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The picture you showed me last night of that red glowing object.
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I have that on my phone.
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I can text it to you and you can forward it over to here.
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But that's kind of a bigger story behind that whole thing.
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I don't know if that's something that you want to go into.
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Well, as much as you're comfortable with sharing.
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I'm happy to do it because that is, if that's real, that is one of the most compelling
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photos I've ever seen of a UFO.
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I'm happy to share that story.
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And I just shared a single frame clip of an object.
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That's what I basically what I saw.
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But I saw video videotaped.
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I don't know if you got it yet.
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I'm forwarding it to you now, Jordan.
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So then I'll tell you the story about it because I footage that I've seen with my own eyes.
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So is the first time you told a story about this to Logan Paul's first time you told the
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Well, I was always kind of hushed about it for a long time.
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I mean, I would tell my friends because I was worried about it.
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I was worried about jeopardizing my efforts to get it.
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Why is that so small?
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Oh, yeah, there we go.
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So, but I've told the story a couple of times publicly.
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And the most detailed was probably when I was on Logan Paul's show because he's like,
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evidence, where's the evidence?
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And of course, I feel him.
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I feel I know it's talking about, feel the same way.
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I mean, I got some evidence, you know, I've uncovered some nice photographic evidence
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So let me tell you the story behind this because it's pretty crazy.
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I was doing my first UFO documentary way, way, way back.
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Believe it or not, they had cameras back.
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I'm old, but not at all.
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But, and I was interviewing a guy who lived on the outskirts of Area 51 in the area where
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It's not like restricted, you know, space.
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His name was Chuck Clark.
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He lived in a double wide and he was a former military guy in amateur astronomer.
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And he had a sighting of something out at Area 51.
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And remember, this was kind of around the time that Bob Lazarus story was coming out.
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It was, this is early 90s.
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I couldn't tell you exactly what year, but early 90s.
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And so Chuck and I, he was, he was participating in my film.
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It's called 50 Years of Denial.
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And we were going back and forth for several months.
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And I was fascinated by what was going on at Area 51.
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I was very curious person by nature.
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So I stayed in touch with Chuck and we communicated often.
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One day he calls me and he goes, I got something to show you.
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And I said, okay, well, can you tell me what it is?
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But I'll tell you this much.
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When you see it, your jaw's going to hit the ground.
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And he's not one front per bully.
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I mean, Chuck, because it's a pretty mellow guy.
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He goes, yeah, really?
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I said, I'm getting in my car and I'm driving straight there.
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It was like 16 hour drive, 14 hour drive.
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But I was like, if Chuck says, you know, so I get to,
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I get to the little alien Chuck lived just a block away in Rachel, Nevada.
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Go and do a double wide, super clean trailer.
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Very nice, like beautifully air conditioned, nice,
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very clean, nice situation.
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And he's got a TV and he's got a VHS tape.
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And he pops his VHS tape and he says, sit down.
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And I see two guys on all I can describe is like the typical
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They're listening to tunes, they're filming out the window,
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they're goofing off next to the, they go into like the little alien,
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they're posing next to the little alien, you know, just goof off.
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Go into the chat area 51 after all the publicity that Bob Lazar gave
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The first time, right?
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Bob Lazar's story came kind of public in 89, 89,
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92, but still it was like making, you know, people were doing tours area 51.
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There were areas that you could go to and look down onto the base that had yet
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If you knew what you're doing, you know, I mean, you can still see the base.
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That doesn't happen anymore because they bought that section too.
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But anyway, they're goofing off.
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They're posing next to the T sign, blah, blah, blah.
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And then all of a sudden, the cars parked, they're in the car.
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The camera is on, probably the arm rest.
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It's not like level because it's just caulked a little bit.
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The cameras filming the dashboard, a little bit of the windscreen and the,
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like the heater and the vents and all that stuff.
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And, uh, and they're arguing and what it sounds to me like, you can't see them yet.
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It sounds like they're trying to crawl under the seats, what it sounds like,
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and they're arguing.
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And all of a sudden, one of them's like, it's, it's over the top of us.
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It's over the top of us.
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And I'm like, what the hell is going on?
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I'm looking at this video.
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What am I looking at here?
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And that point, this light, like this is the car.
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There's a light source above it shooting directly down.
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And it's lighting up the inside of the car, okay?
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But not normally like, like if you just had a spotlight with a helicopter.
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No, this light was like a yellowy orange.
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And the shadows inside the car, you couldn't see the light.
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You can only see the effects of the light.
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You couldn't see the source of the light.
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The shadows on the inside of the car were eerily moving around like,
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like the source of the light was on a pendulum because it was kind of like, like this.
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So all the shadows, I'd never seen anything like it.
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I mean, inside of the car, we're moving around very fluid, super smooth and fluid, right?
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It was no abrupt stop or back and it was all fluid.
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And one of the guys goes, you know, they were like, it's over the top of us.
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I don't know what the hell they're talking about.
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I don't know what they're over the top of us.
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I've no idea what they're talking about.
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I don't know what I'm looking at.
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At this point, the camera's still filming just the dashboard.
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Nobody has it in their hand.
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And I hear this, I'm getting out.
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And the guy's like, no, stay in the car.
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He grabs the camera, opens the door.
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And I don't remember, like people are just sure the camera pans up.
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You can see like the desert floor.
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You can see like tumbleweed.
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I remember seeing like a tumbleweed.
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I think I saw a tumbleweed.
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It was dark, but it wasn't like it was dusk.
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You could still see outlines of the desert, right?
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Now, here's the crazy part.
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Don't what I remember is that I'm looking at this thing.
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Probably 30, 40 feet in diameter.
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You could have easily hit it with a rock.
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It's sitting in this guy and it's.
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Imagine it's like floating silently.
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It's kind of rocking like floating like it's like a like a ship on the water.
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And the skin of the craft.
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Looks like it's alive.
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Like the molecules are alive.
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Like it's glowing like phosphorus on a beach or something, right?
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And I'm looking at it and all I'm thinking of is all the witnesses
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that I've talked to that have seen these things at a loss for words to describe
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what the hell they're looking at, right?
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Like because it looks alive.
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It looks like it looks and it looks like magic.
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Like you're just you're.
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You can't even speak.
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Like I was just like.
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Like just you know, like I.
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Chuck Clark was right.
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My job was on the floor.
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Like I just couldn't believe it.
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And then the guy operating the camera goes.
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And then BAMO the camera shuts off.
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Did he shut it off or was it just you know, like shut down the vague memory
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of something like him saying something about a battery, the battery or something.
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But the camera shut off very pretty quickly.
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And I looked over at Chuck Clark and I went.
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Like who gave that to you?
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Like I need to have that.
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