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For thousands of years people have been seeing objects in the sky that they can't identify and
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Today we have somebody who has actually
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Retrieved a UFO firsthand a firsthand witness
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The energy is just really good
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We don't let us sleep for either of us you guys didn't sleep at all no fucking way. Why?
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We have five people sending you our cameras right now and nobody knows why we're here. You didn't tell them? No, you didn't tell them no, bro
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Okay, everybody can we have everybody here? I just want to let everybody know what we're here for
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Start with just thank you everybody came in on a 36 hour notice
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For the first time and all these years of doing interviews with
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UFO-related people today we're gonna be talking to
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First-hand witness so it's no longer the guy that talked to the guy. It is the guy himself
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Part of why I'm valuable is because I am like I'm at the Tinker Jetson this thing
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People have heard from on a high-life administrative
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Exactly exactly. This is super dangerous for him right now
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Like right now we're in a limbo because the story supposed to break out on on news nation
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Hopefully with this week and every day that it doesn't go live. There's more danger in life
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So tell me about the moment when you realized that you were involved in a retrieval of
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Non-human technology
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I was trained as a pilot a long time ago and the last 20 years
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I've served more as a pilot than I have as a ground crew member or any other capacity
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Jake have you retrieved the non-human craft? Yes, I have
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For everyone that's getting spouses right now humble yourself from the perspective of what you consider believable
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Can you describe the retrievals end-to-end? Yeah, what happens where are you?
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I sit back at a separate location. I get GPS coordinates at the very last second
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I get dispatched I go there and then in route from very short range out maybe five minutes out
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I get read a description of what it is I'm picking up
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It's so real when you look at it
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It's not like in the background you're hearing oh, and there's this light like this is an epic moment
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Where's the crescendo of me? It's like no, there's just flying a helicopter come or ridger
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There's an egg sitting there and dude sitting around on the ground flashing you caught walk calling you in
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It doesn't register is exciting, you know in that format
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I don't know when I when I'm hearing the story a big giant 20-foot egg
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How do you know that's non-human intelligence since we've left the program and
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Reorganized and are now working with arrow I can make the eggs show up and we have and we've demonstrated it
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Post-programmed and we did it in August. Oh my god. It's a broad daylight
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At the moment we elicit it the egg the egg flies by in dead silence moving at
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10,000 miles per hour
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Everyone likes to ask why am I not afraid that someone's gonna try and silence me with death
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There are people that have died
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Who were coming out and who were speaking out on our activities?
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Anybody you know yes?
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Can he say anything more? No, because there's an investigation
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I'm not afraid of the boogie man. I am the boogie man
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You don't want to show up at my house and think you're gonna be successful with brute force because
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That's gonna go south for you really quickly
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Stigma attached to it, but that's not it. It's not about like flying equipment like well
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Can we get into flying saucer and like get to London in two minutes or could we get there yesterday because now
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We know trying like screw all that the real implications are way more powerful
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It's realizing that there is something else out there that's maybe not extra at all
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It's something that's part of us. It's like outer space versus interspace is all the same
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Different parts of the rain have different activities
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Mogie man for thousands of years people have been seeing objects in the sky that they can identify
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for maybe the last 80 years we've been speculating as to American government other governments involvement with UFOs and
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Today we have somebody who has actually
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Retrieved a UFO first hand a first hand witness and
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We have this amazing crew by the way. We have a mar president. We have Logan present and
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We don't have you know, we've gotten to know you a little bit over the last month
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But we don't have a ton of context as to what exactly you experience and so we want to really get down to the basics and
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Maybe just start with
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Who are you? Let's bring it all the way back to your childhood. Okay
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I mean first thing I should say is like looking back to me. It's clear that
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The intelligence community looks for kids like me
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I had what you could probably call what I the four eyes, let's say imagination
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intuition and instincts
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My grandfather's were the best men you could ever imagine
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Call them Navy grandpa and army grandpa. Let's do that. So
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Navy grandpa was a very influential naval officer. He was
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Actually a member of the Navy sales predecessors the scouts and raiders
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He and my my other grandfather army grandpa
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They laid the foundation to our family literally put the cornerstone in took had their pictures taken in the 50s lane
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The cornerstone to our our family church up until the point my parents divorced
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I had a pretty good childhood, but when stepfamilies entered the picture
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When things became hell for me how did they become hell?
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The environment and the stepfamilie at my mom's house which was where I spent most of my time was abusive
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Physically abusive specifically because of your stepfather stepfather and stepbrother his son
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Who is much older than me, but what sort of abuse?
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I mean really all three if there are three like what like physically verbally and
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low-key sexually abusive like borderline sexually abusive too and
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so I just I chose to like live outside basically and by the time I got in high school my
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Navy grandpa had encouraged me to get into swimming and water polo and
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I had also continued to do art and music and had entered a science contest and
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One a state science fair based on a project I had done. It was the project
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It's called color chords and in my music class I had we had learned at a very rudimentary level this thing called the circles of fifths which is
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a basically a pie chart where
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You can break down and learn the intervals of harmonies
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Basically got a root note for many root note. There's a what's called a perfect fifth and that fifth rings a harmony which
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Is pleasant. There's also a third and in a major chord you have a first a third and a fifth in a minor chord
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You have a first a minor third which is a half interval down
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But you keep that major fifth and it it makes what people refer to as like a sad sound or sad
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But they're both beautiful. It's more of a happy beautiful and then like a deeper dramatic beautiful
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The understanding of harmony in the sound world is when wavelengths overlap in a way that forms some form
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of geometry that is enhancing rather than degrading to the independent waveforms you get something like harmony and your ear can pick that up when your emotions can react to it in a variety of ways
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So I'm like well shoot if photons make waveforms
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Are there color combinations that can have that same complementary
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Interplay or when the colors combined that they're pleasant and could it be that they actually elicit the exact same emotions
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It was really cool. I did well in our local area and I kept I went on to county and then I went on to the state and I got awarded with like 10 other kids and award at the state level for that project
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Well, you are you talk about trauma being a part of what the intelligence community was looking for. Yeah, let's get into the juicy stuff
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Which is the Air Force recruiting you. Yeah
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How did they recruit you had you get in touch?
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When I got expelled my senior year my
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grandfather pulled some strings and got me into another high school
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My parents were involved in that process, but
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Unbeknownst to my parents. I also had this secret intervention with my grandfathers both of them came together and the
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Beginnings pouring military opportunities for me. They like they just saw that that's what I needed and for me
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I was like, yeah, I want to jump out airplanes and kill bad people like I'm all in just I want that job
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I don't want to do like a desk job or cook and so
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They set out made phone calls and you know looking back
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I don't think they had any idea what they were getting me into I mean I didn't either I don't blame them
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It's not like they were complicit or part of some deep state and like put their
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Grants on up for offering to the program. It wasn't like that, but you know
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I took some initial screening in our local area and then we traveled down by UCLA and I went through a series of tasks
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Over multiple visits like all your basic stuff. I mean physical stuff
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Physiological, but then went into psychological
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Testing creative testing so I went down and the first time I'd ever taken an IQ test
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So you take it two times at least twice, but two different ways they'll say the first time I took it
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I think it was just a straight-up IQ test and I remember knowing exactly what I got because I was so interested to find out
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And it was like 138 and I was like oh that kind of sucks like that's not very high. It's pretty high
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I like that you're not supposed to be smarter than that hundreds average
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But then they do the second thing which is a stress IQ test
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Hmm, and so you take the same test
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But I put on this oxygen mask that sealed my face with no air coming to it whoa and
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I took that test and I tested a 152 no way so he scored higher
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I scored way higher under stress and that's when my concept for comfort and chaos began to form and I was like
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Oh, like I'm a different person. I'm like see things more clearly like I see the code or whatever like under stress
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It's like things make more sense to me
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Anybody watching this is probably thinking this is a very unique recruiting process for the military
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This isn't like going online submitting an application. What did you end up getting recruited? Yeah, so
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I ended up getting recruited to a brand new program that was called G-TEP which was a guaranteed
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Education program. I believe is what the acronym was at the time and for me
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This was a ten-year contract that would fast track me through special operations training
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Through the department of the Air Force
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Through a career field at the time called combat control
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It's still called combat control and what's interesting for people to probably know which moving forward keep this in the back of your mind is that
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You know the Air Force is this agency that straddle the blue black line. Let's call it
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Since its inception in 1947 like two weeks after Roswell incident you get the National Security Act
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You get the formation of the Air Force CIA at the same time department of defense and the Air Force has been that agency that
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Straddle the blue black line ever since and just to be clear for the audience the
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Blue black line the blue is the kind of
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Open source white world yeah, the open black world is you know highly clear sensitive stuff is that right? Yeah, I think the good way to think about it is
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The black world that we operate in is like a four-dimensional projection into a three-dimensional world
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It has its presence here and there's indications of it
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But you're not going to get it because so much of what you're seeing is tied and connected to other things
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Through through another dimension you're not paying attention to and that's that's how this exists
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That's how we exist and that's how we manipulate
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reality and truth and get away with things that people don't understand that is unbelievable
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You sound like Carl Sagan describing platonic. Yeah, I don't mean to be having an elite military unit. Yeah, what I need to make very clear is
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Although I was prospected into combat control
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I became something very different and that was simply my gateway into the program
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So I signed a contract for combat control in 1994 and
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shipped off to basic training in Texas after completing basic training at lack of Air Force base Texas
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I then was shipped out to a place called
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Operating location hotel which we called OLH and this was
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Selection or Air Force special warfare combat control pair rescue and although I had been pre-scrained and signed to this crazy 10-year contract that guaranteed
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This 17-year-old kid
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two and a half years of specialized training which to understand how
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Incredible that is is traditionally are I should say historically for special warfare or special operations like military
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wide you don't get into to those programs without first being enlisted and then earning your selection and being recommended for
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Special units and then even once you're in those special units what specialized schools you go to is
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Is not guaranteed and it happens over the period of time so after I graduated selection
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Which which is the initial phase of weeding out candidates? It's about a four-week course at OLH
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We had a class about 89 people I remember and nine of my original classmates graduated together from that class and then we shipped off to the to what we call the pipeline which is our
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Our trade our trade schools where we learn our craft
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Somewhere early on in the the pipeline I was approached by two individuals who convinced me that
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It would be a good idea if I became an airplane mechanic and
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Can he say anything more about those two individuals?
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One of them was clearly gay
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Which was interesting because I quite enjoyed the talk I thought it was fun
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And for some reason I've always been really compatible with gay men
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Much to their disappointment because I'm very straight as narrow with my sexual orientation
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But so there's that I can share that and they had sold me on the
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You know they sold me on this idea and ultimately what it was I knew I was doing something different and special and you have to understand in the 90s
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The opt-empo was really low and
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Everyone kind of knew like you you would go through your training
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But a lot of guys that once they made it to their teams were kind of like
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Dude, let's go let's go to war and there was no war
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And so a lot of people were getting out tired of just training and what was kind of sold to this young crazy kid
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Jacob Barber was that you're gonna get to do things others aren't gonna get to do
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There is a lot going on that we'd like to use you for but you first have to go do this thing for us
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And that is learning how to be an airplane mechanic so I'm like, okay?
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I then shipped off to airplane mechanic school upon completing that I reported directly to Pope Air Force Base in North Carolina
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When I was there, you know, I spent a lot of time turning wrenches on the on the flight line as a mechanic
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But outside of that I spent all my time training was that a hazing ritual or would that come in handy with what you were ultimately like?
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What was a hazing like like just learning to become an airplane mechanic? No, it was my cover. Okay, so my cover was working as an airplane mechanic
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came in during the Clinton era and
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That's no coincidence that had a lot to do with this program and what I became come to find out
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I spent a lot of time deploying on those type of missions and support of
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President Clinton I can explain I can go to detail there a little bit. I was involved in Bosnia. I deployed to Bosnia
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I was involved in liberation of Kuwait had a lot of combat time
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But ultimately what I was being refined for was a red teamer
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I became a red team expert red team you could think of is an opposition force and in fact
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That's it's exactly what we call it is opt-for opposition force and
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Red team's job in any scenario is to exploit all the weaknesses of blue team and
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Find the vulnerabilities and then use those against blue team
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So in an exercise we would participate where the militaries
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Blue forces or or traditional forces would deploy their tactics and then we would be
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Set out to play the opponent or the enemy and we're given liberty boundless liberty on how to just go and fuck up their life
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like try and make their life hell you get to be creative think outside the box innovate ways and find holes in our systems
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So we'd go out and it was a lot of fun and we'd find ways to completely disrupt the standard operating procedures of units and
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that were global and
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dealt very closely with other
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subject matter related to UAP were involved with those and had to come up with innovative ways to
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To be adversarial towards our own forces and I found out that like my four eyes that I explained earlier were tools of war and
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You know anyone that's read the art of war, you know, what's the first rule in the art of war?
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You know, no, it is the first room deception
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Deception deception is the first rule in the art of war is to deceive and to always act like something you're not
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Now I think about it. That's probably alarming coming for me right now. I was just gonna ask how do we know you're not red teaming us right now
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Well, you don't you don't know that I'm you really don't that was an honest answer. Yeah, you don't know that so I and all I can do it
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I expect to get asked that a lot is like
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You know, I'll paraphrase a book from Matthew. I think it is like you will know me by my fruits
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hmm and so just pay attention to what's happened and you could evaluate the impact of what I'm doing yeah, and
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And that's all you can do well, that's an amazing message for the audience to which is they should
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Corroborate the things that you're saying through their own open source research. Yeah, and if it if it validates and checks
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They should they should think for themselves. Yeah, not just you know take all of us for our word no
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really nilly you mentioned other things being sort of adjacent to UFO or UAP retrievals
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What were the other things you were doing as part of this group?
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While while enlisted I did a lot of
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Security and escort of HVTs which are called high-value targets
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So I held a natal top secret security clearance
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um at times when I needed to and was manifested to classified flights where we would be dispatched
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We would secure targets and transport those targets and deliver them to other places and then hand them off to other teams
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um these targets most of the time were like sealed containers
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um we called them mystery boxes. I couldn't tell you what was inside
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Um, it could be a variety of things. There was a variety of sizes
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Something you know small enough that could fit on a helicopter something large enough that it had to be put on a c5 galaxy
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Uh, sometimes it had to be trucked
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Sometimes it had to be taken in pieces, but it was always put in the little mystery boxes um
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One thing that should be noted is that
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One of these missions I was involved in I got very sick
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Lost every hair on my body
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Skin peeled off my arms. I was nauseous
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um and I was it was obvious in hindsight
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That I was exposed most likely to some form of radiation
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And this really upsets some people when I tell this story especially friends like
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Dr. Gary Nolan who's who helps me with with this issue now
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um, but real quick just for the audience. Yeah, Gary Nolan is a Stanford microbiologist. Yeah, he's a Nobel nominee every year
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He's tenured there and he's incredibly interested in the UFO subject. Yes. In fact
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He claims to have and I've seen them actually crash retrieval parts. Yeah from his friend
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He's a long time kind of the godfather of UFO research a guy named Jacques Ballet. Yeah, he does mass spectrometry on them
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But he also was approached by the CIA and I think 2016-ish around
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People who have encountered a UAP NHI and the biological effects that they've heard and that's that's the nature of my relationship
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Yeah, I I now I'm still suffering from that experience most likely and subsequent experiences and but it's only now
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that I'm getting proper care because of
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I want to say this because I don't want to make the Air Force out to be
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This evil air responsible entity because as much as they are they also aren't
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In this one circumstance. I don't believe they knew what we were dealing with
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This is why I think that one incident and looking back with 2020 vision hindsight, you know
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It's likely that was also related to the UAP topic because
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How do we know what was in that box? We would have there would it we have a protocol for dealing with nuclear hazmat and
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And none of that was in place and I still got exposed so I think something in that box that
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Were you carrying the box? No, we don't care. It's too heavy. It's it's loaded on the craft
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We ask for it as you ask for it at it
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We ask for it and we protect it with the authority to use deadly force and it was emitting that much
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Radiological energy I think it got turned on at some point
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Which is another interesting thing like how did it come on while we were in air like they turned on or turned off or there was some level of fallout
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What makes you think that it was a UAP or UFO and not like an electromagnetic pulse like some of these exotic
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Like a read that emit radiological energy. Yeah. Well, EMPs are different a lot of the HBMs
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Are safe to be around
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You're not you're not going to get
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high doses of gamma radiation by exposing yourself to any MP but
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um, I would just say
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Let's not get too much into this night in this mission without getting into trouble, but I'll just tell you that the
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I don't blame the Air Force or anyone for how that was handled except with the exception of the fact of seeking medical treatment afterwards
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I couldn't talk about what it happens. So therefore the causation was really difficult for doctors to like
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To come up with there was there was symptomology without
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causation and I was treated for things that weren't necessarily consistent with
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Radiation poisoning and I healed up from it
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Uh, what were all the symptoms that you experienced so like I end up
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Now I mean I have a heart murmur that I never had before. Okay, so my heart's messed up
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Again, I lost all the hair on my body. I look like just a bino lizard dude like no pubic hair no eyebrows
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No nose hair, which I wish was still the case, but
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Whatever the one benefit. Yeah, one benefit. No ear hair. No nose hair. Yeah. Um, I had rashes
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My immune system seems compromised in some way that can't explain. I just have random
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uh autoimmune disorders and
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And so this was where Gary has come in handy is that he's reviewed my medical records and we're trying to make sense of
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20 years of things that have happened and how it
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You know forget the past like moving forward my concern is that
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There's some you know hidden gremlin that's going to show up later in life
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We're gonna be way behind on how to deal with you know cancer or whatever. I hate to throw that term around but
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I got mad man. Yeah, so um
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But so that incident just to get back to the subject. Can I can I ask you one more question? Yeah, what happened?
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When Gary took a look at your you know physical chart and the symptoms
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Did he say they accorded with other UFO? Yes, the experience. Yeah, he did specifically. What's the guy from Rindlesham forest in 1980
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John Burrows John Burrows and Jim peniston
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John Burrows Jim had had similar symptoms that I did and had
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Similar issues with his BA records as I did so he also had scarring in his dorsal stradum
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He had scarring in his caught it nucleus and pataymon. Yeah, did you have that?
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I haven't I still have to get my comprehensive MRIs like I haven't had a brain MRI that's revealed that but I do know
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He had a hard issue. Yeah, we have the same hard issue. Oh wow. Yeah, it exists before and either of us that was the one thing
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that Gary shared and
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Similar situation with the records, but and for for context for for people the Rindlesham forest incident was I think 1980
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Yeah, where I was a suffoc royal air force metal waters and it was you had Jim peniston
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Burrows all these guys who were
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They saw this like light in the forest. Yeah, I did that one incident
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This is we were talking earlier about how things get lost over time
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In this environment how keyed up we are right now for proof and there's a lot of attention on this if that incident
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If bent waters happen today or tomorrow
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Case would be close, but that single incident has
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All the proof and evidence that you need that this thing is real from a public perspective from a firsthand witness from a government response and cover up
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Like it's there. It's a close book lord norton who is the
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Head of the naval fleet for for the entire UK. Yeah saying that this you know was it was a thing this this happened
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And it simply isn't any good
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Ministers and the ministry of defense in particular saying that nothing that took place that December night in Suffolk is of defense interest
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It simply isn't true and you had a
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Colonel Charles Holt as well. They do it to an investigation afterwards and everything checked no
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All in I shows up in plain hvts court team show up haul everything away people are sworn to secrecy people are
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interrogation of the I mean they're they're given truth serum
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They're given sodium pentathol so that they basically give like a an extremely explicit readout of what actually occurred
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And that itself didn't take place in a vacuum
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You have a great book called UFOs and nukes by a name Robert Hastings
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ICBM security personnel radar operators
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Guys that work at these nuclear bases across the United States and in some cases they're joint nuclear bases and in UK and other places
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And they all experienced these thing these these orbs discs plasma balls crazy sorts of things yeah in certain cases
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They claim to have boarded crafts
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If anybody out there wants a good starting point if
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To take an on ramp into this subject matter. I recommend going to
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The what was called the citizens hearings in 2013. It's on YouTube. Yep. It's a it's a full week
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Of what's essentially a mock congressional hearing where they brought in there's over 20 hours of testimony over five days
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Everyone from academia
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enthusiasts all all those areas that have expertise and experiences documented and they come and they testified a very professional formal setting
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former and current congressional members and they lay it all out. It's the whole history and um
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Bentwater's incident is covered in there
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Something about that is irritating because it's like okay
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Where are all the whistleblowers? Let's wait until they come out like no they've come out they have come out like take the time
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If if you want to form a vehement argument that's anti
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Whatever this subject is
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Put in the work to go look like yep like Ross's book in plain sight. There's so much that's already in plain sight
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It's in plain sight. It's in plain sight
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Jake have you retrieved a non-human craft? Yes, I have
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Okay, let's get into that all right. What's the story behind that um
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I went back to California and I began
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Going to work on the next chapter of my life which is working as a contractor for the broader intelligence
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After 9-11 was looking east with vengeance and the special operations community went crazy
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Which kind of served as like the perfect distraction for me and my work because nobody was looking domestically
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Nobody was looking out west and we continued to do our work out here and I I quite literally took a left turn at
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Albuquerque to quote bugs bunny. I knew I should have taken it left to in Albuquerque and
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We had a cover contract through the BIA which is a bureau of Indian affairs at a sovereign nation close to
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Missile range in New Mexico and
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um and and less the audience be skeptical of this left turn into you know
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There's actually a long history of the American intelligence communities activity on Indian reservations
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You actually you can watch a really popular Netflix show right now called the octopus murders
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Okay, which involves all sorts of activity with whack-and-hut, you know, it's private security contractor
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On Native American lands and it's it's a somewhat common thing. So well, it's a good place to go if uh
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You know, there's a lot of security and ambiguity there from a structure standpoint and
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Something important to understand is that the
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legitimacy is the best cover. This is something we say all the time. So
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Put my public face or my my structured face or my three-dimensional identity out there
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It's got to be a legitimate work and I spend most of my time doing that so um
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I specialize in security and transportation
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aeronautical operations and even more specifically helicopters. I'm basically a helicopter operations expert and security expert. So
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I stood up and got involved with um
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helicopter operating companies and held many
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contracts with the DOD department of interior
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state department and
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agencies as well and through that work we basically although the majority of our time was spent
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Doing the day-to-day work and keeping that business up and going our real purpose was to make ourselves available for the call
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Let's say or the calls that would come in and we would be put to work on
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missions for the program and
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Because of my experience
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Working as a red team member and already having the clearances and already having proved myself
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I don't know how to say it other than you know
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Certain individuals were passing my business card around and it's a lot of work maintaining aptitude and currency and a variety of skills
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legitimate civilian licenses and things and credentials. What's your title at this point?
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Like do you have a title or are you a full kind of ghost? I mean I'm I'm a
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I'm a lot of things like so
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I don't know how to answer that like I mean I mean at this point with you know take a left turn to albuquerque
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Yeah, dealing with the department of interior. What's your job title?
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Uh director of operations for a helicopter company
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Yeah, interesting. Yeah, so I'm director of operations for a helicopter company
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I'm program director for Gracie, Jiu-Jitsu, NorCal
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I'm a flight instructor for law enforcement for airborne law enforcement agency
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I hold a lot of titles. I'm also I have the president of a
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corporation that has
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Manufacturer's wheelchair patented wheelchair parts for the veterans hospital. I service
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Fitness centers on a number of key military bases
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That if I name them they'd make a lot of sense to you. So I'm a lot of different things. Yeah
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You're like a Uber driver in LA, but way more badass. I like to think I'm more badass than an Uber driver at this point
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Other or some badass
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The most insane multi-hyphenate ever but at this so at this point having all these different
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Potential covers is what's actually serving you and what you're doing because you could you could be a flight instructor at this company
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Or you could be just like directing operations for trends on transportation
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Can you say anything about the companies that you worked for in the context of these UFO crash retrieval?
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Look man if you took two guesses you'd get both of them right on the first try
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At the end of the day like I'm just a security and transportation guy
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So I should want to get to the UAP subject is like
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Law enforcement and security work. It's not like that like
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We understand the idea of a paramedic sitting over here
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In an ambulance waiting for a call who specializes in emergency medical response
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It's like we're not sitting there as a crash recoverable team with our little CER patch on our chest and our little alien like
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Dice hanging from the rearview mirror of the helicopter. We're ready to roll when the alien phone rings crash
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No, it's like we're doing other shit and like we're gonna go out and we do a lot of recovery. It's not just
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Exotic craft we recover all kinds of things
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When a call would come in typically a minute we were going out to what I called the range
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Which is in the desert of California and we would be there to support from a
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Transportation standpoint the operations out there
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The range was a giant playground for
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Department of Defense and its private aerospace partners for testing weapons technology radar technology
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Craft experimental craft and that craft's resilience to radar and weapons technology and vice versa
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It was during this work
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When I can talk I'm gonna hear to talk about two different experiences with exotic
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Craft that was non-human in origin
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Some of this time out on the range when I had these experiences
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First experience I want to talk about is when we recovered an egg and we just call it the egg because that's what it was
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It's like a giant white egg
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The night that this happened we weren't expecting an egg. I wasn't briefed on an egg
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When this happened it was a surprise to everyone. I can tell you within
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Not only my leadership structure, which is most concerning when they're surprised, but also everyone around me on my team
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When this happened we had to go we
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All-cert our communication protocol. We altered our security protocol
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And it was obvious to everyone that what we were dealing with was something extraordinary
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Um my job that night was as a helicopter pilot
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I was not on the ground. I was called in to
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The external load what we call external load or through a long line which is
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150 foot sometimes 200 foot long line that hangs below the helicopter
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It has a remote hook on it that remote hook can be attached to hardware that secures the load and then we fly that load away to
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Drop point and from there it goes wherever it's gonna go on a secured transport. Did you see this egg?
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I saw it absolutely. What it looked like
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20 feet plus or minus
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10% from my point of view you know I was
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150 feet from it had a 150 foot long line that night
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Hubbard right over it hooked up to it
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It looked like a giant 20 feet longitudinally. Yeah 20 feet longitudinally
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spherical with a little bit of an asymmetrical three-dimensional rounding shape to it is like
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A pearly white like I don't know if it was wet or moist, but it it wasn't like flat white
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It was like pearly white granted. This is at
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At night at this point it was
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After civil twilight so it's dark
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I'm flying under NVGs, but there was enough
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lunar illumination that I could see it with the naked eye. It's an NVG
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Night vision goggle. Uh-huh. So it's an enhanced omnilectronic system that
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Takes an account. Uh-Iar light, but you can see it outside. I could see it. I could flip my goggles up and see it and flip my goggles down and see it
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It was secured with net and somebody wrapped wrapped nets around it
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Somebody on your team. Yeah, someone on the ground team
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Wow, and did they sort of touch the craft while they were wrapping nets around? The team there must have touched it. Yeah
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And did they experience any effects that they say about it? I didn't talk much. It was compartmentalization on steroids that night. So
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We didn't I didn't debrief with the ground crew
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Much there's a few guys on the ground crew that we've talked to since
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A lot of the details of everyone's experience, you know, weren't shared necessarily
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Any other core details about the craft the weight any symbology on it. Yeah. No, I mean it was smooth seamless. No symbology
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I could tell you it was less than 5,000 pounds because that was the capacity of my helicopter at that time
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I don't remember exactly what it weighed
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You know when I when we fly in to to recover a load or to pick any we use the term pick which is I'm going to connect and all something off no matter what it is
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I get a briefing on the way in as to
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What my load is going to be I get disclosed. It's approximate weight
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Dimensions and then I get a hazmat disclosure as to whether or not there's any hazmat on board or 30 souls on board
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That night there was no disclosure for hazmat or souls on board or what we call S.O.Bs souls on board and it was just an object and
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Yeah, took it to a drop point which was about 15 miles away and
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Said it down very carefully and
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It was hauled off somewhere and that was the end of it
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Why do you think it landed on a human flight testing range? I could see a skeptic in the audience saying oh awfully convenient
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Yeah, that you're landing right next to wherever you guys are operating
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Yeah, well it wasn't next it actually went off the range which was at a department of our challenge
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And I can't tell you where it landed
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But it was tracked and intercepted over the range and by the time it finally interfaced with the ground
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It was off the playground
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Which complicated our recovery
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Would another possible answer to that be
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That UAPs are attracted to sensitive military sites. We know exactly what they're attracted to and we
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We intentionally attract them
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Anyone that's out playing around with this kind of stuff
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Knows that there are things that they are attracted to
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Whether or not that was intentional
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That was the the primary objective that night. I don't know
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I can't tell you that that night there was another team present that I know of that
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deals with the summoning component of data collection
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That team's intention
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Usually is or known to be associated with
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Summoning or getting a UAP or non-human craft to show up
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Question from the audience
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Was the egg sitting upright when you pulled up on it? Oh, it was flat
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Did it appear like a crash or did it land and it didn't look messed up to me and there was no disturbed earth around it
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It's not like a toe-picked in or like you know
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I don't know when I when I'm hearing the story a big dry 20-foot egg
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How do you know that's not human intelligence? Okay, that's great question. Yes. I'm I've got
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I've got three different
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reasons or criteria for for determining that it was in H.I. One
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relying on myself as a
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What flies around in our skies
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Extreme of advanced technologies and capabilities within the US government at the highest level in private industry and seeing those things
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Fly around and operate at the range all the time
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And this is why it was kind of a process for me up until
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Very shortly after the egg because still the night of the egg is just like you get called in everyone's all nervous
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But it's so real when you look at it. It's like
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It's not like in the in the background you're hearing oh and there's this light from heaven like you grew up on movies
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It's like this is an epic moment. Where's the crescendo? It's like no
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There's just flying a helicopter come or ridge or there's an egg sitting there and dudes sitting around
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The ground flashing you caught walk calling you in while you're flying your hook. I'm like where's like
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Where's all the intensity? It's like it's so blatant and in your face and so real
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It can almost it doesn't register as exciting
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You know in that format now. I'm sure the experience of running into an alien in your bedroom
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Is not that way, but I've never had that experience so I don't know but
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What I'm getting at is you know for me it was a process up to there because
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So many things we see in the sky out at the range are
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fantastical. It's like you see things change shape change color come in
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To site go out of site travel at extreme speeds appear to go and come
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From the earth or the mountain or a ridge
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And you just assume most of the time that what you're seeing is our own advanced tech or cloaking systems or projections or
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light artifacts of weapon systems
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um, and then you've just got from you know just from being outside at night in the desert
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Which I can invite anyone to go
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Spend some time out night just looking up with your dumb human eyeballs and you're gonna see some weird stuff
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So I we've seen a lot of stuff and that night number one. It was not expected
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So if it was human there would have been a much different response to it
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Um, there would have been some expectation that what we were working that on that night may have may have not responded well
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To the radar that was being thrown at it and we would have expected a crash and it's like okay
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We would have been trained on how to deal with that
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No one was trained on how to do with that and everybody acted really weird
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So then there's that localized response that was anomalous
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And if there's any human on earth that's gonna know what that is and how to deal with it
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It would have been me and my team and we didn't know there's no one else of like oh shit
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I need to call him the specialized team look behind me. I see a picture of myself like that's it okay
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It was also confirmed to me by ranking members of the uap task force that that is exactly what we ran into that night that that was in
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H.I. And they they told me
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bluntly that yes, that was a non-human anomalous craft
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um, the last or the third reason reasoning i'll give you is that since we've left
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The program and reorganized and are now working with arrow
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I can make the egg show up and we have and we've demonstrated it post program and we did it in august oh my god
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Yes, we can summon the egg
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It seems absurd but we've tracked it in broad daylight the egg uh
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10,000 miles per hour so based on range um and it comes when we've at a precise timing
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When we've asked where we're doing demonstrations for the new director of arrow they're fully privy
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They've seen our videos they've seen our dad on a report an arrow is the all domain anomaly resolution resolution office
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We have classes of uap there's a number of classes and categories that we
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How many uh more than eight
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Do you know more than eight yes can he list them no no um
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Maybe soon we can going back to the retrieval
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So i'm saying this and not you because you don't want to you know reveal anything classified
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I've done deep dives on
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American anti-gravity research
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exotic electromagnetic propulsion
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And i even just interviewed the former deputy cto of north syrup grumman
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Um, who was actually part of the uap task force the army representative guy named Carl Nell
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And i said you know is any of this crazy UFO stuff investible or actionable?
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We're speaking to a room full of entrepreneurs
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And he said go just watch jessie's video on uh tomas towns and brown okay, and so
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As much confirmation as wherever probably gonna get for a little bit at least on the idea that we do have exotic propulsion
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Human craft in our possession
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So is there anything else that gives you conviction that let me let me go into that so let me go into the analysis that was
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The presented to arrow and why they're why they consider an hi so
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Best way to explain this we set out specifically to
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Gather sensor data on the egg at the moment we
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It shows up moving so fast we couldn't see with the naked eye
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Another object also showed up at that time that our um
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Our guy operating our op our top observer
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Saw this object that burnt the sensor in his camera
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And we had another camera luckily that was also recording but um
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Where the first object showed up the sensor was damaged behind that the egg flies by
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In dead silence makes a turn and comes around into land and disappears behind the house so that wasn't done
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When we did that most recent exercise that wasn't done on the range in coordination with the DOD or any private partners
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It was done with me and the team we've assembled since then and
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You know with we have all the tools and talents and techniques that we did in the legacy program and now we're doing them on our own
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And when you say legacy program legacy UFO program. Yeah, maybe you'll legacy
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It's kind of a loaded term, but um, I would say in everyone's prior scope of work and career fields they've worked
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And they've worked in this capacity and have had these experiences and now but
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doing it um on the payroll and under the
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India obligations of the federal government private partners a lot of us have left those those jobs
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I'm no longer doing that work
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I'm no longer connected in the same way I want I was and since then we've formed our own organization
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And we have all the tools and talent that um, we had
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Back then, but we have it in a private venture and we're doing our own exploration and who's we
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We is a sky watcher technologies is a company we formed what you're basically saying at a fundamental level
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Is I think one of the biggest critiques of the UFO phenomena is that it's completely ephemeral
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And you're saying it's actually repeatable because everybody's science next time he's like repeatable not wrap your knuckles on it
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Like some of the stuff is like I'm not kidding like a physical crap every time I drop this pen
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It's gonna you know hit the ground
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And what you're saying is that every time you do these sort of summoning techniques and then there's like a
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of more physical version
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whistleblower who was involved in the offset program
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writes in his book that they contemplating baiting
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UFOs with nuclear materials so that's something that's kind of open source and in public record
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It's not all tangible drop the pen. It hits the ground
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That's why there are eight or more classes of uap
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And artwork because it ranges from the supernatural
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Like ground-based paranormal phenomenon to
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What looks like objects in the sky and Gary Nolan. He's on our team
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He's been there in the desert when we've summoned the aid wow in broad daylight. He brought Gary Nolan out
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Yeah, he's part of our news so as a Nobel nominated Stanford professor has seen this occur
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He's he's born witness to this he didn't see it with his own eyes
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Because no one did is moving too fast
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But he's seen the report and our sense of data or sensor data afterwards
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All this information that I'm giving you including our reports is all been given to arrow and we can get into that
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This incident and the future incidents that have happened that we're gonna talk about
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You know in the last five years
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All of this has been disclosed to
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You know, I've spent a lot of times speaking one thing I wanted to do was to do this the right way
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Was to give our institutions and authorities a chance to hear this stuff first and to reconcile it and to do the right thing with it
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And it primarily give me guidance on what to do with it moving forward
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So you know everything I'm telling you um and more has been shared with congress in uh in a in a skip and a top secret
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Environment where I've given testimony real quick a skip is a secure compartmentalized information facility
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Basically a fair day cage. Yeah, no no no signals in or out no
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And then TSCI's top secret compartmentalized information. Yeah secure compartment. Yes, and what's funny
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I'm a kid from the 70s
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But remember the show mark from ork mark and Mindy robin Williams was one of his first roles
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He wore the suspenders the story goes and they show it in the preview of that show and it's part of every show is this white egg
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He flew to earth in this white egg and at night
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I think he would like go to sleep in this egg and she'd be like good night and he'd go be like man who?
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Sleeping this egg and I'm like bro
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Like how much of our culture is like is that did someone know
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Well, the the egg as a form has shown up a few times and quote unquote ufology
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You have Lonnie Zamora, Sakura, New Mexico
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1964 or he's this police officer. He sees this egg actually land
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Seize bird vegetation in the area James Fox made this amazing movie called moment of contact
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Everybody in this little town in Brazil reports seeing an egg landing
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And it seems to be emitting this sort of like ammonia-like thing and even seems to kill a doctor
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It's pretty pretty crazy. Yeah, so the egg thing does show up
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That's one thing I just wanted to mention like sometimes I feel like truth is actually stranger than fiction
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and a lot of times like
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Tales the stories are are influenced by by something we've seen in real life
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I heard about our sound and too crazy to actually believe and one thing I've been looking at in this
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Space is the commonalities between what people are seeing and you just described they're being
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eight or more different types of uap's and the egg is something we've seen throughout history and seen throughout multiple sightings
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Glowing egg egg another egg shaped object egg egg egg the cosmic egg egg egg egg egg
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Can you help me bridge the gap?
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Between this summoning that you're describing and you you you you use the term we
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Your crash retrieval yeah endeavors and I'm having trouble understanding
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That's a really good. How a helicopter pilot
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Is also doing this other thing and what what that correlation is I mean
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So within the 10 plus years since I first retrieved a craft and non-human origin where I was just serving as a dumb helicopter pilot
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Like what the hell is going on a lot has happened since then. I mean we've had the disclosure movement kickoff
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But other recoveries that we can talk about were very emotional to me
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Because there was a consciousness component to that and
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I felt I felt that there was something conscious about the craft
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During the recovery process that had tapped into me and
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Was disruptive in the most beautiful way in my ability to operate a helicopter and almost led to me
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Punching this craft off and creating a whole another crash
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I like in between where I picked it up and dropped it off what what what is this instance?
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You know this is the other one
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Can talk about called the eight gone which is basically a disc a flying disc with eight individual
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sections when viewed from above and on this particular night
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Uh, I got my normal readout for the load and this time it included a hazmat disclosure for biologics
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So that typically meant you know souls on board is the disclosure I would get if there were living bodies
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Well, he's giving that readout as to whether they're bodies on the ground
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So the guys that benefit and they don't say bat bodies. They just say
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Uh, hazmat have you ever seen a body?
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Not I've never seen an alien body. I've seen plenty of human bodies and recovered human bodies in this same way
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And it's a standard disclosure so when I was flying in I thought that's what I was dealing with is like oh shit
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The pilot crashed on the range and we're hauling off you know body parts your your colleagues have seen
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But bodies non-human intelligence bodies you have to ask them okay
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And so in this case you see this eight gone craft this kind of octagon
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As I'm flying towards it. I get the readout on what it is and
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I was trained as a pilot a long time ago and
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So the last 20 years that's I've served more as a pilot than I have as a ground crew member or any other
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Capacits and the primary thing I've done is has been a helicopter air operations expert
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So on most of these missions I'm working
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from the cockpit of the helicopter and
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So the ground crew is a separate crew that gets dispatched and they're dealing with hazmat security containment
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Setting up a perimeter and an entry control point and observation like they're doing all that
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I sit back at a separate location. I get GPS coordinates at the very last second
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I get dispatched I go there and then
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In route from very short range out maybe five minutes out. I get read a description of what it is
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I'm picking up this night. I get an approximate size and dimension and then I get negative souls on board and it has met disclosure
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For biologics for biological hazmat so I'm like oh great somebody crashed someone's dead. All right
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So as I'm getting close to this craft how big is it craft?
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Again, it's not that big probably 25 30 feet, but it's like a
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It's like a distance. Maybe the size of this
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Concrete what slab here like this one's dark gray like a dark matte gray or black
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From what I could tell I was getting very little light signature off just the hard angles of the
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Of the sections but the eight sections like the intersection between the spine and then some of the texture that existed in those panels in between
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There's nothing about this inherently that it's like that could be one of our
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Crafts where where is this by the way? California desert. Okay similar location similar. Yeah very similar and
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But as I'm flying and I get closer to this craft
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It's well first of all it's quiet
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When I say quiet it was quiet on the radios at that time
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But my mind wasn't quiet. I start having this very
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emotional experience
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It's almost man I never explained it this way before but it's like when you feel like you're about to throw up
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But you're not sure you're like am I gonna throw up?
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No, I'm good. I'm like no, it's gonna happen like it was like that but not a
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Anazia was like an emotional
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Escalation that started inside of me that seemed completely foreign and the closer I got to the object the more emotional
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It was beautiful. It was a beautiful feeling
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But it's so weird. It's like that
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It's like that minor chord as a kid. It's like that sad beauty
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It's like a first a minor third and a fifth. It was beautiful that there was a sadness to it. Did it communicate anything?
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I didn't get a message other than like I just felt like I was in the presence of my mother. It was like a
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feminine energy that was loving and sad and
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I don't know what it was but the closer I got the more intense it got
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I hooked up as I'm flying back
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To the drop site. I'm like completely overwhelmed. I'm like
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flying out of a helicopter at night like trying not to run into mountains and shit and I'm like oh my god
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This is not good and I'm like am I
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I don't and I didn't want to tell me one about this because I'm like then I'm not fit to fly
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And I'd like in my in my stress and my sleep there were too much cortisol estrogen pump through my veins
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You know what's going on and then as I get close I make it there
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I safely get it popped off and then as I fly away it goes away
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I just want to paint the picture for people here because it's like you're flying a helicopter that night
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Using night vision you have no you you're like in in pretty intense terrain. Yeah
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You're carrying something that is like messing with your consciousness as you're doing one of the hardest
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You're flying one of the hardest objects ever made. Yeah
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Like have you had you ever been in a situation where you had something interfere with you on a conscious
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Like it doesn't feel like a
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I think that's what was most disturbing to me is being someone who prides themselves on like comfort and chaos like
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I've had every other thing trying to fuck with me while I'm flying at night like so much distraction intensity and life or death situations
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And I'm cool with it, but this messed me up man. It messed me up and
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There was a psionics team working that night um
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And so I don't know whether you know, it's one or two things like
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There was something with a very
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powerful talent inside of that thing that was connecting its soul or spirit to me
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As I was flying or one of the psionic assets
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Got its consciousness trapped in that thing and somehow is communicating through me and so what what our psionic assets
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When we look at collecting data one of the areas that we look to collect data is through a psionic asset
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Which is an individual who's trained in remote viewing um
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psychic abilities telekinesis
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That type of thing which is basically through a number of different
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protocols can transition into a place where they are highly sensitive to their environment from
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From the point of view of consciousness through a consciousness field and that is not a woo woo topic
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And I'm just throwing it in but it's so matter of fact to me that it's the same as saying night vision goggles
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Like it's there we use it and it's worked both on the see it's used both on the summoning side and the data collection side
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So you're saying humans summon these u a a there are two types of
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Summoning that can be done that
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We've proven works and we're we're still working with
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There's machine-based summoning systems and there's man-based summoning systems
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machine-based summoning systems are
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without going into details are
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energy systems that can be turned on or activated
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That summon u a p activity or that u a p at u a p are attracted to and I say again remembering what u a p means
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It's a very broad term. It's uh unidentified anomalous
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Phenomenon so unidentified anomalous shit shows up. That's pretty broad
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In order to be effective at serving as a pa you can think of consciousness
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As a field don't think of it as this
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Superficial woo-woo thing like it's literally like like the worldwide web. It's like the internet
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It's always there we can't see it. It's full of information and exciting things but
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Point to it. I don't see it here. Yep, right? So where is it? You have to be able to tap into it
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You need something like a Wi-Fi signal to get there
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So individuals that have this gift are people that have been trained and have the talent to serve as a Wi-Fi
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To tap into the consciousness field where everything in the universe
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Seems to exist or have its presence and once you can do that
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Now you're in an environment where while we're having other multiple forms of sense of data in place
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If a u a p shows up is it registering in the consciousness field that our pa asset is connected to through the Wi-Fi and the Wi-Fi is this process of getting into mindful meditation
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So two things are happening in that processor protocol of serving as a pa
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increasing intuition
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And then reintroducing intellect at a higher level as an observer not as a driver
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How do you do that? Well, you're either born with a gift or you go through you spend 30 years as a shallin monk
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And you figure out how to do it the hard way there are either easier ways there are cheats
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And some of the cheats that have been experimented with are things that have not
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Fared well for those involved in the program including children and I'll talk about them
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So how do we how do we heighten intuition? Well, you do it through stress and opulation
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You do it through triggering flight or or fight or flight
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Biology systems in our body some of the most powerful things you can do is trigger that on like if it eight broke
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Don't fix it don't reinvent the will the human mind and body is already something so spectacular
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We don't understand it. I don't know why it works, but if you can trigger flight or fight
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All these things get activated and intuition does so stress inoculation is one you got to hijack the amygdala
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And boom you put someone there
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You need to do that to heighten intuition while sub doing intellect. How do you do that?
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You sub do the intellect by disassociation
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So there are chemical ways to
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induce disassociation there are
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Proactive ways that you could do yourself like through meditation
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But all in all those are the two things you do to get into that state
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Kids are naturally way more visceral in both of those things. They're naturally more intuitive
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They're intellect is lower
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There is one more thing that you have to do to even enter that and that deals with the other eye
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Instinct so your instincts have to be satisfied at this time. So
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That just means you have to be comfortable can't be hungry can't be horny can't be tired can't be worried about
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Your your survival you can't be cold you can't be hot so all that has to be taken care of so the limbic part of your brain is not like
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Freaking out while the
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Pre-funnel cortex whatever part of the brain it is that's
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More responsible for the hardware that helps you connect to the to the consciousness internet is so
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Satisfied the instinct heightened the intellects are suppress the intellect heightened the intuition
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Add back in the intellect at a high level. Bump you're in it
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There's another way that that we do and that's through hardware so you could do software
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Chemical drugs to in order to get a stress inoculation to disassociation or you can do hardware
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one of the guys on our team
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As made a breakthrough
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recently and uses a system which is basically a non intrusive
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Ultrasound system that can target the brain and
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Take a lot of the edge and the struggle out of transitioning into that state and so he's he's one of the guys
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It works in our new organization that is assisting us with
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reproducing and demonstrating all of this stuff that has gone on
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Over the decades in the program that comes with all this baggage and secrecy and stuff and we're trying to leave all that behind and
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In this clean and free environment where we have autonomy as a private organization working in partnership with government organizations and in
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educational institutions to put this out there once and for all and
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And you know in that effort we feel this is a much more humane way and everyone that works with us is doing so in a ball interior basis
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But how the ultrasound works is it can target it can get through the skull and it can target parts of the brain
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To help you transition out of intellect and into your intuition
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The most of the experimentation that is done in the testing that is done in order to find the people that can serve in this role is done through a random number generator
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So he runs a runs a random number generator program and then has the subjects sit there and
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And hopefully I'm not butchering this whole process of how he tests it but um
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Has the subject then has the ultrasound
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Equipment run into the brain the consciousness is
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activated through lowering into wish
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Heightening intuition and lowering intellect and now the individual can impose its will on this random number generator
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That's running in a computer and can cause the number to move up if you want or causes it to move down and context for the audience a random number generator
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Is basically a graphical interface that shows ones and zeros. Yeah, it's a binary computer
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And it's tied to something that is conventionally thought of as a random and quantum mechanics
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So radio active isotope decay and botan bouncing around a little box
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And so it's a perfect digital coin flip over a long enough time scale
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You should expect the same amount of ones and zeros with maybe a small standard deviation. Yeah, and if you're saying that through stress
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Inoculation and dissociation or through this hardware technique
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somebody can in a statistically significant way affect
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Yes, it's called a z-score in this random event event generator
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So you get more ones or more zeros
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You're basically saying that that person has more
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ability to render their reality and affect that more of a kind of a matter of fact through consciousness
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They can affect reality of that which is nuts
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That's crazy. And here's the crazy even if they in that test because zero or flatline or the middle line
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Is the reality right so even if someone could get it to deviate the most minuscule number
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any deviation is infinitely mind-blowing because
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Because it's that good of a test because there should be no deviation
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So any deviation should be good and what happens is crazy because as it starts
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Once the subject looks over it realizes they're being successful. They're like oh shit
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I'm moving the thing then it's a burr and it drops back down and they got to go back into it
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And then you'll see the spike the trend the vector of the trend over the report moves up and down
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And when they kind of come out of it
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Realize they're moving it it goes back down and then it almost becomes exponential
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They just they blast it out of proportion close friend and mentor of mine
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Used to specialize in this experiment at Princeton their parasycology
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Remember that the paralab where they studied all sorts of anomalous, you know stuff
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And he would call this the rebound effect and you can analogize it with you know, you're
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Playing basketball and you're making a bunch of shots or whatever
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And then all of a sudden you become you know conscious of it
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And then you have this snapback effect and it's in life generally people have these sort of
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Upward momentum streaks and then they come you know crashing down
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Yeah, and there's always this sort of local mean reversion
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Yeah, and so it's it's wild to see that actually exemplified in the form of an experiment
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So as fun as that is and we could sit here and talk about that all day and just take people off
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Yeah, like there's a real practical application for that
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So I'm just saying that to say like this is a real thing
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Well, we do you put someone in out there that's trained to do that and you support them
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With the right support system in environment and then you're also out there with the right
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Data collection equipment so not only monitor their experience to make sure they're say self and help or safe and healthy
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And not getting hurt, but you're also correlating it to your other measure
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It's a measuring device for us. That's what this whole crazy thing about taking a psionic asset putting them in our our work suite
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Which is like a fairer day cage
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And getting them involved is just to add a six seventh eighth piece of equipment
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So when this when this phenomenon shows up does the random number generator in here move
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When it also shows up on IR over our radar
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It's not like we're going off the deep and our whole world is all about psionics and remote viewing
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It's not it's literally correlating with it is horrible you're getting on another in multi-sensory
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Corroboration is what you're looking for in any sort of scientific process and it works the other way
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Sometimes the intent is to have the psionic assets summon the phenomenon and the rest of the equipment is
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Turned down and then
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Because we want to be able to isolate where we're having successes. So they they ramp up
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They activate they summon they invite it in and then the rest of the equipment becomes measuring for their for their summoning
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Yeah, so it sounds like the US government has used kids as psionic assets and
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Does that bother you at all?
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Yeah, that bothers me. Yeah, yeah, it does it does bother me
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Do you have a model of what these crafts are and what's inside of them? Well interestingly enough this
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particular craft that eight gone is
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Exactly what Michael Herrera
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Reports to have seen that's the one so one time I've ever heard this brought up that account and it's it's a
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It's it's Matt black like you described he calls it phantom black and he says it has eight
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You know like an octagonal shape. Yeah, so I heard Michael Herrera's story in Washington DC. There was a
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In 2023 I believe there was a whistleblower conference shortly after the whistleblower protection hat got activated
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And then there was this at the national press club hosted by Steven Greer
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There were several whistleblowers that
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Decided to come forward in that environment and share their stories so
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We were actually sent there
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On behalf of our employer to look for whistleblowers that we were trying to
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Report to the FBI and get arrested because at that time I was in this weird place between
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becoming a wrote whistleblower or
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rounding up the whistleblowers and shutting them up
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Because there are good reasons and bad reasons to be a whistleblower and so so you are at this press event
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Red teaming basically exactly
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You are trying to maybe gather intel on people who might become a liability for the program
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And you hear Michael Herrera give his testimony. Yeah, and I wasn't prepared for that
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So it's I'm sorry because you had already seen the a-gon
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Yes, and then he talked to us what you had experienced first hand and then he's getting up there and everyone's like this guy's full of shit
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Well, he was his was the craziest testimony from that and so basically this guy is saying in
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2009 he's deployed with his marine unit to the Philippines
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Then a small part of that marine unit like eight or nine people get actually moved off to Indonesia
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Is this right? Yes, and there's a
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Seven Richter scale earthquake that had just occurred in the area. So it's a disaster zone
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This is good. We're gonna want to go over this whole thing keep going and he sees this eight-gon
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Octagon shaped craft
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Matt black he describes it as like blacker than black and it's hovering above the treetops
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And his unit starts to close in because he's what what is this thing? Yeah, and there's a there's a look
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There's a humming sound around it. So not a traditional engine. Yeah, and as they're sort of moving towards it
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what he describes is this elite
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possibly department of energy paramilitary unit with
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technical gear out the wazoo
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Comes and apprehends he and his team yeah, and they have bioscanners and they have all sorts of technical gear
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They're threatening this team of Marines and they're saying it's easy to get lost in the jungle right? Yeah, they were actually two of the guys
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We're actually talking about either. Hey, should we smoke these guys right now?
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You know, that's what they kept saying it was kind of feeding more into the fear at that point because again
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I don't know who these guys are. I know they had American gear they had American side arms as well
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If these guys have actually taken an oath like we have and then why they're going against people like us and even willing to kill
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servicemen who just even
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stumbled onto this is just blows my mind and it's very sick and
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So Michael Herrera comes back to the us. He's shocked
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He actually does a little bit of press around this because he's like this is ridiculous
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That this is being hit head to the American public and then
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somebody back channels to him from the program and says actually the reason that that elite
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Squad was there and they were there next to that craft is because they were transferring
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For the program. Yeah, and so this was a human trafficking operation where they were taking people putting them in pods
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Loading them onto these craft and then that craft was taking them back to the us for use we back channeled it
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That was us we back channeled that was you that was me. Oh my god. So
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When that happened we were able to
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Co-operate at least three key things
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One that those type of paramilitary units do exist because guys from our group get recruited and offer jobs go
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To all to go exercise our skills elsewhere outside the US. I have never done it
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I've never been part of those teams the other thing is the description of the craft is exactly what I had seen before and my team
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Has seen before except he claimed this one was like 300 feet in diameter. Never seen one that big
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Um the other thing were the containers he described the containers at the time
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uh as being used for transporting drugs. He was just making
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Speculating he wasn't lying that he assumed that they were there
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Must be in transporting drugs because he saw these units on the roofs while those units were so
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Those units that they used are consistent with the workstations we use when we're out on the range
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They're they're many split HVAC systems that are used if they are because as I explained
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That's where we have our data observation team in those and most of the time those are the fairer day cages for the psionic assets
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We also know that uh
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That there are operations Oconus outside the continental United States where prospecting for
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psionic assets takes place and they're highly coveted and the interesting thing is is I hear in those programs that
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There's something valuable about the life experience in third world countries
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In that it seems as though people that live a simpler life and are outdoors more and have less contaminants in their food
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And their drugs and in their culture seem to be a little bit better at disassociating and heightening their intuition
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And they come willingly because of the economic imbalance between where they come from
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So what I really don't like about how that came out and when uh
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At the time with us in dc when this happened and we talked about this shortly after that is when Herrera went on his show
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and the thing took a kind of a dark turn because
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The term human trafficking was was slapped on this thing and when you hear that you think of slavery and
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Sex trafficking and all these things
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Um, and as my understanding that's not at all what goes on in these operations
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It's no different than
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Someone setting up any other type of business and the people come willingly the people that work in these programs
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It's a great job. It's fun. There some of them have known their whole life that they have this intuition or this special talent and
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They're socially awkward or have other pathologies social pathologies
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That they're dealing with too that somehow
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Seems like it plays into this so it's like
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Not all the people that are talented in this way are normal in every other way
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It's like god created some balance
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So when they can come and get involved in this program and have food and shelter be treated with respect and make money
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Like if you went down there on your high horse
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Represent in the united states and and morality and win in and try to liberate these people
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They'd be like get out of here. We don't want to be eliminated. This is our job
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Can I play devil's advocate for one second? I think in the Michael who are a testimony
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Whatever organization this paramilitary group was from was taking advantage of the fact that Indonesia was this disaster zone
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Right, and some of these people can go missing easily. Yes, and so that to me that's one very or
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Or the hurricane that natural disaster was actually
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Threatening a workspace for this operation and they needed to get the hell out of dodge. Hmm
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Experience with that operation nor direct contact
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involved with it. I know of that type of operation. I know of that craft. I know of those containers
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That sounded like and so the whole point of all this and let me put a big giant red bow on it for you is
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That this was one I liked
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I saw a good marine up there when I saw Mike I saw brother and arms doing his best to be put now
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With a microphone in his face in a fucking suit and tie in washing BC
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When he's cut out to be carrying a saw through the jungle
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And now he's doing his best and he's an honest good guy and I was gonna let him hang so I
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I sidebarred Greer and a bunch of other people and said we need to talk about this. I thanked Michael
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I have been loyal to him throughout the process and trying to help him as much as I can get support for this while also
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Trying to stay low key to figure out where the problems and landmines
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Are with this issue and this issue was brought up to the the entire incident was brought up with my
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Co-operation's and my additional information was presented to Sean compatriots version of arrow
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He patently denied it and wrote it off is is
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anti-interesting and there was no evidence and I know for a fact that Sean compatriot has admitted
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Outside of the office of arrow directly to members of the senate intelligence committee that it did in fact happen
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Exactly as reported by Michael Herrera and with my additions. That's absolutely wild
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The implication of this story is that
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We can fly these objects because we were transporting these psionic assets in this octagonal shaped crap
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So I would think and again, I'm stepping way outside my bounds. I have no idea
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How and who that operates
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But it's something like a reversed engineered version of the crap is probably what you were seeing
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So that this brings up maybe the most fundamental question which is why has the US government
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Primera space contractors
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International organizations according to you why have they been systematically using these psionic assets
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Using other kind of machinery-based attraction techniques to attract these UFOs. What are they doing with the UFOs that land?
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Like what do you think was done with the egg that you retrieved for example?
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first of all, I don't know
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taken somewhere to a secure facility and
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destroyed or hidden or buried because they they have so many of them now that it's not interesting to them or
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With the utmost secrecy the senior eG&G engineer described my great uncle that it was egg-shaped about the size of a
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S&B they tried to penetrate the hull try to open it they couldn't
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They said they were able to take some very small samples of the material
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I'm not an expert in chemistry, but I guess the ice atelperatio or the mixture of elements
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They concluded it was not made on earth
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So it's I mean it sounds like
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We have by your account and again, this is fully speculation
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I know I realize you don't know this but like thousands of UFOs because
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The problem is saying we that's a big problem because who's we we don't have shit most of this stuff is kept in
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Very niche private aerospace and this is why the government doesn't quite have a handle on it this stuff
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And now the reason I I can say this is because I know how our operations work like
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Nobody knows what I do on a daily basis even my
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My middle lead I could go out on the range and have
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A particular day or have an interaction or have something happen
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Nobody in Washington DC knows what the hell I did that day
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Then it doesn't matter how profound it is like is there not a clear chain of command
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Why is there not some sort of central thought you have rumors of
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You know a buddy mind Walter Kern that you know I introduced him to David grushies a journalist he came out saying
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Grush told him that cheney was the gate the gatekeeper for all like you see UFO programs
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You know like you have these people who do seem to be at the top you hear rumors of kissing your back
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Ignorance is the assumption that there's some functional structure in place. There's not
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There's not and why isn't well because private aerospace as holds a lot of the
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Power and the real estate in this in this space and the US government
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They kind of lost control of it a long time ago. Yeah, that's my sense is that
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In the 50s when the Atomic Energy Commission was set up where all this stuff was going down around
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Los Alamos and other sensitive nuclear sites
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You had basically the overlaying of nuclear secrecy on top of UFO secrecy
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And so if you look at the special definition of nuclear material
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It's basically anything emitting alpha beta gamma radiation any sort of
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Material with radiological properties are born secret upon retrieval
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You're the US government and you retrieve this stuff officially
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You're in big trouble because you know, you don't have plausible liability
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You kind of committed this crisis open source science
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But if you get a primary space contractor to do it
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You're much safer and you're more insulated. Yeah, and you have this whole cold war secrecy era and
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I think what we have now is kind of a cargo cult of that cold war secrecy. It's this
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Structural overhang that is completely anachronistic and actually makes no sense from an American national defense or security standpoint
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And it's not like they train like I wasn't even told that like nobody told me that's the structure I'm working on it
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I had to find out the hard way when the New York Times article came out like 2017
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It was really about then things started getting really weird for us and there was a lot of movement in our world
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A lot of things changed for us
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Our contract callouts changed the new people are introduced into leadership structures our communication
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Method changed our compensation package got creative and
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Just knowing the way this world works is
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Because it's so heavily compartmentalized and because
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We operate as a hidden hand. That's one of the primary
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Benefits of the service we provide
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That the plausible deniability button that
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Can hit in order to protect themselves
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Would sever us as the hidden hand and
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That's kind of an ugly truth. We always knew was there, but we were willing to put ourselves in that position
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Because we're patriots and we always believe that it was
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For the better of our nation and the strength in our come our country at this time
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If that came into question
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Because there was so much happening and it was obvious and we knew
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People started peering over the cubicles you could say of compartmentalization
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We started sharing facts
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We started putting together the best we could the broader picture of
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Of what's going on here
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Because everyone had a little piece of the puzzle and the guy you're talking to today sitting here
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And I the reason I can talk broadly about this is because
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My my view and understanding of this has like
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Double quadrupled if not more just in the last five years and it had in the previous 20 because of all
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Team building and correlation and the networking going on with trusted individuals like some of our mutual friends to try and
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Figure out what the hell's going on not only like to answer the the questions of like
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To what extent are does our country have advanced technology how much of it is non-human
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But to what extent has our government become compromised and how much are we at risk like where the good guys?
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Where the bad guys like we're kind of screwed because we're trapped on the dark side of this thing like
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The military industrial complex or you know the deep black state is not this evil
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Empire full of like Darth Vader's like it's the best and brightest. It's the most patriotic
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It's the most talented. It's the most committed accomplished people working over here and 99% of what goes on
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This nation benefits from and it's what makes the nation great and powerful is because of the fruits these institutions
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And private companies and the people that work there provide so
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Like that's really scary to get like oh, you know, I'm like oh my god
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We want of the bad guys so we're trying to figure out which side of this issue to be on and
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One of the things I feel extremely fortunate about in this
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Moment right now is that
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The majority the good guys have moved to this side. I mean thanks to people like David Grousch who stuck his neck out and tray and blaze the initial trail for disclosure and took a lot of
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crap for doing so and I'm sure he thinks
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Made a lot of mistakes and could have done things better
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But he's made it much easier to much better environment for us to come forward and it's much more obvious that
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The bad guys are weaning in number and they're doomed and our numbers are growing but at the time when
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I was at the conference in DC that wasn't the case we were teetering and
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You know you're faced with that ultimate question of like do you do the right thing or do you
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self-preserve and as a married man with kids that self-preservation
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Option becomes much more complex because it's about like my wife and kids and my livelihood and my quality of life and my
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My wealth and net worth and everything we've worked on is at stake and so it's a very complicated question
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But my it didn't take me long to decide because like
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I had to believe that in the end of the day that my intuition and my instincts for
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Patriism and for good would lead me at every moment to the proper conclusion and
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This really began when we sat there in the audience me and my teammate and we're listening to Michael Harris story
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and I'm going and I was able to understand
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What he was saying was true or at least had elements that I was fully aware of the heating quite understand that he couldn't have been making up because if he did
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Somebody planted ideas in his imagination because he nailed exactly what goes on so it was at this moment
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That we began to help out and
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And what and what what does that look like so the second you decide internally?
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I'm going to choose the hard path this program needs to be reformed this Michael Herrera guy is actually a good guy
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Do you go back to headquarters and you say you go to your boss and you say hey actually you were wrong to have me red team
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This guy or what exactly happens there? We kind of move in the art. We went we went back and we flipped we flipped on
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We flipped on red team power in the ultimate
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Black team the black team
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And it was fun to have that clear of an orientation and to be that fucking fired up about it because we went after them
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and what we got to that so the first question is
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Who the hell are we working for and what are their intentions
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This was happening at a time we were set out to recover
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Some sensitive information that was believed to be kept on some tough books
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Panasonic tough books. This was in the last four years and it's believed on these tough books was highly sensitive information that
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Was evidence to see our programs that
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We were involved in we received human intelligence that gave us
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The intel package we needed to pursue where we thought the first set of tough books might be a recovery team was sent
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And we found the tough books. I'm not going to say where and we returned them to our employer
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At a familiar facility in the California desert
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The tough books were missing the hard drives we then set out to recover the hard drives
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We found the human and our human to
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Asset led us to another location high in the sera's which was a glacier lake and the hard drives
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Were sealed in a steel container like 25 feet underwater what so
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Um a third mission those exactly is on these hard drives. I don't know
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Whatever it was there was at least two adversarial parties who
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Would do anything to get their hands on them and we got caught in the middle
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The next mission we went out on. I'll just tell you that shots were fired and
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We called bullshit and that's when we began to backtrack and set out with our
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Our own effort to find out exactly who we were working for and what they were interested in can you say who you were working for?
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No, I can't say there's currently a
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Two investigations taking place right now and
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I can't fbi is one of them and when you say you called bullshit shots were fired
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Can you say anything about that incident? No, no
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Okay, fair enough. I was ordered to say
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We got jerked around our intel chains last minute
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Our location change there was a lot of bad things that were going on rhythmically that didn't smell right
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But we kept putting one foot in front of the other and you almost have to at that point
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Whether you're playing along or not because you need to play along
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Interrogation of what traps are being laid in front of you
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Just hope you don't follow them because that's helpful information when you say
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They are using you for plausible deniability just to sever the hidden hand
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Can you say anything more about that? Yeah
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It was believed that there was evidence of
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Um were proof of criminal activity
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On these toughbooks and that this
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On operations within the program in the desert
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And that there was a whistleblower or group or whistleblowers that we're going to be
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Turning this evidence in
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To the powers at b in order to
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Expose the program and
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thereby doing that expose individuals so this is you know everyone likes to ask like
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Why why are you talking right now you aren't you afraid for your life?
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How can people haven't been killed and i'll tell you why there's a couple reasons one
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Why am i not afraid that
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Someone's gonna try and silence me with death well
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First of all if they
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If they wanted to and were capable of doing it if they had the will and skill to do it
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They would have done it already they also like lu wouldn't be here day wouldn't be here
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I wouldn't be here they would have done it already i
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I pray that you were right
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Just to play devil's advocate for a second
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lu and davir of different class than you you you you've
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So to speak maybe not the craft itself but you are as close as it gets to the actual retrieval
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But why does that why would that make me any more of it well?
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There's always the ability to stigmatize somebody
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Like i know davir and i find him beyond reproach but there's always the ability to hang on
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This guy's just this intel guy he's gathered a bunch of second-hand information
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And it's what people use to detract from his testimony right now yeah with you
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Kind of hard if you were to just
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Just listen to everything you've said today
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It's tough to to deny
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Well map comes down to the will so i say it's two things that keep you alive or kill you
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Is there has to be intent and capability i call it will and skill so there's to be a will
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To to take me out there has to be the skill the ability to do it
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So why is there the will is going to come from this place?
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It's not going to come from then what everyone thinks is the national security issue
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We need to hide the stuff where that's going to come from is from individuals within
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The organization or who have been involved in any part of these activities who have committed crimes and wants to cover their ass
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They will do anything to protect themselves which includes taking out other people wet works
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And so that that that makes for a very narrow
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Group of folks that might at least have the will to do that
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Um and you can kind of smoke those people out
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Skill is the other one like who's actually going to facilitate this and how will that be facilitated
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There are some sneaky ways to do it. There are some more blatant like brute force ways to do it
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You don't want to show up at my house
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Uh and think you're going to be successful with brute force because
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That's going to go south for you really quickly or you don't want to approach me anywhere in public like you're gonna you're gonna have to really do something creative
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I'm not afraid of the boogie man. I am the boogie man. So you better bring it
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Uh, but that doesn't that's a lot of talk when you have wife and kids. So uh, I'm not here to bring that on um
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It hasn't been shown that anyone has the will and skill to do or they would have already
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For me um and I think there are more good guys out on this side than there are bad even at the at the high level
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Now that all being said I do know for a fact that um
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There are leadership
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entities that I work for and with
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That have called for wet works and there are people that have died
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under various suspicious circumstances at the most convenient time for those who would want to have them silenced at who were coming out and who were speaking out on our activities
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Anybody you know yes
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Can he say anything more no because there's an investigation
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And they're they're looking into it
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Very scary, but so when we realized we're being compromised
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I sent everybody home and I we began to do our own operation and
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I wanted to know if this came from the very top was the top of our organization
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In this attempt to sever the hidden hand which is us or were they compromised because there's the only two options um
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Like you have the proper protection in place because
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I think from an American national security standpoint if you have these different fiefdoms where the left hand isn't talking to the right hand
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You have over compartmentalization. Yeah, you have all this knowledge locked up in these disparate pockets
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And you're competing with China and Russia
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That it's actually maladaptive from a national security standpoint. So is somebody an authority saying
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You know, I see this Jake guy
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He's actually acting in the best interest of the country. Let's protect him. Yes in order to come out
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Yeah, and now that takes us to Congress because
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When I went to the director of security and realized he didn't have my back. I realized I couldn't trust my nebulous network anymore
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Then I was at a loss and I was left with the one like
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Emergency button that I always thought I had and I punched it and that was to go to congress to go to
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The Senate Intelligence Committee and go to the monitor for CIA and spill my guts and go help me help me help me
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This is what's happened like help um
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That was probably one of the most discouraging experiences of my life because within minutes of being there
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They were begging for my help
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Like they didn't understand what was going on. They had no handle on it. No, they were they were being bullied and being harassed at their homes
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And were scared for their life and wanted me to set up a personal protection detail to help protect them and
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I was like fine fuck. I guess this is where we're going with it. So are there are the rumors because
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The long-standing rumors are that this is run by the CIA that in 52 you had
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Public facing UFO UFO research in the form of blue book this sort of you know public relations effort
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Cleve off from the more vital organization actually studying this stuff
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And that was the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence and collaboration with the Telememorial Institute the Atomic Energy Commission
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And then even up until today you have Chris Sharp writing a great article for the Liberation Times
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He's talking about kind of the the chain of command for the UFO program
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And he sites Glenn Gaffney as the CIA's director of science and technology is being kind of one of the primary gatekeepers of the legacy of
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UFO programs so when you go to them and he say all this crazy stuff is happening
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Yeah, it's super disorganized and it's you know kind of unethical are they they're really just completely unaware you being congress
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No, I mean the CIA CIA
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So what's happening is there are multiple programs and multiple cover-ups happening all the same time everyone's
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Not everyone, but they're
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That's the biggest misunderstanding that everyone would benefit from
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resolving is this is not that organized and it's not
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There's not that much synergy of play and why
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Why I know it's valuable that I'm here today is like
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I have I'm like the fingertips like I'm out here at the and I'm like we're touching it where the grassroots on the ground
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Interacting with crash recovery not reverse engineering. That's a different group
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But all we've heard from is like like say the the shoulder joint like the head of this thing. Yeah
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But the shoulder has no idea what's going on at the fingertips and you could get to the elbow
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You can have some corruption and misdirection here that's like
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That's like changing the direction and energy that's being sent down to the fingertips advice versus there's
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And stuff going up down
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It's this like gangly octopus of an organization. It's not this model. No, it's not and just think about it
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Like we give it too much credit in that regard like how in the world could you manage
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Like hundreds of thousands of
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Humans first of all with all their flaws and instincts who are trained as the number one
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Train that the number one rule is deception and so they're all being deceiving and like there's this supposed to be some big
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Organization that works together and then the detractors are gonna say why haven't there been more whistleblowers
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And then I think that the answer is there have been there have been Stephen Groor has a database of
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Hundreds of whistleblowers. Well, this is where I just want to say something
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I think for people who who may be sitting in your position because they're watching this Jake they're watching this
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And they might be thinking about going through what you're going through. Is there anything
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You'd say to them. Yeah
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It's a problem and it's sad, but our Congress
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Is not in control. They are completely
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They're ignorant and neutered when it comes to the subject matter for the most part
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They're ignorant and neutered and where they're not ignorant and neutered their corrupt and arrogant
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Which nets us a Congress that's in a state of paralysis by analysis and I can't tell you like for me
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How sinking a feeling that was like I go running and I
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I'm I'm nervous because I'm gonna
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Blow the whistle in the first place I go
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It's the Senate Intelligence Committee and the monitor for CIA and I start telling my story
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They don't question it for one second. They know it's happening. They're like
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They're they're they're edifying everything I'm saying and trying to cut me off because they're so
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Like excited to actually get to talk about this and they're like oh my god. So what do I do? They're like
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Give me your number. Do you have signal? I need a text you. These guys are at my house last night
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And I'm like wait a minute. This was my asking for help moment my fellow citizens
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Today we celebrate the mystery of American renewal
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I know that my experience
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It's no coincidence that it happened during the Clinton era and the path that I took
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Something that was heavily influenced by the fact that the Clintons weren't office and
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That when Clinton took office he was I think surprised to find out that he was
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Never intended to be a part of
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The leadership structure. He was ostensibly in control of and knew that he was surrounded by lies and limited by laws and
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quickly took an interest in the subject and when he couldn't get answers
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Started taking action and I think our
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Whatever I ended up doing was
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Was related to that and was part of the pressure that was put on the dode to maybe even create like a red team to infiltrate the black team and get into the programs
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And then report back through our leadership structure as to what's really going on
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Couple of interesting data points around that
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Hillary Clinton there's a picture of her at camp david and I think she had met with Lawrence Rockefeller
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Who is really interested in UFO disclosure and she's holding this book by this physicist Paul Davies and it's our we alone
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And clearly she was getting into the topic of UFO disclosure and then
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John Podesta who is their chief of staff has been a major major proponent of disclosure for the last two decades
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Yeah, and uh if you look at the timing I will I'll tell you it's probably no coincidence that when Hillary was running for president
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That there's a correlation in timing with the standing up of a tip and
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What led to the New York Times article and
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There are things there. I think the Clintons have
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Always wanted to be involved with disclosure and I and as much as everyone likes to vilify them
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I don't think there's any real
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Probably isn't as much of like a self-serving reason other than like a general curiosity
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I don't think it's a power grab to want to take it. It doesn't seem to be any real benefit to being
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politician associated with the disclosure
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um, but yeah, but the
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From just my experiences and people I've talked to that are the no on probably a little bit more in the average person
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uh, the Clintons have definitely been key individuals and have initiated some
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Some efforts that are pro disclosure
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Trump is now promising a whole new era of disclosure
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Obviously the proverbially famous example would be the JFK case
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Was that somewhat of an inside job?
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Are there any details that we have that are classified that the public should should know?
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I guess a couple of questions there. Do you think UFOs get deprioritized because they're spending all the political
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capital on these other disclosures or
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Are there kind of as rumored ball and chain dynamics where if you get JFK disclosure
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You actually find out that his interest in UFOs might have something to do with his assassination again
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Anyone could just do their homework
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I think if you went out and you really looked at the information that's already been released and its credibility related
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To the JFK issue there's clearly some ties you look at the timeline
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What was going on at the time when you look at the evolution of
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This subjects and how our government reacted to
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events of the 1940s and 50s and 60s
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It makes a lot of sense
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and it seems to be the best
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The best theory and the fact that we might find out with Trump
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But I sense hesitation even from him
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If cash puttell gets put as the director of FBI
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It seems like like he certainly
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Well, it's one read in on everything
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But is motivated to share and
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When I see him speaking cryptically about it recently on the clip we talked about you're talking to a guy that's read the entire JFK file
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The things that we can't release have nothing to do with the questions you guys are asking the answers you guys want
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Pretty much have them
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That can't be seen for things that you wouldn't even think
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If you if you weren't connected to this subject matter you might not pick up on it
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But what I hear him saying cryptically is that the JFK assassination is linked to the uap topic
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And we have a lot of other corroborative data on that
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Maybe the most important piece of data is a guy named Harold Malmgram
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Who was a presidential advisor for four different presidents
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JFK LBJ Nixon and Ford and he says that there was this bluegill triple prime test in Johnston a toll so in the South Pacific
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Marshall Islands and that you can even see in that the deck logs from this this test
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Bluegill triple prime that this anomalous material fell out of the plume of this nuclear blast that
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UFO material was taken to the atomic energy commissions albacurkey outfit and
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Lawrence P. Geiss who's actually Jeff Bezos's maternal grandfather was actually the director at the time
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And Harold Malmgram who is on on behalf of JFK is taken to Los Alamos and then
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JFK comes like a month later and gets woken up on the UFO issue and then you have this letter of kind of controversial provenance
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We should really look into this and figure out if this is real where he's writing to John McConn who is the new CIA director
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He had just fired dullas and he's saying we actually need to coordinate with the Russians or the Soviets on
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UFOs because we want to make sure that they're not
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Mistaking these UFOs for acts of American aggression because they're flying around sensitive airspace
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So I think a lot of actually you know research lines up to to make one believe that JFK did have
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You know I mean all that makes sense but when you try and tie it
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Shoot him in the head in a public place like that's like what why why would you go that far?
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Well, I think it was a medley probably probably not the primary reason
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He was also trying to defang the nuclear arsenal and you had guys like dull as saying you know
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An active patriotism to take him out. Okay, so you have all these disclosures vis-a-vis Trump
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Who should Trump empower you know their talks of a uap czar
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Should somebody be in charge here? I
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First of all, I love the idea of Tulsi Gabbard is DNI
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Cash Patel's fantastic like it's really exciting
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People can say what they want about Trump, but the people he's surrounding himself with and
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What their intentions seem to be are really encouraging and if you need a guy to clean house like dude
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All he needs to do is he could just give Dave a hunting license to go after those who
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Might have something to share like it would clear up a lot like Dave Dave grush. Yeah, yeah
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Dave's a guy he he knows what's going on and you know is where the bodies are buried knows where the bodies are buried. Yeah, and
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There we do need some accountability if not only to
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So that it doesn't repeat itself
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Like I don't believe in vengeance, but I believe in justice and that's the subtle difference
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He and Carl now who is just kind of gigabrain
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Next level historical philosophical thinker and and and just also very high integrity guy
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Mr. Grasch finally do you believe that our government is in possession of uap's?
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Absolutely based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years
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Are you one of David grush's 40 first-hand witnesses that he says he presented to the
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Intelligence Community Inspector General Thomas Monheim?
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No, Dave and I met after his initial complaint was filed with the ICIG and
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Those guys represented a set
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I don't know the 40 I know of some of them
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Is the guy who's no longer with us
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Whose demise was was quite conveniently timed for those who might have something to do with it, but
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Sorry, I didn't mean to go there with it, but um
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No, those were those that was a different group. I'm part of a new group that met Dave in this process. You know, we were
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I didn't know what Dave was doing at the same time we were doing it like we were going through the dopser process at about the same time
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Um, and we were experiencing our whistleblower transition about the same time Dave was like it was weird like we were both
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It was both happening at the same time, but completely different. You're going to remember like Dave is way up here at the shoulder like the high-end
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administrative end of the intel and the government's
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I'm down here on the fingertips trying to figure out what's going on and we ended up meeting in the middle, you know
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In this effort and we should preface this for the audience. What is dopser? So dopser is the department of defense
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review process. It stands for
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department of defense pre-publication and security review
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So because I held a clearance at one point and because I worked
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for the department of defense anything I say publicly whether it's written or
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any oral form written or spoken or
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videoed or recorded in any way I have to go through
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This process and then what it does allows the dod and certain offices
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within dod to review what I plan on sharing and
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Strike it down if they think it puts if it risks
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Operational security for any of them any specific knowledge
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I garnered when I was on the other side of the door
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If I want to talk about that publicly
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Everybody who has had a job like I have has a minute to think called dopser
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At the Pentagon dod pre-publication security review
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You know even if it's about this stuff
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How the hell did you get approval to speak to us today through dopser through the the DMM
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Approvals I mean the stuff you're saying is pretty
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Intense yeah, and why are they letting you speak about this is a great question because this is gonna help people understand
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Pretty much why I answered the last question the way I did in previous answers is that
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The dopser do dopser process
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Is somewhat laughable from what it's intent is first of all you have to understand that people like me have become so compartmentalized
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That we've become detached
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There isn't even knowledge of some of the things that we have done
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Of availability to people tasked with
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publication review at the department of fence
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That they could find to get their hands through and go oh yes like everyone can think of this in way to organize of the fashion
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And I can maybe there's a good time this will help you understand the dopser process because I'll take exactly how we manipulated it
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um when we decided to come forward um and we
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Again, that was because we had some concerns about who we worked for and their intentions and whether or not
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We were in trouble and we're gonna get severed is the hidden hand
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Query and run an interrogation of the department of defense and its private partners um by writing a
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Historical fiction novel
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I call it faction a mixture of fact and fiction
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We hired a ghost writer and what we did is we put all of the claims
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That we wanted to we wrote out
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uh, we wrote 120,000 word
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Submitted it in pieces to the dopser process starting with the first 20 pages, which was like 12,000 words
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um and our goal with this process was to it was essentially red team the dopser process to expose
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Who subject matter experts are they call them SMEs and
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Determined from that those SMEs
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Trying to lay out some form of map is to who's actually in control this thing who cares about what information and why and then begin to
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And assume that when we hit walls and limitations that
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Secret paths lie on the other edge of those directory and then we can begin to
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Create little fact islands and try and draw a scaffolding between them. This was all done through our interrogation effort by creating
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A manuscript of a historical fiction submitting it to dopser in this process
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20 pages we had four categories of information that we included
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classified information we knew was classified we knew was
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uh classified at a high level and that should get triggered and should get shot down should get redacted
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B was information that was classified but was
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So need to know that it really only existed within the hearts and minds of the operators that were involved that day
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It shouldn't be at an admin level for anyone to find or even once shopped out to subject matter experts
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it would really rough it was a very fine
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Attack that would really precisely illustrate who was
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concerned with that type of information going public
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The third type of information we included in that manuscript was open-source classified information
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Which might sound like an oxymoron, but it's not there is
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What is technically considered classified information out on the internet that somehow is leaked out
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How and who is using it matters which kind of plays into why
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Someone like Annie Jacobson or another art
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author who has published incredible things on the subject matter is not subject to
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The dopser process at all people like me who have held a clearance and have worked directly for the department defense
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Have to go through that process and so we used
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My that is a basis we use that as our leverage for then to force them to review it and reduct it
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And then there was the fourth type of information which was complete fictional liberty and what we did here is we speculated on the who what why and when
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The broader picture outside what we knew through our own
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compartment of information in our need to know
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Draw what we thought were likely
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Reasons and filled in around those facts and connected them to other and we went fishing to see if we could touch on something that was classified and get it redacted
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And then therefore point towards the SMEs
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In doing this process we submitted it took six months to get 20 pages back and we had seven pages of redactions from all four categories
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And we knew we're on by game on and so
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You know they were stuck they can't they can't have a poker face they so they're stuck in this situation where by not
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Redacting something it passes through and now it's open source
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Um by redacting something they are
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Indirectly validating that it is sensitive and it is classified it did really happen and someone's concerned about it
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There is a counter play though
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And that would be to
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Intentionally allow something that was classified to get out
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Under the context of a fictional novel and therefore internally
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sealing it with the stamp of
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The creative writings of a fictional author
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Gone and now something that's reality is now spun into
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Fantasy and that's where it lives in the public domain
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And that's a strategy that that we use
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Commonly I I call it
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Or I'll say the best place to hide the truth is in a pile of horseshit
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Yep, and that's the best place to deal with it or you know goes back to Plato where he writes the Republic and he says
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Everything I'm about to tell you is a lie and then he sort of writes this like profound beautiful like musing on like the ideal state
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But also with some metaphysical implications
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And I think a lot of UFO history is hidden in plain sight vis-a-vis these fiction books
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So you have Tom DeLong
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Like 182 frontman writing with Peter LeVenda and AJ Hartley this this whole series of
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I would say historical faction where he's dealing with executives at
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Lockheed Martin and other places and writing about crash retrievals and other things
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You have another guy named Chase Branden who's a CIA liaison to Hollywood
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He wrote a great book called cryptos conundrum. Yeah, which I believe has some you know real real truth in it
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And so this is an age old
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Strategy and it sounds like you read teams dops are pretty effectively. Yeah
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Yeah, it worked and they spit it out and then what was funny is they they didn't like they're like well
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Only submitting 20 pages at the time is we wanted opportunity to
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Evaluate and react and then rewrite the subsequent chapters to probe for more red actions or to probe for more
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willing allowances of classified information and
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They caught on to us and said we're done you have to submit your whole manuscript and we were like no
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We're writing like a series and it's like consider this whole thing
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A series and these are episodes we are going to release only 20 pages at a time do you want us to release it without it being reviewed?
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Well, no, no, no, okay, well then we need you to review it
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And then we'll give you the next 20 pages because that's actually this isn't one book. We're gonna release it four months later
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So you know, we're in the driver seat in that regard because they are kind of paint themselves into this corner with the way
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They work and then you can use that against them, which is a red team one-on-one situation and there's no distinction for them between fact and fiction where once it's
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Past stops or you can now say actually this was fact. Yeah, because you passed it under the veneer of fiction
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You can still now say this is fact and it's in its context is king
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So it's like what because there are things that got redacted like I said that's open source. I cannot
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talk at length about
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Organizations I work for when I was enlisted even though like I just told you everything about what I did and where I was stationed
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And everybody knows the history of who's there and what's there? I can't I can't utter the words
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I can't talk to you about my recruitment process at length and how I ended up
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Where I did because that's
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That's redacted as well
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But this is this is why it's confusing and why Dave can say
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We have multiple downcraft and have collected dead pilots and like why could you say that? It's because
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When it goes in to dopser
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They distributed they do their they the people at the front read through and they do their best job to disseminate
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Who should we ask about who should care another thing that happens is like no one else to touch that shit with a tenfold pole
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No no office wants to be the guy that says oh, yeah
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I have a problem with Dave saying
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Biologics it's like you want to pop your head up and like be the SME that has a problem with biologics also
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People that may have had a problem with it and this has to do with turnover and generations existing within these ancient organizations
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Like the fact that this has been going on for 70 years like
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Heads whose heads need to roll may not even be alive anymore and someone else has taken that position so
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This kind of gives them an easy way out. They're not having to
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Come clean and confess the sins of their forefathers all they have to do is
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Allow classified information to not be redacted through the dopser process and they just got disclosure
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So from this angle I think disclosure is almost on us to realize aha there's giving us a sign
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Departments and you can't think of the dode of the dopser process again is this you people over credit the organizational and the synergy of these
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Institutions the three-letter agencies don't mean shit like
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This may be the way the government's only way to disclose is to like I can't say it but you can ask me question ask me
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Yes, the real question ask me if something is true and I won't say no
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And that's kind of where we're at so
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We need I think the dopser process is one of the keys to disclosure like let's keep submitting documents and get this stuff out
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The NHI does not respect the monopoly the US government thinks it has on this subject and there are organizations worldwide that understand that
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That it's a worthwhile investment. They're not waiting on offices like arrow or the president United States to tell them
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They should spend time and money on this. It's being done and there are there are global crash recovery and reverse engineering programs
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Um outside the US and I'm not referring to just governments. I'm referring to
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hybrid organizations organizations that are extra governmental listen
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I'm not here to make anyone believe anything like belief is a very
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personal thing. Yeah, it's very personal and
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the problem with this subject matter is
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It's very intense because it carries such profound implications. I don't know that we have any more or less proof per se
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On this subject for the general public then we do other things that we probably
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Accept more broadly than this subject, but it's because of the implications of this that people want to draw very hard lines on it
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But man, if I think a good place to start is to humble yourself for for everyone that's getting exposes right now
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Humble yourself from the perspective of what you consider believable
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And I think a good measure or a question to ask is like how much do we currently take
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Wholeheartedly and believe in that we act on every day if I was asked you to move everything from your life that you
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Believe because someone else told you or you read somewhere or were taught that
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You don't have first-hand experience with you'd be paralyzed in speeches when be able to function you wouldn't get out of the house
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Radical Cartesian doubt where it was like I don't even know that that's a chair
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Or you know what you're saying is real or whatever it you wouldn't be able to function
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You wouldn't be able to operate and this is where I just give up on trying to make people believe anything like I don't have time for that
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Like I'm over it like this has been my life for a long time like I've got shit to do yeah
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And I have things I'm trying to I'm like making people believe is is
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Not does not interest what's extremely easy to
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sway the public in various ways and put put guardrails on their thinking without them even knowing it
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Yeah, and so there's you know good critical thinking you know this guy Thomas Bayes the statistician from England the 18th century
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Bayesian Bayesian thought Bayesian reasoning and
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It's like new data that you get should be evaluated in the context of your prior database
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And if your prior database is like every time you hear the word UFO you think snake oil you think I'm a throat in the junk pile
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You're building a bad data set like that's actually bad critical thinking
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Yes, and if you were just open-minded and you read you know this great book UFOs and nukes
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Nobody can read who I recommended to because it's so dry and hard headed and it's 580 pages
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I think you have to come out with
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Some sort of base case around UFOs being real and at least at the very least worthy of investigation
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Yeah, I would say the least credible thing in the equation is most people's basis for belief
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What do you mean by that? That's the least credible thing is there their basis for belief is not a reasonable
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Is they're not taking a reasonable approach to their criteria for belief?
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Their criteria for that is based on what are you basing that on like what research have you done?
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Yeah, that's right. How have you disseminated fact from fiction to arrive at your current understanding?
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How do you know you haven't been subliminally programmed to be desensitized to one things and hyper sensitized in a negative fashion to others
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And you probably have so you need to be thrown out as someone who should be making decisions for what you believe because your perspective's fucked
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It's funny to see after this
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Sean Ryan story coming out this Las Vegas bomber cyber truck bomber and from the Trump Tower this bizarre like
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I don't know how to describe it. It's like this meme warfare act
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It's hard to you know really understand and comprehend and then you have this guy going on Sean Ryan
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Shoemate saying that he received an email from the green beret himself bomber
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Basically, there are Chinese
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Gravitic drones flying over the east and seaboard that could if this is true
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The payload delivery involved in these warp drive Gravitic drones could vaporize New York City or Washington's in DC and the drop of a hat
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This is what I find fascinating bring it back to the whole like you know critical thinking thing
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I've had more high-powered Silicon Valley people hit me up about oh
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anti-gravity might be real after that. It's was just generically popular
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Yeah, and because of that you have people who honestly I respect in many other contexts as far as their ability to operate make money
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Do really cool things in the world coming to me being like oh maybe the stuff you did on towns and brown
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80-gravities real it came it came in to focus in a place
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They were already directing their attention rather than their intention being broadened to where these facts exist
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It's just all hypnosis and magic tricks. It is yeah
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Yeah, the Sean Ryan thing has really been held for us the last two to three weeks like it
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That's really touched our community and there's a lot of ties to that and and our
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Of friends let's say and that's been something else and it's it's a hot topic, you know the you
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Touching on the New Jersey thing we were just out there. We were assigned
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Support the dod and the FBI task force that was trying to be stood up out there
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serving essentially is a hidden hand like we normally are dispatched to try and come in and offer
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something in order to declare this a hazard to
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Public safety or to find
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Criminal and tenor criminal actions so that the FBI could have a basis. Jake. What did you find out? Well that's from going
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I'm happy to tell you the entire world is
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Extremely confused. It feels like the highest levels of government are confused as to what is going on? Okay, you know
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Our first day there we got there
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We were primarily focused to the activity in and around or above and around I should say Picatinny arsel which is a
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Installation weapons focused. Let's say our weapons centric installation first night there on the ground
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We get our op set up and we're watching the skies where
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Organization I work for now
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One of the founding members of it's called sky watcher and we specialize in aerial intelligence
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This is completely autonomous and an independent venture
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Full of guys like me that have worked in an official capacity for the government
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We've brought our tools and talent and experience and are investing them into this private company and then
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Trying to help the government where we can and also
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Provide a window for the public into this subject and these technologies. So that being said we show up in New Jersey first night
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On location with then 30 minutes over Picatinny arsonal
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All these orange orbs come into existence right over Picatinny arsonal trying to do time stamps
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And how long they were there was difficult because it would appear at about
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40 40 45 minutes at a time which is consistent with some
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Traditional large battery powered drones, but what we can't tell is if
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That was the same drone or it was
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disappearing and reappearing and that was the sensational language that was used more often
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What it could mean is that they were turning their lights off and on and that's why they were disappearing and reappearing
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But you know they only at night only at night for us is a between like
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1700 and midnight so from five o'clock until about midnight is when we monitored or captured most the activity and so
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The problem with that whole thing out there is most of the
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Data being collected and the reports for coming in were from unqualified observers on the ground using visual spectrum
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So what I mean by that is humans looking up with their eyes and going bro. What's that?
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It's also a very busy airspace around there. So there's airplanes there's helicopters. I mean
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If you really wanted to red team that situation what I would have done is I would have put a bunch of glowsticks and helium balloons and tied them together
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And then sent them up in the air and watch people just lose their shit because you you wouldn't been able to discern and then you
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Shoot them with you know
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Bebe guns until they pop and disappear like there's so much room for fuckery in that situation that you
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It's hard to cut through the noise
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What we were observing because we are qualified observers was not fuckery
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There's something very concerning over Picatinny arsenal
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so the first thing we looked at was okay these are probably large like
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Drones that we know the classes of they're available out there in military inventory and in
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inventory that was turning off its lights in route and then on rtb and
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Which is illegal so there's our case for breaking laws right there if this was in
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FAA controlled airspace
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When it drone leaves the ground first of all
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UAS an unmanned aerial system has to have all the FAA approved lighting systems that any other aircraft does and it has to have the
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Mom and at least the ground it's also limited yet to be a licensed operator and you're not allowed to fly above
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400 feet these were lights off over 400 feet over Picatinny arsenal just sitting there no one's doing shit about it and weren't they sitting there for
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Five hours plus sometimes sometimes longer and then so but we still don't know if it was just lights going off for their popping into place
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because while this is going on
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In the airspace south of there. We also were running a program that's more
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We're running operations. Let's say that's more
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More attuned for the UAP the the unidentifiable
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phenomenon and we had UAP class stuff popping up
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To the south of there coming in from the outer atmosphere and hovering into place and going back into space
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What do you mean you were running operations more attuned to the UAP?
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We were looking for that we were expecting that looking for that and making sure we were paying attention for things that fit
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Well, and UAPs are very safe work UAP is the words of our you should say UAP more often because it means
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Anomalous phenomenon. I mean I don't know how you get I don't know how that becomes as concrete as if there's aliens and spaceships flying around because it's the opposite of clear or
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Conclusive. Yeah, so UAPs should be a safe word. So yes, it was UAP and we were looking for UAP
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We're looking specifically for things that we couldn't identify and clearly didn't fit into a box
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the the following nights our plan was to get
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Airborne and in our helicopter and get a closer look
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legally under the guidance of the FAA's air traffic control
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What was interesting about the situation is that there was a TFR setup
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Overpick a tinny arsenal a month prior like before Thanksgiving and the TFR is a temporary flight restriction
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Which is turns any airspace into highly restricted airspace
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On a case by case basis and so someone
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Had the foresight or the
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Reasoning to set up a TFR to restrict drone activity over pick a tinny arsenal weeks before Thanksgiving
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We're there, you know around Christmas
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Our little before Christmas. So this has been going on for a month in the area and what's interesting about this TFR is it didn't restrict general aviation traffic
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It could only restrict
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UAS unmanned aerial systems
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So what that means is any member of the general public who got in their civilian aircraft with the pilot's license could fly through that TFR
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With no restrictions
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But a drone could not so they were carving out for drones
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Well, the problem there is an aircraft could have an incursion with these drones so everyone was pretending
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weren't there was ignoring it and now you have an accident or an incident which is
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Which is a safety risk and when you get into safety risks for things that fly around in the air things
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Get serious really quick and that was
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The biggest problem and the biggest thing that wasn't being addressed that we were trying to make sure people were paying attention to was that
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To say there's no public risk. That's a really low hanging fruit
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Not the most exciting detail to anchor to in this thing
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But it's an anchor point where we could start digging and forcing people to give more concise reports from the DOD side from the local law enforcement agencies
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Um, because nobody was working together there
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Over 59 local law enforcement entities working not coordinating there. We had FBI. We had DOD. We had
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private partners on Picatinny
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Some from legacy programs that
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That are very popular. We're there with their very fancy tools and toys. Everyone's doing their own thing
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Um, were you called in specifically because of your UAP retrieval experience?
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Wouldn't say my retrieval experience per se but our team of guys
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Uh, we're second to none and I'm not being
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Overly proud in saying that so we were brought in um
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More so on the behalf of the DOD to help take a look at things and and really contribute anyway we can
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But we found there was a lot of there wasn't a lot of coordination going on the powers of B
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Really don't know what's going on or very few do and they're clearly not communicating with the rest of
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Our leadership and the public. I mean, it's a great sample of
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Why this whole thing is so confusing? Yeah, it's the New Jersey Jones that it
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What did Trump mean when he said
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It's probably not adversary. We know where the garage is we could go into the garage our military knows where they took off from
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If it's a garage they can go right into that garage. They know where it came from and where it went
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You're asking me to know what Trump means
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You're just asking another guy that's watching
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That on his phone like you so what what was your net assessment just for the average
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Net assessment is really confused based on
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What we know from previous incursions that mcdill and Langley Air Force Base this year as well
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That there were Chinese nationals that were taken into custody
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That's a very big problem because if they are state actors and they are
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It's an act of war and so
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How do we respond to an act of war like there are no good options because either we look weak
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Involvable because we don't respond or we do respond in what now we're at war with China which the world cannot afford
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There's there's a counter plate now if I was if I was a red team member when I look at it
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This lens what I would do if I was working if I if America was my adversary
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Invasion it would be a false flag. I would make it look like China was
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Doing this and I would hire you know the billions of people to live in China aren't all singing the same song
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There's plenty of disgruntled people there that are for hire that work for other organizations worldwide
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And our criminals in other capacities that aren't in a line with with China's intention. So I would I would hire a Chinese
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National or someone from China and deploy them to make it look like China was causing the incursion in order to start a war with the US for a number of
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Nefarious purposes. So it could have been a false flag like that
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The biggest problem with shooting them down everyone's like why don't you just shoot them down?
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Well, this is pointed out of vulnerability. We've known for a very long time with
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Why there's a whole category of contracting in the US called C UAS or counter UAS systems is because
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Drone incursions are a problem because you can't shoot them down
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Because where they are most likely a problem is over highly populated area like here
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Dodger stadium, let's say you can't just shoot them down because then now they're gonna fall and cause damage to people and property
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So what do you do like you really can't do anything unless you can chase down who's operating them and take them into custody
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Okay, okay, but do you think any of these were genuine non-human intelligence any of these drones you mentioned the Chinese
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Yes, okay, I do and so why do you think that because of
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The way they transitioned in didn't transition doubt
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Indications we got within our
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Our observation operations the way we observe and collect data
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That would be my guess is I do think that there was a
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To this combined which is what makes it really confusing you know the biggest mystery of this whole thing is the mystery
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Like there shouldn't be a mystery. This is a very simple thing. There's something in the sky go figure out what it is
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Find out who's flying it. It's over day one right this continues to happen over and over again
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And we still are pretending like we're confused which points to something that is
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far superior to us technologically that is a femoral or weekly entangled with our reality
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And popping in and out and not something that is easily or prosaically understood and in the case
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I think what makes this so confusing is in the case in which it is genuine UAP you would get
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Probably our state-of-the-art drones
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Around there as well. We throw those out to kind of detect yeah
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And so you end up with this extremely
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Kind of fuzzy mixed bag where it's much easier
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Again, I don't want to beat beat up on Tron Ryan
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I think he's actually an amazing anywhere guy
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But like you have him retweeting that like maybe there's like this you know loose nuke on the eastern seaboard
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I was freaking out. I was texting Logan. We were freaking out about it for for a day and then
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There's something easier about that narrative cleaner about that narrative than
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It's actually just this complicated mix of non-human intelligence and people don't like lectures. We want black and white and you know Sean is
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Just as vulnerable to that as we all are. I could tell you it wasn't loose nuke's
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And why I know that for sure is because I know people that work on the nest team
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Uh, I know people on what is a nest team. It's the nuclear emergency support team
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um that hat and I also know people that work for the w the weapon
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It's a mass destruction directive under the department of FBI. They were there their families were there
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They weren't like get the fuck out of dodge like there's a loose nuke
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So they wouldn't have had their kids there. They wouldn't have been like going to target and buying churros like
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No, they were they were chilling out right so they weren't worried about a loose nuke at that time
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So and you really have to look that practically um
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We're going through this major shift where we're realizing we can't trust
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We can't trust the narrative that's being presented and people don't know how to respond to that and I feel really bad for like
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Baby boom the good baby boomers because they're getting
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Like vilified so much, but like I am lost the sweetest old people like they've trusted the news and newspaper
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They're all right. They've trusted offices of the president and um, it's real dangerous because there's this calling to like
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Throw it all out like get rid of all of our institutions
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Get rid of the government and that's not the answer what what this needs to be is a call to action for all
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People with work ethic and a deep sense of meaning to start occupying
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positions within institutions and offices like we just need to occupy these positions of power and seize our institutions and this is everything from like
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You know the Catholic Church to the World Health Organization organization to
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Police departments like so many good people. I know that our cops are like screw this especially around the George Floyd incident and all the fallout from defund the police
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They're like I'm retiring. I'm good. No, like oh great. We're just going to turn the police department over to those who would work under these conditions and these new standards of like
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You don't have to be able to do a pull-up or run right? Like you can be overweight and like and try and like protect and serve
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No, and so and same in the military so many people have gotten out because of how
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How why maybe the spirit of DEI or some like to rearrange it?
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Dei because it's it's a death sentence
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But the spirit of that makes sense to all good people like everyone who's in the military
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Is here to risk our life so that you can be free to say what everyone and orient yourself sexually with everyone
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But it's being gone about the wrong way and so people are punching out and that's the last thing we want to do
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We have to you if you want if you're willing to sacrifice your life in some glorified sexy way of like jump on a grenade for your
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Buddy and having an awesome funeral will then be willing to put up with
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Rubs you the wrong way like stay in your sacrifice is more nuanced than the glory of a fantastic death
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You need to stay in your job and put up with
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Political HR shit and occupy positions a leadership and then make changes. That's the only way this works
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That is a beautiful and not nihilistic message to a lot of people who I think have felt
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Cheated by the establishment and institutions over decades and I do think often the blame gets sometimes fairly
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Sometimes unfairly pinned on the baby boomers
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And so I mean yeah, it's important to not throw the baby out with the bath water
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The final thing I think we should just talk about on the New Jersey drone thing and then I think we should move on
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Is on the point of good critical thinking
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These quote-unquote drones seem to be showing up consistently around sensitive military sites and all over the world
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Not just in New Jersey. Yeah, so Picatinny Arsenal's one place. That's where they initially seem to show up
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But you have Lake and he you have
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Salem nuclear power plant in Jersey you have Brunswick, you know Duke Energy power plant in North Carolina
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And this just totally comports with Robert Hastings work on UFOs and new so I do think it's important to put
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This in its proper context then what we're seeing today if you actually have that context is probably what we've seen historically
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You have this UFO flaps historically. Yes. It's just ridiculous that it's happening now and that we don't know how to respond to it
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We don't know how to discern what it is
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um and the drones even if let's say it's drones that would still freak people out
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I mean you could go you could even YouTube you don't even have to go
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But if you've ever been to like a tech trade show where
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Someone like GM or Chrysler is like showing their new prototype for a flying car
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Which is essentially a quadcopter just like leaked out. It's incredible
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It looks crazy and it's a real thing that you could happen and fly it right now
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And there's no reason another nation or some autonomous organization that's that's based out of Mexico
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Where it doesn't have to follow us laws like some billionaire couldn't
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Put together a plan to get off the off the shore of New Jersey and the Atlantic Ocean and launch a bunch of these
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And some of them can launch off the water they could go from the water not under but from the water to the sky
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And it and it looks like something out of you know historically would like a movie are there underwater
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UFO bases? I would think so. Yeah
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That seems to be the case yeah
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And this was part of the challenge in my journey and how it took me a long time
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To get to the point to where I realized you know what we're dealing with is NHI versus our own advanced technology
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Because there is a spectrum
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I mean we've kind of filled the gap at least from an ignorant standpoint unless you have the right way to analyze
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What you're observing and I use those terms broadly because we there's
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So much more than a human looking up with
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With like ultraviolet sensing eyeballs like there's more than that and so but there's such a spectrum that it is it is hard to discern
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There's a lot of belief involved
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I want to put my cynic hat on for a second and ask some audience surrogate questions
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Because I think a lot of people are probably just
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Freaked out a little ontologically shocked at some of these claims
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So there's this conspiracy theory called project blue beam
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There are people out there that think that
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This is all being orchestrated by the deep state that these orbs or crafts will show up
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It'll be an auspice for which to to clamp down and create a surveillance state or to create some fake
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You know anti-Christ like religious awakening
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That is you know completely a sham. What do you have anything to say to that?
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And an unorganized effort on behalf of the US government
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To disclose some of this stuff. I mean as early as
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I mean as recent as like 2015-16
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I mean a tip was certainly part of that effort
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I don't think that should be looked at negatively. I mean
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Those who are the gatekeepers or those who are holding these secrets or have the power to release it
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Let's say first of all it's not one group
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It's multiple like what would you want them to do with it like we can't complain that where they're not telling us anything or
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They're putting out some organized disclosure program and soft serving it to us like I think
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Well first of all that has been done and
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Whether or not that's a bad idea or not. I don't know
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So I think the philosophical question that naturally arises here is
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Implementing techniques that seem like you're almost tapping into this sacred other spiritual world
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Hmm, but you're sort of doing it on behalf of American defense
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Obviously you've shown that your loyalty transcends just pure, you know, organizational expedience and realizing that this is actually bad for the country the way this thing was set up
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But what about loyalty above that even? Yeah, just metaphysical loyalty loyalty to God and if these things are angels or celestial creatures
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how do you square the fact that
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We're moving in kind of celestial realms, but we're kind of you know
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Using the frame of American defense with all this stuff. Yeah, that's a fun question and we're all forced to consider it once you get to this point
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Like the angels and demons idea. I think it's a good place to kind of orient
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The idea of what we're dealing with
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Because there certainly is good energy and bad energy at play my experience has been
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I would say a hundred percent good energy like profoundly good for so for whatever reason
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If this if this is an atypical experience or if it only represents one half of the experiences people have with the NHI energy
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That's fine, but mine has been
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positive and has been life changing and has guided me and given me orientation and motivation and clarity
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It's it gives me so many things. It's like being tapped into
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Something like a guiding light or an omnipresent
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God that has your best will at heart, but
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The question comes up often in our circle of friends, let's say
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The question of are these things or is this phenomenon
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benevolent or malevolent and the answer is yes
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Much like us they're both we have the capacity for both good and evil and it just
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philosophically and beyond like
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has a pretty consistent
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Set of elements and structure that we've already observed so to think that there's something like good and evil
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That exists throughout all domains and dimensions and distances makes a lot of sense
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And what also explain a lot of what we're hearing through the echoes of history related to the phenomenon angels and demons
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So that makes a lot of sense um and
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Not be naive and assume that
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There's no reason to be worried about
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Higher life form or more technologically advanced life form or a more dominant life form
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Let's just put it that way whether it it lives in our three-dimensional space or it's extra dimensional
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It could be a real problem um which is why like on one hand
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For better or for worse the government is the primary custodian on this knowledge and this hardware and
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They're the hammer that identifies everything as a nail there are there are a military-based organization
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so they're going to look for
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advantages for offense and defense and
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You know it's easy to point fingers and say that's disgusting and this should be about love
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But that's not the way the world works and
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The freedom we experience and I I
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I'm qualified to speak on this from both sides like I'm a human. I have love in my heart
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Um, I'm open-minded. I'm caring. I'm sensitive
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But I'm also a trained soldier and so I understand the value of that and
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In the benefits that have been provided to us from a military state from a military dominance on this planet and to assume
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To take that for granted is very unwise
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And so you know, it's like the good analogies like a kitchen knife
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Kitchen knife could be used to
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Make beautiful food for your family. It could be used to defend yourself or to
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maliciously kill another human is a knife good or bad
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it's the intention of
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The being wielding it that makes the difference this brings up the next logical question
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Which is that the osat program which ran from 2007 to
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2012 but under the auspices of Harry Reid
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a lot of these guys were
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digging holes and looking into kind of exotic weaponry and they were doing it on skin walker ranch
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And a lot of them reported this quote-unquote hitchhiker effect. Yeah, and so all sorts of orbs and but honestly
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Haunt things like really paranormal bad that it's like as if they played with a Ouija board following them home
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And so it does seem like what you put in is is is what you get out it's like that new round of sun
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You know get what you give yeah, and so that might be part of it. Seek what seek and you shall find yeah, and so
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I am also of the mind that protecting the free world is not something we can take for granted
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And so my hope is that whatever good
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NHI you know are there like agree with that and then at the same time if you're
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Intagonizing any of the good NHI and they're just actually just superior to us
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I worry about that somewhat and if you're doing it in the name of
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Country but your country doesn't always act in the best possible way. I mean that the
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You mentioned the term false flag before yeah the history of American foreign policy is not the history of perfect
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Moral alignment with with the higher good no, it means it ends justified by me often often and so
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Yeah, how do you think about all that going forward?
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I think we should decentralize the ideas and what I mean by that is
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One thing I hope comes of all of this is we encourage every individual to start looking into answering this question themselves
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not only by just doing your own research
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Inside don't look inside as much you're looking out walk outside look to the sky try doing something like praying
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You don't even have to pray come up with another word for it if that's too like
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There's too much like judo Christian stigma with that word like
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Walk outside look at the sky open your heart and ask for the good energy the universe to show something to you
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And it's that simple like
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Stuff can happen in our experience just by doing that you talk about the hitchhiker effect
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And I share that most of my experience has been positive
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But I haven't shared that stuff has followed me home and that my
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Family sees it we have stuff show up over our house. We have
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A UAP we call the angel that shows up and it looks like it has or wings. It's blue and it comes in materializes hangs out over the house
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It's seen by neighbors. It's seen by everybody and then it's gone. It shoots in the outer space
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Think the the classic the wings that describes a syruf theme, you know like an ancient kind of hybrach
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Angel and so I mean it makes sense like and that's the first time we saw it my son saw
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We thought it was cloud. It's like there's not a cloud in the sky, but it seemed cloudy around this thing
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wings it was blue and it had like
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more like butterfly wings than like
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That that that's somehow protecting you or good or it feels like a good energy like
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We can feel that energy I got in the aircraft that night is that same energy I get
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I mean it puts my my son in tears. It puts like and he's not afraid like he's moved
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And it's incredible. So like how do you explain that?
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And that's a good way to to maybe
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If you want to start being your own little amateur scientist
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If you walk outside and you open your heart
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To the good spirit of the universe and you ask for something specific
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It seems like a silly exercise and something happens
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Let's say you did a craft
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Did you just summon advanced human technology did edwards air force dispatch dispatch an aircraft and hovered over your house
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Probably not so it's probably more likely like there's something anomalous or in H.I. based with that
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Situation then you know, do you think that the
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Inner outer dichotomy is a false one and that these things are somehow
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Excavations of what's inside of you and maybe a future science is actually a more
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Spiritual science. There's this 19th century Austrian philosopher named Rudolph Steiner who talks about ants
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Reposophy where it's studying the inner in order to
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Garner mastery over the outer world. That was what alchemy was all about as well
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I think it's all on the table now
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That's what's fun, but also crazy about this is like there's so much on the table
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There's so much to be explored and this is what I appreciate about
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Gary dr. Nolan's attitude is that
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He he thinks this is the greatest moment ever for science not like
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Something that's ridiculous. Well, I think what's beautiful about it is it since the enlightenment
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Science in the spirit have cleaved off and bifurcated and if you were to go back to Francis Bacon
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He would say I am using the scientific method was back then you know more empirical skepticism
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It wasn't called that at the time, but I'm using that in order to discover God's secrets
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And since then you now you have like you know richer dockets who's like this, you know extremely
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You know, it's just atheist and you see sort of you know disrespects anybody that believes and then on the other side you have
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Religious fundamentalists who don't take science super seriously and will like throw Darwin out like it like isn't even an effective local theory
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Which is probably you know, it's probably as some use as a theory
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No, I love that point because it's it's something like the the beauty of white a children a child can ask why infinitely and it can annoy an adult
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It's like why why why because you can track that and the fact that you can't put a lid on it or dead in that line of questioning
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Means that there's something that adult is missing in that scenario and that's the way I see the approach of the scientific method or thinking that the I that the pursuit of science is somehow
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Uh as a skew to the pursuit of God because even within the scientific method
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Where did that come from and why was it created?
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Why do you think it's worthwhile to have a method to objectively evaluate your environment?
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You would have to believe that it leads to a what you consider a good outcome now that leads to the next question of well
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What what is a good outcome and why do you care about what good is
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Totally you so you can't get away even in this this high horse of
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Science and the scientific method from the pursuit of science because if you're a scientist is because you love science
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You want you have interest and an intuition that ex that going down this road
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Objectively through the method is going to lead to something worthwhile for you and you just loop right back around to
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Understanding that you were seeking something good and worthwhile and where does that come from?
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Yeah, and maybe science and religion are you know
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bottoms of the pyramid and if you ascend you get to some omega point at the top where they meet and
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There's a great Meister Eckhart quote theologians may quarrel but mystics all speak the same language
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And I do think if you are just
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Intaking information in search of the truth
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Uh, I think that's that's a that's a process that is agnostic of you know
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Sciences one method religion is another
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We're all sort of seeking some some sort of outcome and in Jesus even says in the book of mark
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He says some I'm paraphrasing, but it's something like what you measure you'll get more of
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And so you know, it's where you point your attention and intention
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And that seems to be something that is consistent with the phenomena when you talk about attracting the good or the evil spirits
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Uh, I mean make no mistake. There have been
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Dark things that have happened within
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CR to other graves. Yeah, um to other groups and I'm not going to talk about that, but just uh
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it doesn't mean though
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Those who hate talking about it this way it in in the uap
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Don't want us talking about the negative want us to focus on the positive
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It's because they think that that means our behavior should change but it's it's complex like anything like it's
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The good still exists even though there's bad but you can't you have to acknowledge that there are there are dangers associated
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With it if you're an audience member at this point
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I think you're probably wondering you're having a burning question, which is
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What about space aliens this all seems to be talk of spirituality inner outer orbs that sort of thing
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Where do do we have any evidence that these things come from other planets? I don't know um
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I'll I'll give you one piece of information that people may have gotten out of the stuff that's come out the last couple of years, but this
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This will help and it may not be the answer everyone wants, but you know, there's a reason we use the term biologics and
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Uh, there's a reason
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Dave really hung his hat on that
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phrase every time he used it that's because
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Biologics didn't doesn't necessarily mean
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sentient beings or conscious creatures
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It could be something like a drone from another
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Place like we do we send our drones we have like say gone sent voyager out like we've all done these things
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Are not we've all but our government has done many drone programs Mars rovers etc
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So the biologics could be something like soft tissue drones
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while some of the biological
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cargo that comes with these craft is not conscious
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Consciousness itself is how you interact and pilot the craft which is ironic because for the first time ever
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The biological creatures inside are not conscious, but the craft is
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Well, it's funny you say that DARPA at this very moment is looking into a field called computational biology
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and we're looking at you know, how do we
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Manipulate the biological world that you create an anatomical compiler if you will and we're we're starting to understand
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How cells operate on a more granular level and so
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You'd have to think some civilization either on another planet or ours
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Uh with a lot more time energy and expertise maybe
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Has figured out something like that and that brings me to my next question, which is
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A lot of people talk about being abducted by these gray aliens and a lot of the people who describe these abductions
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Say that the gray aliens are sort of droid like robotic creatures that seem to be sent almost as like messengers
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Where they're doing these specific retrievals and insertions so insertions of you know implants and then retrievals of gametes genetic material
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That sort of thing. Yeah. Do you have any take on any of this stuff? Man that stuff
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First of all, I have zero experience with gray or beings or meeting something face to face. I'd love to do it
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But I mean it's crazy as it sounds the most trusted people in my circle that I will have worked with and do work with
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Have speak to having those first hand experiences with
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And so it's like what do you do with that and now I'm in the
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Now I'm in the seat of
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Well, where's the proof like no, I'm like I want to believe that like how can I get there and
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I can't because that's where it's like
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I understand where people are taking my information and trying to get there with me and you just can't I just can't get there
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Um, but it's it's awfully intriguing because I believe that they believe that that happened um and
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There are reports that we do have biologics and storage and we just don't know what that is
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But this is all the more reason like why I'm excited to like
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Move forward in this new venture and the fact that we have we have created our own autonomy and that we're going out
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We have a budget. We're operating and we're we're in a public private partnership
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And I hope to answer all these questions
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I'm trying not to say a date but within the first half of 2025 we hope to do a demonstration and and invite key members of the public from institutions
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Um and demonstrate this and maybe even get something to the ground we can do it legally and coordination with
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um our government partners which we have to do we can't just go rogue and do this without them
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They have to be involved
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But it is likely that we'll have an opportunity to do that and that's going to answer a lot of questions
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That would be absolutely insane look man. Like the skies aren't classified
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Your conscious can't be redacted
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So get out there and start looking up start looking in
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No, yeah, that's part of the reason I'm here is because you know, I just became a dad a dad of a daughter
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It's three months old and I look at this little lady and I I feel like
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This responsibility for for helping at least to shape a positive world
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Uh, that heads towards progression in the right direction and
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I think this closure is a much bigger conversation that
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Will open a lot of people's eyes
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one thing you said to me on
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Or us on the on the first phone call we had
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Is you know people talk about this feeling of ontological shock where it's like
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It's really hard for a lot of people to face the reality that their entire world view is being challenged
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And I certainly felt that but one thing you said that I liked was
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You like to think of it as ontological relief where it's like actually
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Some of the questions about like when I look up in the sky is like what what am I what are we how are we here?
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There's like a like some semblance of answers or or something a little more that's explained
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That that actually makes me go huh
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All right, it's making a little bit more sense than it was before um
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Yeah, no and it's something like giving up atheism when you become a parent because you're like
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This can't be all I can't be the smartest person in the room
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I can't be the richest or most influential influential person in the room
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I can't be the most powerful person in the room
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This is for the president when he goes to sleep at night like I'm not qualified like I need there to be more
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I need there to be deeper meaning. I need there to be more connection between us
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I because every person even the bad guys that we run into in life at one time
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We're just an innocent little baby and there's something sweet and meaningful in every human
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And that's what this whole thing offers like is this woo woo is that sounds like
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That's the the best thing that could be harvested by acknowledging this and it's got this
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Like stigma attached to it, but that's not it. It's not about like
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Flying equipment like well, but can we get into flying saucer and like get to London in two minutes or could we get there yesterday?
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Because now we know try like screw all that the real implications are way more powerful and it's
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It's realizing that there is something else out there that's maybe not extra at all
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It's something that's part of us. It's like outer space versus inner space is all the same
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And so that I hope there's something really beautiful
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On the other side of this which is why we need more people involved. We need religious communities involved. We need like
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We need the leftists most tree hugging spiritual people to get into this thing
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That's been controlled and it's been locked up by the most like tyrannical right wing leaning people
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To me one of the most important stories in a millennium let alone a century
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Because it should make everybody question core ontological truths and
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Like you said, hopefully open their eyes to a broader reality
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That is I think expansive and exciting. So wow. Thank you, man. Well, thank you the pleasures mine and
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Let's make sure we get this out there so that future generations aren't having to rediscover this thing
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