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Good day and welcome back to Reality Check. And as we promised you, we're bringing you
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the full-length interviews with all of the interviewees in our special investigation
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into UAP crash retrievals. And one of the three men who strongly backed the credibility
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of our primary interviewee, Jake Barber in the story, was Fred Baker. And Fred Baker
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is a highly experienced former Tier 1 operator who showed great courage to step up to back
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the credibility of our primary interviewee, Jake Barber. Fred is a legend in the US Air Force
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Combat Control and Special Operations Community. He served with distinction in the US Air Force's
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24th Special Tactics Squadron, that's the 24th STS, which is like the US Air Force Special Forces.
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It's one of the elite Tier 1 units in the US Air Force Special Operations. He retired as a master
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surgeon with 20 years in combat control. Combat controllers are Special Tactics operators,
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who specialize in air-ground communication, including air traffic control, fire support,
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and command control and communications, including in covert operations. It's a measure of how
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desperate some in the intelligence community are that in the wake of our UAP crash retrieval
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investigation, they actually tried to denigrate a veteran of the caliber of Fred Baker.
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This is a man who served his country with distinction. He has multiple bronze stars. In fact,
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he's earned the bronze star with valor. He has four of them, four Oak Leaf clusters. That's a big
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deal. He's earned multiple other commendations and awards, including a Navy presidential unit
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citation with one Oak Leaf cluster. And it's a measure of just how desperate and frantic the
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legacy program cover-up is right now, that the bad apples in defense and intelligence are calling
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upon their shells in social media to attack a legend like Fred. It will backfire because the Tier 1
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community is angry at how their comrades are being treated for telling the truth. He is Fred Baker's
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story of his work with Jake Barber. Fred, can you tell me within the constraints of what you're
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allowed to tell me? What's the story of your service? I joined in 2000 in the United States Air Force.
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It went into the Comact Control Pipeline and spent the majority of my, actually the entire day of my
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career in Special Warfare. And you're a fairly well-known character in the social media community.
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You're a very prominent commentator on special operations. And you refer often to the unit,
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which I take to mean Delta Force. Are you able to talk about the fact that you were a Delta Force
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operator? I was not. I was stricken in the Air Force although where I was, we worked quite often
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with the Army and the Navy as well. Right, okay. And I think I know the name of the unit,
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the US Air Force unit you're talking about. But essentially it was a top special operations unit
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in the US Air Force. Correct. I understand also your family has quite an illustrious history in
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the US military. Can you tell me a bit about that? Quite a bit. Fighters and farmers
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was a since the Revolutionary War. First, Christopher Baker came over. Was an indentured servant.
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Was forced into the British Army. Did not like him deserted. They went to the American side and fought
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for the Americans under Georgia Washington. And then ever since we have fought in every major conflict
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of the United States. So you're obviously very proud of your service? Yeah, absolutely. I
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really like this country. So I appreciate that my landing edge fought for it. You've obviously
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left the military. When did you leave the military? In 2021. I'm sorry, in 2021.
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2021. Correct. And since then you've been working largely with Jake? There was a stint there
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where I was trying to go back into the normal world and took a normal job and it just didn't work out.
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I didn't like an atmosphere. Coming from where I was. And it just so happened that when I was
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realizing this that a phone call happened. And that's when I took a risk, took a leap of faith
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and met Jake. So Jake recruits people like yourself from the elite of special operations for the
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work that he's been doing. Were you surprised at the work that you were being asked to do when you
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started working with it? That's interesting. I would say yes, surprised. But at the same time
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you kind of knew that this kind of stuff was going on. We try to rationalize it. There's no way.
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Not within our country. There's no way. But then you hear stories, especially in 2021, there's a lot
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of stuff coming out then. And I was like, that would be pretty cool if it did though. That'd
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make a good movie. And then it actually is. It was super interesting. Well, Stephen, I have
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I've been for you when you went, oh my god, this is real. I don't know. I think I'm still in that
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aha. I'm in the age part of the aha portion of it. And hopefully to get rounded out and we'll
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have a good answer. But what do you say to people watching this Fred who are very skeptical and who
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might be thinking, there's no way you can keep a secret like this. Secrets leak, politicians
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blab everything leaks in the end. But this has been kept very well this secret, hasn't it?
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It has. I ask how many secrets individual people have that nobody knows about.
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It's very interesting what you can do in the realm of, you know, national security and patriotism
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and how far people will go to protect it and to protect this institution knowing that they're
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doing the right thing. So when he contacted you and asked you to come and work with him and his
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team, was it a shock what you were being asked to do? It was, but it was a shock, but also because it
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was what I was asking for. Leaving the special operations community like that feels like you're
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kind of dumping a gift off. You spent a large amount of your time being trained to do this
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certain level of things and then all of a sudden it's no longer needed. I feel like there are
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still, there are still work out there to be done that need people like us and that gift I wouldn't
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say is getting wasted but it's just not, it's getting shelt. So I'm very happy that it happened.
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Surprised yes, but it felt like all the childhood dreams were coming together.
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What do you say to people who might be saying watching this? There is no way this can be kept secret.
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This can't possibly be true because it's just so crazy. UFOs retrieved craft. It sounds good, sounds
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inside. Maybe it sounds insane. I've never had that moment. Very open and very, very aware that I
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don't know everything. I think it's safe to say that we don't know everything. Humans are really good
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at one thing and that's debunking ourselves. We think we have something solved and then years later
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we figure out that was not correct. That was completely wrong.
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Had you ever seen anything anomalous during your time in the military?
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Yes, I have. Just one that I can remember. Not associated with anything but being in Afghanistan.
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You know, it's super dark out there. Guys talked about being able to see satellites. They say,
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oh, cool. And just one night coming off security I looked up and I saw, oh, it's a satellite.
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Was not flashing. It was steady movement. I was like, cool. I've never seen a satellite in my life.
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And then it just stopped. And then it did a half circle and then it just shot off.
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And I had no idea what I just saw. And I didn't tell anybody until a couple days later where the
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guy that relieved me was on his night vision and we were sitting in the campfire. He started
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talking about this thing that he saw and I said, I saw the same thing. So very happy that I wasn't
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losing my mind and he saw the same thing. But that was my first and probably my primary experience
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when I was in. I saw some other things that I don't really believe were alien, if you will.
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One of the things that I think a lot of people will have trouble believing about Jake Barber's claims.
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Isn't the fact of a retrieval program, but the concept of people being able to psychically,
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cyanically engage with technology? Have you seen that kind of
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cyanic engagement with craft? Believe that I have, yes. What did you say?
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So we did conduct an operation that we're using those assets, human assets,
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conducting an experience to see if what they were claiming was true.
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And we were able to get pretty close to a 90% solution that this can be done.
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Just too many coincidences. What would you say to the debunkers who would say,
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you're clearly letting your eyes play tricks with you? Come on out.
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Come on out, we'll show you. I mean, I am dead serious. I am a very open individual.
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I like that I don't know everything. I like learning new things all the time.
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With my job, I'm very intimate with all of our aircraft that exist that we know of.
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This was nothing in comparison. And on top of that, I got an extra little bonus of something
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that I didn't actually see, but it recorded very exciting. I actually suspect a lot of people are ready
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for the idea that there is a non-human intelligence. Let me ask you that question.
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Seeing what you've seen, do you believe or do you know that there is a non-human intelligence
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engaging with this planet? I don't know for sure. I think it's healthy to have a bit of
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skepticism there. It's not lead you down this fairy tale path, if you will, if there is such a thing.
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But there's absolutely something going on that we're unaware of. And when you do
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interact with these things, they play with you or they show you, do a showcase,
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do a show, or an air show, or whatever. They are interacting with us.
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So let's go through the other objects that you've seen. Have you seen triangles?
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Yes. What have you seen? So I was working with a friend of ours now,
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an asset, a psionic asset, and he asked me to come out. I've never done anything like this before.
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So this is that side of work? It's not a military-related thing.
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No, no, no. We were both out of the military at the time. This is shortly after I met Jake,
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and he recognized me from Instagram at this other thing. And he's like, hey,
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come on out if you want to see this. So I'm like, okay. Of course, I have the convinced the wife
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that I'm going to go do this weird thing all night. I won't be home. That was the hardest part.
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And then so went out there, and he's walking me through how to be able to summon them.
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And again, it's going through that. It sounds okay, this is getting kind of weird, but
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at the same time, very open. Let's try it, whatever. And he's explaining how to do this,
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and I'm like, yeah, I'm going to mess this up. There's no way. Very positive emotions,
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very loving emotions. So you're projecting love to whatever the... That's the way he explains it.
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Correct. That's his method of how he does it. I mean, forgive me if I indulge this a little bit,
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but I mean, you're a special operation soldier by training. Special operation soldiers don't
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generally talk about projecting love. It's quite cool. Yeah, it was very, again, I thought I was
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going to mess this up. I thought I was going to fail the whole thing. I haven't tapped in that
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side of me for a very long time. So I thought for sure, yeah, this is just going to be always the time.
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But yeah, that's what he asks. And he's like, all right, I'll try it. I'll try it. And
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very glad I did. He also mentions that it's very different, but obviously, but they give you what
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they think you need. So I was a very impatient person. I can be patient when the mission dictates
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it or whatever, but most of all, I'm just like, let's do this. Let's do this. And all night,
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it would just keep me waiting. And then something would show up. And it would peak me,
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it would peak my interest. What was that? And then hours go by again. And then something pop up,
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like, what is that? And it kept doing that all night until the very end when this triangle showed up.
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And that was only part of it. I was definitely the grand show, but what did you say?
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So I had just witnessed something that was unbelievable to me. And I turned the talk to my friend.
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I was like, that was unreal. What did you say? What was it? So the very, the beginning of the show,
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if you will, the thing popped up way out in the atmosphere. And it started to fall. And it felt like
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if you'd imagine putting a pedal with really small pedal in the water, and it just kind of flutters
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down, that's what I was doing, just fluttering down. And as it got closer and closer,
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it'd get brighter and brighter. And when it hit the very bottom of its movement,
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it was the brightest thing out there. Just imagine brighter than any star you've seen out there.
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It did that for a millisecond. And then it had dimmed back down. And it did the same movement
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all the way back up into the atmosphere. So clearly operating under some kind of intelligent control.
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Right. It did that three times. And that is pretty incredible.
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My jaw is on the ground. And the whole, I'm saying this out loud now to all of us like,
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how do you fake this? Because I couldn't believe it. I say, how do you fake that there's no UAV
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or anything that does it? There's no light array. How do you, the whole time, I'm just saying
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out loud, how do you fake this? How do you fake this? I couldn't believe it. That's what I turned
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around to him. I was like, I don't understand. How do you, he's like, I told you, bro, this is,
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this is what it is. And then he's talking to me. And then he stops. He said, oh my god,
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it's the mothership. He said he's only seen it two other times. And I turned around. And that's
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where this massive triangle was in this guy. And please don't ask me to figure out how big it was,
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or how the paraway was, it was just, it was huge. Like hundreds of feet?
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For sure. Probably more. It was football field size. Bigger. Multiple football fields.
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For sure. Wow. That's not a way. I couldn't tell you. I was so, I had already been
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shocking off with this one little thing. And then now they presented this massive thing with
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other little things going on as well, like what? So the triangle itself, it was moving west the east
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very slowly. The lead point of the triangle was very bright with the two ends, dimmer. So there
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were lights? Correct. There were lights on each of the points. Do they glow? No, they remained the
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same, the same brightness the whole time. They were, they were white with a little hint of
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orange in there, but mostly white. Is there a light in the middle? Sometimes on the triangles are
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light in the middle. No, there was nothing in the middle. Noise? No noise. They had, they had
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little minions, if you will, flying all around it. Wolves? Yep, orbs. It would have been the same
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orbs we even, you know, we see all night that just kind of flew around the sky. Sometimes they
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pull, sometimes they just remain the same and move. Same ones, but now they're spiraling around
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this thing. So really just to do ask, did you at that moment, obviously, I think I would have had
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a feeling of war, but did you have a sense of some kind of psychological contact, psychic contact
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with the object? I mean, I don't know because I was so paralyzed with what I was seeing. I just
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could not, again, saying out loud, how do you fake this? I could not comprehend what I was seeing.
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It was a solid object. Yes. Okay, let's think of the skeptical debunker arguments. Could it have
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been some kind of temperature inversion in the year? It was at a cold night. It was a cold night.
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Yeah, it was. So was it a clear night? Could you? It was absolutely clear. So is it possible that
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what you were seeing was some kind of optical illusion? If it was, we were sharing it. There were two
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of us that shared that optical illusion. Your colleague, the psionic assist, had told you that it
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was coming. Yes. Throughout the night, he said, this is a good sign. Every thing that we saw,
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this is a good sign, it's going to be a big night. So as we know, that as Jake is disclosed,
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this is what has been happening secretly in various secure installations around the United States
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for apparently quite a long time. I find it sad that the knowledge of this has been kept from
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humanity. It's beautiful. I don't want to sound like a hippie or something, but it's fantastic.
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The idea that it's possible to psychically connect with an intelligent entity of some kind.
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Correct. And I think it's going to lead maybe in potentially, we haven't talked about it. Maybe it
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leads us back to the way we were and were in touch with ourselves. Well, let's talk about that.
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I mean, do you think, I mean, I think for Jake, if I can speak for him, it's clearly being
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quite spiritual. It's been a transformation of awareness. Is it being the same for you?
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Yes. There have been a lot of moments like that where I, where I've been on my hands and knees
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begging for help. And then it happens. It shows itself. And it's just confirmation that it's telling you,
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you know, I'm not going to give you the answer, but we're here. Or maybe it's telling me that you can do
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you can get it. What would you say? I mean, one of the criticisms that's been made is that there are
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people in various arms as a military who believed that this is demonic, that it's evil. I really don't
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know, but I've had that conversation with a friend who is spiritual, religious. I was speaking to
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them about, I'm sure we'll get to a later, but things that I was seeing in my sleep or having visions
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or whatever it is. And they were telling me that those are demons. You got to stop. You got to stop.
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So I'm telling them, I don't know what to do with this. And like, you have to stop that.
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Now, with me personally, I'm having this battle of, you know, are they benevolent? Are they benevolent?
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I don't know. Or are they indifferent? I couldn't tell you, but there is definitely a positive sense
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there for the most part with them. When you interact, when you get that, you get that interaction,
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you get that verification. There's not a sense of dread. It's very much a, this is the answer
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for us. Which begs the question, is there something that you think perhaps humanity has lost in our
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technological civilization that means that it's been hard for us to learn how to connect in that way?
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Absolutely. I mean, we have things to communicate with each other. As basic as written language,
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all the way to technology and our I can send a photo across the universe. For lack of a better
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term, it makes us lazy. You know, we don't exercise that specific muscle for a long enough. It becomes
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useless. If we don't use our consciousness and our mind in that capacity for God knows how long,
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who's to say that we've lost those skills, but they could still be there. What do you think about
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the fact that this is being kept so secret? I mean, you would make life a lot easier. I would
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wouldn't be very dependent on much when it comes to what we are now. But is it a good thing that the
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public doesn't know about this? I think people have a right to know that we're not alone. Yeah,
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I think they have a right to know that they have the option. They can choose to venture on that,
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or it just can fully ignore it or whatever, but it's still our choice. We should have the option
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of whether I want to pursue this or not. So let's go to one of the stories that Jake's told us.
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Jake Barber has told us how he was advised that there were high value targets,
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Panasonic toughbooks containing highly sensitive information which had been stolen from the
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program. There was an order out to recover them at all costs. Were you involved in part of that
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operation? What was yes? What were you involved in? What was the part of the operation that you
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were involved in? More specifically, more specifically to what you just said, to recover those assets.
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So there was an operation where very high up in the Sierra's two hard drives were recovered.
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Were you part of that recovery operation where one was found in the bottom of the lake?
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No, I did recover two assets but a different location. Right. But obviously without going into detail
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and Jake doesn't want us to go into the detail of what ensued, but it was a dangerous operation.
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There was concern, wasn't there, that perhaps you guys had been compromised in some way?
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Yeah, there were things adding up that did not make sense. Were you worried?
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Not as much as Jake was, but that's due to ignorance. Once I saw that he was concerned,
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then yes, absolutely. It's always a very difficult thing for any whistleblower to come forward,
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to speak about things that are highly sensitive. But can I ask you this, do you think Jake Barber is a
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patriot? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Do you think he loves his country? For sure. And do you think his motive
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is a pure for why he's speaking publicly? Yes, absolutely. There's a thing I know a lot of
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special operators talk about that, you know, there are certain types of men who you would want
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watching your back in a tight spot. Is he one of those guys? Absolutely. Trustworthiness is one of
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the top things that we're looking for. In fact, we would take a mediocre performer with high
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high level trust over individual has no trust, but as a top performer. He's a credible person,
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authentic. Correct, yes. So a decision was made by Jake that he wanted to go to, and we're not
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naming the private aerospace company involved, but he wanted to go to the private aerospace companies
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director of security for whom this operation had been done to recover these Panasonic Toughbooks.
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Were you part of that operation where the meeting took place? No, it was, yeah. What was your role?
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My role was to locate the individual, to confirm his location,
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to confirm their location, and build up a package for us to pursue them and eventually meet them.
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So you can verify it basically, and that's all we're trying to do here. You can verify that
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that meeting took place. Correct. Are you satisfied that there is still an open question about who
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was responsible for what happened? I mean, let's call it a dangerous incident.
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I believe there, I don't know if we'll ever get that answer, so yes, there's still an open.
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Yeah. I mean, it's legitimate though to be concerned that the safety of Jake and his team
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was in question as a result of what had happened. Yeah, it's pretty unsettling that it can get
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that far, that someone can ask you to do something just for the mere fact of setting you up for something
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else. So you feel you guys were set up as well? It seems to look like that way. There is again,
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a lot of coincidences. Do you think it's possible somebody wanted you guys dead because you knew too
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much? I don't know that. I can't confirm that. So you were also part of an operation where, as Jake
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has described it, the question was, has a whistleblower that's got these toughbooks gone to the
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disclosure advocate on UAPs, Dr Stephen Greer? What was your role in that operation?
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Just merely transferring information to, to and from. Right. So you met Dr Greer and
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conveyed information to him. I did, yes. Right. And can you tell me what happened on your return
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from that exchange of information? Yeah, so it's just a simple drop off. Here you go.
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Nice to meet you on our way. But he actually took an interest in me. I don't know if it was
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me specifically, but potentially Jake or our group. He just wanted to pry a little bit, but he
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asked me some questions and we had a little bit of a conversation and learned our separate ways.
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And I drove straight home. I'm there about six hour driver, so when I got home, everyone's
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a bed and obviously I'm tired, but I was not exhausted. I had enough energy left to get something
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real quick, get a shower, get the bed. And as soon as I laid down, as soon as I laid down,
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closed my eyes, I was in something. It was, it was very interesting because I was still very aware
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of my surroundings. Like I hear the fan going. My wife's sound machine was going. I could, I knew that
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I was in this moment. I was not asleep, often dream bland. And I was immediately as soon as
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closed my eyes, I was in this thing. And it very much, it was black and white. It looked like if
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you were running a hundred miles an hour to do the woods, just black and white branches going
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over the place. And I could feel that I was there and I was very excited, but somewhat confused.
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And then all of a sudden, this white circle showed and it just started opening very bright white.
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And it felt like I was pushing through something. And I was getting really excited. And then when I
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came through, I saw this little boy that was in like 1920s, 1930s, Garb, the the coat, all
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wool coat with the the vest and tie. He had the wool shorts. He had the the ankle high boots on,
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had that floppy cap on. And I'm like, oh, this is cool. This is really awesome. And he's looking
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right at me. And I actually focus on his face and he's terrified. Of you. Which terrified me.
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And I can see the background. It's a dirt road with the street corner, who I got tea intersection.
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So this is the dream. No, I was there. It's real. I was absolutely terrified.
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Have you ever heard of the tune remote viewing? I have, yes. Have you remote viewed?
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Not that I know of. I like to have an answer on that thing, but no, I haven't officially tried.
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No. So it raises the question, what was it about your meeting with Dr. Steven Greer that prompted
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that experience? Was there a was there a correlation of causation? I didn't I didn't correlate any of that.
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I just had this thing happen to me. And then the next morning, I'm trying to try to reason with it.
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And I just, you know, borrowed out the Jake texted to him about it and said,
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do these two, would these two come together at some point like I don't, they're two separate
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incidences, but I feel like there's something going on there. Now I understand you're part of the
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Skywatch routine that's going to try to provide the service that's being done secretly in the
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military in private enterprise. Correct. How are you excited about that? Always.
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It's always exciting. It's always something different, but yes, from what you've seen,
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will it work? Seems so. We've had, we hasn't pretty good luck if you will so far, but
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interesting enough, it seems that a lot of these things that people are talking about is true.
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The implications of what you're saying, though, are free to absolutely mind-blowing. Good.
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Good, let's do it. Let's rattle this thing up. Get us out of this,
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you know, D to D, mundane stuff, and let's get to the next level.
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And you think that's what we can do by doing this?
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Seems like we can. Do you know, it's funny. There have apparently been some people who've done
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the wrong thing, some bad apples along the way in the course of keeping this incredible secret
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that we're not alone. But the thing I find is perhaps the biggest secret is the most exciting one,
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that it's possible for all humans potentially to do this, that we can all learn how to do this.
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And it's fascinating to see how touched you are and Jekyll's by what is obviously quite a
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spiritual experience. It's very exciting. It's something that will change us for sure,
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for the inevitable future, and probably in the right direction.
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They get us away from starvation and war and need for this, and need for that, but we're
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getting back on alignment to what our maybe were our true purposes. I mean, tell me if I'm
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taking this two-file, but I mean, you're a warrior. You're a trained warrior. You're an absolutely
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elite soldier at the top of the American military in your time. There's a message here
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and it's fascinating because to hear a warrior talking about love being the way that you
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communicate with these objects is just mind-blowing. It took me a long time to realise it, but we shouldn't
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be fighting wars for the fact that we hate a specific group of people, even if they're evil.
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It should be out of respect and love of what's behind us.
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So having experienced both as a kid, basically, knowing that I hated these evil individuals and
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we needed to kill them, that didn't set me on the right path. It took me too long to realise
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I shouldn't be doing this out of hate. I should be doing this out of the fact that I love
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these people, these innocent folks, and yes, evil shows this ugly head, but we can take care of
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that and continue back on all true purposes. You got kids, I do. What's your hope knowing what you
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know now about this phenomenon? What's the hope that you have for your kids? This is probably one of
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my top purposes is for them. I want to give them a better life. Who parent doesn't want
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the better life for our kids. And right now I'm seeing it's the same. I'm going to give them the same
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life I had, potentially going to war, having to pay rent, whatever it is, it's the same same thing.
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So you told me that your family has a very proud history right back to the revolutionary war
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in fighting as warriors for America. Is it your dream that your child might be able to do
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this engagement with the phenomenon in a loving and peaceful way and maybe break that mold?
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Absolutely. I don't want my kids to end up where I've landed. And now I'm fighting another
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panel to get back to my humanity. Why is that a necessary thing? Let's just give them
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the humanity that they should always have. Final question. I'm sure there are still people
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watching this going. These guys have all gone crazy. You know, he may be an elite soldier,
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but clearly he's nuts. This can't possibly be real. What do you say to those people?
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How's it thinking about that one?
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I don't think it's very far fetched to... I mean, it's the movies that we all love the watch
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and the books we all love the read is that happy ending. Where everyone is coming together,
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where everyone realizes that love is the way and most of our religions are based on that and
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finding our center and finding a better world for us. Why is that crazy to think about?
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So, they really can be a happy ending. Absolutely. And there should be. We deserve that.
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