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G'day and welcome to reality check. So you've seen the full news nation special investigation
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hunting UFOs where we detailed the allegations of a first hand whistleblower for the very first time
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telling the inside story of the retrieval of non-human craft. I know it's an extraordinary
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allegation to make, and there's millions of armchair experts out there who think they know everything
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about this story. Well, today for the first time, the bloke who told that story to me on news
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nation is telling his full account, the full interview for the first time. Jacob Barber is a guy I first met
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two years ago, and he's not used to the limelight. He's fundamentally somebody who's been trained
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in intelligence. He's been trained in how to operate in the covert world. And the only reason he's
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going over it is because he thinks you, the public, have a right to know about the illegal and
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criminal and improper things that he believes are going on inside what he calls the program.
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But be aware that I think as George Herbert once said, the life of a spy is to know not be known.
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It's difficult for any person to make the decision to step out into the limelight, let alone the
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excoriating glare of many hostile people who are looking for any excuse to pull Jake down from
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his pedestal. And the interesting thing is he wants to be investigated. He wants the government,
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the Congress, to tackle this story and begin the slow exposition of what he knows.
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And it's a difficult story, I think, for a lot of people to grasp, because the scale of it and
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the implications of it are immense. Not only does it mean that there is a non-human intelligence
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that's been engaging with this planet, in contrary to what the Pentagon says, we've known about it
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for decades. It also means, of course, that the government or sections of the government have been
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lying to us and continue to lie to us. And that's an egregious breach of public faith. And at some
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stage, there is going to be a reckoning. But ultimately, the big decision now for Congress and for
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the new Trump administration is whether they take the allegations of Jacob Barber seriously.
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So he wants, and we've always intended, for his full story to be told. So here today, for the very
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first time, is the full interview with Jake Barber, a great and loyal American who wants you to know
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the truth. Hey Ross, my name is Jacob Barber. And for the last 30 years, I've worked for the US
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government and its private partners in both an official capacity as an enlisted man in the United
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States Air Force, and an unofficial capacity for the broader intelligence community as a contractor.
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Over the last three decades, my work has been very diverse and has included the recovery of
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downed UAP of non-human origin. I am pleased to share that as of a couple weeks ago, I have
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fulfilled a promise to our friend, David Grush, by getting myself into a skiff with Congress,
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and I have provided top secret SEI testimony on the subject matter of UAP.
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With this behind us, I'm pleased to be at a place where I can share information with the public.
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The type of information I can share will be limited by my adopt service restrictions,
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and personal restrictions I have set in order to protect the privacy and quality of life of my
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friends, family, and colleagues. So with that, let's talk. So Jake, you've just made
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an historic revelation that we are not alone. How did it feel? It felt pretty good actually.
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Get that off my chest. You've lived with this secret for how long? You could say more than a decade.
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So let's roll back. Let's tell the story of Jake Baba.
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You say you were an enlisted man, and then you ended up working for the intelligence community
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as a contractor. Tell me that story. How did that happen? Well, in high school, I was 17 years old.
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I was a prospected into a program, an enlistment program. It was a guaranteed enlistment or guaranteed
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training enlistment program contract for a specific career field at the time called Combat Control.
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Career field is still called that. The contract was unique at the time. It was a 10-year commitment
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to Air Force Special Operations. I finished my screening for that program in September of 1994,
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I shipped off to Air Force Basic Training upon completion of that. I went to a place known as
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Operating Location Hotel. This was Air Force Special Operations Selection. I completed
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Selection roughly four months later and then entered into what is known as the pipeline. The pipeline
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is approximately a two-year specialized training schedule where you go to a number of schools.
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At a certain point in my pipeline, I was approached by some individuals who had a discussion with me
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and convinced me it might be a good idea to consider becoming an airplane mechanic.
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Was that to be your cover? Yes. Yes. Because I noticed your DD214, which is your release
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discharge document from the US Air Force, which you've provided us. It says you're an aerospace
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mechanic. I was. I was a mechanic. I spent a lot of time on the flight line at Pope Air Force Base
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and an obscure maintenance shop known as the Dash 21 Dual Rail Shop. I spent a lot of time there.
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I mean, my cover capacity. When I worked hard. You're constrained very heavily aren't you by what's
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called a Defence Office Pre-Publication Security Review. Correct. And that's called Adopsa for sure.
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Yes. And if you accidentally or deliberately reveal information that they've told you that you're
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not allowed to reveal, you can go to jail for the rest of the year. That is correct.
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Yeah. They've created quite a land mind of words to avoid. So there are certain agency names,
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certain designations in the military that you're not allowed to reveal or use. Yes. And for good reason.
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Let me clarify something though. You were trained as a top special operation soldier. Upon completing that,
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I was given orders to Pope Air Force Base where I spent a lot of time actually working in a
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maintenance capacity in an obscure maintenance shop known as the Dash 21 Dual Rail Shop.
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My time outside of that was spent at any number of clubs you could say. I was a member of many clubs
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where I got an opportunity to do a lot of interesting training. You were given extensive
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special operations training. I trained in things like survival. I was in parachute club. I was in
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scuba club. I was in weapons club. I was in pilot club. I even was in Spanish club. I was in
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entrepreneur club, paramedic club. So they were fully training you for whatever that COVID role
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was going to be. Nobody was training me. I was there on my own free will out of my own interest
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and trained in a number of clubs. A mechanic? But you were training yourself in a whole range of
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different skills. I noticed your DD214 document. It actually shows that you've got a sharp shooter's
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achievement. Yes. How many mechanics have a sharp shooter's achievement? Not many. I will say that
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the standard for marksmanship in the Air Force is pretty low. But I did qualify as expert marksman
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in a number of small arms. You've also noticed you're able to talk about the fact that you earned a
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commendation for the use of combat medical skills to help save the lives of two men in a horrible
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accident. Yeah. That's the interesting thing. As every once in a while, my club skills would show up
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in the ordinary Air Force. Part of what goes on when things are heavily compartmentalized is
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often the left hand. Does it know what the right hand is doing? So serving in my capacity
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is what is known as an OP4, an oppositional force. By the time I was deeply immersed in my club
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training, I soon began to be deployed as what's known as a red team member. I became a red team expert.
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So an opposition force person, what did I do? Just explain to me what you do. So OP4 is the bad guys.
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So an OP4 is a utility team and that team's utility as in pressure testing or stress testing the
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effectiveness of what are known as blue forces, which are the good guys. So OP4 is trained to
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deploy their own intuition and innovation in order to make the regular soldiers' lives hell.
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And that was where I was uniquely qualified and was deployed in that fashion in a number of
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real world scenarios and training scenarios. Now it's a very useful set of skills
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that you acquired in the Air Force. Yes. You've essentially had the training of a top tier one
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operator at, if you like, Delta Force or STS24 level, which is the top US Air Force elite group,
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but you were not a top tier one operator. That is correct. There is no evidence that I was
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ever assigned any task force that was associated with those teams you just mentioned. What were you?
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What was I? Ross, I was a highly talented airplane mechanic who got to deploy on a number of
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presidential support missions. I was a security escort for what are known as HVTs all over the world.
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I also worked, I deployed in Bosnia in support of the hunt for war criminals.
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So why do countries like America have covert people like yourself? What's the purpose of it? Well,
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there's a lot of utility in what you could call a hidden hand. For better or for worse,
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the US government and its agencies tend to paint themselves into a corner and they're bound by
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their own regulations and rules of play, which makes it extremely valuable to be able to outsource
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to folks who don't have to follow those same rules. So you were operating outside of the normal
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rule book, but to be clear, there's nothing wrong with a covert role. The US government uses
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covert operators all the time. Absolutely. It's 100% in the best interest of everyone in this country
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and to maintain superiority from a national security standpoint that we play the game that way.
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And do you regard yourself as a patriot? Do you love it? Absolutely. First and foremost,
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before anything else. And I'd like to be clear, let's do this right now. I'd like you to know
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exactly what side I'm on. Firstly, I'm on the side of my family and my friends. Second, I'm on the
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side of the American people and I'm on the side of the government and the military third and only as
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long as they're taking care of the first two. In that time, when you were being trained, learning
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all these skills, did you have any idea about aliens? No, not at all. One way you can validate that
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you were doing special work is that you were actually recommended for a heroism medal, weren't you?
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The US Air Force Air Force. I was. I was. And you're not allowed to talk about that operation, are you?
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No. There was a classified mission that took place in Bosnia. But every once in a while things
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showed up in my record. And at some point, I had the presence of mine to start making copies of certain
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things. Which was a little nerve wracking because it may have been illegal that I was in possession
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of certain things. But this was a letter recommendation that that caused out my particular
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active heroism. Were you awarded that medal? No, it was squashed by my case officer. And do you think
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it was squashed because they didn't want you to be conspicuous? Yeah, because what the hell would
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aircraft mechanic be doing, chasing war criminals in Bosnia and doing so to the extent that he would
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find himself in a situation that would be worthy of a medal of heroism? Now you can't name the
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agency, the organization that you were working for, can you? No. You'll forbidden by your dobser.
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Forbidden. At any stage during any of the training that you received, was anyone ever telling you
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that you were part of a government that was aware of the existence of non-human intelligence?
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No, not at that time. And I'll have to tell you that everything changed for me right around 9-11.
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And I left the Air Force and basically made a left turn at Albuquerque, never part of the global war
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on terror. And quite literally made it a left turn at Albuquerque and was sent out to California at
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that time to begin establishing my cover basis for an independent, as an independent contractor,
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so that I could serve what was coming down the line next for me. And that is the path which led
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to the UAP subject. In your time in deployment, you met certain people from an aerospace company.
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Yeah. Yes, I did. Now it's also part of the constraints you operate under that you can't name
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that aerospace company. Correct. There's no good reason to name them even if I wasn't constrained.
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What were they doing there? Well, they were supporting us with some new weapons technology that
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could be used to disable vehicles and aircraft. I can disclose this. My understanding is that they
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were essentially using it was actually, I think it's a matter of public record that
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microwave weapons, pulse microwave weapons were being used at that time. Correct. There were
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some early prototypes that were being used at that time. And I met individuals that were there
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representing the companies that were providing that service to the government, made some friends,
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and those relationships led to opportunities later in the California desert where I began my journey.
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Before we go any further, had you ever as a child experienced any kind of a normalist phenomenon
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of yourself? No. This was completely off the books for you. It was complete revelation to you.
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I was born in the 70s. I grew up a fan of Star Wars and Star Trek and back to the future.
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It certainly was a pleasant and fun idea, but during that same time, it was also very clear that
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the culture, it was clearly nostalgic, like the subject matter of UAP and non-human intelligence.
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Which was an acronym we used back then. Aliens, let's say, that it was 100% of a fictional story.
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So while I was interested in it, it was purely as an adolescent from being interested by any other
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fictional subject. Before we get into the nitty gritty of what happened after 2001, let's talk about
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what you perceive the rights and responsibilities of American citizens under your constitution.
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As an enlisted man, did you swear an oath to the constitution? I sure did. How much do you care
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about the ideas and the principles that are exposed in the US constitution? Those ideas are
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absolutely paramount. They come above everything else. Even though I mentioned my family and my friends
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or whose side I'm on first, I cannot facilitate protecting them without the fundamental nature of the
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US constitution. So it is paramount to everything else. Is it fair to say that the reason why you're
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speaking to us here today is because you think it's important that the American people be told about
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what we're going to disclose in accordance with the constitution. Article 1 of the US constitution
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insurines the idea that all arms of government must be transparent and accountable to the Congress.
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Is that happening? You know, I can't really speak to that. From what we're being told,
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there is no evidence of extraterrestrial presence here. There is no evidence of non-human intelligence.
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There's a little bit of admittance and evidence that there's something anomalous in the sky
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flying around and we don't know what it is. So the bad news is I can't really help further that
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question that everyone wants answered. The good news is I'm going to begin to be able to start
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answering that question and that's the primary reason I'm here to speak to you today.
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Do you think Congress is being misled, deceived about what is secretly known about non-human
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intelligence, alien life, engaging with us? It's clear they don't have the full story. What's
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being held back? Just about everything, but there's another problem. I don't even know that they're
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giving a proper attention to begin with. So unfortunately, Congress is very ignorant when it comes
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to the subject. So very recently, the Pentagon spokesman assured press reporters and a Pentagon
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briefing that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial engagement with planet Earth. Is that true?
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No, that's not true. Now, they like to hang their hat on some key words there, extra-terrestrial.
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So that means outside of the planet Earth and that is yet to be determined by my best understanding.
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So you're saying you know for effect there are aliens. Yes, 100%. There are alien craft.
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100%. Have you been involved in the recovery of those alien craft? Well, Ross, yes I have.
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How does it feel to say that? I'm kind of over it. Like this has been a fact I had to get over.
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It wasn't easy when it when it first hit you. That was years ago and it's actually quite therapeutic
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to get to talk about it. And I'm encouraged that it's becoming commonplace because that's where it
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needs to be for us to move forward and start gathering some evidence which we intend to do.
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So you're building up a cover in California shortly after 9-11. What are you doing?
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Well, I'm doing a number of things. One, trying to fill out a sensible explanation for my backstory.
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I mentioned one of the clubs I was in was Pilot Club and you'll speak to my good friend Don Paul
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here shortly who I met during that time. But there's no record of that. So I actually,
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one of the first things I did is I had to go to commercial pilot school in order to create a
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legitimate training record so that I could operate in an official capacity this time as a helicopter
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pilot. So you'd learned how to fly as a covert operator but they didn't give you a license for it
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in the military because you weren't allowed to have that qualification because that would undermine
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your cover, I suppose. Correct. So you had to go and pretend to not be a pilot in order to get your
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commercial pilot. Yeah, that was loads of fun actually. I found it quite challenging to pretend
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I didn't know how to fly. So amusing. You must have blitzed it. Well, pretending to be bad was
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quite easy in the beginning. The hardest part was faking a natural learning curve. So how to
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show that I'm getting better in a progression that they've seen before. So that was fun. A few
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times I took the library to mess with my flight instructor but he just thought I got lucky. So
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this happened for what a couple of years? Yeah, a number of things were done. So one of the rules we
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go by is that legitimacy is the best cover. So in order to provide a certain utility to the
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government by way of a contractor, I have to go and establish a lot of legitimate businesses.
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I have to function in a legitimate way under existing contracts to build a cover. A cover is not
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a hollow shell. It has to be layers deep and the best way to have many layers of cover is to
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just go do something genuine to begin with. So let's be clear about this. You're a very
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financially successful businessman in your own right. You have done well in business. Yes,
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you are not being paid by us or anyone to do this interview. No. In fact, you're deriving no
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financial benefit or in kind benefit at all from doing this interview with me. No. Why are you
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speaking to us today? Well, because I've got some good news. Okay. So I know everyone's been waiting
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for people like me to speak out and we haven't been doing nothing the past several years.
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There's been a lot going on and I'm very pleased to share that we are moving forward in an official
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and transparent capacity to explore the answer to these questions that there appears to be no evidence
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for. And our number one goal now is to function in a private capacity with the backing of venture
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capitalists and in coordination with some of the most key departments in the government in order to
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start answering these questions in a transparent way related to the UAP topic. Are you a front?
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I am a front. Yeah, I mean, you've worked obviously in counterintelligence. You're a trained
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intelligence operative. Is this some kind of disinformation, proper propaganda operation?
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No. And I'm going to say no and I'm going to tell you I'm not lying to you, but unfortunately,
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there's no way that I can convince you of that if that's what you're thinking. A lot of people
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watching this will be thinking, oh, you can never trust a spook. You know, there's obviously wheels
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within wheels. This is part of some official government disclosure operation. Yeah. Is it? No,
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it's not. And again, I'm not going to be able to make you believe that. But what I can invite you to do
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is I'll paraphrase the book of Matthew. You will know us by our fruits. So I'd like to invite you
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to stay tuned in and watch what our new project is about to do and prepare to be dazzled.
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So you're proposing your part of a team that is proposing to do private retrievals of alien
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technology. Yes. Yes. And you've got the backing for it? Yes. Wow. So let's talk about now
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what you do know. Okay. When you finally secured your pilot's training in the commercial world,
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what happened? While I was getting my pilot's training, I was also working to set up a number of
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businesses in order to pursue government contracts from the DOI, the DOD, and all their organizations
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and departments within those. And mostly what we did, a lot like in the 90s, you know, the cover
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capacity takes up the most, most of your time is spent operating in the cover capacity. So you
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were working in legitimate businesses, only a living like everybody else, like everyone else.
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You're just waiting for the call. Waiting for the call. The you know, the incidental benefits of
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the capabilities of the companies you set up are those benefits that are on standby to be deployed
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in the subject matter of UAPs. So you've set up all those legitimate businesses? When did you get
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the call? So as a helicopter operator, we provide a number of services to a number of departments
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within the military industrial complex. And that includes the department of the interiors,
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well as the DOI. The department of the interior has a number of other departments within it.
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And we worked mostly in those for our conists or within the continental United States. Those
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operations include things like firefighting, long haul, short haul, which is our external loads
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for helicopters, working for the BIA Bureau of Indian Affairs. Anything you could do to provide
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utility, anything that you could do with the utility of a helicopter we were put to task on.
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Now at this stage, there was no indication of any anomalous phenomena at all.
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No. When did you first start becoming aware of strange objects in this guy during your work?
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Well, a lot of the work we did was on what I called the range. And the range is a particular
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geographical area where the US government and its private partners used to test all kinds of things.
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Weapon systems and resilience to weapon systems of certain craft. And so you see a lot of exciting
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things. I have to remind you that my particular role is very basic. Security and transportation
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it gets a little broad as you drill down, but I'm a security and transportation expert. And
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that's the service we provided, broadly provided to the government and its partners. So you start
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seeing at the range. Yes. Interesting objects. Well, yeah, it's always interesting out there.
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It was a process for me getting to the point until we had our first experience with something
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that was obviously non-human and urgent. But up until that time, there's lots of interesting
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things in the sky. I can tell you that our technology, by R, I mean anything that lives within
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the inventory of the United States government, its private partners is pretty spectacular.
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There are some cool things. And from an observer standpoint on the ground, it's hard to
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tell exactly what's going on. Things come in and out of sight. Things disappear for a moment
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and reappear. Things seem to move very quickly. Things change color. They change shape.
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And a good reference for this is I'm sure we've all seen these drone shows like they could put
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on at a Super Bowl half time or other places. And those are pretty amazing to see, visually amazing.
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But we all know that's human tech and we accept it. But if you kind of think about that and think
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about perhaps what we might be doing privately in the interest of national security, your imagination
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could fill in the blanks on what you might see on a test range that's being used by the US government
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its partners. I mean I guess we all expect that there's technology that we don't know about that's
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being kept confidential for very good reasons because the United States doesn't want foreign
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adversaries to know that it has an aerospace advantage or a weapons advantage over a potential rival.
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And were you telling yourself that for a long time when you started seeing anomalous objects on the
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right? Yeah because just like it is now you kind of have to train yourself even once you become a
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a believer in the UAP subject and you take some folks outside who are believers and they look up
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they get really excited and falsely identify a satellite as a UAP or something else in the sky
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an airplane that has you might not be able to see its position lights or its drove. So you know
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what Louis Luzondo has described as the five observables. Instantaneous speed, incredible hypersonic
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speeds, transmittium travel, water to air, air to water, positive lift some kind of propulsion
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system that isn't explained by conventional systems. And stealth. So you were seeing objects
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complied with those weird observables. Yes. And at that time you would also see things when you talk
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about the I'm sorry that trans, trans and medium. So one of those that would raise your eyebrows more
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of the trans medium characteristics because things would come from the ground like from the earth,
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from a ridge from a mountain or it could pass through so they'd come out of the ridge, out of a ridge.
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Yeah. Now that is clearly technology that is certainly not known. Now again that is the visual
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understanding of what you're seeing and was that human technology?
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You just don't know. I just don't know. I think that I do not know. So there came a time though where
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you began to realize that this was something else. Well let me add to we also know of circumstances
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and you'll speak to some of my teammates here where we did recover things that were exotic
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in nature in the sky and we know they were classified craft and we recovered them and took
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them back to where they go and that was a regular thing. So there are things that we're trying to
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predict that are far beyond what we know about publicly. Yeah, much like everything in my story
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that we're talking about 80 to 90% of the time it's very ordinary and boring once you get acclimated
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to the lifestyle. It's but for a 5 or 10% that is the most outrageous and exciting time of your life.
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But the majority of what we see and do is explainable and is ordinary and is known by many people
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and is not classified. But there is a certain percentage which is extremely sensitive and that
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extremely sensitive bit does include what we know is our own man-made advanced technology and we
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work we work to our recovery efforts if this is where we're going with the conversation. When we
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look at a recovery mission or a crash recovery team you don't put together a team like that
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with the intent of recovering non-human craft that that team is trained and provided the training
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and tools and technology to conduct a recovery mission for a number of objects and craft.
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But in the rare occasion or let's say the hypothetical occasion something of a non-human
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origin or source were to interface with the ground you would deploy that same team and that
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is the segue and how we got involved with this particular subject. So tell me about the moment
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when you realized that you were involved in a retrieval of non-human technology, alien take.
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So it became very clear the first time we recovered something that was non-human in origin
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that was precisely what we were dealing with. Our communications changed. Our communication process
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and procedure was modified. It was also clear to everyone on the team that what we were dealing with
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was something that was unexpected versus expected and then just visually looking at the object on the
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ground you could tell that it was extraordinary and anomalous. It was not human. How close did you get?
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Well I was a helicopter pilot and I operate with 150 foot to 200 foot long line so I got within
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150 feet of this object. What did you see? I saw an egg, a white egg. How large was the object?
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I would say approximately 20 feet plus or minus a little bit about the size of a large SUV.
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Did it have any seams? No. And it was pure white. It was like pearly white, like a metallic
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pearly white, best I could assess. I mean what you're describing sounds like something out of a
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TV show. Yeah. Well, fortunately I'm going to share some images with you and you can see one of
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these flying in the sky if you like in broad daylight. So you actually sort in the sky before.
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No, not this one, but in our new venture we've already begun work and we're capturing
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sensitive out of the exact same craft flying in the sky. How did you know that that egg-shaped
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object was non-human in origin? Well visually after seeing all kinds of things in my past
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it was clearly something that was ridiculously looking. It's inconsistent with anything I've
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ever seen before. I can also tell you that the reaction by my team, who was very experienced,
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was not, was atypical. We changed our, we modified our entire process for recovery that night.
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Our communication process changed. We all knew we were dealing with something extraordinary.
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In addition to that, it has also been verified by me by high ranking members of the UAP test force
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that what we recovered that night was in fact known in each eye craft. So the implications of that
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are actually quite shocking. It means the government's lying to us, which shouldn't come as any
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surprise to us, but we're being lied to. I don't, I can't comment on that because I don't know what
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the government knows. This, this operation, yeah, I just can't comment to that because uh,
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do you think it's possible that there are even senior people in the Pentagon who aren't aware
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of what you know? Absolutely. There are senior people in all branches of government that are unaware
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what's going on at the bottom. So when general Air Force General Pat Rider speaks at a press briefing
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in the Pentagon and says there is no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation or engagement with
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planet Earth, he might actually be telling the truth because he hasn't been read in. Like you
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correct. Now you have what's called I understand a top secret SCI clearance. You have
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compartmented intelligence clearance to certain programs. My clearance is given like on as a
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as like an as needed basis. So like when I go it's not like I go there's no record of me having top
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secret clearance anywhere, but I get well there is because in the documents that you've showed us
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there is one document that shows a NATO top secret clearance and what does that mean?
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That means you are cleared to the highest level that you that you need to be in order to
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function in the capacity that you've been assigned on a particular mission. And it's quite a
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high clearance. It's a very high clearance. And so the best effort was done to secure your cover
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and as part of protecting that cover it wasn't allowed to be known that you had high clearances.
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But what you have been able to demonstrate to us is that you were in fact given high clearances
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as part of your role. Yeah. The clearances kind of accompanied me like a shadow. If I got deployed
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on a particular mission, let's use an aircraft, an HVT mission for example. High value target.
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High value target. I spent a lot of time in the 90s living out of a hotel room at Pope Air Force
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with a pager that that was our technology back then. So I'll give you a short story that'll
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tie this together. So a typical situation for me would be told to go stay at the lodging on base
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and I could travel to the chow hall. I could travel to the gym, but I had to stay within that
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response area. We would have a sealed aircraft. A sealed aircraft is an aircraft that has been
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configured and swept and then a metal seal goes on the door to where if that door is open or broken,
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we know someone has entered that aircraft in an authorized capacity. So we'd have a sealed aircraft
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there. If we got dispatched, I would go to an aircraft. There would be manifests that go with that
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aircraft that would list all the crew members, their security clearances, and a rough description
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as to the mission. At those times, we would, the crew would be briefed. Security clearances would
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be issued to that crew. And anytime I was on a HVT mission that was highly sensitive, I would
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operate under what is known as a NATO top secret security clearance. And there are documents,
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a few documents that I was able to make copies of that show that. And indeed the document that
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you've showed us shows very clearly that you and the pilot were the only people on board the plane
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that had a NATO top secret clearance. Yeah, probably the reason he was assigned is because I was
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there. So not to sound arrogant, but the fact that I was being deployed on that mission meant that
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the aircraft commander also needed to be read-end to a certain degree which would require that
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clearance. It is part of the reason why they keep your clearances secret in that covert role.
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So that they have plausible deniability if you ever did decide to speak publicly.
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Yeah, here's a funny thing. Like the US government can make a bunch of rules in order to create
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a scalath of thing that keeps things intact, but they make a bunch of rules so that they can break
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and hack the system and get around them. It provides great obscurity to create the rules that
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separate the known from the unknown. And I want to add one comment here is when we're talking about
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circumstances like the first time we recovered a UAP which was the flying egg.
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That immediately, regardless of where you were or what level of security you're operating
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under at the time, when that shows up you're instantly now in a top secret classified situation,
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regardless of people's clearance. So before you flew out that day to go and do the recovery of
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the egg, what were you told? I was told that we were going out to do our normal thing. We're going
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to provide range security and we transport crew and we're doing our normal range work.
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You weren't told that this was an anomalous craft that was clearly of non-human origin.
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And I genuinely believe no one else knew this was going to happen either. I think it was a shock
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to everyone. And at no stage were you ever subsequently told that the craft was of non-human origin?
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No. So how do you know it wasn't human? How do you know that we don't have top secret
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tech that is shaped like an egg? Right. Well, I'll tell you that because of the reaction of my
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leadership structure and because of my experience working in that capacity, everyone involved
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was convinced that what we were seeing and dealing with was in fact exotic and its origin.
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I will also tell you that during this process over the last couple years it's been confirmed to me
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by ranking members of the UAP task force that what we were working with that night was in fact
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an H.I. and it was not a unique experience. The egg as we're referring to is known by and there
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have been many others that have encountered this type of craft in our atmosphere, outside of our
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atmosphere, broad day, night time all over the place. You got a good look at this object, didn't you?
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Yeah. Was there any visible propulsion system on it? No. Not what we would know. There's no engine.
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There was no thermal signature. I was operating at night when I finally came in to pick it up.
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So I'm working under night vision goggles at the time and it was quite clear. I flipped
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them up, flipped them down and looked at it a couple of different ways. Was there a thermal signature?
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There was not a thermal signature. It wasn't hot. No. No. You know, general laws of thermodynamics,
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if an object's been flying or driving an engine, it's going to show heat, isn't it?
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Yes. Yes. So how do you think that object was being propelled? Well,
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that's a great question that we're looking forward to exploring with our new venture.
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So when you went back to base, was it the sort of job where you could go to your bosses and say,
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hey, listen, what was that object that I picked up? That strange looking egg thing?
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No, that's not quite how it works. When I go back to what you would call my bass,
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when I go back to our facility, that's back to my normal working business.
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And the people that are involved there have really no idea what's going on when I'm holding
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myself out for work for the government. So this is how the compartmentalisation system works.
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It's a need to know. There was no need for the people that were you were working with to know,
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so they weren't briefed in. Yes. And you only found out incidentally because you saw it
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on the range. Right. So let's keep on going. That's tweaked your interest.
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For the first time, you've seen something that does appear genuinely anomalous. When was the
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next occasion when you became aware of anomalous non-human technology? There's another crap
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that we recovered that I can talk about. And that craft was what we referred to as an
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eight-gon. An eight-gon is basically a disc-shaped object that, when viewed from the top,
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has eight different symmetrical sections that are delineated by some form of ridge.
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So it's an octagon-shaped disc? Yes.
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By any chance, was there a name or nickname for the egg? Yeah, the egg we actually called
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Nannus, like from the Morgan Mindy show, from the 70s, because it's ridiculous. That's exactly
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what it looked like. And so it's funny when you look back at the what may have been the motivation
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for the 1970s. Because where else would that egg is a ridiculous idea for a guy from
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mort from Ork, right? So you have mort from Ork who flew to Earth in an egg. It surely gives credit
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to the idea that some like to think that perhaps there was a PR program that utilized our fascination
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with Hollywood and television to paint pictures of actual fact as fiction, making it now somewhere
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high-bred you could call faction. So what time of day or night was it when you came across the
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octagonal object, the eight-gon? We did recovery on that both day and night. So talk me through it.
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What happens? You're in your chopper? Yeah, I'm in my chopper. What sort of chopper?
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The time is a bell 212, which is the same as a UHN1. It's a twin engine twin-bladed bell helicopter.
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You're flying it night? Flying it night. What time at night? Oh god. I don't remember like
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after midnight. Have you been given any pre-flight briefing? I'm the one who would be given the briefing,
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but we are given a loadout on the particular object that when you're flying an external load,
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we designate two different sites. One's called the drop site, one's called the pick site,
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you could say. The pick site is where the payload is that you're flying into pickup.
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As you're making your first trip into the pick site, the payloads are already rigged and manifested
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for you to prepare them for flight. When you're in route to that object, you're given some basic
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information like weight estimates, size estimates. There's two objects that I'm here to talk about.
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One was the A, the other is what we called an eight-gon. The eight-gon was essentially a flying
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disk with what looked like eight delineated sections when looking down. And I can tell you what
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looked like from looking down because that's primarily how I saw it because I'm the helicopter pilot.
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We did recoveries with the eight-gones. There was more than one that was, that made its way to the
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ground on this particular operation. And the recovery was done at night and then more was done in the day.
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Because of where we operate, sometimes things can make their way into this deep terrain. The terrain
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where we operate is the highest mountain range in the whole United States. And so the decision was made
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to wait till daylight to recover some of the object or some of the material that was brought down
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or made its way to the ground that night. During the recovery of the object at night time,
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I make my way in the helicopter from where we configure the line and we fly to where
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what we call the pick site. There's two locations. We designate them pick site drop site.
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Drop site at the delivery location. We have a crew both at the pick site and the drop site
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on the ground. The the pick team configures the cargo for flight.
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So whatever it is, the craft is sitting in a sling waiting for you, Helicolta.
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Yeah, it's sitting. We have these things called pumpkins which are like rubberized bags or containers.
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And from my point of view, it was covered in a pumpkin, at least from the bottom and the sides.
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This is one of the most profound experiences I've ever had in my life, I'm about to share with you.
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So bear with me. This is for me when it became clear. As I get closer to this pick site, I start
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feeling odd. I start feeling extremely emotional.
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And the closer I get the more the emotion starts to overwhelm me.
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What do you feel? What's the emotion? I feel a sense of my mother. I don't know how to explain it.
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I feel this intense hybrid of sadness and happiness and beauty and song.
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And it was very disruptive to me because I had a very practical responsibility at the time to
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operate a helicopter in the mountains at night. And I began wondering what was wrong with me.
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It was late to my stress and my tired and my marinating in cortisol and estrogen. I don't know.
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But as I came over this object for the pick, it was this overwhelming sense of emotion.
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What's it saying? The object. Tell me what you're feeling.
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Like I said, it was an overwhelming sense of sadness, happiness. Is it your feeling?
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Are you suddenly having a mental breakdown on the job? No, I felt like something connected with me.
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I felt like something had tuned in to me and my soul and was providing me some sense of
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guidance on what to do and how profound what I was doing was. And it was so overwhelming that I began
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to cry. And I can't imagine crying at night time with night vision goggles as the
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healthiest way to fly a chocolate. No, no, it is not. And then I'm confused as to why I'm crying
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at the same time. And then I'm, do I abort the mission? Do I? And so I just did my best to focus
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on my particular cues when doing this type of work. And I got the load hooked up and I began
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flying away. And once it was just me and that object in between the pick and the drop side,
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there was about 20 miles in between. I felt like something was inside of me. I felt like I was
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possessed by the most beautiful spirit I had ever been possessed by. And was it loving? It was loving.
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But there was a sense of sadness at the same time. And had you ever had an experience like this
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before? No, no, it was a very feminine energy. I'll tell you that. It felt like the spirit of God,
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but not in any masculine sense that I had ever felt. It was like again the feeling of my mother.
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And my daughter and beauty. And it wasn't like, so it was like a frequency that I was connected with.
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Was it skewed? I don't know if it is a thing. I'm still trying to figure out
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why that happened. I, well, I don't want to say that because I have a pretty good idea of
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what's going on now. And whatever that force was since that night, it has stayed with me.
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And as crazy as this sounds, it's what's guiding me now. And it's what's providing protection for me.
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It's changed your life. It's changed my life. Do you think it's made you a better person
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that experienced? It has made me a more sensitive and aware person, which I think all of us would be
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better people. So that was a moment when you became aware of, at the very least,
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a technology that had the capacity to touch you remotely, remotely, telepathically,
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telepathically. Now, to liberty we are told is a nonsense. It's a fiction. What happened after you
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flew the object in the sling to presumably the drop-off zone? Once I made the drop,
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before I got there, I was really scared that I was going to have to stop flying and punch this
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thing off because I was so distracted. But then I was like, well, crap, now we've got another
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recovery site. Now we have to recover this. I'm going to have to burnch it. And I don't know.
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So it took everything I had in me at the time to get to my drop site and I delivered this.
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Oddly enough, no one in my crew reported having similar effects from this.
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I do not believe there was a being in that craft. I've come to understand now after being involved
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with other parts of the programs that are tested on the range, that there is a known and researched
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and implemented emotional or psychic or what we call a psionic component to the research and
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development of the UAP program. Now, Jacob, I know it's going to be very confronting for our audience
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to hear this, but you think that you've discovered something potentially about yourself as a result
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of that experience that you might in fact have abilities that you will never aware of.
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I know when I, in my childhood, if we look back to when I was a kid, I sincerely believe that
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the screening I went through in high school, you know, my grandparents are, when I was a kid,
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there's the reason I joined the military is real simple. I wanted to jump out of airplanes and
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kill bad guys and make my grandparents proud. And my grandparents were the most amazing people I've
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ever met. You know, they grew up during the Great Depression, dealt with World War II,
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and my grandfather's particularly were the strongest and the most sensitive men I've ever met
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all wrapped up into one person. We can call them Navy Grandpa and Army Grandpa, let's say it.
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So, you know, Navy Grandpa was a very influential naval officer who's actually a member of the
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SEALs predecessors, the Scouts and Raiders. Army Grandpa was an Army captain and a salesman.
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They both founded our neighborhood church and literally set the cornerstone to our church together.
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Unfortunately, you know, their children, my parents, were very loving people, but made a lot of bad
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decisions. This led to step families for me at a very young age and to get away from the
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abusive environment, I spent a lot of time outside. I would tell my mom, I'm going to my dad's
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house, I tell my dad, I'm going to my mom's house and I would, I'd bug out and just go live outside.
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You were living in the bush somewhere? Yeah, essentially I was homeless, but you know, I just told
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myself I was a wild commando survivalist and that gave me pride in what I was doing instead of shame.
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And so, that, I refined a pretty high level of independence at a young age, but my grandparents
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were still always there making sure I had some outlet for certain things. And so, they got me
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involved with an art program and a music program. I have to tell you, so my maybe grandfather,
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he was the superintendent, he got his doctorate in education and by the time I graduated high school,
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he had retired as a superintendent of our school district. So, he was a very influential man.
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And I understand he ran the gifted and talented education program for that school district.
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Yeah, you could say he was the ambassador for this area for the gate program, which was a program
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for gifted and talented kids. And my personal experience with that was, was great. It was, I just got
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pulled out a normal class a couple of times a day, at least twice and got to go to a private classroom
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where I had one on one time with a staff member there who played a lot of games with me inside and
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outside. And we ran a number of creative classes together. And outside of that, I also after school,
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I would attend, I had a private art teacher, I learned music. And so, I felt like I had a unique
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education experience as a kid. My grandfather also got me involved in water polo and swimming. He
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was a diver and a swimmer. And water polo became a great outlet for me. I found the,
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the competition and the physical exhaustion was like great medicine for me. Looking back, though,
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do you think there might have been something special about your selection into the gate program?
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Well, if we look into my high school years, unfortunately, my senior year, I got a lot of trouble.
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When I did show up to school, I was a bit disruptive in class. I had a smart mouth. I liked being a
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class clown. And I got a lot of fights. And by the time my senior year came around, I was the
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varsity goalie on our water polo team. And five weeks into my senior year, I got expelled for fighting
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again. And at that time, I was on a disciplinary contract. So, my accumulation of bad behavior
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throughout high school resulted in a contract, which was interesting. And it was a one-and-done
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fail situation in five weeks into my senior year. I was expelled. At this time, my grandparents
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decided to hold an intervention. And I don't even think my parents or step parents know, but the two
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men got together. And met with me and decided to research military programs that would be available
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at that time. And so we made several trips down to UCLA, to an office near there. And I began going
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through a series of tests of all kinds. There were physical, physiological, psychological, creative
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tests. And we assumed that all of this was pretty typical. You know, no, don't you, that the US Air Force
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has been secretly testing people through the gate program for certain psychic abilities.
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Yes. Were you tested? Yes. Do you think that might have played a part in what happened to you
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that night when you were recovering that craft? Yeah, and I don't know that the Air Force realized
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that I'll tell you, I know others that I've come to meet through the program that we'll talk about
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that were in a psionic program that have a very similar backstory. But for whatever reason,
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I was not used in that way. Again, my creativity and intuition resulted in, as I've shared with you
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before, being used for creative war games, being very creative in war games. But what I used is
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intuition, if we make a spectrum and we put intuition on the conservative side, let's say the right
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side of the scale. On the more far outside, that might be something that looks a lot like telepathy
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or telekinesis. And we call this psionics, which we can talk about. And so I knew I was intuitive,
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I knew I was creative, and I also know I had good imagination. And so looking back, it was clear
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that becoming a red team expert, those are the tools that I would deploy. My intuition and creativity
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is what made me successful in that capacity. I'm quite struck by how many very senior elite soldiers,
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special operations soldiers, when they admit what they do in a combat situation where they're facing
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imminent harm. There's often a moment where they talk about intuition, precognition. They knew
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something was about to happen. Does it happen to you? Yeah, I would say that I have a keen ability to
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make good decisions, short-term and long-term. I also find comfort in chaos, you could say.
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And I actually see things more clearly in chaos and tend to make very wise decisions.
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And is that a quality that you recognize in a lot of your colleagues in special operations?
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Yeah, you might be interested to know that people at an elite operator level, there's a lot of
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them that are left-handed. A lot of them that were artists as kids are still are very good
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drawers, illustrators, musicians. There also, if you were to describe their personalities,
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you might find yourself using some oxymorons like peaceful warriors, sensitive savages, you could say.
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That's a real thing. And I'll add one more, where a bunch of dead serious goofballs.
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So there's this dichotomy between feminine and masculine at the extremes that I don't know if
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you could go as far as to say is the big blue air force and the big black department of defense.
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Knows what they're doing and they're prospecting for these kids at a level.
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And they're planning this long-term well-thought-out path. But what you will find is that we end up
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making our way there. Something made you connect with that machine that night.
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Yes, it chose to connect with me and reportedly no one else on my crew.
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So when you got back to base, did you report the fact that you'd had that extraordinary?
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I was, because I didn't know what happened. And I don't want, you know, you carry a lot of responsibility
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as a pilot. You know, in this process, I've moved from being a very pragmatic person with a
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tremendous amount of responsibility in day-to-day grind in this dimension to a place where I've had
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to take into account and incorporate things that are basically metaphysical and find a balance
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between the two, all while maintaining the trust that I could do my very pragmatic work.
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So this was something pretty new to me this night. The last thing I'm going to do is go back
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and tell my team that I almost had to pop the load off because I was connected with a goddess
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that was making me cry.
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So, you've had those two anomalous incidents with craft.
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Clearly, these are objects that are being recovered that do not appear to be human technology.
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So, this is a good thing to talk about because what we're dealing with is either non-human
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intelligence if we want to use those words or that phrase or that acronym.
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It's either that or we need to dramatically redefine what we think human intelligence is.
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Because this object, whatever it was, was capable of communicating with you in your mind.
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That object or whatever was controlling that object was also connecting to me through the mind,
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Now, you learned, didn't you, that this was the tip of a iceberg?
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Well, my work coincidentally, shortly after that, led me in support of another particular part
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of the program which deals directly with looking at this piece right here, which is,
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is there a component on the summoning side that we call and the operation side of
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these non-human craft that has to do with consciousness or at least a field of consciousness
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that perhaps humans can tap into and maybe all beings in the universe can tap into.
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A psionic person is someone with the predisposition for
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or um, extra-al temporal, you could say abilities and sensitivities. Someone who is, um,
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is, has a fantastic intuition.
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What did you discover with the psionics were being used for in the program?
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In the program, there was certainly a desire to explore the idea that perhaps
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UAP could be summoned, could be communicated with, could be controlled, and could be
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persuaded to land all by deploying people with psionic abilities to interface and communicate
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And did you see that happen?
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So there were people who were purportedly, psionically gifted, who were brought into the program?
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Where did they come from?
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They come from all over.
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They're not, uh, and all over.
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I mean, from outside the United States as well as in.
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And how are they detected?
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How are they picked?
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Uh, you know, I don't really know.
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You'd have to ask somebody else.
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I'm told that there are particular indigenous communities around the world.
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Native Americans, people in different third world countries,
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who apparently have enhanced psychic abilities that are we hearing.
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I think, um, I think most people could grasp the idea that perhaps people that are from other
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You know, our culture has, leaves a lot to be desired when we look at the contaminants that exist
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in our food, contaminants that exist in our drugs, and contaminants in our culture.
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And some of these contaminants, um, it turns out, aren't great for your spirituality,
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or your consciousness, or your psionic abilities.
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And so those who live a particular lifestyle or live in a culture where they have a more natural
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or direct way of life with nature and their surroundings seem to, um,
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within those groups of people, there's a little bit higher demographic than
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there typically is for those with a psionic ability.
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So these people are sought out and are used to contribute to the research that
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that might be going on with psionic.
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I want to put something to you.
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I've spoken myself, you haven't told me this, but I've spoken myself to people of Native American
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background, Indigenous Americans, who say that this is a particularly popular thing for recruitment
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from the program to happen in Indigenous American communities.
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Yes, I know that for a fact.
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There are also people from countries in the third world
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where these abilities are recognised and not treated with stigma as we do in the Western world.
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Yeah, there is no stigma.
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In fact, if there's any stigma, if you're the one who's not playing along,
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you might be the outcast in those cultures.
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So the irony is that part of your discovery inside the program is that there genuinely are people
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who can actually make a mental, spiritual connection to a technology.
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Yes, 100%. Was that a revelation to you?
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It was fun. It was actually fun to learn.
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One of the things in our work that was like, oh my gosh, there's more to life.
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It answered certain questions and intuitions, if you will, that we have going back to your childhood.
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And if anything, that we're most present in your childhood, which is very satisfying because
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something as a child, you have this particular feeling, and it kind of dies out as you become
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more mature and have to take on more responsibility.
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To be able to nurture that and accept that that might be the case.
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And to see organisations as serious as those who we worked with,
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taking this seriously was actually a heck of a lot of fun.
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So this is an ontological shock, I think, for many people watching this, because we're all
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being told. Firstly, there's no such thing as aliens visiting this planet.
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And secondly, we're all being told, there's no such thing as telepathy or psychic abilities.
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Yeah, you know what, I don't think there is going to be an ontological shock.
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I think people are going to react to it the same way I did.
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I think it's going to be an ontological relief, because I think everyone deep down knows that
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there is more to life than what we are being told in experiencing. And to know that there might
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be something like a sixth, seventh, eighth sense that has a spiritual connection and that might
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actually have a good nature and application behind it.
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Like, not only is it not shocking, but it should be welcomed, I would think.
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Well, I'd go further, Jake.
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And listen to the message you got from whatever that
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is telling us what sense of beauty.
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Oh, well, well, well.
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And it's funny hearing an elite soldier talking about love and benevolence.
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You know what fuels every elite soldier?
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Is a preservation of love or something that they love?
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That's what's behind all the strength.
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So let's go through the psionic program.
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When a psionic operator engages with technology, how do they do it?
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Using their mind, something like meditation.
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And I need to preface this by saying, this is stuff that I've come to know recently.
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The night that I had this experience, there was another team involved,
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come to find out, was a psionics team.
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And they were also working that night.
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And do you think it was them that had attracted the object in the first place?
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And so, how did the object come to land?
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I think it was invited to land by the psionics team.
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How do they make the objects land?
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No, there's a number of other ways.
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So I have to tell you that, you know, weapon systems are tested out there.
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I know this from other sources.
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I know that high pulse microwave weapons are being used to bring down some of these craft.
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Now, how often was it done where the objects would land on their own accord?
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And how often was it done that weapons would be used?
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Yeah, I can't tell you how often.
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I can tell you that they are brought down both ways that they are invited to land by the psionics team.
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Other times they are invited in by the psionics team, but then
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HPMs, which are high powered microwave weapons, are deployed.
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And they have an effect where they can disrupt the flight pattern of the object.
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And when it is an object, sometimes it's not.
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And it can result in that aircraft being forcibly brought down.
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When they did the attraction of the objects, was it purely psychic?
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Was there machinery that was used as well?
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So there are five components to our operation, which might answer a lot of your questions.
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So the first component is a calling phase.
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Calling is either through man or machine-based summoning systems.
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We have man-based systems, which are our psionic assets, which make a
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connection through intuition or consciousness with the object and can invite it in.
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The other is a machine-based calling system, which uses many systems, which I'm not going to
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go into detail about. You could refer to them as a dog whistle or a lure.
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And UAP certain types seem to be specifically attracted or responsive to our machine-based
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calling systems. And then from there, once they're brought in, we communicate with them.
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Now, the psionics can have a dual role, because in this communication phase, we do a lot of data
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collection. So it's verifying that what we are seeing is something tangible, also that it is
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responding to our efforts. So we might invite it to move left or right, or to position our particular
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machine-based systems in a particular direction and then measure the response.
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The implication of what you're saying is that this intelligence that's behind these objects,
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whatever it is, seems willing to she. Yeah, yeah, I think it ultimately is working for us.
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And it is commonly talked about that what we are getting, even when we weaponize it,
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is a donation, a gift. And even when we deploy equipment, when there's a combined operation
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where the psionics team and a machine-based team, all the equipment kind of has to be blessed
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and brought in. When it's a psionically-led operation for so many. A lot of people watching this,
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Jake, are going, I'm sure, this is crazy. This guy's making this up. This can't possibly be true.
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Alien vehicles, psychic techniques to engage with technology. This is disinformation, fabrication.
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Yeah. Well, we intend to prove that's not the case, which has a lot to do with the timing as to why
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I'm coming out now. We plan to produce that evidence in our new venture with our teams that we've
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used for years. In the legacy program, we've now gotten out and we've pulled our resources,
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and we're backed by venture capital. We're also working in coordination with the most
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forefront government agencies that you would want involved with us on this subject matter.
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And we're going to start producing evidence on all of this and we're going to share it with
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Chris Lee, you know it works because you've seen it done. Yes. Yeah. And so have your colleagues.
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That's correct. What would you say to people who might say, there's no way a secret like this could
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have been kept for so long? I mean, you're describing an operation that in your experience has been
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going for at least 10, 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know how long the program's been doing?
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I would say I'm sorry. Get over it. I don't know what else to tell you.
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So it can be kept. A secret can be kept. Oh, yeah. Secrets, there are lots of secrets.
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So I'm kept for good reasons. So let me briefly summarize the applications of what you're saying.
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Aliens are real. So I would like to know, unfortunately, we got to get really specific with the
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semantics. Okay. So what do you mean by alien? Something non-human and intelligent built craft
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that you have been involved in recovery. Yes. Something that is inconsistent with our idea of
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what a human is is involved with these craft. Are these intelligences, whatever they are? Are they
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extra to-restrile? Are they from somewhere else? Or could they possibly be living on this planet?
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I gotta remind you, I'm a security and transportation guy that has been involved in this program
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really within the purview of those two categories. So you're going to have to ask someone else.
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I presume you've got a chance to talk to the psionics. Yeah. When they mentally, telepathically engaged
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with whatever this intelligence was, what did they tell you about it? Well, they refer to it as a
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they in a very spiritual nature. Something like angels, angels and demons. Let's say there's certainly
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good energies and bad energies, but it's talked of in a very nebulous way like this, because
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no one really knows what it is. No one, especially on the psionic side, we're still trying to figure
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that out. We're still trying to figure out exactly what it is. And there's probably a number of
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things going on. There might be biological entities and we use the word biological for a very
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specific reason. Biological, we don't need, we limit it to that because we aren't here to imply
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that it is sentient or has a consciousness. We really don't know that. There is some evidence
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that that shows it might be the case that these are something like soft tissue drones or lab meat
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that was programmed in order to operate craft meat robots. Meat robots. Yeah. Okay. So it really begs
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the question. But ironically, while some of the biological cargo that comes with these craft
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is not conscious, consciousness itself is how you interact and pilot the craft, which is ironic,
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because for the first time ever, the biological creatures inside are not conscious, but the craft is.
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The other implication too from what your experience shows is that whatever and wherever the
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intelligence is that's behind those craft, it seems friendly, benevolent. But nebulent. Yeah. In fact,
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loving, loving. It's if you want to connect with it, if you want to have a relationship and if
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you want to see stuff flying in the sky, you need to be channeling a loving energy.
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That's just the way it works. But beautiful. Yeah. It is. In fact, there can be individuals in the group
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that throw off that vibe that can mess up the vibration of the psionics work and their communication
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with the beings and then you aren't as successful. Have you in any of the work that you've done?
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And I know you're being very limited in what incidents you're prepared to talk about. Have you ever
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come across malevolent intelligence that's non-human? I have not. I personally have not. Have
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any of your colleagues? You'll have to ask them. Okay. The implications, though, of what you're
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telling us are incredible. We are not alone. We are not alone. There is a non-human intelligence
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that has been engaging with this planet. Yes. To your knowledge, is it just the United States that
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is having these encounters? No. No. I can tell you for a fact that my team has been sought after
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for our unique service that we provide by organizations outside the United States.
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But let's be clear. I don't want to put you in the position of imputing that you might have been
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helping unfriendly countries, neither of the countries or none of the countries that you work with
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foreign adversaries. No. And when I say that, I use the word organizations instead of governments
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because there are many other folks that may be operating in a private capacity that
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so let me say this. This situation is not unique to the US. To your knowledge,
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Russia and China doing retrievals of non-human countries. I have no idea. I imagine they are.
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Why would you say that? Well, because this particular activity is not unique to the United States.
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I know for a fact that members of my team have been asked to provide our expertise and service
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for organizations outside the US, not China and Russia. But you know, the US government does not
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have a monopoly on the UAP subject matter. I mean, the skies are not classified. Your conscious
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can't be redacted. So the NHI can connect with whoever the hell they want and whoever the hell they
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are can connect with NHI. And this lends itself to a particular situation of formula that you can
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imagine exists, which is if you have a belief that this is a worthwhile venture, which ironically
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the government has made extremely clear. Like there are many people, myself and our new organization
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included, that is not waiting on the government to say this is something you should invest time
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and energy on. And that's become abundantly clear in the last two years. But prior to that,
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anyone that had the will to believe that and the money to invest and the tools and techniques
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and talent in order to do it could set up their own communication, crash recovery, reverse
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engineering program anywhere in the world. The NHI is not hold itself out exclusively for
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the United States. Why has this been kept secret from all of us? Oh God, I don't know. I really don't
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know. I imagine, you know, I have to trust that be careful what you wish for. There might be very
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good reasons. I imagine that some of what we see, I know that some of what we see is our own advanced
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tech. And it's absolutely imperative that we keep a competitive advantage over our adversaries.
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As a patriot, that's paramount. We need to be able to defend ourselves. And unfortunately,
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you can't tell the public things without telling your adversaries. So therefore the public for
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their own good is going to be kept, they're going to be kept out of the known certain subjects.
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And so there's this there's this difference between secrecy and privacy. And I'll lay this out
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because we need to be able to flip back and forth between the two. Privacy is something that protects
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responsibilities and the dignity of whoever needs that privacy. Secrecy is something that typically
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hides vices, amoral intentions and crimes, let's say. I know for the most part that what we're dealing
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with when it comes to our government, the subject matter is a matter of privacy, not secrecy, if you
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want to look at it that way. Somebody you discovered was recording these operations in secret.
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There are videos of these operations that were captured illegally during these operations that
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are out there. You became aware, didn't you, while you were doing these retrieval operations,
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that there was concern from a private aerospace company that certain computers had gone missing.
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Yes. And those computers were Panasonic Toughbooks. Correct. Five Panasonic Toughbooks. Six. Six.
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What happened? Well, we were deployed on a particular task to recover what we call HVTs or
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high-value targets. Those high-value targets were Panasonic Toughbooks.
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And whatever was on these Toughbooks was highly sensitive material. And this came about, I have to
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tell you, after 2018. It is quite possible, I will say, that the sensitive material that is on
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these Panasonic Toughbooks has to do with sensor data video that was illegally captured during some
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of these operations, some of which may be incriminating or classified. Now I can understand a lot of
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people may watching this may be indignant, but there are good reasons why some things are classified
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in the Elysium industry. Absolutely. So you were tasked to get these laptops back? Yes. Because the
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concern was they could break the secrecy of the whole program. I can't speak to what the
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implications were of this sensitive information getting out. My job is pretty simple. I get passed
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on something, I get given a pretty narrow scope. And after doing this for 20 years, that's enough
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for me because everything that I've done up until now is I've been very well taken care of and
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everything. I trust the process by which we operate. So I'm only pre-loading it that way because
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that wasn't the case by the end of this operation. For the first time in my career,
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by the end of this operation, we began asking questions, we've never asked, which is, who are we
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working for? What is going on? And why did it turn out to be that there were two seemingly
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adversarial parties trying to employ us to go after these HVTs? So what happened?
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So my team and I worked in coordination with our contact for this particular task.
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There was obviously another team involved, which is an intelligence team. Most of our intelligence
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came by way of human, which is human intelligence, which is essentially the reporting of information
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by a human, by their own observation and experience. And we recovered our first two
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toughbooks. They were in the high-sea areas. I'll tell you that. And we had first deployed
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began recon on that particular target for the first two in the winter time, and there was tons
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of snow. So we continued to just observe that location in order to keep tabs on who might be coming
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and going. It's very remote. There's no way there. You're the way to get there to be by foot or
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horse or helicopter. So we did a couple snow surveys, and at the time the snow was over nine feet,
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so we had waited for the fall before we would deploy to get these first two. Are you a new man? And
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yeah, we're always armed. Yeah. Because whoever this was is potentially very dangerous. I'm armed
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when I go to Starbucks. So that's not saying much, but we were armed. Yeah. So what happened?
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So we recovered our first two toughbooks. We got back to our base location, and then went through
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them and took photographs, discovered that the hard drives were missing, which is something we
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expected could be the case. We then took pictures and detailed reports of the toughbooks and the
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contents of the casing that we found them in, and we delivered them to a very familiar facility,
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which is consistent with the company we are working for. And then we went back to task and waited
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for more instructions on where to look next for the missing components of these computers as well
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as the other toughbooks that were thought to have been out there. The next piece of intelligence that
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came through led us to a lake and high altitude lake. And we found the hard drives and it sealed
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still container 25 feet underwater. Wow. Yeah. So someone's going through a lot of effort in order
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to hide these things. But you can't blame them. I mean, this is with a lot of money if you sell
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it to the right bottom. Yeah, depending upon what's on there, it was clear that again, this is,
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it was clear that whatever was hidden was highly sensitive to the employer of the task we were on
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and to whoever was in possession of these at the time they were being hidden. Yeah. At any
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stage, did you fund yourself under threat? Yeah. So we didn't get much past that mission. We never
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recovered anymore. The very next time we went out, things got strange for me. And my spidey
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senses, my intuition was on high alert because our intel contact changed the rhythm and style of
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our intel changed. I'll leave it at that. And when we deployed to the next location to begin our
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reconnaissance and in preparation for going to have a look around, the intelligence began to change
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last minute. Also, we were given a partnered air asset instead of using our own. And we took it
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in good faith. And as we got closer to the day in which we were going to deploy intelligence kept
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changing. And so that raised my concern. We ended up going anyway. And when we got there,
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the HVTs were gone and it was clear that shots had been fired and I'm going to leave it at that.
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So when I got back to our home base after that, I made contact with our dispatcher, let's say,
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and said, we're out. We're done. And I needed space to breathe. We then deployed our own air
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assets and we got the hell out of there. You felt you were in significant danger? Yeah. And I was
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concerned that we were being set up, we were being prepared for the one thing that we've always
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offered employers. And that is possible deniability. And that we were perhaps going to be the hidden
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hand that gets severed. And that perhaps we were the ones who may be responsible for capturing
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that sensitive material on the front end. Do you think that you and your team had come under
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suspicion for the videos? Is it as simple as that? I think that's very likely. Or we were a suitable
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path. I do have to put one thing to you. Yeah. Because it's an incident that I've been told about
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from 2004. And I've been told about it by multiple people. I've been told that a private aerospace
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company was testing one of its own vehicles, what's referred to as an alien reproduction vehicle,
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an ARV in the colloquialism, that vehicle crashed somewhere south of New Mexico, possibly in Mexico.
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And I'm told that a team from that private aerospace contractor was deployed. And while they were
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there, another team arrived from the US military. And they had innocently been deployed by their
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government to intercept what they thought was a potentially anomalous craft. And in the course of
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that encounter, I am told to men were killed. Can you comment on that incident? Yeah, there's
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nothing I can add to that story or comment on. If I did have something to add, if I had knowledge
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of that, it would certainly be something I would expect to get squashed by DAPSER.
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And quite possibly if I was involved in something like that, I probably wouldn't show it for one
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of my other reasons, which is maintaining the privacy and quality of life of my friends and family.
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It's too dangerous for you to talk about potentially. It certainly would be.
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Yeah. Can you speak more broadly without referring to that particular incident,
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speaking broadly about the implications from the program? Do you believe people have been hurt or
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killed as a result of attempts to protect the secrecy of this whole venture? Yeah, it is my
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understanding and belief that unfortunately that is true. People have been murdered.
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That seems to be the case. You were in a situation where what you were doing was plausibly
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deniable. You felt under threat. You were asking who you were working for. Who were you working for?
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Yeah. For the first time in my career, let me start by saying that for my entire career, both in
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the Air Force and as a contractor afterwards, I've been very well taken care of. I was given time off
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to get my head right when I needed to. I was given time to take care of my family when my wife had
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twins. I've been very well compensated. I've been trusted in everything that needed to be laid out
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before me when put on certain tasks was as advertised and as promised. That all changed in 2018.
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And I cut ties and built, had to get rid of everyone on my team and build a brand new team from scratch.
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The same way I always had, but we cleaned house. And I went back and recruited through very reliable
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sources. The type of team members I always have from the places I always have. And we set out to
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try and figure out exactly who the adversarial parties were that were both interested in these
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laptops. And again, it was obvious to us at least who the employer was, but they were now in
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question in my mind as being part of the problem we ran into. And it be claimed clear to me after
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working in this world that perhaps it wasn't this company. Perhaps there was someone in mid-level
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management or someone completely external that was masquerading as representatives of this company.
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And they liked wearing their merchandise. Okay. So we came up with a plan and I decided we're not
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going to ask questions down here. We're going to go to the top. So I reached out to the director
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of security for the particular organization and a sister organization and set up a meeting
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with them and went and spoke to them directly about our operation to find out which was true.
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Because there was only two truths in my mind. Either they were complicit or they were compromised.
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So either their company and their chain of command was compromised, meaning the top had no idea it
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was going on at the bottom or they were complicit. This mission that we were asked to do was
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directed from the top down. So the question in your mind was was this a rogue operation?
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What did you find out? Well I found out that the people at the top claimed to know nothing
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about it and they didn't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole and they advised me to leave it alone.
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So this leads you to the possibility that this was a rogue operation. Somebody was asking you to do
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things, dangerous things where your life had been in danger or your team members had been in danger.
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This is a good example for everyone watching as to how something like this could be kept secret.
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Because you could think of me as again I'm just a security and transportation specialist.
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Everything else I'm speaking to and that I know about I gain just from my own knowledge and interest
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of being in the environment. But I speak to a lot of things that aren't necessarily my specialty.
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I'm on the very fingertips of this thing which is part of why you haven't heard from me before.
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I operate in the shadows by design. I'm the fingertips of this thing. I have first hand
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accounts of working with these crafts and in these organizations. They're up here at the shoulder.
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Like our friend David Grush has worked at a very high administrative level. He didn't know who I was.
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He had to find me through the process. And so there are things that the shoulder is intending to do.
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We're going to use a joint analogy that ends up being facilitated by individuals on the fingertips.
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There's another joint in between. That's the elbow. This is that mid-level. Something could be
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dramatically redesigned and repurposed at the elbow joint to where the mission of the fingertips
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is not consistent with the mission of the shoulder. When you confronted the head of security for
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that unnamed private aerospace company, what was his reaction? Was he nervous? Oh, he was nervous.
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I mean it's quite unusual for you to go and knock on the door of a very, very senior person
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in such a huge organization. Yeah, no, he welcomed me and this is something that we had
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we had made arrangements for. Right. But was he perhaps freaked out, frightened when you
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confronted him about what you told him? I know. I'd like to think I know how to make myself come across
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disarming. And so he told you to forget it. We had a lovely talk actually. It was very
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personal, very congenial. And he shared concerns. Maybe he, like I would go as far as say he had
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more concerns than I did. And he was at a point in his career where he didn't want to deal with this
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anymore. He was making changes in his career to try and think distance himself. If he had any
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knowledge at all, it was clear he's trying to distance himself from it. He didn't want to get
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involved, but he did provide some advice on where we should go. If you look at the inspector general
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function of any organization, that is certainly a place that he recommended we go, but he made it clear
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that there were some inspector generals that may be a better place to go than others.
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And is that what you did? No. I didn't do that. Why didn't you go to the inspector general?
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Because these are the oversight agencies that the US government has set up to properly
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investigate these kind of abuses of power. At that point, you got to remember like I had lost
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all faith and everything. I was starting at ground zero. I even fired my whole team and was
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rebuilding my own network from the ground up. So at this top of it, I'm a fingertips guy. So
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my knowledge of the shoulder, I was not going to, I didn't know who to trust. So even going to
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an inspector general, the expectation would be for me to just spill all. So I hadn't done my homework
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enough to where I felt comfortable going to an inspector general. And I wasn't sure that
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that was going to provide me the outcome I wanted. So what did you do? So the first thing I did is I
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began expanding the list of people whose opinion I was going to ask. And through that process,
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I found myself reaching out to the one thing that was always my get out of jail free cart, which was
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I knew if anything got bad, I could go to members of Congress, particularly Senate Intelligence
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Committee, the monitor for the CIA, and plead my case and ask for help. So we started there.
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And unfortunately, that was a very disheartening experience because me going there asking for their help,
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very quickly turned in to them asking for my help. You kidding? No, no.
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Which was extremely disappointing to say the least. But they were scared. They were scared and
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they were running into their own problems of being in fear of they were being harassed and they
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were afraid for their own personal safety. So people investigating this UAP legacy program for
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Congress were feeling threatened. They were feeling threatened. And other people they were speaking to
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as sources were being threatened. And so they very quickly after learning who I was,
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it was, began asking me for personal protection and for strategies to mitigate threat.
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But you're not getting the help you need? No, I'm like, I came to you. So that pretty much
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was a devastating moment where I'm like, shoot, we're all alone. And it was unfortunately
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a much more grave situation because what it indicated was that our Congress was not only ignorant
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to the subject. They were neutered. They were neutered by what they could do about it. Why? How?
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I mean, it's in your constitution, Jake. The constitution shrines the idea that Congress
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rules everything is accountable to Congress. Congress needs an enforcement arm. So laws without
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enforcement don't exist. So Jake, hearing your story about a psionic program inside the legacy UAP
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retrieval program makes me think back to cases like the 1980 bent waters incident where at an RAF
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base, a royal air force base in the United Kingdom, Christmas, 1980, a craft allegedly landed
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in an adjacent forest, the Rindlesham forest. Yeah. What do you think happened there? Man, that's one
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of my favorite cases. Once I began looking into the history of this thing, that's one of the ones
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that stood out to me, especially when you think about where we are now. I'll tell you this,
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if bent waters happened tomorrow, like this thing would be over with. Because they couldn't
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conceal it. No, well, you couldn't conceal it, but it's just everything we're looking for has
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already happened. Like your book, for example, in plain sight, if you just look, it's so obvious,
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but that one case has everything we need. And I don't know how anyone can say there's no evidence
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of extra terrestrial. And maybe they're hanging their hat on the, that's why we have non-human
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intelligence. Maybe they're trying to hang their hat on this one little narrow place they can
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slip through, which is things are not from outside the planet. I don't know how they're doing that.
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But whatever the case, what went on at bent waters has everything we need. It has
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firsthand experiencers, people that have made physical contact with the craft. The most reputable
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people in the Air Force at that time working on a nuclear facility, OSI shows up immediately.
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The Office of Special Investigation. The Office of Special Investigation.
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And that's a USEF force office. Yes, people are sworn to secrecy. People, it happened on
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multiple occasions. There's multiple sensor data that goes with the first hand witness.
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What do you speak for the money? What do you speculate brought that craft down?
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Well, I'm certainly speculating. But after my experience, I think what may have happened in
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that case is it may have been a craft that was attracted to a psionic asset or was being operated
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by a sound. If that craft was ours and it was being operated psionically, there's this thing called
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link loss. Link loss is it's a common phrase used with drone operation. Drones are or UAVs, as we
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call them, unmanned aerial vehicles. Or UAS, they're also called that unmanned aerial systems,
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are operated remotely. In the off chance that there's a disconnect between the operating system or
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the transmitting side and the receiving side within these craft, it's called a link loss. And when
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that happens, our man-made systems are designed to RTB or return to base, or they can go to designated
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landing sites in a link loss. So that same system would be deployed because commonly what happens with
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a psionic asset who is using a form of intuition and consciousness to connect with the craft,
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there's a disconnect we call it, which is like link loss. I can tell you when we run exercises
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using the psionic assets in an intentional environment to get samples to the ground, we intentionally
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disconnect the psionic asset so that the HPM systems can be energized because there are some
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potential issues that can happen if the psionic asset is still connected to the craft when it's hit
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with any MP or other HPM. I'm told I'm told part of the consciousness can stay in the craft.
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Yeah, it seems to be the case that the human being can suffer some form of cognitive injury
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by still being connected to that craft when that craft is de-energized.
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There is a case at the Refbent Wars during the Refbent Wars incident in the United Kingdom.
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There was an Airman called John Barrows who was exposed to what we now know was an extraordinary
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amount of gamma radiation, dangerous radiation. He suffered quite terrible injuries but had a terrible
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time persuading the difference affairs that he deserved medical assistance because he couldn't prove
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that this was an occupational exposure to radiation. Well, I can tell you, I came to know the name
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John Barrows because I've been seen by the same doctor as him, Dr. Gowin Olin, for the exact same
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reason. So what happened to you? We're not quite sure but the first time I got exposed to what
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in hindsight is obviously a radiation exposure of some kind is we were transporting HVTs.
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Hi, value targets. Hi, value target which are at this time was a large sealed container.
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I'll tell you I was near the continent of Africa and after this particular mission,
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me and everyone on my team got extremely sick. Hasek. Like physically ill in the hospital.
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Within weeks after this I'd lost every hair on my body which they'd call an alopecia,
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migrating alopecia. And I also lost the skin on my arms. So the skin's actually falling off your
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body? Yeah, like not just falling. I like it. It was lopping off within a couple of days like a
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severe sunburn. This led to a series of all kinds of other what I have learned since being with
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Dr. Gowin is autoimmune issues. I ended up developing a severe heart murmur that I'd never had before
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which is the same thing that John Barrows had. And throughout my career I would have reoccurring
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autoimmune dysfunction when exposed to other things. I ended up recovering from that at the time
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and because of the nature of my work was classified the VA was only dealing with symptomology, not
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causation in the treatment of my injuries. And I didn't even really understand that it was radiation.
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So were you treated for radiation poisoning? No, I was not. Are you being now? No, I'm not being
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treated now for radiation poisoning. But you're being investigated for what sounds like a radiation
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explosion. Yeah, because I had other occurrences later in my career after 9-11 when I left my
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illicit capacity and went to work as a contractor. I've had other episodes where I've had other illnesses
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and I've had I've lost the hair on my body and patched out several times. And to me I don't know if
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this my fear is that there's something permanently broken that might show up in the form of cancer.
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God knows what later in life and we're going to be way behind in trying to figure out how to deal with it.
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So I am I did leave the service with the service service service the service connected disability
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through the VA. And so I'm I'm getting treatment through the Palo Alto VA under the supervision of
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Dr. Gary Nolan right now. And he's dedicating his expertise and his clout to get me the best treatment
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now Professor Gary Nolan is one of the world's top immunologists hugely respected scientists who
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has as I understand it he's spoken publicly that he's been involved in a program for an intelligence
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agency investigating Havana syndrome. Yes. So does it give you some comfort that you're now getting the
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medical help that you should have got all those years ago? Hell yeah it does and plus he's got the
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best bedside manner I've ever experienced. But clearly because of the covert nature of the
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job you were doing you weren't told what you'd been exposed to. No no we we transported what we
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called mystery boxes all the time. I have no idea it could have been empty it probably wasn't empty
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but we don't know what was inside the boxes. And what were you told if somebody tried to seize
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that box? What was I told? What were your orders? We we maintained the authority to use lethal
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force if anyone tried to seize those boxes. So whatever that box was it was extremely valuable
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to the US government. That's correct. I have to say Jake the the idea that you would be so
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recklessly exposed you know a person who's clearly patriotic somebody who's clearly been a
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highly trained operator at the elite levels of special operations in the US military. It offends
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my sense of decency that employers would expose you to something so recklessly. Can I put on my
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speculative hat for a minute? Sure. Okay so if if the Air Force let's say knew that what we were
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working with that night had any type of radiological signature or could turn on or turn off there's
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a whole set of process that we are we're trained in on how to deal with that from a hazmat perspective
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and a containment perspective and a measurement perspective on our person to detect the level of risk
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that might be associated. And the fact that none of that was was apparent that night tells me they
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didn't know what was in the box and it got turned on or turned off which leads me to believe in
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hindsight all these years that it may have been something of non-human origin or exotic. Let's
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just say exotic it may have been something exotic that activated or still had some fallout let's say
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that they were unaware of. Are you the only person that you're aware of inside the program who's
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suffering health effects? No no not at all. How many are there? More than me and probably 51% or
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greater I would say are suffering some form of health effects. Yeah I'll just say that just so
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you know it's more common than it's not. That's heartbreaking. I mean we ask men and women in
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service to do so many things the idea that because a program is secret you wouldn't get the
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hit. Yeah I'm gonna push back on that a little bit I don't think this is this is something that's
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unique to the program is we keep saying I would say 51% of more of the people that come out of the
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military have and they sacrifice their bodies for for good reason that's part of what we're willing
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to do. I mean the ultimate sacrifice they say is death which we've all agreed to do is to give up
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our life so anything less than death goes in with that obligation that we gave up voluntarily. So
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the military at large or anyone that works in this capacity in the broader service of our nation
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they they get injured especially doing it 30 years. In the course of your high value target
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investigation you met Dr. Stephen Greer. Yeah yeah I did. What was the purpose of meeting Dr. Stephen Greer?
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Well first of all I'd like to say that you know you could say what you want about Dr. Greer but
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the guy's been 30 years ahead of everyone else on a lot of the details of this subject.
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So a lot of what he says is correct. To me he's like the bent waters like we had everything we
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needed in 1980 and now we're fishing around for morsels of that. This guy he's been ahead of everyone
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and what I find quite funny is the one thing he gets the most shit for is the one thing he's
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probably most right about and that is his CE5 protocol. So CE5 is when he uses meditation and he
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claims it engages telepathically with the phenomena. Yeah that's his term for it like we don't use
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CE5 we don't use Dr. Greer's protocol no to other people in the program or subsequent programs.
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So CE5 is real. Yeah we're going to use his term I'll take what is real is is the ability to
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go into something like a meditative state and summon UAP and pilot UAP. That is real that's a
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hundred percent real. Wow I have to process that for a moment because that is just the most
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extraordinary claim. Yeah well we hope to prove it soon. On what basis did you approach Dr. Greer?
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My understanding was that whoever was in a legal position whoever was in illegal possession of
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these HVTs may have the intention to expose that sensitive material as a whistleblower.
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You would consider that you might take it to Dr. Greer? Yeah I was still working in my official
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capacity of protecting the sensitive data that was on these HVTs. That was my job at the time.
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So Dr. Greer was scheduling here a whistleblower conference in DC and was holding a large event at the
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press club in Washington DC. And so we reached out to him. One of my teammates made a bump with him
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in the Virginia area and shared with him some information to Peaky's Curiosity and to also
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bonify ourselves as someone he should maybe consider listening to. And we set up a meeting and I
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explained to him upfront what our intentions were that we believed that there were whistleblowers
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that might come forward with something that is sensitive and it may not be appropriate to disclose.
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And I asked to become, asked to be put in a position of authority with him where I could vet his whistleblowers.
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So we offered our service to help vet whistleblowers at the time thinking our guys who ever had
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these HVTs might show up with the clients. Did that? Nope they never did. But it was on this trip
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that we were what was interesting at the time is we were contemplating our own whistleblower path
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forward. Because of what had happened. Because of what had happened. It was happening at this time.
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And so what surprised me is during this event a young marine named Michael Herrera came forward with
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a very particular story and spoke of a particular operation that we were aware was taking place
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or operations like it let's say were going on. And I saw this young guy get up there
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and it just spoke to me. Call it my intuition that was blessed. I was blessed with that night I made
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contact with non-human intelligence for the first time but my intuition was on high alert
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that night. And when he spoke I knew what he was saying was true and no one else was believing him
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and he was wrong about a few key things that he was speculating on. And so I made the decision
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after he spoke to go to Dr. Grier and ask to speak with him privately. So let me summarize very quickly
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what Michael Herrera alleged. He was on a relief mission in Sumatra, Indonesia. They were deployed
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he and his small patrol to a particular area and they were helping find people who needed help.
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Yeah. In the course of that patrol they were carrying weapons. That's something that's
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being vigorously disputed by some of his colleagues but he's adamant that he was carrying weapons
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and they stumbled across a craft, a gigantic craft many many many meters wide hovering in the air
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and below that craft there was a platform with trucks forward 150s and there were containers
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that he described. That pushed buttons with you what he described didn't he? He was told he told
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he told the Grier Disclosure Conference which was in 2023 that the paramilitaries
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pointed their weapons and threatened to kill the Marines that they were American.
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They took their guns off them and they basically threatened that they were going to be killed.
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Yeah. That's exactly what he talked about.
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Basically they were told eventually they were released they were told to walk away with their
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weapons with unchained but there were no rounds in the weapons and they were told to walk away.
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They allowed them to leave but they were told not to look back. Yeah I can't speak to all that
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and let me be clear that is never that is not the type of group I would ever volunteer to be a part of
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but I know that there are guys like that out there that get shopped out and become part of these
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programs. The particular part that that struck me were two things. One the description of his craft
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although the size was enormous I have I have no experience with the craft that size but the craft
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he designed was precisely the same craft that we had come in contact with in our operations
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within the United States and that is it was a disc with the eight gun construction when viewed
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from above. The other thing was he spoke of the containers and his initial speculation was that
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they may they must have been moving drugs because they had something on the top that looked like
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some form of HVAC system of some kind and I do right away those were the same type of containers
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we used for the site team when they're operating and being transported. So what does the container
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is useful? The containers are used for transportation of the site team and also just as an operating
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base it's a it's a mobile operating base and so this quickly went off the rails because
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for some reason the term human trafficking got put into the story after or got put into the
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minds of the people that were hearing his story after I got involved. So what did Michael Herrera think?
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He thought they were having gun running or drug running didn't he? Yeah he thought they were
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that's what he assumed they were running drugs and I knew that those type of containers when
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associated with that graph were used for the site team that's why they had many split HVAC units
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on the top provide comfortable environments inside for humans for either transportation or for
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operation you can operate inside those containers and they're sealed they're kind of like a
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fair-day cage in that regard where it allows you to concentrate if you're going to operate from
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those you can concentrate on your work as a si-asset or they're used to mobilize. So clearly
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whoever those men were they were American they were private military contractors and they weren't
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very friendly. No. Are they the people that you feel pose a threat at times to the legitimate
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operations of the program? Yeah I think it doesn't take many bad apples to ruin the batch because to
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make the point you're at pains aren't you to emphasize that generally this is a well-run operation
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that runs on ethical boundaries moral boundaries. My primary message is my primary message that I
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want to get across is that this mass vilifying of what's referred to as the military industrial
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complex is a very bad idea and there are very good people that work over here not just good the
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best the best and brightest that America has to offer and the goods and service that are provided
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by those organizations which fall under the military industrial complex are the goods and services
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that make our country the greatest in the world and we benefit from those under daily basis and so
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to mass vilify it on mass is not only I mean that's a crime in itself but it's a shame and we're so
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hungry to people are so eager to quantify where their threat is coming from we want a bad guy
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and this this is not an entire cabal of bad guys there are a few bad guys like it everywhere that
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operate within the military industrial complex and unfortunately their operations get the spotlight.
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So you you you decided that Michael Herrera his account made sense to you from what you knew
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about the program what did you do I told him I told him what I believe was going on and that
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that I knew that there were operations going on Oconus in third world countries to recruit and train
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psionic assets and whether or not this was an opportunity to recruit or provide job opportunities
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to new people or he stumbled upon an operation in which they were currently be deployed and maybe
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they had to evacuate themselves from that area because of the natural disaster who knows but
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that's all speculation. There's two applications that came out of that firstly we're recruiting
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psionics from Indonesia a foreign country yeah are those people given are they voluntarily going
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are they yeah that's my understanding they're very well taken care of you have to you have to
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think and this is where the human trafficking idea was a was a very unfortunate turn in in Michael's
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story especially after my involvement with it because now oh great now we got this guy that
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is at least somewhat indirectly informed that there's a human trafficking operation and when we
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talk about human trafficking we think of sex trade and all kinds of other things and this is not
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it at all I'm there's my understanding that the programs that are conducted to recruit psionic
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assets in third world countries these people come willingly and if you were to go down there and
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try and liberate them with any type of you know liberation army you would be liberating people that
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don't want to be liberated they get very well taken care of they get fed there's actually a
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sense of pride especially within the Native American communities that have been involved in this
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program that do cooperate outside of Konaise as well there's a sense of pride with this skill and
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ability and so again this is another example of it's almost like we want there to be darkness
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in this area and there is not darkness and I'll tell you by nature of my experience as I shared
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non-human intelligence itself does not operate that way and so these people that that are whose
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skills are nurtured are basking in a glow of light I would assume most of the time when they're
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doing doing their work for them it's a very positive experience very engaging spiritually with
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this phenomenon yeah so you say they're basking in some divinely beautiful frequency in order
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to do the work properly the implications from what you're saying are that if Michael Herrera
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is telling the truth if he really did see a gigantic octagonal craft floating in midair with no
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visible means of propulsion in Indonesia in Sumatra you know I think 2009 yeah it suggests that
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a private military contractor working for an aerospace company was operating some kind of reverse
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engineered vehicle yeah it's certainly possible I would say especially based on what I saw I dealt
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with a much smaller version of an octagonal saucer this was a bigger one I could certainly see that
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being possible can you answer me this question have you seen any alien reproduction vehicles any
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replica vehicles made from non-human technology I honestly can't tell you with with certainty
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once we get into the space I can tell you what I know has been human what has been non-human when it
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gets into the high breads I just don't know can you tell me how many retrievals you've been involved in
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no you that's a classified thing yes can you tell me were the remaining I think four hard disks ever
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recovered the four toughbooks to my knowledge now we stopped at two so there are still four hard
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disks containing containing potentially incriminating material at large so or somebody else was
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hired in the neighborhood covered up is it a question mark in your mind that maybe it was a foreign
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adversary power that was trying to procure this incredibly sensitive evidence certainly possible
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was there a name for the psionics was there a term that you used for there's a term we used
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which is what p3 program why the p3 there's three p's it's the psionic predisposition potential
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p3 yeah now that's not an official program name I did you'll find anywhere that's why I'm able to
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from your understanding of the kind of people obviously who were capable of psionic ability
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obviously there's people of native american background people from third world countries that
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are deeply spiritual that appear to have this capacity to engage with the phenomenon
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was there any other group that was especially susceptible to being able to engage with this
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technology yeah kids children children it's been suggested to me that left-handed gay men are
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particularly good at it yeah that certainly seems to be the case that there is a larger distribution
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of the predisposition amongst children and gay men for whatever reason the demographic when compared
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to normal society within the program that gay men and kids and females are more more often seen
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as having the predisposition for the psionic ability I'm again exploring the boundaries of where I
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can go and you you might want to say no comment to this but I'm going to put it to you anyway I have
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another source inside the program who has told me that one of the aerospace companies holding this
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tech at one stage relinquished a craft to the u.s. government saying that they hadn't been able to
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successfully reverse engineer it and it has been put to me that this was a lie and that they have
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in fact got a fully flying intact reverse engineered craft I've heard the very same thing from a
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very reputable source so I would I would believe that's true the implications of this are that there's
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a whole secret program involving potentially energy technologies anti-gravity technologies that
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are mind-blowing yeah it's fun and then it is fun yeah I mean I guess the the message that I'm
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getting from you is one of kind of optimism yeah I'm very pleased to be at a place where this
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is becoming fun again you know when I when I started this journey 30 years ago in a 17-year-old
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kid as I shared with you my intentions were very simple and clear I wanted to jump out of airplanes
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kill bad guys and make my grandparents proud somewhere along the way things got very confusing
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and very complex we're now at a point where things are very simple for me again and I see clearly
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what I want to do with the rest of my life and I have my why and fortunately because of my experience
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I have the how I have the capability and we over the last two years while we've been hiding out we've
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been working to find a way to bring this operation out of the shadows and into an open environment
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where we could build a public private partnership with full transparency and explore all of these
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things that have been explored in secret in a way that we can start from scratch but we may be
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60-70 years behind what everyone calls a legacy program but I'm telling you we're going to catch up
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very quickly and the reason it's going to work is because we have all of the people like me that
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have been working there we've I call it the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen but we have been
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recruiting guys from within the program and women and and those who are associated with the program
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in a very open way and have formed and are forming a new team in coordination with
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government agencies the two we would want the most coordination with are coming on board with us
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and we also have the funding through venture capital can you name those agencies?
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not at this time but I hope to very soon you know we have some really important meetings next week
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and I hope that after that I'm going to need to ask permission at a just good faith with those
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folks to see how how much they want to be I guess a lot of people watching this might be worried
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that you're getting sucked into say an intelligence agency or a military agency that is going to
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try and shut you down yeah well or it could be where we're just the we're just the legacy program 2.0
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and this all goes underground again I'm giving you my promise right now our organization is called
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Skywatcher we are part of what has been defined as the Explorers Club and it is full of people who have
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the best intentions in mind and there's going to be accountability with there there's not going to be
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transparency and I know that sounds like a lot coming or sounds like could be a load coming from a guy
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like me with my background but you know I'm not going to be able to prove it to you in this conversation
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but I'll say pay attention and I'll paraphrase quote from the book of Matthew and say you will
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know them by their fruits so stand by and judge us for our fruits you've been really touched haven't
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by this experience it's touched you spiritually yes it has there was a gathering at Esselam
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okay and a lot of very high net worth individuals who were interested in suppression of non-human
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intelligence attended what happened I think something epic happened I think something happened that
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if it was fully documented and understood would go in the history books I had a feeling last week
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that was historic it felt absolutely historic what you had was a combination of the world's leading
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like most frontier scientists you had people that were top experts in all their fields and then you
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had a variety of fields that was outrageous we had neurosurgeons doctor and neurosurgeon we had
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physicists we had high net worth individuals in the billions that were extremely open-minded and
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had a frontier attitude towards all this we had mystics we had psychic kids we had children
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from Germany that could harness and actually showcase their ability to perform telekinesis their
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ability to psychically see things with their mind and we're able to prove that to all of us we also
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deployed some of our psionic assets that we've used and are part of our new team with sky watcher
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and we summoned you AP we had the uap come and fly around and visit hang out with us and take off
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and I have to say I surrogate too yeah and it was profound it's a spiritual experience
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and what you're trying to do now is replicate in the private sphere what's being suppressed
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in the public sphere yeah you know we we're not looking back you know we could
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we can leave the bad actors of the past we can leave them with their lies we have no need for that
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we're looking forward I am absolutely confident that we are capable of generating the type of
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high quality sensor data and photography and film evidence that everyone is wanting
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I'm also confident that if we continue on the path with our with our government agencies
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that we're going to get a craft we're going to get material in hand I know it's possible it's
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just a matter of working out the logistics I'm just I'm just exploring this with you the implications are
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that this one part of the black world of the u.s. government that is being hidden from congress
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hidden from some president I know yeah working on retrieved alien non-human technology yeah
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it's being kept from the knowledge of the American public and yet they're they're being funded
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with taxpayer dollars billions of taxpayers dollars if you believe it yeah what do you think of that
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well it doesn't sound right does it but you you could probably tell that same story
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around a number of other things they have nothing to do with aliens and unfortunately that's
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the government and the world we live in but the exciting thing is the thing I find breathtaking
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from what you're saying is you're saying as somebody who's come from that black world yeah
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screw the secrecy I want to say it a little differently um the us the monopoly the us government
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has on the subject matter is not respected by the non-human intelligent spirits um again the
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skies are not classified and your conscious cannot be redacted and ultimately why I feel safe
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and why I feel optimum use optimistic about the future is I know that the NHI is guiding us that way
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can you explain how it is that you're not authorized to do this interview but you ended up
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applying for adopter I think our audience might be confused they might think that this is somehow
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an authorized interview and that there are people in the defense department pulling the strings
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telling you what to say and that this is some kind of disinformation operation yeah that's uh
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that makes a lot of sense to me but you know for what it's worth I can tell you that's not the case
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I mean the adopter process is is very interesting um it's way more casual especially on the oncent
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that you might think uh when you take into account the ramifications for for violating the mandates
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that come out of it and the subject matter that it's supposedly protecting but um you know they get
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put in a really tough spot um and this is part of something we aimed to take advantage of I guess
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you could say by interrogating the adopter system um one of the things I haven't shared yet is in our
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effort to find out who we were looking for one of the ways we came up with on how to do that
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was to query for who might want to redact statements we intended to go public with through adopter
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so you filed I think a fictionalized account of some of your experiences to dopset yeah so um
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any author or anybody that's going to be contributing to an author to put something in writing
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or to share it orally like this um has to go through the adopter process if you ever held a security
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clearance um working for a government agency in the subject matter that you are intending to go
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public on so right off the bat there's a tell right there the fact that I had to go through adopter
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tells you I had a security clearance on the subject matter right there so there's their first
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failure of poker face um and that's exactly what we set out to exploit and so we came up with a
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reconnaissance mission the reconnaissance mission looked like this we were going to write a detailed
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manuscript as fiction through a ghost writer um when we completed that it was about 120,000 word
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manuscript we broke that manuscript into actual sections that we called episodes um because
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adopter wants you to complete or submit the entire document we submitted our first 20,000 words
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our first um 10,000 words which was 20 pages um and within that first chunk of information we
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included four types of information um and that information's purpose again was to inform us as to
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what they considered sensitive and the SMEs which stands for subject matter experts um that they
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were outsourcing the information to because what they do in the DEPS process is they send it out to
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all of the agencies that might be affected by you going public on something even in a fictionalized
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manuscript and they say to them is there anything in here that needs to be redacted to protect
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national security that's correct and it could be it could be you could present it to them as fact
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or fix and it doesn't matter the context but more importantly if it's protecting national security
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and it's redacted it has to be a legally authorized program doesn't it?
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Yes it does so this this is what we use to set up our four categories of information that I
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want to get through with you. Category 1 we included in that manuscript information we knew was
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classified that we were privy to um and we knew that was patently classified on a very high level
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information category number two was information that was classified but we knew only existed within
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the hearts and minds of the operators that were at the fingertips of that operation.
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Information category number three was information that was classified but you may be surprised
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to learn was already in the public domain and open source source because of the nature of the
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internet there are things that the DOD and its partners would say that shouldn't be out there
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but but it is anyway so we put some of that in there and then we had our fourth category
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information which was the most fun which was where we took a little liberty and went fishing.
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We took our information that we knew was compartmentalized connected it with other information that
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were these fact islands we were aware of because of our I won't say how um and then we took our
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own creative liberty at connecting those two dots through a particular pathway as to why that might
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exist and filled that space with other fictional classified information. What happened?
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Six months later it took six months. We came back with seven pages of redactions of all four categories.
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Wow so one that confirms there is a classified program relating to this information.
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Wow now there was a counter play here so although that was informative I have to tell you when
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they came back our intention was now that reconnaissance mission having bird fruits was now going to
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inform how we went back and edited remember this was the first 20 pages of a of a multi page I would
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say the first 10,000 words of 120,000 word manuscript we were then going to take that information
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and write around it in order to extract more intel through the dobser process.
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So you were running a counter counter surveillance operation against the very organizations?
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That's a red team's best tool right there. You were doing op 4 opposition force. We played three four
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five dimensional tests. So you played multi dimensional tests. So even though they know you and
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your team were thinking about publishing something they don't know that you're speaking publicly on
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national television about the legacy program. That's a good question. No they don't but it doesn't
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mean I was limited to do that because I have to tell you about the counter play. So there is a
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although they have no poker face they're in a really tough spot because not redacting information
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means that if they just if they just chose hey this is sensitive but we're not going to
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redact it. Well now obviously that makes it into the public domain but by redacting it they
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prove that it's sensitive. So they have no idea as to how you acquired the information they know
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based on your security clearance and your background because it had to be submitted under my official
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name it's a social security number and my record in order to get triggered. That's how they know
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what SME's to send it to. The SME's who I work for squashed all kinds of stuff that I went to
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one of the other SMEs I work for they squashed their stuff and it came back with all these squashings
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in the form of black ink. Now let me keep going because the counter play for them would have been
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to let certain information go so that it could be formally categorized as not sensitive and the
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fictional liberties taken by an author of a fictional book. So they could do that they could have
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done that but we didn't really see that. What they did do however was they got a sense they were
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they got on to us they figured out what we were doing and they said stop you cannot send anything
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else you have to submit the whole manuscript and we told them well that is the whole book we're
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going to release this like episodes of a special this is the whole season but we're going to release it
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in episodes so we have to send it to you 10,000 words at a time because that's how it's going to
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be released and they they were kind of caught there and they didn't quite know how to respond. So
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I can tell you that since then and this was a 2000 corrections this was 2022 I think believe in
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January when we first submitted the manuscript and they they haven't gotten back to us on the
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rest of it's still sitting there. Do you think that there are people in private aerospace who think
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that it's inevitable that eventually the story is going to be fine? Yeah I know there there are
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and we have a lot of people in private aerospace that are part of our SCARC Skywatcher program
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that have come on the side. Just echoing the point that you made earlier that the military
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industrial complex is not one big monolithic organisation that says the same thing and has the same
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view there are people I know inside the military inside the intelligence community and you've
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been one of them who basically think it's implausible to try and keep this secret and more over that
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the public has a right to know. Yeah it's it's going to come out it's all coming out it's coming out
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probably like this year. So you think yourself the public has a right to know this information.
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Not all of it no. What sort of things need to be protected do you think?
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Let's anything that affects national security. I like we have to be careful of what we wish for
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like we don't know what we don't know even me I don't know what I don't know and if we're at the
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point where we have so little trust in our government that we're just going to there's a reason
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it's called catastrophic disclosure. Catastrophic is not good for those calling for heads any more
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than it's good for those whose heads are being called for like we as a public do not want catastrophic
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disclosure. What we need again there's a few bad apples we need to maintain our institutions we
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don't get rid of them we need to find a way to get the right people promoted to positions of power
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and trust and we already have that it's called the gang of aid in congress they're a big part of
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that right now it's not functioning that way but we're not going to change we can't change
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the structure we need to get the right people into power into positions start looking into it
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and again you don't need to rely on the government it's already there like what we need to know is
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this we need to know that we're not alone we need to know that there's a profound spiritual
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component to our existence and that's just for the sake of our own fellowship is creatures
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sharing this planet but also there it's there's an extreme amount of utility in our ability
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that has been suppressed forever so if we could learn how to use that and also for those that
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are keeping the secrets keeping a secret is a bad way to try and study something we need an
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open source we need all hands on deck all brains on deck all consciousness on deck in order to find
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out how we can exploit this in the best of ways in order to come up with things like zero-point
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energy let's say until we do so we're going to be stuck with the same problem we have been for
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all the civilization and that's a battling for limited resources and if we could solve that problem
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by something that might come out of disclosure that would be something I say should be disclosed
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things relative to national security no and we can't trust ourselves we can't say give us all
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of it because we don't trust you we have to put trustworthy people in position and let them make
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that decision and let me ask you this way then do you think the public have the right to know
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that we are not alone yes I'll say yes to that and the thing I find shocking though
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is that the most beautiful thing that you've described to me the most exciting thing
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is what I think our audience is going to have the biggest trouble with is believing the idea
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that human beings have the capacity to do things with their minds that have been suppressed yeah
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I've just kind of smiled because that's makes it more entertaining for me because they're going to
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be shocked but you know what they I think I don't think that's necessarily the case I think there's
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more people that believe it they're just not talking about it and I can tell you for a fact even
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within our world of hardened operators at the highest level guys that are still in behind closed
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doors we all know it's true and we have the most emotional talks like we're part of Oprah's book club
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I mean it's it's true and right now we're in a moment where the truth is being obvi-skated and twisted
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but the truth I'll tell you is our weapon and when we're willing to accept the truth no matter
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how profound or earth-shaking is when we move into a position of power and it's going to liberate
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this subject and you know what how fun would it be if we're right I'm not telling you it'd be
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different if the government and what was being hit behind the subject matter was the fact that there
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was an asteroid on course for earth that we there is no way we could we could redirect it or there's
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no way we could defend against it and we were all going to die in the year 2020 X or whatever it is
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that's not what's being hit what's being hidden here is something extremely positive and it's
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something we've all hoped for it's the one thing we've all looked for in all of our religions that
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we celebrate across the world it's the one thing that we want to be true of our religion and it's
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the one thing that the one common thread amongst all religions and so that's what's being hidden
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and that's what we're going to find out and you can't bottle it up the implications of what you're
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saying also are that potentially there is some kind of capacity to draw incredible amounts of
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energy from the quantum vacuum you've seen it I've seen it there's also obviously the capacity
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to use propulsion systems that are far beyond what we're describing yeah that seems to be the case
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as well anti-gravity anti-gravity they know about it anti-gravity zero point energy
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those secrets are being suppressed from our knowledge I've seen demonstrations recently
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that again proves that the government doesn't have monopoly on this they have while they have
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we know that they have been working on it they've seemed to have been doing a good job
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in keeping others from making their own independent progress but that time is changing
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independent progress is happening right now and it's coming out that's why I'm so confident
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we don't need to rely on their body of lack of evidence let's say we don't need to rely on that
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like it's here like the shift has already happened there's people in Silicon Valley and around
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the world that are so financially independent so intellectually independent and yes so emotionally
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and sionically independent that they don't need the government to tell us those things but we
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still have to work through that do you think the aliens the non-human intelligence wants us
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humanity to know about their existence yeah I do believe that that's the message that
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that we're getting so you felt that you're so happy you connected and there are others that I know of
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that are being sent that message directly and they are extremely confident so Jake in early October
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you made the decision on the invitation of the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence to go to
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Congress and give evidence yes I did how was that day um it was great it was a it was nice to finally
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get it done and it seemed like by the time I went I held out so long that by the time I got there
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there a lot of people that already done the heavy lifting like Dave and others and so
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they're like okay we know we don't know and we know that we haven't proven to be the most
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we they know that they don't have they can't offer whistleblowers the protection we know they need
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which is my primary objection the entire time is that they offer protection they have no way
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of providing it the no enforcement path they've got no enforcement they can't protect me
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um and so things had certainly changed what was the reception in the room what kind of comments did
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you hear well for the most part it was fantastic you know there was eight or nine people um I'm not
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gonna say versus me but it was a one v nine situation where it was me and there and then I had
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at times seven to ten people a few had to come and go because we went for four and a half hours but
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um it was all years it was listening David Grush and Commander David Fraver gave evidence to
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the congress along with Ryan Graves the two F-18 pilots set with David Grush and gave evidence to
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the congress last year under oath and they insisted on doing it under oath to emphasize the
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veracity the truthfulness of what they were saying if you were asked would you be prepared to do
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the same 100% and I told them that uh told congressat during our time in the skiff now what impact do
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you think you had on the people listening in the room at the senate select committee for intelligence
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well we laughed we cried we had a lot of serious talk so if anything I I would think I came across
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sincere um keep in mind we were scheduled for a two hour block we went four and a half so they were
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definitely engaged they seemed like they were sincere sincere in their effort to find out what's
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going on why hasn't somebody like you with firsthand knowledge of the program come forward so
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definitively before that's a good question and that's what I kept waiting for more to come forward
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I feel uniquely qualified to come forward at this time because I know we have this private venture
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coming and I've already been begun negotiating with those government agencies who I thought
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may have come after me let's say um if they had ill will and it's been proven to me that they don't
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so there are government agencies that don't know about this program that are aware of the obvious
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illegality of parts of it yeah I don't know if it's that it's every department has within it a
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responsibility to deal with shit in the sky flying around that we don't know what it is I mean
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just start in the FAA for example which is Ryan Graves is a particular case he's he's trying to
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advance is that you know there is a safety of flight here there is an aircraft separation issue
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a collision avoidance issue in the air if there are things flying around in the sky and the FAA
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doesn't have a way of managing that um or producing safety reports on it we've got a big problem
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and the problem gets much bigger from there and so while we like to speak of the government is
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the government it is not one big cohesive machine that works together and so every department like
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the FBI like department of Homeland Security like Border Patrol um department of defense
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you know they have or their own niche responsibilities in order to make sure things in the sky aren't
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our adversaries aren't carrying payloads aren't causing safety of flight issue and yeah aren't
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they also have a responsibility to figure out whether or not aliens are visiting the planet
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and you think they are yeah I do so the truth is out the truth has been out for a long time
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what would you like to see happen like what's your dream you've seen this technology yeah you've
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felt the sincerity of the intelligence that you were engaging with what would you dream of what's
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your aspiration for the future you know what'd be really cool is to be driving down the highway
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look up and see a billboard advertisement for the United States Air Force recruiting kids
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into a career field for UAP research and study for psionic exploration for piloting
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technologies other galaxies like that would tell me we've arrived and we are at a place where
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clearly the public and the government are working together because the suppression of this secret
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it's not just suppressing technology and weapons which I can you know as much as I don't like the
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idea of it I can understand why somebody might have made the decision to do that it's suppressing
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spiritual knowledge that you think the public's got a right to know well and here's where I would
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say we need to respect the fact that we don't know if we don't know imagine weaponizing consciousness
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we don't think of in this story we're telling we're assuming consciousness is the good benevolent
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harmless thing that should be disclosed everything we've researched and understood imagine if it
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is the case the consciousness could be weaponized and that people like the president of the United
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States could have could be under mind control that's a huge problem and imagine if someone could
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independently develop we already see this problem withdrawn we are so out of control with the drone
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issue that drones can fly around with a payload and cause mass casualties because we don't have
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it under control the FDA doesn't we just unfortunately we don't have the the CFRs the
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code of federal regulations and the people hired to deal with something like drones imagine if we
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had to manage and police the benevolent use or the weaponization of consciousness that could be a
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really big problem have you done any operations yourself retrievals or operations involving the
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legacy program in Arizona no have you seen the rubber duck video which was shot by border patrol
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from a surveillance plane over parts of the Arizona desert yes do you know anything about that
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object i don't i don't know anything about it are you aware of any underground bases yes have you
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visited any yes so they exist they do can you tell me anymore no Ross you can't play me for trying
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no i don't blame you do you know anything about the phoenix lights since i'm very yeah i'm
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familiar with that story i remember hearing about it when i was a kid and going yeah well that's
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interesting but not believing it but now knowing what i know it seems very clear to me that that was
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a legitimate and non-human intelligence that had flown some sort of craft over phoenix which raises
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the question all over the United States right now US Air Force bases are being buzzesed by what they
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called drones yeah and funnily enough nobody's seen one of these and been able to recover one
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because so-called electromagnetic pulse weapons don't work on these objects whatever they are not
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all uap respond to the same weapon systems it raises the question is the phenomenon making it
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self-war overt do you think is it trying to wake us up certainly is to me in my experience but
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you know it's hard to say i don't know how to how to look at that from a completely objective
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i don't know i don't know how much it's shown itself over the decades and centuries because a
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lot of people watching this said to say you're pushing them up against a barrier of doubt
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indecision stigma and taboo that's been attached to the subject for 80 years a lot of people aren't
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going to believe this what do you say to those people um i'm not here to make anyone believe anything
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it's exhausting like either you're gonna get it or you're not gonna get it like we have we honor
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in our own capacity we've operated sky watcher already me and my team on the very first outing
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someone to white egg and broad daylight and why i have pictures of it i'm happy to share with you
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we calculated this object to be traveling depending upon the slat range distance
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anywhere between three thousand and eleven thousand miles per hour based on the size
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we're still analyzing the data we collected from the range and we're happy to show that to you
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and so what else could that be there there's this there's this other way of looking at this like
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we can put all this information before you and you could say it's not this it's not this it's not
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this we're at a point now where the amount of information is so overwhelming the probability that
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any alternate alternate explanation for its existence is there is so much less than the probability
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that what i'm telling you is exactly what is going on you want this investigated don't you
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yeah i wanted i want to do the investigating that's what we're doing i want to do it but would you
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quite like to see as a result of this story would you like to see yourself questioned and held
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to account for evidence and and test it your allegations yeah um we have an opportunity right now
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to work with the u.s. government and and as a private partner um the place where we operate right
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now we've been successful before in conducting our whole operation all five phases of it um the
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u.s. government has shown an interest they know where capable they know what we've pulled out of
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the sky it's consistent with the egg and everything else i've told you about um and what they're
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offering to do now is give us exclusive use access to facilities um because they don't know what's
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going on department there there are departments within the broader branches of the three letter
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agencies that aren't being read into what other sections are so they want us to help and because
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we're one of the few groups of people that have experience and we provide them a path to redemption
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so this is where we're real there's a real message here from you of incredible optimism about what
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this could represent yeah this is why i know disclosures coming and guess what it's going to come out
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in the most beautiful way i believe the united states government in the next 12 months is going to
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use me and my team as a peaceful non-judgmental path forward to disclosure they're going to help us
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conduct our operations and gather evidence in order to present this subject matter to the public
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so that these questions can be answered once and for all and all the questions i'm talking about
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what do the craft look like how do they operate who is operating them how are they being operated
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and where are they coming from we should be able to answer those questions probably entirely in the
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next 12 months can i put to you there is a dark state there are people who don't have good intentions
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who want this secret to remain suppressed aren't there it seems that way yeah are they going to win
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no they're not going to win they're not going to win they're we've we've passed a tipping point
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there like i said when you're talking about these people they aren't organized um you become a
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dark person by having by being filled with more vice than virtue virtuous people win people
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full of vice they lose and they're dividing amongst themselves they're on a syncing ship all of the
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good people that are in these organizations realize they're in a position they need to make a
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decision as to which side they're on and despite having all this leverage and threat that they have
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that's being held against them they're making the decision to move forward are there people
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inside the program who you know will come forward when you speak up yes um
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i know i'm going to serve as a huge catalyst and that's going to be an exciting day the things
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i'm talking about are going to be you know Dave did a great job of paving a path
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i'm going to come along and try and improve upon that path and widen the road i expect the next
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people that are the next groups of folks are going to be coming down this path are going to blow it
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wide open do you worry for your safety for your family safety no i don't i don't i think i'm being
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protected believe it or not by the n hi and also i don't i don't put up with harassment i don't
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believe in the boogie man i am the boogie man you know how to help yourself yes yeah so
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somebody comes after you they'd better watch out it probably be the worst decision they ever made
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their life i intend to make it that way clearly at the heart of all of this there's been an 80
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year cover-up where we've all outside in the the normal world been told that this is nonsense aliens
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aren't real telepathy is nonsense how do you deal with that how do we reverse decades of stigma
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and taboo you inform yourself why are we relying on these people that have been keeping the secrets
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to let us in on the secret why don't we make their secrets obsolete by capturing the evidence
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and becoming all first hand experiencers of the phenomenon and the technology
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because that's possible and from what you're saying Jake Baba that's a beautiful experience
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yeah there's a most beautiful experience that had in my life would you like to see your kids
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one day doing that work my kids are already are believe it or not
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