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No way connect with any secret department of the United States.
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Air Force called before a congressional committee.
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We have not been hiding anything.
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Usually sighting has been kept in the unidentified category.
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We've been perfectly willing to say that too.
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The Air Force is simply preaching to American people like children.
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They don't trust them with the facts.
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It was not anything from this Earth.
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All I could do is keep a mouth shut.
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We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence
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by the military and industrial complex.
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There are great ideas undiscovered.
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Breakthroughs available to those who can remove
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truth's protected layers.
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Yes, there have been ET visitation.
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There have been crashed crap.
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And there is some group of people somewhere that have this knowledge.
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Now the vehicle that you just described,
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how similar was it to the very first sighting that you had back in 1951?
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Basically the same plan for a vehicle.
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They were a double saucer, in take care.
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I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish
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if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.
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And yet I ask you, is not an alien force already amongst us?
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The US Navy is finally acknowledged that video is appearing to show UFOs flying through the air are real.
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We have nothing that goes that fast and just turns climbing at will.
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There's footage and records of objects in the skies
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that we don't know exactly what they are.
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We can't explain how they moved their trajectory.
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They did not have an easily explainable path.
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We've never opened up Roswell.
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Let us know what's really going on there.
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So many people ask me that question.
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I won't talk you about what I know about it.
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But it's very interesting.
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President Obama says that there is records of objects in the skies.
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These unidentified aerial phenomenon.
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And he says we don't know exactly what they are.
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What do you think that it is?
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I would ask him again.
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Apparently the military have hundreds of these encounters,
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but most of the time they keep it to themselves.
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And so a lot of these sightings are simply not reported.
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The floodgates could be open as now.
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The stigma is beginning to be removed.
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A former US intelligence official in Air Force veteran
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claims a top secret program is with holding
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evidence of alien spacecraft.
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Air Force veteran David Grush is exposing what he calls
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a top secret military program that has reportedly
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found wreckage of fully intact UFOs.
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Nonhuman, exotic origin, vehicles that
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would be the land that are crashed.
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We have spacecraft from another species.
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Congress this week holding its first hearing on UFOs
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in more than 50 years.
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We begin with a highly anticipated hearing on Capitol Hill
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about unidentified flying object.
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He is going to tell committee members
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that he has knowledge of a covert government program
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to recover crashed alien spacecraft.
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So long with the making, bro.
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So long with the making.
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Let's do a travel light, man.
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I'm going to run then.
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You haven't put a tie on and a suit jacket.
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All of that is in the bag.
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The large guy has the smell of suitcase.
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So how did I end up in a car with the UFO whistleblower
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testifying in front of Congress tomorrow?
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To let the world know that we're not alone.
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For that, we have to go back three years.
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We are found myself in the middle of a very bizarre experience
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that would push me to ask some of the most fundamental questions I've ever
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dared to ask about the nature of existence itself.
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In the fall of 2020, with no prior interest in the topic,
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I visited a small town in Massachusetts to talk to a number of people who had experienced
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a mass sighting of UFOs in September of 1969.
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Over 300 people from a few neighboring towns saw something in the sky that
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defied our known laws of physics.
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And it just hovered right there.
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But even more bizarre than that, dozens of children went missing that night and claimed to have
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ended up on board of a craft.
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And then the only thing I can remember after that was being levitated over the street.
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I had never felt more of an unsettling disconnection between my intuition and rational.
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On one hand, I felt an overwhelming sense of empathy towards these sincere humans
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who opened up to me about their traumatic events.
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And on the other hand, those events had no place in my construct of reality.
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Was I being liked to by dozens of people who had nothing to gain from this
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besides humiliation and judgment?
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Or is what I consider to be reality missing something?
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In the months that followed, I started gradually researching the phenomenon.
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I watched hundreds of witness testimonies from civilians and military personnel
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from all over the world.
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What really stood out to me was the fact that the majority of witnesses described
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similar details about what they experienced while unaware of each other's stories.
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And even though the mere mention of the subject has been systematically stigmatized,
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in recent years, things have changed quite a bit.
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The Navy says it still doesn't know what the objects are and officials are inspeculating.
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A Navy spokesman simply confirming to CNN the object seen in various clips
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are unidentified aerial phenomenon or UAPs.
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The public's interest in UFOs started rising after the New York Times published an article in 2017,
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which confirmed that there was indeed a secret Pentagon program studying UFOs after years of denying it.
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With more awareness on the issue came more pressure on the US government,
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which culminated in more demands for some serious answers on the UFO mystery.
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Then in June of this year, a debrief article and a news nation interview
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broke out about an American whistleblower who had some groundbreaking information
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to share with the world.
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To bring you a news nation exclusive interview,
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with a man we're calling the UFO whistleblower,
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David Grush is a career intelligence official who this week is making some bombshell claims
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of a US government cover-up going back nearly a century.
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The UAP task force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval program.
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When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean?
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These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles.
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The United States has spice craft, intact craft.
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That secret program's mandate was to find and retrieve crashed or landed UFOs
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in order to reverse engineer them for technology that the government can use.
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And since extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence,
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Dave was called to the stand to back up his claims under oath for the first time in US history.
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Okay, but how did they meet Dave in the first place?
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This is the man who connected the dots.
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Jesse Michaels and I met in 2022 due to our mutual interest in the phenomenon,
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and we've since gone on a few truth-seeking adventures together.
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He is one of the brightest and most well-read multidisciplinary thinkers I have ever met,
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and his curiosity on the subject has massively inspired me.
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Jesse and Dave had connected a year prior to the year,
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and just a few days before it was scheduled in DC,
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Jesse organized a call to introduce me to Dave,
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which by the end of it, I was convinced that his story had to be told,
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and not through the lens of a distorted news cycle,
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but rather a meaningful exploration of his story and motives as a human.
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On that same call, I took a shot on the dark and asked Dave
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if he would let us document his story as the congressional hearing unfolded.
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And to my complete surprise, he said yes.
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In fact, we were the only ones who had this type of access today during the hearing
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and the days that followed.
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I think it has been seeking discomfort.
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Yeah, I was going to say this is the ultimate seeking discomfort.
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It's not just seeking discomfort on an individual level to be in the place that here.
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And today it's also what you're telling to humanity is a moment of seeking discomfort.
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As an elected, how do you expect this to get out?
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I think there's been the people who have been kind of following this subject for years,
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and they might be a little bit of a let down because I can't necessarily say everything I know.
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You know, it's like, and I'm working on trying to get more things cleared for the hearing.
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Yeah, literally as I'm talking to the DOD security office,
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as I was getting off the plane, please get something approved by 10 AM,
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because I wanted to be able to provide more detail.
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There's like a certain thing where it's like, shouldn't it be the president saying this stuff?
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Like, I don't want to be the purveyor of disclosure because I don't have all the data.
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I'm not in that leadership position, and I, you know, I'm just trying to, you know,
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use a public pressure to kind of get the executive branch to make a decision on what to release.
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Yeah, all the checks I could possibly do, you know, within my, you know, kind of official capacity.
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Realized it was real, and then, uh, kind of during that investigation,
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you know, I had a lot of pushback that was very unfortunate, you know, reprisals against me and stuff.
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And, and that kind of what led me to file the whistleblower complaint,
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you know, A, for my own protection, but B, was to kind of sound the alarm.
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They tried to claim all these things against me, conduct wise, mental health,
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and all this other unfortunate stuff.
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I was in combat in Afghanistan 2013, you know, I was on a convoys outside the wire.
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I had a friend, I got blown up and all this other stuff, you know,
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baggage that I had for two, three years after coming back.
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And, you know, I got diagnosed with antipostromatic stress disorder.
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I got help, good to go, but there was an agency that tried to dig that back up and say,
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oh, Dave still has ongoing issues, unmitigated.
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We need to pose clearance.
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And then I had to show my medical records and be like, no, dude, I saw treatment.
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Still do, because that's what it just, and they tried to use that against me.
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You know, I spent basically two years fighting that battle,
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appealed it, won it, cleared of all allegations, and I stole my security clearance.
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It's been 20 minutes.
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I don't, I can't even begin to express, yeah, it's, I feel sad that he had to go through.
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Well, he had to go through to be able to, to simply share the truth.
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And for someone who has like served the country and sort that to be used against him,
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like it's weird, because it's both an exciting position to be hearing this stuff from,
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straight from him, but also like very sad to see what he went through to be in the place that he's in today.
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Hi, I'm Diana Missata.
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We begin with a highly anticipated hearing on Capitol Hill about unidentified flying objects or UFOs.
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Three men who previously served in the military are set to speak publicly about what they saw in the sky
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and heard behind closed doors.
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It is the day of the hearing.
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We've got people waiting in line for us, which means that we'll just go swap with them and be able to go into the hearing.
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The humidity's not too bad yet.
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I can't even see Jack get off until I get there.
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It looks amazing for him to have been rolled up in that bag.
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You got a full of tight.
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I used to go to the Pentagon a lot.
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I'd bring like a sweat rag with me in the summer.
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I'd like to go, you know, what's on the inner of the Pentagon?
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I'm like, like, like, my sweat off.
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How are you feeling?
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I told the little resties last night, then.
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I was told last night that they requested me to be cleared for a closed session after today.
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But the request was denied.
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So, that's like obvious obstruction.
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Yeah, hopefully I can make a difference.
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And, you know, I'm the guy that will inspire more people to go public.
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I just can't imagine that amount of pressure he's under right now.
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Like, coming out to say something that people in this government and other governments
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have wanted to be silenced for the past 70 to 80 years.
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Right now, we're going to go take our position in line because they're going to open in about an hour.
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He is going to tell committee members that he has knowledge through his work of a covert government program
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to recover crashed aliens spacecraft under penalty and projury before Congress.
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Those are the allegations that this whistleblower David Grush is going to make right through these doors right here.
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I'm actually actually first in line.
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But like the stunning has this 2 a.m.
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One night away from going in to what can actually be a pivotal moment for a committee.
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You see right now that there are people that are coming in.
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But we just got some news and what you're about to see is these doors close relatively quickly.
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And I think there you go.
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That may be all that there is.
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The reason that you just saw that is because we have this line here.
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You have another line around that corner, but they only have about six or seven available seats.
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You've got again hundreds of people waiting in line if not more than that.
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So what I'm told is there is going to be an overflow room right in that set up.
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So the interest is huge.
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Obviously, and we're seeing it for a standard.
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The subcommittee hearing on unidentified anomalous phenomena or UAPs will come to order.
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The UFO is emerging as a major topic of global importance.
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Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
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I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program.
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I made the decision based on the data I collected to report this information to my superior,
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superiors in multiple inspectors general and in effect becoming a whistleblower.
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During a training mission in warning area at Whiskey 72, 10 miles off the coast of Virginia Beach,
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two F-18 super hornets were split by UAP.
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The object described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft.
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Soon these encounters became so frequent that Eric who would discuss the risk of UAP as part of their regular pre-flight briefs.
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If you were me, where would you look?
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Titles, programs, departments, regions, if you could just name anything.
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I'd be happy to give you that in a close environment. I can tell you specifically.
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Thank you. Do you believe our government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials?
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It's something I can't discuss in public setting.
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Do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs?
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Absolutely based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.
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Are you aware of any individuals that are participating in our reverse engineering programs for non-terrestrial craft?
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Do you believe UAPs pose a potential threat to our national security?
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Yes, and here's why.
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The technology that we faced was far superior than anything that we had.
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And you could put that anywhere. You're talking something that can go into space, go someplace, drop down in a matter of seconds, do whatever it wants and leave.
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And there's nothing we can do about it. Nothing.
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Do you have any personal knowledge that people have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?
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In the last couple of years, have you had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life for addressing these issues?
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I just want everyone to note that he's coming forward in fear of his life to put in perspective if they were really not scared about this information coming out.
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Why would someone be intimidated like that?
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I want to thank everybody we made history today.
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I have no baseline knowing if this went well or not, but in my perspective, there was a lot of repetition.
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A lot of the questions were just alluded to things that were already mentioned in public before.
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I wish there was a lot more attention on them and they've still always been faced with significant issues.
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I think it could have been interesting, like why is this going on?
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In all the wars down the Transparency, people don't trust government.
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We need to hit the same issues and the New York State World.
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And we can make it a high world commitment from this.
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Even though the hearing felt like a great step in the right direction, it's still left me pretty frustrated that most questions asked were from the lens of the national security interests of the US.
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When clearly the implications of this topic are far beyond that.
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And that gave me the idea to do a different type of hearing with Dave the following day.
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It is now the day after the hearing and the news has gone absolutely viral all over the world.
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And I can't go to the pan-pricotacan.
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He's hung on the big grosch.
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This can't have anything. It's almost going to be a mess.
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We can't be against the sobriord with David Grosch.
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It's an ex-official intelligence.
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It's about David Grosch.
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Technology, uh, prosagien.
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One of Grosch or Gruus, or even, let's say Mr. Gruus.
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It's to say that Gruus, at the very serious level, he's very slow.
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Well, you can see investors at the border detail.
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The new EU向s engine obstacles, an emergency matter aid.
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Motorgrade, some drives after after.
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post it on Instagram last night just being like hey if you are a skeptic or a
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believer in UFOs please send me your most pressing question.
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We set up this little public hearing in the rooftop of our hotel and now we're
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just gonna go out and say hi to people and bring them up here.
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Oh, we just throw a bar.
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Hi guys, nice to meet you.
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Hi guys, nice to meet you.
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Alright guys, we're going to Tard and Golf together.
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The ASMR is the only people that will show up to something they have.
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But I promise it's gonna be worth it.
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I still can't say much until we get up there.
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Let's seek this comfort and follow me.
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Perfect, we're all set up.
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Public hearing number two.
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So, what do you guys think?
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This group is a pretty even split between skeptics and believers and we want both
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perspectives to be represented here in the questions that you asked of.
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This is the true public hearing for everybody.
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Yeah, it told me last night on my birthday.
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I'm sorry, I'm just gonna make you crazy.
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How do you feel after yesterday?
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Because I haven't had any.
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Good, I mean it felt like when I was playing basketball in high school you get the pre-game
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jitters, you'll become a god what's gonna go on.
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It was so cool to see the bipartisan shit.
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Because it's just gotten so bad at the last 10 years where you know it's the liberals
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and super conservatives.
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I thought it was the craziest thing I was telling him in the car.
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I have AOC and Matt Gaetz agreeing on something.
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I should be open for her.
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Yeah, I should be open for her.
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I guess like one of the questions that happens like why do the politicians like why do
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the people who are higher up feel like they need to hide their like evidence or why do
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they not want us to know that?
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Yeah, I mean I can only know what the mindset was you know multiple decades ago and like
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anything in government there was isn't the change.
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So this is the way we set it up.
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They basically took the Manhattan Project secrecy and overlaid it on this issue and then
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they realized the military and the national defense potential if the reverse engineering
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basically was successful.
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So we're gonna lock it down and then you remember a trusting government was high back in
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the 40s post-war and then also society was less secular so there's you know they're
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worried about the religious ontological shocks as well and they never really developed a
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political disclosure plan for what it's worth and they just were like this is the way
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it's been and we're gonna keep it that way and we don't want Russian China to be exposed
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to any of this info.
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Fortunately it's that kind of kind of low energy thinking you know.
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Next question please.
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So continue from what you were saying.
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I feel like a human species because I mean I might have watched too many movies.
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We can only you know through external observation and humanistic lens kind of in you know
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C and 10 of its malice or benevolent.
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If the universe certainly has a Yin and Yang so there's certainly dark with light so I
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think it's a mixed bag.
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It's just like humans right.
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Humans are generally kind but we also kill animals for food and like if you were a cow
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you'd be like these evil humans are gonna chop me up and like you know eat me so it's
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but we're not actually benevolent or excuse me malevolent as a whole but some lower sentient
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species would see us as malevolent so it's what lens you look at through.
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And I'd be very general in this to protect this person's identity because they're still
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an active duty but like I remember interviewing a guy and I have a background in psychological
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analysis and other stuff to you know assess people and for like three hours and it was
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a certain very senior Navy individual that saw he was going to work at a certain facility
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in the morning you know not drunk not high and a 300 foot triangular craft hovered over
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his car for a couple minutes and it like he couldn't even process what he was seeing
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but then he took pictures of his car after the incident and all the zenith upper facing
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decks of his car were all got hit with ionizing radiation ultraviolet because the paint became
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milky his headlights totally went there were totally clear as car was perfect before the
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incident and I'm like holy crap you have physical artifacts the guy we assessed you know
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he had a normal psychological composition no weird belief system just a dude that was
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going to work at a Navy base and you know he had a freaking huge craft at least the physical
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proof he provided he drew what he saw no sound he's weird army directional lights kind of
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that classic you know triangle like holy shit I didn't believe in UFOs but these guys are like
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they can't be lying to me as they certainly are credible guys have a lot to lose he was super
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scared to come forward he didn't tell his wife for five years that was I think an inflection
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point for me where I'm like okay there's something going on that's not adversarial tech talking
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to these people that were literally in tears telling me this stuff because it was a emotional
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thing that they could not process analytically what they were saying like totally beyond
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for comprehension so for what it's worth I've never seen anything believe or not so I came
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in as non-believers and it's coming as somebody who's a bit of a skeptic I understand
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the US Russian China are very very good at like secrecy of an area secrecy but you know there's
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180 some odd countries 190 some other countries how come we haven't seen more of this coming up
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or maybe others falling countries can be mentioned but they didn't should separate out have we seen
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more of this people who just did not pay attention has it been a lot of like forcing them into silence
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so there are certainly friendly governments both across the pond and say local to where we are landmass
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that are are for this and a lot of them know that they got a raw deal with the US because they
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were basically part of the secrecy through kind of agreements like bilateral and unilateral agreements
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and they're like you know they kind of want to be released me like you know because they they do
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while it lies it was a it was a bad deal with the ecosystem secrecy some people one of their arguments
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is like how would they keep the secret I'm like dude I was cleared to some of the most nations most
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sensitive programs I used to handle the PDB you know I flaxess to most DOD activities and most
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of the stuff broad programs that we're enduring have never leaked so the US and its allies are
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very good at keeping secrecy to include programs that are most like global in nature and really
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it's been leaking like a sieve in some weird way for many decades now it's been mixed in with
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some BS in the ufology and stuff but the general gist of it's actually been out there for a long time
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it has been leaking in some sense I guess I don't know if I know but to my
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ass like why don't we discuss like popular biases just in general you know like where you grew up
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defines like okay if I look up at something in the sky and I'm looking for something and I really
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want it then it's going to be true or maybe it's the fact that as a child we saw aliens that
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were greening and they had antennas and so I don't know I guess I'm just wondering why we're
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going to conclude reasons about it this thing oh yeah because I'm skeptical I guess I think
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it maybe it's fabricated to extend based on our beliefs yeah it's like manifesting your
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own reality based on your own I totally get that even some of the metaphysics and I was like
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super careful with confirmation bias and all that and like I came in skeptical there's like
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the Fermi paradox or because the Rika Fermi was famously like well you know where are they
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overtly landing on the White House lawn kind of thing but because we have like tangible physical
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evidence at least you know he was government does there is a there there on their existence but
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like what are they for like you know actually you know like we talked about it's like if they do
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exhibit bilateral symmetry and they're bipedal and everything that's like wow what is the chance
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in biologically for them to develop in a similar way than us what if it's an intelligence engineering
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beings to look like us for ease of contact totally worth looking into it and I wish it was a
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area of study that you know wasn't stigmatized anymore yeah here's the data the government house
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you have you have you figure it out you know you guys at a tenured PhD Nobel nominee at Stanford
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who claims to have crashed parts with isotope ratio is not going to start through studying it you
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have a guy at Harvard who's ahead of the astrophysics department who has set up an entire institute
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that is setting up sensors to find these things we should never evangelize or prostitutize the
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answer being there are definitely aliens but I think it's like realities a lot weirder than we
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think probably due to a lot of empirical stuff that people have picked up and it's our job to
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like look into it this is more about like getting people to ask bigger better questions rather than
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necessarily have answers while we're creating with you know with with Dave and Jesse like this
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becomes an invitation for people to look deeper into this and we're going to make sure that we're
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going to leave in the description like the list of things to read things to watch interviews to check
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out yeah my biggest outrage was just like wait if this was broadly studied like nuclear physics right
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how you make a nuclear bomb classified physics not and this equestration of astrobiology astrophysics
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where you could build undergraduate graduate postdoctoral programs a record to actually study
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this shit openly holy shit that's like way better and we can you know you know potentially develop
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novel solutions for energy etc who knows but no it was sequestered because it's like this like arms
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race thing I'm like man this is ridiculous and that was another reason why you know I'm so
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blood yeah has this changed your perception on biology I grew up Roman Catholic as a kid the whole
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confirmation thinks CCD and all that you know it was reasonably religious but nothing like crazy
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kind of average studied physics I became kind of agnostic I was like I don't know about this all this
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kind of woo woo you know stuff that the church expelses and stuff and then oddly enough I've kind of
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come full circle I think about the people the journey I had and the most random people that I've
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known that were placed in my life like 14 years ago you know shut the door in my office at NGA
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like look dude and you know they start telling me all this stuff that I was I'm and they brought
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these like crazy intel reports and I was like I can't believe I'm reading this and it was like so
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wild I mean really I'm not like trying to be hyperbolic at all and yeah I guess I've kind of come
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full circle it's like really weird journey yeah I don't know what does the future look like I mean
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it seems like all we can do is research right now yeah what is happening next is I know there's some
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intel officers and other people in and out of government they're about to file complaints
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similar to what I did because they said fuck it you know and then they were on these programs like
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firsthand dudes you know not people telling me stuff like literally the dudes touching the stuff
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February of 2024 we should have a presidential panel on UAP disclosure looking at the crash retrieval
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issue and everything and then within 300 days of the enactment of the act we're gonna get some kind of
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I think government statement next year on this topic the tsunami wave is building and I don't
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think we're gonna totally backpedal anymore other than that it would be totally speculation but
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that's at least what's gonna come I think 2024 is gonna be knock on wood potentially wild in a good
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way so do you think this is gonna make countries and especially the US adversaries work together or
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I'm hoping it's gonna be deescalatory when it comes to pure competition and like we have
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bigger things to either look at worry about etc and I don't I understand it's not gonna create
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some utopian society where nobody's gonna care about fetalistic dominance like you know Russian China
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it's South China Sea Ukraine whatever but I I hope that it's like a moment of pause where people could
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be like okay we have to look at our priorities and at least come together in some sense more than we
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are now so I think it's a uniting thing versus a dividing thing I hope that's a result of what I did
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that'd be good for me because I know I was in war and I've seen the evils of the world and I rather
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not you know keep on going humanity's not going down a good path right now I think everybody can
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agree it's divergent both sociologically and there's this very dangerous hot wars that could lead
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to like a World War III type scenario yeah I think there's something so beautiful and like us
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reassessing our our entire existence and really figuring out how do we move forward if if reality is
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even crazier than we ever thought and the only thing we can do is to influence our local
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environments and just be as good than as kind and as loving as we possibly can then that's what's
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gonna you know ripple into this greater reality of our part of I hope you guys realize like how
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truly unique slash historic this is there is certainly millions of people after yesterday that
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would want to be in this room having this fun so it is really really wild that we get to have
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this opportunity thank you for sending names to us
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I'm proud of the yet fancy sport the craziest part is that we're going home with him today like we're
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So now we're about to go to Dave's house.
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Everyone is trying to do their best to be as sensitive and caring about the topic as
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As he said the other day, he would use rather not to do this and rather want someone
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else to do it, but it feels that they have to do it.
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And he have all my respect.
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There's this cool saying that speak even if your voice is shaking.
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The thing with Dave is that his voice never shakes.
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It feels like his lip was confident man I met in years.
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It feels pretty surreal to be in his house right now, but his phone has not stopped ringing
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and hanging up on reporters all day.
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Wow, that's beautiful.
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It's a feeling during it for you.
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I probably cried through the first hour of it, just like release.
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Everybody treated him with respect.
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Everybody had done their research.
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I think it just went so well from the previous four years of him getting drugged through
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It was just a big relief.
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And did you have any views or opinions on the phenomenon before?
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I'm not a big sci-fi person.
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You would come home and tell me general stuff and I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense.
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Yeah, there's probably aliens.
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Yeah, I was like, I think Dave is like inspiring people for young this subject.
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He dares to speak about something, gives the opportunity to other people to speak about
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He's enabling other people to speak the truth.
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It's like kind of BTS style.
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For the next few hours, Jesse sat down with Dave for the most in-depth public interview
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that Dave has given to date.
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You can watch it on Jesse's channel, so please check it out after this one.
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At this point, we had all been going non-stop on the topic since the hearing took place.
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So we decided to have a change of pace after Dave invited us out on an adventure.
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Dave ran this morning and I love race because his wife is a big place.
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I think it's about the race.
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Call the roud of tradition.
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I'm holding on for America.
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So this is apparently one of these favorites stuff to do anyone.
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So let's do some A to B together with him.
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See Dave being Dave.
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First of all, I've minored in German and college.
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I have a bakery in physics, so I've just kept up with the language in over the years.
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And before we set go back to Dave, we went on one last hike to get some answers.
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To some of our biggest unanswered questions.
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Why did you decide to do this with us?
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Well, I was watching your episodes.
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And I like their vibe.
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A friend of mine, like two years ago, he was like, hey, you haven't watched like, yes, they're here.
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I have a decent subscription.
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You touch the younger demographic.
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You bring in cultures.
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You're knighting cultures and everything.
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And I thought that's great because it's somebody who's unfortunately been on the side of state versus state and all that.
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You know, seeing a different, more uniting kind of message it was nice to see.
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And I saw how you, you know, affect a lot of people and just the positive vibes.
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And I thought it would make sense to go through you guys.
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Over the past days, you shared with us that you were diagnosed to be on the autism spectrum.
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How has this served you in your life and in your career and how has it hindered you?
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I mean, I didn't know, you know, that I was autistic until I was like in my early 30s.
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And, you know, I always wondered why in my personal life, if I get fixated on something and obsessed, what was going on with that.
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I mean, it served me well in the government because I was super good at, you know, doing intel in like, you know, Dave, we want you to target this facility.
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Okay, you have six months.
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Figure out everything.
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Of course, I do. And it's, you know, that was very good.
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But I think, yeah, it obviously causes me to be very like detail oriented.
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I want to always tell the truth.
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But your instinct is just to say it as it is.
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What would you tell like a normal person who is like processing all this?
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Would you give any advice or if you could give an advice to like a normal person watching like, what would you tell that person?
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Yeah, I mean, I empathize with kind of the shocking nature.
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It, you know, it enters, it's a weird thing to enter your worldview, right?
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You know, it's holy crap.
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We're just revealing another aspect of nature.
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It's just another discovery like, you know, splitting the atom or the fact that, you know, the solar system is heliocentric.
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And you know, there's not in the center.
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So the humankind, we're not the apex ascenteants potentially.
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And there's, you know, other life out there, you know, whether you believe in God or not, a paint, you know, nature paints with a broad brush.
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And we're just revealing another really, I think, exciting aspect of nature that I think that will make us feel a lot less lonely.
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And I, and like, what I was telling you about, I mean, like, I think anybody who's like struggling with meaning or depression or whatever, I mean, maybe this will kind of help, you know, to get them excited.
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And for young people thinking about what they want to study.
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And I hope this like inspires people to want to know more.
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I mean, it's a little scary to find out some pretty shocking things that really can change your worldview, but I think it's generally for the best, you know.
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I question on the people that I've come forward to because you said that they are colleagues and people that I've worked with for over a decade.
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I can't even imagine the psychological weight that is on one of the people that are in the program.
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How, on a personal level, how are they even existing?
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I think that they, you know, wanted to get the weight off their shoulder and explain, you know, what they thought was wrong.
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Even though they sign the non-disclosure, they're patriotic, they're really good people.
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These are not evil people or anything like that.
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But they thought it was a raw deal because the funny thing is if you're in an unannolled program, you don't even know what you're getting briefed to when you are like, hey, we need to sign NDA, you're going to be on something cool.
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We can't tell you until you sign.
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So, and then they sign it and then they see all the stipulations, how it's enforced, we're briefed in a very threatening manner.
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And I think they probably wish they'd never, they never signed it, right?
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The SINX 2, who are like, it would have come out. There'd be photos, right?
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No, they enforce this brutal.
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For the crazy controls in play.
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And what was the last special access program that leaked?
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They don't generally leak.
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Now people are like, oh, dude, wouldn't it be broadly leaked or whatever?
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I'm like, as somebody who is super cleared to a lot of that conventional stuff over the years, stuff never leaks.
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It doesn't come out. There are plenty of things that are pretty serious. They're broad.
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That I've never seen the light of day.
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You know, the psychology of the typical career government worker, right?
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Stable paycheck, pension, maintain clearance.
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So if any of that's threatened, you know, they're going to capitulate most cases, right?
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And, you know, that was basically what happened to me, but I, you know, just decided to fight the system.
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I stumbled upon this, which arguably is the most interesting and fascinating and exciting thing ever.
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Oh, how would I go back to doing my normal job?
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And just shutting my mouth and sitting in my office and doing regular national defense stuff?
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Because our priorities are not even right if this other thing is legit.
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So, do you think the fact that your neurodivergent was this like curveball?
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Do you think that came into play because your response is so different than what?
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Yeah, I think my response is so analytical. I like don't even think about it emotionally.
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My divergence really helped keep the train on the track.
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Yeah, I had to look at it this time.
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Yeah, they didn't consider my zest to continue the mission.
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Because, you know, once you get me going, you know, it's hard to pull the brakes on the trains.
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Because we did something really special right after the hearing. The following morning we just, you know,
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brought in the S-fam into the room and I would say this had to be your first time taking questions from the public like that.
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Yeah. I've like never done that.
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How did it feel to just be receiving questions that you just know that they're coming from curiosity, not an agenda?
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People seem genuinely interested. I mean, even if they were skeptical, that's super healthy.
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Like, you shouldn't just be like, oh yeah, if he says it, it's totally legit.
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We'll do your own lit review or whatever.
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And I thought it was super cool.
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Yeah. And that was cool to see what people were thinking.
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And it gives me kind of a pulse on, you know, non-governmenty people and what they, what their concerns are, not media heads or whatever.
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One sort of bombshell sound bite from the hearing is Congresswoman Nancy Mase asked you about biologic.
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If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?
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As I've stated publicly already in my news nation interview, a biologics came with some of these recoveries.
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Yeah. I mean, it's, it is a mind-blowing side of it, right?
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It's a little easy to imagine, you know, an artifact or whatever.
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But when you start talking about, you know, the biological side of it, it really throws you for a loop psychologically.
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And, you know, I talked to the people that, you know, were on that aspect of the program, if you will.
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And, I mean, it comes with a territory.
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I mean, buckle up, I guess.
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Were they alive? Were they dead?
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I don't get in the specifics.
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Yeah. I know a lot of that stuff.
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Adam, can you ask me why are you allowed to say that NHI pilots came out of the craft, but you can't wear the orange.
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So I put in the pre-publication stuff, we got approved. I mean, I could go back and ask for more.
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Any specific knowledge I garnered when I was on the other side of the door.
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If I want to talk about that publicly, everybody who has had a job like I have has a minute to think called DOPSER at the Pentagon,
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DOD Pre-Publication and Security Review, you know, even if it's about this stuff.
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Like, I know it sounds insane, but like, you literally have to say, like, this is what I want to talk about.
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Why do you think they approved it?
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Catched 22, because so they'd have to self-identify and highlight their concerns to redact.
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So the office who would propose a redaction, say it's a three-letter agency or whatever, so they would have to self-ignolage.
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So I think when I submitted that, they had a choice, right?
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Either we tried us sequester Dave's ability to speak publicly and try to tell him no, but then we have to give him a reason and tell him what organization said no.
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If it got redacted like that and it cited what organization and what security reason it is, I would just publish that.
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And then the public can understand, you know, make its own interpretation why, you know, the US government's withholding information about that kind of thing and wanted to sequester my speech.
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You were also honest in the hearing and definitively said you hadn't seen the bodies.
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So just people who very high trust, you had sort of, you know, a lot of intersection career-wise with them.
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But they have. The people that I interviewed have, and they were some of the people that were interviewed by the Inspector General, because that was the thing is like, you know, people were like, oh, hear say whatever.
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Okay, I understand. Second hand, I literally brought the people first hand to the authorities.
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I'm just here as the meeting monkey or the like, unifier trying to bring everybody together and bring the people who do have that knowledge to the right people.
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Which feels also that this were the perfect set of circumstances for you to be the one that blows the whistle, because first hand knowledge would have put you in a completely different category of being able to disclose this stuff, right?
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If I became subject of a non-disclosure agreement, might be gumming a first hand.
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Actually would have hindered me, and I would have never been able to do this.
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I think about some stuff I was denied access to.
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And thank God you are right.
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And if I sign that non-disclosure agreement, I would have absolutely non-bonded.
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Yes. They would have, I would have been trapped.
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So it's actually weird that my lack of that, but knowing the people that do though, and I brought those people to the IG, is the only way I was able to get.
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So the actual reprisal stuff and the access to null stuff actually enhanced my ability to operate.
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But I will tell you, I taught these people in the program, they are just so afraid.
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Because the way it was enforced over the years, threatening nature of some of their indoctrinations, where they're like, this is treason, you're going to leaven worth, if you ever tell anybody not in the program, and they'll buy the way, what's the penalty for treason?
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Oh right, execution, right?
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Did you ever at any point try to suss out whether you were being lied to?
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Oh, 100% are coming from the same programs.
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And so presumably there's some level of coordination between them.
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Oh, how do you kind of get through it?
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And just make sure that they're not meeting in some back room saying, you say this today, I'll say this today.
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So like I also went out of my way to find people who don't know each other either, that like, you know, through methods like making sure I'm not getting circular reporting, not a part of some other kind of faction that might want to push a certain narrative out.
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And I had higher ranking colleagues in mind go, who are part of the same effort in their official capacity, go talk to other people that I didn't even personally talk to to keep that separation.
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So they didn't know that they were feeding some of that information back to me.
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And so I had I had a bunch of people go out just to make sure I wasn't being targeted.
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I had other people conduct oral history interviews, and but they were getting the same information.
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We took all that and I'm like, all the people who conducted those interviews, I made them get interviewed by the inspector general, because we're cross on our teeth here because this shit is crazy.
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And I was, I mean, you can never be perfect, but man, I was so freaking careful to make sure I wasn't getting fed some bullshit.
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And the quality of people we talk to, if they ever go public, it'll blow your mind who we talk to.
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I mean, we're talking to some serious players that were like confirmed by the Senate, you know, years ago that we talked to, and I was leaving it at that.
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I mean, I hope that they eventually go public. I understand the reputational hazards, their hazards to their legacy.
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They might have a slightly different thought process in me about protecting the information and what should be acknowledged.
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But I think if they want to do the right thing before they kind of sunset, you know, in their lives, I think this would be a noble thing to do if they're watching right now.
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And you know, they know who they are. And it'd be great. Yeah.
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The past days have gotten me up to like, okay, 90% trust this guy.
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This was like taking the 90 to 100. To be able to see that part and see his eyes light up and certain things that he talked about, that's ultimately to me.
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That's my compass and my life. It's not about someone giving me a set of information that I believe in or not, but to certain feeling that I get from another human.
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And that's ultimately that's where this journey started.
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Following curiosity of, you know, me meeting Melanie was in our Berkshire story who really like I felt such strong empathy towards her and being able to experience the same thing with Dave that I experienced with her just gives me that much more confirmation.
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This is a path that we're meant to be on. That we want to be on.
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We did it, boys. We did it. We did it.
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One of the most prominent and credible characters in the UFO world today is Dr. Gary Nolan. A name that you heard here a couple of times already.
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Gary Nolan is publicly stated, you know, he had weird stuff with the phenomenon as a kid. And this is a noble nominee world class cancer researcher, tenured professor at Stanford, extremely intelligent guy.
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And you know, he exposes like, look, I had a, you know, personal connection with the phenomenon.
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There is a lot to be impressed by in regards to Dr. Nolan's accomplishments. He is an inventor, immunologist, a professor at Stanford University, a Nobel Prize nominee, and the list goes on and on.
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In my opinion, though, what I find most impressive about Dr. Nolan is his courage to be outspoken on his beliefs on the UFO phenomenon and his personal experience with it.
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Jesse connected the dots once again and Dr. Nolan agreed to meet us at his lab at the Stanford School of Medicine.
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This was dealt by one of my postdocs, my cancel, who's now a professor in them. It actually meets medals in a vacuum. That's an eye on the gun.
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An unbelievable, yeah, there it is.
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And then we'll start shooting on it.
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I started to knock the cell, no matter what you're doing.
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So it's downright now.
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I've never heard of it.
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Seeing some beautiful pieces.
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Yeah, we can pull that out again and meet towards the end.
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Has discussing the topic and going deeper into the research affected your career negatively in any way?
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I'm sure a little bit.
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I know that there are people who've said, you know, low-gary, what's he doing?
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But first of all, I don't care.
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But even before I got involved with UFOs, I had plenty of ideas that everybody said, well, that's not going to work.
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Or why are you doing that?
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And I was like, I know it's going to work.
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Because people pushed back, pushed you back on wanting to start companies earlier on your career, right?
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Well, they said you shouldn't, you're an assistant professor, you shouldn't be starting a company.
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I mean, if you let other people define your life and what the questions you can ask, stop.
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No one else is going to do it.
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If you are so have a burning desire to do it and you're going to let the people stop it, imagine other people who don't have your confidence, who are also being stopped.
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I've always thought that if the implications of the secrecy around the phenomenon, if true, then it's probably the biggest violation against science that has ever existed.
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Because we've kept it secret, we've prevented some of the brightest minds that have walked from this planet to look into it.
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Oh, yeah, oh, for me, what infuriates me is lost potential.
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And so that's an example of lost potential.
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You know, my personal anecdotes are not enough.
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If I want to give it scientists, there has to be a scientific approach to the whole thing.
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And now, I'm sort of in the right place at the right time with the right tools and the right talents to do it.
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I mean, it's almost amazing that I have the kinds of analysis tools in my laboratory alone that are sufficient to allow me to ask some of the questions that will answer what some of the materials are, yet how they're particular.
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Whether it's real or not, it's a phenomenon that multiple people experience.
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Enough people have experienced it that as we were talking earlier, asking the question about it is going to lead to an answer no matter what, and it's going to be an interesting answer.
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If it's some sort of delusion, why do people have the delusion?
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I mean, that's the easy way to explain it away.
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But if it has some kind of reality, that's even more interesting.
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So, you know, it's worth asking.
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Why do you think we've shut down every person that has tried to ask these questions up until a couple of years ago?
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People have a mindset about what reality is and how it's composed.
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You could probably go a thousand years ago to a village somewhere and say, hey, there's a bunch of people who live in the next village or that on an island somewhere and they, you know, they don't look like us.
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And you would get a lot of people going on, I don't believe it because it's effort to change your worldview or to use your brain.
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And so, I think that's just sort of it's built into our psyche to be inherently conservative.
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There's something worth studying here. It is not understandable by in human terms.
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I look at something like that and I say, wow, okay, I can now imagine all kinds of different possibilities of what it might be, which as a scientist gets me excited.
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I don't mind a critic. I just don't want for you to position it to shut them down.
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I'm not asking the question in the first place because that is what holds everybody back.
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Yes. Suddenly, I had in my laboratory a whole bunch of instruments of different flavors that could work on metals.
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And so, around that time, I bet Jacques and others and I said, hey, we've got this stuff, you know, and here's like, here's like a whole bunch of them.
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Right, we've got this stuff, much of which is metals, can you help us?
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And what's the or, like, how do you do that?
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These are all from mostly through Jacques.
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Claimed to be from debris left over, something left behind, something that dropped off a craft and these molten metals that are often seen.
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Jacques has spent enormous amount of time over the decades, tracing the stories, getting a chain of custody, speaking to the people individually, speaking to the people around the people, and accepting nothing as, you know, as it's told.
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But, you know, distilling it down to a set of things that you some of which was able to share with me.
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From how many countries?
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Brazil, United States, France.
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There's this perception that this is an American phenomenon. This only happens to me.
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No, it's not. I mean, it's just reporting bias. That's all.
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Yeah, it's just reporting bias. You know, I published the first ever peer review paper on that, and that was from a molten metal that fell in an area called council bluffs that many people had seen this glowing object that had lights rotating around it, and then they saw something drop from it.
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And it was glowing, and then they arrived, including the police arrived, and there's a big pool of molten metal on the ground.
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Okay, why? What is it?
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So, I look at this, and it's interesting in and of itself, but like, well, okay, why does a UFO need to drop molten metal? I don't know.
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So, when you look at that, or you look at another one, this is from somebody in Australia, which is another metal that dropped off of something.
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And he has, I mean, I have big chunks of it. It's like, it has a story behind it that is worth follow-up.
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And so, okay, well, that's not the same as that.
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Yeah, okay. So, and there's another one that I've got, which is from here in California.
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And so, here you have three or four different things that appear to drop something, and they have a good story behind them.
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And so, what's the similarities? What's the difference?
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I don't know yet. And again, I'm not going to say this proves anything.
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I was going to say, here's the range of things that people have, and here's the stories that look in the appendices about what the details of the story, and here's what they're made of.
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What's the most interesting date that right now that you've found?
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Looked at certain isotopes in the material, and found that one of them had natural magnesium ratio, and the other had magnesium ratios that were so far off earth normal.
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But the only way you could interpret them, frankly, is that they were engineered.
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Or they were part of an industrial process that resulted in them.
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Because there's no reason to do it.
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I mean, right now we just use the mix.
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We use whatever we dig out of the ground, and it's got 80% 9 and 11, let's say, of the three different isotopes, and the percentage is adding up to 100.
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But it turns out that actually physicists and chemists are starting to realize that there are subtle differences that can be used to accomplish electronic goals.
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Down at the atomic level, that the general mix doesn't do.
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People have done sort of like elemental and some isotopic analysis of these things, but I'm going to go to the next level.
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I'm going to get the atomic positions of things in a volume to say how to show how the atoms are organized.
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So you're basically developing the instrumentation now to be able to even go deeper?
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Well, there's an instrumentation available that I'll use to do this, but I'm tweaking it in a way that will make it even better.
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For a closing question, if you have a message to the world that this very interesting moment that we're seeking discomfort and realizing that we might not be alone, we've never been alone.
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Well, I think that, I mean, if seeking discomfort is the catchphrase of the moment, realize that on the other side of discomfort is pleasure.
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And if pleasure is information, and for most people like me, it is, then this is probably the most pleasurable moment ever, that we will realize that we're not alone, that there's others.
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And to me, it's actually a hopeful moment, because if we're living on the edge of disaster and apocalypse, and just look at the zeitgeist of the moment in the movies, every other movie or television show is about an apocalypse and a most untired of them.
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And here you have a civilization that has made it past that inflection point, and they're here, perhaps, if anything, only to show us that you can do it too.
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That's what I create.
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I can't believe what I just held in my hand.
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If true, this stuff came from unfathomable places in the universe.
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And it's been years of collecting this stuff.
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This is not something that I just found out, even like collecting it for years.
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One of my favorite characters that I've gone to know in my studies is Dr. John Mack, who was chair of psychiatry at Harvard.
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He's the one that inspired me, his approach, because he was approaching it from a lens of empathy, and just like really listening to those people that for their whole lives were just shut down in silence and told that they were crazy.
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Like, why the fuck did we do that with our fellow humans?
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Hundreds of thousands of them, if not millions of them, that have shared stories, and we were like, fuck you, you're crazy.
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Like, what was that?
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Like a million-ish story.
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I want to figure out what that is first, before I try and ask the bigger questions, almost.
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Stories have the power to change the world, and we just wanted to tell a story that is true to us, a story that represents the inner journey of what I personally went through over the past.
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I personally went through over the last three years, since I've spent such a big part of my life that I never got to share.
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Especially with Melanie, like, there was always...
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Melanie is the one that I connected with on a personal level the most, and there was always just...
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I mean, I've been in touch with her over the past three years, and we text back and forth, but she's the one that I was most curious about, because she's the one that spoke about what happened to her at least.
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It wasn't a part of her, it didn't become a part of her story. That's why I think there's so much more to dig out.
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I just saw this comment from the video 2020, someone saying,
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I went into this fully expecting to laugh, and probably rolled my eyes a good bit.
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Now I'm sitting here with chills, too scared of my new perception of reality to go to bed.
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It's exactly what people are expecting when they hear about UFO nailings that they're gonna laugh, but then a new perception of reality can be created,
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and hopefully not a scared one, hopefully an inviting and loving one.
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Just the willingness to be open to a new understanding of reality.
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Like, we can be so close off, because we want to protect the world we've been conditioned by, and the bubble we've created.
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Yeah, if anything, I hope that people watching this will watch this with an open mind. It's maybe possible that I can expand the way I see this.
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Aw, fashion icon. She really is, like, yeah, she's...
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So happy to see you.
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Was it a hard time yet?
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No, no, it's really easy.
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And Sky, it's great to be here.
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Good to see you, my love.
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Welcome to the Berkshire. Welcome up to our house here.
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It's so amazing to just be back and seeing her again.
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She's such a sweetheart. She was, like, really my entry to this.
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When you heard of beings right here, why did we have a...
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Oh, he's chatting now. He's gathered.
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So how was the trip?
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Just the whole journey of being with Dave from the moment he landed in Washington
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to us leaving together with him to go to his home.
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Yeah, there was a...
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When you're here, you have to make yourself there.
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I'm not going to leave.
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So I could tell you how much I respected him.
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Because I could tell that there was a fear in him, but at the same time, he wasn't having it.
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I'm going to tell this.
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I know that there...
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That I've been through how with this, what they've put me through.
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But I'm going to talk about it.
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I really am afraid for him at the same time.
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I'm afraid for him and his wife.
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But I really respected him.
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He's become a voice of people like me.
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He knows the things that I can't talk about or the things that I saw.
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He knows what they're talking about.
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He's protecting someone like me that doesn't have a voice.
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I was beaten down as a child.
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It happened my whole life.
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But I was so beaten down as a child.
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So someone like him that comes forward and speaks to it.
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We're going to let him know that.
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Thanks for everything.
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We just left Melanie's home in the Berkshires.
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There's something I just needed to tell you right away.
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We asked her what the hearing meant to her.
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She just started tearing up how you spoke, gave her a voice and gave to everyone that has gone through an experience like that.
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It was so emotional.
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I just wanted you to know that the people that have gone through things are seeing you and appreciating you for what you've done.
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It was so beautiful to just witness.
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We left Melanie's with a full heart and hope for a future where more people can speak their truth without fear of being silenced.
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For me, this journey has been less about trying to figure out what the phenomenon is and more about why we've failed to believe each other for so long.
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Are you sorry now that you did tell people what you saw?
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I'm sorry because it's not the truth but it's just the idea of the reaction of the people.
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They think you're not.
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Tell you the truth. That's just what they figure you are.
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I hope that we've managed to spark your curiosity on the phenomenon and deepen your empathy towards the humans who've risked it all to share their truth with the world.
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Let this be a moment where we choose love over fear, curiosity over skepticism.
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The human spirit has always sought to explore the unknown and now we have to do just that.
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So let's come into it with an open mind and cultivate a deeper understanding of our existence on this beautiful planet.
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May this be a quest for truth, love and humanity.
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I think that in space there's no love and I'm down here that is.
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