Transcript: UFO Revolution - What REALLY Happened At The UFO Hearing? : WEAPONIZED #65

This is weaponized. Where the hell are we Jeremy? We are in a non-disclosed location because

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we got a party tonight. I'm going to you and I are going to I know you hate these but we're

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going to do a Q&A for the premiere of a three-part series that if people haven't watched

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they should watch it's on 2B. I got followed for almost a year trying to fight for these hearings

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and seeing where it's going. Three-part series the whole UFO world is talking about it,

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debating about it, I'm planning about it, whining about it, cheering for it as usual. And I've seen

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it and gosh I can't let you out of my sight for one minute you're stirred up trouble. You go to

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wash it in and stir up a whole bunch of troubles. Yeah I'm super threatening apparently.

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Yeah man look people need to watch it and decide for themselves what they're seeing. I think there's

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a lot of information in that series to the best of my ability. I'm telling it like I know it like I

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understand it. There's a lot of great things that happened at the hearing. You know having

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Luel Azonda under oath so the American public can decide do we trust him? That was important to me.

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I trust Lu. I think when he goes up there and tries to tell you how it is I believe that's how

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it is. So I think having him under oath was important and I did fight for that to get Lu to

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testify which wasn't easy. There are some shenanigans and they're very disturbing to me like having

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experience and I am concerned that the UAP truth has been controlled for so long and now we're at

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a point where we're admitting it. You can't take back the David Grush test if I you can't take

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back the commander frame of test by under oath in front of the American public but that was a sneak

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attack. This hearing was not it was controlled it was managed it was a setup in some ways and it's

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not all bad but why I'm concerned is because if if you have something that's out of control we now

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know UFOs are real they're here a lot of questions coming then what you want to do is shape it you

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want to control it. I am very concerned that people are being put into position of authority so that

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they can shape the narrative again and that is really my biggest gripe. If people watch this series

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they can judge for themselves but that is my concern I'll be very clear about it all the King's

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horses and all the King's men are shaping the UAP narrative again. That's the thing is that you

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know for 75 80 years the problem has been the limited amount of credible information has been

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controlled, stigmatized, dribbled out, twisted and turned by the people who control the stuff.

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Keepers of the secrets. Now at a moment when it seems that the stigma is reduced that Congress is

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interested, major media are taking it seriously, academia is digging in. Suddenly there's a new

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control system that's about to be imposed on it and although it may look like transparency,

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a congressional hearing and open hearing it's something else and I know we're going to get into this

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a little bit later we're going to hear questions from the public in this episode. At the end I want to

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come back to a couple of things that I've seen raised on social media are usual critics and

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address some of the remaining questions. Yeah look people being ordained and put into position

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for you to go to as a whistleblower or direct firsthand knowledge about UAP you have to make

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sure you trust them. They can't be bought, they can't be influenced, they need to be pure

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reporters and journalists. I am very scared that people are being ordained and put into position

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as filters for information. I think that's dangerous for whistleblowers. I absolutely directly saw

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that that is dangerous for the author of the Immaculate Constellation documents who I walked into

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congressional offices for meetings so they could see eye to eye months before months before the

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years before that was known to the public. I did that not only to vet the the witness the author

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of Immaculate Constellation but also to have that person show their face here's my information

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this is coming out and then to see the way that when I submitted that onto congressional record by

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design I made sure that I got right there at that morning was the final copy that would be

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distributed to see how bureaucratically that was twisted by the people controlling that narrative

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if they'll lie about that Houston we got a big fucking problem. Let's hear the question the Q&A

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from the public and from our journalist friend and then we'll come back there a couple of loose ends

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that I want to address and tie up with you.

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What ever we said hey we're going to record a podcast I got a couple of friends coming over

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I had her fight it yeah well thank you for having me thank you for everybody for coming out and

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I have so many questions after finishing that but the first one I want to start with is what was

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the difference between the first congressional hearing and the second congressional hearing you've

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used the word controlled to describe the second one and I'm curious did anything happen in between

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those two hearings that changed the layout of the landscape. Well the first one felt like a genuine

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sincere effort to gather information to do what Congress is supposed to do to look into this

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and it was sort of a opening curtain for what we hope would be a long and fruitful investigation to

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for Congress to do its duty and find out where billions and billions of dollars of legitimate

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national security dollars have been spent over the years and to fair it out secrets that have been

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kept under the wraps for a long time it felt hopeful this one didn't feel hopeful I was encouraged by

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what Lou said you know in Jeremy and I it wasn't really in that episode but for months talking to

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congressional staffers in setting this up and Jeremy did a lot of so much work to help members

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of Congress and their staff make this happen getting Lou there we were also involved in the

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earlier hearing you know to line up witnesses that would really make an impact and it wasn't an

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ego thing it wasn't for a TV show it was really to move the ball down the field on the UFO issue this

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one had a different feel I wasn't able to be there Jeremy and I were in contact the whole time and

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he was telling me what was going on it was hard to believe what had happened I don't know if you can

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get the the importance of that whole document they immaculate constellation document it wasn't a

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matter of Jeremy needs to have credit for submitting it to Congress it was you know I almost think

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it's a lucky break that happened that way yeah yeah because it was a tell it was like flipping up your

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whole card to show what was going on and maybe we can get into what it meant but it was a lesson in

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the the new reality for the UFO topic and I think what's happening is a changing of the guard

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we think and I think Danny sheen would agree to us and with with with this and other people it might

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be in the audience that there there really is technology non-human technology and bodies

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stashed in hangars or bunkers and it's been there for a long time and aerospace companies have

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been trying to figure it out and they haven't mastered it yet I don't think so they haven't got

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anti-gravity they've been trying but because the secrecy and and you know these stove pipes

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they can't let enough people know that where you could really have some serious progress

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and it's you know maybe their time is up but what's happening I think what came out of this hearing

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is the changing of the guard is there's a push to move that technology wherever it's stashed

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into the hands of other companies other individuals do we want to go further than that yeah

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look the hearing thing here's the deal George and I were talking I was calling for a path talk

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before the before the thing the first one was authentic there was David Grush we had been in

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him for a year we sat behind him in Congress because we knew what he was saying was authentic

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this new hearing was absolutely controlled I didn't understand it at the time I'm still kind of

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experiencing it on the TV I told George this feels weird it's as if people are the two

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pages out of the tube as people say like they can't put it back in but they're trying to shape the

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emerging UAP narrative that's a line from a CIA document shape this way for you shape the emerging

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UAP narrative that's what's going on again so I don't I don't know what's going to happen but

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I know we got some people coming forward I know people are pissed off and I know we're going

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to do our best the first one was the sneak attack the second one it was like controlled it was

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really weird and let's go into the importance of Nancy Mace saying what she said and what is the

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overall impact what impact does it have on whistleblowers and do you think this makes whistleblowers

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now afraid or motivated to come out a lot of whistleblowers will be coming forward because of what

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happened I mean it was weird you all saw it it was in real time the cameras were there it's pretty

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clear what happened and it's not a trivial matter you know Jeremy had taken this particular witness

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into three of those congressional offices months ago so they knew what was coming we had had

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conversations with the guy how he wanted the information to come forward he entrusted Jeremy

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with this document we had gone over live by line with that guy what the contents were

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and there was a promise of how it was going to be handled and then that promise was broken

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and it's for reasons that you know I was kind of hending about it I think it has reasons to do with

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people who give a lot of money to members of congress and again this changing of the guard day of

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where that technology is going to end up and whose hands are going to be all over it and trying to

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exploit it now and George you also had an incredible series that was released this year and you were

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able to travel around the globe and so I'm curious do other nations are there governments operating

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in a similar way or do you anticipate foreign whistleblowers coming forward are they more open

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or are they as closed I think most of our closest allies take their accused from us you know they

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department defense doesn't want to stop out the people who are really the keepers of the secrets

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do not want it out they've kept a lid on it for a long time they've intimidated witnesses

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they've spied on UFO researchers they've infiltrated UFO organizations they've withheld information

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locked out things and FOIA requests they've been dishonest with the public for a long time that's

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really what got me involved in the topic a long time ago and probably what fuels Jeremy's interest

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as well as they lied to us and it's provable and demonstrable and I think that they put pressure on

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other governments one example would be in this Netflix series you're talking about investigation

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alien we went to calaris that story about calaris has been floating around a long time that UFOs came

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out of the water and out of the sky and attacked natives in these these out of the way communities

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with laser beams for ungodly reasons unknown reasons and it seemed to be an outlier in the history

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of UFOs and it is there were real injuries the story that's been told here in elsewhere

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is that the brazoian air force came in to do a brief investigation they stashed all the stuff in

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some secret program and and kept it bottled up for a number of years and some of it got out some

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of it ended up in Las Vegas with the bigelow organization the vast DIA program but really the

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the public's concept of what happened in calaris turned out to be wrong you know the the laser beams

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as we heard from these witnesses who were directly involved who were in the initial stories that

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appeared in newspapers all over the world they were hit with beams of light but there was a

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filament in these beams and it took blood and tissue samples there were several hundred people

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who ended up in the hospital and the doctors looked at them and thought they were anemic because

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they'd lost so much blood it was a sampling operation it wasn't an attack the people that were

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on the ground who've come forward to talk about it including some of the military guys said that

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they had videos and photos of these giant craft coming out of the river and just sitting there

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and where that film went it didn't go to bigelow in the DIA we have a pretty good idea where it did

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end up but you know there is some really strong evidence from that case hundreds of people injured

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now 40 years later or so they they see it in a much different way they were terrified at

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at the time but they realized it was some kind of a non-violent although not pleasant sampling

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operation and they're okay with it that was that that was an eye opener for me

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and when it comes to the immaculate constellation document I'm curious if maybe you want to

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explore some of the things that were said in there I know they talked about orbs being maybe

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the most prevalent there was an interesting situation of it using clouds as cover which shows

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some form of intelligence or communication in f-22 being surrounded by

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craft I'm wondering if you could talk about some of the things in that document that stood out to you

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I believe the immaculate constellation information is legitimate and I think you need to decide

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for yourself but there is footage of that there is footage of what you just said

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I didn't answer your question to borrow sorry to go back to this but I got off on the tangent

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us whole people do that the Brazilian Air Force gathered a great deal of information

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and evidence and kept it locked up for a long time and I think they did it at the behest of the

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US government they released some of it I'm pretty sure that they have released all of it or that

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we haven't released all of it but our government leans on other governments and I think other

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governments have shown that they are more inclined to release information than to be more open

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with their public several governments around the world have released all their files or at least

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the least sensitive ones and I think we are largely responsible for that I think the best

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evidence ends up being scooped up by our government and stashed who knows where I mean materials

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maybe bodies if you've seen James Fox's Marjena film I think that that's a pretty good evidence

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that some kind of a collection operation goes on all over the world we are the primary reason that

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this secret is being kept other than them whoever they are and a big topic in the public lately

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has been the drones which have now seemingly almost disappeared from media without anybody being

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given an explanation officially of where they come from what they are I'm curious if you guys

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want to talk about that a little bit and maybe confirm were some of these the size of SUVs were

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some of these able to go underwater and be submersible what information have you guys been given

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yeah look we we are people on an island as journalists like I can tell you for sure that

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contacts of mine and George has said to us that they prove to us that that objects have come

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out of the water that are pyramid shaped that hover over nuclear facilities it's insane I don't

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know what our government is going to say I don't know what our president is going to say I don't

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know anything but bottom line is you've been told there's something weird is going on but you have

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not been given an answer for it you deserve an answer like this there's your government is

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must represent you so I don't know what's going to happen with this UAP drone thing but you all

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know it's weird right yeah it's like uphology 101 90 to that 95% of everything that's reported

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is explainable in prosaic terms that's just a basic pack and I think that's true for these drones

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as well every single day if you follow twitter or facebook and the emails I get are hundreds and

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hundreds of videos and images that people have collected oh gosh there's a UFO drone mystery drone

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and most of them I'm not an image analyst I don't pretend to have any expertise but we've been

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around the topic long enough that we can scratch some things off the list and they look like airplanes

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to me a lot of the things that people are saying are mystery drones and then some of them look like

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drones a lot of them are just blobs in the sky moving around you can't tell what they are but

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the reports that we've had and from credible people of them over nuclear plants and over

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missile bases military bases Langley 17 days in a row last year then the three bases in the UK

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very sensitive installations these things come from nowhere you can't track them you don't see them

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coming in they disappear to nowhere you can't track them to see where they go that's a big serious

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matter that'll have to be alien to be frightening imagine if the Chinese actually do have drones

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that do this that can hopper over our our sensitive installations and there's none and damn think we

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could do about it we have pretty good information from the UK bases that they trying to take them

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down they used the MP and are most sophisticated anti-drone tech and it did nothing now who's got that

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tech if it's a Chinese or the Russians it's way worse than its aliens it's way worse

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shout out to Chris Sharp he's a UK journalist you know he you saw him in maybe episode one and two

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worried about me and George I'm worried about Chris Sharp because you know he's working in the UK

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system where journalists don't have as much protection I don't know what's going to happen all I

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know is that we're at a breaking point we're at a breaking point because whistleblowers are coming

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forward and we wouldn't be putting it out if it wasn't something we believed in the use of drones

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as sort of a blanket explanation for strange stuff in the skies we were just joking about a

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couple of months ago but it's drone of Paloose it's drones is the new swamp gas is that you know

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that's what you hear oh it's just drones you know 2019 off the west coast of the US 10 US Navy

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warships are buzzed by a hundred different objects over several days at night and they don't know

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where they came from they don't know where they went to just drones well one of those drones

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was captured on this thermal image the USS Omaha image a thing is round 14 feet across it followed

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the USS Omaha for an hour and after doing that it went into the water the radar information the

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Jeremy of Tains shows the screen with 14 of these things all around the ship sometimes they come

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in and they disappear from radar then they go away the US government trying to explain that as drones

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launched from some cargo ship it was bullshit it wasn't we had agents on the ground on that ship

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as soon as it got docked at Long Beach yeah and we talked with them in the FBI we made sure

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the information was correct it's crazy what's going on yeah yeah well drones become the new

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explanation for everything strange in the sky must be just drones well you know if those really

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are Chinese drones that's a really big problem and and it's not a little legitimate explanation

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for the kinds of things that people have been seeing in the sky for a long time it's almost karma

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you want to call drones here we've got some drones for you how do you like them over to Jersey

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you guys have been covering this topic for a long time you've seen a lot of changes a lot of

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things happen Jeremy when I first spoke with you you were very calm cool collected you said I'm

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the least paranoid person you'll ever meet right you feel great and then an episode of weaponized

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came out where you guys discussed a dead man switch yeah as an insurance policy yes it seemed like

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things got a little bit heated yeah and I'm curious how that felt were you ever nervous or

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their concerns for your family things like that or where were you at and why was this so different

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I don't want to talk about how I feel so see yeah it's it's it's look um the idea that

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what is going on people need to look at the information see that this is uh I have a joke

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all the king's horses and all the king's men want to shape the uap narrative again

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but that's real that's true that's a mandate mark my words one last time shape the emerging uap

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narrative with David Graschel commander framer with Brian Graves and the first hearing it was a

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sneak attack it was we me and Timber chat man we were high five and we got this shit out it was crazy

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and all of a sudden everybody swooped in for two and a half months I was under scrutiny

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with national security people on the on the bimio or whatever on the video calls trying to figure

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out mine and George's sources this shit got crazy so how do I like your question was how do I feel

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what's the difference right I am the least paranoid person that you've ever met I am I've just had

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experiences it showed me that people are trying to shape the narrative George and I are trying

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our best to get information out there the question would be maybe uh is intimidation and threats real

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uh are people killed for UFO secrets and I don't know I mean you hear these stories in uphology

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here and there when we've tried to track them down I've never actually confirmed somebody who was

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killed because of this but the intimidation is real that's real surveillance is real um tapping

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the phones is real uh and and the mind games that happened that episode that was shown in

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and uh this series in the finale of the series I was real we met met this guy in a park what we

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felt in another state that we thought it was going to be okay see this this odd vehicle it's the only

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one in in the in the park that's there ahead of us you know let's move somewhere else we go you

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know 15 minutes away go to this pizza place park on a side street that damn cars right behind

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us when we came out it was it didn't mind us knowing what they were doing it was meant to intimidate

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uh you know I with the with the secret keepers murder somebody to keep the secret I don't know

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but they've done some pretty shady stuff look what they did to take rosh they leaked these personal

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records about mental health stuff and episodes in this personal life bob was our like you know we

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saw that a long time ago with him and um uh it gets real that's some is real do you ever think

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about taking a step back when those moments happen is there any hesitancy for me they're one of you

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I was trying to take a step back

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I tried to retire

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they pulled me right back in I don't know man I mean my wife hates it why do I got a

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fucking cyber truck with a UFO plate I'm an idiot probably water let Mary Ann come up to me at

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fucking bachalis and hang out with you I don't know like it's you know it's I don't know yeah

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definitely pulled him back in but the thing is like what are you gonna do you gotta push forward

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you gotta try you gotta try yeah it sucks when it spills over to family you know it sucks you

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you imagine in America like you could do journalism without the preoccupation of uh you know fear

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I don't know we're in a new era I don't know what's gonna happen grant your journalist too we have to

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we have to uh fight for this and I want to talk about the big lie at the end of this series

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fuck I know before you had mentioned in our article that one of the greatest things our government

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could do is fake a UFO attack is this something similar when you talk about this lie would you

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care to expand on it or what would you be maybe willing to share to give some context and

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perspective to it yeah I hope I'm wrong bottom line is this is being said so the idea is

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we have to say it now if we don't say it now then we're just kind of like being participating in

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the bullshit is it true I fucking hope not one of the good things is the level of public interest

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in the topic you know Danny she and has been at this longer than I have you see it ebbs and flows

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you know there are pizza valleys and uh you know from 2017 on uh the progress that's been made is

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unimaginable compared to the glacial pace of progress 50 years prior to that you can go on you

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can do a UFO story here and there and expose something like boblas R and and it makes a little

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dent here and there but this is like a tectonic thing uh the the change that has happened since 2017

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every single day germine I get pounded by people who are uh UFO enthusiasts who just don't think

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the progress is fast enough look I'm not reading anymore these tweets until I see a body I don't

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want to hear any more UFO interviews I don't want to hear about any UFO whistleblowers until you

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open the hanger doors there's the saucer that's what I'm waiting for I want to deliver to my

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door with a sandwich every day 500 times a day every single fucking day my my responses will get

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to it I mean they're a little licensed to investigate this stuff we don't have security clearances

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you want to go get it go get it um the the level of interest among the public since that your time

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story and all the things that happens is that is through the roof and it's not just here that

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Netflix thing I did um holy crap I thought my email was crazy before uh it's three hours every day

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test a read of not let's not even answer them from Morocco and Tanzania and Tasmania and Iceland

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and Ireland and India and Costa Rica and Brazil and Chile everywhere people want to tell their

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story and share their information and they want somebody to take them seriously and there's so

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many millions of Americans who feel the same way it's a special time it's it's a great time to

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continue to push forward but man the people that uh have kept the secret bottle up for a long time

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are really good at their job they're better at their job than we are at ours can't give up yeah keep

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trying yeah yeah hold on before you do crazy questions um lester nare where are you yeah lester's

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an episode one and two I think like you know you're amazing man thank you so much for quite you

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you know both things and um I don't know if we really explained what Danny I mean you were involved

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with the Pentagon papers and litigating all of that shit back in the day so if you're not a CIA

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plant then you are a good guy and um we need your help buddy because this UFO thing it's a cover

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up we have craft of unknown origin the outpaces out maneuvers and outperforms anything that we have

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and our military service members are seeing it not only are they seeing it but they're seeing the

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cover up of it like we don't want to admit it so this is part of the problem this is part of why

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Georgia are fighting to kind of get this information out and it got a lot deeper than that but

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bottom line we need you man we need everybody to fight for this because whatever the truth is

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let's figure it out together you know and now I want to ask too you both had a series investigation

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alien UFO revolution you guys usually are the incredible tag team working together and now you

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split up and covered twice as much favorite part of each series what stood out to you George

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watching UFO revolution in germany what what stands out from investigation alien oh that that

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episode three that that's smackdown of a couple of members of congress that was pretty good uh it

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wasn't subtle at all it was like I thanks there's like uh take their clothes off and spank them

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from Georgia series what really hit me was that I'm the last one to know when he makes a discovery

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it's a great series you guys got to watch it man in george house surprised were you that on tape

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your crew was able to capture something that went into the water and you're able to see it in real

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time and how does that feel what do you think about yeah that was amazing so we send a a boat at this

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experience underwater archaeologist where we cremre with a crew out into channel islands in the area

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generally around Catalina where people keep seeing things coming in and out of the water we're

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looking for what's on the bottom of the ocean is there a structure down there is something hidden

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base is there something that would explain why these things keep popping in and out and they

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these guys have these cameras fitted on the side of the boat and this thing shows up the first

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time it was like a little toying performance it was it comes out of nowhere and it sits there and

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then it goes boom backwards an incredible speed the guys turn around to look at this camera and say

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did you see that and just as they're saying it it came back and it's right over their shoulder holy

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shit they all eventually go to sleep and leave these cameras running and then this thing

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a thing comes back and it comes from way up high comes into the shot kind of hovers there for a second

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as if it's a display and it goes right down to the just a couple of inches off the ocean

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thinking is that thing going to go in the water and it's kind of a toying teasing

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boom goes out of the water and then you can see the light moving around and you know people have

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well we must have made that up we must have staged it we didn't they didn't even see that video

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until two weeks later when they got back nobody saw it that night it's an editor that was looking

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through all the raw footage and sees holy crap you guys can a us earlier so it was a it was a great

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surprise and a great experience and makes me want to get another boat and go out there again

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I was so protective of George when he showed me the footage I'm like they're trying to

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fuck with you the government's trying to fuck with you they set up the thing the fucking

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that footage trying to fuck with you but like after I analyze it look through it and send it

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to some people I was like holy shit that might be the first us oh film by civilians in history it

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was it was so cool you should definitely check it out I'm so grateful to be working with George

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I mean like it's fun as fuck I'm not gonna complain to you that it's not fun we have a great

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time together I think it's gonna be really exciting here there's a lot of stuff coming at us George

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I can't even keep up we can't keep up with what's going on but we do know that um this is a

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moment of opportunity and I hope we take it and we'll see if it if that happens it is it's an

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exciting time yeah they said now the level of public interest here and all over the world it's an

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exciting time yeah and it'll be a shame to let this moment pass because it will pass eventually

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maybe and uh yeah and the fact is you know we keep doing this stuff and working on this because

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it is fun it's it's damn fun to work on on this mystery it's the biggest question in human history

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and it's uh it's fun as a new story and it's hard to go back to cover in city hall and crime

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and murders after you do you do a you are both thing for 38 years or so yeah after that this guy

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what's the fucking question first of all thank you so much for what you present tonight there's no

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question the thing you know in this incredible universe this yeah that this gotta be some some

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extra a terrestrial life so big question coming here we go I love it hit me and fuck her

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no so people don't understand I was saying that's the lie

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so you gotta watch it again replay the tape look man if that's true we're all fucked I don't

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know brother is there I know there's a 1970s document that tries to tell you that's what's

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happening I don't believe for a second so although I'm question why do you think the government

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is trying to hide the fact that that these extra terrestials exist yeah well we don't know for sure

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there are extra terrestials uh alien this sort of a generic term I don't use them interchangeably

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not human intelligence there are a lot of possibilities I personally think that they live here that

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they've been here a long time but I don't know where they're from maybe they were here before us but

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why the government would keep it a secret first and foremost would be national security stuff there's

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a race for that technology we're trying to get it we're trying to figure it out and and replicate it

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the Russians are the Chinese maybe Israelis I don't know other governments around the world maybe

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as well there have been crashes in other parts of the world the first nation to get that technology

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and master it and reproduce it you win so that's I don't know how you separate the national security

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concerns from that basic fact friends of ours in the intelligence apparatus have told us you can't

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tell your friends without telling your enemies so do you reveal where you are in the race for the

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technology do you admit you've got it and haven't figured it out yet do you want to let China know

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where you are in that race I think that's hard to get around secondly you know we don't really

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know what the truth is people say I'm ready for the truth I can handle the truth we don't know what

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the truth is because you know there are those who think that maybe the ultimate secret is pretty

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disturbing now there might be an angle a religious angle that would would drive people over the edge

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that they live here among us they can see everything we do they're like Santa Claus they know when

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you've been better good see you when you're sleeping in the shower in the bathroom you know they're

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separated from us by some dimensional membrane I think there are folks who would have trouble

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with that that they created religious figures that would be trouble that they've manipulated our DNA

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that they created us or that we're an agricultural product you know that they're here to harvest us

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to some degree or as bubbles are read in some document long ago that they're interested in our souls

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they see us as containers of souls you imagine how people would freak the hell out about that

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we don't know what the truth is I don't know anybody who does I know a lot of people have ideas

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about it we've been pretty far up the food chain in terms of contacting people who think they know

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but I've never met anybody who knows for sure and I'll tell you anybody who claims that

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know for sure is full crap George been at this longer than me why is this important I'm an

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I have an answer but I want to hear yours man I mean it's you know I remember having the first

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conversation with my news director after meeting Lazar we don't know what to make of this is this

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stuff true crash saucers or reverse engineering but if it is true it'd be the biggest news story in

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history so I've always looked at it's not my religion it's a news story and good gosh it if it was

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true and you could prove it that they had these craft out and then about a desert trying to take

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them apart to figure out how they worked that is just about as big a story as you're ever going to

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get confirmation of another intelligence whether it's from out there or interdimensional or it's us

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as time travelers you know I think it's it's always been important but maybe we're at a point

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now where we can understand it you know we're on the cusp of widespread AI use maybe they wanted

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to get us to this point so we can communicate with them on a semi equal level I mean they're whoever

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they are there are so far ahead of us it's amazing they pass any attention at all maybe they're

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more interested in the planet than they are in in us but you know from the testimony of people

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all over the world have had these close encounters they do seem to care about humans they have an

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interest in what we do to each other they tell us over and over these alien editorials take

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care of your planet what poisoning the the world you live in knock it off of the nuclear weapons

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you know trying to get us to pay attention that you know they care about the planet too and maybe they

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live here and what they do care about us you know we have a unique opportunity because the level of

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of public interest the level of media interest and until this hearing the level of honest

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congressional interest to to make a difference it it has to be here we have to do it because as

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I mentioned before I think the US uses its its influence to pressure our allies to keep a

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muzzle on this I don't know how the world would react if Russia or China are the one to make the

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announcement but it should be us so whatever is happening on the big scale on the big time scale

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I think we can handle it there are people that don't want you to know the fact is this has been

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happening for a long time as you've kind of highlighted millennial it's happened for a long time

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yeah so I don't know what's going to happen next but I just know that if we keep being honest we

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keep being open we keep talking about it I don't know it's uh we're going to learn something I don't know

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20-25 there's a new administration they have a lot of changes coming up do you have any expectations

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for maybe potential disclosure and when it comes to who people can trust can they trust

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Arrow can they trust Congress who can they trust or are we but on our own

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fuck you take this I don't have me well until recently I would have said you could trust at least

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the animated members of Congress who are actively interested in the topic I'm not so sure right now

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can we trust Arrow obviously not I think there is a changing of the guard at Arrow we'd like to give

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the the new guy Kanslowski a benefit of the doubt people that we know speak of him and it with

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high regard that he's not another Sean Kirkpatrick I hope hope that is the case we've heard those

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kinds of things before we've also heard things before about disclosure oh yeah it's right around

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the corner here it comes Carter's going to do it and President Ford's going to do it

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oh President Reagan he's deep in the UFOs he's going to do it Bill Clinton is deep in the UFOs

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he's going to do it still wait you know so promises of disclosure or dime it doesn't I don't believe

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any of them but there are some interesting look I'll admit I'm not happy about Trump being the

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next president I think his interest in the topic is about that deep but he has made some statements

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hasn't made some statements yeah I think I'd like to unleash some files and people around him

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more more interestingly have said some very dramatic things his nominee for CIA has been pretty

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outspoken and saying yeah this is real we need to get to the bottom of it Marco Rubio's got to be

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his secretary of state he's been a leading force in the Senate in pushing this forward he had

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all kinds of briefings behind closed doors before anybody here ever heard about before so

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I think there are some encouraging signs those are some of the people who be in

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keep positions wanted to happen more importantly the people who are behind the scenes real power

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real money also seem to want it to happen and they can get their hands on the tech maybe they'll

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make a breakthrough that was George Naps like silver lining he said to me in the car right up

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I was he's like well despite all the people backstabbing you have changed in the European narrative and

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do not he's like it might be good to change the guard it's more people working on this shit I mean

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it it it is what so so here's the bottom line all I know about UFOs they're real and we've been

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reverse engineering them for exploitive technologies we've been doing that our government's been doing

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that it's been in private industry they haven't gotten very far his friend tried to get it

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transferred to a government program called all sap these acronyms they tried to get it over there

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so they could open up this egg-shaped UFO they breeched the hole of it they were able to get inside of

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it the head of the DIA of a program admitted it on our podcast he's straight fucking said it

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it's not headline news oh by the way I just got a technology we got inside of it

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but here's the deal I think George and I would go to our grave saying that is true there's technology

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non-human technology and we've been trying to reverse engineer and exploit it in the US we don't

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want to admit it commander David Frava said to me UFOs to the United States it's like an alcoholic

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until we admit there's a problem we're never going to be able to deal with it that's commander

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David Frava patriot guarded Los Angeles during 9-11 this guy is straight up like until we admit it

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we're never going to be able to deal with it that's where we're at right now so I don't know like

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that you know what what is the UFO what what are they what do they represent to humanity we talk

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about Congress and all these lies and the controlling of the narrative ultimately the reason it's

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in movies the reason it's a Congress because of you like that's the reason the reason is because

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people see them I don't know if that's your question but that's my answer I mean with that huge

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change is it people feeling more comfortable sharing their stories now is it just becoming more

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prevalent do we have more time to look up what are maybe the reasons that it's gotten so huge such

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as you know the drone story yeah I think that's an element of it is that the stigma has gone down

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in auto too since 2017 once mainstream media once the New York Times did that story other media

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peeked out of their hole they thought okay it's safe to do this and once mainstream media

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cover it members of Congress took an interest and and once they did it was then suddenly academia

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a scientist started looking into it and that's a that's a that's a seeking it's your voice it's you

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giving a fuck it makes any of this happen now I'm not going to rely everything on Congress I'm

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going to rely on George fucking nap and journalism I'm going to rely on grant I'm going to rely on

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us moving this forward but you are absolutely right people have to make some noise but just to make

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sure you understand you haven't seen two episodes this is the third episode that that that document

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right you should be very aware that on congressional record they lied this is important I did a tweet

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I was like what the fuck where's that 12 page because I delivered 12 pages and and and and they

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faked a page on congressional record Congress put a fake blank page on congressional record to try

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to tell you a lie if you're not curious why they would do that what happened why is it really

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lying about a clerical error and a bigger question is why would they not take the opportunity to have

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that witness test of I he he was introduced to them he offered to be there in person we keep hearing

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this why not hands on whistleblower somebody who's seen this stuff or knows about it with their own

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eyes and and can testify it firsthand why don't they testify this guy was ready to do it is maybe

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still ready to do it and they didn't make it happen they didn't didn't pursue it at all why not I

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can't this is too too long a conversation but but the thing is is like George and I tried to

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provide the best information they were asking whatever it was a two and a half month long

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interrogation into Georgia's and my sources and what we could bring in lester I'm curious to get

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your so we always hear what's the idea that there's the legacy program right yeah as uniquely

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different it seems than a macular constellation yeah and so I I just want to get your thoughts

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why did a macular constellation get created like how how do you kind of decipher

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its creation which was likely a reaction to like Lou and Chris Malin all these guys coming forward

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I just want to get your thoughts about the existence of it has been unique from the legacy program itself

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great fucking question lester nary guys you got to follow what he did great fucking question lester

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well legacy programs that how we use the term it i'm referring to those that are actually dealing

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with the hardware that technology reverse engineering crash retrieval maybe the bodies as well

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the goods the goodies this one is dealing with imagery it's gathering the best imagery can find from

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whatever servers exist what they're doing with it i don't know that we actually know what they're

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doing with it but it's two different operations sort of under the same umbrella like amazing question

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because here's the deal so what lester's asking is there's been a i call it legacy architecture

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there's been a legacy architecture for 70 to 90 years about you you know you're not supposed to

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know that we're reverse engineering UFOs of non human origin here's the deal there was an accidental

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exposure to the author of a macular constellation they go in this story we told later but they

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essentially get all this information and they're like like exactly what i would do right

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what happened was as soon as all of that information came out luah lasondo the idea david grush

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right the legacy architecture the people that have ownership of the materials was like oh we got to

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get on this so what they do is they start taking every asset that we have from space to air to see

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and they start saying even with a i they start saying we're going to scrub this we're going to

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collect it we're going to bring it by the way i'll just say it right now why could shoes and go

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say that this was not a do d yeah a do d u at u a us a p right

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unignal and special acts program why could they do that legitimately neatly because it was out

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of the white house so that's that is the truth about it so what they did was they collected all the

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sources from air to space to see now where that archive is i don't know but a lot of it is on

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massive service like j wicks and cipranet and all these classified servers you have all these u a p

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and they're just pulling them pulling them pulling them in they bring them in that's what you

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learned about yeah there's clearly an effort to repatriate control of information yeah because

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of people it was response man it was response it was because the whole world's on fire about UFOs

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we're going to respond we're going to collect this data we're going to control it and we're going

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to shape the emerging u a p narrative that's what you're seeing right now again all the king's

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horses and all the kings man i'd like your perspective on michael shelonberg and his potential

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role in this how did he get called this witness who is this guy and because i've not heard of him

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before the hearing but you sure have you know him better than i do so i'd like to just hear your

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thoughts on why was he given credit for the report and why and because there's some tie there

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yeah there's and i it's it's a fucked up situation mark that's mark from the ohi

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ballin magazine good question mark should i answer this yes yeah yeah i don't fucking know

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i'm having PTSD watching that why do you lie about like if somebody says you oh yeah i just

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like put a little mascara on like what are you fucking lying like i don't know you're supposed to be

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like somebody who's credible somebody that fights for human rights for you know righteousness

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against government maybe damn be better to answer this i don't fucking know all i know is that if

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you lie about something like a little thing in our business like me and george if you knowingly lie

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your bought so the question is why do you do that what are you doing can people trust you i can

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never walk somebody into a congressional office again and say hey buddy you're safe these are

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trusted people come walk in with me everything's okay i can't do it anymore i i don't know man you

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gonna have to ask him i think he needs to explain to you why he lied i met with him the night before

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and showed up the document i don't know if we're gonna put this in our weaponized book but i did

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that's the truth so Danny maybe you could answer this but like just clarify he had never seen

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a document till the night before the document that congress gave him credit for submitting did you

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guys understand that in in the series like two months before that i took this huge risk and i

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put somebody else at risk and i said you can trust these congressional members and i went into

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birch's office we gave him a 22 page version of the mac the constellation document i brought the

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human being in with us Ryan he was embedded in our camera crew pretending he was our camera crew

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or just with us and i said hey rep birch it do you trust me he's like yeah i'm like

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i'm bringing somebody in all cameras are leaving just you and me and a guy and he's like cool

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he trusted me then i did it again with rep lunas then i did it again with Nancy Mase i was trying

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to see if this whistle is gonna tell them the same thing they told me how do i trust this person

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well if they're telling a congress person and they're saying they're gonna testify and they show

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them the real name and all the info all their background and this is what this is the way i bet people

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i know it's crazy to bet people this way but i bet it him this way so so big picture right mark

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you're asking someone to answer you big picture i was trying to bring first hand whistle

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or public George was supposed to testify he told them what he would offer i was supposed to testify

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as soon as they i gave them what i would give them like the actual they were trying to get me into a

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room man to see if i had videos and that kind of thing if George and i had collected stuff it was a

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setup man it was so weird so i don't know i just shella burger has the answer for himself

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why didn't he correct the record i'm sitting right there as soon as Nancy Mase says that i go

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hey michael i yell at him i go hey michael she just lied are you gonna correct the record i

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thought they're gonna kick me out of congress did you hear me say it Danny i was there yeah i was like

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hey michael and he like turned and like a zombie look back forward he was part of it man now what

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is part of it i don't know the positioning people they're ordaining people to be the people that

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speak for this issue that is i think the real story i think you're right no i that's the obvious

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answer here it's the obvious answer i i think it's true i think there's people in position

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that they want to shape the emerging uap narrative and i think people can be bought

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and i think they've testified seventeen fucking times to congress because they're bought

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but i i don't know you should ask the human being and not me i can talk about me what i know is i

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thought fucking hard to protect whistleblowers and i know i'll never trust that system again i think

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George can answer this he has seen this for forty years it is being covered up why George why

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well i think we talked about a little bit earlier i don't know that anyone for sure knows the truth

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just you know the the modern era began right after world war two we've come out of this terrible war

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tens of millions of people died suddenly these things started peering over sensitive installations

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and we don't know what they are do we really want to tell the public that something that's flying

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over our most sensitive installations that we don't know where it's from we can't do anything

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about it so i think there was probably a legitimate reason for a cover up then and then as time

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went on and you know there's a congressional investigator who came to see me in the early 90s

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because of when you go to area 51 look around and and poke ground at e g and g some of these other

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companies where the stuff was supposedly stashed and he said look i didn't find what i was looking for

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but i'll tell you i think it the cover up is real and they are hiding this and when we get to

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the bottom of it some of them are going to go to jail they're going to go to prison for diverting

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legitimate national security funds to keep this cover up going that's one reason you know that

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i think there are probably bigger questions and and reasons that i don't know uh you know

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what the ultimate truth is we can handle the truth again same thing we don't know what the

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ultimate truth is i don't know anyone who does know what it is maybe there are several different

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answers several different kinds of non human intelligence there are extraterrestrial interdimensional

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time travelers crypto terrestrials ultra terrestrials a lot of different names for it pixies

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trolls knowns i mean they take different shapes the craft take different shapes they can manipulate

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our consciousness and our perception of them we don't know what the hell they are that's very scary

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you know so i think probably the reason for the cover up stuff started out for good reasons

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we're past that now you know we're past that marga just want to say so people are being ordained

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to be put in place to shape the emerging UP narrative we're very direct with you like i might be

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wrong all y'all i might be wrong but i see it happening people are being ordained to be put in

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place to be spokesperson this is about money this is about reverse engineering this is about patents

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this is about who's going to get the exploited technology from lock-heat martin who has a craft

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a UFO a non human intelligence craft dr james locats give him the di told us so and it is true

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and they're trying to see what corporation they could put it to so they're they're free from foya

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it's about money it's about control and you're seeing it happen in real time i don't know what

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the fuck happened to congress it was weird should have been a clerical error but i experienced it so

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it's personal i'm a journalist i'm trying to tell the truth grant experience a grant and marry

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in with their in the white house press corps and they saw it go down and i warned you was going to

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go down i warned you something was going to be fucked up right and here we go what's happening

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don't know but i don't we're going to report the fuck out of it yes you do yeah we will please

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let that yeah that's what's up especially that you fucking well you're gonna give it up for

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George nap and Jeremy Corvall thank you so much that's okay you know not to be the dead horse

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here but there's a couple of things i think we should review after that q and a session they helped

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like a lot of good questions were asked there for one thing you know in my take on what happened in

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dc at that hearing it was a gift that it played out this way if that hadn't been done and since a

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clumsy heavy handed way where they had to flip over their cards and show its in their hand

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it wouldn't have been as obviously you couldn't make the argument that somebody there's a

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changing of the guard there's a new system in place to control the flow information and to

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control the narrative uh i think they made a terrible error and it was a gift both to your tv

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series and to the public understanding this issue yeah it was fucking dramatic i mean what you're

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talking about one of the elements you're talking about is when i raised the quote i was shocked

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i was sitting there shocked because this had been months of preparation guarding and protecting a

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whistleblower walking that whistleblower into offices for months prior hand feeding information

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all the way along to make sure that nobody got twisted or in trouble and then to hear

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Nancy Mace credit shellum burger for delivering on a congressional record a document that she knew

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i brought her two months prior with the person that authored it it was it was so surreal i was like

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this is gotta be an error like right just correct the error because this is important this is

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chain of custody this is me protecting sources i gave my word how this was gonna go down

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but what you're referring to and this one really creep me out when she started saying oh i want to

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think michael shelmer for delivering 12 pages a 12 page document to congress i knew i knew that

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that 12 pages the one the context page that i put on there they put 12 pages on the congressional

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record after i called it out and it was blank they fabricated to congress fabricated a fake 12th

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page on congressional record does that not raise alarms for people i mean the it's almost hilarious

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i mean in the sense the representative mace says thanks for this 12 page document when in fact

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they'd already removed the top page and it was only 11 page document and then the next day in order to

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clarify that she what didn't make a mistake they added another page to bring it up to 12 it was

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it was preposterous unbelievable they thought i'd just be silent about you know look at that

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and that's just one lie that you know that's the problem we we have if we have a system where people

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are supposed to trust it and they're willing to um change reality just change a basic fact about

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whistleblowers coming in what the fuck um you know so i see our usual winers and grippers on

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various platforms who are saying this is all about your ego you want credit for it it was so much

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more than that i mean we were involved in conversations with the house staff about that hearing

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four months about what they wanted to do they were asking us if we wanted to be part of it

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and what we could bring to the table and we were ready to help them with any number of different

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uh bits of information and witnesses you went to the trouble of bringing the guy who wrote the document

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the immaculate constellation document into three congressional offices he was really ready to go on

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on the record he was ready to testify it didn't happen that's a big deal right and so that's where it

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gets it gets complicated um i was there representing and and look that was the idea originally was i was

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gonna testify and i was gonna hide of no andiays i have no allegiances like here's the deal i was

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gonna say it like it is and bring either people in with me to testify or represent them until they're

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ready to show their faces i mean that's and then the moment they asked okay what do you have physically

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tangibly that you could you know put on record the moment i put that to them it was like this silence

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boom and they get somebody else to testify i'm like okay maybe that's better right another person

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testifies but they were trying to get from me names of people that would put them in jeopardy and i

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know i knew i could feel they did not want them to testify i even asked them to get a subpoena for

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somebody and it became this like dance they asked that you and i bring assets to show them some

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stuff we were gonna i mean it was like i'm not articulating it well but it was a fucking setup

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it was they there was a data collection and infert information collection campaign

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they had no intention of putting the real deal up there except you know we did get

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Lou we did get admiral gal that which is great and our and the guy mike who is really great

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now now shelon burger did good stuff what what he did was represent the voiceless

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it was just the control system in place to shape the narrative that i think is so

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dangerous i think it's so dangerous people don't even understand the night before the hearing

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you showed that document to michael shelon burger i did and it's the first time you ever saw it

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yeah he did not have that document he knows that and then the next day when the committee

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opens his hearing they thank him for submitting a document that he'd never seen until the night before

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yeah so and that was the point was that it's good when people divide and conquer when it comes

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i was really happy that this other journalist was talking with the author to get it out through

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public right or public whatever it's like yeah i was really glad but then um the fact you don't

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correct the record right because i had put in my word that i could protect this individual and

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walk them into offices again wait but this is before it was even public the words are public

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i just i i don't fully grasp it yet i could care like this is not um hey you turned in my homework

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for me what this is is when i give somebody a word i'm gonna protect them i'm gonna do it a certain

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way i'm gonna get it done this way and i get absolutely blindsided and then nobody corrects the record

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i can't then say to another whistleblower hey i have trusted people they're not going to shape this

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they're going to say it like it is i'm going to bring you in do you see that that puts me in a really

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bad yeah obviously i know situation you know we we interact with whistleblowers all the time yeah

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and and trust is a is a major part of those conversations yeah and if you know this experience

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has sort of really destroyed our ability to make promises to them that they'd be taken care of

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it is not about you getting credit for submitting the document or your mad because you're not one of

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the witnesses to testify it's not that at all um it's about controlling the narrative and

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it's a little frightening about where it's going to go what comes across to me is there's a power

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grab a changing of the guard if these materials that we're talking about both the images that were

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collected by immaculate constellation and the meta materials crash saucers those things the

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holy grail the goodies are changing hands from the aerospace companies that have stashed that stuff

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for decades to the tech and space folks who are coming in with a new trump administration and who

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have great influence in congress that's a big deal it's a big story yeah and and i think that that

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is what we're seeing this does come down to money and power or control over the technology i know

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people might not be there yet but that is the actual functional reality that we're living in

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is that we are now being told UFOs are real that they're that we have obtained technologies

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that we haven't gotten very far exploiting them for derivative technologies so there is a push

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right now to get that out the back door places like lockheed and in the stove pipes of compartmentalization

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and bring them into industry in a way where they can be really exploited but whoever gets that that's

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a lot of money that's a contract that's patents yeah i don't want to bash michael shelon burger i don't

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know the guy i've never talked to him he seems like a bright guy and as and he broke the story on a

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macular constellation he got it out there which is why he's called as a witness for this but the

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fact that he did not correct thing on the record after he's identified thank you michael shelon burger

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for submitting this document that he had never seen before until the night before why he didn't

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correct right how you understand he had been informed obviously talking with you know the whisper

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yeah on enough to write the article but it was clear as day that you know i was fighting to get

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that in a very trusted way onto congressional record where wouldn't be manipulated it wouldn't be

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rejected right that it was it was this months of making sure hey because this once you do this

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this guy's exposed i mean you can't take that back the last thing he's done it hasn't done yet

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has shown his face you know and his real full name and that's coming and so that's kind of like

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i don't know man it's not about correcting the record it's just it's putting ordained people in

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place that you're supposed to trust but i see that sometimes people's ambitions get ahead of

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protection and in this world of whistleblowers you need to be able to protect people there needs to

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be chain of custody for trust again i would say the way that this was so ham-fisted and obvious

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isn't kind of a gift right as it allows people to see through the smoke and mirrors here

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and as far as if there is in fact a changing of the guard and that they're the materials that

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are we're talking about are going to be transferred from the old aerospace giants who kept it for

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all these years and done very little with it into the hands of tech bros space pioneers i don't

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care i don't have a horse in that race yeah if they can exploit it and if it benefits america the us

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great i'd rather see us get it than the chinese or russians because they're working at it as well

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yeah i mean god damn this is a race this is a a race for technology if we've gotten to the

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emission now that we have craft you know which you know you reported on back in 1989 but now that

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the public is kind of up to date you know crash retrievals the whole thing that if this is true

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which we believe it is then we're in a race we're in a race to to make sure that that we can

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get the derivative technologies based on this america the constellation that was a big story yeah

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um the hearing having a giving it credibility that's a big story but there's still more to be told

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on this you know it'd be really interesting to eventually hear directly from the key witness

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uh that'd be pretty cool wouldn't yeah i think there's a big story to tell there and i think

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that people need to hear that to understand the value of what's um authored in the america

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constellation official document because what that was just to be really clear was in an individual

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inspired to tell the truth and what they stumbled upon was a lot of what we suspected was going on

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a data collection program even using artificial intelligence to siphon off the uap from all of our

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military assets from space to air to see that's what a maclit constellation a big part of it was

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was pulling all that visual data into a place or repository so it can be analyzed and understood

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so there's a lot to tell about maclit constellation i think at this point the world needs to hear

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directly from the author you know uh the final thought that the ufl public is a little bit spoiled

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these days you know it seems like every other day there's a new whistleblower coming out with a

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story about this and that and pieces of video and oh my gosh how do you keep up with it all of it

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we do it for a job we can't keep up with all of it just caution words of caution take it with a grain

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of salt you know how perilous this topic has been and how uh the credibility of witnesses uh

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ebbs and flows over the years so i would i would be cautious in in how much credibility

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anybody gives to a particular whistleblower including this one and we'll take it step by step

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that's right yeah i think it takes time to unravel that so what you're saying to the public

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is that we need to uh be paced when new people come forward because you're going to have

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disinformation coming as well as good information it almost feels like what the basketball term

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is flooding my zone you know uh there's so much coming out of various degrees of credibility that

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it's hard for the general public and the ufl public to judge what's real and what isn't

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yeah it's kind of chaotic right now and you don't know where to put your trust you know look we

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do our best is journalists to take years to to to that people we there there are people coming

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forward that will be working with us and this isn't like something we learned about last week

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these will be people that we've been in contact with for a durational periods of time so if we can

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achieve that if there's a climate with it people feel that they they need to now come forward by face

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and name um i'm all for that we will try our best to make sure that the information we bring

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forward is of high value that theater was pretty cool there's a fun um fun situation yeah thanks to

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the the folks who own that we aren't inviting us therefore yeah David David David yeah yeah anyway

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we'll see you again okay thanks man

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never have so few at so much to tell but but say so little

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