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Mr. Chairman, Raking Members in Congressman. Thank you. I'm happy to be here. This is an important issue and I'm grateful for your time.
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My name is David Charles Grush. I was an intelligence officer for 14 years.
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In July 2023, a bomb shell congressional hearing made waves around the world.
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I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP
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crash retrieval and reverse engineering program. But what investigative journalist has
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been sounding the alarm on UFO secrets for decades? I think it is a hugely
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significant moment and I never thought I would see it in my lifetime.
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George Nav joins us now with the UFOs, the best evidence, George. There are many
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unanswered questions about UFO speculation about some longstanding government
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cover. I'm his tough for many people. The swallow. You got photos, you got movie footage, you got video.
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There is some kind of a phenomenon here that gets us be written off.
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I've always approached it as a news story. It's not my religion, it's not a belief. I don't know what to believe even now.
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Now news nation is bringing you unprecedented access to the files of George Nav.
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I have secret stashes and files and things all over the station. Mountains of evidence compiled from the government's own files.
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No one who knew area 51 from the inside ever talked publicly. Well there's several, actually nine flying thoughts.
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They have between 30 and 50 alien bodies. The government has been telling us for years that they're not real.
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And how his life's work still influences the conversations on UFOs. It is true. It would be the biggest story in history.
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36 years later, I'm still trying to figure it out.
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We're in Vegas. We're on the strip. We're on our way to meet George. He's finally agreed to meet with us.
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It took a long time because he's very busy. He says he gets multiple interview requests per day.
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But he's finally going to sit down with us at the TV station where he's worked for decades.
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So this has been my office amazingly. They've let me keep it all these years.
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And I have secret stashes and files and things all over the station because I'm a packer out. I keep everything.
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This is where a lot of the, a lot of the stories that we did were created. All these things that have come out over the last couple of years started right here.
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What brought you to Vegas? I flipped a coin.
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I was living in Northern California. I had been the debate coach at UC Berkeley.
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I was tired of being broke. I knew I had to do something and I met these crazy bartenders from Las Vegas.
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And they told me about the town. They said, hey, you can write, you're a speaker. We know a guy in television. You can get a job there. So I moved here.
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We've done so many stories. You know, when I moved to Las Vegas, I didn't know there was an area 51.
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I didn't know there was a Nevada test site, the most nuked place in the world.
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This is the center, the heart of the nuclear testing where all these, all these big holes that's caused by nuclear bombs.
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And those bombs became tourist attractions by themselves. But all those brainy acts and scientists and engineers who amassed in Las Vegas at the same time the mob was here and show girls it was a really interesting historical time.
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The wide variety and array of top name entertainment is really what sets Las Vegas apart from anywhere else.
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I met this bartender who was a mob guy and he says, you want to drive a cab?
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So I was the worst cab driver in the history of the world. I didn't know where anything was. And during the same time, KLVX hired me as a part-time production assistant.
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At a night when I finished the cab driving shift, I'd go over to this nightclub, which was called The Oz, and all the mob guys were there.
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All the mob guys from the movie Casino would be there on a regular basis. And I got to know them.
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Back to KLVX, I would toil there, do whatever jobs they asked. About two months later, their anchor man quit.
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And they had open auditions to be the anchor of their newscast. I replied and I got it. And suddenly, less than a year in Las Vegas, I'm anchoring two newscasts.
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And it was crazy. It could never happen again. And within a year of doing that, KLVX, Bob Stodall, and a guy named Ned Day, took notice of me invited me to come over and I've been here ever since.
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And in those days, we all did mob stories. Like it or not, organized crime as part of our city's heritage. Mob money and mafia muscle put Las Vegas on the map.
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There was so much going on. Every day was a bust, a gaming control board hearing, a trial. There was always something going on because it was the start of the push to get rid of them.
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Sink commission has issued an emergency order pursuant to Nevada law effective immediately upon service, suspending the license of the Aladdin Hotel.
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And of course, because I already knew these guys, I not only had access to law enforcement, but I could talk to the mob guys. And it was really helpful to me in those former days.
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Again, like before the internet was big. I mean, was it all just files, paper? Sure. These are mostly crime stories. Cold gauge burn.
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Would you do a style for every story or what was your system? Yeah. People would mail you stuff or I mean people would mail me stuff. Almost every day.
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People send me little stuff and make me homemade saucers out of tin foil. That's the stickers we had made up when mystery wire was first created in my cranky old face there.
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This was sort of my little nerve center for a long time. So you were a popular news anchor, popular investigative reporter.
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How did this UFO thing suddenly come into your life? It was really a quirk. Ned Day and Bob Stodall had broken a really big national story.
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They had information about a secret plane out in the Nevada desert. And it was invisible to radar. That's what our sources had said.
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George Napsource was this man, John Lear, famed aviator, son of the founder of the Lear jet and soon to be influential in the conversation on UFOs.
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Thanks for being here. Okay, George. To begin with, you're a pilot, an airline pilot captain. You hope have held 17 different world speed records at one time or another.
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You're a member of the famous Lear family that all the vatins are pretty much familiar with his father had developed the Lear jet and he had a passion for secret planes.
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So he and a group of people, they called them the interceptors would go out into the Nevada desert and would sit outside of Area 51, the Nevada test site to see what was flying around in the sky.
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You don't sound like the kind of guy who would get hooked up in something that a lot of people would say is a bunch of nonsense.
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Now it's just by coincidence that I got really interested this about two years ago. My father saw UFO and my brother did.
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And one day John Lear walks into the news station. This is in 1987 with a stack of documents, UFO documents. And he plops them on Ned Day's desk and he says, Ned, this is the biggest story you will ever cover in your life.
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It's about a cover up of massive proportions. You're going to become famous. You got to do this story, pushes the documents over and Ned starts reading him and he pushes the pile back and he tells Lear, this can't be true.
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If this was true, this UFO cover up, then I'd already know about it. He says, I'm Eve's dropping as I tend to do. And I said, Mr. Lear, let me take a look at that stuff.
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So I'll read through it and at the time I produced a little talk show.
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A half hour public affairs show called on the record.
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Hello and welcome to On the Record.
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And I went air on Saturday or Sunday morning at six or seven o'clock and I said, John, you want to do this show? And I put him on and I just let him go.
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I'll give you the bottom line. I'm not just selling. I want to hear your thesis.
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I'm just trying to sell a book and then trying to promote a lecture. This is based on what I've come across after intense research in the last year.
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And I have found out that the government has retrieved between 10 and 15, flat short flying saucers, three of which have been in perfect condition, one of which they tried to fly.
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They have between 30 and 50 alien bodies in cryogenic storage. We even have the name of the person whose job it is to show these bodies to the heads of state and the people who are authorized to see them. They represent at least five different civilizations.
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Okay, you mentioned the saucers and the bodies. Now, what kind of proof do you have that that is true? How do you know that?
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Well, let me take a look. Let me read to you first day what the Air Force says about the about the bodies.
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First of all, I'm going to read from the introductory space science volume to Department of Physics, United States Air Force.
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This is chapter 13, unidentified flying objects. Now, this is what the Air Force has the students at the Air Force Academy read.
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And it says the most commonly described alien is about three and a half feet tall. As a round head, arms reaching to her below his knees and is wearing the silvery space suit or coverles.
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It blew me away. It blew away our audience. I didn't know what to make of it really. And looking back on the tape of that show, I can see the expressions on my face is this for real. This guy making this stuff up, he's nuts.
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Coming up, opening the vault to decades of UFO bombshells. April 25, 1964 was the first official communication between our government and the aliens.
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I've had my life threatened by them, my wife's life threatened by them.
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Revelations. What we've learned this week is that the government is lied to us about UFOs. As with held information, as spied on UFO organizations and as discredited UFO witnesses.
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And steps the government may be taking to keep secrets. The military has been installing secret sensors on public land surrounding the base.
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There's your transmitter right there. Plus we set off to find Area 51 for ourselves.
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Well, they just turned off again. Welcome back UFOs. Are they real? We're talking with John Lear on the subject.
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The most commonly described alien is about three and a half feet tall and is wearing a silvery space suit or coverles.
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I can see the expressions on my face is this for real. This guy making this stuff up, he's nuts.
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I'm not looking this up. This is an air for you can pick out an Air Force physics book and read this stuff. And at the end of the chapter, they go on to say this leads us to believe in the unpleasant possibility of alien visitors to our planet or at least of alien controlled UFOs.
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Now the picture that we have of the of the big head that the Air Force describes.
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This picture was drawn by an army surgeon. These are one of the bodies that was recovered in the famous Roswell incident of 1947.
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Tell us about that. It was the first flying saucer that crashed and was recovered by the army.
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Originally the Roswell Army air base announced it had recovered a flying saucer from a ranch outside Roswell.
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The story made headlines around the world, but hours later higher up said no. It was a weather balloon.
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The pieces of the balloon were shown to reporters. Years later the officer who first visited the crash site, Major Jesse Marcel, confided that the weather balloon story was a cover up.
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One thing I was certain of being familiar with all our activities, that it was not a weather balloon, not an aircraft, not a missile. It was something else in which we didn't know what it was.
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What was shown to reporters wasn't what he found.
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The newsmen saw very little that picture, very small portion of it. And none of the important things like these members that had these hard lipsticks are marked as wrong.
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And while a child came in he told me not to say anything that he would have it.
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Since Marcel's admission scores of other witnesses have also surfaced.
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And one of the surgeons that was responsible for the autopsy drew that picture for the autopsy report.
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He said the government goes to great lengths, the Air Force in particular to discredit this kind of stuff. Where did this come from?
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How did you get that?
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That came from the private collection of Leonard Stringfield, who was one of the premier researchers. He worked for the Air Force in the early 50s in a secret project reporting UFOs.
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Then as a civilian he continued his private research and this is out of his collection.
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You think maybe it's a top secret area if the Air Force actually does have them. Maybe they got him here.
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I'm certain they do. Up at the test site there's a report that of the three that they got in perfectly good condition at least one is up at the test site and has flown.
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And one was being flown as of 1981.
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We mentioned at the top of the show that perhaps a breakthrough might be coming. Some of these people from MJ12 or from the project Blue Book or in on the government's research and we saw some of this stuff might be ready to talk.
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We got about a minute left. Why don't you tell me about that?
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It's our information that half part of MJ12 wants to release it part of it doesn't.
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We're hoping that we can do this but of course as researchers we're not aware of all the ramifications. We just know of what we're looking at.
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So we would like to see him release it but we really don't know if they are.
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Okay John Learve has been very interesting. You keep us posted.
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Sure well. Thank you. We'll see you next week with more of on the record.
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And as soon as that aired I started getting calls and I didn't stop. What was the deal on that guy? Is that for real? Do you have any more information? Are you going to do that again?
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I realize this topic touches the pulse of the public in a way that I did not understand it did not appreciate it at the time.
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I had him back on again the following year and in between I started reading about UFOs just trying to separate wheat from chaff.
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It's a gigantic learning curve and figuring out what makes sense and what's real is really hard.
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So I try to educate myself and get ready for that next Lear appearance and the response from the public was even bigger.
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Now on April 25th 1964 was the first official communication between our government and the aliens.
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Three saucers landed there by pre-arranged agreement. It was filmed by five high speed cameras, 68,000 feet of film.
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The reason we know this is because in 1972 when they were going to release the first information about UFOs to the public.
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A very knowledgeable writer, his name was Robert M. Emanager, was asked by the agency to write a documentary which he did.
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And they were going to release this thing and we had the old history of the UFOs and the last part of the documentary was the footage of the saucer landing.
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In 1973 when they were ready to go we had watergate and they were faced with two problems.
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Number one is they didn't think the public had handled two traumatic experiences at the same time.
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And number two they thought that the public would perceive this picture of aliens and spacecraft as a ploy by Nixon to divert the attention from watergate.
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The inevitable result of these charges has been to raise serious questions about the integrity of the White House itself.
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Before they showed it the documentary actually came out. It was narrated by Rod Surling but instead of the real footage they had drawings of these flying saucer landing and they said Rod Surling says,
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Let's look at an incident that might happen in the future or perhaps could have happened already.
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According to John Lear this is the only snippet of real UFO footage that aired in the documentary.
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You believe in part that the movie's ET close encounters of the third kind.
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We're not entirely just the creative products of some Hollywood director that maybe there's more to that.
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They were carefully guided by representatives from MJ12 who was this organization that is in charge of the cover up in order to get us ready for the release of the information that are indeed aliens.
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To prepare us that the idea of benevolent aliens from outer space has been to help us out.
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Unfortunately they're not so benevolent so they made probably one of the most disastrous mistakes when ET was put out.
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At that time was before we discovered what I call the double cross or the grand deception and they were trying to get us used to the benevolent little creatures but that isn't the case.
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I had him on a third time in 1988 and he hinted at the time that he met this guy who was trying to get hired at this place out in the Nevada desert and that he thought it was going to be a really big deal.
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John Lear's new friend not only knew what was going on out there he knew when and where to look to the skies.
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Good evening this is John Lear.
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In March 1989 he accompanied a small group to the outskirts of area 51 three Wednesday nights in a row they watched a glowing disc rise above the mountains over Papus dry lake.
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I didn't know I didn't know I kept doing the person who initiated the desert outing was a scientist who claimed he worked at Papus on flying saucers.
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That scientist was interviewed live on television in May 1989 from Lear's driveway.
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What George didn't know was that this would be even bigger than John Lear it turned out to change everything we know about the government and UFOs.
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Coming up the bombshell interview that opened the floodgates.
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What about aliens any of those up there grown like I really want to steer away from that right now.
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The phones go crazy I get pulled off the set the general manager comes back what the hell was that is this for real what did you just do.
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What was discovered out in the middle of the Nevada desert.
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By the way that's a very 51 out there.
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Oh is it yeah that's groom like that's Papus like.
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There's a movie right there a lot of people must have a friend with me.
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In the spring of 1989 I'm anchoring the five o'clock news and we would have a five minute nightly interview segment.
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A live interview with somebody on the set our guest on this particular day canceled at a last minute.
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I'm thinking who could we get to fill this I called up John Lear I said you said you had a guy who was going to work out there and maybe work on flying saucers in the desert.
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Can we talk to him I don't even know his name we put a silhouette we create a silhouette interview.
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He used a suit on him and out this story comes.
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Well there's several actually nine flying saucers flying this.
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That are out there of extraterrestrial origin and they're basically being dismantled some are well in various stages of completion built from other parts and they're being test blown and basically just analyzed.
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You say there's nine saucers how are those tests going as far as what as far as whether they're successful and that sort of thing.
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Well some of them are a hundred percent intact and operate perfectly.
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The other ones are being taken apart I was involved mainly in propulsion and the power source basically as far as I can remember about half of them do operate.
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And the other half are just been torn down basically to analyze the components going where did we get these saucers how did they come into the hands of the government.
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I have the slightest idea and you have to understand the information is very compartmentalized and I was only allowed information that pertained particularly to what I was involved in.
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But I mean couldn't our government have made them as opposed to getting them some alien beings.
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Totally impossible. The propulsion system is a gravity propulsion system the power source is an anti-matter reactor.
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This technology does not exist at all.
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We said well this is technology that we do not have. We were reverse engineering it and I didn't know what that meant. I'd never heard of it before.
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Taking it apart to figure out how it works and to see how we might either be able to duplicate the technology or defeat it if we had to fight against it.
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In fact one of the reasons that I'm going forward with this information it's not only a crime against the American people is a crime against the scientific community which I've been part of for some time or actively trying to duplicate these systems yet they are in existence now.
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And basically in the hands of the government.
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What would happen to you if the government learned that you were giving us this information?
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Anything could happen. I don't know. I haven't the slightest idea.
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You said you referred to getting into trouble. Have you had some repercussions already?
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Yeah I've been threatened with being charged with SB&AGE. I've had my life threatened by them, my wife's life threatened by them.
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I mean I don't know where else you can go from there.
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Will the government ever tell us about the testing and do the Soviets know about this?
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The Soviets were involved at some specific point. They were kicked out of the program rather abruptly.
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In the middle I don't know why that was or what happened. They're not very happy about it.
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And as far as them revealing it I'm sure they have every intention of claiming that all the technology was developed here and it was absolutely not.
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If the Soviets were kicked out of this testing program why wouldn't they tell us about this?
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I have no idea. They weren't allowed all the information. Apparently they had some and were basically trading with them.
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As far as whether they have disc or not I don't know. I don't even know if they had knowledge that we actually had any there.
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But they were involved at some extent and I don't know how much.
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What about aliens? Any of those up there? Grown like?
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I really want to steer away from that right now.
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Is the Star Wars program in any way related to what's going on up there?
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Some people believe that maybe we're building Star Wars for something other than the Soviets.
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This directly taps out of the Star Wars budget which is very hard to follow because it requires huge amounts of money.
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It taps out of a lot of other places too that would be very hard to track down but yes Star Wars is directly related to it.
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The United States Navy is the part of the government that really maintains control over that.
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Well we want to thank you for joining us. It's pretty interesting stuff you've got to say.
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More news in just a moment.
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I mean we couldn't get away with it now. We'd done no vetting at all. Had no business doing it.
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He tells me this story. The phones go crazy. I get pulled off the set and pulled into the news director's office.
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The general manager comes back. What the hell was that? Is this for real? What did you just do?
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I said look I don't know if it's real. I have no idea. We just wanted to do an interview but I'm going to find out.
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Coming up a concealed test site now exposed to the world.
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Since those stories tens of thousands of people have beaten a path out there to look around in the sky and see whatever is flying around.
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Wait until you see what else George uncovered at Area 51. Things the government didn't want exposed.
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And right here will be the time delay unit.
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Well there's several actually nine flying saucers flying disk that are out there of extraterrestrial origin.
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And he tells this story and out in the desert they built this facility into the side of the mountain.
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The sky is to look like desert. So it can be seen from the sky and in that facility he said where these nine hangers built side by side.
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And each one of those hangers was a flying saucer that came from somewhere else.
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So how do you know they're not ours? He said well this is technology that we do not have.
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Area 51. A now well known military base that is synonymous with UFOs.
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But it's still shrouded in mystery to this day with the exception of what George NAP uncovered there.
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The military now admits what the world already knew. It has a quote operating location near groom Lake.
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But the Pentagon says the base has no name.
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By denying the base has a name the defense department hoped to for stall a lawsuit filed on behalf of base workers.
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Workers who claim they were exposed to toxic chemicals while working at groom Lake.
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Despite official denials the common name for the base has always been Area 51.
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We recently found this 1967 government map which lists that name. Subsequent maps left the name blank.
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To those who suggest that Area 51 has been shut down or moved somewhere else there are a few points that are kind of tough to explain.
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The bus filled with employees it comes in and out of the base several times each day.
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It's still there all right still closely guarded but not much of a secret anymore.
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By the way that's Area 51 up there.
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Oh is it? Yeah. That's groom Lake. That's Papu's Lake.
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So where is it? Can you see it on a map at all? Any of the buildings or is this all pre?
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No you can see some of that right there.
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And that's the runway and those are some of the buildings from when that photo was taken.
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There is an entrance to Area 51 from here.
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And we've been up there to do stories on other matters.
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And the Department of Energy staff is always funny there is a saying just don't look that way.
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Just look this way. You're feeling like, oh of course I look that way.
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Area 51 is about 150 miles outside of Las Vegas.
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We're on our way there now on a highway actually called the extra terrestrial highway.
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And this is a route that George has taken dozens and dozens of times over his career.
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It's not exactly an easy place to find.
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You can't just google Area 51 and figure out where the entrances are.
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You sort of have to know what to go.
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Okay so we made it out here to Area 51.
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It is so eerie and quiet out here.
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We had to go down this long windy dirt road off the main drag, the extra terrestrial highway.
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To get out here to the entrance.
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You really cannot get very close behind me about a quarter of a mile.
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It's one of the guarded entrances. There's barbed wire. There's armed guards there.
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We're pretty sure that they definitely know we're here.
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Trip after trip through the Nevada desert.
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George Broadcasted the closest photos we've ever seen of Area 51.
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These photos never before shown in public are about as close as anyone will ever come to seeing what the place looks like again.
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The dry bed of groomed lake, corrugated metal buildings, a three mile long runway,
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and some highly sophisticated radar and detection equipment.
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It's been known by many names over the years, Dreamland, The Ranch, The Skunk Works.
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If ever there was a place to test a secret new technology, this is it.
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And that's exactly what's been done here for decades.
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Area 51 is where Francis Gary Powers and the other U2 pilots were trained in the 50s.
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And where the U2 itself was developed.
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The SR-71 spy planes that spotted Soviet missiles in Cuba in the early 60s were also developed at 51.
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51 is where stealth technology was nurtured, where star wars devices are still tested,
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and were all manner of CIA monkey business has been plotted and refined.
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The CIA built it for use in the U2 program.
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This is rare footage taken from groomed lake of some early tests.
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Current warning signs indicate it's an air force facility, but all branches of the military have used it,
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along with most major defense contractors.
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The common thread has always been EG and G, which has had the contract to operate the facility since the beginning.
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What goes on there today? Plenty.
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Highly placed sources say that base employs about 1800 people.
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One of their main missions is to evaluate Russian defense systems, equipment that's in the hands of unfriendly nations like Iran and Iraq.
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Another program at 51 is the stealth helicopter, although the technology isn't far along.
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As for flying saucers, the military admits it is built these unmanned craft.
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It may not be a coincidence that the air force's only unmanned aerial vehicle squadron is based at Nellis.
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Whatever is flying around out there still attracts visitors from all over the world.
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It's still newsworthy in Europe? Yes, yes.
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Also in Europe, at 51, is well known.
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And this is all closed off this whole area? Yeah, it's a secure facility.
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I mean, they would used to occasionally have tours out there, but it's been hard to get in there now.
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Do people sleep in the out there at all, or are they all community?
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They have a little town where people will stay for a short period of time.
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Our report set off a UFO stampede that is yet to diminish.
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Tens of thousands of people have tracked into the desert hoping to see a UFO,
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inspiring the extraterrestrial highway and creating a new industry for tiny Rachel,
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which has become a UFO merchandise center and a hub for saucer watchers.
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It probably peaked in 97 coinciding with the 50th anniversary of Rosswell,
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because we had media out here every day.
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The hype has been good to Rachel, but has given the military fits.
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Their secret base was no longer secret, and security officers had numerous run-ins over the years
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with over-exuberant alien hunters who crossed the line or came close to it.
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Base security resorted to high-tech spike-year, even low-flying choppers,
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to keep the saucer nuts out.
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There's really nothing out here. It's very, very remote surrounding Area 51
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that we've heard stories that people have actually found surveillance equipment in the brush out here.
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The only strange thing that we've seen is there's this black wire
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that runs all along the perimeter road outside the base.
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George first revealed the lengths the government appeared to be taking to keep Area 51 a guarded secret,
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profiling a citizen whistleblower on a mission to expose it.
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I found 31 or 32 of them so far.
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Retired astronomer and desert rat Chuck Clark has a new hobby.
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He's proud that hills and deserts link in county for several years now.
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Over the past few months, he's discovered the military has been installing secret sensors on public land surrounding the base.
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Using a frequency counter, he can tell when his vehicle is tripped to censor.
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When that happens, he looks for the hard-to-spot wire, a top-the-device.
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This is our sensor right here.
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Many digs them up, takes pictures and puts them back.
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There's your transmitter right there,
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and we'll come around here.
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And right here will be the time delay unit,
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and you'll see it's clearly marked US government property.
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Clark isn't a terrorist or spy, but is angered that hikers, four wheelers, or photographers,
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anyone who uses the backcountry is being monitored by the military on public land,
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miles from the boundary of the base, a boundary which is clearly marked by ominous signs.
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It's a little overkill in my opinion.
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They have about a 25-mile buffer zone out here, and it's all terrain like this.
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It gets rougher as you go.
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Why they have to put stuff outside the line, it really escapes me.
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During the ITEM's visit last week, two sensors were located,
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and base security wrote down the plate numbers of our vehicles.
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We returned five days ago and drove to the rear entrance of Area 51.
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Three days after our visit, FBI agents working with Air Force Intelligence
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and the Joint Terrorism Task Force raided Clark's home in Rachel,
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and seized photos, records, and his computer.
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Is it legal for anyone to touch military sensors hidden on public land?
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The government doesn't think so, although Clark hasn't been charged with anything.
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Is the military trying to silence this outbacked gadfly?
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They're sort of paranoid about this location, and I don't see why.
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After those stories, Area 51 was changed forever.
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It created so many headaches for the camo dudes and the people that patrol Area 51
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and try to keep the public out.
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The so-called camo dudes have assumed legendary status.
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Oddly, despite all the security headaches, the alien lore has seemingly been embraced
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by the military, base personnel, or regular customers at the alien.
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I let them come here and have a quiet time.
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I don't try and get into their own personal stuff.
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I don't want that, because if we started to pry, they'd back away.
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A lot of the patches and caps and things, you know, probably have to guys on the base out there have them.
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We know guys who work there that have come in and bought things to take out there
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because they don't have any official things.
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Since those stories, tens of thousands of people have beaten a path out there
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to look around in the sky and see whatever is flying around.
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UFOs or secret planes.
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Every major news organization in the world has beaten a path to Area 51's door.
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A lot of them made fun of me and fun of the whole alien scenario, but they've all been out there.
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It's one thing to make fun of us stories.
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Our stories about Area 51, but you've never been out there sitting in the desert night after night as we've done.
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You have an interview at the witnesses. You have a dodge in the security guards in coyotes and file the FOIA request.
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You haven't done it.
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Coming up retaliation against the Area 51 whistleblow.
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It's as if someone has made him disappear while they're trying to make me a non-person.
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And all these years later, what secrets does Area 51 still hold?
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Something's out there.
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We went to find out.
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I don't know why it's so dark.
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Despite the speculation, no one who knew Area 51 from the inside ever talked publicly about the saucer story.
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Well, there's several, actually nine flying saucers flying this.
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That are out there of extraterrestrial origin.
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He tells me the story.
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I mean, we couldn't get away with it now. We'd done no betting at all.
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I don't even know his name. I get pulled off the set and pulled into the news director's office.
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The general manager comes back. What the hell was that?
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Is this for real? What did you just do? I said, look, I don't know if it's real. I have no idea.
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We just wanted to do an interview, but I'm going to find out.
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The live interview with the shadowy Dennis drew international attention.
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I'm going to get out there.
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Actually nine flying saucers flying this.
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Despite numerous inquiries and feelers, Dennis has remained anonymous until now.
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So, doll, the news director and I arranged to meet this guy.
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We went up to Lear's house. It was sort of an uncomfortable situation in the beginning,
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because Lear wanted to control the whole thing. He wouldn't tell us the guy's name.
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But the guy had signed a guest book at the entrance to Lear's home.
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Sorry, I saw his name. I knew what it was.
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His real name is Robert Lazar.
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A young scientist with a clectic interest.
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The choice of Dennis was an inside joke. He says, that's the name of his superior at groom Lake.
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It wasn't a joke to Dennis.
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He called right after me and said, you have an idea what we're going to do to you now.
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And I said, well, no, I'm young up the phone.
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Lazar's story is by any standards, fantastic. He says he's telling it in order to protect himself.
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We go in there and we start talking to the guy who turned out to be Bob Lazar.
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He told us his life story where he'd gone to school, where he'd worked before,
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and some of what he had seen out there.
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He says he was hired to work at an area called S4, which is a few miles south of groom Lake.
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At S4, he says, are flying saucers, anti-matter reactors,
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and other working examples of technology that is seemingly beyond human capabilities.
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Right, this came from somewhere else. I mean, as a bizarre as that is to believe.
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But I mean, it's there. I saw it. I know what the current state of the art is.
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In physics, and it can't be done.
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After three or four hours of grilling them, we look at each other and go, hold me, crap.
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What if this is real? What if this is true? This would be the biggest story in history.
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But it's also perilous for us. If we go after it and it blows up in our face,
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it could destroy not only my reputation and his, but that of KLA-S2.
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Checking out Lazar's credentials proved to be a difficult task.
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He says he earned degrees in physics and electronics, but the schools we contacted say they've never heard of him.
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He also said he worked as a physicist at Los Alamos National Lab,
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where he experimented with one of the world's largest particle beam accelerators,
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a half mile long behemoth capable of generating 700 million bolts.
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Los Alamos officials told us they had no records of a Robert Lazar ever working there.
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They were either mistaken or were lying. A 1982 phone book from the lab lists Lazar,
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right there among the other scientists and technicians. A 1982 clipping from the Los Alamos newspaper
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profiled Lazar and his interest in jet cars. It too mentioned his employment at the lab as a physicist.
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We called Los Alamos again, an exasperated official told us he still had no records on Lazar.
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EG&G, which is where Lazar says he was interviewed for the job at S4, also has no records.
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It's as if someone has made him disappear.
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Oh, they're trying to make me a non-person.
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It explained. You called where?
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Well, the schools that I went to, the hospital that was born at,
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past job, and essentially nothing comes up with my name.
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He smiles, but out of futility, knowing the whole thing must sound ridiculous.
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I don't think there's any secret flying saucers at A-51.
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I suspect that there was something like that out there at one point because of people that I know have seen it.
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So where would they be now?
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Well, either they've moved them further out into the Nevada test site. If you're out there at night,
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you will see these pockets of light that pop up in the darkness at places that do not exist.
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Something's out there.
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After the sun goes down, it is a different vibe out here.
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It's almost totally pitch black. If we switch to the night vision, you can see better out here.
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I've never really experienced anything like that.
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There's no city lights. The military base, Area 51 is behind me. It's just wide open.
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The noises are interesting because it's obviously nature noises. You can hear the crickets.
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But then we've also heard military aircraft for the last probably hour or so.
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Obviously doing some kind of training missions, you can hear the planes flying overhead.
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You can't always see them. Sometimes there's flashing lights. Sometimes there's not.
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There's a movie right there that will help you see them on the sound of rain.
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There's also been some other lights that have popped up over the mountains and also in the brush.
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The light is turned off again.
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Oh, there's a plane.
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It's true. What I have seen is true.
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I don't know about the big story where they came from, what they're like.
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But certainly these crafts came from another planet, another solar system entirely.
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Extremely far away. And they're here.
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What we've learned this week is that the government has lied to us about UFOs, has withheld information,
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has spied on UFO organizations, and has discredited UFO witnesses.
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Now, none of this proves that UFOs are real, but it does indicate a disturbing level of interest, government interest, and the subject.
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If the government will tell us what it knows, what about science? Well, science is supposed to stand for the investigation of the unexplained, not the explanation of the uninvestigated.
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And so far, science has avoided the subject like a plague. It's like what Roy Neary, the main character in the film,
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Close Encounters, had to say, all we want to know is what's going on.
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36 years later, and we still don't know any answers to the big question.
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Next week, I want to tell you a story.
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It's about one of the adventures that we had. Something asked.
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Straight down out of the sky.
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What if this is real? What if this is true? This would be the biggest story in history.
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The evidence suggests we're being visited by some former intelligence.
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So they were definitely listening to me.
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They were listening to my phone.
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You can't imagine what pressure these people are under to cover this stuff out.
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You could feel it. The eyes are on you.
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This is serious. It's been serious for a long time, and it's been ignored for way too long.
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If you arrive, everyone has been lied to you.
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Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populist,
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which is extremely unethical and immoral.
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So you knew that the US government was funding a secret program.
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The keepers of the secrets are better at their job than people like us are at ours.
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And they're not going to let this thing go easily.
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They're not going to let this thing go easily.
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