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One of the things we talked about the Austin show that, you know, haven't talked about before,
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so it might be kind of fun to talk about, but I've said, I spent a long time about a year
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hunting down a guy who claimed to operate in a UFO crash retrieval program. And this was based
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out of the Nevada test and training range in the early 2000s. This individual would dress up in
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mop gear, mission oriented protective posture. And essentially his job was to get debris,
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help get craft either loaded up onto CHM 847s or get debris into Konex containers to be shipped out.
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You know, he would follow several scientific teams and several armed teams that, you know,
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Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, and Delta. And this guy has claimed to have been on, you know,
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eight retrievals up to eight really interesting ones. Egg-shaped craft was the most common.
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But he was sheep dipped out of the army. According to him, sheep dipped, meaning
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taken elsewhere and put into a weird black program. And this, the training for this program was out of
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the Nevada test and training range. And the books they had, the briefing books were from the NRO,
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NRO joint task force. So this, this crash retrieval team seemed to operate quasi army, quasi NRO. But
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during their briefings, there were, there was extensive, you know, discussion of program secrecy.
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You know, you don't even, they use fake names, right? They used Irish names to,
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so they don't use their real identity. And you don't talk to your brothers about,
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you know, your history, your real name, all that. And one of the security briefings was
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an example of a man who had violated program protection structure before and caused a
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cataclysmic shift in the security of the programs. And though he wasn't mentioned by name, the,
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the outline security breach was the story of Bob Lazar.
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Whoa. And I, I've always found that so interesting because I, I have to remain agnostic
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to Bob in my research and in my videos, just because I've been infatuated with his story
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since a child. I just, I have to remain agnostic.
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Yeah, but that, that, and because there is like a, a sort of, his story is so real, so, so jarring
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if real, that it has to be the one that they try and debunk. Well, and because if they let
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that one go, yeah. Uh, the whole stack of Jenga blocks falls over.
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Another interesting thing about this specific individual, when the CH 47s, MH 47s would deliver
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craft parts, once they were within the, the Nevada test site, they would be delivered to Papoose Lake
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in two different areas. Hmm. So probably the S4 crowd specifically coming to collect those vehicles.
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Right. Yeah. Crazy. Going back to the 4chan guy, this person, I don't believe also, I don't believe
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that there was like a liver cancer situation. Right. I think that was like the easiest thing
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to debunk out of the whole document. Even a lot of the comments were like so easy to trace.
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Mm-hmm yeah. It's not everybody has liver cancer. I think that's just to throw off the trail. Do you,
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definitely we talked about this, but on red herring, yes. On Reddit, there was the guy who
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produced some big, low, advanced aerospace, big, low, advanced aerospace, space systems,
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documents, bass documents, and Tic Tac claimed that Tic Tac was ours and that there were 2000 saps
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dealing with, uh, UFO legacy programs, which, you know, that might be accurate. You don't need that
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many people to create a SAP and so forth, but this guy also stated he was sick with cancer and that was
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a lie. Like I, I know that person, I know who that is. And, um, that was just a red herring to
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completely, to try and make interested parties reading that document, think that guy was old
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and possibly sick with cancer of old age. A reason to come public. Right. Because they wouldn't just
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buy the reason of fuck it. Here you go. Um, yeah, that makes sense. And you know, there's been a lot
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of subsequent Reddit slash 4chan quote unquote leaks or whistleblowers. Um, and a lot of them
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have been really interesting. A lot of them deal with lore, they deal with this and that, but there
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was one, I think the only other one, there's two other ones that I hold in higher conviction than
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the others. One had to deal with the molecular biologist that sort of, uh, goes through the
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anatomy of the grays that, you know, seemingly were pulled from a craft that were like mangled.
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Uh, that one I hold in really high regard because there's a, there's so many interesting
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connections. Have you read that one? Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't have the scientific expertise to be able
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to. Neither do I. Begin to parse through the information. Yeah, no, I had to, I had to use,
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you know, community and, um, AI to, to get through that. But, you know, for the most part, there are some
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really, really interesting things that you can look at past all of the organs and, you know,
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the secretion of the, you know, excrement through the skin, creating this like ammonia sense and like,
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uh, uh, all, all of these things that line up with, you know, modern alien lore. Uh, there is
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something where they talk about the brain and he goes, the studying of the microtubules was paramount
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for him. Interesting. Yeah. That was his, he was like, he was given like, he had two tasks and
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like the number one task. One was like, uh, you know, I, I, I forget what one was, but the, the one
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that was more important was sort of gene sequencing or looking at the DNA to figure out what the formula
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was to create these microtubules that exist in the alien brain. And they had brains that were 20%
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larger and they had, you know, a larger lung sack so it could produce more oxygen because it had a
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bigger brain, it needed more oxygen, like all these really interesting, you know, um, physical
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attributes. But the one that really stuck out with me was the microtubules. And I'm sure,
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you know, I'd, I'd be interested to hear what like Hal put off would have to say about that.
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You should get him on here and I'll also ask him about his exposure with legacy programs.
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What's, what's your opinion on Hal?
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Yeah. Uh, lifelong spook probably did some work with Northrop Grumman in the past. Um,
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and definitely has not been totally transparent about his involvement,
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but you're talking about these.
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Tell us how you really feel.
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Well, you're talking about these Reddit and 4chan like whistleblower ones. Have you read,
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I think it was May, 2024, the XOGA contractor, um, whistleblower testimony, if you want to call it
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Oh, that is that the one that corroborates the, the, the initial 4chan one with, uh, uh, where
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they see the underground, the underwater, the giant underwater, um, USO.
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No, it's much more sober than that. It's, it's super simple and it's become one of my favorite.
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One of these anonymous testimonies.
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What's it? Can you go, can you say it again?
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Yes. So it was taken off of Reddit like any good thing, but it's called X OGA contractor.
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I might have. Okay, go ahead.
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So OGA here in this sense is not the CIA's office of global access started by CIA deputy,
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DS and he deputy director, Doug Wolf back in 2003. OGA here means other government agency. A lot of
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the time when people retire from special forces or so forth, they'll work under an OGA meaning
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they'll contract under an agency that they kind of need to keep vague. So this individual here was
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part of the air forces, uh, soft unit, special forces unit, um, the 24th STS special tactics
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squadron, which is a tier one unit under JSOC joint special operations command. This individual claimed,
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you know, when he was done with service in the 24th STS, he moved on to become a contractor for
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an OGA. It's probably agency still because he was overseas. And then when it's overseas,
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it's probably the CIA. Yeah.
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And so he's just doing general contracting and so forth. And you know, he, he recalls,
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so he's doing general contracting and there comes in a flight of C one thirties, AC one or C one 30
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planes. And there was no manifest that these planes are coming in. There's nothing saying that these
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are landing, but he sees his old troop chief get off the C one thirties and he sees his troop chief,
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old troop chief. When he was in the 24th STS immediately board, I think it's a CH 47 helicopter
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and fly off. And he's like my old troop chief. That's interesting. And previously there had been
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some weird stuff with his troop chief. Like, uh, you know, when they were in the 24th STS,
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the troop chief just randomly disappeared for like a week or so and came back. They thought there was
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a death in his family or something, but he came back. Um, the XOGA contractor was also kind of
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non-plus the troop chief was there in whatever country this was. Cause he knew the troop chief was
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playing fantasy football in Virginia just a couple of days prior. Cause they were in the same league.
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So I think it's at dawn the next day, the plane lands again, or sorry, the CH 47s. And he sees,
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you know, his troop chief and other probably contractors get back onto the C or C one thirties.
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The troop chief looks super like dazed. He looks exhausted. He looks confused. And, uh, the XOGA
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contractor tries to run up and talk to him and is immediately chastised and got in trouble. He just
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heard from the troop chief. We retrieved something and that was it. And so this XOGA contractor is
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chastised and so forth, but cut to when he's done contracting for probably the CIA, he finally meets
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up with the old troop chief. And the troop chief essentially said that he was part of a parallel
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unit to J sock joint special operations command that served for retrievals of craft of unknown origin
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in as many years within J sock in this parallel unit that had its own siloed umbrella authority.
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He had only been on four, either three or four retrievals that recent one, why he was so messed
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up is his crew was sent out to the retrieval of an egg shaped craft, only a little bit larger than an
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SUV. This craft seemed to just be metallic in a singular color. And it seemed to impact the earth at a
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very fast speed, but there wasn't damage. There wasn't fire. This thing seemed to be like a bowling
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ball dropped from the sky. Right. Weird. Just completely ballistic impact damage.
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This like it was like someone laid an egg. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. This troop chief said
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the air around the craft felt soupy. And also he felt like there was a weird smell, which kind of
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combines what Dylan Borland said about the triangle over Langley and Jonathan Wagant with the weird
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mother of Pearl effect and just feeling strange around the craft. He observed this, uh,
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egg was cracked. And of course the interior, something we've talked about looked like nesting
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dolls, layers upon layers of whole. And that was the story. The, the troop chief was never told what
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it was just that it was not made by us and that he had been on similar retrievals before. The reason
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I put so much credence in this story is just the language used it's ultra specific, ultra, you know,
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air force guy language. And that's the type of retrieval encounter I've come to understand is,
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is true. And that's the exact protocol for retrieval. So. And that's what you've sort of.
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Encountered as well with a lot of the people that you've spoken to is like these egg shaped.
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That eggs are very common. I mean, you know, a good bit about them.
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Jake, Jake Barber was, I think the person who a lot of people, you know, um, refer to when speaking
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about the egg craft, uh, how high is your conviction on that egg video being real?
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The one that we never got shown ultra high.
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No, the one that we did get.
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Oh, I don't know about that. I don't care about, I don't care about that egg video. There was supposed
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to be a different one. Why it was not shown. I don't know, but this video was supposed to be
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body camera footage.
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Uh, says individuals that I'm, I'm quite close with that. You know, I, I, I'm not gonna portray their
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confidence here. Right. But where did you hear this? You heard it from them? Has anyone else
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talked about this? A couple of people. And I'm sure people watching now will have heard in rumor
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circles of a different video that was supposed to go on, go around. As far as I've heard as well,
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that's very true. Yeah. This one, apparently the, they just spoke about recently that it was dropped
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off in the snow and there was some weird sort of like, yeah, bizarre handling of this, uh, USB key.
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Right. Right. But the, that video from what I understand pales in comparison to the video that
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was supposed to be shown. What's the difference?
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Well, the, the, the video that was shown on news nation is an egg whose size you can't really gauge
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from the camera shot dangling under a single hook on a, uh, basically a single rope under a, a small
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chopper. But this other video was supposed to be axion body camera footage or helmet cam from a GoPro
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of a retrieval team actually standing within arm's distance of a retrieved egg craft.
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And the egg looked the same?
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It looked white and seemed to exhibit a mother of pearl effect.
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A mother of pearl effect.
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Similar to what Jonathan Wagan described like oil on water.
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Weird tiling. That's bizarre.
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The weird, the weird tiling is strange because this is also what you hear about those giant black
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sort of pyramid shaped crafts as well.
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And then glyphic writing on some craft as well.
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That's just so strange.
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I mean, Lou, who was sitting there last year, he was telling me that, you know, for the first time
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I was like, oh, you have, you've seen writing on eggs before specifically. And he goes, yes.
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And I was like, well, hold on, like etched or, and he's like, no, etched into the egg.
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There's like writing on craft. Like he confirmed that, that he saw those images.
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That's kind of what I've heard too. Um, really?
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Yeah. One of my favorite crash retrieval cases is really little known, but I talk about it a lot.
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It's a maritime crash retrieval that occurred off the coast of Aberdeen, Scotland in 1992.
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And it was a DSRV deep submergence rescue vehicle team that pulled up this triangle from like 10,000
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feet underwater. And that this triangle had no cockpit, no landing gear seemed to be made of one
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shape rounded edges, but had glyphic writing all around the side of it.
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Yeah. And you see that with Kecksburg as well, right?
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Yeah. Mm-hmm. A lot of crafts have, have that, uh, even, even the one that Jeremy Weeks saw,
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which was a disc. It also had this like glyphic sort of writing. Uh, you look at Rendlesham,
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same thing. Let me ask you this, Chris.
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Who's that for? I don't, I don't know.
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You know what I mean? Cause like if, if, hypothetically, if I am traveling to a
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different planet and I'm doing reconnaissance or I'm doing anything whatsoever, I'm making sure
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that my craft has no language on it. Right.
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I'm making sure that I don't have a Northrop or a Lockheed sticker on my craft. If I'm going to Mars
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and exploring another civilization that's living there. The last thing I want to do is for them
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to like, go, Oh, you know, look at that logo. We've seen that before. You're stripping it of all of the
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things before you're sending it to a planet. Yeah. So what that tells me, like what that might
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say about these crafts is that a, this is, this craft isn't meant to be here or B there's something
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here that can identify it. Yeah. It, it almost that practice of like etching in symbology into a
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vehicle or something of great importance almost seems archaic to us. Like that's like putting
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large skunk works decals and stickers on the U two spy plane that was shot over, over Russia.
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It depends what it says. Right. Right. Because if it's not just a decal, it could say something
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like, Oh, rescue craft. Don't worry. We're here. Or like whatever that is. But what I'm saying is
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that like that, that has to be for something. Right. So there's something out there that can read
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that language. Who knows? Maybe it just says no step in their language. Like we put on a lot of
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airframes. Sure. But again, it's still interesting. But again, you're writing it on a craft and you're,
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you know, hovering around this planet with beings who can't read it. So why is that? So it's either
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you're not supposed to be there. This craft wasn't meant to be here. It was meant to be somewhere else
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where people can read that. Or there are people here. I assume people are non-people, whatever that
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can read that. Right. That has to be the only two options. Like that could suggest there's a more
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permanent NHI station that is supposed to adhere to that language. What else does it suggest?
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It suggests that it's either not supposed to be here, it's here by mistake, or something can read
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that that's on the ground. That's like, or, or elsewhere in the sky that needs to read it.
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Well, whether it's the 4chan whistleblower or so many other, so many other testimonies,
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there's plenty to reference of a different NHI species with a permanent or semi-permanent presence
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on this planet. Yeah. Which is both awe-inspiring and terrifying to know we're not the masters of
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our own planet. Do you think, do you think OSI is alien? I see. In nature, do you think, do you,
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okay, do you think there is a faction of our government that is hiding the UFO secret that
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is working alongside NHI? And I mean, in a very stable and present capacity.
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So that's something we've been talking about. And I have to give a firm right now, I don't know.
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One, because like OSIPJ, I am as near confident as one could possibly be in this situation is,
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does tech protect, or does program protection for legacy stuff? The non-human intelligence type OSI,
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men in black type thing, it, it, it like adheres to John Keel's idea of, of men in black,
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sort of weird NHI entities. So many interactions though. There's, I know there's so many stories
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of that. So many. Is that an element that works? Is that a real element? I don't know. Is it an
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element that works in conjunction with OSI and program protection? I don't know. Is it a rogue
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thing of NHI that tries? Right. That are coming to sweep up.
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Yeah. It, it seems to me though, that like,
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the way that this has been covered up is much too perfect. Like my brain defaults to, there's no way
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you can keep a lid on this. If it's happening this often, we hear so many cases. There's no,
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something's bound to give. One of these things is bound to go down a little too close to town.
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Like there's just too many variables here to contain that there either has to be a, some type of
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time variable. And I'm not saying time travel, but I'm saying, even if you had this magical mirror,
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let's say this magical piece of glass that could give you, you know, where to go next,
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that's all you would need. Right. Or, or just like show you probabilities of things that might happen.
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And if you don't go here, then they just go there. Or you're working alongside something that is
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far more advanced and that is helping you keep it covered up because there's no way humans,
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I don't think can, can have successfully covered it up without the help of, of something really
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extraordinary. Well, I mean, even Dave, Dave Grush has said that agreements have been made with
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NHI. What are those agreements? Is it technology in exchange for various things? Is it guidance and,
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and wisdom? What do you think?
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You think we traded tech? What do we trade it for?
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I don't know. There's, there's so much lore about tech traded access to technology for
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abduction, rearrange to pick us up however you want. I think that could possibly be true. You know,
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I, at least in the abduction phenomenon, phenomena, cause it's not just one thing. Probably. I,
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I understand that to be a more recent development rather than like an age old ancient abduction thing.
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Yeah. You know, maybe there's credence to that theory that technology was exchanged for
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people. Essentially. It makes sense to me why the legacy program structure has largely been kept secret
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just in terms of how saps work. But you're right in terms of like just the general human, yeah,
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public not stumbling across definitive NHI vehicles, NHI bodies, besides a few select cases
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like Varginia and others. It, it does seem to be a larger secrecy element at play.
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Yeah. Or even like, I mean, so many stories of, of taking photos of them, of the craft,
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and then those photos either mysteriously disappearing or, uh, even more bizarre feeling
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compelled to delete them, which I've heard too.
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Yeah. Which is a wild thing. When you think about it, like you take a photo crystal clear
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of a craft hovering in the sky and you say, this is it. This is the, this is the one. This is the
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one that's going to break the world. This is it. It's disclosure. And then you look at it again,
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and your phone, your thumb goes to the delete button. Then you go to recently deleted and you
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delete that too. And you go, why did I just do that? Yeah. And the testimony of people who say
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they've had extremely close encounters with craft, but like consciously think I will not take out my
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phone and film this. Right. Which that's so weird. Or completely paralyzed and incapable of doing so.
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Yes. I had a lot of, you know, I get a lot of phone calls of people who have all sorts of wild
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testimony. One of them, I made a whole video on the, you know, the black triangle sightings and
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I've got over, I think I'm up to between 50 and a hundred, uh, separate. Triangles.
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Uh, triangle sightings, uh, not just triangle. Oh, it was like a triangle in the sky. It's like
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low hovering over the head, no noise, darker than the night sky. Um, you know, and just hanging there
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and then taken off. And there was one guy who is in Germany. And I remember this call because he
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called back three times to try and get his message straight because of the, uh, you know, he's German
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and he's just, he wanted, he wanted to get it, you know, and he's like, I have a, I have a outside
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having a cigarette with my, with my girlfriend at the time. And, and we look in the sky and there
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was this black triangle and all of a sudden it comes and it goes right in over our heads and we
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can't move and we are paralyzed. And then it just takes off. And then he goes, and now, uh, before I
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was, uh, atheist and now I, I don't know what to believe, but I know there's something more.
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And that's how it ended. And I was like, that's just a confession. That's all that is.
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Is that the guy from Germany who had Redditors recreate his experience? Because there's a famous
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triangle sighting from Germany that like our UFOs or Reddit community recreated. And it's essentially
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somebody sitting in their backyard that a triangle comes right up to them. It sounds identical to that
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guy's phone call. But I've heard a few of those. I've heard a few of those like where they're right
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above and you can't move. Well, to me, that makes sense because in my opinion, there's non-human
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triangles and theirs are ours too. Right. Our own. There's one story, um, that I'm kind of working
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on right now. And, um, but the witness said that like when she was in the presence of these beings
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and, uh, this, this is neither here nor there for this discussion, but it's kind of interesting.
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I thought I'd share, um, that like the beings there and she, even though she was in her apartment,
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she felt like it wasn't her apartment. She felt like, I don't, she was like, I felt like I was nowhere.
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Like, even though I could physically look at my kitchen, I didn't feel like I was in my kitchen.
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And so she's like, I don't know if that was in their ship or something, or there was, and I thought,
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and I said, oh, that's really interesting because you hear so many tales of these beings somehow in
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some capacity controlling the flow of time around a certain area, whether that's the craft or the
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being, you know, there's stories of people sitting under a craft and they feel the grass growing
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through their toes. And like there's time behaves differently around these, uh, around this technology,
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around these beings. And I thought to myself, well, what would it feel like to be in a timeless space?
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You would have no anchor to reality. All your brain knows how to do is to anchor you through
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time and space. They're linked. We have time so that we know when we are and where we are.
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You know, we have time and space. Those two things make it so that we're here. And now
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without one of them, I think you lack the other as well. If you, if you take away, uh, just as if
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you take away space, if I sit you in a black void.
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And there's no time.
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You will not, you will have no clue about the passage of time.
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I can have you, and they've done this experiment where you write down how slowly time goes by and
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you're off by months. Right. Um, and so, you know, for her, maybe if time didn't exist, you would feel
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like you're nowhere, even though you can recognize your kitchen, you would be like, this isn't my,
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I don't know. I'm nowhere.
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I thought that was a really interesting take.
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It's also very disturbing to think that, uh, another intelligence can basically strip away your,
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like, temporal and spatial understanding of where you are. But there, there's been many weirder
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things that have happened with abductees, including what you just said about people
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feeling like they can't move, feeling frozen in front of beans or craft.
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