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A Lockheed Martin DARPA engineer, also worked at NASA,
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Richard Bandurik, just made some unbelievable claims.
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Now, this video is from late 2024,
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but just resurfaced on X.
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It didn't get like really any attention at all
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when it first aired, according at least what I saw.
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Now it's been going viral.
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So is this guy credible or is he full of shit?
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Here's his statement,
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that trillions of UFO particles are sort of scattered across Earth,
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extraterrestrial particles across Earth.
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They've been studying them for years, he says,
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and these materials can cloak themselves,
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they can reassemble themselves,
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and they can self-destruct themselves.
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And he says they're intelligent life forms on top of that,
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So listen to his audio here of this scientist,
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So then you could collect them every once in a while
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and then try to analyze them.
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You could do things like split them apart,
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and they would attempt to find each other or reconfigure.
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Some of the experiments they did was we took one of those
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and we put it on a very hot surface of about 3,000 degrees.
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And what it would do is it cooled the surface around itself.
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And then when we took the device off and then weighed it again,
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we would find that the mass would be reduced by a certain amount.
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Do these feel like programmed materials to you, Richard?
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Yeah, they were, like I was saying,
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they're more intelligent materials.
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Like these subunits probably were pretty,
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had computational functionality, right?
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Because they knew what their neighbors were all about
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and they knew they could reprogram themselves
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to be something different, right?
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If they needed to change themselves.
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So these are really curious types of materials.
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So that's how we could kind of tell they were extraterrestrial
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because these things weren't like decades ahead of us.
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They were probably hundreds of years ahead of us.
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Hundreds of years ahead of us.
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Ross Colhart, a UFO researcher, posted this.
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Well, James Fox is an incredible filmmaker, UFO investigator.
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You know him from his great documentaries like Moment of Contact
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His newest documentary called The Program.
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I highly recommend that you go check it out.
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You can see it on Amazon Prime, YouTube, and Apple TV,
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all of those places.
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And James joins us now.
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James, great to see you.
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Welcome back to the show.
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Thanks so much for having me on.
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So does this claim align with anything you've heard in your research at all?
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I mean, we'll talk about maybe his credibility in a second here,
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but anything you've heard in your research about these sort of like smart dust particles
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that have intelligent life that are sort of scattered across Earth
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from any kind of whistleblowers you've interviewed?
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You've traveled the world investigating UFOs.
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Has any of this aligned with what you found?
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So, you know, I'm definitely on board with the fact that the U.S. government
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has recovered materials of non-human intelligence
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or originating from a non-human intelligence.
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There's no question about that.
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And it's not just because we've had a couple of high-level intelligence officers
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testify under oath as to this reality,
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but it's because of all the field research that I've done
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that sort of led me to, that sort of parallels my field research,
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the testimonies given by these intel officers.
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But I reached out to a couple, and the guy's got,
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this guy, Ben Durek, has got some incredible credentials.
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I mean, he's, you know, NASA engineer, aerospace engineer, DARPA.
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I mean, it's incredible.
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But I think what's really important for all of us to remember is
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the claims needed to, or the evidence needed to verify the following claims,
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whether it be we have, you know, Hal Putoff has said,
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we've got up to 10, possibly a couple of dozen recovered alien spaceships.
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You know, you've got Eric Davis talking about this stuff.
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You've got, obviously, you know, David Grush, you know, Lou Elizondo.
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I think what we really need to focus on is these are extraordinary claims.
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We do need extraordinary evidence.
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But what is wrong with, we need to focus on creating an environment
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that allows people like Ben Durek and Lou Elizondo and David Grush,
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Hal Putoff, Eric Davis, and any other firsthand witnesses,
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second-hand witnesses to whatever nature of the technology or the evidence,
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provide an environment for them to be able to, you know,
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testify freely in open congressional hearings.
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And I remind your audience, most of these people will do that.
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They're willing to take a lie detector test,
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or they're willing to testify under oath.
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They need immunity from their NDAs.
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That is where I think we need to really focus on,
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because, all right, let's just say he's full of doggy doo-doo.
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Look at his credentials.
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I mean, let's see the evidence.
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So I really feel like it's time for us to transition into,
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all right, you know, we contact the president of the United States,
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wave the magic wand, provide immunity,
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relieve these individuals from the NDAs.
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Let's have open congressional hearings the next day,
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and let's get to the bottom of it,
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because the stakes are too high not to.
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Now, I reported over the past couple of days here
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about this Lespresso article commenting on that,
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that Italian newspaper article that said that President Trump,
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there's reporting that President Trump is going to seize control
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of the UFO program from the Pentagon.
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Maybe, like, sort of, I don't know, seize control
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might be a harsh way to put it, but sort of step in,
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take what the Pentagon has been collating,
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is going to step out in front of the podium
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and release some sort of massive disclosure,
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maybe take the wind out of the sails of the Pentagon.
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First of all, the Pentagon answers to the president of the United States,
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so I thought that was garbage to begin with.
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Pete Hegsack is going to be deferential, you know,
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to his president, you know, he's the Secretary of Defense,
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he's going to hand that over to the president,
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the president will do his own press conference,
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Pete might be standing there beside him.
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Nevertheless, this idea that the president
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is going to release some sort of a disclosure,
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are you hearing any rumblings from your sources
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that something big might be coming from the Pentagon?
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So, let me back up for a minute,
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because I interviewed Gerald Ford on this topic.
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Gerald Ford was the one that pushed
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for the first congressional hearings on UFOs
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after there was a landing in Michigan,
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and there was the old, you know,
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the scientific advisor to Project Blue Book,
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Dr. Hynek, says, oh, it might be swamp gas, you know,
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and that, of course, blew up in their faces,
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and we ultimately had congressional hearings.
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I interviewed Ford about that,
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and just before the interview, he said,
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I'll talk about the congressional hearings,
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I'll talk about, you know,
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the incident in Michigan in 1966,
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but don't ask me anything about when I was president.
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Give me the impression that he was not happy
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with the answers he was getting.
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I also interviewed President Jimmy Carter,
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and he said that they had made inquiries
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during his presidency, he himself had seen a UFO,
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but he was not happy with the answers that he was getting.
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He was getting a mixed bag of responses.
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I interviewed John Podesta about the Clinton administration,
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trying to get answers about Roswell.
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You know, Lawrence Spellman Rockefeller
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basically went to, you know,
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whoever was going to be the next president in the 90s,
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it turned out to be Clinton,
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and he said, either you're going to look into this UFO matter
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and make what's known the government knows public,
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or I'm going to put on every single newspaper
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across the country why you won't do it.
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He says, pick a case.
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Lawrence came back, Roswell.
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They looked into Roswell.
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They said they were not happy with the answers they were getting.
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So while I'm extremely optimistic about the Trump administration,
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based on decades of previous research with other presidents,
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both Republican and Democrat,
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they were not happy with the access they were getting.
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They knew they were getting the runaround.
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I worry a little bit about that
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because the intelligence agencies have everything to lose
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and nothing to gain by relinquishing control of what they know,
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obviously having to reveal the things that they don't know.
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So I'm optimistic, but cautiously optimistic,
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and I'll do everything I can, obviously,
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from the sidelines to help the administration.
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And Trump has admitted publicly
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that he's not very interested in the subject,
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that he's kind of incurious about it.
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And so, I mean, he's been asked repeatedly.
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Well, hey, he could be the disclosure president.
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This would be the biggest, most historic thing
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in the history of mankind.
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Let's just, like, ask the audience,
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can we suspend judgment
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and just imagine if it were true for a moment?
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We really did have this technology we're tinkering with,
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and that's the biggest story ever.
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I think it's the biggest story in human history.
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I personally believe it's the biggest story in human history.
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I mean, what could be bigger than that, right?
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People ask me all the time,
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why do I continue doing what I do?
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Why do you do what you do?
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And I say, oh, it's a good question.
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Let me answer that question with a question.
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I say, imagine for a moment,
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if it were true, this,
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recovered materials, we're not alone,
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you know, definitive data that the government has,
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how significant of a story would you give that?
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And everyone goes, oh, my God, that's true.
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It would be the biggest story in the history of mankind.
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Well, we have people lining up with everything to lose
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and nothing to gain.
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This is not a career-enhancing move coming forward
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and making these allegations.
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We need to provide steps necessary
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to give these guys immunity,
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put them, let them testify under oath
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in open congressional hearings,
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release the classified data,
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you know, needed to verify those claims.
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There's no other path.
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Let's prove these guys wrong
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or let's get to the bottom of this.
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James, I'll get you out of here on this question,
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which is you saw, you know,
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you know Jeremy Corbell well, I'm sure, of course,
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and back in January,
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he made a claim that he knew a lie
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was about to be told to all of us.
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And the lie, he said,
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was that a giant interstellar craft,
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we would be told that a giant interstellar craft
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of unknown origin is heading towards Earth.
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And over the past 48 hours,
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that's what's happening.
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There's a number of publications that have come out
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saying there's some large,
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some sort of object heading towards Earth,
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some sort of large interstellar something.
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We don't know what it is.
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And he said, here's the lie.
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So what do you make of this over the past few days?
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Okay, so I actually have an interview
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that I did in the mid 90s with Dr. Mitchell,
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who's the fourth, let's say Apollo 14,
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sixth man to walk the moon, Dr. Edgar Mitchell.
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And he said to me, James, and this is in the 90s
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and I have it on, I recorded it.
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This is an interview I did with him.
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And he said, they're gonna stage an alien invasion.
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I said, what are you talking about?
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He said, yes, it's gonna be a big distraction.
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They're gonna stage an alien invasion.
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Now, do I believe him or did I believe him?
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But would it be a huge distraction
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from what we're dealing with?
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It sounds to me like it could be.
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You know, I don't know.
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But there's been a lot of this disinformation.
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I'll leave it on this.
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I'll remind your audience that after we had near landings
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on the White House lawn,
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two consecutive weekends in 1952 in Washington, D.C.,
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we had the Robertson panel in early 1953,
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December, January, I'm sorry, January, February, 1953.
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And they said, they looked at the data and they said,
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you know, it's kind of difficult to deny
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that the phenomenon is real.
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There's something definitely going on here.
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I would try a new approach to the general public
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and I would make light of it
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and ridicule those who claim to have seen it.
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And that was a policy that stuck.
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And it stuck probably the most effective policy
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on the phenomenon that ever,
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and we're still dealing with it somewhat today.
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So do you believe like this idea
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that they would stage a fake alien invasion?
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I've been hearing from my sources on this
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for over, you know, a couple of years
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that they're going to stage a fake alien invasion.
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And what's the point of it?
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I guess my question is, what's the point of it?
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Is it to make us scared
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so they can put in some sort of massive
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technocratic biosurveillance state on us
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and control us even more deeply than they already are?
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I honestly, I really don't know,
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but I quite honestly,
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I wouldn't put anything past them at this point.
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I mean, I've seen the disinformation going on.
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I mean, as someone who's been in the field
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when I've seen countless explanations
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given by whoever they are,
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the intelligence agencies or the official positions,
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the Pentagon or the DOD,
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and I'm going, oh my God,
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you got to be kidding me.
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And the Americans are like,
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people are buying this because they don't know
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like what's going on.
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they haven't talked to the witnesses.
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It is incredibly frustrating.
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I wouldn't put anything past them.
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They're certainly desperate at this point.
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We're going to keep the pressure on.
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Yeah, I agree with you on that.
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And we're going to do what we can
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to keep the pressure on these people.
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James Fox, incredible filmmaker.
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Go check out his latest documentary
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Just watch it on Apple TV.
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You can watch it on YouTube now.
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And it's also available on Amazon Prime.
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if you haven't seen The Phenomenon,
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go watch that one too.
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Highly recommend it.
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James, great to see you as always.
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Thanks for having me on.
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