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Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO podcast. My name is Andy and joining me once again today I have a journalist researcher filmmaker and director of several documentaries and series including his latest UFO revolution and of course, cohost of the hugely successful weaponized podcast with George and that.
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Welcome back Jeremy Corbyl Jeremy, how are we?
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A great man thanks Andy thanks for having me on it's really cool to kind of get with you again I like the way that you ask questions from some of your audience so good to be here.
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Yeah there was a lot of them I can assure you not enough to get through in one night for me but I've picked out a selection of some of the better ones and best ones that I think we can we can get across here and Jeremy what a hell of a year 2024 was.
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God you were last on kind of middle of last year think it was a hearings fallout before the big hearing at the end of the year or it was 2023 Christ it was something like that anyway.
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But yeah we got we got those hearings last year at the end of the year around November that's where I want to start off because again you seem to get your front no seats at these things.
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You've obviously got your contacts but the big one of the big talking points afterwards was the immaculate constellation document and there was a fury surrounding that you want to just remind listeners and your words because you were so involved what happened there.
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Yeah so first of all it's not like that I got like contacts to be in Congress it's in DC you know I worked for many months on on both of the hearings the idea or the aim for me was always to try to get the voices of people who deserve or worthy of an element of our trust who say hey look I was involved in this I have some particular knowledge about this.
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Hopefully we vet people to a degree where when we get them up to that level with their talent congressional members like what they experienced saw had accidental exposure to or directly worked on that we can bring it on to that kind of that stage of Congress where sorry let me silence my phone.
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Where the American public can then decide what it is how much value to attach to it that's why for the second hearing because remember we we didn't have hearings for for 50 years and I know for a lot of us who are kind of coming into this new like the UFO thing what we're seeing so much information it's almost gets a frenic like there's just so much information it wasn't always like that.
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We held a congressional hearing in DC there was a mock congressional hearing in 2013 called the citizen hearing on disclosure had 40 witnesses over seven days five congressional members one senator they were former members and we tried to replicate what this would look like and then all of a sudden we've got the first hearing in 50 years it kind of shocked me too.
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So getting involved with that what I have been trying to do is bring credible people with what would seem to be incredible claims but have direct knowledge in some way and connect them with members of Congress and Senate and try to get them to tell their story whistleblowers like straight up whistleblowers now we still need to decide the value of that information even with Immaculate Constellation.
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At some point the author of that needs to come forward and tell the American public what it is and how it is that he got exposed to this information and and that is coming and that's exciting like I'm excited about it too.
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But understand when you bring people forward behind closed doors and you have them meet with the house and Senate and staffers that does so much for the American public's understanding but there's a limit when you bring them out forward under on television in a congressional hearing then we need to contend with that information we need to vet it we need to contend with it.
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And you saw that with David Grush and you saw the pushback from intelligence agencies with David Grush where they went after his PTSD records and they were just leaked to some shill asked journalist you know to try to discredit him that should tell you a lot too.
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So with this last hearing just break it down for you really simple.
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People are going to they have you know lied about kind of what my motivation was for getting the record straight in that hearing and I understand that you know they say that so I delivered the Immaculate Constellation documents to Congress it was an over a two month process it was a really distinct process.
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I was able to walk the whistle or in in a very unique way to meet directly with members and this is just like in a public sense.
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You know the individual had testified prior behind closed doors but this was to prep Congress for being able to accept hey there's a person behind this you're not being fooled like this is a government employee who has something to say that I think is valuable.
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So imagine for like a couple months i'm really putting the like canary in the coal mine you know kind of like testing out the process when Congress says we can protect you whistleblower you know we're testing that out to see if it's true.
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So I kind of give a lot of matter spec to the author of a mac the constellation for willing to spill some blood to see if this is going to work.
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But that process is going on for a couple months and then if you kind of follow it along with the docu series it showed you what happened in real time.
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And the night before I gave them a much more delivered a much more condensed and authorized assessment of what occurred which people kind of know now as the 11 pages of a mac the constellation.
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But even to that last moment because I felt the pressures of a sort of theatrical shaping of the u a p narrative.
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I waited to that last morning to have one copy that had a identifying mark so that when it was copied and put on congressional record.
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It is absolute it is authorized is correct and accurate information so I had like a huge shock and surprise when they misrepresented that two and a half month process of getting something onto congressional record.
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To represent a whistleblower and they just straight lied you know an anti-nase lied i mean she she knew because i brought in the whistleblower you know months before.
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So it was just very bizarre to me I still don't know exactly what to make of it other than there's a control system you know in place for how they want to present information and it was a lot.
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So I just called it out i just called it out i said that that was a lie right there sitting there by the dius called it out and there were a bunch of people there witnesses.
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So people have said that that's my ego like someone else turned in my homework you cut.
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I don't know maybe they weren't listening um people didn't said that it was confusion that there was no confusion none.
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And then the new lie is that and i've been getting calls about this we were just trying to protect you and the whistleblower protect me from what i don't need protection.
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I just brought a whistleblower in gave you the documents made sure you had time to vet them so you could put them on congressional record.
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Why lie so it was just so bizarre to me like i still don't know why like i still don't but um i think when we're asking for transparency on the UFO issue and we are putting our trust in people that are supposed to represent us in congress we should know the ones that are shooting us straight and repurchase rep Luna so far everybody has shot straight.
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So that's good because now we know that those are the people that aren't going to twist things can't say much for other people but but for them yeah they they told you it's straight on your on your podcast that was pretty cool.
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The next day after the hearing you happen to have birch it i remember i was on a plane i was like you to Andy you should probably ask some questions man you know there there's some fuckery going on.
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And and you did you ask rep birch it the day after the hearing who delivered the macla constellation report because there's a whole process to it and he told you and then your question about why why it was misrepresented man his answer was interesting because he is stuck you know he stuck there's somebody chairing it and you don't want to blow everybody up but he was as baffle des us about why they were shaping.
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Your perception behind the screen the public perception of how that all went down it's like they forgot there were cameras on for like two and a half months following this shit.
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So so i don't know it was weird you tell me what you think maybe is more important than what i think but just to be clear.
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I am noticing that there is a shaping of the emerging uap narrative that they're trying to get you to trust people who are not worthy of your trust so I have to ask why.
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My conclusion is that there are more people coming forward and they want to and when i say they i mean the people that are influenced in congress from forces and individuals and corporations and finances out there.
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side of congress their influence to show you that they are the ones that you should come to.
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And playing the whistle or game is dangerous you know people's lives their whole economics you know they have children they have medical insurance they have clearances.
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So putting any of those people who want to come forward into a position where you tell them to trust certain people who are not trust.
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So what's more important is that the people who are not worthy is highly dangerous in my business where I come from.
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And if people don't really understand that yet that's okay you know i hope whistleblowers that come forward understand that.
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Transparency I think is the key word you use there and regardless what people think or how things were presented.
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So I think that's what it's like to be a documentary or a blog or an article or whatever it might be.
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But in a congressional setting or any political setting live on TV I don't think anyone should be choosing what gets presented and what doesn't get presented.
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So that's that's what it boils down to to me regardless who presented it.
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I suppose I had a little bit of confusion around Shellenburgers place.
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All over here you touched on it with George on the weaponized latest podcast it was about the Q&A which was cool to see that different format.
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This hearing felt different yeah the people at it felt different they didn't seem together there were some there were some good folks they are asking some genuine questions.
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Some I expected to some some less so others.
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I don't know what they were doing there altogether asking questions about pigeons and spy cameras and stuff like that.
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But yeah it just seemed a little bit off and I didn't even had the opinion was that meant to be the original four witnesses.
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Because it felt like Shellenburger was almost a place holder.
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I actually and I don't even know if this is how the US system would work.
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It almost felt like he was a place holder and I sort of expected on the day that his seat would be taken by someone else that would be a bit of a surprise witness.
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That never happened so his place there is especially near after math.
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Seems odd and I don't know if you can kind of follow up on that.
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Yeah I mean I can just tell you the facts and what I experienced.
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It was very odd because I Georgian I were being pressured like okay so they did want us to testify for a long time or they were at least telling us they did.
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What are you going to provide right we're not going to have anybody after it doesn't provide anything so what he got to provide.
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And there are a number of conversations about what we would provide and we didn't ask to testify this was brought to us right.
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But it felt more like an intelligence gathering operation more than anything.
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I'll tell you a fact the moment that I submitted outside of a few trusted congressional members the entire Immaculate Constellation report.
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It was put together by a whistleblower.
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I got dead silence from accountability and oversight.
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I even called my lawyer who's a federal lawyer and I'm like this is really bizarre like I just gave them the goods and I'm not here and anything like all of a sudden there's just radio silence.
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And like yeah this is really weird.
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It was within seven days they made some accusations to me over email and I've kept all the receipts and I'm like no that's that's incorrect.
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I brought the whistleblower in this is at least legitimate information as far as a government employee authored this.
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They have something to say they want protections of being under oath and coming out maybe not this time maybe we'll do it for another hearing if you want first hand whistleblowers.
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But what exactly do you want the second I submitted that information.
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There was a game that was played it was a shuffle they brought in shell murder.
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Okay cool I thought maybe maybe that is appropriate you know he broke the story wrote about it.
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I mean I had been obviously if you watch the show been bringing walking in the whistleblower prior to that but you remember I was excited when there was another journalist that like came forward independently I had never talked to the guy.
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I was pumped I was like finally there's some good journalist that we can trust that are that are on this case too.
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I mean I knew he had been informed to some degree but it was just cool to see it in print.
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But it was right after that moment that the whole thing got shuffled that you didn't have the same people that were being asked prior to represent other people if not you know whistleblowers coming themselves it came together really quick hard and fast right at that last moment.
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So I would agree with you I'm just telling you the facts which is as soon as I delivered the contents you know they went and hand selected somebody to speak on that.
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Which is fine but it did show me manipulation and it did show me lies and it did show me that I couldn't necessarily trust accountability and oversight and that's just the facts I I can't there was so much manipulation when we got closer they also just so you know and the public knows.
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They also wanted to know what George and I would be reporting on for the next year if we have obtained and we were going to release anything.
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Now as journalists that's not something that you you don't show that card you don't show that hand um you do right before you know you give a heads up to the Pentagon you let them know if you've obtained something it was just it felt sinister and it felt orchestrated.
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And when I saw the way that they were manipulating reality I mean look they fabricated congressional record this was kind of like a gift to me and George.
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I'm going to be really clear they fabricated congressional record and if you don't know what I'm talking about it's the 12 pages that whole fiasco I was asked to write an introduction into the whistleblower and why the whistleblower is not going to be there that day and also what it was to contextualize that 11 pages I was asked to do that so I did that.
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When they Nancy Mase held up that thing she says here are the 12 pages my question on Twitter was well where are the 12 pages you only uploaded 11 and right after that somebody put on congressional record a blank 12 page that should be obvious to people if they're invested in keeping a very simple clerical error a very simple lie to you that it wasn't a process I went through.
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With accountability and oversight and with congressional members to get that on the congressional record.
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Then why would they why would they make up this this 12 page I mean you're literally taking a blank page and fabricating it for congressional record to try to eliminate the idea that my entire packet submission to them was 12 pages.
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Why would you do that why would you go to that extent to fabricate congressional record I mean and you tell me.
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Am I being clear that that happened because it did.
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No 100% that that happened.
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One question I've got and you won't tell me who the whistleblower is or the writer of the document the author of the document is all we know is it's a he because you're injured and others have said so enough.
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Is that whistleblower public in any way already.
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No, so they are someone that we don't know about when when they come out we will all go we don't know who that is.
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And look, this is this is a process when dealing with whistleblowers that there are others that have come to me and George for many years we've gone through a vetting process.
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We've gotten to know them.
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This is not just one individual there are others that are ready now when they when they're seeing the way things are being mishandled.
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The second they come forward they blow up their careers no longer will they be in government no longer are they going to have their clearances.
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Which is by the way that's livelihood that's family right that's medical insurance.
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People are going to take that leap they're going to you know they're just at the point where it's just got to happen and these are not people you know yet these will be new voices and they need to speak for themselves.
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You know George and I are reporting on it and I've been a conduit to some degree to get people in to get them vetted within Senate and House.
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But they're they have to stand on their own if they want to make that leap they're going to have to do that on their own and yeah it's it's happening as far as I can tell.
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Good place to bring in a question from one of the listeners here because a listener on Patreon Dan asked.
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How did the incorrect attribute attribution to Shea Lemberger how has that affected the whistleblowers confidence and safety.
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I'm going to I guess it depends who you ask it's a very subtle thing to me it completely destroyed my faith in some of the working group within Congress that it is trying to look we're asking for transparency.
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And then you overtly lie and fabricate congressional record maybe even unknown reasons to me like I don't fully grasp it yet.
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So for me it's put a pause on me walking which I've done a ton not not publicly like you've seen.
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Where I walk one whistleblower in and I tell that whole story I've done that I've done I have sent people in or brought people in to give their testimony behind closed doors a ton.
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That's something that I was fighting for was to have these voices heard.
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So for me it's created a real separation of like wait what are they doing like can I trust this.
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Can people's identities be held private when I do walk them into those scenarios or are they just collecting information like arrows seems to be doing in the past is a absolute counter intelligence bullshit.
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Program like project blue book I call it project blue box because even the guy that runs in NASA as it can't part his hair without authority so it's kind of like people are imprisoned in this legacy architecture system.
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Can I trust bringing whistleblowers in and there's a lot of different methods to do that that I've utilized so for me it has put pause on can I really protect the identities of people where they're not threatened where they're not.
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They don't receive pushback and you know kind of retribution against them coming forward the answer for me is no I can't do that the same way anymore.
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Now for the whistleblowers themselves they're all tracking it like all of them that I know who are thinking about putting their head above the parapet they are deeply tracking.
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That there is a disconnect between reality and what has happened at that last hearing and I think there's some pause and I think it's put them in a little bit of a mode where they realize there's an urgency to come forward and to do so like full throttle because if things can be manipulated on a small level they can be manipulated on a bigger level so that's to the best of my ability to answer that I think you have to hear from some of the people coming forward.
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I do think that the Immaculate Constellation author went to Shellenberger because he was a respected journalist that has fought for transparency and government that's what makes this so ironic that the guy would just sit there and you know take it on not take it on the chin but would just sit there and not correct an error it was it was it was really bizarre.
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So I don't know I think the reason why you first go to people is because you think they're going to be honest have integrity be helpful and support you and they've got a track history of doing that and then I think there are some surprises sometimes when you do shit like this.
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If you can separate the whole circus and situation around the document and what happened what were your thoughts on just the hearings content itself.
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I thought they were pretty good and let me give you a little background on why I thought they're pretty good what people might not have picked up and I've said it a bunch is that there was resistance to having Louis Elizondo testifying.
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I thought really hard for that you see me in my show you know officially being able to ask Louis Elizondo because he's always said he would testify and that's what everybody wanted was Louis Elizondo just has fight under oh and the reason we wanted that and the public wanted that is because it's different like going on a TV show or a podcast and like being under oath and being grilled by Congress.
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So we all wanted to like I wanted people to trust Lou if Lou is trustworthy and I found Lou to be trustworthy. He's told me how it is and over time it's how it is.
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I don't have reason to think that Louis pulling something on the American public but the way to test that is to have someone like Lou test by under oath.
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So I thought really hard to make sure that he had the opportunity if he really wanted to and sure enough he really wanted to I mean he said to me brother I've been ready to do this from the beginning that takes some balls you know because you know there's going to be a lot of scrutiny and people twisting your words.
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So whatever no matter what you think of Lou I think Lou's a great guy I think he's telling you how it is at this time and I think he'll continue doing that.
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I wanted him under oath because I thought the American public deserved to have that and it was a heavy lift and it shouldn't have been at one point when I'm working with accountability and oversight.
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I was like you understand you are doing a disservice I said this verbatim I said you understand you're doing a disservice to the American public if you don't have at least one person who is factually known to have been involved with the American public.
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I'm involved with the UFO topic in government I have given you people to give subpoenas to I've told you who who would come forward willingly who wouldn't and you're you're not 100% going to have Lou test by I'm like that's insane that's totally insane in fact it's a disservice to the American public if you don't do that and I think they were a little bit threatened by that to be honest I mean that was one of the words that was used against me that was like a threat I'm like it's not a threat this is like you're either doing it or you're not doing it.
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You're telling us that you're you know you're going to bring this American public then fucking do it and luckily we had Lou so now the American public can dissect what he said can question him on it and know he was under oath and I think that that was a huge win.
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So I think on that level for the hearing that was great I actually think the guy from NASA Mike was a great witness to I've had more time to talk with him and interview with him and he was involved with big low aerospace back in the day not not the ranch and all that stuff but the actual aerospace company that put up inflatables that attached to the International Space Station and this guy knows it shit.
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So I thought it was pretty cool to have him testify from his position kind of representing NASA.
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I also you know to a high degree I think the panel was well organized what I would have liked is to have had firsthand whistleblowers.
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Yeah the problem is when I tried to supply that there was a lot of resistance and I don't know why like I don't know why you know you come up with your own reasons why but I offered them somebody they could subpoena who would be willingly would show up to testify firsthand and that's a peanut never came.
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So my question is did you really want them did you just want like another hearing later where you got a bunch of firsthand's great let's have it let's have it but it just felt control.
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I felt the content and I said that's at the time was a little bit lacking I think Lou had to testify because that's something that you know for years now it had to happen eventually.
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Tim Gallaudet wonderful position but seems to be limited in terms of what he can provide outside of one base incident he was a part of almost indirectly and that's not to take away from what he can provide going forward and contribute given his knowledge and his rank mic gold I think in theory sounded great and then what we got from mic wasn't maybe necessarily what I hoped for.
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I think that could have partly been down to a lot of the questions put to him and who they were put from and then like I say Michael Shellenberger again highly respected journalist you could have sat a cardboard cut out there you know and you'd have probably got similar and just attached a document to them because he representing someone else's story you know so I don't know if part of that is just the impact that the the grush hearing had and the kind of bombshells and the
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the snippets we got from that and almost as if the hearings happened other way round would I have felt this one had more impact than that I don't know and but I think I was hoping for for more whistleblowers and it reminds me a little bit Jeremy of years ago I used to follow WWF WWE quite religiously and as a young star I paid for a meeting greet and I was hoping to get triple H Chris Jericho Kevin Nash you know the big guy.
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He was a guy at the time and in walked Valvianis Jacqueline Tijiri in the coach now any wrestling fans would know who exactly who I'm talking about and it's no disrespect to them they are superstars but what you hope for and what you got ended up being two different things and I remember the guy behind me had like a wrestling title belt that he was going to get signed and he just quietly put it back in the bag because he was like I don't want these people to sign it right and again that's not a disrespect on what happened it was just a little bit more than that.
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I was more of what we hoped we were going to get and what we got I was also disappointed with a lot of the representatives and what they asked and I think that came across when I spoke to representative Burtch at the next day he was deflated and he almost seemed like it had the win taken out of him with the whole thing clearly things he wanted to say but couldn't and he was very honest to the point of saying that he he doesn't have the influence and power that other right now he was like I don't know what he was saying.
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I think that he was thinking members maybe in Congress do and the financial backing behind those individuals who I imagine one day have delusions of presidency potentially and they're planning five steps ahead so that was really honest of him and I wonder does that mean as Congress even the way to go with this now to get progress is that something someone like yourself is now looking going to put all this work in I've knocked on all these doors literally knocked on the doors.
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And that's as where we are.
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Yes, you're reading the room correctly, you know you got that interview with the representative of Burtch at and if people go back and watch that it was featured in my series because it was happening in real time and the producers were like holy shit he just said the quiet part out loud, you know which is that there is influence outside of Congress that is somehow orchestrating the the emerging UAP narrative shaping it.
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And represented Burtch it was tongue tied you could tell I was amazed how far he went.
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I feel like I don't have to say it people need to pay attention for themselves but that is to my best assessment what you're seeing is outside influence in Congress realizing they can't take back the grudge testified which was a sneak attack they can't take it back that UAP UFOs are real that they're made up.
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That they're made by somebody else is what it appears wherever they're from.
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And now they're trying to shape the narrative to spoon feed the way that they want and there's got to be gain and you got to think about that what would be the gain of propping up like a puppet journalist next to you know a puppet Congress person who is they literally said in the hearing that they were told not to ask certain questions representative Burtch it on your show.
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Said that why you said what was the confusion about this like super easy clerical error about the submission of a document from whistleblower and he brought it up.
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That you got to raise a lot of money and you're beholden to financial powers outside of Congress and the he'd hate to have that job that in fact he thinks he'll never have that job so he was a little deflated with that said we can't throw the baby out with the bath water.
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There is a place for Congress there is a place for helping whistleblowers to come forth through accountability and oversight.
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The organization itself is a good idea the individuals the staffers the people that really run the inside I was told not to trust them in fact i'll tell you something here.
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I was going to bring a first hand whistleblower into me with accountability and oversight prior to the hearing for vetting so that they could be a potential witness and I was warned by certain members not to.
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Meaning they're like you can't trust everybody within that organization and that freaked me out that freaked me out a little bit because accountability and oversight there's supposed to be accountable and have oversight right and hold other people accountable and I being told not to.
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And I being told not to fully trust them look it's I guess it's politics maybe I'm naive you know but there is corruption and politics so where does that leave us everybody like you and me.
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That they want to know the truth about this what where does it leave us I think Congress should keep moving forward and I think we should be very have a have a strict eye on how it is they present information we should get the inside story every time that there's a new hearing whether I.
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Whether I'm involved or not like I'll support it all supported if they fucking tell the truth.
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And if they don't we have to call them out for it but I really think the journalism is our path forward I think citizen journalism and I think just journalism in general that is our path forward you are now inundated bombarded with whistleblowers right people coming forward saying I was a part of crash retrieval and then they tell you this whole other part of the UFO story.
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That they're you know looking through psionics to pull in craft and all that okay cool show us like that's really cool we should hear you out but let's get back to that first part so you say you're part of a crash retrieval program David Grush said that that we do that and now you're saying you're part of it I think a lot of attention should be put on that we should try to unravel the physical tangible hardcore roles that people had in government either keeping the UFO secret.
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Or just participating in recoveries like we should ask more questions about that and then move into the other experiences that's my personal opinion like we need ground truth on those elements.
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No I can appreciate that and just before we head into some less dark questions like I say I'm going to go over a few different areas that we've touched on in a bit more detail with on that but we have.
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We've seen a fragmentation in I think I've got to say I think I've seen a fragmentation in the conversation and the the way forward it seemed a few years ago was all behind maybe one organization and individual I think it was it seemed simple not everyone but most folks were like Louis Lesandos came out you've got to the stars this is pushing things forward.
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And he seems like the guy.
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And since then it seems like now we've gone from a place of having kind of one focal point to having lots of little focal points and we've got the soul foundation we've got Jeremy and George we've got Lou we've got congressional caucus trying to do something they've got whistleblowers now coming out through other journalists at Ross Colter.
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It just seems more fragmented and maybe less connected than it was at one point but I don't know is that necessarily a bad thing and I want your take on that.
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I don't think it's a bad thing I think we need like I can't handle every case like I pass off cases more often than George and I tackle them right.
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Other people are more equipped in different ways to get out some of the information I think it's it's like maybe it's a bad term someone said but divide and conquer you know the idea that we're going to utilize different realms of journalism and different individuals to dig into different stories I think that is so important if one set of journalists is getting every story we can't trust that we need to make sure that.
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whistleblowers and people who are coming forward with this information whether it be visual data or which is George and I have really focused on that but whether it be visual data or individuals I think there's a beauty to the divide and conquer aspect where you have people who are not directly associated digging into the same overall story I know it can be it can feel schizophrenic you know to people but.
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The positive aspect of it is that you you just get so many more minds on these cases now look if history shows us anything there's going to be disinformation there's going to be and it's going to get up there right like that's just part of it if you remember back in your history of the UFO lore you know project blue book did a great job at that is disinforming the American public and stigmatizing the u a p issue UFO issue.
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But you also remember like the mj 12 documents which was legitimate information seeded with a bunch of nonsense and that's I think that's by design that is the way that you protect information is and the way to trace information is that you see good information with nonsense so we're going to see that like don't have any illusion that everything coming your way is going to be solid goal that's going to be up to the public to try to decipher.
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And journalists will try as they report to make sure the nonsense gets tucked away like you know hands off let that go.
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But I think what feels now to be a dispersed attempt to come to terms with the expanse of the u a p issue which is huge.
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I think that's going to coalesce into something a little bit clearer as people come forward who have worked in these programs we know that the J straten who's been you know pretty quiet about it publicly it's not going on a bunch of shows and stuff he came on mine and George is that that was pretty cool.
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But Dr James Lecatsky as well.
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These people that were directly involved I think you're going to hear obviously you're going to hear more from them and I think that's really good because I think those are people with integrity and I think they're going to tell you as much as they can without hurting national security and I think that will fill in some voids.
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We've got that age of disclosure documentary due to premier at south by south west and in mark.
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So I'm guessing by the end of March or April I would hope we see that available publicly.
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It's got a lot of big names in it we hear often documentaries are coming and they'll move the needle that will remain to be seen and I think a lot of that can depend on distribution.
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You can make the greatest UFO document documentary on earth but if 20 people see it on Amazon Prime you know in Botswana then that's not going to move the needle in the US so it needs distribution it needs money it needs marketing behind it you'll know that with with your documentaries and getting on platforms like Netflix ASAP can be a big move as well.
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And I wonder Jay Stratton made a comment within the trailer and we mentioned before we started recording about sound bites and Jay Stratton says it's something I'm going to have to paraphrase him I have seen first hand bodies and I've seen first hand craft he makes the big statement my concern was sound bites was that there's a qualifier before that and the actual full piece and he says something like you know enough to enough what we need going forward.
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As people to say I've seen first hand craft and I've seen that and it's just the way it's been cut so I've been told that isn't the case from someone who has seen the documentary or at least some of the documentary and what's your take on that because that one statement alone for me is a pretty big one for anyone to make let alone a Jay Stratton who more and more and more people say was and is the guy.
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Right yeah no I'm very sharp of you because you know what I see when I use like my last show the way clips are taken out of context when I was talking about the rumor that I heard of 2027 and how concerned I was and look it's the rumor as you know anybody who's followed this it's like 2026 2027 all the way up to 3036 or sorry 2036.
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I was calling out a rumor that I thought was dangerous because I know the origin of that rumor from my investigations for my journalism I was calling bullshit for people saying look this doesn't have the legs that people think but I was taken out of context and then people are just playing these clips where it looks like I'm calling for the end of the world so clips are not context but I also understand that no matter how much you tell it like it is if people want to talk about it.
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I'm going to twist it they're going to twist it. So getting to that clip you're talking about which is in the trailer of age of disclosure.
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I haven't seen the move so I don't know the whole thing but I would have the same thoughts as you you know are we talking about bodies and cryogenic freezers at right Patterson Air Force base are we talking about something you saw in your civilian capacity not officially in the job.
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I don't know like we'll have to see I do know that jay strutten has seemed to be a straight shooter and I appreciate that so I'm not going to pre dispose from a clip that we're going to get like the full on disclosure what's going on because even just somebody's somebody's account is never going to give that to you but I do put trust in the to date somebody that is always going to be in the same way as you do.
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I think that is always been straight with me has been jay strutten and to George nap and you know if that changes we'll tell you you know but that that hasn't changed so what is the anticipation for statement like that in a film like this is coming out.
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I think you got to watch the film.
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I think we all got to watch the film and judge it for ourselves does it move the needle.
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I mean how cool is it you get all these people talking on camera about UFOs I don't even know if James clopper who's in the film if you really says that much but the fact he was willing to be filmed and go and show about UFOs that's a big deal to me that already moves the needle the trailer itself moves the needle because it brings a bunch of questions up to the front that that would be smart enough to ask.
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So I hate it in the UFO world when we're so pessimistic about well that wasn't what I expected I mean I'm guilty of that too with hearing you know like wasn't exactly what I wanted but it was a step forward and I think we need to be patient some of us have been at this longer than others like George has been out this 40 years.
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And I think we have to be patient and we have to be vigilant and we need to call up all shit and we need to follow up we need to follow up on the sound bites.
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So let's get to some listener questions in and then we can kind of riff off the back of those Jeremy lots get sent in so if we don't hear your question it's probably been answered in the body of the interview or someone else asked something similar or I just never got to it because you know email over the clocked up.
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But let's so to summarize I think this is a good one to kick off from K. R. Says so what is the next move with Congress continue to work together for more hearings or work around them due to lack of trust.
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Work with them I think that that's important you never know who's going to be in power and in what you know capacity.
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Congress itself moving this forward has done a lot for knowledge and understanding on the UFO topic so despite the fact that I saw shenanigans and despite the fact that I had to endure some of that which by the way people should be more concerned about this isn't about me this is about us it's about you.
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I don't know if that's clear to people yet but I think over time it will be but I think we need to utilize every piece of armament we have to shake the trees on this subject I am willing to work with Congress I am willing to work with accountability oversight I am just asking for no fuckery I am asking for straight shooting I am absolutely willing to continue to help because there are great people who want to know the truth who are fighting for the truth again.
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I am just asking for the representative of the UNI and I have demonstrated to me that they are willing to push even though it's not great for their personal lives and a lot of ways they are willing to push for it so with Congress not without just keep them accountable.
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What disappointed me and again I spoke to Timbert Shit about this the day after the hearing was I was surprised to hear they still hadn't had grush in that skiff almost 18 months on from that original hearing and I said at the time of the grush hearing I think I say that's about a lot of stuff the importance of it or the legacy of something will be what happens in the future what comes of it regardless of the statements and who makes them in the power of them.
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If nothing happens off the back of it David grush is coming forward is almost for nothing in a way and I imagine that for a straights him what is your take on grush coming out in July 2023 and here we are and as far as we know he's still not been in those skiffs.
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Right so he should speak for himself there there has been some testimony given so he has given you know number of hours of testimony in different formats so I wouldn't claim that nothing has happened from it but again it's not my position to explain that publicly I hope that he will explain what length that he's gone to to convey the information.
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I'm pushed to be able to convey it but I do understand that the basic premise of how they wanted him in the skiff again if this UFO thing is real then some of this stuff is highly sensitive and it should be dealt with in that way.
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So I can't give you more insight to that it's just not it's inappropriate for me to give more insight I think people need to speak for themselves but all is not lost like you know David grush has given plenty of testimony to work with I am a little baffled why some of what he testified to wasn't followed up on yeah.
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It's a little baffling outside of arrow it's not baffling with within arrow I have directly seen a cover up of whistleblower first hand information and lies coming out of arrow under the direction of Sean Karpatrick I have not seen enough evidence to make an assessment from the new director so I don't know everybody's just got to push and see where we go.
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So Mike says as George often says on weapon eyes the closer we get the harder the pushback do you think we're finally getting close or given the pushback is catastrophic disclosure more inevitable.
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Yeah I'm not sure exactly what that term means because what is catastrophic disclosure like you it's your belief system it has all the evidence been proven to you with they're saying catastrophically like meaning whistleblower just come forward and what show you.
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Photos of craft and bodies like.
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What is catastrophic disclosure it's a very cool term and people throw it around but like what is what is it really mean like we're all in this together man like we're going to get somewhere together so.
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The closer you get to the goodies George does say this and he's right the more pushback you get so I have experienced that George has experienced that there are a lot of people that don't want us to report on some of what we've obtained.
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And fuck it we're going to do our best we're going to do our best to do it within the guidelines of journalism in the law and other people hopefully you're going to do the same.
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Um catastrophic disclosure I don't even know what that is man.
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I guess that's based on consensus reality disclosure is and I think people need different things to get to that point.
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I think there's it's very much open to interpretation I've always had catastrophic disclosure and in the others have as well as.
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Disclosure without any control behind it and that for example the government doesn't have any say in what's happening how it's unfolding.
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That catastrophic disclosure could that just be we get UFOs over New York you know all of a sudden mass sighting bang there they are.
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Um something like that or at once so much kind of happens whistleblowers but then you know they open the gates area 51 and you know what I think a good question to follow up on then on that is from Rob he says Jeremy it's a bit lively out there at the moment I don't think Trump can be relied on to help the cause unless it helps him.
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Do you think he was ever in a position to help anyway so what should I take on president Trump now in office things about chaotic state side I I'm watching more of the UK news at the minute to see what's going on state side and it just seems like one thing after another so where does the UFO conversation falling that.
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Right it's a very valid question because there's a lot of promises and a lot of optimism about transparency and government that I've noticed with the new administration.
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But remember we had before you know Bill Clinton trying to get this information for it through a guy named Webster Hubble had him go in and say I want to know who killed JFK and what's up with the UFOs and Webster Hubble did try and Bill Clinton even came out said it wouldn't have been the first time I was lied to as a president.
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And you see the comments by Barack Obama about the UFO thing that they're definitely sadly appears to be a legacy architecture and a legacy control system in place to protect certain conceptual ideas you know about you AP and the origins and what the purposes and the intent and and what we know about them so I would never put my whole hearted trust and faith in the world.
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And I think that's a very important question.
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In the absolute transparency of this issue somebody in your question did say unless it benefited the current president I think that's probably an accurate assessment that's a political way to look at it that if it's helpful like maybe it's helpful to know who killed JFK maybe that is helpful to a president.
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I don't want to know who often often another president right yeah so maybe there's benefit to releasing some of that is their benefit to releasing the UFO information I don't know president Trump was brief to some degree on it I know some of the individuals involved with that.
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But when he answered about the news Jersey drones it was a whitewash it was absolutely ridiculous it was the White House put out an absolutely ridiculous statement about what we were seeing and are seeing not only over New Jersey and critical infrastructure nuclear bases and military armaments overseas.
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Like this has been happening a long time and was a nonsense answer so that gives you a taste of if that's the way it's going for you fellows it ain't going good.
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Yeah imagine Steve said can Jeremy speak to the donor alignment of people like Nancy May so are attempting to steal disclosure is it related to figures like Peter Till can he speak to any figures or groups who the UFO follow a UFO topic following public should be skeptical about related to this.
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I think we should be highly aware that they said in Congress that certain questions were not to be asked I think we should be highly aware of when representative Birchett referenced financial interest in Congress and I think we should be highly aware of the financial influences that are now tied to the UFO.
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To the UFO UAP disclosure movement.
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I won't sit here and say that I fully understand it or that I have conclusions yet but I am tracking it and I think you're the question from your audience member is a very valuable question.
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And the reason I think it is is because if you look at what the motivation would be financially tied to the UFO phenomenon you can just look back in history and you can see that certain craft and materials have been allocated to certain defense contractors and those materials have been exploited for derivative technologies and one that is very popularly known is is Lockheed Martin.
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And we know that because the head of the DIA UFO program Dr James Lakatsky talked about a transfer from the vice president of Lockheed Martin there was supposed to go to us up a DIA program and it was shut down by the head of the CIA to people within the CIA.
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So you have to wonder what is the financial advantage to being able to obtain and hold and exploit these technologies and there's huge financial advantage.
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So I think we should be very aware now not that it's holy bad I mean if we didn't make a lot of progress on these machines in this technology we definitely should pull them out of places and get them better looked at.
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But you got to have motivation to want to position yourself for that for material transfers of these technologies and look you know things are financially motivated you know they are so it's not holy bad but we should track it because I believe that's where we're going to learn a lot if we understand who's trying to pull the puppet strings on who gets these craft.
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George said as much again in the latest weapon I used about you know it's billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer's money is going to these things and actually I was just speaking today to John Blitch and I don't know what Georgia the interview is going to go out and he talked about he's got a book that's going to come out and he's trying to put forward the case that there has to be elements of forgiveness to people in the government people outside the government potentially some of the NHI themselves because into abductions.
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And he talks about even the idea that perhaps there's a case I hope I get this right that you know when you hear about the military charges $3,000 for a toilet seat on board a certain aircraft which is ridiculous but they've potentially come out one day and say for the good of the nation to try and build up the fence he's against certain aspects of what this may be or threats it could pose we have had to find a way to fund that and a way to do it was overcharging on this stuff now.
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That's one way to look at it maybe it was just a money making scheme on behalf of contractors and folks and you know Jeremy your mommy you make toilet seats you know I'm going to give you this contract and put a number on that you know that sheet of paper and but invoice me.
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But that that could make sense I don't know what what should I take on that sort of thinking.
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Yeah that's a complex issue I'm surprised he brought it up it's like front loading you know criminality you're like hey by the way we might have done this and you know we should have some forgiveness I don't think he's holy wrong but what he's talking about is the black budget and early on my days investigating this UFO topic like way before I ever said anything publicly I actually went down to the library of congress and I calculated for a friend the American black budget for that year.
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It was really bizarre went to DC went to library of congress went through the budget line items and they literally said on the sheets of paper like black budget like this is stuff that Congress doesn't even know about so we're talking about laundering money I mean that's what we're doing we're talking about laundering taxpayer money to you to utilize it in different ways now of course there's an argument for that like if we were in the cold war and we were in a in a race for nuclear armament.
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I think Americans would be like I get it that was an expensive toilet seat but really glad you did it because we were really under threat and people didn't really know how bad it was right so that would be the argument for okaying that black budget right but I brought that up with George a couple times wanted to see his perspective and he says of course there should be some reconciliation and there should be some you know basic forgiveness he goes but to
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what degree because George is old school he's seen it happen we watched a certain people have been threatened and penalized for even just speaking to us right like threatening emails from high up all the way down like don't talk to journalists don't talk to these guys so we've seen the the reprisals that have been put on people and George made a good point he goes yeah that makes sense to a degree but where do you draw the line
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and he goes what if somebody has killed somebody to hide this secret we know for sure people have been killed to hide the nuclear secrets and we just accept that right so I think Andy like it's a it's a it's in the it's in the realm of morality now right it comes down to how bad the crime
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you know I can understand keeping certain funds secret so you can work on programs and keep in certain UAP program secret because of the weaponization potential but at some point we're done with that and we just need to say it like it is representative government represents us it's now time to come clean on the UFO thing and I think we're we're close to that closer than we've ever been before that we're fed up with it and and hopefully that has impact
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Josh says a few years ago both Jeremy and George hinted that there were at least four UFO programs can Jeremy elaborate on that any further
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I can't elaborate that any further and I think that's kind of diminishing the truth you know just by focusing on that one statement there are many UFO programs
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I became aware of a certain number of them early on but there are kind of factions of groups think about it this way like if you had a craft and in that craft was writing and was biologics and that kind of thing then you would have whole teams of people you would have linguistics people you'd have just technology based people power and propulsion people people the dealt with biology you'd have anthropologists
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so you could put all of that under one name so definitely there are there's a pyramid here going on with with UFO programs for example we also learned about a macular constellation we haven't had that conversation yet but what what's that program or what is that program now under a different name you know
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and that program was an acquisition program where you would take and siphon off data visual data of our exploitation or sorry not ours other nations exploitation of those technologies as well as just what they call NHI technologies demonstrating things like instantaneous motion like videos of this you would pull them off the servers and co-alate them into a study group that would be a pretty big project right
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so with the UFO programs and why I brought that up you know years before is because I became aware of a certain number that were kind of housed other programs but it's a pyramid it's a trickle down there are numerous UFO related programs based upon what it is that we are analyzing and you could come up with any arbitrary number but there are some core programs for sure.
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A personal highlight for me was when I spoke to George I think back in December I spoke to George about his new series and I asked him a question about we were talking about alien abductions and I asked him had he ever come across any research or programs where aspects of the government and the legacy programs whatever they may be had found a way to bring on abductions and trigger them themselves and is that something you have come across or can talk on.
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You know my I like to stay within what I know to be the case I do believe that George has been exposed to significant amounts of information related to UFO programs that as a journalist not many people have been and I think he is perfectly positioned to talk about that.
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All I can say is I've been exposed to some information and it appears that there is something more to the abduction phenomenon than I first thought I would study it if I was the government I would study the fuck out of that.
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I'm not in a position so sorry let me know I'm not in a position to offer more information on that that I can stand behind but like a lot of people I might expect there to be more information on that.
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That was a big topic of conversation again with John Blitch today around the abduction program and he he very much comes down on the reason for the secrecy isn't the lights in the sky isn't the beings in the craft.
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Because he's like what good reason could you have for that he believes it would have to be the abduction phenomenon and that these craft and entities some of them can take you your children whoever they want at will do what they want and put them back and whether there are agreements are not in place with said governments or factions there's nothing they can do to protect you against that.
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That that would suck you know I have been exposed to some reporting on military observed like implants and stuff like that that have been studied now my ability to put a value on that is is not as good as maybe George nap or people that that actually ran some of these programs that looked at this stuff so I hope they talk for themselves I wonder if people like Dr. column color her would know more about that.
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I think we've had on the show before I believe yeah yeah I don't know I just I am very careful about going into those realms because there seems like a fear aspect to it.
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Look it would suck if the dirty deep secret in the reason why a lot of these legacy program people when I push all the way up to the edge and I say what is so scary what is so dangerous for us that you can't say anymore that you just stop right there.
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And you know when they're like you know don't kick a sleep and dogs don't wake a asleep dog you know it makes you feel like so what is so dangerous what is so scary I would
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guess that the abduction phenomenon if it is what it appears to us to be that that is a terrible terrible frightening thing for for human beings to have to contend with the there are abductions and I would suppose there are abductions I would I would suppose
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that does happen because that has always followed the UFO topic.
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I mean, since the beginning of time of people reporting this,
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the abduction phenomenon goes way back.
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But again, it's so out there for me because I don't have tangible evidence
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or information I can convey, I can tell you I've heard everything there.
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I'll be honest with, you know,
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or I'll be transparent with that,
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which is that I've heard it all, man.
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Now, do I put stalk into that?
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I just don't have enough information.
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Yeah, I think it's one of those.
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It's so speculative and I'm always fascinated to hear people's testimony
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and it ranges from these wonderful,
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almost heavenly like experiences to plumbing the depths of hell,
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what some people go through in these abductions.
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And I almost wonder as an element, again, just speculation,
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and I'll take your comment on it.
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If these beings are doing these abductions almost quietly
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and not to, you know, to brashly because as a lack of knowledge or belief in NHI in general,
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and is it a danger that,
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and I'm trying to think of a supposed thing of the government's point of view here
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or whoever runs these programs,
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imagine it was the case that,
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well, if everyone finds out and the human population now know that NHI exists,
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and we are here, then we don't have to hide anymore.
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And literally on mass, we will come and do this as we please,
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and we will pluck people out their beds,
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or their jobs, their desks in the middle of the day,
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because you know, but while people don't know,
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and while it's blissful ignorance, they go about it quietly.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess I wouldn't pre-worn or want people to be fully aware
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if I was, you know, a species that was like bagging and tagging,
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like antelope for something in a valley,
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I wouldn't go like whisper to the antelope and let them know everything that's going on.
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So I don't know, but what I think we should highlight is that
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as we learn more about the reality of UFOs,
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like the machines themselves,
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we'll start asking about operators or pilots of those machines.
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Then we'll start asking about agenda,
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then we'll start asking about all the things in UFO lore that have collided with sightings,
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and one that is we are incapable of getting around if you listen to people
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is the abduction phenomenon.
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Something I've recently started thinking about,
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and I'll really have to try and, you know, qualify it and write it down,
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because I'm not eloquent enough.
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I've said that before to, to kind of spitball these things,
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but is quantity of craft,
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and I don't mean, you know, Bob Lazar says we have recovered nine in a hangar.
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I mean, how many of these active craft are there?
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Because if they can manipulate space time, you know,
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whatever, travel incredible speeds,
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you could essentially have a handful of craft operating it at any one time in the globe,
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you know, in the single digits,
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but people think there's thousands, there could be thousands of sightings of the same five craft.
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So is it that we have loads of these things visiting,
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or actually it's quite a small number,
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but that's a very hard one to pin down.
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It is, I would suggest that at any given time,
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we have enough activity going on consecutively,
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like just the 2019 events that George and I talked about,
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you had 14 on radar at one time.
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There were a lot more.
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I don't think that it's a matter of very few craft.
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I think that there are a lot of craft, a lot of the time.
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That's at least what the evidence shows me.
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I had a very dramatic friend back in the day before he died.
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His name was John Lear, the godfather of conspiracy,
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and you know, kind of filmed with him for many years.
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I'm not sitting here saying what he told you was true,
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but some of what he discovered was true.
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He had this very dramatic thing he'd say to me,
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and he'd be like, Jeremy,
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if you could see at any given time all the craft in our sky,
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the sky would be black.
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His standpoint was we have so much happening all the time
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and that they can cloak that we're not seeing them.
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My question to that is, look,
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it takes us like one tiny little satellite
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to map the entire surface of the moon in a week,
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right, that the number of craft and the varied looks
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of these craft that are reported,
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it just doesn't add up.
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There's something else going on to have these many shapes
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and this much activity.
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So I don't know what the purpose would be
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to having so many different craft
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when we can go map the moon with a single orbiter
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in a very short amount of time.
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So I don't know the answer to it.
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I would suspect though that there has been both
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an increase of frequency
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and there has been better imaging technology
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to pick these things up.
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Maybe it's been the case, there's always been
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so much craft when we're just seeing them more,
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but I think there's two things going on at one time
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and why I don't know.
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Before we talk about whistleblowers again
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because a lot of the questions focused on that situation,
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you did mention the whole 2027 craft heading toward
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everything and you mentioned clips can be taken
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I got a lot of questions about that clip.
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A lot of them were who's coming up with this,
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is there a ship heading towards us,
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Can you just clear up what it was you said,
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the context behind it so people are clear
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and we can kind of go from there?
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Yeah, thank you for the opportunity to do so.
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But I'm not sure it will clean anything up
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because people seem to want to portray
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what I said in their own way.
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I think if you watch it, you'll understand.
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I was again saying the quiet part out loud.
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I don't need to tell you anything about those dates.
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Every UFO person has gotten texts
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or they have heard it or they've been told it.
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And I shouldn't have to clean anything up.
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What I was saying is that I have heard that
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repeatedly over and over that I have rooted it down to its origin.
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And I know that there is a document from the 70s
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that gave that idea to people.
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And that it was not enough information.
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That I thought from what I looked at when I was exposed to
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that that is something that people are portraying
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as oh, something's coming.
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Now look, I could be wrong,
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but in my show and what a thing to be wrong about.
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But in my show, what I did was I said,
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hey, I am concerned about this.
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I am concerned you are all coming to me
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telling me you've been told about this.
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This is something in the zeitgeist of the UFO
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public that I thought was very dangerous.
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I thought, you know, we've all heard about
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what is it, project blue beam and all that stuff about a fake unit invasion.
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And so it was just, it was so on the pulse of what I've heard
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in our popular understanding of the UFO thing.
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And it was increasing, increasing, getting louder.
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I was calling it out.
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And I was saying, I don't trust it.
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I think it's bullshit.
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And I just wanted to say that so that people could hear my perspective on it.
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But that very quickly got turned into me saying,
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we're going to have a fake craft coming and all this stuff.
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And that's not what I was saying.
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I was saying, beware of people telling you that.
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Beware of that general concept that I think it's bullshit,
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So do you think in general then?
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And thanks for clearing that up.
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That we're in a time with things being so full on.
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With so much information being thrown at us all constantly,
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we're going to get a lot of, as this information,
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I think that's a lazy term sometimes.
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But we're going to get a lot of things thrown at us deliberately
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just to muddy the water.
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That's what I've kind of tried to raise the alarm about
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is that as you get flooded,
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George says something like flooding the zone.
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Like it's some term for football or something.
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I don't watch football, but flooding the zone.
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The idea that we're getting so much information
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abarded that people are going to take advantage of that.
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And you're going to have a lot of kind of false profits
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with this stuff, right?
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People that take credit for things that they didn't do,
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you know, as if they're influencing this.
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Look, the other thing, man,
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it brings in so many huge feelings
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about the nature of reality and about what's going on.
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I do believe that we need to be on guard
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for false and bad information coming forward.
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I get all the time seated with stuff
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that people want to just use my mouth for,
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you know, maybe to cut me down later
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and say he was wrong.
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You know, a new splash.
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I'm wrong all the time.
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Ask my wife, you know,
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but I do try to get information
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and specifically people
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in an absolutely intense and doggy way
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before I bring them forward.
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A good place to ask you then about Anna Polina Luna
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has just tweaked that.
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She's got a big announcement coming next week.
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Yeah, folks in the UFO community
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have latched onto this and went,
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it's UFO related, it's UAP related.
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Someone did ask her and Jared Moskowitz replied
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saying, your war mish.
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Now that to me doesn't leak of it's UFO UAP related,
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but that could be something along
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and a good place to bring up that whole FBI working group
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situation getting outed and people being sacked.
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It could just be something around intelligence services.
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but ask, have you heard much about this
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and do you know if it is indeed UFO related?
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Yeah, so I would, I would,
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what I'll say is that I can imagine
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that it's transparency related,
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but I don't know for sure.
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Of course, I've heard from people
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what the thing's going on.
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but I declined to like just find out from her.
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I think that she should just speak for herself.
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I'm like, everybody can wait a week.
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It's probably just, you know, about transparency.
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It will apply to the UFO thing if it is.
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If there's some sort of executive order
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dealing with transparency with the intelligence agencies,
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that's a fucking win.
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So I'm assuming it's that I don't directly know
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and I don't feel like asking.
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And that's my kind of thoughts as well
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with it that people have just looked at the statement when,
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oh, you must be UFO related.
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And when there's a war coming out.
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Yeah, yeah, I think it will probably be transparency days
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that I'm not a fortune teller though.
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And people will soon enough.
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Perhaps after this goes out,
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perhaps before it, who knows?
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So on the whistleblower stuff then,
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this has been obviously the year of the whistleblower currently.
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It was almost the end of last year
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if you had got the chance to get that whistleblower sat down in Congress.
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it maybe wasn't for that hearing anyway.
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Perhaps it was for an X-tearing,
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depending on how things play out.
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So a lot of questions on whistleblowers.
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did Jeremy know about Jake Barber?
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why didn't you break his story first
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or mention his story previous to him coming out?
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So of course, I think in this small circle as a journalism,
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I did hear about Jake Barber.
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I didn't, you know, he didn't come to me with the information
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and it was also something that
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as I kind of saw it percolating,
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I knew it was in good hands.
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You can't do every story,
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like I think that would be very weird.
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so I wasn't given the opportunity to jump into that story.
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I think there are other people better suited for that story.
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maybe people don't understand this.
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A lot of people come to me in George.
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George and I are unable to do sufficient amount
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of background on somebody to be able to stand behind them.
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So people that are public now,
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absolutely came to me and George early on.
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We didn't have enough to say,
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we can get behind this.
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Like with David Grasch, we could.
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We had about a year and,
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I mean, he came to my home.
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I talked to other people he worked with.
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We were able to vet that information
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to the point where I would sit behind him in Congress
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and fight to get him to testify
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because I had had sufficient time and experience
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to trust that information.
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So what I think people,
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the disconnect is people don't understand
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that a lot of the individuals that will come to us,
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we sometimes spend a year or so
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and then kind of hand off some of the information
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And other journalists do that with us too.
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You're better qualified to look into this.
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You have better sources.
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They're going to help you with that.
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And so I think that's kind of teamwork.
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That's like working together.
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Even if you're not working together on a case.
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So the Jake Barber story and account
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and what he did from what I hear,
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it's on solid ground.
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But it was never something that I was given the opportunity
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to really dive into and assess for myself.
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But now I'm assessing it.
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Now I get to see it like you guys and find out.
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Yeah, it's not that you're all sat in a room yourself.
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George Ross Kool-Tart, Michael Shea-Lenberger
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and whoever answers the phone first gets a story.
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That's not how these things work.
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And I think with some blowers,
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I think with some blowers also,
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there are certain people you know you can trust to a degree.
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So you might reach out for advice,
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not to break your story.
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Like first thing I tell people is,
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If you're looking to be on TV in a movie
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or for me to break your story,
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then go somewhere else.
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Like I'd love to hear what you have to say.
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But that's not the starting point.
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The starting point is,
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What do you have to say?
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Why are you calling?
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And then if I can say,
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hey, this journalist might be better positioned
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to unravel some of the stuff within your account
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than absolutely will pass it over to other people.
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Sometimes it just stops dead in the water
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because there's nothing anybody can ever do
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to verify their claims.
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So on that, did you,
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I'm sure you've seen the egg video
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from the Jake Barber segment, 12-second clip.
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What was your thoughts on that piece of footage?
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My thought, I'm not a video analyst.
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crash retrievals are real.
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I do know that crash retrieval of unknown origin are real.
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I mean, I personally know that.
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Like I have enough evidence from my work.
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And that I do know that there is,
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multiple programs to retrieve
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what they believe are NHI,
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non-human intelligence may crap.
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So why wouldn't that be one?
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But that's as far as I got, right?
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I think what people need to now
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do is talk with the people that brought the story forward,
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talk with the people who directly brought the footage forward,
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and look for origin of that footage
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and try to understand it better.
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So yeah, I'm like you.
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Like I'm with you on it.
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I don't have any special knowledge on that.
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I just hope we get to the bottom of that.
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You're assuming I don't have special knowledge on it.
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Yeah, turn the tables here.
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Yeah, let's transparency.
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But is there an element of
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and all these different
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Whatever you want to call it,
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that people maybe have to reset expectations
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and what it's going to look like.
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Because I think for a lot of people
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there are elements to
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if we just take the barber story and isolation,
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it's one thing to have this guy come forward.
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Incredible background, as you would expect.
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You know, the CVs glittering
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and he says I was retrieving UFOs essentially.
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You get a little bit of footage of something similar.
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We're not seeing it was Jake who was part of that footage.
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It was a separate piece of footage.
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But then the story and the same breath evolves into
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overcome with emotions
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and like a feminine god-like energy.
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and a lot of folks can't get their heads round that yet.
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But do we maybe just have to take a step back
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and do you feel you have to do that yourself
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even with what you know
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and go, maybe this is genuine.
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How do you how do you work with that?
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Yeah, I don't dismiss it outright.
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I don't go around and you know,
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do how can you do a deep investigation
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on a part of that right?
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Like that's up to the people telling you.
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I know that people have validated
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a Jake Barber's background.
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I have no reason to doubt that he did crash with tree voles.
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I think we should pay attention to what he has to say.
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And even if it's outside of our scope of comfort,
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I think we should pay attention to it.
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It doesn't mean you have to, you know,
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just accept it all like everything needs rigor.
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But I do think we need to adjust a little bit.
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If this UFO thing is that weird,
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if it just to me, it's weird.
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If it is that weird, then we do need to recalibrate.
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I will tell you this, ma'am, this is not a new concept.
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I know a lot of people want like disclosure right now
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and I'm so allergic to that term
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because maybe it's just from being in this field for a while.
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I don't really know what that means.
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So like what is disclosure?
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Is it just the government telling you UFOs
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real they've already done that?
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Like where does that end?
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Like is it the president coming out
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and showing you a spacecraft and putting it,
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what's the show me state, Missouri?
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Putting a UFO in Missouri, right?
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On display where everybody could take their flame throwers
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and torches and you know, hammers
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and try to dent this thing.
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Like what is disclosure?
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I don't know what that is for each person.
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And I do know that if,
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even if you're just looking at something scientifically,
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just because something is weird doesn't mean
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you can dismiss it, you need to look at it.
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So yeah, I think we all need to have an open mind
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but not let our marbles fall out.
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Just because one thing is true doesn't make another thing true
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and we need to look at it.
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I don't know if that's helpful.
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Yeah, absolutely not as,
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and let's get to some other questions here.
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These can have fallen to that.
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I'm not sure what category to put them in.
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here's right out of left field,
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has Jeremy ever seen a ghost
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and what does he think of the Sasquatch phenomenon?
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I don't have a lot of knowledge on kind of that thing.
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Have I ever seen a ghost?
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Not to my knowledge, no.
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So I've kind of been focused on UFOs.
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I mean, I find those other realms fascinating.
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Some people say they intertwine, you know?
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And if you look at things like Skinwalker Ranch
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and where there's actual like, you know,
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scientists seeing, claiming to see things come out of port holes,
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like then that would be that crossover.
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I'm filled up just with UFOs, hardware, whistleblowers.
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I'm filled up already.
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I'm not dismissing it.
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I just haven't embraced it with my own studies.
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Did you see Tom Delong's Monsters in California movie?
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I did, but I got a bad recall for movies.
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I remember renting it.
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Matter of fact, yeah.
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That covers a lot of phenomena all in one film.
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Even the big foot and a cave comes out at one point.
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OK, I got to rewatch it.
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Dub says, would Jeremy agree that UFO,
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UAP commentators are all on different camps?
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They don't openly disrespect each other,
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but they have different agendas,
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different ideas on the school jar.
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I'm with Jeremy and George on this topic.
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Are people in different camps like, no,
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we're all working towards the same goal.
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I think there is in journalism,
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the old school mentality is there is competition for sure.
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You know, everybody wants to kind of, you know,
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see how much they can push the boundaries of getting scoops
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and that kind of thing.
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Man, I've broken up stories in my life.
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And I know George NAP has for sure.
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At this point for me, it's about working together.
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That doesn't mean you got to go on every news show
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and be like, that other journalist is amazing.
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Like, you know, that's not really your job.
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Like your job is just to try to uncover this
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and bring stuff forward and report the news as you know it.
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So I want to back up from that question and say,
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I think there's a misunderstanding.
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I don't think these are separate camps.
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I think we're all fighting towards a similar goal.
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Now, of course, some people are more sensitive than others,
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you know, when it comes to how they're trying to,
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trying to do this, I've had to drop that sensitivity
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to a high degree because anytime you're reporting on this,
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you're gonna have slings and arrows coming at you.
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And I think that's a mistake too,
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is to feel good by what other people think about you,
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just as you'd feel bad about the way other people think
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about you and your reporting.
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You just got to do what you think is right.
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We're not in separate camps, that's an illusion.
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We're all together whether or not people hugging out or not.
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Yeah, I've always said that with the podcast stuff.
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At any time listeners come in and if you get a guest
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on first after a big story or, you know,
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let's just say Louisla's on those book comes out,
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whether you are the first or 50th interview,
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it doesn't really matter because if you're the 50th,
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you've got 49 other interviews to dig into,
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get a gold mine of information and follow up on.
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But you know what, if you're the first,
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yep, you're the first person to ask the initial questions.
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The snow is white, there's no footprints,
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but you can make the most of them
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or where you are in these.
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And I've never felt that either
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that there has to be competition.
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You should just make yourself as kind of good as you can.
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Yeah, I do think there's value in sometimes reminding people
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of the history of interviews.
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So I do think when you do something and you work part of it
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and you get somebody there first,
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I think it's important to remind people
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because then they can see that originating information
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and then how it evolves or devolves.
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So there is important,
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there is importance in acknowledging the first time
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that somebody speaks out and what they say
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and watching how that evolves or devolves based on that.
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But yeah, man, I love the way you're thinking
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because when you do your show,
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you do have the depth of information
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if you're getting somebody after they've done a bunch of interviews.
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I think it's a really smart way to look at it.
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Yeah, not that if someone wants to come on here
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and say to Joe Rogan first, I wouldn't accept that.
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That's absolutely fine.
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But I imagine they're going on two million downloads
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in episode Joe Rogan first.
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Right, but it's totally different.
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Joe doesn't necessarily have somebody
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who's speaking out first on his show.
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Right? Like he'll wait to see what evolves
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so that you can have a conversation
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that is really well-rounded.
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And I think that's really smart.
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So yeah, absolutely.
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Jamie asks, has Jeremy tried remote viewing CE5
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or guided meditation enough
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so what's he found the most effective?
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Yeah, so I'm not the best candidate
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for being somebody you should look to for that information
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because I'm just like not maybe psychically connected
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to those types of things I don't know.
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But I've documented other people doing it for a long time.
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I actually never put out that footage,
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but one of my first films that I put together,
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I haven't put it out because it's still evolving.
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It was called Looking Up.
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And it was about this group of people
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who were friends of mine that were laughing at me
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because I told them, hey, I'm following this guy.
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Every time he's this, he's a whatever.
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He doesn't have a house or whatever, right?
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But he would look into the sky
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and tell me something's coming
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and then sure enough, I'm filming and something appears.
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And I thought it was really weird.
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So I was trying to document that.
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I was telling some of my friends about it.
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They would just laugh at me.
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I'm like, look, man, I'm following the evidence
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Here's the guy saying he can do it.
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Here's the thing in the sky.
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And I show them the footage.
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Again, it's never like a craft,
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like the most beautiful things.
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I was very skeptical.
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What was this guy seeing?
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But I thought that was a story too.
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But that was back in like 2011.
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So I kind of followed that along the way
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and sure enough, some of my friends
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who were laughing at it
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had these really profound experiences.
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And to this day, they will tell you
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there is something to this.
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And it has been very impressive to them.
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And I have witnessed some of that.
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There may very well be a very strong connection
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between human consciousness
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and what we perceive as UFOs.
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I am not an authority on it.
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I'm not even good at it.
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But there are other people who I think
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would be better suited to tell you what to do.
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But from my experience,
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it was just like asking to see something and being calm.
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And some of these individuals
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have documented some pretty wild things
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in the sky after that.
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Last couple of questions.
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And then I can let you go, Jeremy.
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Someone's literally called themselves
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purple burglar, knowing full well,
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Scottish people can't say that.
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That's not happening.
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The first question is, do you know
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what those drones over the US actually were?
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What I do know is that you're being lied to,
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straight up from the White House.
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Because, and let me qualify that.
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A lot of people who were participating
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in the defense of critical infrastructure,
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I won't call them sources, call them contacts, right?
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They're not giving me anything.
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We're breaking it down for me.
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There were these communications between the FAA
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and these defense locations.
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The FAA had no idea.
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The FAA had no idea where these were coming from.
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To the point where they put up restricted flying zones
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because they did not authorize these flights.
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So I know you're being lied to by the White House
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or somebody gave them that information
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and they're repeating it.
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That's possible too, don't know.
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But there were events surrounding
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these critical infrastructure sites
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that dealt with absolutely bizarre shaped UAP coming up
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out of the water, on camera, documented on fleer
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and hovering over these bases.
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You can take that to the bank
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and those were not craft like you know them.
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So I don't know exactly what was going on
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over the New Jersey skies.
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And I know for a fact it wasn't just New Jersey skies
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and that this is something that's been going on for a long time
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and that it is important for us to find out more.
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But I don't know ground truth on that.
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I just know you're being lied to.
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What stood out to me was it ran over two administrations.
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So people kicked off at Biden
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for not coming out and doing anything.
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People are now disappointed.
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Trump has come out with the white washing of it.
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And that just says to me that there is something else,
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someone else in the background
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making these calls, making these decisions,
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giving this information to say here's what it is.
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And let's be fair, if they go to Trump and say
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this is what it was, what does he do with that?
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He can't say, well, no, it isn't.
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So he's going to have to run with that
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and his advisors will have to run with that, won't he?
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Yeah, I mean, I guess he could dig in more
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and say, wait a second, that makes zero sense.
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So I'm not just going to repeat that
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or have my aid repeat that.
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I'm going to dig in.
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You'd hope that's what's happened.
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I mean, especially because certain presidents
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have come forward and said they've been lied to
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about the Oval Phenomena.
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You would hope that.
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Maybe that story isn't over yet though.
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I would hope they would dig in
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because it's absolutely nonsensical and bullshit.
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And a second question from that listener,
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I'm not saying the name again.
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At what point would we need to be at for you
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to consider dropping hard disclosure?
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And I think you'll know what they're getting at there.
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Basically everything you know,
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complete stagnation from the government.
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World War Three, what would it be?
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So it's making an assumption, right?
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That question's making an assumption
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that I have somehow with George obtained
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anything that would cause that reaction, right?
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To be, that's hard disclosure, case closed.
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That's just not true.
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I'm still vetting information.
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If you watched the show that I put out, I do.
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I sit on a lot of information, but not idly.
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Because I have found over time some of it
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that has come our way that we've been exposed to
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was incorrect information.
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Some of it was fabricated.
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Some of it was good, but it also puts individuals
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who have informed us in awkward positions
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that are not worth, you know, breaching that trust.
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Sometimes people just show us, tell us,
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supply us information.
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With the express understanding,
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this is for our knowledge
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and to help us move forward and ask better questions.
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So I don't think I'm in the position
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that people think I'm in, that if I
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drop everything I have, that it would really do
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what they're thinking or allegedly have, right?
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What I've been exposed to or have access to.
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If I was able to somehow magically put all of that out,
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all at once, would it really be a benefit
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to this conversation or would it be a distraction?
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I hope that by the time George and I ever put anything out
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that we have done our due diligence to the point
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where we are 100% rock solid.
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And we've tried every time to do that.
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You know, hit or miss, that's our attempt moving forward.
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Will you see more from us in our reporting?
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I certainly hope so.
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I certainly hope so.
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But people also have to understand
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there are traps that are set for journalists these days.
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And you can have really good information,
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but the intent of getting that to you
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is so that you can be controlled or stopped later.
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That's a, that's a prior catch.
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One of the big ones for me on that sort of question.
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And I know it's, it's common for people to ask
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that or want to know what, big journalist, big UFO journalist
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know was when Ross Colt Hart mentioned about, you know,
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the, a UFO so big, they built a building over it.
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And he, he said it doesn't matter if I give you the location
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because one, it's a, it's a working building
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and people go there for employment, et cetera.
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But let's say a journalist like yourself did come out
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and say, I know where a UFO is literally a building's
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If we all went there, what you're going to do?
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It's not as if it's literally a box over a craft.
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It's likely underground and has multiple layers
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It could be a factory building, you know, Teslas or,
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you know, Tura Tesla fan, you know,
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you've got the cyber truck, it could be a factory like that.
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But none of the folks there even know what's underneath.
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So you don't know, you can't just go digging.
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And I think people have this idea that there are journalists
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or even, would it matter if Luelessondo spilled everything
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he knew on the news tonight live?
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Would that cause disclosure?
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It's a great example.
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You know, that's a, that's a great example.
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When you've worked in this field long enough
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and you have spoken directly, and you probably know this
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from your work, Andy, like you talk directly with people
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even off record, you hear all of these things.
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You hear them for years.
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You start to shape your understanding, right,
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based on the reliability of the sources.
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But what is that, what is that going to do?
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I think Ross is right in saying that.
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Like, what is that going to do?
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Is that going to help anybody?
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Maybe if you give that information to groups like Arrow,
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if they were working in good faith, that would have been a good thing.
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I know for sure they're aware of that location.
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I know who they talked with.
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I know that they would have been told that information.
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And I can go find out if they were told that information.
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So that would be a beneficial use if we're all trying
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to uncover this is putting that in through proper realms,
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telling everybody on planet Earth where one of these alleged craft
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are that so big you can't even get to it.
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I don't think that's going to do anything except cause chaos.
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But that's not up to me.
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If I was reporting on that, then it would be up to me.
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But I'm not reporting on that.
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I learned early on that even when someone does tell you
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something off record, like you say,
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you don't know if it's true.
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If it's second, third, fourth hand information,
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and you can only end up looking silly.
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Well, not even looking silly.
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Like, you could go on a wrong track for a long amount of time.
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So anytime somebody's told me these prophetic UFO things,
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I'm like, cool, where'd you see that?
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Where'd you hear that?
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I dug in, dug in, dug in.
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And there just wasn't meat on the bone
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in the way people were portraying it.
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So I'm like, well, let's back up a second here.
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So yeah, everybody's got to do that on their own.
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And the final question from Kaden,
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I think it's a nice one to end on.
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He says, Jeremy, things seem to have gotten very serious
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and complicated with the way the UFO conversation is advancing
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with Congress and our officials.
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It seems like certain individuals are setting themselves
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up to benefit all while further concealing the truth.
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With all of this shady behavior and obfuscation,
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what is it that keeps you going?
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And what do you still find most rewarding about your job?
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Well, that's a very cool question.
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I do agree that there's a lot of positioning.
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My joke is all the King's horses, all the King's men
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are shaping the UAP narrative again.
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I have to report that to you.
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Is it a big problem?
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But what motivates me is the same thing
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I think that has always motivated me about this.
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I find this topic fascinating.
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Whatever the core truth is, even if it's small,
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even if it's easily explained with very basic building
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blocks, the idea of what UFOs represent to human beings,
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I love working with George on these cases.
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I love talking to whistleblowers who have something to tell
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to me, even if I can't report on it.
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I love obtaining and sometimes being
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able to release some of the information that comes my way,
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which is a very small percentage.
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I think it's like the hunt, man.
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I'm hungry for ground truth on the UFO thing.
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Even after all this time, I don't have the answers,
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but I got better questions.
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And I think with better questions, we're more dangerous.
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To the truth, to the status quo.
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So that is what motivates me to this day
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is that I have fun doing this.
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And I like learning.
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And I like coming to better questions.
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That is why I love this.
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And I think that comes across in your relationship
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with George as well when you do weaponize.
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I know you don't always get together on a regular basis
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because you're both taken away and then converged again.
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But I've enjoyed that show.
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It helps a lot and puts things in context
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and provides a lot of extra information.
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So I appreciate that.
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And I know a lot of listeners out there do as well.
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And I just want to ask Jeremy to finish off,
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what are you working on at the moment?
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And when will we maybe next see the kind of fruits
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of your labor, shall we say?
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Yeah, I think George and I are dedicated
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to doing the best episodes of weaponize we can
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to break whatever news that we have.
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I think you'll see hopefully you'll be seeing people coming
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forward to speak for themselves, bringing clarity
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to some of what you saw in 2024.
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Hopefully with the macadet constellation,
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I think that is an important story for the UFO world
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to really grasp the contents of that information.
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But again, people need to speak for themselves.
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I do hope that we'll get to the point in our vetting process
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that more footage can come forward publicly
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that we deem important, that we feel is important.
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So that's a process, a legal process as well.
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Like I need to legally check everything as I go.
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Just fighting, more the same.
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I'm never going to make a prediction, dude.
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Just never going to do it.
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Life is so complicated, so messy.
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We're so messy, you know.
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But we do know it will be Hyden and so we'll leave it there, Jeremy.
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It'll be it'll be 12, and we know that.
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Yeah, yeah, always Hyden, always Hyden.
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It's a great, it's just a great time.
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It wasn't a tick-tax and not quite a sauce or more like a hot pep design.
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My gels are a little broiled and coiled with steam porn
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like a Dallasus type ice with a pork minifit.
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The little flakker hyperbite is out of it.
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When I shut out the screen, he made a denish.
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But I don't think he got back to me to see his ass,
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but I'd had some champagne and smoke to the floor.
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