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I want to shift gears for a second.
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You have just a compendium of incredible historical interviews and interactions with some of the people who are the most important people in UFO history.
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I want to talk about Philip J. Corso.
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You have maybe the last interview with him alive.
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He obviously wrote The Day After Roswell.
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He was head of the Pentagon's foreign technology desk.
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He was a witness to the creatures.
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Maybe he was a witness to the creatures.
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He says he was, but in The Day After Roswell, that was also co-written by William J. Burns.
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And that might have been...
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But no, but I interviewed him and he told me about when he was taken in at Fort...
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Okay, so they started the journey in Roswell by truck, I believe it was.
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And some of the debris went to right pat on an airplane, but I think the bodies, according to Corso.
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There was a stop along the way.
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In any case, he said that he'd heard that there were some bodies and they went in and they opened up with the caskets and he saw the body from the Roswell.
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In early July 1947, Corso was post-duty officer in Fort Riley, Kansas.
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There, he claims to have seen a body transported from an airbase in New Mexico.
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I went back and there was five crates there, like five or six, I think it was five.
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I lifted one up and here's this body there and floating in fluid.
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First, I thought it was a child because it was small.
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Then I looked at this head and all.
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This was only happening in a matter of a second.
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Then I put the head back down and the head was different.
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The arms were spindly.
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So right at that moment, I figured, I don't know what this thing is.
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So like an intelligence business, I just better put it in the back of my head here and wait to maybe in the future I get cooperation so I can evaluate what it is.
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And you said that in your interview?
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Yes, it was really funny actually because when I went to the 50th anniversary of the Roswell case that took place in 1997 in Roswell, New Mexico, and it was a scene because we had like members of Congress.
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There was Congressman Schiff, I think it was, who was saying like, I don't know what's going on here, but I've been getting, you know, I've been getting like stiff-armed by the Air Force, you know, and I'm making inquiries.
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And why would you fly, you know, a weather balloon under armed guard, like, you know.
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And he noted that all of the Roswell stuff was deleted.
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All the archival material in the government.
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Sent him to an agency knowing that agency didn't have anything.
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And this was all happening.
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More people were coming forward.
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And then boom, this guy, you know, Philip Corso, who apparently, according to him, he told me this directly from his mouth to my ears.
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He said that they rushed the book to print with William Burns because they wanted to make the, they wanted to ride the coattails of the 50th anniversary of Roswell and all the attention it was getting.
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And that there were a lot of discrepancies in the book that he was upset about that, you know, this is what he told me.
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And, and I, uh, when he came to Roswell, there was a flurry of activity in one of the hangers and he was surrounded by all these news reporters.
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Oh my Lord, you should have seen.
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It was a feeding frenzy.
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Like, and I'm looking at him and I'm like, I got to get, I got to get an on camera statement.
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But I was just a little kid with a camera and I was like, you know what?
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I'm just going to elbow my way in there.
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And I, I fought my way in there and I got my camera and I asked him a couple of questions in the movie.
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I'll give it to you.
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And, um, and then the next day I found out where he was staying, what hotel he was in.
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And I, I just like, you know what?
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I went to the reception and I said, oh, I've got a meeting with Philip Corso.
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Can you, I just forgot what room he's in.
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You know, and I went to the room and, um, oh, we were expecting you.
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Like, you know, and, uh, oh, really?
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Like I was like, so we sit down and we do an hour and a half long interview, whatever it was.
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I don't know, hour, hour and a half.
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Got a lot of stuff out of him.
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Again, I'll, I'm happy to provide whatever you want.
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And, um, and then Michael Hesseman arrives, German guy.
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And he was late and he was all sweaty and flustered.
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And apparently he had scheduled the interview that I got with Corso, but he showed up late.
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I showed up, I was in the right place at the right time.
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So I got this sit down interview with Corso when Michael Hesseman should have had it.
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And as it turns out, he was all flustered and he was late and he had no sound gear.
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So I gave him my sound gear.
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Cause then I got about an, I would say it's about an hour and a half.
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And he talked about why he's coming forward.
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Cause it was grandkids.
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And he's like, I'm old, I'm going to die soon.
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But you know, I want the world to know this thing happened.
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And I remember thinking, cause there was a lot of controversy after he died and he was
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no longer in a position to kind of correct the record, I guess.
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I looked him in the eyes and I really did believe him.
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And I think I still believe him to this day.
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And I think he got a really bad rap and maybe it was too much too soon.
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But he told me I'm coming forward for my grandchildren.
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And he goes, I saw the bodies.
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Like he looked like a little kid, big head, big eye, you know, all the typical spindly
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Didn't, I don't remember that part.
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This is really strange.
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But Malmgren on his deathbed told Pippa, his daughter, that he saw an interview from
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one of the surviving beings from Roswell and that the taped, what's that?
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Taped, a taped interview, a taped interview.
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Just like abundance of clarity.
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No, no, a taped interview.
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So Malmgren on his deathbed.
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Told his daughter Pippa.
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Who's alive and a friend of mine.
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And that he watched a tape, a taped interview with a captured alien.
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With a captured alien.
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Guess what the alien said?
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He, the alien gave them the idea to do Bluegill Triple Prime and have this, you know, specialized
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x-ray system that would not only be used as missile defense, but be used to take out UFO
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material out of the sky to be reverse engineered.
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So it's that, isn't that.
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Like, like a, like a deal.
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Like giving him information as to how to retrieve the material.
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So you get into this weird thing where like.
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It's bad I didn't even say that on camera.
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Well, there's so much.
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Why would his daughter make that up?
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No, why would she make it up?
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That doesn't make any sense.
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Well, it's all these things.
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And, and, and there was kind of a takedown of the, uh, you know, there's all these people
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criticizing Malmgren afterwards.
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Well, yeah, well, I can also.
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I mean, when they're dead.
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I can also crush all their argument.
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They literally, you know, this is, uh, you know, I don't want to be too tribalistic.
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Like, I do think all of this stuff has to be thought about probabilistically.
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And like, if there are good points, please make them against this guy.
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There's no, there are no sacred cows.
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He's making an extraordinary claim.
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But this guy was an elite statesman who knew people, you know, at the top of the, of the
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chain, like literally, you know, new, new Nixon personally.
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He was LBJ, um, JFK, Nixon and Ford, you know, presidential advisor.
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And he said, he's not an anybody.
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He was, he was a little bit junior in the, in the, uh, JFK administration and was more,
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you know, in touch with Shriver.
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Um, but like, yeah, was not, was not a nobody.
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Uh, you know, talks about stories with the, you know, Russian foreign minister Dobrynin.
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His mentor was Richard Bissell, who was founded Area 51 and was the deputy director of the CIA,
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the number two at the entire CIA.
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We have diaries of his that say meeting with Bissell all over his, his diary, his journal.
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So he definitely knew Bissell.
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If he had gotten his Q clearance through the CIA, there's no way to use the Freedom of Information
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Is that the highest level clearance Q?
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Well, I think there may possibly, you know, UAP group talks about different designations
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Like, um, I think there's this like special foreign intelligence design.
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So the CIA works with the DOE and there's a counterintel division actually of, uh, uh,
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the CIA that like works with the department of energy.
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And I think there are different Q clearances you can have.
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Because DOD, sorry, department of energy.
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Cause I was told, I think it was Chris Mellon was telling me this, that they hide things
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because anything nuclear would be national security.
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So if you look at the department of energy, if you look at this, you can hide these saps
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and woosaps in the, under the department of energy.
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But if you look at the special, um, definition of nuclear material in 1954, atomic energy
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act, it's anything emitting any sort of radiation, alpha, beta, gamma, radiation, whatever.
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Upon retrieval of that thing that is restricted data.
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So it's born secret automatically, automatically secret.
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So if you're an aerospace contractor, you don't need some sort of official clearance designation,
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you know, you just automatic, you're automatically that is that a secret or that umbrella.
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So, so, so that you have this, this, you know, this blog came out trying to debunk Malmgren,
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but if he got a skill clearance through the CIA, they'd have no idea, uh, that, you know,
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they, they, you can't use a freedom of information against that.
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This was at the time where, you know, not official covers, this idea of being a knock
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for the CIA was like rampant, like a ton of these guys.
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And he was at a federal funded, uh, research and development center, um, called the IDA,
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the, the Institute for Defense Analysis, which is instituted every, or has, has helped with
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every single missile defense system that the U S has built since then, since Bluegill
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And he said in a 2024 interview before he interviewed with me, that his work at the
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IDA was actually a cover for what he was doing for the national security council in the white
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So you have all these arguments that, oh, he's just at the IDA.
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He was like some junior guy.
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Like, no, he's already talked about this.
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And his mentor, by the way, was extremely high up at the CIA.
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Do you see this is what you're really good at.
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You're really good at putting these complex pieces of the puzzle together.
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It's like, oh, this is like, that makes sense.
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And this is over here.
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Well, it's important.
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It's totally important.
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And I love the deep dives that you do.
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Just like when I put the maps up for Virginia, this witness was here.
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This witness turns out to be there.
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It's like, oh my gosh, it all lines up.
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You have a full picture.
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You have a full picture.
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Just like what you're doing on the inside.
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Like you're creating that full picture, which is mandatory for what you do.
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Like when I'm in the field, putting the piece of the puzzle together, when we met
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Italo, it made perfectly good sense.
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Cause we knew for decades that it went initially alive to
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Then it was humanitas.
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Now we have, we have to get to humanitas.
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We're working on that now.
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Like, you know what I mean?
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You're putting the piece and they're all, it's all painting the picture, right?
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Like it's incredible.
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Just like what you're doing.
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You're putting all the pieces of the puzzle together.
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Where are the different?
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And I, I'm always impressed when I watch how you do that.
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Like I'm doing it in my little way and you're doing, you know,
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It's really cool to watch.
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That was like, there was a couple of interview, deep dive interviews that you did that I was
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just like, holy smokes.
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You know, it was very impressive with Hal or was it Hal?
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That, that whole thing, just the deep dives and the stuff that you do is very impressive
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It's fun to watch all of this stuff accelerate.
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We're, we're, we're in this together.
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We support each other.
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I remind people out there that to, to, we're stronger together.
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Be kind, particularly those you disagree with.
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It's okay that we disagree.
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Nothing wrong with that.
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And, uh, you know, I'm not out here screaming E.T. from the hilltops.
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I, I'm, I'm curious.
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I want to know desperately.
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What's behind it all.
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It's easy to, it's easier and lazier to impugn somebody's motives and say that they're
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a bad actor than to actually tackle the substance.
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Or give them a platform so they can, they can cough up the goods.
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So I was going to criticize you and I'm not going to, you know, uh, I'm not going to,
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you know, continue like people give these breadcrumbs.
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I think about like David Grosch, for instance, you know, he comes forward.
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It's like, all right, well, you know what?
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You know, extraordinary claims.
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If you want to say, you know, give us the extraordinary evidence, but why not create
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that platform for David Grosch to build, to do that?
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He's scared for his safety, his family's safety.
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Like he could get locked up.
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I mean, those are real concerns that these people have.
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You think he's going to fall on his face.
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Give him the one-time clearance.
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Let him go back into a skiff.
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That's exactly right.
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Like, or put him out to testify in a row.
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Like why wouldn't we do that?
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You know, so yeah, anyway, I, yeah.
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