we'll do it the hell we want
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in our aerospace I suggest you stop talking about what you saw fuck this was serious this is happening
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yeah you look at Ricky sorrows he's a big strong text in man yeah nope with Ricky sorrows right
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and he was frightened and we're out there and I was trying to get him to talk to me and all of
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a sudden a delivery truck like randomly yeah pulls in we're all like all the whole production team
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was like oh this guy you don't just accidentally go on his road right drive down some delivery truck
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yeah came down and we all felt like we were being watched that was one of the times that we all
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felt spooked we stayed in this local hotel and I remember the sound guy who's not even into UFOs
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he's like dude I'm spooked because I feel like we're being watched I was like I feel really spooked
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too and Ricky sorrows was totally spooked right and anyway so that was that was that was that was
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one time and then another there was another time that happened in a little spooked and when I was
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in I did an event at the National Press Club in Washington DC with Leslie Kane in 2007 okay we
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flew in 14 military and government officials from seven countries and they testified as the
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reality of the UFO phenomenon then I ended up making a two hour special cold I know what it
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solved yeah history channel and during that presentation there were guys in dark suits we had the
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we had the um uh the ballroom at the National Press Club it's one of the bigger rooms and there's
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a balcony up top all the activities going on down down below I barely even knew that there was a
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balcony up there very narrow there's a balcony up there and they were there were military guys
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that I had brought in generals and stuff and they were like you see those guys up there right and
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I'm looking they're men and suits dark suits holstered up and looking down and I was like oh that's
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a little spooky yeah like what agencies are those guys from you know and uh so I just felt it's
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just like you know just a little weird and then you get like cases where people are spooked I mean
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I was spooked when I would when I was shooting in Virginia yeah last time I was shooting in
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Virginia the military base started calling all the people that we had either just met with or
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that we were about to meet with yeah so it was like who's who's quicker to get to the witnesses right
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right the base would call the witnesses and they'd say this is as a military base in Brazil
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this just happened they'd call the witness and say um hey so and so hey how you doing
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like you're still living at this address yeah oh good good how's the family doing oh good good good yeah
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hey um there's a American filmmaker poking around asking questions it's out there we
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reach out to you by any chance oh man yeah okay all right good well glad the family's good oh my
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god yeah that kind of shit that's so okay so this and I they were hip to me I'm sorry I'm
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forgetting a little dark here for just one second yes you know take a look at um oh my god
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it's snowden yeah a sange yeah to me you know what they did pushed for the idea of truth that we can
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handle the truth we deserve the truth maybe the methods they used you could question them but
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maybe more in a sange than in Snowden I feel like and what about Gary McKinan which one's
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McKinan now Gary McKinan is the biggest computer hack in history trying to find out the truth on
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UFO McKinan he's in my movie okay wow really wow you got okay but to finish my point they almost
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locked him up for life I know they're trying to trying to steal the truth well each of these people
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what I find interesting about you I don't know as much about McKinan is these two is the in their
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like ability to get secret information to read it they got an idea of who they're up against what
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these people are like behind closed doors and yet it seems like they underestimated the reality
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of realities which is these people will not just arrest you they'll harass you they'll expose I'll
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try to expose they'll use any any method possible to cover this in the in the program okay so this I
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just don't you worry like you are exactly you're in a position I know a few other people who
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research this phenomena and I worry about them it's like man don't you understand like if these
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people really don't want you to know something and you find that thing out they'll do anything
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to erase that information or you or to ruin your life yeah and don't you worry about that how do
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you protect yourself I know it's great you are a famous documentarian very respected but how do
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you ensure that you or your family you know yeah no those thoughts do come to mind not for the first
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well I remember maybe the first 15 20 years I wasn't really that concerned about it and then a
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couple of things happened and I was like kind of spooked a little bit yeah and then I thought well
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if I get my name out there it'll be a little better now if I had that definitive proof like I've
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been going after this video evidence yeah from Fargeena Brazil I've been going to photographic
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evidence that's an ongoing effort I've been sifting through messages 500 plus messages maybe even
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more and trying to follow up every possible lead I've got 11 really solid leads now I thought about
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okay so I go back to Brazil I get the video now I'm a target yeah now I definitely have something
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to worry about I know that for a fact yeah they're threatening people that just saw something right now
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imagine if you saw something then you had tangible evidence right that's that's gonna be a problem
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right right right so I've thought about it and that worries me a little bit so I thought maybe
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the next time I go to Brazil maybe I should have a little security just yeah maybe one person just
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I don't know yeah just a little concerned yeah I mean and but now again what definitely
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is on my radar is that you have that definitive piece of evidence that they've told desperately tried to
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to obvuscate disappear destroy collect yeah I'll give you a good example there's a really good
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photograph featured in the program if you don't know provenance you could think oh maybe this is
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AI generated or whatever but it's from 1919 Calvin Scotland and I'd heard about it through a
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a investigator who was part who was working at the M.O.D. in the in the 90s on the UFO desk his
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name is Nick Pope and I was interviewing him while he was still the M.O.D. for a number of my
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documentaries and I would always ask him hey you investigated UFOs you know what was the best case
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yeah and just boom he go oh man these two guys were hiking out in the wilderness out in a
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place called I don't you know what he didn't say Calvin because I don't think he wanted me to know
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that but he said in Scotland yeah two guys broad daylight had a camera it was either five or six
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photographs of the most amazing diamond shaped disk shaped object broad daylight points of reference
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with a military jet flying around yeah I was like oh my god what happened to that picture and he's
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like oh man they covered that up and that it up but I never really had quite I obviously didn't have
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the picture I'd heard about it for over 20 years and I was quietly following the case and going
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after it following up with Nick like come on there must be people at the M.O.D. they wouldn't have
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just thrown this picture away and so anyway a guy named David Clark really stuck his teeth into
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this case and he started sifting through FOIA requests or freedom of freedom of information act
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I guess the equivalent in England were the release of redacted documents right and one of the
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redacted documents he got just a couple years ago said you know I was talking about the case and it
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said so and so from the Royal Air Force press department PR department and then blank right his name
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was redacted so he just looked up 1990 press and they got a hold of the sky Craig Lindsay he was
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part of the yeah a public press or whatever of 1990 PR for the Royal Air Force Craig Lindsay
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and turns out Craig Lindsay had kept a print so now we got we got we got we got I did a
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on camera interview with him I did an on camera interview with the with the researchers and then
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probably about a week I had a week of production left on the program this guy services
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who was there he was friends with the people that took the picture wow and the relevance of this will
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come clear in a second so his name is Richard Greaves and Richard Greaves gave a print interview but not
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a never on camera or audio interview and he promised me through David Clark that I can get an
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interview with him and I didn't know it was so desperately wanting to know what happened to the
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photographers what happened to the witnesses that for all intensive purposes they wanted to publish
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this story they went to the local newspaper they had six prints it was at least six sorry it was
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at least five possibly six and the 35 millimeter film okay two witnesses broad daylight disc you have
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a yeah absolutely amazing then uh finally Richard Greaves gives me an interview uh boring the
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details how long it took I kept a week after week I was like the film's done yeah I know I'm not
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trying to pass to you and I want to push too hard because I've pushed people too hard and they get
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frustrated and they just pull out and they're gone and I knew how important the interview was
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so I I just leaned on him just enough you know just lean on sediment text hey if you're still
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considering now it's time you know so finally like 10 30 at night or late at night he calls me
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out one of the east coast and he's like this Richard Greaves he's like I've had a couple of
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pints I'm ready he's got it's awesome yeah so he tells this crazy story about the guys that he
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worked with in the kitchen and what had happened yeah and then he starts telling me about this
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car that shows up at night at the hotel when they were working they were a cigarette break and
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I was like so they told you this he goes no I was there I was like you were there
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when a car pulled up at night on a cigarette break he goes yeah and he's meant he goes they were
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can spooks they were many black and they came up in his description of the whole case phenomenal
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I mean it's it's it's one of the most memorable scenes in the whole movie my point is this if
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that's true if what he's saying is true and he's willing to take a polygraph test that it is
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he swears on his great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren hey live on this true yes I do them
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I worked with them in the kitchen I made poached eggs they made those guys swear to god
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so anyway uh many black came up took the witnesses who took the photographs pull them aside
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they came back in 15-10 minutes later they came back as I he goes they were white as a fucking ghost
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and they ended up drinking heavily quit their jobs and they disappeared for 34 years and they're
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going wow so the prints are gone the witnesses are gone and we put out a statement in the film you
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know if anyone has any information on that to get in touch with us so so we have a friend
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that worked with them in the kitchen we have the photograph we have the former press officer
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for the royal air force Craig Lindsay who interviewed the witnesses and talks about what they described
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seen and taken the pictures of and their intention and then we have the guy at the MOD who talks
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about the fact they just wanted to kill the story because it didn't fit the party line
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that nothing of any defense interest is related or national security to UFOs when you've got a
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crystal crystal clear broad daylight five prints of a disc of an object that's inexplicable yeah
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that's hovering and then you have a military jet going around it they wanted to kill that story
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and they did okay this leads me to the next question forgive me in advance just point blank is there
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anything that you know that you can't talk about yes wow and why why why why why can't you well so
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so I said to the individuals that gave me this information and they're definitely in a position to
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know couldn't I just say that I heard it's nope no you can't say that was like I can't say I just
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heard nope I read it no yep so how does that feel well because well first of all if I did say it
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that would be it my trust would be over right I would know I can't I have to respect those
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contacts and I respect their concern for violating whatever right and so uh is my life better for
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yes and no because I'm really curious and I've been on this mission for a long time
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yeah so I feel like gosh I'd like to have more proof I kind of want to believe it do I believe it
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I don't just believe it because these individuals said it happened I mean it's certainly
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excuse me I want to believe it I don't know how to process it right I don't know I don't know man
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well that's the thing see what I would say if it's better than I know I don't know I'm not going
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to try to dig it out of you but I do but but but I think what you just demonstrated is very
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similar to what a lot of people in Congress when you see them get the top secret meetings they come
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out having heard something yeah and they can't say it either why is it fucking ghost why isn't
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ghost and and that that's me that what so people like me were very interested we can you know
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in a weird way just with that bit of data and other bits of data just like it that you get you
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you you see two main things one there really appears to be behind the scenes war happening between
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people who do know this stuff there's these to be a group of people who are like fuck no we don't
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talk about it another group of people who feel like we have a right to know people have a right to know
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and these two people seem to be in some terrible struggle right now and that's where the whistle
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blowers come from that's where the leaks come from the other thing though that I could say one thing
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yes it involves photographic evidence well you know and the individuals that I spoke to had
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personally handled this material holy shit yeah and it blew my fucking mind yeah and you can't
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say if you saw the photo I did not see I did not but I hear this story you know and it's it's
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this is another thing that I wonder and I wonder about about myself too yeah
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it's the slow drip disclosure theory yeah disclosure with a small D and from other people who are
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engaged in the sort of research you're engaged in similar stories which is I don't want to betray
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them yeah they're giving me little bits and pieces my career would be over if I talked about
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about right right nobody will ever talk to me again so but the implication is they recognize your work
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yes they trust you yes and they want to they want to use you not in a bad way but they want to use
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people like you to slow drip yeah this information into the into defaulity yeah and then I have to ask
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why a slow drip what why the slow drip I don't think that like if it all came out at once I think
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it'd be too much like if you if you look at my progression over the years right I when I first got
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started investigating the phenomenon I thought my best friend Renee Harris had lost his mind he
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was on a high school buddy of mine we went across Europe together we we did all kinds of road
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trips and he started talking about like out of the blue he started talking about aliens as well and
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UFOs and I was like this guy has lost his marbles like I remember thinking I might have to cut him loose
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right I'm gonna lose one of my best friends right right and um so that was that was my psyche right
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that was my reaction initially and then I started delving into it and it took me 15 maybe 20
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years to before I yeah 20 years before I decided to report just report on close encounters of the
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third kind then I went beyond that next time now I'm going to report officially on a UFO crashed
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relatively modern right and now suddenly I'm finding myself reporting on an alleged an alleged
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crash retrieval program and an alleged close encounter of the third kind face to face in the desert
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with on duty military officials officers yeah and that encounter is probably one of the most nuts if true
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I wouldn't have reported on it if I didn't think there was like the individual said I'll take
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a public light detector test I had the names of the other the other on duty officers with me at the
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time we have a location we have a date so I decided to leave it in there but that that encounter is
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nuts like when I first heard about it yeah I was like and I remember I was with Christopher Mellon
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we're having dinner in D in DC and Chris looks at me he goes pretty nuts yeah it's pretty nuts I said
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I don't know what you think and he goes the guy checks out his background he is who he says he is he
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was where he says he was you got that leaked video from three days prior that's a craft that's
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a known craft at the base yeah that's leaked he goes I don't know but he checks out I was like oh so
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I dug the oh dug a little deeper I spent about a year digging on as much as I could with my limited
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access and I opted to report on it because I figured nothing's gonna come of it if I don't report on
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it right and I'm gonna receive some criticism in mainstream but I always have anyway so right
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fair enough well yeah of course you do you have to how are you going on time okay great we have
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30 seconds oh no I'm kidding okay so let's I love sunsets okay let's jump into the present yeah
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based on all of your research yes give me an assessment of what's happening in New Jersey
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so a lot of times you can just say you can quickly eliminate
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conventional by the demands like the exhibit of technology right so you have objects a bonafide UAP
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and identified anomalous phenomena exhibits a technology that doesn't make any sound or very
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little sound sometimes you'll get reports of a slight hummin or a buzzing but for the most part
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no sound no wings no visible means propulsion has the ability to hover loiter forever yeah definitely
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or accelerate from a standstill to out of sight the blink of an eye right angle turns at high speed
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you know it's not like boom no air disturbance no wake they also are transmidiome they go in the
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oceans they come in in and out of the oceans okay that's a bonafide UAP right like even after
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careful review of all the data you still can't explain it right now what's happening over New
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Jersey some of the reports these objects are SUV size drones right and they're making noise right
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which is weird because when I first heard that I was thinking to myself these things are making noise
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but their loiterie time loiter time is a long time right and they go dark a lot of times when
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helicopters and stuff are trying to follow them right and there's no infrared I'm told they
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they can't be picked up with infrared there's an interference with other drones that people put
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in the air to try to get closer to their drones up can't get their drones up so if it is a
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conventional propulsion it's highly advanced yeah not the type that a guy like me because I fly drones
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I fly drones for all my movies yeah you know I got you know pro-lever pro-consumer level
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you know what's the longest one of your best 25 minutes 25 minutes yeah 25 minutes these
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objects are big but then I'm hearing other other reports that I just saw yesterday of a fleet
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or sorry a coast guard being followed by objects that appear to have come out of the ocean yeah
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so that's really weird and these are officials that are saying this and police that are saying this
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so there seems to be something truly inexplicable right yeah there's not an easy explanation and I think
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it's one of the reasons why everyone is just like up and arms over it because you I can't as someone
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who's investigated these for as much time as I have I can't because of all the external information
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I'm getting the data that's coming in I can't just give it a label like right this is highly advanced
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conventional propulsion because there's other things demonstrated and there's lots of them and the
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lawyer time is so long and why can't the government why can't the government give us a straight
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answer no that's telltale right there right the fact that they're a himm in and haing and they're
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saying oh well don't worry we have no idea what it is but you're perfectly safe it's like
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hmm right someone tells me that you have no idea what these things are right and why are they not
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trying to in a safe place shoot one of them down right over the water I don't know it seems
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especially the ones that over military bases well that's the best video you know someone posted a
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video of a drone like if they're they're saying look uh if this idea that the the government won't
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shoot down drones let me show you this video of a drone flying into area 51 no one's in there for
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like four minutes no shot out of the sky so clearly we will shoot down drones like this is a fact
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that they're all like well it's against the law we can't shoot these things down so it implies
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they know clearly they know what they are and and probably it's our tech or if you want to go out
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there it also could imply that this is the next drip this is the next sort of if if I wasn't so
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busy right now I'd be there and investigating boots on the ground that's the way to really find out
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about this stuff right I really would I'd like to go I'd like to go to places a lot you know
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I've been flying drones now let's see since gosh seven eight years and I've had one drop out of
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the sky just malfunction freeze explode in the desert floor excuse me battery was full so there wasn't
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that I was flying in a restricted on on the edge of a military base yeah and I'm convinced that they
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did something to the to the technology just something to it and it dropped out of the sky sure dropped
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out like a rock right and I knew I wasn't supposed to be flying but I there's a couple shots I wanted
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to get and I wasn't really risking anyone I would I shouldn't have been flying out there and it said
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no drone flying but I flew it anyway and it dropped out of the sky like a rock so I'm convinced
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and everybody else it was with me they somehow interfered with the technology and dropped it out of
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the sky well that's what people are saying is happening their drones now yeah it would make sense
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of course we would have some kind of tech that like nox drones out of the sky of course yeah I mean
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this is the I saw it happen to me this you know no matter what what's happening in New Jersey wouldn't
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you say it's one of the more like gigantic events in this particular field even if it is
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government tech why would they do that well you know the theories are
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that the the the fear monger theory is they're scanning for radiation
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that they think there's a dirty bomb out there they're scanning for a new again this is just stuff
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you know pop fear mongering fear mongering the other theory and I'll send you this great
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TikTok or someone breaking it down it's so oh some time ago they made an agreement that it would
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be okay for contractors to test experimental drones and the New Jersey core oh come on
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that doesn't make any sense I doesn't make any sense because it's see an in its air space in you know
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you he's shutting airports down it doesn't make any sense either and also some of the videos and again
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who knows some of the videos it's not just these drone things it's orbs it's the classic
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weird flickering orb one of the videos seems to show the orb turning into one of these drones again
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who the fuck knows what footage I'm looking at I don't know but that brings me to another question
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I have for you which is the orb phenomena oh yeah what do you think of that is because we have
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the tick-tax we have the varsina I don't know like that cigar which by the way is this we know that
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we talked about in an earlier podcast umma mooma that whatever it's called oh yeah yeah yeah I
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love that name what one more more yeah cigar yeah cigar yeah yeah it was so fun and too because
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the illustration they did for it made it look more like a rocky thing yeah but then I was like well
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hang on a second it's artificial and it was solar a solar wind solar thing yeah wouldn't it
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it been more I don't know who knows but the the but it accelerated right it was it didn't shouldn't
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you know it's the um I should have asked more questions to the Harvard psychiatrist the heart
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I'm sorry the Harvard lobby low I just hung out with him he's so cool yeah I know I was like
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why didn't I yeah we were so busy and he put his neck out out there he talking about that because
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he's like this is exactly what it looked like if a ship visited us it does all the things so
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but the orb phenomena is interesting to me because it has a sort of spiritual component to it like
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there are people who claim that these things they appear around them there's I've met people who
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who is it that teaches how to call those things you know I'm talking about there's a god he's a
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oh god I can't believe I can't remember if it doesn't matter but he sees the orbs
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no it's some method where you can like all these things and again again I know they could be
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very small too and they could be large too so you have you seen one yes I did what are they
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what do you think these are I you know that's I don't talk about this very often very very very
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seldom but but when I was 20 I was uh it was probably um maybe 10 o'clock at night 930 10 o'clock
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at night and I was in northern California in my bed with um my girlfriend at the time Lisa Reinhardt
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and neither one of us were into UFOs I mean not at all like we never talked about UFOs I mean I'd
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heard some stories in the past from like family friends and stuff but it was like 930 10 o'clock
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and I had a like a queen size bed and then to the right of us lying on we were lying this way
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the good size window yeah maybe maybe four by five maybe a little bigger it was big we went
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out to our right and uh we're both looking at the window and we see this like like egg shaped
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thing that was like a yellowy white and it was just like kind of pulsating a little bit
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yeah right out our window what the she looks at me and she goes what the is that and I said
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I don't know whatever that thing is but whatever it is I get the feeling it knows we're looking at it
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she goes so do I close the blinds I'm scared so I leapt up out of bed and I remember we're trying
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to close the blinds frantically and I ripped them off the wall and hit the floor and then I was picking
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them back up and I was in my underwear and I'm trying to put them blinds up like uh then we like clutching
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each other for a couple of minutes yeah really was kind of scary yeah and um she after a couple
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of minutes she goes I wonder if it's still there and so I peeked through the it was gone then my sister
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Janine came home maybe like an hour later or something and she's like hey what's going on she came
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back from a concert and she was telling us about her concert and we were like we just saw you
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have a phone she goes really like like what and we told her and then we went to bed she went to bed
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woke up the next morning never spoke of it ever again yeah didn't talk to anybody about it at all
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and I was it was I was probably maybe 39 and I was doing I know what I saw
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and I was visiting one of my really good friends down in San Diego this guy John Kimmel
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and he had this morning routine he was like super fit and I work out a little bit but he's
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takes it to the next level like he was like working a jogging down the beach we're gonna swim
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out to this buoy like a quarter mile offshore you know there sharks in the water yeah I know
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and I was like swimming out this buoy feeling all the water of all we go out and then we swim back
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in again and he wants to run to the left and I was like you know John let's go to the right he goes
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the cars to the left and there's nothing to the right and I was like I want to go to the right we
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got kind of an argument I said John I'm going right yeah he goes there's nothing to the right there's
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no food to the right there's no car to the right it's the big barren empty beach and I was like well
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I'm going so he goes with me reluctantly we walking down the beach and there's three people
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sitting on this barren beach Lisa Reinhart her husband and her daughter who was probably like six at
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the time yeah I looked at her and I was like Lisa wow and she was like James who here was like oh my
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God this is my husband and this is my daughter Bob Bottles like oh my God it's so good I can't
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believe I gave her big hug and I looked at her and I go you remember the UFO side of me had yeah
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she goes you damn right I remember that I said what are you remembering that she told me exactly
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like I did that was it but had I had I not been with someone I probably would have just written it
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off like it didn't really happen because I have no explanation for it well that's interesting I'm
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sorry to cut you off but see that's interesting that this is the way we react to things that far
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out of default reality you feel like it was a dream I'm going to believe you who is it what does it
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matter because what does it matter because I'm going to go around something like a crazy guy right you
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know then it's going to be okay well I had this experience now at people that maybe we'll look at
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my work and think well clearly he had this experience and that influences what he believes that's
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not the case at all would it could have somehow been an impetus that that triggered me later in life
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I don't know I don't know listen I'll share one with you real quick okay and I don't
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I have a witness I have a witness she's still around today and I don't talk about this that much
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and it seems like I would I don't know if I've talked about it on the podcast but when I was a kid
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you're crazy no get that's hilarious
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as thank you for that this guy's lost his mind I can't believe you work with this guy
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I make him it's such a based on everything you said such a boring story but I do think I feel like
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telling you really quickly just because I just realized like yeah it's something I really
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hesitate to talk about it's not a big deal when I was a kid woke up in my window of my bedroom
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was a fucking orb just like this weird plasmatic hovering thing same sense of like it's
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aware of me somehow and then I went to bed woke up and to this day I think was it a dream
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but then when I see the footage of these things it's like that's what it fucking looked like
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and and so I am very curious and I know you're at where are you at time do I have time for one more
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question yeah okay this is the orb look anything like your t-shirt it was not that cool oh that's
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pretty cool I could get lost in there oh man this is I am lost right now you guys look
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of all look at the flower of life no we've lost we've lost him it's in there man that is that is so
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cool thanks yes I can't believe people can do this with tie dyes it's unbelievable it's insane beautiful so
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what are you with all of these sightings that are happening everything that's happening
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and honestly you know with the new jersey stuff in particular I think for the first time
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I started feeling creeped out like I started getting not a good feeling I started really
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playing around with the idea like that maybe we're being visited by something well we are
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more advanced than us and it wasn't a good feeling you know it wasn't a hippie feeling of
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they're coming to save us save us or anything it was just like for ourselves you know and like if we
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if you look at the history of like what happens when we show up on yeah it doesn't end well it doesn't
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end well for the people we got speed humans so do you do you have some sense even if it's
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instinctive and intuitive do you have some sense of what we might expect over the next few years
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so the reason why I'm not as spooked because I've already kind of come to terms with the fact
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there's a non-human intelligence present on this planet and from all the cases I've investigated
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all around the world for decades I've come to the conclusion that generally speaking these
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objects are not hostile this this intelligence is not hostile now some people would argue with me
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and say hey we have the reduction phenomenon and there's definitely something to that yeah sure
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okay well I haven't delved into that I've never really covered it yes I've met people like
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striber yeah oh yeah no I know and I and I believe your friends with him right yes I'm
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well yes and I'm also and hey I believe that aspect of the phenomenon and people constantly going
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what can you have in like you know doing any documentaries I'm like that's a really slippery
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slope and I'm already pushing the envelope right I get right now yeah that I'm just not there yet
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right however I did talk to uh not Whitney Striever it was another not John
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his name will come to me as bud hopkins and bud hopkins was amazing guy he was friends with Leslie
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Kane and I was hanging out at his apartment like in 2008 2007 something like that and he's like James
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I got this stuff I want to show you it's incredible like this and and little that I realized that
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was the last time I was ever going to meet him he died of cancer but he goes he goes look at these
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these illustrations I have I'm having my patients they're all from all around the world
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none of them know each other and I've been having them like draw what they see when they wake up
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on the ship so called ship yeah son of a bitch if that drawing wasn't the same like symbols and
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stuff they're seeing they're reporting on the crowd how the hell do you do that if that's not
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compelling evidence I don't know what is right you've got 50 different people all drawing
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variations of the same thing but it's the same damn thing right and you're looking at he goes none
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of these people know each other these are in different countries these are different and they're
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drawing the same thing they're seeing on the ship that to me is whoa that's the most compelling
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I've ever seen for allegations people claim to be an abducted or not you know so so yeah so
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people could say to me oh James you know you're you're being naive and you're saying that it's
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a fairly benign presence for the most part but I still do believe that I do believe that their
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intention was to destroy something they disabled or nuclear weapons right they've done it countless
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times right and I talked to a nuclear launch control officer Robert Salis yeah love you buddy the
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guys amazing and he's like you know James his funny actually because I when I when I met him I
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realized why he was a launch control officer because he's so calm yeah and he's so measured
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and nothing like you know the ruffles his feathers just like like a little Buddha
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because that's the kind of guy you'd want if you want to flip the switch for nuclear war
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right measured mellow mellow yeah he goes well James because about talking about UFOs flipping
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turning all these weapons off turning these nuclear tip warheads from Min and missiles off whatever
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and he goes the way I saw it the message was rather clear it's like taking matches out of the
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hands of a baby really wow wow who's baby little babies playing with nuclear weapons you know it's
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like maybe you shouldn't be doing that catch your hands off the nuclear weapons yes yes thank you so
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much for this conversation it was a joy talking to you and I am so excited to watch your newest
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documentary thank you so out today yes yes let me just quickly say there have been some issues it's
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the most independent release in the history of my 30 year career right because I've had night
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near issues with distribution companies I won't bore your audience with the details of this is the
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most independent release ever it's $20 right now on apple amazon vimio iTunes that's expensive
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if you can afford to get it by it if you can't wait two weeks it'll be available to rent but it's
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a hundred percent independent release and yeah we could if you like what I do and you can afford
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to support it go for it where's the best way what's best for you for them to find it Amazon iTunes
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vimio okay fendango and I listed a bunch of things on my my ex account so you can find me at
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at james c fox at james c fox and I've been posting updates and cool all the various links we had a
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couple of issues earlier today I think it's been ironed out so great great to have me on thank you so
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much I'm reading you thank you for your work everybody watch his show all the links will be in the
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