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You said that Lockheed has possession of this machine that can do this, like, a manipulate
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time and they are going forward in time and manipulating the timeline.
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I hope Lockheed isn't doing it.
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No, I wasn't trying to suggest that they are.
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Well, how do you know that this timeline is being manipulated?
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How do you know that and who do you think is doing it?
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There is a researcher, Michael Kremow, who wrote a book with a guy called Richard Thompson,
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Thompson's a PhD in, I forget which scientific field.
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The book was called Forbidden Archaeology.
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It's about this thick.
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It's in the same general area, same general vein of research as Graham Hancock and Robert
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Bavall and Robert Shock.
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People who study deep history, prehistory.
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The challenge are accepted views of the historical timeline.
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Except Kremow and Thompson's work in Forbidden Archaeology is more radical.
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And so far as they go through the history of scientific journals back into the 1800s.
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And they show how many discoveries there were reported by very prestigious publications
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of clearly engineered structures and artificial objects stuck in geological strata that are millions
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Like polished concrete walls in a stratum that dates to, I don't know, 200 million years
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There are gold chains, jewelry that's at a stratum, geological stratum of 60 million
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There are tens and tens of these discoveries that they present in this book that were in
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prominent scientific journals.
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And then slowly in the 20th century were filtered out of what it was acceptable to publish,
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given what became the standard human history taught in the academies.
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So there are a couple of different ways you could look at that.
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One is you could imagine that even though there's not much of a fossil record for it, humanity
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goes back hundreds of millions of years on this planet.
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I doubt that very much.
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Because again, there isn't a fossil record for it.
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We find dinosaur bones all the time.
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We don't find large populations of humans that are contemporaneous with the Jurassic period.
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The other way that you could interpret those findings though is that human time travelers
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on a very limited basis were living in those epochs and left artifacts behind.
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So that's one piece of empiric, one line of empirical evidence that you could use to argue
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So you're saying that this could have been happening in the 1800s?
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What I'm saying is that up to the 1800s, these things were reported on in scientific journals.
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Up to the 1800s, you had like a Smithsonian institution and whatever, reporting on a gold
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locket found in a geological stratum that dates to 60 million BC.
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There are lots of these finds.
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But we don't know about those anymore.
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We have those journals.
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We have access to those journals.
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We still have access to them.
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My point is, Kreme O'on Thompson, they wrote this tome for a bit in archaeology where they
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go through all of this evidence.
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They present case after case.
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And they have their own interpretation of what this means, because they come from a
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kind of Vedantic, yeah, that's the book.
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They come from a kind of Vedantic background.
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They subscribe to form a Vedic religion.
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And in the Hindu religion, there is the notion that there are these vast cycles of time.
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They call them Yugas, the ages.
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We're in the last of them now, supposedly, the Kali-Yuga.
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But the whole cycle begins with the Sakyayuga, the golden age.
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And then it goes to a silver age.
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The Greeks have the same thing.
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Silver age, bronze age, until you get to our present time, which is supposed to be the
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last of the world ages.
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And this whole cycle then repeats itself.
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So Kreme O'on Thompson come from the school of thought that, look, humanity has always existed.
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And we are living in a fallen world.
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We're living in a degraded age, and we've lost our knowledge of previous ages of higher
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And they think this goes way, way back, like that humanity existed in its present form
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tens and tens of millions of years ago.
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I don't agree with their interpretation of their own evidence.
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I think that that's a religious belief system, which they subscribe to.
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And my much more radically empiricist, pragmatic approach to the data they're presenting
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is to say the best way to make sense out of this is that these artifacts were left behind
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by human time travelers, and that the past is contaminated by the future.
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Ah, I see what you're saying.
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So that stuff could have been left by people that are even before us or after us right
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And to me, this is one of the reasons why one of the ways...
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This is sort of the opposite.
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This is sort of the opposite.
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Graham Hancock's idea is that there was a crazy advanced civilization that got wiped out
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by comments, and we hit a reset button.
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You're saying this advanced civilization was from the future?
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I started reading Graham Hancock when I was maybe 15.
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I read all of the books that he had published back then in the late 90s.
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But then I did a lot more research.
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And the thing is when you're coming from out of a background in philosophy, you have
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to engage with all kinds of different research domains.
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And one of the problems with anthropological researchers like Hancock, or on the other
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hand, UFO researchers, whether they're coming from a physics background or, you know,
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I don't know, from a sociology background or whatever, is that they stay only within
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their own research domain and they don't look at what's going on in another field.
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They're not interdisciplinary enough.
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And my work has been radically interdisciplinary from the beginning.
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So I've been able to cross correlate different bodies of data.
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And one of the things that Graham Hancock talks about, which I find very compelling, is
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the evidence for Antarctica having been Atlantis in his first book, Fingerprints of the Gods,
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where he's drawing from the earlier research of Rand Flemuth.
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He makes this and Charles Habgood.
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Flemuth's work was dependent on this historian, Charles Habgood, who I think taught at Boston
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College back in the day.
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And Habgood had this theory that, and by the way, Habgood worked with the CIA for a time.
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So he was like a government-funded scientist.
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And Habgood had this theory that to oversimplify it, in the course of the various ice ages,
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the earth becomes top heavy.
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And at a certain point, the ice sheet pulls on the mantle of the earth.
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And it causes it to slip.
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Rather, it causes the surface of the earth to slip over the mantle, like this.
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You lose skin of an orange.
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And that in some cyclical fashion, every, I don't know, maybe 12,000 years or so.
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Well, there's a shifting of the pole in the sense that, by three,
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or 4,000 kilometers, the location of the pole shifts, not drastically like the earth flips
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over or anything like that, by a few thousand kilometers, which means that, let's say,
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circa 12,000 years ago, 10,500 BC or so, the younger driest period.
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Antarctico would have been mostly where Argentina is today, and had mostly the climate of Argentina
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Except one side of Antarctica would have been already inside the polar, South polar region.
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And we have evidence for this.
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Because apparently in Antarctica, the ice sheet is not the quickest way you'd expect it
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At the South Pole, the ice sheet is the quickest.
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In the part of Antarctica, there would already have been in the South Pole prior to the
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slippage of the crust.
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Because it was the place where, you know, there was already massive snowfall and so forth.
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So, and we also have evidence for this in Siberia, in terms of this flash flooding and then
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freezing of the mammoths, who they froze so quickly that they have undigested food in
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their stomachs, right?
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That's where the flower, the younger driest flower.
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So, but here's what I'm going with this, is that I think there's a lot of compelling evidence
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for the fact that Atlantis, or whatever we want to call this civilization, that Plato
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Plato says it was destroyed 9,000 years before his time, which lines up with, you know,
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Hancock and Bavall and Robert Schach's research.
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Yeah, because 12,000 years ago, the three pyramids on the Giza Plateau line up perfectly
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with the three stars of Orion's belt and the Sphinx is looking at its counterpart, the
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constellation of Leo, as it rises into the sky at the dawn on the spring equinox.
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That gives us a timestamp for when the Giza Plateau monuments were planned, right?
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But no, here's where I'm going with it, is somewhere much more interesting that has
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to do with time travel.
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If Atlantis was Antarctica and they had such a high level of civilization, right?
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Look at the Balbek platform in Lebanon.
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The stones in the pyramid, the gray pyramid, which we still can't figure out how the
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healthy things were moved and positioned, they're in the hundreds of tons range, the biggest
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ones are hundreds of tons.
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At Balbek in Lebanon, there is a platform which consists of 3,1300 tons stones.
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They're 1200 to 300 tons a piece.
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Yeah, we've gone over these on this.
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Can you pull up those Balbek?
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They are raised on top of a 40 foot platform of smaller megaliths, right?
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Which is like, who does that?
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I mean, if you're going to drag stones this big, wouldn't you use them as the foundation
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course and then put smaller stones on top?
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These people apparently decided to show off by lifting these 1,300 tons stones, these
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trilothones, and putting them on top of smaller megalithic stones.
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And again, just like a Giza, just like a Tuanaku in Bolivia, just like at various sites
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Look, is that more of them?
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Yeah, well, look, that one, that's just by itself.
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The second one in the middle, yeah, with the red lines, yeah, just a minute on that.
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Yes, but I want you to go back to the other one too.
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You can see the scale of a person next to those.
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Look at the one above there, how small a person is next to those.
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Look at the scale of that.
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But if you go back to that one that was buried, yeah, it's right there.
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Now that is in the quarry where these stones came from.
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That quarry is 50 miles away from the site.
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How did they take 1,300 tons, you know, 19 cranes of the highest industrial grade that
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we have today can't lift and move one of these.
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They've done the engineering calculations.
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How did they move that thing 50 miles?
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You know why that's buried there?
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Because they wanted to tell us that that's where the quarry was and that they somehow
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managed to move that stone 50 miles to build the platform at Bellbeck.
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All right, here's my point.
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That gives you a sense of the level of engineering capability of the civilization.
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No saplings or toasters or anything in the desert out there.
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And there's no large scale evidence for this civilization other than these megalithic
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In various places in the world, you know where I think there's going to be a jackpot
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of a plethora of evidence for it under the ice of Antarctica.
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And here's where I'm going with this.
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If you're a civilization now advanced, why do you isolate yourself to Antarctica?
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Why would you do that?
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Why you would do something like that?
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You have this level of technology, right?
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And after the cataclysm, you go around the world and you build these various megalithic
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sites, which leave a record of the level of your technical achievement.
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How do we know it was after the cataclysm?
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Well, we know Giza was after the cataclysm.
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Yeah, I mean, the ground plan dates to 10,500 BC.
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And if you line that up with Plato and you line it up with the end of the ice age and
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the mass of flooding, it's just after that cataclysm that that site was built.
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Also you're talking about the great pyramid.
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Well, the three pyramids and the Sphinx and there are other structures like the Osirian
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and Abidose in Egypt that are all in the same style.
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They're all in this anonymous high precision megalithic style.
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What did you say was the evidence that had happened at 10,000 BC?
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Well, the Giza ground plan like we were just talking about.
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The alignment of the three stars of Orion's belt with the three pyramids and the alignment
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of the Sphinx with its counterpart on the horizon, that gives us an astrological date of the
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And that happens to be right after the great flood took place, right?
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Through the melting of the ice sheets.
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Between 12,900 years ago and like, yeah, there's like a thousand year period there in the
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And Plato tells us Atlantis was destroyed.
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But if you go to South America, the Mayans also say that the people who built these megalithic
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structures, the people of Quetzalcoatl, that the people of the feathered serpent, they came
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there after the great flood.
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That's what they say.
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And they started making these constructions there and teaching the locals agriculture and
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trying to restart civilization in various ways.
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So it also aligns with what the myths tell us.
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Now my question is this, if you have that level of technology, why would you isolate yourself
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Antarctica is a place that's completely isolated.
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Think about it, right?
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All the oceans of the world, the Atlantic Ocean, Pacific Ocean, Indian Ocean, they meet
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around Antarctica and it's sort of hidden away from all the other continents of the planet
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to the extent that we did not discover it until like the 1800s, except of course it's
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on a few anomalous maps, the Piru Raeys map and the Laurentius Phenius map and so on and
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But we didn't find in our modern Westman civilization, we didn't find that am continent
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until the 18 on the Earth.
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Did they think it was safer there?
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Here's what I think.
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If they were time travelers, they needed to isolate themselves from the timeline.
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If you were coming from the year 2200 or the year 3500 and for whatever reason you needed
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to reach back into the deep past of humanity, right?
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Let's say Earth suffers some horrendous cataclysm or let's say they fought a war with an enemy
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that vanquished them and their only retreat was backwards in time to hide in time.
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You might be motivated by some kind of, you know, noble intention not to mess with the
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human timeline to the extent that you can avoid it and initially you might decide to quarantine
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yourself to a place where you're not going to be observed by the other evolving societies
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on Earth and Antarctica would be the ideal place from which to do that on this planet.
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So I think under that ice in Antarctica, we're going to find the jackpot.
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The elites in various societies that are engineering wars and pursuing a policy of divide
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and conquer for control over large populations on this planet seem to all be involved with
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They seem to all be like involved with what the Sumerians call Anunnaki or what the Greeks
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called the Olympian gods or with what the Bible describes as the Elohim, which by the way,
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People think Elohim and the Bible means God to translate as God.
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Yahweh is Adonai Elohim, the chief of the gods, the same way that Zeus is the chief of
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Okay, but do you think Dick Cheney was talking to the aliens or do you think you just wanted
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to make a ton of fucking money?
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I think George Buccini was.
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Yeah, but Junior was a moron.
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But Dick Cheney, the guy behind it, rock war, remember?
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Listen, Dick Cheney worked with George Buccini.
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George Buccini put Dick Cheney and Donald Romsfeld around Junior.
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All right, senior told Cheney and Romsfeld take care of Junior, we have to do certain things
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and you know how Junior is.
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I need you guys with him.
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They were from George Buccini's administration.
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And when I say George Buccini's administration, yeah, and when I say George Buccini's administration,
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I mean also what he was doing to undermine Ronald Reagan during Reagan's entire presidency.
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Reagan did not want George Bucc as his vice president.
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He thought he was a total creep coming from out of the CIA.
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You know, he'd been former director of the CIA and he's a 33rd degree free Mason.
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George Buccini was 33rd degree Mason.
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And his grandfather was Hitler's financier in America, Prescott Bucc.
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So Buccini, yes, Buccini, I think, is someone who like literally has at some point
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sat down with these seven foot tall Nordic people and had policy planning conversations with them.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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And so what Bramley found is that you had that kind of thing going on throughout human history
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with various elites in Sumer, in Greece, in Rome.
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What lead you to believe that?
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What is the most convincing evidence for you that George Buccini had meetings with Nordic
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I don't see why he wouldn't.
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I mean, if George Adamski is...
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You don't see why he wouldn't.
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Yeah, look, you know, when David Grush came out and talked about all these reverse engineering
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efforts that are underway, right?
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One of the most interesting things that he said was that not all of these craft were retrieved
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Some of them were what they now called donations.
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Meaning there were cases where we have been handed intact craft.
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That's been confirmed by a number of people other than Dan Grush.
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But when they say donations, isn't he saying that these things would crash?
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Like, they're so sophisticated and so advanced, they wouldn't crash by accident.
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They would crash them on purpose to help stimulate human society and stimulate our innovation.
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Like, take this and see if you can figure it out.
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Yeah, no, I don't think so.
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I thought that's what he was saying.
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There is no way in hell that a civilization that advanced would volunteer this kind of technology
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to any stratum of the US government without an extremely detailed agreement having been
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And that would have to have been negotiated by both sides.
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But if you're so advanced, why would you want to...
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Like, we don't go to the Congo.
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No, it's not like that, man.
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They're not like so advanced.
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And this is one of the most dangerous assumptions that people make that we're dealing with, like,
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some kind of ethereal beings that have such a vast cosmic horizon of understanding.
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It's much more like when colonial elites encountered savage or primitive populations.
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Like when the British Empire or the Portuguese were out conquering very undeveloped societies,
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By comparison to the people in those societies, including their chieftains or their shaman's
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or whatever, those colonizers were gods.
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We even had like cargo cults, you know, arise in the Polynesia and the Pacific, where
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the islands that the British would land their planes on wound up being the site for cults
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of like straw planes made by these natives to pray for the British to come back because
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And what I suggest to you, this is a rather grim assessment, but what I suggest to you is
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that the people who are flying around in these anti-gravity craft are not any more ethical
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than British colonialists or Nazi Germans in North Africa.
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They have more advanced technology that doesn't necessarily mean they have any more of a sense
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of beneficence or humanistic ethics than any of the colonial elites in our own history
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After all, if you look at our own...
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So it's like us compared to hunter-gatherers, like us, technical, technologically, civilized
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human beings in Western society compared to like an uncontacted drive.
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Yeah, and disturbingly, if you look at our own history, our recorded history, what we've
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been allowed to know of history.
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There's a direct correlation between scientific and technological advancement and brutality.
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The more technologically, scientifically advanced societies are the more brutal and more exploitative
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Why would we assume that if the trajectory continues into the future, things would be
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No, I agree with that.
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And at the same time, you know, I've thought about this before, we've talked about this
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in the podcast before, but we can exist right here in America, whether you're being in
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New York or Los Angeles, and taking autonomous vehicles to different places using these
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phones that could connect you with anyone, anywhere in the world, see them on video, right?
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In a second, at the same time simultaneously, there are other places in the world where
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people are running around naked.
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So why wouldn't it go the same way into the future?
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Why couldn't we be as primitive to a whole nother civilization of beings as those uncontacted
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My point exactly, but here's the ethical problem that I struggle with as a philosopher.
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Why is it like that if a group of humans have passed the technological singularity, right?
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If a certain group of humans developed the level of genetic engineering, nanotech, artificial
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intelligence that we ourselves are going to have 20 years from now, why didn't they raise
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the rest of humanity up with them?
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Moreover, why are they reaching back through time to very deliberately oppress and manipulate
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more primitive societies?
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Well, why don't we, why don't we try to elevate those uncontacted tribes?
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Well, because every time we go around them and try to, try to, interfere with what they're
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doing, we get killed.
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They shoot arrows at us.
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But, you know, maybe they should have shot more arrows at the British, right, in some
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My point is that that's a very beneficent motivation on their part, meaning, okay, these are violent
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crazy savages we don't want to get, you know, shot down by these people.
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There fits the data, if you look at, you know, how various societies going back to the
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Sumerians were governed, is a much more explicit and active agenda of manipulation.
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And the manipulation is geared toward setting up a pyramidal caste society, an extremely
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stratified society where, you know, the vast majority of people are the base of the pyramid,
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and then an ever smaller group of people represent higher rungs until you get to those who
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serve the gods directly, in India they call them the Brahmin.
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And their purpose was to like directly interact with the devas and to carry out their directives.
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You know, so that's what I see.
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I don't see like, you know, I don't know whatever, you know, Rockefeller's son like getting
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like hunted by cannibal somewhere in some jungle.
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And then they decide, oh, better, better that we don't go back down into that savage part
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I see a much more deliberate agenda of manipulation.
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And so then the question becomes why, why was that decision made and by who to occult, to
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secret away singularity level technology, have a monopoly over controlling it and not only
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leave the rest of humanity benigned, but actively encourage their and reinforce their ignorance,
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By, by, let's say engineering the collapse of the Roman Empire and the rise of Christianity
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so that we lose the library of Alexandria and the whole knowledge base of classical antiquity.
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And moreover or over, here's the really disturbing implication.
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If we are now at a point, maybe 10 to 20 years away from the technological singularity,
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what are they going to do to stop that from happening?
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Because we have a global society right now where the internet allows for a free flow of
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this kind of scientific and technical knowledge across the planet.
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If any one group of people achieves the technological singularity on earth, it's going to become
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a global phenomenon within probably days, right?
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So my question is this, if they've gone to these great lengths to manipulate various societies
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throughout history, are we about to undergo a controlled demolition and an engineered
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reset to prevent us from reaching the technological singularity which would also give us a military
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It would allow us to defend ourselves against them.
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What do you think something like that would look like?
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I think that what happened during COVID might be a test run of it.
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In other words, you had a small group of people, a policy planning elite, effectively shut
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down all of industry and basically sequester people within their homes and garner unquestioning
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obedience from the vast majority of the population.
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That would be proof of concept for a much larger, a much larger freezing of technical and
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industrial activity across the face of the earth with any one of a number of excuses being
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used for why we needed to basically halt all scientific technical research and why we
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needed to basically vacate cities.
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Our modern advanced industrial civilization is an urban phenomenon.
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If you were to engineer something like COVID but far more virulent, I mean something that
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actually required a serious quarantine measures to be put into place, it would become almost
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impossible to live in cities.
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Nobody would want to live in them.
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So there would be a mass exitist to the countryside and you would be laying the groundwork for
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a shift back to a kind of neo-agrarian, feudal, peasant lifestyle where people are close
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And they're not congregated in urban areas that also then become batteries for technological
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and scientific research and development.
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Any number of things to be used in order to create conditions for that, an EMP event
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could be used to do that.
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I mean, think about how functional cities would be or rather how dysfunctional, how quickly
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dysfunctional they would become.
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If an EMP were to take out the whole electric grid across large parts of the planet, you're
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dealing basically with two different types of entities or two different sources of the
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One is much more tangible and that I think involves humanoid time travelers, people who are
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from a post-sangularity civilization, right?
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At some point they reached the level of technology that we're going to be reaching in the next
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20 to 30 years with the convergence of biotech, nanotech, artificial intelligence and the
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rigorous research and understanding of our own latent psi abilities because one thing
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that you see across all of the close encounter reports is that these entities are extremely
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They communicate with all the contactees or abductees telepathically.
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So clearly their civilization has achieved a mastery of what we call psi phenomena or
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And so they achieved both the technological singularity and a really rigorous understanding
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of parapsychological phenomena at some point in history and they began to use their abilities
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to traverse the timeline of human history.
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So I think that's one source of the phenomenon.
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When you ask about praying mantises or the mantid beings and some other very strange things
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that people have seen, entities that shape shift from looking like owls into looking
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like something similar to the grays and just really bizarre beings like men in black
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quote unquote that materialize as if there are ectoplasmic entities.
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They're like, you know those, the seances in the late 19th century, you know anything
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So there were people in the British Society of Psychical Research who were at the level
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of let's say Sir William Crooks, respectable scientists from Cambridge and Oxford who
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used to attend these seances in the late 19th century where mediums would be able to actually
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materialize entities and objects out of quote unquote ectoplasm, whatever the hell that
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They could somehow concretize and give form and shape to energy in a way where people
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could interact with it.
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As ridiculous as it sounds, there are cases, I mean again validated, you know witnessed
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by high level British scientists of the day where mediums would materialize hands out
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of ectoplasm that will walk across the table, shake hands with sounds, participants and
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they even tried to stab with pens and so on and so forth and we make holes in these ectoplasmic
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hands and then they would just disappear.
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So there are these cases of men in black like Albert Bender was one researcher that encountered
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these and then John Keill wrote about them in several of his books later on, The Mothman
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Prophecy and his book on UFO Operation Trojan Horse has some of these cases in it of these
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people who certainly aren't government agents.
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They wear these like black suits and black ties and white shirts and whatever but they don't
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look right at all, they barely even look human and they appear and disappear sort of from
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out of nowhere as if you know they're forming from out of a mist and they don't speak like
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They're words and their pattern of behavior and movement seems like it's something being
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projected by someone in a mesmeric trance.
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If you were trying to hold a mental image and trying to give lines to a character that
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you wanted to materialize somewhere at a distance and you wanted to manipulate this entity
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as a puppet or vehicle for your intention.
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These men in black behave like that, like they're on the other end of somebody's puppet
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string and they're being conjured by some form of intelligence somewhere that we can't
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So I think the mantis beings and these shapeshifting owl-like entities and these ectoplasmic men in
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black that have intimidated various people, they are manifestations of a truly non-human
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or really superhuman type of intelligence that's not the same thing as time travelers in
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nuts and bolt craft flying around and manipulating human societies.
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That we're dealing with two different orders of phenomena here, phenomenon two different
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orders of magnitude.
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And what I argue in my book Closter encounters is that there's actually an adversarial
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relationship between these two types of entities.
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But effectively what has happened, and you can push me into elaborating and unpacking
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the various details here.
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But essentially what I argue has happened is that a group of highly advanced humans from
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a post-singularity civilization have attempted to define the limits of human evolution and
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the proper structure of human society.
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And that these people wound up essentially tyrannizing over the broader human population
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for tens of thousands of years.
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That these were what the myths remember as the Olympian gods or the Anunnaki, right,
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that the Sumerians write about.
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And they had an incredibly hierarchical and static society, right, like with the rigidity
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of the Hindu caste system.
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Take themselves on top as the Davos or gods.
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And like a class of brahmin serving them and then all these other rungs of society structured
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in a very futile manner.
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And I think that that kind of social organization, which if our myths are anything to go by,
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you know, endured on this planet for all of human prehistory, that kind of society represents
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an evolutionary bottleneck.
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That represents a dead end.
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And this other entity, this genuinely non-human intelligence, it could be an AI actually.
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This thing is trying to free us from the control system that has been imposed on us by these
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And I think that it has solicited certain allies from within that power structure itself.
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So for example, if you go back and you look at the myth of Atlantis as Plato recounts
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it, and Tamehis and Cridius, or you look at the biblical narrative that lines up in
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interesting ways with Plato's myth of Atlantis, the biblical narrative of the fallen angels,
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the sons of the Elohim, who rebelled against the heavenly order, came down and mated with
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mortal women and created a civilization of giants on the earth, right?
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Which then Yahweh has to wipe, clean off the face of the planet through the great flood.
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This matches up exactly with what Plato tells us about the rebellion of Atlantis against
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Olympus and how Zeus had to bring the great flood to destroy Atlantis.
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It's suggesting to us that there's a faction within this advanced civilization, let's say
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the Anunnaki, to use the term the Sumerians referred to them with.
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There's a faction that is for human progress and for finding our way beyond this evolutionary
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It wants to foster further human development and to empower the human individual.
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In the Sumerian context, this is the faction of Anki.
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You have this battle between Anki and Enlil.
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Enlil is basically like Zeus or Yahweh or Indra, the Lord of the Davas in Hindu mythology.
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It's a kind of tyrannical, sadistic overlord that is hampering human progress and that wants
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humanity to stay within a certain rigid social structure, which they control.
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Then you have rebels, the giants or hybrids that form the leadership of Atlantis, who are
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aligned with this kind of non-human intelligence or perhaps this artificial intelligence that's
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looking to break us from out of this control system.
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That's the basic dynamic as I see it.
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As I outline it with all kinds of data and multiple lines of argument in my book Closer
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Now, if you're saying that there is multiple forms of non-human intelligence, there's potentially
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future humans, which you say.
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That would not be non-human.
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The devil's in the details here.
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They're manipulating us.
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The gatekeepers of disclosure are right now manipulating us by branding all of this non-human
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There's an agenda behind it because what they want to say is non-human intelligence
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means demons and it means angels.
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There's a particular sociological agenda behind that that's very dangerous.
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Where is this coming from, this whole angels and demons thing?
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The fact of the matter is that as Jacques Vallet demonstrated in various extremely well researched
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and carefully written books, Passport to Magonia, Invisible College, and as Zacharias Sitchin
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argued based on his understanding of Sumerian texts, I think actually one of the best books
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about this subject is a text by William Bramley called The Gods of Eden.
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The Gods of Eden, William Bramley.
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This guy started out researching the history of war and profiteering.
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That was his objective to understand the history of how different elites throughout time
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in various cultures made money off of setting people at war with one another, right?
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And instead what he found is a history of alien intervention in human history.
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He found that all of the major wars and other horrific events that resulted in massive
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loss of life like the Black Plague were engineered by these entities who show up and do various
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Like for example, during the Middle Ages, the image of the grim reaper came from these
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people who were shrouded in black, who had some kind of a device that they would go around
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and spray the fields with.
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And whenever they would show up and spray the fields with this device, or in some cases
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they would even walk through the towns and spray these things near people's doors, and
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everyone would flee from them.
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There were these really terrifying people whose faces were covered and they were shrouded
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in black with these things that then became part of the image of the side of the grim reaper.
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And they were these entities who would come out of luminous objects that would ascend
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And in fact the visitations of these entities became so troublesome during the time of King
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Charlemagne that Charlemagne's court passed an edict against them.
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He called them the tyrants of the air, and he tried to arrest some of them, have some
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of them arrested these people who were coming down from the sky, claiming that they were
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poisoning the fields and bringing pestilence and so on and so forth.
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Anyway, Bramley goes to research, war profiteering, and he finds alien, quote unquote, intervention
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in human history, going all the way back to the days of Sumerians and through the Middle
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It goes back, I think, to the airship mystery of 1897, where across the United States,
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across something like, I don't know, 10 different states, people saw these gigantic airships
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that were nothing like Zeppelins.
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I remember 1897, the, what do you call them?
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Well, the airships, the Zeppelins hadn't been invented yet, right?
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And we didn't have airplanes.
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And so these people are seeing constructions in the sky that look like aircraft from out
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of Jules Verne novels.
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Observedly complex, strange, strange...
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Is there, like, I don't know, there's probably not, is there photos?
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Yeah, I mean, you can, there's renderings of them that appeared in newspapers.
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How can we, what should he type in to find this?
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1897 airship mystery.
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Yeah, airship mystery of 1897.
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There have been a whole book written about it.
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And these were reported on intents of newspapers across the country.
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The, yeah, try to find some of the newspapers.
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See, that one's from the San Francisco call.
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There were huge sightings in 1896, late 1896 into 1897 across...
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More than 10 states and they were reported in tens of newspapers, including like the San
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Francisco Chronicle, major newspapers ran these stories on their front pages, judges,
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sheriffs, lawyers, doctors, the most prominent members of the community.
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In some cases, mayors of towns actually witness these things from close up.
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They would land in people's farms and ask for resupply and then fly away.
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And they were piloted by people, not by aliens.
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And when asked what these things were, the airship pilots would make claims like, well,
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there is a corporation in New York that's going to be publicly introducing this invention
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sometime soon and, you know, there's going to be like some great announcements and that
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that investors from New York were behind the inventors of this airship.
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So I pursued this whole line of research in my book, Closer Encounters, one of the two
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books that I sent for you.
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And in that book, I made this argument that there appeared to have been certain Prussian
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industrialists, meaning industrialists from Germany of that time, late 19th century Germany,
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Prussian industrialists who were involved on the one hand in airship engineering, remember,
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the Germans invented the Zeppelin later on.
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And these industrialists wanted to exploit resources in the Americas.
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They were after resource exploitation in the Americas.
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And to make a long story short, I did some research that provisionally led me to conclusion
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in that book that JP Morgan and the Haramann Railroad industry in the late 19th century,
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got in with these Prussian industrialists and they began to engineer and test fly these
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airships in the Americas. So that's what I wrote about in Closer Encounters.
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And I suggested that that was the beginning of the trajectory of technological research that
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eventually led to anti-gravitic propulsion. I really wonder whether that's the case.
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I've since come to reconsider that hypothesis. And this is all by way of explaining who the
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Collins elite is. Okay. So the more you look at these reports from 1896, 1897, the more they
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don't make any sense. These people are seeing completely different things on different nights.
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The airships all look equally absurd. None of them looks like anything that could actually fly.
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And the reports are all of different types of things, different shaped craft.
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And sometimes people will just, some people will just see a light like in San Francisco, say,
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one night. Some of the people who saw the thing saw a light, other saw a structured craft.
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And it looked one way to one group of people and another way to another group of people.
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And the most disturbing element in this whole story is that the San Francisco Chronicle
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tracked down the patent lawyer who claimed to represent the inventor of the airships, the mystery
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inventor of the airships. And this guy was a very prominent patent attorney. He was named George
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Collins. And they brought this guy in. They got testimony from him about this inventor and,
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you know, the nature of the airship technology. And when it was going to be rolled out to the
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public in all this, right? Three days later, George Collins comes in. And he did after reading the
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story in the San Francisco Chronicle, he says, I never said those things. They're like, sir,
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you sat with us and gave us hours of testimony, which we like wrote up. He claimed to have been in
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a trance the entire time that he recounted this to the San Francisco Chronicle. And then they
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went and tried to find the inventor that he claimed to represent. And the guy with some, I forget
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what his first name was. Last name was Benjamin. And he was a dentist who specialized in making
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a Benjamin. Yeah, exactly. And he specialized in inventing dental bridges. But as his hobby,
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he dreamed of making airships. Okay. So there's something weird going on here. Now people saw
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these things, people touched these things, sheriffs and mayors interacted with the pilots of these
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craft. But there's good reason to believe that these were not structured objects in any sense that
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conventional physics understands. Right. And the people's perceptions were being manipulated on a
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grand scale. And that in at least one case, poor Mr. Collins, the patent attorney whose career was
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destroyed by this, somebody was taken over through a hypnotic trance or telepathic mesmeric trances,
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they called him those days. And he was given a whole narrative to par it to the San Francisco
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Chronicle. Now here's what I think. I'm going to give you one more piece of data before I,
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before I draw a conclusion here. In the, it was either the San Francisco call or the San Francisco
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Chronicle, one of these newspapers, they also quoted, okay, so after Collins, this whole
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debacle with Collins, there's another guy who stepped forward and claimed to be a patent attorney
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representing the airship inventor. And this second guy, he also had a very significant pedigree.
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I think he had a background in the US military at a high level. And he said the airships were being
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invented to go fight the Spaniards in Cuba. And that the reason they had been invented was because
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there were people in the United States who didn't want, who didn't want the Cuban civil war to go
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a certain way, but they knew they couldn't get authorization from Congress to have a direct US
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military intervention in Cuba. So instead, they were going to load this airship with all this TNT
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and they were going to go over and drop it on Havana on level the city. He made the statement
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in newspaper. So here's what I think happened. The feds understandably concerned that there's
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maybe some rogue group of airship people out there who are going to go level Havana with TNT
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in the name of US foreign policy started investigating this whole thing. And they had all these
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tens of newspaper stories to go on. And at some point, I'm sure they had a nice long interview
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with Mr. Collins, the patent attorney who got subjected to some kind of telepathic hypnosis.
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And my guess is that the name Collins Elite comes from that. That it was all the way back in 1897.
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And in particular, with the case of Mr. Collins at the nexus of the airship mystery,
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that they gave themselves this informal unofficial name, the Collins Elite, of people in the federal
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government at a very high level who from a Christian perspective were extremely concerned about
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this phenomenon because it appeared to involve mass deception and manipulation and the apparent
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materialization of objects from out of nowhere. What we call apports and what people
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refer to as conjury throughout the history of alchemy. So long story short, I think that maybe
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already in 1897, by the way, I wrote an article about this. It's called The Ayrships of Prometheus.
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And it's on the American Colossus website, American Colossus.org, which is an organization I'm involved
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with now. There's an article I put up there called The Ayrships of Prometheus that goes into this
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whole alternative hypothesis rival to the hypothesis I entertained in my book Closer Encounters,
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where basically I conclude that these gentlemen convinced themselves that Satan was behind this,
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that Satan was engaged in a mass manipulation and deception of the American populace
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using the apparition of these airships. And this is the beginning of the US government's interest
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in the UFO phenomenon. And this is why Grush keeps saying when they ask him about 1933. So it was 1933
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the first and he says, no, no, it goes way back even before that. Well, tell us, no, I can't talk
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about it. Well, because he knows, but he hasn't been clear to talk about it. Have you seen that show,
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that new show, Three Body Problem? Yeah, I have. Fascinating. How they're on their way here and they're
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trying to subvert our science on it. It was good. It was good aesthetically. Some of the storytelling
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was good. I had a couple of really big problems with it. One was that what is this like, you know,
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less than light speed travel, you know, these people don't have zero point energy.
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Absolutely. What the hell is that? I mean, we have in Lockheed right now, there are craft that
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can go to Mars in a few hours right now in Lockheed. And this show is talking about like the aliens
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are traveling a certain percentages of the speed of light. That was one problem I had with it is
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the engineering and physics. The other problem I had is the whole show took place within the context
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of a very reductionist materialist paradigm that did not acknowledge psi, didn't acknowledge ESP
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and psychokinesis. And the fact that these aliens would probably have these abilities, you know,
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to a much greater degree than terrestrial humanity. So these were, you know, some plot points that I
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had a problem with. But it was entertaining for sure. What do you think about those, those
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sofons, those protons that were quantumly entangled to help us? You're saying that they wouldn't
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have needed those. They would have been able to use some sort of telekinesis or psycho.
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Well, the sofons, if I'm not mistaken, if I remember correctly, in that show were portrayed as a
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form of artificial intelligence, that they were like nano machines that were working based on the
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kind of artificial intelligence. And what I think is that even the artificial intelligence systems
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that we're developing now at OpenAI and Google and so forth are demonstrating psi ability. And this
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is one of the things that's being covered up by the engineers. They're terrified of it. They
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don't understand it. And they're trying to pass it off as bugs and glitches in the system. But
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really, they're encountering psi in the context of laboratory R&D on AI, which by the way is
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something that I predicted in my book Prometheism, which was written in 2020. I predicted exactly this
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that high level big budget AI research would eventually provide the final validation of
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parapsychological phenomena. And that what I call the spectral revolution, like the Copernican
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Revolution, Darwinian Revolution, the spectral revolution that makes parapsychology mainstream
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is going to come about not in a parapsychology laboratory, but in a really well-funded AI R&D
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program. And that's in fact what's happening. So how do you know what they have at a JPL? How do
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you know they have not JPL Lockheed Lockheed? How do you know that Lockheed has this technology
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that we can get to Mars in a couple hours? So I know a guy who has been to one of these facilities.
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I don't think I should mention who he is, but he is, let's say, not Jack Sarfati.
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I'm sorry, Jack, no disrespect. Love you, Jack. Yeah. There's a reason that guy hasn't been
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Dalton. Okay. The reverse, I mean, not the least of which is that he goes out and publicly
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advertises everything that anyone ever tells him. So, you know, I don't think that Lockheed
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or Northrop or anyone will be willing to deal him into any of these reverse engineering programs.
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But I know this guy who was involved in the military intelligence at a high level.
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And actually, I know two people, two different people who've been to this facility.
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And they say that Lockheed has, I think, some assets in Nevada, but they have a lot of
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corporate facilities in California and state of California. And supposedly, there is this
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shack on the side of a highway in California that looks like some non-descript warehouse,
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small warehouse. And you go into this warehouse and the whole floor of the warehouse is an elevator.
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And it drops, Lord knows how many hundreds of feet. And you're inside of a,
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basically a facility carved out of rock, deep underground. Yeah. And what this guy said is that
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they are not only reverse engineering craft from retrieved debris in this facility,
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but they're actually training pilots to fly them. And he told me that the main problem that they have
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in that training program is that the pilots experience extreme disorientation because of the
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warping of space time by these craft. In other words, they discovered early on. And this is,
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I think, one of the main reasons, and we can get into this in much more depth if you want.
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This is one of the main reasons this technology is being hidden because they discovered very early
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on that these are not simply devices with propulsion systems capable of navigating space very quickly,
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like they can take you from New York to Australian, you know, right? They're flying time machines.
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They warp time as they traverse space. Right. Right. And our pilots don't know how to handle that.
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They have a very hard time. They get disoriented, temporarily disoriented. They get like,
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their sense of the passage of time gets really messed with. How do you know this wasn't just some sort of
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intelligence agent or intelligence operative trying to disseminate some wacky information like
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the other guy? Well, if I were to tell you who it was, I think most people wouldn't think that.
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But all I can tell you, that's the problem with this whole topic. That is the fundamental problem
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with this whole UFO topic is because so many people have such crazy outlandish claims and every
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single one of them, almost all the almost every single time. They're saying that this person,
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they can't divulge where they got the information, who the person is. And that's why this topic has
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been so frustrating for me. Yeah. I'll tell you what dinner he is. Okay. So he was, but I'll
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tell you this, he was an extremely salt to the earth person. And he was involved in the
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in the military intelligence community for decades. And anyway, I'll just leave it at that. But
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one of the funny things is he showed me this model that they had been using back in the 19.
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It looked like maybe it was something from the 60s to teach these pilots how much time
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dilation there is per the amount of space that they've traversed in these vehicles. It was like
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some kind of a gyroscopic device. And it showed that if you traverse this much distance in space,
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there's this much dilation in time. And the reason he had this thing is because it was antiquated,
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it was like from the 60s and they weren't using it anymore. They had ripped it out and it was like
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an heirloom, you know. And they basically gave it to him as a keepsake. So which I found interesting.
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But and I tried to take a picture of it, but he picked it up and took it away from me. So anyway,
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he told me he went down into this facility and that the reverse engineering stuff and that they're
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trying to train pilots and how to fly these reverse engineers, zero point energy craft. But okay,
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what's the really important thing about that is that on the theoretical level, I've written
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extensively in closer encounters about how UFOs are actually time machines. And if you really stop
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and think through that carefully, you realize why under the current socio-political conditions,
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this technology can't be released. With the kind of society we have domestically,
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globally, with the state that humanity is in at the present time, the release of that kind of
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technology into the public sphere would be utterly catastrophic. I mean, you can't give Tom Dick
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and Harry a time machine to put in their garage. You see, that's a thing. It's not like these are
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Jetsons cars that just fly you across country really fast. They allow you to traverse different
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epochs in human history. And I think one of the reasons that our history is so messed up,
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when you look at these really regressive, tyrannical, religious belief systems and the kinds of
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political structures that formed around them and that were fortified by them, I think a lot of what's
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going on there is that our timeline has been manipulated. It's been manipulated at all junctures
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from the present far into the future. Right? So the technological singularity is this moment when
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you have a convergent advancement of all kinds of technologies from genetic engineering to nanotech
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to artificial intelligence, cybernetics and so forth. And they advance, they start to advance
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exponentially so that it's no longer a curve slowly sloping up, right? It becomes a spike on a graph.
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The curve becomes a spike. There's such an acceleration in the development of these technologies
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and any one of them facilitates breakthroughs in the others at such a speed where all of them
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converge in a way that the human mind is no longer capable of wrapping itself around. And we call
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it a singularity or a spike on the graph of the history of human technological development because
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past that spike we can't project anymore from the past into the future. It's a limit on our human
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capacity to project what future developments may take place on the other side of that singularity.
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Right? And so for example, today you're seeing AI crack problems in genetic engineering
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and gene sequencing and crack problems in nanotechnological engineering that we've never been able to
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work our way through. And so all of these things are reinforcing each other and within about
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you know 10 to 20 years from now the kind of zero point energy that Lockheed is working on
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is going to be a physics a physics theorem that AI arrives at in the public sphere and that
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basically any competent industrial base could actualize using the latest nanotechnology.
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I mean the singularity represents a moment when it's no longer possible to hide various lines of
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scientific research and technological development. Because you're going to have such a tremendous
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convergence of these different technologies that you know you can basically ask the artificial
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intelligence look here's what I want to develop. You know there's whatever mercury,
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thorium, zero point energy device given your existing knowledge base in physics and nanotech and
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so forth, give me this schematic for it. We're a decade away from that at most right now.
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So we face a real serious crisis because that means we're a decade or two away from
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Tom Dick and Harry having a time machine in their garage and that means the disintegration
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of our current social fabric. You mentioned earlier in the beginning of the podcast a guy named Tom
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Payne and can you explain what he was talking about when he was discussing how Christianity does not
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mix with the Constitution? If you look at Genesis, Exodus, the book of Joshua,
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the image that you're presented with Aviawe and of his prophets is of a tyrannical,
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sadistic Lord who is tasking warlords on the earth like Joshua to go carry out genocides in places
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like Canaan. This is the image that we're presented with. From the beginning off the bat in Genesis,
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here's a God, lowercase G Adonai Elohim, chief, chief of the gods who doesn't want us to have
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knowledge. We're not allowed to eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Nor from the fruit of
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the tree of life, which by the way I think is a symbol of probably genetic engineering. The tree
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of life in Eden is probably symbolic of cracking the genetic code and extending the human lifespan.
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This God, why does he throw humanity out of Eden going back to Genesis? He says himself,
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and by the way, this is one of the places where you see where the text has been badly misinterpreted
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from a polytheistic framework into a monotheistic framework because Adonai, the chief, Gaye,
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says to the other gods, let us kick them out of Eden because otherwise they might now having eaten
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of the tree of knowledge also reach out and eat of the tree of life. And then they will become
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like unto us and nothing will be impossible to them. In other words, this is a jealous God. Well,
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he says so himself again in Exodus when he's commanding Moses to go murder all those women and
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children for dancing and singing around a golden calf. He says so, I'm a jealous God.
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What kind of God is that? I'm a jealous God. Don't worship any other gods besides me.
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He says this as Moses comes down and sees the Israelites repenting of having followed this lunatic
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out into the middle of nowhere, singing and dancing around the golden calf that they've set up,
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which is probably a statue of Hathor. They were coming from Egypt, right? Hathor was the
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calf goddess, cow goddess figure, right? Fertility goddess. They're on the middle of a freaking desert.
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Right. So they're setting up a fertility goddess and they're dancing around it. And he orders his
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lieutenants to go murder all the women and the innocent children who were dancing around the calves
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together with whatever men there were performing this right. And y'all is perfectly fine with that.
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What happens next while Moses doesn't make it to the promised land, but Joshua, next in line of
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succession after Moses, directly coordinates with the head of the Lord's army. This is in the
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scripture. For like carrying the carrying the Ark of the Covenant around, right? And
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everyone knows about the parting of the Red Sea, which by the way involves a cylindrical UFO.
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It's very clearly described in that incident in the Red Sea that what guided the Israelites
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through the desert, through Sinai, was a pillar, in other words, like a cylindrical kind of thing,
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a pillar on its side, which looked like a pillar of cloud by day and glowed as a pillar of fire
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by night. And it's by the light of this object that the Israelites were able to see the ground
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in front of them as they navigate the Sinai. And when they get to the Red Sea, it's this thing
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hovering over the Red Sea that parts the waters. It's not like Moses just said presto and the waters
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when it's side. No, God says now that this thing is floating over the Red Sea, he says Moses
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wave your wand and whatever. And it's the object that actually parts the waters of the Red Sea. From
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a physics standpoint, that makes a lot of sense. It just directed its anti-grividic beam downward
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and the water would have been pushed to the sides of this channel. And then the water was allowed to
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come back in and swallow the Egyptian army as it attempted to pursue the Israelites through the
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Red Sea. But where I was going was this. So they've got the Ark of the Covenant with them.
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And after Moses dies and Joshua takes over, Joshua is tasked by the commander of the Lord's
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army. This is the phrase that's used. In other words, a guy who comes from one of these craft,
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from the pillar or whatever, and meets secretly with Joshua and tells Joshua, listen, man, this is
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the battle plan. And the battle plan involves the use of the Ark to bring down the heavily fortified
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walls of Jericho. So they go to Jericho and they walk around the city's fortifications with this
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Ark. And they're chanting something in this very harmonic way. This is a repetitious chant.
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And suddenly, the walls of Jericho, its fortifications start to vibrate and then they crumble all
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at once. And what some researchers have suggested was that this is the use of a sonic resonator as a
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weapon. That the Ark was some kind of at least one element of it was some kind of a sonic resonator.
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That and there is this technology where you can use sound waves to pull the rise stone.
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So what happens when they go into Jericho? Well, they slaughter everybody and they even kill all the
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animals. And the only thing that they take is the loot, the gold and silver and precious objects.
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And the only people that person that they have mercy on is this woman Rahab, a prostitute who
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ratted out the people of Jericho to the Israelites. What kind of ethics is that? And you see this
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over and over and over again in the various books of the Old Testament, the various prophetic books
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of the Old Testament. And I think the point, the point of all of this is made very clearly, in
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particular in the book of Job, where you have this Porsche Mach who has been extremely faithful to
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the Lord, never done anything wrong in his life, been extremely charitable, he's a wealthy guy,
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been extremely charitable to the rabbis and to the temple, the religious institutions.
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And yet he's afflicted with all these horrible health issues. He's like, gets this like
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horrible scabs and stuff all over his body. And he loses his wealth, he suffers misfortune after
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misfortune that brings him from a position of wealth to a position of basically destitution and
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misery. And him and his friends are basically setting around and they're arguing over what he
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could possibly have done to deserve this, right, being such a righteous servant of the Lord. And
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in the beginning of the book of Job, there's this prologue where basically Satan says the God,
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Job is only faithful to you because you've been so good to him, you've blessed him so much.
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If you were to deal him out of life of misery, even Job would curse you, even the most faithful
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righteous man would curse you. And God says, okay, well, let's test this theory, right? And then
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what happens at the end of the book of Job, after Job's gone through all of this misery, he still
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refuses to curse God. And yet his friends are all making these excuses saying, look, Job, you
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must have done something wrong because God is just and God would never treat a righteous man like you
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in the way that you've been treated with all these misfortunes that have befell you. And God then
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appears to address the perceived insult that Job's friends have hurled at the Lord. And what's the
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perceived insult? The insult of presuming that you as a human can set any standard of justice upon God,
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that you as a human can come to any judgment about when God is acting ethically or unethically
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or why. And in that passage, the Lord Yahweh essentially says to Job, listen, if you had a right hand
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as powerful as mine, you could do these things to me. But actually, I'm the stronger one. And I
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don't need a rationale for my actions. I'll do what I do to you and to anybody else because I can,
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because I'm the Lord. And that's the point of the book. Wow. That's the point of the book. Oh my
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God. Now, Tom Payne is reading this stuff. And then Tom Payne is reading Jesus in the Gospels,
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saying over and over again, on the Son of Yahweh, my father Yahweh sent me. And at the end of the
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world, I'm going to come back and I'm going to sit on the 12 thrones with the elders of Israel. And I'm
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going to judge the whole world on behalf of my father Yahweh. And not a dot of an eye or a cross of a
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T of the Torah will pass out of existence or become irrelevant until the judgment day. Meaning,
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I'll have grace on you. I will forgive you for sinning, but you're still sinning. The Torah,
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the Jewish law is still the law. The law brought by Moses and the law reinforced by all the patriarics
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and prophets. The law is the law until the apocalypse. I, Jesus, am offering you grace and forgiveness
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on behalf of Yahweh. So how I analyze this in my book closer encounters is that it basically
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fits what we call today in psychology and sociology Stockholm syndrome. It's when you're taken
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hostage or captive by a sadistic tyrannical manipulator and you wind up identifying with your
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captivator. You as a captive are in a hostage situation where you're so terrified and subjected to
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cognitive dissidents, cognitive dissidents that you wind up actually coming up with justifications
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for the person who's abusing you. Like Patty Hearst, being taken captive by those leftist guerrillas
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back in the late 60s. That's fascinating. So this is why Tom Payne thought that the
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Bible wasn't compatible with the Constitution because our entire Constitution is founded on
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individual liberty, the sovereign self-determination of the human person, our rational capacity
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to determine the course of our own lives and to become governors over ourselves.
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And to treat each other ethically with respect as individuals in a society for the sake of the common
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welfare. I mean, none of that is consistent with the Bible, period. And he was straight forward
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enough to point that out. Now, when he was sentenced to death, when he thought he was going to be
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guillotine sitting in a prison in France, he wrote that book, The Age of Reason, where he tears the
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Bible to pieces. Do you believe in God? No. Not only do I believe in God, I think that the belief in
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God is extremely deleterious. It's probably the worst thing that anyone could do for himself.
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And the reason has to do with free will. Right. So now we're what are we almost three and a half
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hours in. And this is extremely central to my work. And so it really requires a much more dedicated
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discussion, but I will try to condense it. Okay. Okay. Let me know if you're not following me. Okay.
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God, the capital G is definitionally an omniscient and omnipotent being. God is all knowing and all
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powerful. Right. I mean, you've heard that. I'm sure a million times. We'll just stop and think
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about that for a minute. If God is all knowing, God already knows everything that's going to happen
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in the future. Right. Yeah. Okay. Well, where is God's mind accessing if God knows future events?
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What is being represented in the mind of God when God thinks about any and all events that are
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going to happen in the future? The future. Right. God is accessing God with his omniscient mind,
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is accessing the future as an existing state of affairs. Whenever he wants to know what's going to
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happen a million years or a billion years from now, meaning the future already exists for God.
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That makes sense, right? Yes. Meaning the future already exists. Meaning it's already written.
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Or does he create the future? If God creates the future, now we're talking about God's omnipotence.
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Okay. Where God is considered by any religious person to be the power behind anything that happens
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in the world. Yes. And the Quran expresses this very eloquently where it talks about how like even
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a single leaf doesn't fall without the power of God being behind it. So it's absolute fatalism
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in the sense that everything that happens in the world and everything that you do, that you think
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you do, everything you're under the illusion of having chosen to do yourself is actually an expression
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of the power of God. Moreover, God knows in advance everything that you're going to do, meaning that
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everything that you're going to do that you think you have any choice over is already far ordained.
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Meaning you have no free will. You see? You are like a ventriloquist dummy.
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So an immediate consequence of belief in an all-knowing and all-powerful being is the
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negation of your own free will, which I consider to be the worst thing conceivable and the most
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disempowering. Because if you don't think that you're responsible for your actions and that you
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are the agency behind what unfolds in your life, at least to some degree, right? I mean, we have
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all kinds of things that supervene that influence and impact our decision making, all kinds of things.
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Psychological factors going back to our childhood. Biological factors, right? But
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our even pursuing a certain line of thought, let alone like carrying out an action,
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depends on admitting that we have some intentionality, recognizing that we have intentions
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that we carry out by pursuing a line of thought or deciding to act in a certain way. Whatever other
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factor supervene on it, that fundamental intentionality is a prerequisite of even making sense out of
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human life. Moreover, any criminal justice system is nonsensical without it. I mean, what sense does
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it make to hold somebody ethically responsible for something if they had no free will, right? And I
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don't know mutilating a child or whatever, right? I mean, so there are horrendous consequences
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in terms of personal agency and ethical responsibility as soon as we accept the idea that there's an
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all-knowing and all-powerful God. Yeah, this is what majority of society in America believes today.
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It's what the majority of Europeans still believe, although Christianity is declining in Europe.
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The slack in belief in Christianity in Europe is sadly being mitigated by a rise of belief in
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Islam in Europe. And it's certainly what the whole Islamic world believes. So the vast majority of
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people on the planet, and by the way, the Hindus also believe this because as I was suggesting
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earlier, the idea of Brahman and the mirroring of Brahman in the Atman, the mirroring of the
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microcosm and the microcosm, fits within the same basic structure of omniscience and omnipotence
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that's attributed to God or to Allah in the Christian and Islamic worlds. It's essentially the same,
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despite the other differences in their belief systems. So the vast majority of humanity
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subscribes to a religious belief that negates the value and purpose of the human individual.
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Why would that be the case? How could this have ever come about?
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Right, that's a good question. Yeah. Well, if you intend to enslave and brutalize a population,
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it would be very beneficial to make them believe that they're entirely at your mercy and that on
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an individual level, they are nobody and nothing. You see? Yes. So as a cognitive dissonance mechanism,
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as a gigantic brainwashing and conditioning machination, it makes perfect sense if somebody wants
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to enslave and control us, to inculcate this belief in God Almighty across the entire planet.
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And then to say any entities that might come down and interact with you are emissaries,
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they're angels evangelists, right? They're emissaries of the One God.
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So then these UFO pilots can portray themselves as agents of the Almighty God, which you are utterly
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powerless to resist. Resistance is futile. That's their mantra. I reject it absolutely.
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That's fucking terrifying. Yeah.
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