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But while I was in the Air Force, I met Sargent's men who were older than me and had been in the Air Force for quite a while.
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Told me that they had participated in projects that had recovered, crashed, extraterrestrial craft, what you call UFOs.
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And they never told these stories unless they had had quite a bit to drink.
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So I never really believed it. I thought, well these guys are running a scam on me.
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Even though I had heard about these things when I was a kid, I just still didn't believe it.
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That there's just so far out in left field it's not something that you really give any serious thought to until something personal happens, which came later.
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Well, I left the Air Force. I went into the Navy, which is really where I wanted to be in the first place.
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I'd always had this tremendous feeling and connection with the ocean.
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That was an excellent swimmer. But I had a problem as a child. I had chronic motion sickness.
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If I got in a car and we went on a long trip, I got deathly ill and same with boats or anything.
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I couldn't ride on the things that the carnival that went around and around because it just made me tremendously ill.
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But I decided after I had gone through the Air Force experience that sick or not, you know, I was going to go in the Navy because that's really what I had wanted to do.
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So I did volunteer for submarine duty and was assigned the USS Tyru SS 416, which was a diesel electric boat, World War II type, that had been reconfigured.
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When I went on board the boat, it was in the dry dock at Pearl Harbor. It was shipyard and had literally been cut in half.
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They put in a 12 foot sonar section and then three domes on the deck for triangulating targets using sonar.
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And this was really one of the most up-to-date electronically submarines that we had.
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It wasn't a nuclear submarine, but as far as the ability to approach, get close to a target and destroy it, it had a better capacity to do that than any other boat that we had.
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While we were on a transit from the Portland Seattle area on the surface, I actually saw, I was the port lookout, and I saw the most incredible thing.
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And I think I've ever seen in my life. And it had such a profound effect upon my view of the universe and the world that we live in, that I wish everybody could experience this.
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I saw come up out of the ocean from beneath the surface of the sea a huge disc-shaped craft about the size of a midway class aircraft carrier, which is tremendous in size.
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Even though that's one of our smallest carriers, or was then, it's still a huge, tremendously big object.
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Came up out of the ocean and rose into the air and tumbled on its axis and went up into the clouds and I was awestruck, dumbstruck.
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And I mean dumbstruck literally, I could not utter a sound.
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And my first impulse was to tell the off to the deck that I'd seen a flying saucer and then luckily for me, I couldn't talk.
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Because on second thought, that's not what I really wanted to say.
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Because I didn't want to be the only loony tunes character on a submarine with a tight knit crew that you had to live close quarters with.
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Because that's a hell of a way to live.
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So I totally also decked that I'd seen something about 15 degrees off the port bow at a relative distance of about two and a half nautical miles.
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And he began to look in that area.
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And the starboard look out had heard me tell him this and he began to look over there.
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And while we were all three watching, either the same craft or another one exactly like it came down out of the clouds, tumbled again on its wide-dudged maneuver.
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I don't know, but every single time it did it.
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It's like it came down in this attitude and then it flipped over and then entered the water.
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And the water just appeared to open up in front of it.
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It's just like the count in the Bible about parting of the Red Sea.
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That's exactly what happened to see actually parted in this thing, put into the water and then closed up behind it.
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And this big spray went up into the air.
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But it wasn't a spray from the craft hitting the water. It was a spray from the water coming back in to fill up this hole that had been created.
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And again, you know, I'm thinking this is incredible.
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I feel, what are we looking at here?
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And it was metal. It was a machine.
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And it wasn't glowing or anything like that.
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It didn't have any lights on it that we could see.
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But it was obviously metal.
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And it was obviously a machine.
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And although I can't tell you that there was anyone inside of it, I believe that there was.
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And it did something that as far as I knew was absolutely impossible.
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I'd been in the air force. I'd worked on the state of the art of our aviation capabilities.
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And here I was on the deck of a submarine in the Conning Tower.
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And I knew what we had to be able to have to go underwater.
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And I knew that the two were incompatible.
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Here's something that came from under the water and flew in the air and performed maneuvers.
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And then came back down and interfaced with the water at tremendous speed and remained intact.
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Which realistically, it never touched the water.
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The water sort of magically opened up in front of it.
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But something had to interface with that water.
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Anything that we had that interfaced with the water in that manner would have been disintegrated.
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It's like hitting a brick wall.
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So I was looking at a technology that as far as our laws of physics and what we knew at that time didn't exist.
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And this was in 1966.
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And Ensign Ball was as shocked as I was.
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He called the captain to the bridge who came up with a chief quartermaster who brought a camera.
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And we all stood there and watched this occur over and over again for about 10 minutes.
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And I still to this day don't know if it was the same craft or a whole bunch of different craft going in and out of the water.
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But it seemed like that there was a hell of a lot of traffic on that freeway right there.
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And we were watching it as we went by.
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We never changed course.
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We never lowered or increased our speed.
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We made no attempt to communicate or signal.
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We made no attempt to get closer.
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And eventually it just stopped.
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We were told not to discuss it with anyone, not even amongst ourselves, which was incredible.
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I never had been told anything like that in my life.
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You know, you can't talk about something.
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And to be told that we couldn't even talk about it amongst ourselves was even more extraordinary, I thought.
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We didn't talk about it.
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When we got to Pearl Harbor all the time the chief quartermaster was taking pictures of this.
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So I know photographs were made.
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What happened to those photographs? I have no idea.
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But when we reached Pearl Harbor we were not allowed to go ashore to go on liberty, even though we didn't have the duty.
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And about two hours after we birth at the submarine base a commander from the Office of Naval Intelligence came on board.
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And debriefed each one of us individually in the captain's state room.
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And the ultimate outcome of the debriefing was that we didn't see anything.
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We didn't hear anything.
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And we had to read rules and regulations that told us that if we ever talked about what it was that we didn't see,
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that we could be imprisoned, we could be fined $10,000, we could lose all paying allowances, do whatever to become do.
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And I learned at that moment that the United States Navy didn't want anybody to know about what we saw.
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And that severe consequences could come down around the neck of anybody who did.
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And that was when I understood fully that, yeah, there's a real cover-up.
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These things do exist number one.
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And at least the United States Navy doesn't want anybody to know about it.
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And there's penalties for anybody who bucks that.
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