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Nice. I thought Barangay, isn't that Dominican?
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Yeah, so my family's Cuban. My father was actually in the Bay of Pigs. My father was a revolutionary.
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It was captured by Castro's men on the beach during the invade. He was on the USS Houston when it got rocketed.
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Some CIA guys also were there. They didn't make it unfortunately. But he was for two years in Castro's prisons.
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My father was a wonderful human being, but he's also a very tormented soul.
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And now, you know, we can recognize, oh, he had PTSD, right? Or as the old-timers used to say shell shock.
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So he struggled with anger and volatility for a very long time during his life. And as a young person,
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I had a really weird background. My there was always this idea, this understanding that after the brigade,
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2506, which was what my father was part of. In fact, if you type in my name, Louis Celizondo and Bay of Pigs,
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you'll see my father's prisoner number. There was always this understanding that there would be a reinvasion of the by the new generation by by us, by the kids, and part of alpha 66 and try to.
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So I had a really weird upbringing as a child, always with smoked field rooms and dim lights and weird conversations.
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And so at a very early age, I had my taste of paramilitary. I didn't even know it.
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And I thought it was part of Boy Scouts. And then you go back to school and say, what did you guys do for?
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Well, I got my, you know, how to lay to fire badge when you get oh, disassembly K 47. You did do that.
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Yeah, we should dig into that. We should dig into that on the show. But where you want? Yeah, we will. So Louis Celizondo. Welcome to the show.
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You can call me Lou, if you want. I know I look more like a Bob or a Bill or a Joe. Thank you very much.
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Sean, if I can say something just for a moment, this is an incredible honor and privilege of mine. And not for the reasons that most people might think not because.
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You have a very successful show and then you have a big audience is because of who you are and what you have done in the service of your country.
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There's a lot of people on the outside that will see things that people like you or maybe I've done and they kind of glorify that.
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But we also know the other side of that. We know the truth and we know the pain that it causes for the loved ones we leave behind. It causes even to us to some degree.
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You keep a piece of that. Those experiences with you at all times. And some of us try our best to try to suppress it. But what you have done for our nation.
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I'm not sure most people in your audience can really appreciate. And I only know because I've been there and experienced those things with you guys.
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And I just want to say from the bottom of my heart and on behalf of a very grateful nation, although maybe they don't realize it.
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Thank you for what you do. We are only here today having this conversation in a wonderful country that we are in.
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We have in this incredible experiment. Because of the sacrifices you and your colleagues have made so before we begin please accept my humble appreciation sincere appreciation for the sacrifices you and your family has had to make.
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For us for the rest of us chickens. Thank you. And thank you. That means a hell of a lot. Thank you.
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But wow. Thank you for saying that. And like. Likewise.
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Let's get into the interview up. So everybody starts with an introduction here. So I think we might wind up doing a little bit of a life story here. I wasn't planning on doing that.
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But that sounds super interesting. Lou Elizondo. Lou Elizondo. You're a former US Army counterintelligence special agent and former employee of the office of the under secretary defense for intelligence.
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You led a previously covert program within the Department of Defense investigating unidentified aerial phenomenon, UAP.
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You came forward to the public about advanced aerospace threat identification program a tip bringing to light with the government knew about these mysterious objects in our skies.
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Since then you've worked to educate both the public and policy makers about the potential implications of UAPs for national security science and human understanding.
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You've been involved with organizations like to the stars Academy of Arts and Science aimed at advancing research into these phenomena.
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You're a fixture in the UAP transparency movement and have appeared in numerous interviews, documentaries and media segments discussing UAPs.
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We've shared insight from your experience while critiquing the government's approach to transparency on the subject. Welcome to the show.
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Thank you. One point of correction. The UAP program at the Pentagon was not a car. I did run covert operations and activities. But that was for another effort while working for the US government.
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The the ATIP program advanced aerospace threat identification program, which I which I help lead and working with some of my colleagues was a very sensitive program, but it wasn't covert to to I know people like to and forgive me for that saying that I don't know why it says that.
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There's a legal definition of covert activities and then there is from a department of defense, which is title 50 and then from a title 10 or DOD perspective, you have clandestine type operations and sensitive operations went, but ATIP was not covert.
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It was it was sensitive and a lot of classified aspects to it, but it was not a title 50 program, although I ran it under when I was wearing my title 50 had under the covert umbrella.
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But in itself, it was not a covert program. It was a highly sensitive program with a lot of classified aspects that I ran while I was running covert operations.
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Okay. Did you did you start a tip? I did not. No, no, no. It's fascinating actually the way ATIP started. It actually started off as a program called all set the advance of aerospace weapons, weapons, aerospace weapons special application program all set.
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You know, indeed, we love our acronyms right and tell community. It was in 2007, Harry Reid, Senator who is by the way, the Senate majority leader at the time, you had Senator Ted Stevens and Senator Inue, so Alaska and Hawaii as well.
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So Nevada, Alaska, Hawaii and even from restaurant at John Glenn, all got together on the Hill and somebody like bipartisan, so Republican and Democrat got together and
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but funding together to create a program called all the contract vehicles called all set all set was a big program in order to look at from the Pentagon's perspective, the UAP or UFO in the vernacular, the UFO issue from there, it there was an aspect of all set was kind of think of a big umbrella and then you have a little umbrella fitting underneath this big umbrella, which looked on a lot of stuff to include elements of no now is known to skin walker ranch and other things ATIP was really focused on the UAP.
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So all set did to but they were much broader think of a shotgun approach versus a sniper approach the shotgun being all set the sniper being a tip and so I was actually part of the ATIP program, although I worked with a lot of the elements in all SAP. My focus was really nuts and bolts on a tip interesting so that's it was started by Jim Likatsky and and J Straton on the all set side.
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So it was three three state centers has started Alaska Nevada and Hawaii is there I mean interesting lot of UAP activity in Alaska. Well, Stephen's had his own UAP counter while it's a pilot believe it or not. No, and let's not forget that you were World War two.
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Senator said anyway, Senator anyway actually gave his arm for his country all over veterans. Stevens was a pilot and he had his own UAP experience and then of course interestingly enough you have was Alaska.
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He was Alaska. Okay, Ted Stevens. What was his experience? Well, he reported you know classic food fighter experience these objects that would would pursue him while he was a pilot.
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And they were performing in ways that he could explain that we're outperforming anything that he was aware of as a pilot.
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Instantaneous acceleration very, very fast maneuvers well beyond the the structural limitations of what we had at the time technologically.
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And so and this by the way, this is not isolated. There's a if you get a chance to talk to members of Congress privately, a lot of them will share with you their own UAP experiences.
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They're like, hey, man, I was fishing with my son and also this thing comes out of the water. It's sought right there in front of us.
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I think you know politically they're a little shy to have that discussion publicly now maybe it will come out. But you'd be surprised how many people members of Congress have had their own experience.
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Is there a lot of I mean the reason I brought up the three states Nevada, obviously a lot of activity. Alaska, a lot of activity Hawaii. Is there a lot of activity down there?
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Well, there is some I would I don't it's hard to say there's a lot. So there's an issue with Hawaii. It's population density and surface area.
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So Nevada Alaska lots of landmass when you have people all around so you get pretty much a good persistent eye in the sky. Maybe there's a farmer maybe there's someone driving a truck.
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Maybe there's a military person or a military basis. Hawaii is a much smaller landmass. So you have fewer people in a smaller area looking up towards the sky.
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So we don't really know if Hawaii is necessarily a hotspot. We do have a military presence there as we know. And we do have a couple of sensitive facilities there because of geographically where it's located.
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And so it shouldn't be any surprise that we've had UAP activity there. But whether or not it's as much or as consistent as some of these other areas like we've seen with the new jersey for example with the drones right where they're being reported everywhere.
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You don't have that type of population in Hawaii and you don't have the landmass. So we really don't know we don't know if there's actually more activity occurring around the waters.
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We don't know if there's actually an increase or a decrease simply because we don't have enough persistent I guess a H.T.s award persistent surveillance there.
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But we just don't remember it's a couple of futile islands in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. And so unless you're right there at the time something's happening, you're not going to know.
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You mentioned Skim Walker branch. I'm just going to I don't want to lose anything. No, no, if you've done any work out there with Brandon or well, so before Brandon there was a gentleman named Bob Bigelow from any big a low aerospace. By the way, this is a this is a gentleman who made his fortune in the hotel industry and then decided to jump to aerospace and actually succeeded.
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Right, so this is a guy who put together these inhabitable inflatable type modules that could hook on to the to the ISS space station, which by the way, they're there right now. He actually has them connected.
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And he had these projects Genesis one Genesis two projects to create these inflatable habitats for NASA as kind of NASA's future space program. And he was very successful.
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So he actually helped fund through his own money a lot of what off-sap originally did to include Skim Walker ranch. He owned the ranch before Brandon Fubolo did and there was a very robust research effort ongoing people don't know that was just a bunch of who he know wasn't a lot of real stuff going on a lot of real research.
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And I had access to a lot of those files that wasn't my portfolio specifics. I don't usually talk about it. There's other people that are far more qualified than me to talk about Skim Walker ranch. And by the way, there was more than one one ranch people don't know that their other facilities.
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Wow. I mean, I would imagine there would be but yeah, I've been trying to get Bigelow on here for a while. He's an elusive guy. And then at an operation, I actually shared an elevator with them.
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And I didn't say anything. I don't want to bug them. But you know, I just he is a let him be he is I consider him an American hero and I don't say that lightly.
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You know, people can think what they want of individuals. But I've seen what he's been able to contribute to our country. You know, and if you ask him whether he likes me or hates me, it's really relevant. I've seen what he's been able to do.
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And what he has done for our nation. So, you know, I'm I'm eternally grateful for what what he's done. And there's a part of that story that hasn't come out yet. I think I think our country owes him a great deal of gratitude for what he's been able to do for our nation.
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So you were affiliated with it before when Bigelow owned it. I was. What was some of the stuff that you. I mean, what was going on there? Is it similar to what's going on with Skim Walker right now?
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Very intense. You know, again, I want to be careful not to speak for other people.
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But I can tell you that there are some very strange things that occur on that facility on that range. That that certainly weren't additional investigation.
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Either their national security implications. Well, it depends what your definition of national security is. But there's certainly enough going on there that warrants further further inquiry.
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So I I applaud what they're doing. What what brand of fugal and others are doing. I think it's important. I think why do you think Bob never shared any of the research with Brandon?
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I interviewed Brandon. He's a friend of mine now. And you know, he did he did not give over any of the prior research to Brandon when he bought the ranch. So they're starting from square one.
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I don't want to speak on anybody else's behalf. Certainly not Bob Bigelow or anybody else. And there's probably one thing you'll notice during interviews. I never speak for anybody else.
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And I don't offer my opinion very often because that opinion could be wrong. I'd rather stick to the facts. But but I said it could be one of two things. Let's look at the let's look at the full spectrum of why.
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Maybe that maybe Bob says, look, I don't want to predicate the science. I don't want to I don't want to prejudice forgive me. I don't want to prejudice the science with with predicated information, meaning here's access to all my data and you take it from there. Start from scratch.
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So we have a fresh set of eyes on it and remain objective. Maybe that's why or could be, hey, you know what? I paid a lot of money and put a lot of time into this. I consider this information proprietary.
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And you know, you're going to have to figure this out yourself. Maybe that's why or maybe.
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I don't know. Maybe there was because there was some government involvement. Maybe he can't. Maybe it's like, look, it's proprietary to the US all this information we did is proprietary to the US government. I can't release it without the US government's approval.
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I mean, those are just some of the what is I don't know why I've never had a chance to ask Mr. Fugel that question directly.
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But I do know Bob Bigelow and he never I don't think he'd ever do anything just out of spider to be mean. I'm sure he had a very good reason for that.
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So in your experience are the things that they were experienced are they very similar?
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Well, you need to pay to bring a few gold.
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I think there's some overlap. But again, I'm not really tracking now currently the skin walker stuff. That's just another group of folks. It's not that I'm not interested. I am, I just don't have the bandwidth. I'm simply, as I tell you, I am dancing as fast as I can.
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I cannot turn the tempo up anymore as fast as these legs will move.
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So to spend my time and energy now on yet another portfolio, I just simply, I'd have to clone myself.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, we have a Patreon account. There's a subscription account. There are a total supporters for you.
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And they've been here with us since the beginning. Fantastic. It's growing. It's a community now. And I wouldn't be sitting here without them. And neither would you be. So.
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Great. One thing I offer them is to ask each and every guest a question that comes on the show. Absolutely.
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This one is from Jake Gillian, given your unique insight into the UAP phenomena in its potential implications for humanity, what do you believe is the single most critical piece of information the public should understand about UAPs right now.
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And why do you think this information has been withheld for so long? Wow. Wow. Jake. Great, great question. So let me see if I can deconstruct this a little bit.
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So one single aspect about the UAP topic that should be that the public should understand the public should understand it should be revealed now and understand its implications and the importance of it.
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Wow. There's not just one. Let me, let me see if I can break this down for Jake.
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There are fundamental reasons why you classify information by law by law and then later on policy as well. Usually to protect two things called sources and methods.
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And then sometimes you can use it to protect some other things we won't go into here. But those are the primary reasons. What you can't do is classify information to cover up malfeasance or illegal activities or something that might be embarrassing to the United States.
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You can't do it. It is it is against we used to do it as a nation and finally Congress stepped in after all these nasty little things that we were doing like the syphilis experiments, for example, or the CIA and the LSD experiments, right. We did some pretty nasty things.
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So Congress stepped and said, no, Moss, if you're going to classify information, these are the reasons why you classify information. And if you do it for any of the reasons, you're wrong.
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I don't believe that any organization, any institution, any government, any religion has the right to classify information that should be universally provided to all the people of the world and all the citizens. Now what do I mean by that?
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Galileo Galilee, when he first proposed, looked through his telescope and first proposed the heliocentric model for our solar system, was met with so much resistance that the church almost burned them alive on the state.
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And he had to recant and say, no, I was wrong. In fact, they even refused to look through the very telescope to prove his observations.
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Now we look back and we say, well, that's silly. Why would anybody care that the sun is the center of our solar system and they're not earth, right?
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Well, at the time, that information was thought to be very threatening to the Judeo-Christian belief system and the institutions at the time, primarily the church.
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So they, in essence, did they try to classify that idea? Don't tell the world that because this goes against what we've been telling people.
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And I don't think we look back hindsight being 2020, realize, that was dumb. Why would you ever do that? Why would you stop somebody from telling the truth?
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I think this topic is very much the same thing. Look, we tell everybody in modern terms, every day that North Korea has atomic capabilities. And that's not classified.
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The fact that the earth is not the center of the solar system is not classified. Now what is classified is the fact that maybe North Korea, how those atomic weapons are delivered and their flight characteristics and their targets got you.
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And you want to keep that classified. But the fact that North Korea has atomic weapons is not a classifiable fact. Just like we're not alone in the cosmos, these things are here. It's becoming the worst kept secret. It's now a liability.
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There are two fundamental, two fundamental philosophies about secrets. Some people believe secrets are like fine wine. And the longer you keep a cork on it, the better it gets, the longer it ages.
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I disagree with that. I've told people all along since day one secrets are perishable. They have a shelf life. They're like vegetables in your refrigerator. And if you leave them in there too long, they're going to rot and they're going to stink. And then you got a really big mess on your hands.
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So if you allow a secret to go on longer than what's necessary, it actually will start working as a liability against you. And ultimately we've seen with the JFK files, it will start to erode the faith and confidence and public trust in the very institution that it was trying that secret was there to try to protect.
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This is no different with the UAP topic. It is so obvious at this point and it's in other and our adversaries know it's real to to keep them your fact of the existence of UAP from the public knowledge. I think it's a disservice.
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I don't think any organization like I said or government has a right to keep that fundamental truth away from the American people. That's not their business to do that. Now if you want to say, well, how these things actually work and because we obviously don't want North Korea some rogue nation having that capability to hurt us, I got you.
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But to deny the existence of it, I think that's counterproductive. I think it actually works against trying to inst...
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to reinforce and still faith and confidence in our government. I don't think that's the way to do it. I think ultimately at the end of the day everything is going to come out anyways just like we see with the JFK files.
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You know, there's an old saying from Bob Marley, you can fool some people sometimes but you can't fool all the people all the time. And I think that's where we're at. I think we now have to reconcile and come back to the table and say, yeah, turns out we've been investigating things for a long time even though we haven't told you or...
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maybe we didn't tell Congress and we didn't even tell presidents, certain presidents what we were doing. Now, is that a problem? Yes. But we can figure that out. We can get over that hill.
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What we can't do is afford to erode any more faith and confidence. The faith and confidence right now in our government at least was at all time low. Most people do not trust their government. That's a problem in a democracy. That's a very...
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I'm one of them. Hey, brother, we both served our uncle Sam. I got you. And sometimes, if you really love something or love someone, you have to tell them what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.
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And this is a case, I think this is why I'm having this conversation. The government needs to hear, look, it's time for you to be honest with the American people. I know what I was part of.
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My colleagues know what they were part of. We know what we've seen and so do the pilots and so do the radar operators and so do the special operators and so do the CIA personnel.
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That's out of the bag, guys. That is out of bag. So back to the question here. What is the one thing that should be revealed? The fact that we are not alone in the cosmos in our...
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200,000 years of existence has modern homo sapiens sapiens as a species. And only really been the last 100 years we had the technology to even begin to explore our cosmos.
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Is it possible for our search for intelligent life that in all that time, Earth being 4.5 billion years old approximately that intelligent life found us first?
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Yeah, statistically, yeah. And then when you look at the evidence suggesting that and reinforcing that, look, someone is flying these things around. They are intelligently controlled. They cannot perform anything that we have.
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So who's behind it? That's fine if you don't want to consider that option. It's either Russian, Chinese or ours. And it's not ours. We've already said it's not ours. We don't have that capability.
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And we damn sure hope it's not Russian or Chinese because then we're really screwed. No, by the way, we've been dealing with this topic now for the last what 70 some years. Can you imagine?
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Look, when these things, food fighters, we talked a little bit about Senator Ted Stevens and Allied pilots in these these food fighters during World War II.
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Let me ask you a question Sean. Right on the heels of World War II, we have this rash of flying saucers being seen and UFOs that were in some cases raid our returns in the early 50s doing 10 to 13,000 miles an hour.
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Where were we? Well, we had just come out of World War II. We became the world's premier superpower. We had barely broken the sound barrier and we hadn't been into space and we were transitioning from propeller to jet to the jet age.
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These things we forget about 13,000 miles an hour. We could barely break Mach 1. Right.
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Who had that capability at the time if we didn't well. Where was Russia? They were just entering the atomic age themselves China. They're in the middle of a famine. Right. So there's no one who had that capability. I always use a analogy. That would be like like going back into the 40s.
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I would be like going into King Tut's tomb for the very first time. And as you're breaking down the rock wall and peering into the vault. All of a Sunsing of fully assembled 747 jet sitting in the tomb.
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Temporally, it doesn't make sense. The Egyptians did not have that technology. So what is that aircraft doing in that tomb? It doesn't make sense.
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So, you know, there's the adage in the face of the two types of people in the world and the face of new information. You can change your opinion based upon new facts or like some people reject the facts and stick with your own narrative because it's more comfortable and convenient.
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I think it's probably smarter and wiser in the face of new facts. We need to recalculate our thinking. And that's why I think back to this question here. It's important that the people know that the US government has been spending your taxpayer dollars.
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A lot of it trying to research these things that are very real. You don't spend millions of millions of dollars and billions of dollars on a wild goose chase. You don't do it. And hiding black budgets and things. You do it because something's real in legit.
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And I think that's where we are. Certainly my experience in the Pentagon and the intelligence community. This is substantiated.
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I think a lot of people think maybe the Germans had some higher technology. Well, they did. Well, they certainly did. We know that. The German Vundervoffa program, Wonder Weapon program, had the Messerschmitt.
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The first jet airplane really that was the German came up with it. The V1 rocket, the V2 rocket, right? The buzz bombs and the long range rockets. Those were all German technologies.
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In fact, what Operation Paperclip and World War II ended? What do we do? We stole it all and brought it here. Right? The Vernivon Brown and the Saturn V rocket. That was just, I hate to say, but that was a glorified V2 rocket.
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So, yes, the Germans did. And then they had these other very interesting programs, you know, not too dissimilar to what the Pentagon had. They had the Nazis had something called the Ananerva, which really looked at some kind of far out stuff. Now some people will look and say, oh, it was nothing but cult in witchcraft.
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Okay, but there was enough there, there enough data to suggest that whatever they were doing worked or could help them with the war effort. So they invested a lot of time and money into that.
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And that's not just, you know, I was mentioning this because you said Germans, but other countries did the same thing. There's other countries that were always looking for that strategic advantage. What would it take for me to have a decisive advantage on the battlefield in the battle space?
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So people said, well, why would they spend? But look, our country did. But one of my colleagues, how put off the Godfather of the US government, the CIA's psychic espionage program. That's right. They just said psychic espionage program. Your tax dollars paid for programs like Stargate and Grillflame before that and various other names before that. Why? Because there was some information to suggest that it worked. And oh, by the way, the Russians were doing the same thing. You know, so people, people look at the US government.
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People look at things and say, well, that's silly. That would never work. And it turns out that sometimes it does work. Look at the Navy, so the Navy guy, the Navy, so says program back in the 50s. Who would have ever thought, well, I just dropped some microphones on the ocean and maybe I can listen to Russian submarines. It works. Right. So is it really that? Is it pseudo science? Well, the pseudoscience until it works. Now it's your science.
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I mean, I also think that maybe as Americans, we're a little arrogant thinking that we, you know, that nobody else could have this kind of technology because we're so, we're so, we're so advanced.
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And, you know, maybe somebody else has that they're just not revealing it because they don't want to play the fucking world police. Right.
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You know, we get ourselves involved in everything and well, we're involved in everything. Why would you want to tell somebody, look, like we're in this wonderful room here.
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But if you're like me and sometimes paranoid, I've always have contingencies and I have contingencies for contingencies.
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So if you were a country that has a super secret technology, would you want to advertise the world that you have it? Well, it's kind of what I'm getting at. Right. So it is possible.
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We think we're the smartest. Right. But this is why I think now you're right because we know that near peer adversaries are absolutely ahead of us in certain areas.
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I won't say what they are, but we know that and it's a problem for us. But if you go back to the end of World War II, or really who are some who are some that are I can't say that I don't want to, you know, there's, I want to let our folks in government do their job and they don't need me spewing out vulnerabilities that we might have where other countries are ahead of us.
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But you know, quantum computing, for example, you know, certain type of capabilities, maybe in space, we have to maintain that competitive advantage.
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But again, let's go back to what we originally said here. If you look at this from a temporal perspective, time perspective, at the end of World War II, we really were the only world superpower at the time.
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We dropped the atomic bomb and and and decisively ended World War II. What was referred to as a greatest generation then began to invest in the United States and became the world superpower dominant power.
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There was no real near peer other than the Russians at the time. And they were still nowhere near what we were able to do. So I can buy now if you say that there is a foreign adversary that has his capability.
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Okay, I doubt but maybe, but not 70 years ago. And let's let's look at this because Marco Rubio, the new Secretary of State, when he was a senator said something very interesting.
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He said, you know, I almost hope that these things are not human because they're human. That's almost more scary who's created this technology. And I think he's absolutely correct.
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To put this into perspective, we spend billions with a beat billions of dollars each year to maintain a strategic advantage from an intelligence perspective, all 17 agencies of the intelligence community.
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To to no more than our enemies. Right. Now imagine if there was a country that had the ability to develop a technology and deploy this technology that could come into our country completely unimpeded.
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Unchallenged unseen be able to do whatever wanted to do. Collect ISR on our military equities and interfere with our nuclear strategic capabilities.
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Turn them off. Right. And then go back home. No sweat and nobody would ever know that would be. And by the way, have been in development for the last 70 years on this technology.
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That would be the greatest intelligence failure this country has ever experienced, eclipsing that of even 9-11 because despite the billions of dollars that we invest, there was a single indication or shred of information over seven years at some country had managed to develop this technology.
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Think of the resources and infrastructure required to develop and deploy a technology like that. Right. And you didn't get one shred of evidence in 70 years that country actually was doing that. Right.
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So choose your poison. It's either someone else's or it's foreign adversarial. If it's foreign adversarial, you need to fire every single person right now in national security and start from scratch. And you better not provoke war because we're going to lose.
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So that's the other part of that argument. If you say, OK, maybe some country did develop this in secret. OK, well, how when where? Right under what circumstances.
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And now China, you mean it told me it's going to be so brazen in 2004 to fly this right off the coast of California and oh, by the way, Tangled with two F 18 Hornets.
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That doesn't seem very smart. That's certainly not where I test my secret stuff. You know, at least we test our secret stuff at area 51 of these places out of the prying eyes of people to see it.
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Now, maybe it's some sort of Red Force probe, right. Some some provocation to see our response. Sure, but there's also counter arguments to that as well.
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So it simply doesn't make sense from a time perspective that some country had this technology 70 years ago. Now, sure, maybe I doubt it, but I would buy that more that OK, yeah, China Russian the last five years has been able to develop this.
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Not that look 2004. How many people had quadcopters drones didn't even really exist in 2004 yet. These fixed wing remote control airplanes that you threw in combat, maybe for 15 minutes to get a site picture on something.
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You know, what happened to drones that we have? I mean, when I was in the army right before 2000 2001, we were dealing with model airplanes hunter UAVs pioneer UAVs. I mean, it could be us just not revealing it too because I mean, if we are that techno technologically advanced, then you know, there's not really any money in that.
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Well, we also though we both know that a lot of these, you know, the wars that we were in has to do a lot with with with KBR. Oh, with an elevator.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm glad that I'm so glad to have it so far.
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So for that advanced and I mean, we can end things that quickly, there's not really a lot of money in that. So they have to develop all this other shit that's, you know, the problem with that is that we dance when we start really that advanced so that we can spend all our fucking money.
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You know, I mean, well, open all this shit that's not that's not at the top because if we just want straight to the top and it just ends, you know, for a meeting.
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Well, we, I think I mean, it's certainly possibility. You're right, Sean. It is something we have to consider. But again, I go back to how is he talks about that? How, no, you're right. How is the T well because that gets into a very uncomfortable part of the conversation.
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But it's fucking real. Oh, I don't disagree. Real. Yeah, yeah, but you know, that can that I'm not disagreeing.
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But if you look at blue force capabilities and how we test blue force capabilities, especially sensitive capabilities, what do you mean blue force capability?
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U S Cape, good, quite US capabilities. So if you look at the way we test new types of capabilities, right.
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For military for intelligence, we do it in places out of the prying eyes of eyewitnesses. We do it in a place where it's going to be safe.
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And I don't have to worry about a potential mid air collision, right. I'm not going to test this capability without letting, let's say the fleet commander know that, hey, while you're out there in that range, I'm going to be testing my stuff there and see how you react.
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You don't do that because you could have mid air collisions, like safety issues. I mean, it's you, that's why you have a joint staff to coordinate these type of things and say, look, I'm going to do an exercise.
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And if I want to, if I want to test a new capability, I'm going to do an area 51. I'm going to do it out of the prying eyes of anybody in a place that's safe and oh, by the way, if it crashes, I don't have to have a recovery issue on my hands, right.
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Where what is going to see and I have a big profile. So I, I don't, and we've already said for the record. And certainly when I was in the government, we looked at blue force capabilities. We've got some pretty cool stuff. I'll tell you that. I mean, even area 51 though, it's not, you're talking right after World War II objects going 13 mile 13,000 miles in low earth atmosphere. That's, that's not area 51 isn't big enough to conceal.
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That's my point. It's exactly my point. If you're going to test a capability like that, you're going to an article if you really have to, right. Or you're going to drop it from the bottom of B 52 at an altitude of 60,000 feet and test what you got to test, which by the way, we've done the X 15 is a perfect example.
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But we do it in a way that is it's safe and out of the prying eyes of people that are not read onto the program. You don't test it right off the coast of California in the middle of a fleet exercise with aircraft carrier dozens of destroyers and support vehicles and submarines and F 18s. You don't do that. That's not how you, you conduct a classified program because too many people see it.
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So I think there's a, you know, there's an argument there to be made that, you know, obviously I would rather this technology be ours and Russian or Chinese, but I think we're pretty clear now as a government. It's not our technology and our government has already said for the record. Very senior people. This is not our technology.
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So if it's not ours, it's somebody's who's is it. What's the X 15 X 15 is a rocket powered aircraft. So right on the heels of the supersonic age. We had just brought the X one was the experimental aircraft that Chuck Yeager used to break the sound barrier for the first time.
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So it was a hundred sixty three miles an hour at sea level plus or minus.
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The X 15 was a hypersonic vehicle that was to take people into space, believe it or not. In fact, the pilots have astronaut wings. It is a think of a little long skinny pencil with stubby wings on it.
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So the X 15 is a kind of landing gear and has skids and is dropped from the wing of a B 52 at high altitude and then accelerates up to hypersonic speeds and goes to the upper limits of our atmosphere and into a low Earth orbit. In fact, if you look at that platform, the X 15 not only does have wings and control surfaces, but because of fly so high, it has to have thrusters.
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Just like a space shuttle and that was really when you look at how we were testing. I think there are only six of those ever built. They started off with twin 500 horsepower 500,000 horsepower engines. Then they switch it to a general electric one million horsepower engine.
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In fact, there was even a death associated with the X 15 because apparently had an issue with telemetry and if flew so high that when it was coming back down to Earth, it burned up. It didn't reenter properly and unfortunately the test pilot was killed.
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But the X 15 was really our first early attempts and you're talking maybe 4,000 miles. So Mach 5 is hypersonic. The definition of Mach 3 is supersonic, which is the speed of sound faster than the speed of sound, roughly 760 some miles an hour at sea level.
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Mach 5 is defined as five times the speed of sound. So five times that speed. So the X 15 was one of those preliminary early efforts to get into the area of hypersonics. It was manned.
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And so the X 15 was and so when you compare that to objects that are doing 10,000, 13,000 miles an hour and we had barely broken 4,000 miles an hour with the X 15. Again, who had that technology and more importantly, who had that technology to deploy it over the United States because we were seeing these things and they've been reported over and over again since the late 1940s. There's a very interesting document. Sean, I'll share with you.
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That really I think emphasizes and laid on in the interview, if you want me to read it to a will. There's a very interesting document.
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And the data that document that really is I think rather profound and really demonstrate that we're not dealing with our technology or or foreign adversarial technology.
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Let's read it right now. We'll be cheap. No, we don't forget. Actually, you know what? It's on my phone and I'll have my phone here. Let's take a break.
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So I think Sean you'd be really surprised to know that there's documentation, historical documentation, that substantiates what we've been dealing with and we've been dealing with it for quite a while. So if I have your permission, I'd like to read something out loud and let's do it.
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You have to forgive me. I need my old man glasses because I am old. This is great. Not blonde. I'm an old timer.
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I'm also a lot slower than I used to be. Tell me about it. Yeah. I got my kid a trampoline. I tried to burn some energy off. I got on there thinking like, oh, yeah, this will be great.
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Yeah, it's terrifying. You live by yourself and dislocated my shoulder again. I'm like, oh, I don't remember. I don't remember the same thing. I used to.
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So I'd like to read to you just briefly a very, it's a two page official document and it's the, we look at the letterhead. It's headquarters United States Air Force Washington, DC with another header, the Inspector General US Air Force.
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I think it's 17th district office of special investigations. Is this the before you read? Is this the one you were telling me downstairs that hasn't been released to the public yet?
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It has, well, people a lot of people don't know about it has been officially released and downgraded from its classified original form. Okay. Do the freedom of information act. But it's been lost to a lot of people. A lot of people even aware it exists. And they've got a whole bunch of these. But let me just read you one if I can to kind of emphasize what I'm saying.
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The subject of this memorandum, basically from the Pentagon, right? Some of operations of aerial phenomenon in the New Mexico area. And I'm not going to tell you the day yet.
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In the first paragraph, it was determined that the frequency of unexplained aerial phenomenon in the New Mexico area was such that an organized plan of reporting these observations should be undertaken. Right? So they're seeing so many of these they need to start an investigation.
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The observers of those phenomena include scientists, special agents of the office of special investigations Air Force OSI, airline pilots, civilian pilots, military pilots, Los Alamos security inspectors, military personnel and many other persons of various occupations whose reliability is not questioned.
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So these are the best of the best view of security clearances of why not trained observers. And they talk about some of the morphology of these phenomenon to include discs or variations thereof. And so in the conclusion set sentence, which is paragraph six.
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This summary of observations of aerial phenomenon has been prepared for the purposes of re emphasizing so obviously they wrote reports before this one and reiterating the fact that phenomenon have continuously occurred in the New Mexico skies during the past 18 months and are continuing to occur.
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And secondly, that these phenomenon are occurring in the vicinity of sensitive military and government installations. Now what's the date of this report?
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25 May 1950. That's from 1950 it is from 1950 and there are a treasure trove of these things that anybody can look at now and see and this is not world recording Lou Elizondo. I'm not telling you this.
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Your government is telling you this not me the same government that later on told people nothing to see here folks in secret. They're saying there's a lot of things to see here folks and we got to pay attention.
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So therein lies. I wish we had recordings of people's reactions instead of like this. These fucking typed up reports that have to sound well you can see the last paragraph where it says the purpose of this is to re emphasize.
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Yeah, you can re stay right so you can sense the frustration that that action isn't being done. There's there's CIA documents to talk about how we're going to go ahead and collect information on these things. There's radar reports track reports multiple radar systems tracking these things to 13,000 miles an hour in a low earth atmosphere environment with a friction of air is put it this way the SR 70 Locking wife 12 a SR 71 Blackbird when that thing is doing about 3,200 miles an hour the entire aircraft had to be made out of the
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TITANIUM to keep the plane from melting because it gets so hot could it's flying at that speed. And in fact the coolest part of that engine on the SR 71 the plate it in gold is 800 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Those are the that's the heat you're talking about now that's at 3,400 miles an hour imagine 13,000 miles an hour by the way by the way no signature no sonic boom no acoustic signature no contrail like you see with a jet plane when you're flying at 33,000 feet no signature at all.
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I got a question for you totally off you know I was just thinking about the recording stuff and you've obviously been involved with a lot of the stuff and you can't talk about everything but why is it always these fucking reports that have been you know I mean what about the initial interview you know somebody goes out there and does the initial fucking interview why why don't we have where are those recordings.
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Rather than some bullshit you know typed up thing hey this came from this came from the interviewer they got passed to the analyst they got passed to the whoever reports to the whoever you know what where are those initial recordings are they recorded well sometimes sometimes auto recordings sometimes they're written reports sometimes so in this particular case as you probably that would be the most descriptive account right well not some from the
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one person keep in mind when you want to get all the different perspectives right so the idea of a report like this isn't to just give you one compelling story it's to take all those reports that you're getting from various different
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member pilots off of OSI agents military personnel right you it's in the report so obviously there's a lot of people reporting these things and so this type of report is really an
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amalgamation of all those reports to send up to headquarters what you don't typically do and I can tell you this as a as a former special
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agent myself in the field when you taking notes and you writing reports you understand that the report that you're writing isn't
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necessarily one that's going to go to headquarters the one that's going to go to headquarters is usually by the senior
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person who's taking all the reports and create a comprehensive single report and says this is what we're doing so that two page
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memorandum that I just read portions of there's probably hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages that are used to substantiate that one report
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so where are those documents well they're usually in the hands of the investigative agency so for example whether it's army or the Air Force OSI Army
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counterintelligence Air Force OSI or Navy and CIS right they they don't typically share those reports because some of them are what they
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call law enforcement sensitive some of them are intelligence sensitive and a lot of them are very very classified because you're talking to people
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and keep positions who have key jobs maybe they're working on special access programs so you've got to you've got to compartmentalize that information and then in order to
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distribute that information up to the highest level you've got to start whittling away some of the more sensitive information say here's the salient facts
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here you go just like when you go to court I mean I'm aware of that right you know because of what I used to do exactly what I'm asking is where do
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those go most of them I think that older probably God they're supposed to be archived I can tell you when I was and this is you know God I can't
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believe me and say this is one of my greatest greatest disappointments in myself professionally speaking so when I was a young younger agent one of my
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jobs was to go to a particular military base where they had all the old archives of classified reports back to Korean war Vietnam and there was a huge archive in the
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basement of a particular office on Fort Mead I won't say where it is where the Army and some other elements kept all their old historical reports intelligence reports talking to sources it
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became so big and so cumbersome that there was an effort to try to digitize all of that it couldn't be done and this is in the day and age
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when we didn't really have very good technology everything had to be hand jammed into a machine and scan them cataloged and blah blah blah so very labor intensive so the Army decided OK anything over 25 years old unless it's obvious we need to keep it we want you to shred it.
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And so one of my jobs was to go in to this place into this huge room and go through file after file after file and shred stuff.
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And now we look back and say wait a minute that's that could be considered evidence you're right but that was what we were told to do and I wouldn't have to try to cover their budget just too much in room after room after file
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cabinet file cabinet of classified information that's 25 30 35 40 45 years old.
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And yeah, the eyes doing right now before cash gets up.
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I hope that they're not doing that.
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But that's what was going on. So I suspect a lot of this may have just been lost a lot of it may have been chewed up burned up over the years shredded.
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You know, you have people that come and go they put something in a safe or five jorken security container with an ex X 10 lock on it.
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Someone forgets a combination they drill it out of this document here go ahead and shred the documents easier from 25 years ago nobody cares.
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They don't even bother to look at it.
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Some of just maybe that incompetence maybe some of it is not pretty sure a lot of it's not deliberate people just don't know what the hell they look at it.
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They see a project code name blue Phoenix. Okay, so I don't know what that is.
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Obviously it's not that important. It's 35 years old shredded.
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I mean, you're an investigative guy, right?
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Well, they said I used to be.
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So what a you would mention ancient Egypt earlier and it was just an analogy.
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You know, what if we want in there and there was a 747 and one of the fire pyramids?
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Well, is any a lot of people think that the Egyptians, the, you know, ancient, whatever, whatever the tribe was and or, you know, the Peruvians, you know, all these
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Easter Island had some kind of, you know, that they were way more advanced than what we, what they've been made out to be.
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I mean, they still can't explain how the pyramids were made.
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They got these underground caves that, you know, Graham Hancock kind of brought to life.
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I think they're in turkeys like entire cities under the underground.
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I mean, is anybody looking back at that and trying to piece any stuff together?
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I think there's a lot of people on the outside of the government, and certainly are.
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They see, they see nobody within.
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Well, let me get to that.
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So, you know, there's a lot of people trying to find congruencies.
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Can we see things in the old world and make some sort of analysis based upon what we know now and make compare and contrast capabilities?
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I can tell you when I was in a tip program, several of us spent a good deal of our time.
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Looking at ancient script of human beings, whether it's ancient Sumerian and Cuneiform or Hieroglyphics or runes and looking at a lot of different things because several of the UAP that we were investigating were reported to have some sort of writing on the outside.
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Now, that's very significant writing, runes, some sort of symbols.
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And so, the idea was, is there a way to decipher these by looking at ancient human writing and see if there was any overlap?
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Was there ever a time where maybe some of that ancient script that we have was actually influenced by an external source, meaning some saw something in the sky that landed and had these writing on it.
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Therefore, that inspired for them to write stuff, right?
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Are there any stories like that?
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Are there any cave paintings that maybe ancient humans came into contact with something?
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And if you look at the indigenous people here in the United States, they talk about the ant people, right?
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And some of their Genesis stories talks about things from out of there.
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And same with the Aboriginal people in Australia, some even in Africa.
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A lot of them have very similar type Genesis stories.
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So, one of our efforts in Asia was to look at ancient human text in all various forms to see if there was any correlation.
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Now, interestingly enough, what the scientists that I was working with came up with, which now looking back seems obvious, but it wasn't obvious at the time.
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The mere fact that there is writing on some of these vehicles, whatever they are, can allow you to formulate several conclusions.
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One is, let me ask you, Sean, what do we use as humans? What is writing for? What do we use writing to do?
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Communication, documentation.
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Nonverbal communication, right?
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A thought, an idea, an order, something.
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Give you an order, write it down, right?
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I'm going to tell you something. I write it down in a document and give it to you.
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It's indelible, it's there always.
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What do we use? What are we communicating? Well, it depends.
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Sometimes we're communicating, you know, like if you see a Jeep jamboree and you see a sign that says,
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if you can read this, flip me over, I've turned over, right?
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Or if you can read this, something went wrong, call home.
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Or it could mean something else.
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But it also means that whoever is using the writing, that human eyes, the way we look at eyes and the electro-optical spectrum,
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the way we look at data, whether it's a magazine or a poor or whatever it might be, dictionary or a Bible,
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you have to have eyes. That's why blind people use a braille because they can't read.
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So whoever wrote that, A, is smart enough to know that they want to communicate a message.
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And two, that whoever is going to read it has to have eyes of some sort.
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Some sort of eye that can differentiate and actually see that and then interpret that as an actual message.
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And so that's a huge deal because that's fundamental.
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You're talking a higher functioning brain because there is no animal in right now on Earth, other than humans,
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that use writing to communicate information and knowledge.
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That's a distinctly human thing that's a very high brain functioning thing, or at least for most people,
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high functioning brain capability.
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And it also means that whoever is reading it, the audience has to have eyes.
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So through fundamental things, whatever is behind these things, they have eyes of some sort,
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when we visually see something, recognize it and interpret that information,
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and that they have a higher functioning part of the brain that can take those symbols and those symbols have a meaning.
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And so that was kind of a pretty big moment for us in A-tip because we realize,
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hey, there's maybe a lot more similarity here than we think, right?
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There's some things that we share that with something that seem to be only humans can do.
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And now it turns out that maybe something else can do too or something else can do too.
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So we do look at ancient, I know your question is more like about ancient technology and capability.
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Not necessarily. I mean, there's even that other...
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I can't... Man, I'm going to butcher her last name.
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Just interviewed her not long ago.
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We haven't released it yet, but I mean, she talks about a lot of this stuff,
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you know, within the Vatican, some of the...
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I've seen some of it.
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At a senior academic, share some information with me.
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And it was in Latin and it was a communication over 2,000 years old between a Roman soldier and a Roman general.
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And the Roman shield, at the time, they called Eclipse, Eclipse in Latin,
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means like eclipse, the sun, because it's like the sun.
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And they discussed there how these flaming Roman shields in the sky were following them from battle space to battle space.
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Saucers, lenticular objects.
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So think about that for a minute.
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Going back to your point about ancient Egypt, look, you're absolutely correct.
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There's ancient knowledge that we don't know how it was done.
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Look, Baghdad battery.
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What the hell in Iraq were they building ancient batteries for?
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But that's exactly what it was.
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We mean ancient batteries.
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I don't know about that.
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Yeah, using copper and stoneware filled with a solution, probably orange juice,
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they're creating electric currents.
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You can look it up on phone.
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You look at your computer.
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It's called the Baghdad battery.
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This is before electricity supposedly was invented before we ever discovered something called the electromagnetic spectrum and electron.
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And millennia ago, they were using it for something.
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They were creating electricity.
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It's called the Baghdad battery.
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That's a fact, right?
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You can go, I just came back from England.
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And in the British Museum, there's an entire Sumerian art collection there.
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And I've pictures of it that depicts ancient Sumerian warriors doing what?
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Being frogmen, scuba diving underwater.
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They had this sack that they would hold.
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And there's actually depictions of these people swimming underwater,
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breathing with these sacks.
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So you know, it's easy to look back and say, oh, the ancient people that were basic.
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But can you build a pyramid?
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I mean, how much resources would it take now to build a pyramid?
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Yeah, you know, it'll last Vegas and see what that kind of looks like one.
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But it's not a pyramid.
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You're talking millions of stones,
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place in an exact position, cut precisely with tooling that even to this day,
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we have a hard time replicating with all the tunnels inside of it.
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With all the tunnels inside of that.
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Look at, look at some of the H blocks down in Latin America, South America,
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Look at, look at, there is an ancient technology.
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Look, go to Greece and at the base of the Parthenon, you'll see these huge, huge, huge stones
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that even today were not quite sure even some of our largest cranes would have that capability.
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The infrastructure required is enormous.
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And there's other places around the world that are just like that.
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So, you know, we can turn around and say,
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oh, ancient societies, they were primitive.
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Well, you know, don't be so quick.
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You know, I'll give you another case in point.
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There was a discovery done talking about Egypt about ancient mummies,
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where they found traces of what in their bodies, cocaine.
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Now, cocaine doesn't grow on that continent.
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It only grew in South America, the coca leaf, right?
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How in the hell is our coca leaf and the derivative of the processing of to create cocaine
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found in some mummies thousands of years ago in Egypt?
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So, you were saying these ancient mummies were part of the cocaine?
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I don't dare party with it, but, anyway, my point is that whether it's used from medicinal purposes or whatnot,
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but yes, so that is the fact you can see it.
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They pulled the traces up.
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How did that happen if these ancient trade routes didn't exist, right?
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There was no crossing the Atlantic Ocean or the Pacific Ocean.
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So, there's a lot of mystery with our ancients and our ancestors that, you know,
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I think it's foolhardy for us to just be dismissive and say,
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oh, they were primitive, they were savages.
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Look at the Aztec for able to do with a calendar and predict even lunar cycles and to include
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I couldn't do that now, but yet they were able to do it.
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So, I am not as dismissive, and this is why going back to A-Tip and looking for UFOs,
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it was important for us to see if there was any context in which we could see any similarity,
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any inspiration that might have existed between ancient man and perhaps something else.
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So, there is government officials that are looking back at this stuff.
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I'm pretty sure there still are.
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I don't know if I know we did.
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I can't say they are right now, but they'd be foolhardy not to.
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You have to do proper research if you really want to solve a mystery.
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Now, keep in mind, let me also say, though, in defense of some of the other folks,
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you said we weren't interested in that very much because it didn't apply to today.
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When you know as well as either, you're talking to a three or four-star general,
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I can't show up and say, hey, boss, you need to see this document from 1950.
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They want to know what happened yesterday and what's happening today.
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Yeah, that's great, Lou, but I don't really care what happened 70 years ago.
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What happened to our F-18 yesterday that came into contact with the Bogey?
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That's what I want to know.
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I don't give a crap about that stuff.
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So, there is also this sense of urgency from an operational perspective.
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To keep it folks from a national security perspective,
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you're really not going to spend a whole lot of resources looking in the past
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as you are going to be looking into the present and trying to predict the future
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from a military and a national security perspective.
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I don't care about Japan's use of a Mitsubishi Zero back in World War II,
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as much as I care about maybe Chinese stealth technology being used today.
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Usually I wait till the end to ask these kind of questions, but
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Brother, what do you, what is this stuff?
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Is this nuts and bolts?
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Is this, I mean, I didn't realize that you were connected to how I'll put off.
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I've talked to a, I talked to skip out water, drove a monogool.
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I've done a handful of these guys.
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Edwin May, Angela Ford.
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I mean, I did not realize you were involved or whatever your involvement was with that.
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I mean, could this be,
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and I don't know what you know that you can't say,
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is it nuts and bolts?
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It's not just the fun I can talk about.
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Could this be some type of collective consciousness that all of these
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experiences are experiencing?
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I mean, we got the, we got neurolink coming online, you know, probably very soon.
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And I interviewed Andrew Huberman about we, we had a little bit of a talk about that and how,
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you know, it would technically be possible for, for with neurolink to create
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an entire false reality, motions, all of your senses, touch, taste, feel, feelings,
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you know, vision, you know, I mean, that's one of the things neurolink is going to do is,
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hopefully help blind see.
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I mean, is that a possibility?
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Is that what this could be?
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Or it could be everything and, and, and, and all of it together.
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Then we've got Grush who's coming out saying that they've, they have crash retrievals where,
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I mean, in everything so vague where we've recovered non-human biologics, is that,
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is that the terminology that's that he used to use?
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That he used to use to use to use to use to.
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I mean, that could be a, that could be a deer carcass next to an airplane crash.
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You know, I mean, I'm not saying that's what it is, but, you know, put a fancy term behind it,
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you know, like non-human biologics, okay, well, is that a, a dead mouse?
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I mean, it doesn't really mean that they're using non-human intelligence,
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NHI. So it's not just non-human biologics, it's, it's non-human intelligence.
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What does that mean?
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Well, intelligence refers that there's a higher functioning of the brain, right?
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And there's may even be, so to answer your question thoroughly, we first need to break down and have
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an agreement on certain terminology. So let's talk about, for example, consciousness.
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You hear that term use a lot, human consciousness, you know, but what does that mean?
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If you go to somewhere in California out by the beast and says, yeah, man, the world's about,
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the world is about to blossom and, you know, human consciousness, we're all together.
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Then you talk to a neuroscientist and they say, you know, it's actually a quantum process.
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It's actually probably based on quantum entanglement. And human consciousness is,
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is something that is distinctly different than, than human intellect and human physical sense.
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There's, there's another part of the human being, another component that makes a human
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decides a brain in a body. So we have to first agree what that means. Secondly,
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we also have to understand that the human being is an incredibly complex organism.
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My background is micro, I went to school professionally to be a microbiologist and an immunologist.
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So I am a disciple of science always have been always will be, I was never a science fiction kid.
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I always tell people I was more of a GI Joe kid than it was a Star Wars kid. So I was trained in
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science and empirical data collection. The scientific methods and principles. And then I became
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an agent, right, which is just a fax me. I'm kind of guy just give me the data. I don't care what
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you think. I don't care how you feel. Give me the data. Let's see what the data suggests.
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So, but I think we need to understand the notion of human consciousness are taxpayer dollars
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have been used to explore that idea over and over and over again. Because there is, there's
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enough information there to to suggest that there is there is something to this human consciousness.
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Like again, remote viewing program with Stargate, right? We actually did that against the Russian.
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And they did it against osome. We did against other targets. And to some degree, there was there was
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some real success there. Despite what some people may tell you, it was successful. It makes still be.
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But with that said, let's take a quick exercise on human consciousness and and trying to decide for
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what that means. You said you have a daughter, right? Do you love your daughter?
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Very much. Absolutely. It's so do I. But what if I said to you, prove it.
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Prove it to me, you love your daughter. How do you know what it is and what is love? I mean,
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we all feel it, right? But how do you know you really love your daughter? Well, you can't prove it
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because it's something that we all recognize as being real as part of us and our existence and our
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experience. But it's really hard to define. And you just know it. And of course, I love my daughter.
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I'll do anything for my daughter. But prove it. Well, dying for my daughter is improving. I love her.
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It's just proving that I'm dying. So, so how do you do that? How do you how do you define something that
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is that is inherently so hard to define now? Take that conversation and apply it to all of human
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consciousness. What is consciousness? What is it? Even, right? And is it possible that human beings
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have something indelible beyond the body and the mind, something that lives beyond, something
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that is greater than the physical sense and the intellectual sense? Look, you and I are if you
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compare us to a banana, I think we surely 75% of our DNA with a banana and like 99% with the
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chimpanzee. But if you were to compare a DNA, yeah, there's some differences. But for the most part,
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you both have two arms, two legs and fingers and two eyes and bilateral symmetry. So, we're not
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really physically that different. And then if I asked you about your brain, well, maybe it's a brain
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that makes Sean Ryan, who's Sean Ryan, he is well, okay, but if you look at the neural pathways and
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you go to a neural surgeon, they're kind of the same as mine and Meduila Blangada and the frontal
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cortex and you know, the parts of the brain are pretty consistent throughout other humans. That's
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why we can do brain surgery. You know, we're things, how things are wired for the most part.
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So, that's all what separates us. What makes Sean Ryan, Sean Ryan, what makes Sean Ryan willing to
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go to battle and go to war and potentially die for his country? Or Luis El Azango to do what he does?
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Well, that's the question. Is that where human consciousness lies? Is that where where human
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sentence is? And is that something that is shared with other higher life forms? Or is it specifically
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humans? I have five German shepherds, love them. And they all have human names. But let's face it,
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they're not really humans. And I talked to them like babies because that's what we do. Oh, you said
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you killed them by right. But in reality, it's a dog. Now, it's not a human, but because we are
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anthropomorphic creatures, because everything we do, we judge our entire sense of reality based
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upon what we know and who we are. So we superimpose that on other things that are alive. And sometimes
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you've been not alive. Why? Why people refer to their boats as a her, right? Oh, she's a beautiful
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boat. Because that's what we do in Naily. We are trying to to ascribe something else with our own
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values and attributes. It's just what we do instinctually. So when you're dealing with something that
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is potentially truly non-human, true potentially non-human and not earthly, how do you deal with
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something like that? Well, the only way you know how is by ascribing human attributes to it.
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You say, well, they're maybe motivated like us and they have, they're scared like us and they have
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whatever biases they have. We have those two and it's a way for us to relate to something that is,
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it's a way for us to know the unknowable potentially. And so we'll be talking about human consciousness
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and is it possible that these things are also part of a larger consciousness network? Well,
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it's possible. It's possible. Everything sentient has that, you know, so you have societies that
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will refer to that as as a soul or a chi or an aid or put whatever name you want to put on a spirit.
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But is that what really needs to be human? Because this is not really any different than yours.
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There's something else that makes Sean Ryan true. Sean Ryan is. And it's not your
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sense of self in this, but maybe not even your brain. So that's part of the, that's part of the
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discussion. And then, you know, you talked about about the five fundamental senses in which we
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judge our environment in the universe. And for millennial, a almost sapient sapient and modern
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format has been around, thought to most anthropologists, maybe the last two to four hundred thousand years.
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Earth has been around for four and a half billion years. So, so modern human have only been here in
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a blink of an eye. Really, just just say, yeah, pop in and and here we are. We have five fundamental
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senses by which we judge our environment. In fact, the way we process information. And if you can't
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touch it, taste it here, smell it, et cetera, we don't know it's there. In fact, it's one of the
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reasons why we use radio telescopes where I live in Wyoming. Beautiful, unacluded night skies.
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It's all the stars in the heavens. And yet when you look at that same part of the night sky through
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a radio telescope, what do you see? Oh, you see all sorts of new stuff. You see Medjolene clouds,
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and you see nebula things that you can't pick up with the human eye. In fact, most of space lies
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beyond our ability to directly perceive it. If you look at the electro optical spectrum between
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red and blue, right, the way we see the universe, that's only point zero zero three five percent of the
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entire electromagnetic spectrum. Again, point zero zero three five percent of the entire electromagnetic
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spectrum. That little narrow sliver of window, that's how we perceive our reality. So most of reality
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lies beyond that. Imagine if you had cell phone signal, a cell phone vision, and now you could see
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in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, and you could see in FM and AM and GPS, your perception of reality would be
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different, fundamentally different, and your awareness would be different than what it is right now.
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And then you have a scalability issue as human beings. If you look, I tell people, if you really
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want to get your mind blown, type up on Google or any search engine, the words pale blue dot.
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And what you're going to see is this black, inky blackness, and right in the middle about maybe two
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pixels large, a little blue fuzzy dot. What that dot is, is when we sent out the Voyager spacecraft
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on one of its last commands, we told it to turn around and take a picture of home of Earth.
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Everything you have ever known, you've ever learned, everything you ever loved, everything you
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have a fear, every person that ever lived in history, every person that ever died, ever is all on
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that tiny little blue dot hurling through the vacuum and inky blackness of space. Now that's
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uncomfortable for some people to think about. And then when you think about the size of the universe,
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modern right now, most astrophysics, physicists, and cosmologists agree that the visible horizon,
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meaning as far as we can see in any direction, from one end to the under the universe,
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is about 40 billion B billion light years. Now what's a light year? It's the time it takes in the
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distance traveled by a photon of light in one year. So how fast does light actually travel 186,000
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miles per second? That's seven and a half times around our planet in one second. Multiply that
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to a year. And now multiply that to 40 billion years, right? That is an enormous distance. And that's
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only only 10% of the actual size of the universe as predicted now by some scientists because most of
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the universe is too big. It's too far away. The light will never reach Earth. So now you're talking
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about a universe 100 billion light years and human beings is infinitesimally small spec right in
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the middle, right? As mind blowing as it is, if you take one hydrogen atom, Avogadro's number,
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6.23 or 6.28 times 10 to the negative 23 in size, that's roughly the same magnitude, order of magnitude.
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That atom is to us as we are to the universe, meaning we sit right in the middle of the scale of the
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universe. And mostly we can only interact with human beings with one order of magnitude or two
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orders of magnitude up or down. Otherwise, simply the universe is too big or too small. We will never
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know. And that's where most of reality actually lies. So for us to sit here and say, well, you know,
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these things that can't possibly be this and we know nothing. Our perception of the universe is so
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limited. It's like trying to look at the grand canyon through a soda straw. It's incomprehensibly
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large in complexion. We're always learning something new about our universe and our place in our
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universe. And so when you talk about human consciousness, I know this is a very long-winded way to have
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the conversation, but it's important because we don't understand consciousness. We don't understand
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how it works. If it's really part of quantum entanglement and where space and time is irrelevant,
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we live in a three-dimensional space with three axes, x, y, z, and x as plus time as a function of
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the fourth dimension. But we experience time linearly, unlike space where we can experience it
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three-dimensionally, for the most part, human beings experience time linearly, meaning it's one
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way. But is that really the way time works? Well, we know time is relative because GPS satellites
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that have an atomic cesium clock on board, which is the exact same atomic cesium clock we have at
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the ground station, we started noticing something very weird. We had something called atomic drift,
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meaning depending how far the satellite was, the GPS satellite was from the surface of the earth,
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the more there was a deviation in the time on that atomic cesium clock. Now, how is that possible
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if the atomic decay, half-life is exactly the same as the one on the ground? The reason is because
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time, the further you get away from a massive object, time runs at a different rate, literally at
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a different rate. And so we now know that the very notion of time isn't actually linear. And so
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I've often explained human consciousness, potential, potentially. This is just, I don't know the
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Fisheries, it's kind of the way I've experienced it, and especially if you talk to some remote viewers,
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you can imagine if I were to ask you a question, Sean, I say, Sean, give me your,
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give me your simplest and less than a sentence, few words as possible. If I were to ask you, Sean,
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what's your definition of the past? What would it be? And it's not a trick question. You
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enter it any way you want. It's simply as possible. Definition of the past. Definition of the past.
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What's your definition of the past? Prior experience. Right. Something that already happened, right?
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It already happened. And by that same definition, if I asked you, Sean, what's your definition of
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the future? What would it be? What's going to happen? What's going to happen yet, right? It's very
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simple. It already happened. It's going to happen. So by those definitions, if I say,
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they'll define for me the present, what is it? Well, the present isn't a moment of time.
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It's actually a transition process where the future becomes the past. And it happens so quickly
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and so fast that it's probably measured better in plank time than in actual human seconds.
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And it's not really a point. It's a process. And so if you look at, for example,
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let's look at a cigar where the ashes I've used this example before where the ashes of a cigar
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is the past. It's already been burnt up. That's it. You can't put it back together.
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The future is that part of the cigar that hasn't burned yet. And the present is the cherry.
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It's that moment of ignition where the tobacco is being consumed and turned into ash. Now,
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if you had the ability to look very carefully at the cherry of that cigar burning, you'd
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notice something very strange. Once you remove the glare and really focused in, you'd notice that
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the cherry of that cigar or the cigarette is burning unevenly. Meaning if you can get in there
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and squeeze inside and look, you would see that there are parts of that cigar that are igniting
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and becoming ash before other parts. And you can actually have parts that have not yet been
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consumed behind parts that have been consumed. There's this weird fuzziness there. And it's why some now,
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some physicist theorize what they call the atomic, electron cloud. When you and I were in
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school, we learned that an electron orbits an atom. It's not actually what's happened. We now
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realize it's a cloud. The electron is both there and not all at the same time. It's this weird
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duality principle because scientists believe that at that small of a level, the electrons are so small
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that you're actually able to zip in and out of reality. The fabric itself of space time,
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they're so small that can zip in and out of. And so they're everywhere and nowhere all at the same time.
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This is kind of more into the more quantum physics models of our understanding of the very,
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very small of our universe. They may even apply to the very, very large, but also may apply to
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human consciousness, which may explain why we invest so much time and money into things like
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remote viewing because if my brain is quantumly connected to your brain, then it doesn't matter how
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far away you are or what time it is, we can always connect. And maybe that is as some neuroscientists
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have speculated that human consciousness is actually a quantum process. It's actually your brain
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is like a quantum computer. And that's where that's the realm. That's the domain in which human
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consciousness lives. And if that's the case, it's a possible other higher forms of life.
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Also have that ability and that is actually not unique at all. In fact, when you see two dogs
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enter a room, some have speculated there's some sort of nonverbal communication going on.
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You ain't gonna understand it, but they do. And is it possible that human consciousness is really not
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that unique or special? In fact, many forms of life share that consciousness, a consciousness,
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and have the ability to communicate. Maybe things like remote viewing are actually vestigial
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capabilities. Meaning it's nothing new. We're not evolving to become superhuman. We've always had
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this. In fact, before we had verbal communication that is now global and virtually any language I
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can look up and translate, perhaps it was a survival technique. Perhaps we needed this type of
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ability to communicate and transmit information for our very survival.
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Well, a geomic monocle talks about this a little bit. When I interviewed him, he talks about
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before there was language, before there was pointing and grunting that it was the basically language
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has made us a lot more efficient. Right. Is we used to be. Correct. And the communications,
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while there were no words, it was a lot more efficient. I knew what you were thinking.
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You knew what I was thinking. Look, people say, well, that's a bunch of hoey. We're doing it now.
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We have, we can put on helmets and you can have an Air Force pilot sitting in a room with his
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thoughts, be able to fly a drone. There's talk about video games and these people that are really
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good gamers. It was only a few months ago that some gentleman, Quadruplegic, had a chip put in his
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brain and now he can play Call of Duty of all games better than most professional Call of Duty players.
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Why? Because it's this direct interface between thoughts to action. There's no neurons and
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neural pathways and having to translate electrical signals into motor signals, right, which is
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inefficient. It's just direct. Boom. Brain to the interface to the game, which is, which is
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arguably much more efficient, much faster. Would that not be the preferred way if you had an ability,
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I'm seeing this wonderful portrait of you and a helicopter up there. Imagine being able to
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exactly where you wanted to go when you wanted to go and how you wanted to go, right. All with
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this. Well, technology, we don't look now, but we're getting close to that now. We can almost do
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that now. You have technical interfaces that are helping people do things now that we're never
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So to say, well, that's a bunch of healing that technology would never exist. Hey, buddy,
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have you seen the news lately? Right? So I think you're right. And I think going back to the original
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question you had, which is, I know, forgive me. Way, way, way around. But it's important because we're
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talking about, you ask me, is this technological, is it consciousness? Could this all be related? What
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do I think about when people say that? You know, we have to, there's a lot we have to unpack here. We
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have to discuss what is consciousness. Is it something that is universal or is it just for humans?
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And is it, is it the thing that is mainly makes life life? And those are all really relevant
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questions. I can't answer that because I simply don't know. All I can do is, is provide for you
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my own experiences and some of the work that we did in A-Tip and some other efforts.
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But I think the jury is still out and I think in order to have that conversation, we first all have
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to agree what it means, even terms like something like consciousness because different people
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will interpret that word to mean something else. It's like love, right? I love my, I love my job,
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I love my car. Well, I love my kids. Well, that's a different type of love. Well, wait a minute,
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love is love. No, it's not. Love is in love. I love chocolate, but I don't love chocolate like
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I love my kids, right? And I love my wife differently than I love other folks. So, and other
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things. So maybe consciousness is the same way. Maybe there's not a single definition for what
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consciousness is. And I think that's part of it because we're trying to talk the same language,
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but in there, some of those words don't have the same universal meaning for every one of us,
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if that makes sense. Does make sense? How involved were you with the Stargate program?
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What I'm comfortable to talk about is that early in my career, I was brought into a very interesting
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program. The gentleman's name was Eugene Lessman. He was probably the top at the time, the top
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remote viewer for the United States Army. And that was my first experience. I was brought into a very
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strange program early in my career after, after getting out of the army. I didn't understand it. I
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didn't know what they wanted from me. Eugene had me do some things, I guess to test if I was a good
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candidate. And then very shortly thereafter, the program had the plug pull, the funding was pulled
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permanently. And I wound up having a regular normal job. So you were going to be a remote viewer?
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Well, they were, I got trained to do some of it. I didn't say I was a good one. There's a guy
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out there, a lot better, and gals a lot better than I was. But I can tell you it works.
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And how put off, if you, I'm not going to, if you ever interview how put off,
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say, Hey, Lou, want to me to ask you about the whole DC Metro incident on the red line?
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And let him tell you the story. Maybe you can connect with him? Absolutely. Absolutely. He's
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incredible human being. Him, another person, if you ever could get Dr. Kit Greene, Christopher Greene,
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we call Kit, Kit worked with me and how it worked with me on A-Tip.
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You know, the US government has had a long interest in, in remote viewing.
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I know some people find it funny, but we didn't stop that.
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I can't, I would not be able to elaborate if there's any programs that exist or don't exist anymore.
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But I'm not right. I remember. Look, it makes sense that if something works, you know,
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I hope we didn't stop that. But, um, I mean, we're always going as what, what do you make about?
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I mean, everyone may said that I believe he's don't quote me on this. You can go back and look
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the interview up. I believe Edwin May told me that remote viewers are only correct.
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Fort less than 40% of the time. Well, what's, and so what's correct? Right? So if you ask me to
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predict a lottery number, he says what's correct is what can be verified, which I tend to agree with.
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Sure. You know, and Joe had two that stick out to me. He, he remote viewed a mountain in Alaska.
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I believe it was in Alaska where they said that there he, he, he, he remote viewed some kind of
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non-human beings inside of a mountain. Sound alike, basically, like some type of space center.
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How about this? Let me ask you the shana. And we'll get back to it because Joe,
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Michael and those guys were really nother shit and stuff. Let me ask him. Let's say someone
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removed you and said, um, you got into a motorcycle accident when you were younger. It was a pretty bad
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motorcycle accident. Total your motorcycle. And it was a, it was an Enduro Yamaha motorcycle. And
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you turn and you said, no, actually, it was a Honda or a Kawasaki. Is that person right or wrong?
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They didn't get Kawasaki, right? But they got everything else right to include the injury that
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you sustained and the fact that you total your little Enduro motorcycle. So, so this is my point
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when they say, well, they weren't accurate. Well, what's accurate that they got 90% of it right
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and 10% wrong? So again, it goes back to the metric that's being used to save something's right.
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I will tell you that in my experience, some of this, yeah, some of the stuff was off off target.
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But some of the stuff was dead on. And I mean, dead on to the point where the United States actually
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successfully located a down Russian supersonic test plane that was being flown in a crash
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over the Congo, over in Africa. And no matter what, all the satellites we use in airplane, we couldn't
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find it in other countries of the Russians. Who found it? Remote viewers. Look at the story behind
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General Dozier and Brigade Rossa, Red Brigade and the killing of Aldemoro who was at the time,
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the president of Italy, and then they captured the kidnapped General Dozier. And they were going to
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kill him. And remote viewers got pretty close to being able to locate him. If you look at what they
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were doing, they got damn close to some actually say that's the reason why he was saved.
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Remote viewing can be very effective. Now, it's, but it's like any other collection data point.
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You know, there's bias. There's collection bias. And then you also have other issues. You have
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interference. You know, the human, that's why I say remote viewing should never be taken as a
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single source intelligence capability. It should be there as an additive capability, right? So
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just like when you're collecting intelligence now, you have a human source, but you never just go
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with human. You go with SIG and you go with EEL and you go with, you know, whatever other
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hints you need intelligence collection capabilities to bolster or to negate pieces of information
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that you're receiving. You never want to take single source reporting. You always want to have
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a comprehensive capability that has multiple sources of feeds of information. And then you
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base your conclusions off of that data. So what do you make of stuff like that mountain or
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which I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. What do you make of that?
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You know, I find it interesting. There's people who've removed viewed stuff in Antarctica.
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People that have removed viewed stuff. I mean, Joe removed viewed Mars. I can't remember the years.
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He's not the only one. We were 3000 BC, the pyramid. You know, you know, talking about. Yeah, I mean,
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there's a book. Really interesting book. This really all kind of kind of blew up when there was
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a army captain, his Ranger, sustained a TBI in an exercise. I think it would have been bright start
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in Egypt. And he had a wound. To his head, I think it was called by a graze bullet that caused
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some damage. And he was on his way to getting out of the army because he said he saw things.
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And he thought there were hallucinations. And long story short, he got actually recruited into
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into the start gate program and to remove because he's actually a very good remote viewer.
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And the name of the book is called psychic warrior. I don't believe the gentleman is practicing
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anymore. I think he had maybe had some complications as a result of it. But that was really the first
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book that came out that really kind of revealed the start gate program and kind of the day-to-day
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operations of what they were doing and what we were trying to find and the type of things that
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were going on. So if you want an interesting book to read or anybody in your audience that listens,
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pick up the book, psychic warrior. I'm not promoting, by the way, I'm not promoting, it's a good book,
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or it's a bad book, but it's an interesting way to kind of get a sneak peek behind what,
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what, somewhere that people in the government, our government, our intelligence community were
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doing with CIA and DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, Central Intelligence Agency. And even the
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Bureau, it's just some degree, believe it or not, were involved with regarding removing.
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It can be very effective. I mean, the Mars thing, I mean, in the Alaska thing, it didn't sound like
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there was a lot of follow-up on that. So now we have technology, right? We can confirm
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by sending probes and to the moon and to Mars and other things to substantiate if what the
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remote viewer is seeing is accurate. So again, was there any follow-up?
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So that was, if there was, I wasn't part of that. That was, that was significantly before my time.
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My folks, now there was a very interesting boy home, like how might get mad at me for this.
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No, I can talk about this. So as a result of removing some of the reports were very classified.
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There was one in particular incident with an individual. It might have been with Ingoswan, actually,
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not mistaken. It might be mistaken. So let me just caveat. It was with a very good
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remote viewer where their target was a Russian submarine. And they were providing the description
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on this new. It might have been a typhoon class submarine. I don't know, probably before that. But it
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was one of the latest new submarines that the Russians was deploying. And this was general.
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Very, very. And you, well, did you, did you find out what was following the nuclear submarine?
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No. UAP. No. Well, that's interesting. Well, what else do you say? Well, that's interesting,
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but do you want to know what's following it? They're like, yeah, in goes, there's a UFO following
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the sub. Yeah. So people like Hal Pudoff, who I consider national treasure,
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talked to him, talked to him if you can, because he's not getting any younger. He really is an
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American patriot that did a law for his country. Took a lot of crap for what he was doing.
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He got accused of all sorts of nonsensical crap from his haters, you know,
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something I think we both can appreciate quite a bit. But in reality, you know, he did a law for
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his country. And a lot of that was extremely, extremely successful. And the fidelity of the
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information was right on the money. Interesting. It's fascinating subject. Quantum entanglement.
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Well, that's, look, I'm not a quantum physicist. You know, I didn't sleep at a holiday
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even expressed, but I'm not a quantum physicist. I would talk to folks like that, talks maybe
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about Eric Davis, Dr. Eric Davis as well. Hal Pudoff, Kit Green, Kit Green is also a medical doctor
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who understands things very, very well from an biological and medical perspective. And I'm sure
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he has his opinions on that as well. What was Davis's name? Eric Davis, Dr. Hal Pudoff, Dr.
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Eric Davis, and Dr. Kit Green.
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By the way, all of them patriots, all of them great, great work for our country.
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All right, let's, let's get a little side track there. Maybe I'll actually hit this outline eventually.
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But, you know, let's talk about your involvement in army intelligence and how you got involved
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with A-Tip. How did that happen? Well, they weren't the same. It wasn't the same journey. So I,
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I grew up, I think I kind of mentioned I had a bit of a dysfunctional upbringing.
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My, to tell you about how I got here, I need to really tell you about who I was and how I started.
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So my father was a revolutionary. He was a revolutionary in Cuba. At the time, there was,
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there was this dictating Batista, Batista in Cuba. And there were, there was corruption issues.
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So my father with some other people, people like Fidel Castro, Chellara,
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realized that Batista wasn't good for the country. So they trained in the mountains and they
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overthrew the country in a coup. And Castro had promised freedom and democracy and elections and
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had a little bit of support from the US government to do that. And he took over. And when he took over,
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he very quickly turned and pronounced himself pretty much president for life, which is a dictator,
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not a president. And he sided with the Russians. And that was a problem. So my father basically
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telling his friends, hey, this is not what I signed up for. He said he was going to, you know,
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offer freedom and democracy in the studies. He's just as bad as Batista. So my father told his family
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that he was going to the United States to study English. Instead, when Toru Lando talked to some
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people in the CIA and joined the revolution, brigade 20506. But he got them into Cinco-Sero-Says.
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And so he went to Guatemala, trained in the jungles of Guatemala, and then was on the US as Houston
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boat that went from Guatemala for the invasion of Cuba. They landed on the beach.
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And my father was subsequently captured. And for about two years, spent his time in Castro's
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prisons. The last one was called Isla de Papinios, out of the pines. Or my father had, he had
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a tooth that had, I guess, become, it had erupted and he had an infection. So they did surgery on him
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without anesthesia. And for food, they, they ate boiled horse hoof, right? So a really bad experience.
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Long story short, two years later, he comes to the United States. And my mom and him have what
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they call way. My dad always called it the romance of the century. My mother was this beautiful
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bombshell model. She worked as a playboy bunny. She was a model. Are you serious? Yeah.
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While you were alive? No, no, this is leading up to me. And so they were, they were, my mother
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was this beautiful bombshell, very free spirit. And she had a really troubled past herself. So
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never like to talk about her family. But this young, dashing Cuban revolutionary, and they fell in
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love. And although interestingly, they never officially got married. I found out later, even
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until they said they were married. They never were married. So as a young kid, I remember living in a
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wonderful, wonderful, loving family environment until it wasn't. My father, you know, for, for
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30 minutes of the day they had, again, the romance of the century, the other 23 and a half hours were,
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were hell. My father, mother, fought very violent. And then when the marriage finally ended and
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they divorced, I was, I was, my whole world went upside down. The bank repossessed the house,
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my mother and I were living in. I had to sell my clothes out of flea market so my mom could pay rent.
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Various male figures in and out of her life. She struggled. She struggled so much. My father went
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from being very successful entrepreneur and restaurateur to now working in a wood factory. And I was
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making more as a bus boy at Red Lobster than my father was making at the wood factory. And they
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were living separately. And I was caught in the middle. I went to big public school and really bad for me,
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bullied bad, bad, bad, bad. I was, I was a pretty interesting kid. So because of that, I got angry.
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And one day I decided, so I'm going to get beat up and might as well, you know, grab one of these
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guys with me and take them down, I guess. And I did. And that led, and I got in trouble,
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what's the pool for it. But I was very empowering for me because I never liked bullies. I hated it,
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but I was too afraid to do anything about it. And so one day I fought back. And I fought back hard,
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and I realized I was pretty good at it. And I started fighting a lot, too much. And my public
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school, I wasn't very popular. Really rough, really dark times for me, bounced around a lot,
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many different homes. I was angry. And I joined JROTC. Now JROTC at the time is what it is now.
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I went to a big public school. I went to a school that was still engaged in the now controversial
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practice of called busing, where they would take kids from different parts of the sociodemographics
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and underprivileged kids, and they would bus them into a different school to try to give them
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opportunity. So ROTC was kind of a last to chefford. If you were a bad kid getting in trouble all
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the time, you were kind of forced into ROTC, I guess, for discipline reasons. And so most people,
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if you weren't a popular kid in a joke, and you went to ROTC, you went to juvenile hall.
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Really, it was kind of that way. I had a different experience. All of a sudden met people that
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felt just like me. And we had the sense of camaraderie. And I found strength in that. And I loved it.
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And it was the military that I realized would save me. And it would teach me how not to be.
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And so I went into college very poor. So I had to pay for it. So I became a bouncer at a lot of
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the various night clubs. I convinced myself I would take those jobs because I could go to school
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during the day, and then I could make money at night cash under the table. And that was a way I was
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going to support myself through college. The reality is it was an excuse to fight. And I didn't
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realize until I got older and I got mature and I realized why I was doing what I was doing. I was
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still very angry. And I just wanted to teach bullies a lesson and a lot of hurt inside. So I
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needed to let them do that realization. Oh, fatherhood, marriage, time. I was an angry young man for
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a very good portion of my younger years. And it was, you know, anger can be like rocket fuel.
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It's very volatile. And you can use it to really propel yourself. But also it's like rocket
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fuel is very caustic. It can eat you up inside. It's like acid. And over time,
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it can destroy yourself. And I realized that I needed to do so. I needed to figure this out.
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Because my motivation for doing things while I would tell myself one thing was really for some
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other reason. Self-delusion can really be a powerful thing when you're younger. So I went to college,
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studied microbiology and immunology. Again, the wrong reasons. I was told by my family who at that
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point kind of dissowned me, extended family, like, oh, he'll never make it to college. And if he
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does, he'll never make it past his first semester. So I chose the hardest major. To the final.
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I'm going to go to medical program. I'm going to be a microbiologist and an immunologist. You? Yeah.
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That's what I'm going to do. And so I did, again, motivated for the wrong reasons.
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Fortunately, it worked out to my benefit. I actually enjoyed it a lot. And use some of that later on
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in my life and my career. So finishing college, I was in a lot of debt. Really, not a whole lot of
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options. I didn't want to spend the rest of my life looking through a petri dish in a microscope.
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I joined the Army. Now, what I didn't say is early on when I was a young man in high school.
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And before that, as a young, even seven years old, my father had this idea that I would
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join the new revolution. Alpha 66 and retake Cuba. So me and myself and some other kids
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were always taught weird paramilitary skills. How to disassemble a collation of cough. And what's
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the difference between a 223 or 5.6 and a 6.2 by 37 in versus 39. And my dad, when I was eight,
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taught me how to fly a plane by 11. I was scuba diving. How to build explosives and provide
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explosive devices in the kitchen using household products. Like really weird stuff that's not healthy
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for a kid to learn. But my father had this desire, I guess, for me to accomplish the mission that
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was his mission. It was never really my mission. But I think he felt that somehow that I would,
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I would do it and help liberate Cuba. That was his number on parragette for every Sunday.
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I remember as a kid and he was volatile man. He was volcanic when he blew up man. He was,
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someone was going to jail and it was usually my dad. He was very intellectual and very smart.
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But he was also exceedingly volatile. And as a kid, I was terrified of my father because of that,
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because he was unpredictable. And I didn't want to be like, I wanted to be like my father,
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but I didn't, if that makes sense. I wanted to be like the good parts of my father, but I didn't
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want to be like that, like the anger. And I was turning out to be that way. I was doing the
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thing things. Finding excuses to get into fights and kick people's butts. And it wasn't healthy.
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And all for the wrong reasons. So after college, I went into the army and an opportunity to go in
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as an officer because of my college degree. And my father's words were always ringing in the back
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of my head and in my ears. He said, look son, if you want to be a leader, you first know what,
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you first must know what it means to follow. So I enlisted. I enlisted in the army. And had a chance
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to learn some stuff in the army. Very short period of time, you know, people will always go back
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and say, oh, you're this hero. I'm not a hero. I know I'm not a hero because I know what a real
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hero is. And most of those heroes aren't here to tell their story. You know, I suffer from really bad
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bad imposter syndrome because people see you in uniform. They see the pictures of you in, you know,
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various situations. And they're like, oh, my God, that's a year so brave. No, there's people out there
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that had a hell of a lot worse than that a lot more than me. You know, the real heroes are the
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guys and gals that aren't here to tell their story. It's the families that are left behind that
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have to have the Christmas and birthdays without the service member and going to PTA meetings and
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cooking dinners every night and doing homework. Those are the heroes. What I did was easy,
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comparatively speaking, you know, the real hero is the female helicopter pilot who's low on fuel,
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but she's not going to leave her little ducklings behind so she can you, she needs to stay on the
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LZ and stay and stay and stay and stay and take around after round after round until finally the
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helicopter gets shut down out of the sky, right? That's the hero. So all this other bullshit
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people come, oh, a little hero, save it for that shit for somebody who actually believes it.
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I'm not a hero. I'm just a patriot doing his job. So long story short, in the army for a little
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bit, and then I got recruited out of there into a special program called the special. Maybe it was,
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but for different reasons. I improve. You do not have to be intelligent to be an intelligence.
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Let me just say that, but it was an opportunity that I that I relished. So I joined a special
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activities program. Did that for a while during that process of the recruitment is when Gene
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Lesbian came into my life and I learned a little bit about the remote viewing program, you might say.
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And then spent my time early in my career doing counterinsurgency, counter gorilla operations,
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and some counter narcotic support mostly against in Latin America because my language is being
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Spanish. So think of FARC, right? And ELA and and and and du pa cabarros and and stuff like that.
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If you're probably you're probably too young for this, but we had something called plan Colombia
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that was arguably probably not so effective. But was that plan Colombia was a US government effort.
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Usually with Charlie third of the seventh special forces, there was a DMZ area,
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demilitarized zone between Colombia and the gofuerzas, aramadas, revolution, de Colombia,
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FARC, terrorist organization. They called themselves gorillas, but they did bad stuff, kidnappings,
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and dope and stuff like that. So there was this demilitarized zone and you had these three areas,
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tres esquinas, API and larandia, where these cities where where we had SF and intel people
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doing counterinsurgency counter narcotics missions, where we were trying to pump in a lot of American
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resources and money and support to help the Colombian government get rid of the FARC. Again,
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this is back in the days. So this is late 90s and stuff like that. So we were involved in stuff
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like that. Then long story short, little later 9-11 happened and very short of thereafter,
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I found myself in some weird place in the middle of nowhere and it was back in stand called K2,
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Kashi Kanabada. And I programmed that place a bit. It was crazy. It's been a little time there.
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And then what were you doing there? Prepping to go down south. We were, we were, I was only there
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for maybe four or five days and none of the next things smoking into Kandar back in 2001.
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Now it's long story short, I digress. I spent the next years and years after that.
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So we were in the attached to that. Special agent. So we were with J. Sodef Dagger.
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Good. So we had a small intel. That's where I met General Mattis for the first time.
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Incredible human being. Nice. Yeah. But anyways, long story short,
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found myself there in Middle East quite a bit. And then I racked cooks off and I did some work
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with that effort. And then I wound up promoting myself to a desk job. So I went from being a
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special agent in charge and running counterintelligence, counter espionage, counterterrorism operations,
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some cross-border operation stuff and to getting a job in DC. Kind of what happened.
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You get promoted to a point where they pull you out of the field and they'll take, okay, now
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now you're going to manage budgets, right? And stuff like that and personnel. So I did that.
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And then it was in 2008. I was at the time, the director of national intelligence as a senior
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intel official there. And the commute was killing me. I lived on this little tiny island called
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Kent Island in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay, which was great to raise a family, right? That's
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having daughters kind of given the normal life. They can ride their bikes, you know, to worry about
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crazy people in the town. But my commute was terrible. So if you know a little bit where the direct
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DNI is, it's actually past the CIA. It's right past Langley. And the commute was like three hours
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each way from me. And so I was sometimes in the car getting and coming from work, then I was
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actually at work. It was brutal. So I had an opportunity come back to the Pentagon for a one-year
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JDA joint duty assignment. And that's when Clapper is like, you know, I need somebody to run
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law enforcement and intelligence integration. We want to get local law enforcement somehow figured
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how do we get national level intelligence counterterrorism information that's classified down to a level
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where people can do something with it. But they don't have a security clearance. So how do you do it?
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Right? So you create this tear line and stuff like that. So I was brought back for that and very
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immediately there afterwards is two people came in to my office. I was in Crystal City at the time
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at a particular location. They still don't want me to talk about so I won't. But beautiful corner
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office. And two people come in, talk to me and say, hey, you know, you've got some background
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in this and that. And early in my career, I forgot to tell you this. I did some work on UAS.
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So unmanned aerial systems. So drones. All the different types of drones that we had at the time,
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which were fundamentally pretty basic actually. But I did some of that. I did some advanced
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avionics protection and technology, high energy laser technology, first stage, second stage,
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solid and liquid rocket booster motor engines, some space platforms. So when they came and
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talked to me, they say, hey, we know you have a CI background. And we'd like you to consider
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working with us in a special project. Didn't know at all what it was. Had no idea. And after several
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of those meetings, I said, look, our director would like to meet you. So I said, okay,
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sure, we set up a meeting and I went to another undisclosed location where they were. He was at.
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I remember going up there and it was, it was our, he, the epitome of a true, whatever you think,
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a rocket scientist in your brain. That's who this guy was. Kind of disheveled hair,
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tie a little crooked glasses. And he happened to me at the time, the US government's premier rocket
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scientist, like for real real, like the best rocket scientist in the US government. Super, super,
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super smart. And we had our conversation. Then he looked at me towards very, and he says, so I
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got to ask you, yeah. This is what you think about UFOs. So I thought about and I looked at him,
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I told the truth. I don't. He said, well, what do you mean? You don't believe in him? I didn't say
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that. You asked me, what do I think about UFOs? My response is I don't think about them. They don't
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have the time. I don't have the luxury. I'm too busy, you know, do another stuff and chasing bad
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guys and stuff like that. I don't think about them. And he looked at me and he said, that's fair enough.
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He said, but let me give you some advice. Actually, my didn't say, let me warn you. He said, don't let your
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analytic bias get the best of you. Because what you learn here may challenge that. And at this
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point, I still didn't know what they were looking at. I had no idea, but he just said, you have
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a full out of the blue. I'm like, what? And this whole time, the two people that had come to my
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office were telling me, this is very sensitive. This is very sensitive. We can't tell you what it's
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about, but our boss can. And they need somebody with counterintelligence experience to run the
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counterintelligence and security aspect for the portfolio because they're worried that the Russians
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are Chinese were trying to expose them, but I get it. You know, America's running a secret UFO
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program. Yeah, the Russians don't want to know. So very shortly thereafter, I realized the true
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focus of A-Tip. And it was to look at, I realized at that point, the US government was taking very,
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very seriously encounters of UAP over controlled military airspace and over our sensitive facilities.
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And the more we looked into it, the more we realized not only was it real, but it's a real national
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security issue. Like we got real, we got real stuff happening where these, I've got another
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document here. These things actually interfered with our ability to for nuclear strike capability.
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And think about that, right? Our restricted ability to launch if we're attacked by the Russian,
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the UAP was able to turn off an entire flight of, of, of news. Now, what's a flight of
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new to think of a Christmas tree light where each light is a, is a, is a, is a military, is a nuclear
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silo, and you've got this kind of central command post. Well, they were all taken off line by
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a UAP. And by the way, one of the intelligence reports I have, and I can say I can, I can read it
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to you. It's not conjecture. It's like, oh, well, maybe no. They every, they saw the UAP and all
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of a sudden boom, the entire flight goes down. And only when the UFO left, did the, the, the
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nukes come back online. And, and if that's not scary enough, we had intelligence reports that,
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that the same thing happened in Russia, but there, they were turned on to a ready position.
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Like where ours were turned off, there's returned on. So, yeah. So we, we had serious concerns.
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And while all stuff was looking at other stuff as well regarding the ranch,
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my focus was really the national security issue of look. It's very simple.
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We have a capability of technology that's been demonstrated that can enter our airspace
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completely unchallenged of ununorigin. And who has, seems to be interested in our military
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equities or military capabilities. And oh, by the way, has demonstrated ability to interfere with
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unnuclear technologies. Now, if that's not a national security issue or, or, or a, a Department
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of Defense mission or intelligence mission is that I don't know what is, right? That's the very
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definition of a national security threat. So that was what, that was the impetus, I think, for
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a lot of my colleagues in mind. And now, you know, being the new kid on the block, I'm kind of
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walking around with like, oh my gosh, wow, wow, wow, that's real. Wait a minute, Roswell's real.
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You know, and my, my scientists have been, you know, there forever and part of other,
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or the efforts with the US government kind of putting their hand on my shoulder. Be like, yeah,
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you're going to learn a lot here, buddy. You know, buckle up, it's going to be a wild ride and boy,
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were they right. I worked with some of America's finest in that capacity, really, really good people.
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And then in 2017 and October 4th, I resigned from my beloved, my beloved department.
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Why did you resign? So, um, we have to backtrack here. There was an aerospace defense contractor
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that had agreed to surrender their crash retrieval material to us because we were the government,
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we're running the program. We had a facility, specially built at a SAPF level, SAPF facility,
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level. And so, they said, here's a catch, you need to need, because we have this existing
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memorandum from the secretary of the Air Force saying we can't, we have to, we have to possess
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this stuff. If you can get another memo from the secretary of the Air Force saying we can give it to
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you, we'll give it to you because we, this is a live bill at this point. We're keeping the lights on,
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it's very expensive. We don't want to deal with this anymore. You can have the material. We've
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exploited what we can exploit from it. The problem is Secretary of the Air Force didn't want to play
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ball. So, along comes Mattis and thank God Trump gets their, brings Mattis in. I'm like, my whole
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friends back, if we can't get a memorandum of approval from the secretary of the Air Force,
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I'll just go above them and I'll just go straight to SecDeft. I'll just go to Daddy Mattis,
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you know, and say, hey Jim, I need some help. But you know, to how Command and Control works,
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and we understand China Command. So, I was always very careful never to just intercept
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them possible. Okay, Boston, you talked to you. It's had many levels above me that I would have to go
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through. The problem is my direct, one of my direct supervisors at the time, I knew this, but nobody
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else had had several IG investigations against him. So, I couldn't trust him. And so, what I did is,
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I went around him and I was briefing with the concurrence of the Secretary of the Front Office.
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I was briefing the Secretary's staff, the his direct, the White House advisor,
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National Security Council advisor, and another advisor who I not allowed to say who they worked,
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well, say they worked for the CIA, I can't say who they were. They were the three head people
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for the Secretary. They're open to Secretary's suite. If you've been there, you know,
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where I'm talking about right there on the e-ring. And on the river entrance. And so, I was
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briefing them on a weekly basis, weekly basis. Yeah, this is important. Louis, I had the pilots come
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in, I had the radar operators come in, I had the reports, I got the documents, I got the photographs,
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I got the videos, I got the briefings, I got, you know, stack a crap this big every time coming in.
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And they're like, yeah, this is important. The problem is, we can't brief the Secretary of
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Defense just yet. I'm like, well, you can't wait. He has to know because if something happened,
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we were getting, we had these ships, the Roosevelt, that's being literally stocked by UAP on a daily
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basis. I mean, have these emails on Siprinet saying, hey, Louis, I can't keep people to
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blow debt forever. What do you want me to do? These, they're all over the ship, right? So, I'm like,
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okay, don't worry, the calvary is coming. We're working this. We're going to get you the relief.
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You're looking for a gotcha. The problem is that people in the head shed didn't want to do anything
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until the boss until we had a, at the time, our undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, the US,
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the head senior principal staff assistant for the secretary from all things intelligence.
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Wasn't a Senate confirmed person. So, they wanted to wait and wait until they got somebody into
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air said it confirmed. Brief the US AI who then we would brief the secretary of mass. Like,
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you're telling them, guys, don't let bureaucracy get in your way. Don't do it. We cannot afford the
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weight. He needs to know now that what's happening in the field, I can't keep a lid on it anymore.
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It's going to be, everybody's going to know this. And I also think there may have been some
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to protect the boss, which I totally get. Nobody wants to be the one to tell the boss, hey, look,
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we got a problem boss. There's something in our skies. We don't know what it is. We don't know how
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it works. We don't know where it's from. We don't know it is behind the wheel and know, by the way,
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it's interested in our stuff. It's not a great conversation to have with somebody, you know,
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especially like K.O., Mad Dog Madison or others call him K.O.s. He wants answers. And if you ever
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work with a guy in the field, you know, General Madison is a very serious guy, very learned. He's
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a guy who wants more information, not less. And then last but not least, I suspect what they
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didn't want to do is give the boss some information, only to be asked a week later by the media.
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I've been briefed on UFOs and you would have to say for the record, yeah, I've been briefed on
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UFOs, right? So there's many reasons for it. And looking back, I can't understand it, but at the
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time I was very frustrated. And so I knew that the only way I'd be able to get the secretary's
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attention without breaking that chain of command, I could have walked in anytime I wanted to into his
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front office. And I have. But you and I both know you don't break the chain of command.
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You can't break the rules to enforce the rules. You can't do it. It doesn't work that way. You can't
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break the law to enforce the law. And so I was very cognizant of that. So I did what most people do
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in my situation. I resigned and I knew that my resignation, you addressed my resignation,
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I went directly to him knowing that they would not be able to stop that. And they tried, by the way,
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even that they tried. But I told him very point blank in my resignation, I said, sorry, you need
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to be aware, this is real. And this has the ability to impact our nuclear capabilities or military
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readiness. And it's a problem you're going to have to deal with. And could you been in touch with
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them since then? I have not. No, I think he lives overseas right now with his lady. But there's
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some back channel discussions that occurred. It's for him to say not me. I respect him tremendously.
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He was a great leader in the military politically. I don't know. I'm not talking politics right. I
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did a lot of politician. But he was a very effective leader. And let's not forget, look,
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almost a year later today, he resigned too, right? That's what you do when you can't,
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when you can't fix something internally, you don't become a problem inside. You leave. You do what
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you're supposed to do and say, okay, I sir, and you roll out. And then if you want to,
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if you want to speak your piece outside fine, but don't cause problems inside the chain of command,
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that's that that is unforgivable. And I agree with that. I know some people differ with me on
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that perspective, but it's the way I feel. So we keep talking about UFOs and UAPs interfering with
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our nuclear arsenal. What are we doing to, what are we doing to combat that? Well, I think this
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new administration is going to do a lot like what? Well, let me let the administration first get a
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handle on what's going on and decide what they want to do. You know, a nuclear facility isn't just
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carbon defense, not just air force, you have a Department of Energy there. You have all sorts of
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different organizations there that are part of the calculus, right? So you've got, you've got a lot
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of equities. First of all, then you get a handle on what's going on. And by the way, for the record,
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I am extremely optimistic about this administration. I think this is the best thing that could have
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happened to this country. I get a lot of shit for it, but this is something I know several individuals
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on the cabinet. I'm going to say who that are very interested in transparency for the American
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people, like sincerely, really want transparency. Well, also understanding we have to protect
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national secrets, right? So I think I think I think there is going to be some things done
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that will prevent any type of hopefully any type of interference in the future of our nuclear
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equities. Now, that's not to say, I mean, if something is super highly advanced and they're using
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a capability we don't understand, then I need to defend against that, right? Well, I mean, you know,
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they didn't now they have this, you know, interview Joe Lonstill,
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Epirus, the director, the MP weapon that we can take out 100 drones plus at once. I mean,
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is that something we could implement? Yeah. And we already should have implemented it. You know,
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this last administration, drag their feet, no, we can't do anything about it. It's how you can't.
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Yes, you can. And you should. You know, this is my frustration. When we allow politics to drive
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national level decisions involving security without having the expertise in house or resident,
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then everything becomes a political calculus. And that's fine until you talk about national security.
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There has to be an emphasis on national security especially with our nuclear equities.
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I mean, what do you make of this? It was that that that video, the whistleblower, the saw, I think it
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was an Air Force special operations guy that came out recently, the whistleblower that came out about
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the the egg-shaped craft that we picked up. There's a little video on night vision. We're going to
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overlay it right now on the video. But I mean, what do you make of this? He says it's an alien
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craft. Well, I first of all, anytime a veteran comes out, I always give them
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difference. Why? Because I don't care if they're wrong or not, they earned that privilege to speak
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their mind. Secondly, he is who he says he is. He is a former special operator. That is fact.
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So whether you are a Navy SEAL or you're an Air Force PJ or you're an Army special operator,
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these are folks that are not just trained observers, as you know, but they're highly skilled.
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And you go through a battery of psychological evaluations and sometimes polygraphs and drug testing.
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These are really representing the best of the best tip of the spear. That's why they're the tip of
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the spear. Where was that retrieved? You know what? I don't want to talk too much about
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history because it's really up to me. You asked me about him as a person. I believe he is speaking
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his truth. I believe he is doing what he believes is correct. And for that, I support him. I was not
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there for that recovery. I was not there when he decided to come out. Did you see anything like that
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before? There's reports of a vehicle shaped exactly. Lonnie Zamora. I mean, read the case. He was
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a cop and he talked about an egg-shade craft just like that back in the 60s, right? Or so,
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you know, the morphology of this is not anything new. The question is, is that what it was?
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Or was it, you know, something else? I don't know, but he, the fact that he's willing to come out
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publicly and have us tell this conversation, I think is important. And I hope that other people
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do too. And people come out and start poo-pilling him. Well, you wonder why more or more or more
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or so come out. Look at the way I was treated. I'm not poo-pilling him. I'm just saying.
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No, no, no, no, no, of course, I'm not, I'm not a mean you. I mean, I mean that rhetorically.
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People in general will say, well, you know, how can we not have more whistleblowers? Well,
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look when the whistleblowers come out, how they're treated. Look at poor Dave Grooge. Here's a guy
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who I served with. We were at Space Force together working the UFO topic, working for the UAP task
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force. That's what we were doing. I was a job, right? He comes out 24 hours after testifying
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a Congress. What happens? Two guys from the CIA apparently leak his, his, his information, medical
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information and try to use his PTSD against him. You know what? F you. Look, low life piece of crap
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person that would use somebody's combat PTSD against him. That is, you know, you who never
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done nothing, never popped nothing, never served nobody. You don't deserve it. Get your ass in the
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corner because that guy was here. He actually did the right thing. I saw him every day. And by the way,
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everything he said was absolutely everything he told Congress was correct. And a lot more he
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knows that he hasn't said. And so what's his, what's his reward for speaking his truth? What happened?
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Oh, this guy, alcohol, this guy PTSD. I mean, that, that is the reaction by certain elements within
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a corrupt system. And by the way, that's my real issue. That's what motivates me every single day to
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come out. It's not just the UAP topic. We've got a very significant issue on our hands right now.
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And it's been there for a while. Let's speak. It's become a cancer in our government. And that
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concerns me because that, that, that, that threatens everything. That threatens everybody. And, you know,
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unless you ask me, I won't go down that road. But, but that to me is a much greater national security
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issue than UAPs ever were. What do you think he's open by coming out with us? I think he's forced,
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do you think he's trying to force the government to reveal something? Yeah, he's trying to,
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trying to do what I did. And other colleagues of mine, let America know the truth without getting
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in trouble, without being thrown into jail and wearing an orange jumpsuit. You know, the problem is
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that there's a very sophisticated capability to try to smear people like that. I've been fit.
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The way to the real truth starts to hit people are going to go crazy. When people find out the length
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that some individuals in this system were willing to go to to keep us quiet. You wait till that,
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wait till that shoe drops. That's coming out. You think it's going to come out? Oh, I know it's
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coming out. Absolutely. Yes, sir. Is there any relationship between that? And I mean, I know,
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did you watch my interview with Sam Schumate? The Matthews Lv. Spurry. You have to forget me, Chris.
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It's okay. You know about Matthews Lv. is the cyber truck. He's former Graham Beret. Yes.
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Lv. Disciber. I know. I know the story very well. Okay. And I know what you did. I didn't see the
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interview. I apologize. Fine. But I know very well that scenario and the email you received and
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the information you received in the email, he talks about grvidic propulsion systems. Is there
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any relationship between that and what the software and just revealed in the in the short night vision
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video? There is a relationship to the story. If it turns out that that video is authentic and
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legitimate, then the answer is an absolute yes. But first, that video, again, I wasn't there to
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shoot the video. So I want to be very careful what I say. But anti-grvidics has always been the
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holy grail for us. And there's several reasons for it. But if you can understand and somehow control
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and master anti-grvidics, then that is going whoever figures that out is going to put you about
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200 years ahead of everybody else. And that's that's that's big. That's big.
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We kind of talked about this at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. You know, anti-grvidics is the holy grail.
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All sorts of things. It's not just being able to fly without any obvious signs of propulsion or
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without wings and control surfaces. Again, space time. You understand anti-gravity and the
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warping of space time, then distance doesn't mean so much to you. Time is a little more flexible.
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And so there's a reason why the US government doesn't even like to talk about it or any other
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government. Yeah. We looked into it. It's just a science fiction term. Is it all we could find?
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Couldn't find anything. Yeah. It's an interesting world we live in.
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It sounds like you know about this. Do you know about this?
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I you know when it comes to to certain capabilities, I'm not going to go there.
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You know, people just have to see. I don't want to I don't want to be like I'm trying to do this in
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a constructive way, not a destructive way. I'm extremely loyal. People think I left the
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department at disloyalty. No, I left the department out of loyalty. But I want to I want to do the right
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thing without I want to have the conversation without being destructive. And the reason why I left
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the Pentagon was really just to finish the mission they gave me in the first place.
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What about the New Jersey drones? Yeah. You know, it would that came out what about a month ago,
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whenever the other one just New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Florida, California, Oregon,
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Washington, even in the UK, when I think it kind of spawned out of control. I mean, every
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asshole with a drone was thrown it up and taken videos of it. Sure. And I'm not worried about those
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media. My concern is when you have some that have been reported to the size of an SUV or more
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importantly, aren't blinking. First of all, they're not squawking. There's no transponder on them,
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which if there's as a large enough commercial drone they're supposed to, then secondly,
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the light patterns we're not consistent with in some cases, not with navigational aviation
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lights. And then third, they were silent. And fourth, when we actually deployed drones to try to
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intercept individuals try to do that, there seem to be an anti drone capability on board.
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Meaning some drones were disabled and fell out of the sky. The ones that were flown to try
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to intercept these other drones. Now, let's talk about drones for a second in New Jersey.
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Most people are familiar with the quadcopters. Commercial available hobbyists have quad,
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the little quadcopters. They fly for about 15 minutes, maybe mile or two, and then they have to
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be recovered. Now, imagine what it takes to fly a drone that's the size of an SUV. Let's look at
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technologically just for a second. Most drones are line of sight, RF, radio frequency line of sight,
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fly the drone, it sees me, I see it, and it's getting my signal I can control it. If you want to go
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beyond the horizon, beyond line of sight, right? You now need infrastructure to do that. You need a
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repeating capability, meaning an airborne capability or a land-based capability that will take that
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signal and then retransmit it out to your drone. Because you're now over the horizon where these
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signals are going to reach. So you need an artificial way, whether it's a balloon or a satellite or
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a tower to relay that signal. Otherwise, that thing doesn't fly. So you've got to transmit that.
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That takes infrastructure. Then if you're going to have a drone that flies more than 15 minutes,
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in some case, five, six, seven hours and not fly two miles, but fly over 100 miles,
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think about that. There's only two types of fuel we use for drones. One is internal combustion
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engine, like jet-a-fuel, maybe you use or gasoline for a propeller, internal combustion engine,
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or battery. Now, batteries don't last that long and they're heavy as hell. So, and the fuel, fuel is
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even more expensive. You want liquid fuel. That's even heavier. So, so,
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loiter capabilities. The reason why are drones now like a reaper or something like that are
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fixed-wing. Because they're going to stay flying for a long time. And so a helicopter, a rotary blade
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drone can't do that. You don't have that loiter capability. So you have a fixed-wing capability.
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That's not what these were. They weren't fixed-wing capabilities. And so,
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if you want to fly a drone, even one of those, you have to have someone to launch it,
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someone to control it, someone to recover it, someone to maintain it, someone to refuel it,
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or re-energize it. So now you're talking a group of individuals. It has to be on flying just a
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single drone with that type of capability. Where are you going to launch it from? Without being
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senior detected. Where are you going to recover it from? Without not a single one being recovered.
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Completely in the dark. Now you're talking about, maybe I can launch it from a boat. How far
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are you going to be in international waters? Are you sure the coastline is not going to see you
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and your ship identifier and all these other things? I mean, as some people reported,
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having a quote unquote mothership, that's a big profile in the water. Okay, well, maybe they'll
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launch you from submarine. It's okay, great. But then there's another challenge with that too.
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There's a submarine surfacing to launch them or these things being launched sub-surface,
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meaning like the old Polaris missile, right, bows out of it too and flies. Now what about when it
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lands? And what about if one crashes because it's technology, right? It could be interfered with
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electronic jamming capabilities. Are you willing to take that risk and all of a sudden now you've
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lost a drone and it's paraded like the Russians did with the YouTube back in the 1960s when we're
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flying the YouTube over Mother Russia? No, that's a PR disaster. So there's a lot of things that are
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inconsistent with some of the descriptions of some of these UAP or some of these UASs are drones.
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And I think the fact that we don't know is proof positive why we need to know.
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For the government to come out this last administration, I mean, this is embarrassing to say to
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the American people, yeah, y'all are seeing stuff. Every single one of these are being flown in a
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legal way. And they're all either the highest drones or manned aircraft. First of all, you don't
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shut down a military air base because something's being flown over your base legally. Get the hell out
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of town. We're not that stupid, right? And when you have all these people that are reporting to
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include members of Congress, don't tell me that these are all legitimately because if they were,
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then where's the paperwork from the FAA? Where's the squat code on this? How come they're not showing
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up on flight aware? Right? Nothing. And then they'd say, oh, these are all being flown legally,
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but we don't know who's they are. Wait a minute. Then how can you say they're being flown legally?
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If you don't know who they who's they belong to, right? It's it's even the statement itself is
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contradictory and saying, no, no, folks, just just don't worry about it. Nothing to see here.
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You know, that's the same kind of crap they try to pull with other things like with the
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Afghanistan withdrawal. Don't get me started. I mean, you keep feeding a bunch of line of people,
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a bunch of crap to people. You think that they're going to get used to eating crap? No,
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they're going to get pissed off and put the plate in your face. And that's what we saw with this
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last election. The people got tired of being lied to and constantly being told something that
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was exact opposite of what was happening. Politics is a side. I don't think if your democratic
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Republican, nobody needs to do that. Just tell the American the truth. And look, if you don't have
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an answer, say that too, but don't don't lie. Don't insult the American public. You know, come on.
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That's that's that's that's not why we put people in office. I mean, what are they? What are they?
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What do you think they are? Well, I think there may be multiple things. It might be it might be
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a combination of things you might have. So in the old days, if you had like, for example,
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if you breached the perimeter of a military base, you would have some jeeps come out and maybe
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a helicopter to try to find what's going on. But we're more sophisticated than that. We now have
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have drone capability ourselves. And so if we detect something on the perimeter, breaking a perimeter,
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we can just launch drones like that. Automatic, we can geofence the whole place and automatically
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have drones take off without even a human being involved to figure out what's going on. And by the
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way, it's a lot cheaper. You can cover a lot more area using a drone than you can with one or
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two helicopters. So imagine a scenario where maybe some people reporting some sort of really
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anomalous issue, a UAP perhaps. And then the the response by us is to launch drones to try to
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figure out what's going on. And so you have some people reporting something that doesn't look like
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a drone. Start lost size of an SUV that disappears, comes in and out of the water potentially, stocks,
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postcard boats in the middle of the ocean, right, up to 20 at a time. And then our response is to
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launch drones to figure out what these are. And then people report, no, I was worrying I could hear
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making sound. It was blinking lights like a plane. It was definitely a drone. They both could be right.
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Both could actually be happening. Now I'm not saying for the record, I'm not saying that's what's
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occurring. But that could explain why you have this varying degrees of exoplanation between
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eye witnesses. Someone says it's huge. It's been loiting for hours and hours. It doesn't look
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like anything I've ever seen before. And then someone says, oh, no, a little tiny thing with
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warring blades and blinking lights. So to ask your question, what is it and is it one or the other,
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it actually could be both. And it could also be other options that we haven't yet considered.
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But again, this is why it's so important. This is why I've been been trying to emphasize
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with the new administration to get a handle on this because this will be a PR disaster. It will be
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if it already has been, if we don't get a handle on it. So there's been several recommendations that
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have been floated up to the new administration to help President Trump get a handle on this and
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and do exactly like he said he's going to do. And I full faith in God. What are some of the other
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possibilities that we haven't considered? Four and adversarial capability. It's not a blue force
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technology. It's a red force technology that's being used to to assess our reaction to certain things.
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I mean, no, I don't think that was that was brought up a lot of there was a lot of chatter that
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it might be Iranian drones. A lot of I mean, there have been reports that that's why the inauguration
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was moved indoors. Was it an Iranian drone threat? Yeah. Could be Chinese. Then there's also the
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other alternative which you discuss. Maybe it's a blue force response to a threat and we don't want
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to panic the public. You know, we've got a broken arrow situation on our hands. We've got to
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loss nuke, right? Or maybe some bad guy figured out how to do something and put something together,
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under our noses. That's a scary thought. Or could be someone trying to figure out, look,
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let's see the response. If we wanted if I was a bad guy and I wanted to use a drone to spray some
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sort of chemical or biological agent, right? How do we defend against that? Could we detect it?
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An airborne aerosol attack? And so how do we detect it? Well, we'll send some drones out to spray
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something nothing bad. Just something a tracer that we can pick up with other drones and
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some other drones out to say, yeah, we can actually pick this up and this technology works, right? So
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there's lots of different possibilities. There's lots of different possibilities and we really need
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to consider them all. I don't understand why we wouldn't use one of those directed AMP weapons.
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Brother, we could have and we should have and we didn't. This is my point. It is so ridiculous
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and all it takes is someone in the administration say, you know, FAA, look, I will tell you when I was
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in Pentagon, I was part of a working group, the US Air Domain Working Group and it was
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co-sponsored by the FAA and Department of Homeland Security, DHS. And even when I was there like 2013
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and 2014, they were still arguing who is responsible for what? When you say, okay, who's responsible for drones?
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No one want to do except it. It's ridiculous. And this is why I think the president is going to see
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some maybe executive orders come out saying, from now on, okay, you're going to do this. And if
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there's a drone in the sky, the buck stops with you and yes, you can shoot it down. If it's not ours
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and we're not squawking, then shame on you, zap it. If it turns out to be a government contractor,
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well, you should have listed your flight path. Sorry, sorry, your million dollar capability crash,
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that was your fault, not mine. So yes, we do have a capability. Very easy to do that. We don't.
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Yeah, just like the Chinese Bible, right? How many went over the northern
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continental United States before we actually saw one and shot it down? Oh, I was really
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upset about that. It did turn out. We did extract. We did extract.
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Sometimes intelligence out of that balloon. Well, you know, the story is now, right, that we've
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been known about these flights for a long time. Yeah. And it never got reported up. So that's a
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break in the chain of command too. And who had the unilateral authority to make that decision?
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Yeah, I guarantee you they did not have that authority. Yeah. Yeah.
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How close are, I mean, what is, how concerned are you that China, Russia, Iran, name,
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enemy of us, has this type of technology? This type, as in the drone technology or the UAP technology?
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Shana Amoried. I'm worried, particularly with the two big guys,
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Russian China. China has already announced through the Five Contents initiative
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to run the entire being charge of the entire United Nations effort
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for UAP investigations. They announced what?
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I think of the South China Morning Sun. They announced
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through what they call the Five Contents initiative. China has proposed to the United Nations
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that they, that they, they set up and run the UAP investigation for the United Nations.
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Russia has had a long history and it's in fact right after the Berlin wall fell down
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and there was this brief romance period, this marriage kind of honeymoon between the United States
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and Russia where that happened, the ball came down. But it actually, you may have been too young.
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There was this brief period for a few years where, where we were working with KGB, KGB was
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working with us and they were giving us all their files and we gained a lot of insight into their
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UAP program and to the, to the, to the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I don't know, I'd say it. There's
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some names, program names that the Russians were involved with involving UAP and, and
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there was very precise. They were sharing a lot of intel with us. It was a lot of it. And even at
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a tip, we had a lot of that, that intel available to us. So we know for a fact, Russia and China,
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we also know for a fact that there were several key allies, five eyed partners, I won't say which
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ones they are because they're like, it mad. But they were interested and we were, we had actually
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information sharing agreement with them. In fact, Japan two and a half, two years ago, two and a
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few years ago, came to the United States, two and a half years ago, came to, actually about three
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years ago now, came to the Pentagon and asked to enter into a bilateral intelligence information
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sharing agreement with the United States for the sole purposes of sharing UAP related information.
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Interesting. Is there any overlap with this information and intel? When you say overlap,
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I'm trying to understand what to find out. No, I'm asking, are we seeing, are we seeing any
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similarities? Oh, yeah, all similarities. That's what A-tip did. That's what the five observables were.
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Yeah, there's similarities. They don't have totally different, shut them. We have.
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No, well, be a little bit different. When you say they don't have different, are you talking about
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other nations? I'm sorry, I'm forgetting. We're more, we're sharing files with Russia or
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Japan or China or whoever the hell it is. Are we seeing similarities in the intel? Absolutely.
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Yes, the morphology, the velocity, the performance characteristics, the capabilities. Absolutely,
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we are. Absolutely, we are. What the Italian fighter pilot saw three weeks ago over the Adriatic Sea,
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we saw four years ago with a Navy Super Hornet pilot. Absolutely. Okay. Okay. Wow.
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How much do you think they know that we don't know? That's my fear. That's why this is a problem.
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I don't fear the UAP or the UAP technology. I fear some other country having that technology
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and using it against us. And here we are. We're not even willing to have a conversation with our own people.
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And they're totally open about it. They don't give shit. They're spending lots of money into this topic.
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So that is part of my concern.
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Well, I hope you're right. I hope we start getting some answers.
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Well, the good news is I think we actually know a lot more than we've admitted,
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fortunately. It's my goodness. I guess that probably is. Well, what it is, it's, it's,
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it's at least I think encouraging that we, we've been looking at UFOs for a long time,
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rather. This is not new. We have been involved in this topic since well before Blue Book. I
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just read you a document there from 1950. There's stuff from the National Security Council,
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the president from J. Edgar Hoover, the director of the CIA. It's all in writing. It's all there.
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I just sent you a small little tiny little snapshot of some of the reporting. There's a bunch of it.
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So people say, well, you know, our government doesn't know anything. Hello, yes, they do. That's just
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been a recent part of the narrative. So you don't look over there. We've known about it for a long
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time. We've been investigating. There's, there's documents on official investigations all the way
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to the White House on this topic. We got it. So I would tell people, I think, look, here's a good
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deal. Because I want to be all doom and gloom and go, oh, you're fear mongering and, you know,
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you're trying to say these things are a threat. No, I'm not. The threat is our lack of knowledge.
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I'm sorry. The threat is our lack of knowledge on this topic. And our threat is not being transparent
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with the American people. You can't fix a problem, right? You can't, you can't recover from a problem
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if you don't identify it in the first place. I think, I think we're at the point now. There was a
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fear for a very long time why our government didn't share this information with the American public.
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And I understand. I don't agree with it for the record, but I can respect it and understand it.
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At the height of the Cold War, what was going on? Well, you had this, this, this, this winner takes
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all approach to a, to a chess match between then Soviet Union and the United States. And we had a
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lot of things going on. We had civil unrest and we had conflicts over here and Vietnam and other
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places. And you had a nuke, real nuke issue, Russians had nuke, we had nuke, so we're building more
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and more and more and more and more and possibly go to war. And there was this concern that, you know,
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here's this real threat from Russia. And then you've got this other thing going on here that
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is interesting, but doesn't show any obvious signs of being a threat yet. So why don't we focus on
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this issue here? And then we'll kind of maybe at some point address that issue.
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I mean, there's also the, the, the notion of you don't admit there's a problem until you have a
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solution. Look, governments are solution oriented. That's what we pay them to do to have solutions.
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And let me give you a real case and point to this. In the 1960s, it's actually starting the 50s.
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The CIA and Lockheed at the time developed the U2 spy plane. And the idea of this plane was to
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fly faster and higher than any other plane we ever had and fly in contravention to what?
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The Russian agreement we had, the treaty with the Russians that we would not fly manned
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reconnaissance missions over mainland Russia. And what did we do? We did the exact opposite. We
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actually flew manned reconnaissance missions, but we didn't away what we didn't think they would
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ever ever see it. And what happened the first couple missions? We succeeded. They didn't,
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Russians didn't respond. Mission success. They didn't even know we were there. Or did they?
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It wasn't until the Russians were able to develop and deploy the S-A-2 surface-to-air missile
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and successfully shoot one down and parade powers who was the pilot and show the wreckage in
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front of the United Nations the Russians ever admit that they were tracking every single flight.
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It wasn't until they could neutralize the threat that they ever admit even to the Russian people
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that there was a problem. Because that's what governments do. And so, is it possible that some people
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in our government said, look, this is just too much for most people to absorb right now. We don't
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know how to deal with it. Let's not cause panic. There were some studies that were done by the
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United States government commissioned by some to some think tanks by the US government. And in
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those studies, I said, what would happen with the American people if we disclose the presence of
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UFOs? And the answer was, you can't. You will cause civil unrest throughout our population.
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And people say, no, that's silly. You're not going to cause panic and civil unrest. Well, look,
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it's happened before where people got freaked out. When the Dead Sea Scrolls referred, I think it was
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1947, right? They were discovered. The Dead Sea Scrolls. It was like years and years and years later
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before the translation of those Dead Sea Scrolls were publicly released. Now, why is that? Because
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they were afraid it was going to contradict the current understanding of the Judeo Christian
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belief system. We don't want this. We'll upset people too much, right? Cause panic, cause anxiety,
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at a hysteria, at a mass scale, mass scale. I can understand that, I can understand that
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mentality, but the reality is the American people can handle the truth. In fact, the American people
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deserve the truth. This generation, new generation of young men and women are different in mind.
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They are different. They have access to the entire world on their cell phones in virtually any
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language instantly of any, if I wanted to go learn something in school, I had to go to the school
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library, grab a encyclopedia that's probably 20 years old and read a paragraph on something,
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right? If the page was even there, so that some kid didn't rip it out, but it's part of his book
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report. Now, you've got the entire world history in the palm of your hands. So I think this new
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generation is much more willing and readily able to accept some of these more profound ideas about
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humans and our existence and our place in this cosmos. They're not causing panic. Most of the
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people you don't people I talk to, they go, man, yeah, we know aliens are real. You do? Yeah, why not?
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Well, okay, I mean, that's different than when I grew up in a building that you're crazy. In fact,
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the American Psychological Association once considered the study or research or belief in UFOs
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as being an extreme form of deviance. Think about that. Same with tattoos, by the way, right? So
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I think our mentality of our society is changing. I think we're not, you know, the old saying,
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I'm not your father. You know, this is not your father's ultimate bill. I don't, I don't think,
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I don't think we're in the same place mentally, psychologically, sociologically,
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theologically, then we were in my generation. I think, think with, with where we are as a society,
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things have fundamentally changed, you know, the way we deal with new information and new ideas.
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Let's not forget that in the words of Earth as C. Clark, right? Any sufficient technology,
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advanced technology appears like magic, right? But it's not. It's just technology. I often tell people,
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you know, a little exercise to say, if I think, if I tell you the word parachute,
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parabying a prefix, Latin prefix, meaning above or besides, so if I say parachute, what do you think
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of? Well, I think of about a device that deploys over my head and tell us when we get to ground with
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with a thump and not a thud, hopefully, right? And if I say parachute, what do you, I mean,
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paramedic, what do you think? Well, I think of first responders, something positive. People
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there to save a life, you know, so paramedic parachute. But then when I say paranormal, what happens?
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You just did it. You did exactly what I most people do. They go, hmm, right? The reason why it's
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because we had been conditioned that word paranormal is spooky. It's weird. When in reality,
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everything in science, everything in science is paranormal until it becomes normal.
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The cell phones that we use and Wi-Fi signals and the and the laptop computers and all that at
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one point would have been considered paranormal. And now it's routine. It's not normal. It's just
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advanced technology. And so I think with this new generation of young people, they realize that.
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They understand that a lot of things that we grew up thinking strange and weird aren't.
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You know, I was at a time you probably remember, remember this probably, you growing, well,
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yeah, you're in the military for this. Do you remember the whole policy of Don't Ask Don't Tell?
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Right? And people's lives were ruined. And if they suspect you have being homosexual,
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that you could lose your entire career and be discharged. Well, that's silly. Who gives a crap
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somebody to gay? I mean, right? But that was the mentality back then. And man, people were, you
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lose your career over that shit. Now we look back and say, being patriotic has nothing to do with
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your sexual orientation. Who gives a shit? Right? But that was real back then. And it affected a
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lot of people's lives. This new generation, I think, realizes that they're like, hey, man,
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you guys are really kind of stuck in this old paradigm of doing things. You know, maybe you should
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reconsider and reevaluate. Because at the end of the day, the topic of UFOs and the UAP,
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UAP aren't going to change. It's here, whatever it is. The only thing that changes the way that we
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deal with it, the way we look at it, the way we think about it, the way we handle it, right? We can't
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change that fact that something exists. I can't change the fact that there's a lion or a tiger or
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the hippopotamus on that side of the wall. What I can do is change the way that I view that,
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is that it's an threat or is it an opportunity? Can it hurt me? Well, yeah, but if it's behind the
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case, then probably not. And can I learn something from it and things like that? That's my perspective.
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I don't have all the answers. I have some answers that hopefully will continue to
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be developed and come out in a legal way. I'm not a leaker. I've never disclosed classified
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information. I still maintain my top secret security clearance with SCI eligibility. I'm not
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going to jeopardize it. I took an oath to defend this country from all enemies foreign and domestic.
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I'm going to do. And I don't think I need to compromise national security to have this conversation.
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We've come a long way in the last seven years. And I've said before to people, there's a
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difference between doing things right and doing things right now. I prefer to do things right. We have
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one opportunity to do it right. And I think we are making significant headway. If someone like me
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would have just come out full-monkey and say everything I know, you'll know more information,
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but you'll never get any more because I'll go to jail. That's it. And so I think there's a balance.
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I think we can continue to have this conversation, get the members of Congress engaged, support our
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new administration and their pursuit, doggy pursuit of the truth, while increasing the aperture of
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transparency and disclosure. In a manner that is constructive, not destructive. In a manner that
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gives the American people what they deserve, the information they deserve, but without compromising
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any type of national security, equity or capability. We can do it. Yeah, it's harder.
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Yeah, it's a lot harder. I know. Ask me how I know. But we're succeeding. We're doing it. We're
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able to do it. We just got to have a little bit of patience and a little bit of courage.
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And I think we're doing it. Look, the fact you and I are having this conversation, you are one
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of the biggest media personalities on the planet. Now think about that. You now have more
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people listening to you in your voice on a weekly basis than the major networks of our country
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for the last 70 years, like ABC, CBS, NBC. Right? So your voice matters. And we're having this
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conversation. There was a time that people in the media would never talk about this because it was
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suicide, just like politicians. This topic would be considered political suicide because when you
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mentioned UFOs, people think tinfoil hats and Elvis on the mothership and nonsense like that.
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No, we're talking about national security. And we're also talking about the human condition,
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the way we process information, the way we handle new new paradigms. I've used this before.
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And I think to its effect, my wife will kill me for saying this. She hates this analogy. But
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but I will submit to you that there are there are moments in our evolution as a species
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where these paradigm moments occur, where where we change fundamentally our understanding of our
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reality. And so one may may argue that when we were first coming out of the cave for the very
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first time and engaging upon the heavens, we realized at that moment that our world is going to
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be a lot bigger. Another paradigm moment maybe when when two people were striking a rock together,
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and all of a sudden a spark fluid, they created fire. And for the first time mankind could illuminate
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the darkness and now the monsters hiding behind the trees. Well, they were just bushes.
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Another paradigm moment may have been when mankind was standing on a stony beach. And one fisherman
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says to the other, you're not going to sail over the horizon. And he says to him, you can't do that.
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You're going to fall off the edge and nobody the way there's sea monsters out there,
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giant crack in and you're going to rip the part. And of course, people laugh about it now.
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But you know what it turns out, they were right. There are sea monsters. They're just called
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giant squirted the Pacific and great white sharks and blue whales. And they're really not monsters.
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They're part of our nature. They're part of our understanding. And so maybe this topic of UAP,
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this is just yet another stony beach we're about to sail over the horizon. Yeah.
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But we already are with AI. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I could not agree more. I think you're absolutely
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correct. Well, if we got any of the questions you wanted to ask, I'm sorry.
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And a fascinating interview. And I just it was a real pleasure to have you here and hope to see again.
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Scott, it's my honor and privilege. You always have a home out in Wyoming. I mean, it's
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sincerely, listen, you're doing great work for our country. You don't need to hear that from me.
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I know you heard all the time, but truly, truly from somebody who's spent a little bit of time
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in the media, you are providing a great service to our nation. And even if it has nothing to do
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with the UFO topic, the fact that you are willing to put yourself out there, have these meaningful
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conversations and allow your audience to be part of that, history will remember you very kindly.
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You are, you are setting a new tone for how America gets its information without a filter,
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by the way, before with the network, remember, you had all sorts of people coming up and putting
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spins on things and this is what you are doing is a tremendous service for for for our nation and
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humanity. So thank you sincerely. My wife is a big fan of yours. Really appreciate what you're
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doing and I appreciate all the guests you've had in the past and all the guests you're having in
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the future. Even if some of those guests in the past don't like me very much. Thank you for doing
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what you're doing. Thank you for saying that. You got it. Honor and privilege.
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