Transcript: Tim Burchett - Non-human Biologics, UFO Encounters, and Mexico's Alien Bodies | SRS #78 Part 2

And they saw a sequence of four craft in a clear diamond formation for which there is a radar sequence that I and I alone have observed in the United States Congress.

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One of the pilots goes to check out that diamond formation and sees a large floating, what I can only describe as an orb, again, like I said, not of any human capability that I'm aware of.

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And when he approached, he said that his radar went down.

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He said that his FLIR system malfunctioned, and that he had to manually take this image from one of the lenses, and it was not automatic in collection.

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As you would typically see in a test mission.

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So I guess I'll start with Commander Fraver.

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How should we think about the fact that this craft that was approached by our pilot had the capability of disarming a number of the sensor and collection systems on that craft?

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Well, I think this goes to that national security side, and you can go back through history of things showing up in certain areas and disabling our capabilities, which is disheartening.

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And for us, I mean, like I said, it completely disabled the radar on the aircraft when I try to do it, and the only way we could see it is passively, which is how you got that image.

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So I think that's a concern on what are these doing, not only how do they operate, but their capabilities inside to do things like this.

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And how should we think about for craft moving in a very clear formation, equidistant from one another in a diamond?

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In all of the phenomenon, perhaps Mr. Grave, that you've analyzed, have we ever seen multiple craft in a single formation?

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I have one particular case, and that was during the gimbal incident. The recording on the AT Flair system shows a single object that rotates.

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You hear the pilots refer to a fleet of objects that is not visible on the Flair system, and that was something that I witnessed during the debrief as part of the radar data on the situational awareness page.

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I would like to add, whoever Congressman, there's a small bit of anger, I would say, I would feel that those pilots are still facing that difficulty in reporting this topic, and they don't have the tools to be able to mitigate this issue.

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It just goes to show how serious this is and why this is such an important issue for our pilots and for our nation.

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It was stated explicitly to me by these test pilots that if you have a UAP experience, the best thing you can do for your career is forget it and not tell anyone.

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Because any type of reporting, either above the surface or below the surface, does have a perceived consequence to these people, and that is a culture we must change if we want to get to the truth.

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I would observe that perhaps as we move forward from this hearing, there are some obvious next steps.

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Every person watching this knows that we need to meet with Mr. Grush in a secure compartmentalized facility so that we can get full some answers that do not put him in jeopardy and that give us the information we need.

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Second, I would suggest that the radar images that were collected of this formation of craft out of Eglond Air Force Base, and specifically the actual image taken by the actual flight crew that we can actually validate be provided to the committee subpoena if necessary so that we're able to track how to get this type of reporting and analysis done in a more full some way.

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I would say that recommendation humbly is a guest here of the Fine Oversight Committee. I yield back.

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I will say it was very refreshing to see two sides come together.

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I asked AOC, she's a buddy of mine. I call her Cortez. She calls me birch at us. I still don't think she quite gets that I'm not out together.

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It's like I'm going to go up to the Bronx or wherever the heck she's from and beat her. She's going to come to Knoxville, Tennessee and beat me.

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I wish she would would would would cuss me on the six o'clock news one time. I said that I could just stand on the corner of Kingston Park in North Shore with just a bushel basket. She said, why is that? I think those people be throwing money at me.

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She thought that was great. I said, if you need me to come work work against you and say I'm from Cisco, just call me.

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It is a nonpartisan issue and I think there's a complete distrust of government. It's well-earned and it's both parties do that.

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I think we kind of seized upon that.

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Let's talk about some of the roadblocks that you guys face going into this. You got turned around into several different military installations.

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I went down to that was at Eglin. I guess down in Florida, I think myself in Luna and Matt Gates. They're both from Florida. So I went down there and ate about three dozen raw oysters at some place.

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Matt has brought to me too. The next morning we went to that meeting and we're told we're going to be briefed and see pictures and trying to visualize it all on my head because it's still so predictable and meet the pilots.

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We go into the skiff which is James Bond kind of stuff. I don't have a fit bit. If you had a fit bit, you had to take it off. You got to watch or anything electronic or a phone. You had to put it in the little similar to the things they found the cocaine in at the White House. Those kind of compartmentalized things.

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We go in. It's a big room. A lot of brass. A lot of suits. Probably CIA or NSA or somebody I don't know. They gave us a great briefing on some really scary stuff that's going on in and around where they are.

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Can you elaborate on any of that? Not really. See, that's what I'm saying. This is a trap. We got to get in the skiff to get this information. Well, in some instances, unless it's been put out, which all this stuff, mostly this stuff at Eglund was put out by other people in the room.

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If they tell you that stuff, it's secret. You're not allowed to talk about it unless the press has been out there. But anyway, and that's a trap. That's what they want to do with David Grush. They want to get him in the skiff. Let's get this information.

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It's kind of questionable if they do that. If we can even talk about it. People say, well, it helps us to divide our questions. I just think it's a trap. I just take him at his word and we go on.

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Anyway, Matt basically just says, hey, you all have a, it's not what we said we were coming down here for.

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And he said, yeah, I appreciate all this, but this isn't what we, you know, we were told we were going to talk to pilots. We're going to see pictures. We're going to get to interview the pilots on what they saw. And they said, you can't do it. You don't have the, you know, you don't have the credentials or whatever. We don't have, you don't have clearance. You don't have the clearance. Yeah.

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And which is not true. So technically we're supposed to have the clearance. And Matt said, I tell you what we're going to do. It's like, he said, we're going to come in here. We're going to start out. We're going to, we're going to have a hearing in DC.

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And we're going to ask you some questions and probably, and I'm paraphrasing what Matt said, but he said, y'all are going to purge yourself on something you've said. And we're going to hold you accountable.

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And said, which is it? And they said, we're not. And that said, all right. He said, I'm calling Washington. I'm only talking to somebody in Washington. So, um,

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whoever had the Pentagon, you know, Matt, and the general brought us a nice fruit tray. I remember up there. And the room was bugged, by the way. That was funny thing. The room was, they had these mics connected and all this other stuff. And it was just, you know, I don't, it's typical BS.

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And so, um, I was enjoying a delicious fruit tray at government expense. Matt was talking to the Pentagon. And an hour later, the general came in and there's one of his people. I can't remember which said, all right. We're bringing them in.

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And so we go back down. And, um, they talked. They talked about, and Matt described it in his, in the, in the hearing about some things.

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And, uh, I always took this from us.

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That, that what Matt said in the hearing, he said, these were craft that were none of our enemies or our adversaries or friends had.

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And nobody in this world had this type of aircraft. Is that correct?

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And they all said, nope. Nobody's got those.

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unanimously without hesitation.

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Without hesitation.

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It went down the line. I'm not sure if he asked that. Anyway, but that led up to all that, at which I thought was, was, I don't know if magnificence the right word, but it was, you know, you don't ask a question, let you know the answer.

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And, uh, and it was, uh, it was historic, I guess. It comes, it's funny that the wheels and washers.

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And leadership, both parties, they just, I let Merchit go ahead and do the thing. And I go show up, you know, I had like a thousand.

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And they said they had more people there than they've ever had at anything.

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I walked down the hall and they were lined up around. People saw me and started clapping and getting selfies and stuff.

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I got up at fourth. I left the office at 430. That morning to go beyond Fox to talk about the hearing coming up.

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People were already lined up, dude. Outside the building at 430 in the morning. I met people from overseas that had flown in on their own dime.

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I mean, that's what someone kid came from Alaska. He said, I'm flown near on my own dime. I said, well, get in line, brother.

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And you know, it was, the hearing was, I don't know, three hours. Maybe I don't know, two and a half hours.

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People never left. And they had, what you didn't see was they had a whole nother viewing room packed with people were watching it.

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And so, you know, the people, white folks, black folks, different faiths had a priest in there of all things who came to watch it.

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And I, a reporter told me that they'd been there 15 years and said, Tim, I've named all these hearings that went on.

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He said, they've never had anybody that's this much interest.

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Man. And that's what caught leadership off guard, I think.

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That surprised you. No, it did not. I thought they'd try to turn a lot of them away.

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You knew how, how much interest the subject is.

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Yeah, right. We tried to have, it's funny. We had a press conference.

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My press secretary, Rachel said, you know, boss, we're going to do this press event.

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And I said, okay, whatever. And I didn't really think much of it. You know, I just said, we're going to sit there and answer a few questions.

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And I was getting ready to walk into our conference meeting. I called it caucus when I was in the state legislator's conference now.

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And I'm sorry, I look off a lot. I'm trying to visualize because I can visualize it in my head what we were doing.

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I remember I was walking down the hall and a reporter set their microphone, set hand it to the camera and said, hey, Tim, can I talk to you for a minute?

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And this was a reporter from a major network. I said, yeah, brother, what's up?

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I thought, maybe he's in trouble. I don't know. And he said, hey, you get this press conference called tomorrow, right? And I said, yeah, yeah.

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And he said, you know, they put you in a room. It's under construction. I said, this is a big event.

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Nobody, you can't get in there. There won't be enough room for y'all to even hardly be in there.

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And I was like, really? And so we did some check in. In fact, I mean, you know, every step of the way they tried to block us.

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And that always just inspired me to push a little harder because even the press knew that there's something going on with this thing.

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And they got all this other stuff to cover, Hunter Biden and the president and all those shenanigans and cocaine at the White House.

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And the border and fentanyl and all these incredibly important things. But every reporter pretty much was on top of that thing.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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What other kind of pushback did you get?

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We had pushed back from our own Republican staff, you know, trying to discredit members.

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I was, apparently I was mistaken, but I was, you know, I was told I was going to chair this meeting.

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Yeah. And day before I was told, no, in fact, you're not going to chair this meeting.

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Who makes that decision?

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When it comes from on high, it's got to go through the speaker to the chairman or whatever you know.

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But it was fine. The guy that chaired it did a good job and, and I don't think he realized, you know, how big it was going to be.

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Yeah.

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I have a tiger by the tail on that one.

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I mean, was that McCarthy's decision?

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I don't know. I don't know. I guess. I mean, it could have been the chairman. It could have just been, could have been I just misunderstood.

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But I mean, you know, if you, you saw any interview leading up to that, it said Tim Berkshire will be chairing this.

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I mean, loaned. She said I was going to chair it. Gates said I was going to chair it.

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Moscow said I was going to chair it. Everybody said I was going to chair it. And then I was told.

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But you know, again, they asked, I got out there, you know, I tweeted, I said, I've just been informed.

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And I dropped it at that because I didn't want the issue to be me or the what was going on.

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I wanted it to be, I wanted to be what was in that thing because that could have easily blown up into, you know, we just walked off.

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And then they would have been sitting there talking about Chinese Sp

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Which is what, which is what a lot of them wanted it to be about.

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That's what a couple of them brought up. They did.

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Well, they're, you know, folks like I had a tie to leadership and that's fine.

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I thought something funny was going on when they pulled you off that.

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In fact, I asked you why did you get pulled off, but, but, we touched a nerve.

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I mean, you know, we tried to do the select committee and intelligence.

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Another instance, one other thing before I forget.

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I'm sorry to pull you off, as you thought, but the TA, the TA reauthorization, transportation reauthorization bill.

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I had an amendment on that just said if a commercial pilot, not a, not a, you know, armed forces, commercial pilot spots a UFO or UAP that they, when they make that report that it has to be made to Congress as well.

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The bill, the amendment was not even allowed to be heard.

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The whip came to me on the House floor and said the intelligence community, not the intelligence committee, but the intelligence community had some problems with that.

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A bunch of unelected bureaucrats. Once again, you wonder how they can still fund Ukraine while the rest of the country goes, goes without.

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Unelected bureaucrats. Once again.

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And they, it wasn't even heard in committee.

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And to me, that, that's unacceptable.

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Yeah, that's disturbing.

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Where do you think that the motivation comes from, especially from people in your own party trying to discredit you or whoever's decision it was to pull you off chair in that hearing?

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Where's the motivation coming from?

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Got too much attention. We're turning over too many stounds. Too many people were getting uncomfortable.

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So are these people being paid?

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I don't know. I don't know what they're doing.

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Honestly, I mean, it's the swamp.

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I mean, it's the, it's the crookedest thing I've ever been around in my life.

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But I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's what you're biggest surprise when you have to watch them. But it was not surprised because it's, you know, it's just human nature and they play upon it.

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People want to be liked. They want to be popular. They want to have money.

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They want power.

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I think it may be from coming from the reverse engineering, supposedly, reverse engineering projects and maybe some of these, these

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military industrial complex companies may be paying people off to try to discredit you.

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I think I can tank them to dinner one night and then say, hey, we got this little condo down here to beach once you bring your girlfriend or boyfriend or both down to the beach or something.

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And you know, they get their tentacles into them, their claws into them. And then they just out them.

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It's just a, they develop a relationship and everybody wants to be liked.

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And, and I get it, I get it. I'm not angry at anybody. I'm not even disappointed. I'm not even surprised.

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It's just, it's just what I deal with on a daily basis, just about on any issue.

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It's the way it is up there.

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That's right. It needs to change.

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Well, let's unpack, let's unpack the actual hearing now.

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Okay.

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So I just like to go through each guy's testimony, you know, even though it was all kind of intermixed.

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But let's start out with the pilots.

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David Fraver.

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A commander favorite, Fraver.

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Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, carsmen, carerswomen.

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I want to first thank you for the invitation to speak to the committee on the UAP topic.

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There's been a news for the past six years and it seems to be continuing to gain momentum.

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As you know, my name is David Fraver. I'm a retired commander in the United States Navy.

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In 2004, I was a commanding officer of strike fighter squadron 41, the world famous black aces.

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We were attached to carry air wing 11 station on board the USS Nimitz and it began a two month workup cycle off the coast of California.

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On this day, we were scheduled for a 2v2 air-dare training with the USS Princeton as our control.

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When we launched off NUITS, my wingman was joining up.

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We were told that the training was going to be suspended and we're going to proceed with rear-world tasking.

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As we proceeded to the west, the air controller was counting down the range to an object that we were going to and we were unaware of what we were going to see when we arrived.

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The controller told us that these objects had been observed for over two weeks coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hanging out for hours and then going straight back up for those who don't realize above 80,000 feet is space.

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We arrived at the location at approximately 20,000 feet in the controller called Merchplot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same resolution cell as the contact.

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As we looked around, we noticed that we saw some white water off our right side.

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It's important to note that the weather on this day was as close to the perfect as you could ask for off the coast of San Diego.

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Clear skies, light winds, calm seas, no white caps from waves.

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So the white water stood out in a large blue ocean.

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All four of us, because we were in F-18F, so we had pilots in Wizzo in the back seat.

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Looked down a small, saw a white tic-tac object with a longitudinal axis pointing north-south and moving very abruptly over the water like a ping-pong ball.

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There were no rotors, no rotor wash, or any sign of visible control surfaces like wings.

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As we started clockwise towards the object, my Wizzo and I decided to go down and take a closer look at the other aircraft staying and high-covered tubes were both us and the tic-tac.

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We proceeded around the circle about 90 degrees from the start of our descent, and the object suddenly shifted its longitudinal axis, aligned it with my aircraft, and then to climb.

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We continued down another 270 degrees, nose-low, where the tic-tac, or we consumed 270 degrees, and we went nose-low where the tic-tac would have been.

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Our altitude at this point was about 15,000 feet in the tic-tac, was about 12,000.

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As we pulled nose onto the object within about a half mile of it, it rapidly accelerated in front of us and disappeared.

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Our wingmen, roughly 8,000 feet above us, lost contact also.

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We immediately turned back to see where the white water was at, and it was gone also.

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So as you started to turn back towards the east, the controller came up and said, sir, you're not going to believe this, but that thing is at your cat point, roughly 60 miles away in less than a minute.

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You can calculate the speed.

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We returned an image, we were taking off our gear, we were talking to one of my crews, it was getting ready launch, we mentioned it to them, and they went out and luckily got the video that you see that 90 second video.

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What you don't see is the radar tape that was never released, and we don't know where it's at, the act of jamming that the object could on an APG 73 radar, and I can get into modes later if you're interested.

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What is shocking to us is that the incident was never investigated, none of my crew ever questioned, tapes were never taken, and after a couple days it turned into a great story with friends.

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It wasn't until 2009, until J. Stratton had contacted me to investigate.

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Unbeknownst all, he was part of the 8-Tip program in the Pentagon, led by Louis Alzando.

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There was an unofficial official report that came out that's now on the internet.

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Years later, I was contacted by the other pilot Alex Dietrich, and asked if I'd been contacted, and I said no, but I'm willing to talk.

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I was contacted by Mr. Alzando, and we talked for a short period of time, and he said we'd be in contact.

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A few weeks after that, I was made aware that Louis had left the Pentagon in protest, and joined forces with Tom DeLong, Chris Melon, Steve Justice, and others to form two stars Academy, and organization at Presti issue with leading industry experts and US government officials.

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They worked with Leslie Keane, who was present today, Ralph Luehnthal, and Helene Cooper to publish the articles in the New York Times 2017 New York Times.

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And it removed the stigma on the topic of UFOs, which is why we're here today.

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Those articles open the door for the government and public that cannot be closed.

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It has led to an interest from our elected officials, who are not focused on little green men, but figuring out where these craft are, where they from, the technology they possess, how do they operate?

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It also led to the Whistleblower Protection Act in the NDAA.

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There are multiple witnesses coming forward to say that have firsthand knowledge, and Mr. Grush just covered that.

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And it concerns me that there's no oversight from our elected officials on anything associated with our government processing or working on craft.

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Believe not from this world.

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This issue is not a full public disclosure that can under my national security, but it is about ensuring that our system of checks and balances works across all work done in the government using taxpayer funds.

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Relative to government programs, even unacknowledged wave programs, have some level of oversight by the appropriate committee members in the House and Senate.

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And this work that is said to be occurring from Whistleblower testimonies should not be exempt.

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In closing, I would like to say that to tick that object we engaged in 2004 was far superior to anything that we had on time, have today, or looking to develop in the next 10 years.

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If we in fact have programs that possess this technology and needs to have oversight from those people, that the citizens of this great country elected in office to represent what is best for the United States and best for the citizens, I thank you for your time.

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Thank you very much.

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His concern was that there was going to be a collision and his concern was literally with the pilots that they have some safety and security.

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Because the government saying this isn't happening and this is not going on, I mean it was just a genuine concern.

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And he's been brought into it because of what he'd seen.

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What did he see? Can you go through his testimony?

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I see you're asking me to remember too much. I was up on stage moving around pretty quick.

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Let's see.

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I can throw it all together.

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One of them there were hovering and they went out to them and then they'd seen them multiple times. Then they chased them.

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They both were pretty similar as far as that went down.

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I knew their testimony before they gave it.

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Obviously because I had researched them pretty well.

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All I wanted them to do was to get up there and just tell what they saw and show that they had nothing to gain from it.

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And yeah, I might be giving them a little credibility because I'm sure they'd taken some abuse over it.

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And you know in the tick the the tick tack videos of course because they're shaped like the candy.

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Was the interesting thing to me is that it didn't show a heat trail it went underwater.

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They followed them they chased them. I'd say they chased them they weren't really they had the capabilities of just smoking them if they needed.

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I mean they couldn't they couldn't keep up with them they went underwater at one point.

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And and they didn't lose any any speed at all they went underwater.

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Yeah they followed them and they went underwater and they came back out and if you just followed their natural trajectory big word for me.

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But if you follow their the movement they went and then they just they just came back up and just didn't even didn't even face them.

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Did they see them underwater?

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At one point and one of the things they could but they were using I forget which kind of infrared they were using to follow them.

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It wasn't infrared because it didn't show a heat signature. It was well I forget the terminology but it was you know I'd I'd watched those videos a hundred times before because every time I'm on TV they always show them.

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And you know and they keep saying they don't exist the government says they don't exist and yet.

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They do and and I'm pretty sure one of the people you we mentioned in the earlier segment might have had something to do with getting those out to the public.

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And so I would love to talk to that individual.

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I would like to make that connection kind of like please.

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I will try to make that connection but you know again I you know what I said in my opening statement was I don't I we're not going to bring a little green man in here we're not going to bring a flying saucer.

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All we're going to do is bring people out and have nothing to gain basically to get to stuff out there to the American public because they've been told so long this isn't happening it's not real.

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And these guys are going to tell you it's happened in all three of them pretty much did you know it just it was.

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It was almost surreal really because I kept you know my whole life I've and I watch those TV shows and I just makes me angry that they keep saying the government has this stuff or these people they won't allow them to speak and I got in a position where I can.

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Put it out there it was a little pretty satisfying for me just that we pulled it off and that.

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And you know and I and as I was they were talking a lot of the times they were talking I was the camera be on the am I can talk to members both sides the aisle.

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It encouraged them in their questioning of where they were going with this stuff and and so it it worked really well for all of us I think the whole committee really worked well.

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Let's move into Brian Graves testimony okay and what he what he wanted so Brian Graves also a naval pilot first hand account saw you a P. Do you remember his testimony specifically yeah yeah yeah.

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Hey interesting about his was he saw it compartmentalized it never talked about it I'll now recognize Mr. Graves for five minutes for your opening statement.

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Thank you chairman Groffman ranking member Garcia distinguished members of the House oversight subcommittee on national security represented Berchette and Luna.

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My name is Ryan fobs Graves and I'm a form F 18 pilot with a decade of service in the U.S. Navy including two deployments and operation and during freedom and operation and her resolve.

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I have experience advanced UAP first hand and I'm here to voice concerns of more than 30 commercial air crew and military veterans who have confided their similar encounters with me.

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Today I would like to highlight three critical issues that demand our action as we convene here UAP are in our airspace but they are grossly under reported these sightings are not rare or isolated they are routine military air crew and commercial pilots trained observers who's

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in the video is our classified as secret or above this level of secrecy not only impedes our understanding but fuel speculation and mistrust.

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In 2014 I was an F 18 FOXRA pilot in the Navy fighter attacks squadron 11 the Red Rippers and I was stationed at NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach.

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After upgrade remain to our jets radar systems we began detecting unknown objects operating in our airspace.

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At first we assumed they were radar errors but soon we began to correlate the radar tract with multiple onboard sensors including infrared systems eventually through visual ID.

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During a training mission in warning area whiskey 72 10 miles off the coast of Virginia Beach two F 18 super hornets were split by UAP.

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The object described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft and was estimated to be 5 to 15 feet in diameter.

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The mission commander terminated the flight immediately and returned base. Our squadron submitted a safety port but there was no official acknowledgement of the incident and no further mechanism to report the sightings.

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Soon these encounters became so frequent that air crew would discuss the risk of UAP as part of their regular pre-flight briefs.

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Recognizing the need for action and answers I found it Americans for safe aerospace. The organization has since become a haven for UAP witnesses who are previously unspoken due to the absence of a safe intake process.

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When 30 witnesses have come forward and almost 5,000 Americans have joined us in the fight for transparency at safe aerospace.org.

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The majority of witnesses are commercial pilots at majority major airlines. Often they are veterans with decades of flying experience.

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Pilots are reporting UAP altitudes that appear above them at 40,000 feet potentially in low earth orbit or in the gray zone below the carbon line.

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Making inexplainable maneuvers like right hand turns and retrograde orbits or J hooks. Sometimes these reports are recurring with numerous recent sightings north of Y and in the north of Atlantic.

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Other veterans are also coming forward to us regarding UAP encounters in our air space and oceans. The most compelling involve observations of UAP by multiple witnesses and sensor systems.

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I believe these accounts are only scratching the surface and more will share their experiences once it is safe to do so.

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In closing I recognize the skepticism surrounding this topic. If everyone can see the sensor and video data I witnessed our national conversation which changed.

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I urge us to put a side stigma and address the security and safety issue of this topic represents. If UAP are foreign drones it is an urgent national security problem.

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If it is something else it is an issue for science. In either case an identified objects are concerned for flight safety. The American people deserve to know what is happening in our skies. It is long overdue. Thank you.

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It was leaked. They said it did not exist. Then it came out and they said it is a fake. Then I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but he had his audio. They heard him talking and they figured out who it was and they went to him and said that's me.

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No kid in that is how they found out. It was sort of in that line of what I understand. It might get changed around a little bit but what I understand is pretty much it.

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He had never intended to actually come out. He was going to just let this die.

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It was part of his duty and he did his duty and went on about his business. I mean that happened years ago. I don't believe he is even in the force anymore.

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They talked about how they were hovering and how they took off and at the speedy it was just we did the math and it would turn you and me into a blob.

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I believe that was one of the questions was could a human body even withstand it? It wasn't a gradual increase. It was gone.

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He was very compelling again. Why would he come back to endure any criticism over this thing when he just doing his duty?

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Those are the guys though that they get interrogated and after it's over with and they get a blemish on the record.

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That's two if we were to come out and just admit that this thing is going on as we covered it up and hear some proof we've got of it.

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They'd be clear.

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I think it was Ryan that his thing was blowback on pilots for coming out correct. How many of these pilots are getting?

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It sounds like this really affects these guys career if they come out and say I think it really does.

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I heard one of them say one time that they came back and everybody was you know they'd gotten some aluminum foil and made like a flying saucer and when he landed on the aircraft carrier they were you know and they were

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you know guys were walking around with antennas on their heads and stuff you know just making fun of them they all and they were just making fun of him.

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But at some point you know you're like what the heck this is going on this is real I saw what I saw and these people don't believe it for whatever reason.

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Do you remember both of them talking about the propulsion systems and how there was no sound no.

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Yeah no and I don't know if they said but I've been briefed or talked about before the heat signature is what they called it.

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It just didn't show it. It just it just defies everything we know that we we know currently and just the amount of power that it took was just beyond belief.

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Let's move into David Groosh. His testimony I mean you just had there's there was so many different aspects of the things that he had been involved in it was it was kind of

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I don't know if I remember correctly he never actually saw anything with his own two eyes it was all things that had happened on the program that he was a part of.

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Second hand yeah you know what's told about and he debriefed people on I believe and along that line yeah.

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But to me personally it was the most I can't really say in depth because it was so vague it was I got to tell you about this and a skiff I got to tell you about that and a skiff I can't answer this question less it's an a skiff.

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But I guess I'll just say this it was the one that caught my intention the most.

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I'm going to say that's an important issue and I'm grateful for your time. My name is David Charles grush I was an intelligence officer for 14 years in the both in the US Air Force both active duty international garden reserve at the rank of major and most recently from 2021 to 2025 or just be 2023.

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I was a national geospatial intelligence agency NGA at the GS 15 civilian level which is the military equivalent of a full bird kernel.

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I was my agency's co lead and unidentified anomalous phenomena and transmedia object analysis as well as reporting to the UAP task force UAPTF and eventually once it was established the all domain anomaly resolution office arrow.

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So I guess I can open the door a little bit lower through APPD 19 urgent concern filing in May 2022 with the intelligence community inspector general.

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Following concerning reports from multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former military and intelligence community individual that the U.S. government is operating with secrecy above congressional oversight with regards to UAP's.

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based on information I've been given by individuals with a long standing track record of legitimacy

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and service to this country.

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Many of whom also have shared compelling evidence in the form of photography, official documentation,

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and classified oral testimony to myself and many of my various colleagues.

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I have taken every step I can to collaborate this evidence over a period of four years

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while I was with the UAP Task Force and do my due diligence on the individual sharing it.

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This is because of these steps I believe strongly in the importance of bringing this information

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before you.

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I am driven by a commitment of both to truth and transparency, rooted in our inherent

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duty to uphold the United States Constitution and protect the American people.

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I'm asking Congress to hold our government to this standard and thoroughly investigate

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these claims.

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But as I stand here under oath now, I am speaking to the facts as I have been told them.

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In the U.S. Air Force, in my National Reconnaissance Office, NRO, Reservous Capacity, I was a member

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of the UAP Task Force from 2019 to 2021.

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I served at the Interro Operations Center on the Director's Briefing Staff, which included

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the coordination of the Presidential Daily Brief and supporting variety of contingency operations,

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which I was the Reserve Intelligence Division Chief back up.

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In 2019, the UAP Task Force Director asked me to identify all special access programs

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and controlled access programs, also known as Saps and Caps.

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We needed to satisfy our Congressional mandate admission and we were direct report at the

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time to the Depth Sec Def.

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At the time, due to my extensive executive level intelligence support duties, I was cleared

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to literally all relevant compartments in a position of extreme trust, both in my military

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and civilian capacities.

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I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval

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and reverse engineering program, to which I was denied access to those additional

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radons when I requested it.

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I made the decision based on the data I collected to report this information to my

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superior and multiple inspectors general and in effect becoming a whistleblower.

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As you know, I've suffered retaliation for my decision, but I am hopeful that my actions

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will ultimately lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency.

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Thank you and I'm happy to answer your questions.

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I'd say I've caught the country's attention the most and I said if you discredited him

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or if he comes out and says, you're the liar, we still got these two pilots.

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I just think that I know Grush, known him for some time.

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We talk, we text frequently or whatever and he's very interesting guy.

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He's put into a tough situation and again, why would you come out with all that?

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Because you know he's going to get humiliated publicly.

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Could you go through some of the stuff that he disclosed?

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Bodies, there are bodies, there are craft, and that went along with my line of questioning.

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They're my questions for kind of leading because I knew the answer, but I wanted them to

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say it that they, we know this stuff's out there, somebody has it and how they keep

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it from us because the next thing will be, well why didn't somebody come out with it

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then?

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Because the people that have it that are looking at it probably right now don't know

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what the Hector looking at.

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He was talking about reverse engineering crafts.

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That's right.

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Where was he saying these crafts came from?

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Where did we recover them?

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Some are archaeological from what, now could be putting conversations that I've had versus

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the committee because you got to realize I've been, you don't know.

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I've been in so much of these meetings and people call me and then I get information

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and talk to these guys or text them or whatever.

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But some of them are archaeological and digs that people have found.

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Some of them are craft that have crashed recently that have just been covered up, but there's

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kind of a cut off I think because of the technology.

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That leads me back to that electro whatever radio that we think maybe caused them some difficulty

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and it caused some of these crashes and that our technology has moved past that now.

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So you're probably not seeing those type of crafts, those crashes happening if they are

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happening at all because we've moved past the technology that we were using in the 40s

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and 50s and 60s and maybe in the 70s.

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But it's not transistors anymore obviously.

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So it was previous technology that was causing these things to crash?

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I think what technology?

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It was a radio technology, some kind of radio technology we were using and maybe in some

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of our radars and things like that that we no longer use and I apologize.

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I can't even remember the name of it.

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I should have read up on it again, but it was I was told that by somebody pretty informed

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that it thought that that was probably the reason that all of a sudden that it started

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and then all of a sudden it sort of stopped because after we quit using that kind of technology,

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it quit.

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Apparently it would not, I don't know shortening it out is the right thing because I don't

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know what they're using.

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Yeah, but apparently it's what it did was it would lock them up kind of.

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Maybe offline, did he ever talk about how long it may have taken to reverse engineer

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some of these crafts?

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Offline like me and you talk offline or offline, I talk offline with them.

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Offline with them.

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Oh, yeah.

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I said a lot of it were not, we're still not even in the ballpark or hardly scratching

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the surface.

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Again, it goes back to my, taking my Harley Davison back to the people on the Mayflower

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Yeah, kind of thing and we're the people on the Mayflower.

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Yeah, because this technology is so advanced so far past us that we don't even, it's just

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hard for us to comprehend.

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How about he also talked about recovering nonhuman biologics?

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Yeah, bodies is what, and of course, if the craft got here, somebody had to fly them

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at some point.

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How do they do that?

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I don't know.

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If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots

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who piloted this craft?

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As I've stated publicly already in my news nation interview, biologics came with some of these

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recoveries.

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Yeah.

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Were they, I guess, human or nonhuman biologics?

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Nonhuman and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I

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talked to that are currently still on the program.

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What was this documentary or evidence?

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Is video photos eyewitness?

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How would that be determined?

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The specific documentation I would have to talk to you and skip about.

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I mean, not necessarily.

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We're doing drones.

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Yeah, we're doing drones.

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That's correct.

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That's correct.

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And maybe that's why some of them do some of them don't.

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But I would think at some point, we would, some kind of, you know, you look at the

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higher glyphics and things and some people have mentioned that there is, you know, that

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there would, well, I know one of them told me that I referred to earlier told me that

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there was like a, it wouldn't call it core tolls, but it was obviously something of viewing

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type situation where they could see out of it, the craft.

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That was in the, maybe the Mediterranean, I believe they were at the time in the Navy.

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And they, they're in the craft slowed down over them that they could see when it was,

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before it got to them, or when it's pulling out or whatever, they could see that it was,

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there was obviously some kind of viewing apparatus in it.

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So, but yeah, I don't know.

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I don't, I don't get to hung up on all that.

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I just, like I said, I, my thing is, is, is, is that they can

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continue to hide this.

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They've, they've, how can we trust the government that said they didn't exist?

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And then all of a sudden they say they do exist.

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And we're supposed to fund them to study it.

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I just think it's, you know, trickle stuff out and keep that hook out there and we'll

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just keep biting it.

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Yeah.

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Because that's human nature, you know, and it's going to, but they know they got to.

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I mean, what is the first time that you've heard that we've recovered non-human biologics?

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It obviously wasn't in the hearing.

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Yeah.

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Um, I don't know a couple of years ago.

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What was your reaction?

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Not surprised.

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I mean, I'm not surprised to anything anymore, man.

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I just, every time this, just go back to my statement about every night, I go, well,

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tonight I'll go out and look at those stars.

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Every night, the light from that left for the time of Christ.

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I mean, that's, that's incredible.

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That's over 2000 years ago, dude, that light left that.

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And some of these stars we're seeing have imploded.

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They're already gone.

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They're already gone and we're seeing the light from them just now.

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We're looking back in time.

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Right.

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Right.

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It's too much to me.

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I can't really, in my little West Knoxville mind, it's too much for me to comprehend.

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Yeah.

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And that's why I don't get too caught up in all of it.

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I don't, I don't really pick the sides on this thing.

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Yeah.

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And when I, and, and, and it's hard for me to recall specifics, a lot of the specifics

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in it because honestly, I was so tired and so worn out when that committee finally

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wore, rolled around because we were so, we were just every row block.

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I mean, it's just, it was just weary almost and they just wore us down.

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And that was part of the intention.

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I think they thought we'd throw in the tile, but we didn't.

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And it just got bigger and bigger.

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And by the end of that, I was, I was running on fumes pretty much when the committee rolled

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around.

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I was just glad everybody got their questions asked and we got it documented.

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What was the most compelling portion of all through these testimonies for you personally?

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Uh, got stuck out the most.

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I don't know because honestly, I, I've been reading about this in the study of this since

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I was, I was seven or eight years old.

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And I can, I've just, I've just, I've talked about it and I've talked to people so much.

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I think, I think the best part about it was just what I said in the final, final part

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of it.

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I just said, Mr. Chairman, I couldn't say something.

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I said, yeah, sure.

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I said, you know, I hope this allows you folks that have, you know, took ridicule your whole

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life over this thing to finally say, yes, somebody else believes what you're saying and that

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you don't, you know, you're not some pariah or something.

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You know, you're not crazy.

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Yeah.

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That you've, you've seen something and we're going to try to get to the bottom of it.

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I don't know if I will or not.

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I think, you know, they're going to keep throwing up roadblocks and giving me one more

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committee.

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You know, amazing.

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We got to take time in government to make government bring out stuff that they have.

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Yeah.

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And they won't, they still won't do it.

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Yeah.

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It is very frustrating.

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And I said, you know, America, America's one third pieces and 30 minutes or less and

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that's, that's about our dad gum attention span and I'm 100% guilty of that.

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Yeah.

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They run out the clock on this thing though.

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You know, there'll be another shiny object over here.

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We'll be chasing and move on to something else they think.

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I'm going to keep pushing at it.

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I don't know how much longer I can keep Congress involved in it.

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Yeah.

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Well, I think we're saying that in just about every, every issue that gets brought up is

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we're just taking the can down the road.

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You know, and it goes away.

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It's a great, you know, it's, it does.

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It's a great, it's a great deal for them because, you know, people in, in the swamp,

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because they know they can just move on to the next one.

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Yeah.

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It does work.

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I mean, saw what the Afghan will draw recently.

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Somebody's talking about that anymore.

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We saw with all kinds of stuff that's happening.

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You know, he's talking about your cocaine at the White House.

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Nobody's talking about all these other things.

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You know, they're still, every day I'm getting a call on UFOs.

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Yeah.

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Nobody's talking about the Epstein stuff.

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Who?

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Yeah, actually.

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That's the biggest cover up above.

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I mean, you know, that, you know, they, and they spend a whole lot of time trashing, you

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know, the movie about, I'm about to, you know, the, about the kids being abducted and

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stuff and how it doesn't exist, it doesn't happen.

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You know, every day there's a, somebody's breaking a new ring.

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Well, I don't care if it's, you know, coming from on higher or some trailer park somewhere,

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you know, I, I want to definitely hide.

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And some that they pulled my interview with Jim Kovizel down.

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I just woke up one morning and was gone.

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I do not doubt that.

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And he was the main actor in that movie.

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But you know, back to graves, it was, I mean, there was one of the big subject matters in

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the, in the hearing was, was government intimidation, blowback from coming out.

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And then almost right after that, they leaked that Gruj had PTSD medical information.

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It's record to try to discredit them.

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Now as I was told straight from the intelligence community, they held onto that and they

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leaked it to this, I mean, it wasn't even a mainline reporter.

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I don't think anybody else would touch it.

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Yeah.

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You know, I mean, he got the scoop and that's what reporters do.

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But it was, you know, they were holding onto that one.

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Yeah.

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Well, what happened after that, after that hearing?

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A lot of what Gruj had to say or Gruj had to say was, I want to talk to you in a skiff.

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I want to, did you guys ever get the skiff?

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Did you ever get the never did?

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You never got the skiff.

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What's holding that up?

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Well, I suspect somebody's got somebody's ear and leadership.

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And the, again, the intelligence committee slash community, they didn't like what we did.

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They didn't like us.

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Is that the committee in Congress or at the Senate?

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Well, there's one in both, but the intelligence committee in the house didn't want it.

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And you know, there's all these rivalries.

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And it's just, it just happens.

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I mean, it's just human nature, dude.

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I don't, you know, they're all my friends.

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But, you know, we touched a narrative.

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We really did.

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I feel like some people, you know, they said this stuff doesn't exist and they made fun of it.

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And then leading all three stations, I mean, you know, ABC, MCBS, CNN, Fox, you name it.

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Newsmax, OEN.

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I mean, they just pounded it.

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And it's their ratings have gone through the roof.

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And I knew that it had,

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that somebody was reading the polling data when Fox started calling.

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Because it just was, it was just everywhere.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, I'd go to a high school football game or something and I, and tell anybody one talk about.

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Church Parking Lot.

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All they wouldn't talk about.

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It was, and I guess looking back at almost surreal,

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really, because it was, it was pure, man, it was, it was pretty cool.

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Do you think a lot of these people that have commented to you under the table on good job?

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Thanks for covering this.

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You think they saw the notoriety?

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You think they saw some of them to it who's, and they just want to more press.

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That's why they want to bump me.

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They want it.

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That's why we're not probably part of the reason we're not getting a select committee.

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And, you know, I just,

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that's, that's just part of the game.

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Do you talk to the Senate committee at all?

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Oddly enough, all those UFO people in the Senate that talk UFOs,

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a couple of them I'm trying to have meetings with and they've canceled the meetings.

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Really?

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Yeah. Before all this even happened.

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And, oh, yeah, we'll meet with you.

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Interesting.

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And they cancel it.

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And I don't, they never reschedule.

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I've been trying like hell to get Marco Rubio in here to talk about it.

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Asking why he canceled the meeting with me.

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I will.

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I will.

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I will.

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If I get them in here, I'll ask them that.

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But, um,

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I'd probably say who?

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Yeah.

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But where do you,

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I get into staffers, they got too much control in their running the show.

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Yeah.

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What's coming next in Congress?

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With this issue?

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Yeah, with this issue.

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Yeah, I will have another committee.

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And what I'd like to bring in is, is some department people.

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I want to discuss too much about it because they'll, they'll end run me again.

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But, um, we've got some pretty informed people that want to come in and talk about what's

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going on in their departments or what went on after when they were there.

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And, um, and maybe issues, hopefully issue some subpoenas.

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Get some real information.

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Just put it in the skiff.

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It's just, it's, it's too edgy.

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You got to ask to be leaked out about the press and then, then, then you can talk about

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it allegedly.

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I don't know.

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It's just ridiculous.

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And they do what?

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Too much right to.

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Well, it's that way on purpose.

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Yeah.

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Keeps the powerful in power.

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And they're the ones who make the rules.

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And how do you get to that much power?

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You know, you, you got to be there for a while.

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You got to sell yourself.

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Yeah.

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Do you know when the next hearing is going to be?

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Not yet.

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We'd like to have it pretty soon now.

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I'd like to have it for the end of the year.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Well, I'd love to get out there for it.

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When I get a date, we'll get it to you.

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All right.

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You'll be like first on my call list as far as you know.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You'll be sitting there with a bunch of people and go, yeah, Tim Berkson said he's going

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to call me for, he called me first.

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I'll jockey for my seed right behind the table.

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Yeah.

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But we'll get that worked out.

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All right.

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One more subject before we wrap this up.

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Zero point energy.

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Right.

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I love talking about this subject.

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What's your opinion on it?

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I think it's reality.

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I just don't think we've got it.

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We got that genie in the bottle just yet.

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Or if we do, they're not putting it out because it would put them all out of business.

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And we wouldn't have these wars.

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Imagine all that energy we spend on energy.

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I mean, not like energy is in, you know, nuclear or anything like that.

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All that energy brain width.

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We spend on all this stuff and all these wars, all these people that die.

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We wouldn't need it.

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We wouldn't need it.

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Imagine this world just united behind something.

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I don't think they ever will.

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But if they limited what we would be fighting for.

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We'll be backtracked.

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Just real quick for the audience.

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And so zero point energy is basically technology that enables energy to be free.

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That means no more utilities, no more fossil fuels, no more any of that stuff.

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Everything is just powered by energy that is free.

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And supposedly Nikola Tesla figured this out a long time ago.

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And look what happened to him.

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Yeah, the conference gated all of his research.

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Die then alone in a motel or broken.

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Guy that invented the hydrocar mysteriously dead.

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Yeah.

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In a knife fight.

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In a like it was farmed.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All about it.

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So you think zero point, you think zero point energies might be real.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you look at, you know, these just say, well, they can't make not fake diamonds.

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Well, they're making fake diamonds.

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And everybody that does it gets bought out.

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I mean, I've seen, seen well sourced media programs on these fake diamonds, you know,

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that going to put the beers out of business and all this other stuff.

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And we're finding out these so called rare earth minerals.

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Well, guess what?

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They're not that rare.

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No.

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They're around and we've just created all these bogus environmental rules to keep us from

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getting them or, and then certain areas are allowed to get them.

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A lot of the people said that that was the biggest marketing scam ever.

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What's that?

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The diamond.

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Oh, the diamond, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Because they allow a certain amount to go out through their brokers, through their markets,

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through their market tiers.

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And it's basically, I think, the beers is the major controller of them.

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Yes, it is.

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So zero point energy, who do you think holds the technology?

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I don't know.

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It have to be, we mentioned the industrial war complex, these multinational corporations.

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Do you think it's Lockheed?

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I think they have.

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They got some, they had to have, they had to have input in it.

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You know, they got, they control it.

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But yet, you know, they're still developing their jet engines and everything else through

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the process.

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But they, because that, that's, keeps, they keeps their money.

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Once that, once that zero point comes out, it just, they're all out.

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Yeah.

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So, I feel like if they have it, they're holding on to it to keep us from getting it.

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Interesting.

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Well, Tim, I can rather spend a pleasure.

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I appreciate the time.

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It was an honor to have you here.

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I can't wait for the next hearing and, and we'll be watching.

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Look, how can people support you?

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Well, you follow me on Twitter at TimBarchit.

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I don't think it'd be appropriate for me to ask for anything campaign related since

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we're talking stuff.

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So we, you can just Google all that if you want.

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But I, all right.

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But I appreciate it.

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You know, I've been, I've been very fortunate in life.

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I never had money.

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Mom and daddy never did.

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Just hardworking people and put themselves through school and fought in the war and all

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that.

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You know, I've just been, I've had good health and good people around me.

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And I, you know, I just, I just knock on doors.

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When I run for office, I don't know, you don't, I'm not the big media guy.

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And have a buddy of mine calls me every Sunday, usually with bad news.

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He always, he sort of trades off information, but he told me one week, he said, you know,

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you're the, you're probably one of the poorest guys in Congress.

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And I said, well, I appreciate that.

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Next week, he calls me back and goes, yeah, I did some checking.

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You are the poorest guy from Tennessee, from Tennessee in Congress.

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And I said, well, I really appreciate that.

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I mean, you know, we get a great salary, but it, it's kind of funny.

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It's just, it is a very much a rich man's game.

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And the, for a system that allows, you know, the Tim merchants, the world to run for office

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and hold, you know, like I say, every night, every night, I walk out and look at that dome

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up the Capitol.

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I think, wow, Charlie and George merchants, baby boys, United States Congressmen.

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And, uh, Mama didn't even have electricity.

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She was senior in high school.

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As I told you, her brother got killed fighting the Nazis and she flew an airplane there

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in a second.

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Well, we're daddy fought in the Pacific against, uh, on Pellaloo and Okinawa.

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And they went to China after the war and fought the Communist.

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And then he worked, worked at University of Tennessee for over 40 years.

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Got a brother and sister and they're both good looking and great athletes.

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Very smart.

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I was, I didn't get any of those attributes.

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I just got lucky and got in the right place and married a beautiful woman and got a great

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daughter out of the deal.

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And I'm just very fortunate that, you know, my wife will say, I said, baby, about this

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Congress thing we were talking about running.

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She said, honey, I got this, which meant she got the home front.

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So she does a good job too.

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So thank you, brother.

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I appreciate you letting me be on.

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It's been a, been an honor and thank you for everything you've done for our country

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and you're continuing to do.

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And I'm just, brother, we don't get to treat out there to folks.

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It's not going to happen.

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It's my pleasure.

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And thank you, thank you for being here.

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And I want to say, you know, I got some friends over there in Congress.

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You're one of them.

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And Ela Cranes, one of them got a couple others and I just want to say, you know, I never

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realized how hard it is for you guys to get a real voice.

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And this was a, an important, but more of a fun interview.

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I know there's a lot of other topics and concerns and issues and problems and just all kinds

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of stuff going on within our government and our country right now.

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And so I just want to, I just want to offer it to you.

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If you ever need a platform, you know, where you need to get some word out because the

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media isn't covering it.

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You got home right here.

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Thank you, brother.

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I appreciate you.

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So keep up the good fight.

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Thank you.

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Right here.

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