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Hello, I'm, I'm in, I had a friend who was working with me at my counseling center.
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Many years he revealed to me that he was in fact an alien and which sounded superficial
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and I mean he could have been a good liar until he was able to demonstrate that he was
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more than just a human.
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And he was friends with me for many years and I never knew it until he was able to demonstrate
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They have a unique way of showing them self and I'm just wondering if anybody else has this experience.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to a very special episode of Debriefed.
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My name is Chris Ramsey and today I'm here to introduce you a conversation that I had recently
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with Randall Nickerson.
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I just wanted to come here to sort of preface the interview.
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For those of you unfamiliar with Randall's story, him and his sister Glinda have been
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abducted multiple times.
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They were featured in the 90s on shows like Oprah and Good Morning America.
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One of Dr. Max Patience, Randall here says his abduction occurred while he was awake.
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They had put me out for a little over an hour and when I came to, um, and uh, yeah,
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This, I have a hard time with this.
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Um, because I don't want to believe it.
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It, um, I mean, it's totally made me question what life's about and, um, it's stirred my life up a lot.
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It was a very popular case of abduction which pretty much upended their lives, especially
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This day Randall has a pretty hard time talking about it and his sense basically turned his
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entire life into reporting on and investigating the UFO and NHI phenomenon.
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Now this was a last minute podcast.
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Nothing was planned.
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He just happened to be in town and out of respect for Randall.
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He didn't want to talk about his own personal abduction story and I didn't want to press
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But Randall's story isn't simply defined by his abduction.
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See Randall is also an amazing filmmaker and documentarian and recently he put out the
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documentary, The Areal Phenomenon.
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From all over Zimbabwe we were following the BBC to say we've seen something weird.
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There were three of us at sort.
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Myself, the co-pilot and the pilot in the aircraft.
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No wings, no nothing.
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In the over 10, Areal School 19th September 24th.
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You did tell me what you saw on Friday.
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There's so much thing in amongst this clump of trees.
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We saw this black figure running.
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His face was like this and his eyes were down here.
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I just thought it was some kind of failure for the tough.
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When you looked at those children they were absolutely credible.
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And what were about was it?
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Did you see them treat over there?
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There was a big group of kids pointing and making noise and shouting and screaming.
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He's a Harvard Zygadras.
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Meet Dr. John Mack, a believer in aliens from outer space.
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We came away convinced it's an extraordinary event occurred here.
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I think they want people to know that we're actually making harm on the world.
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Would you like to sing them again?
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And if you saw him again, what would you do?
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I'll ask him some questions.
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What would you like to ask them?
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I'll ask him what is he doing on Earth and what does he want with us?
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Basically picking up John Mack's work of where he left off and continuing his research into
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the mass sighting that took place in Ruiz and Babwe.
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Over 60 children reported seeing this craft and two beings exiting this craft.
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They subsequently drew images and even wrote down exactly what they remember happening.
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And I also just want to say that at times Randall during this podcast will seem a little
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bit reluctant to talk about certain things.
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And that definitely stems from his own personal experiences.
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So this is just to give you a little bit of context on who he is.
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He recently also appeared on the Danny Jones podcast and I highly recommend you check
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that out if you want to know a little bit more about his personal history.
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Stick around to after the podcast if you like.
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We recorded a little extra podcast for the interns only and you can do that by going to
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Patreon or clicking join on the memberships.
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And yeah, thanks for watching.
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First of all, thank you so much for doing this Randall.
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I got, you know, we got to know each other the last couple days spent new years together.
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Just a joy to meet you and to get to know you as a person, you know, in the future.
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A little time that we had it was just really pleasant.
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So really made my new years meeting you.
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So thank you for that.
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For those of you who don't know Randall's work, we're going to be talking about a lot about
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something that's extremely fascinating.
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One of the one of the biggest cases in history in terms of mass sighting, you know, Randall's
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a really good filmmaker known for his documentary, Ariel Phenomenon.
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And it just highlights one of the most significant sightings in human history that was ever documented.
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Initially, by like John Mack, and then you kind of picked up the torch and continued
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that and then developed relationships, obviously, with the people there.
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In this case, you know, not only is just awesome in terms of data for people who are interested
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in uFology, but for you became a really big part of your life.
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Like that, you, this case is really, really close to you.
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And so, you know, for me, it's a bit of an honor to even be able to talk about this case
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with you because I think like you'll be the closest person to that event that I'll
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possibly ever meet, right?
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So for me, this is, this is really a once in a lifetime opportunity.
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So thank you for being here.
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I mean, I really appreciate meeting you and love the magic, bro.
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It was really, I've been enjoyed our time together a lot like I feel.
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Yeah, I like you genuinely like you as a person.
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You know, that's nice.
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It's very disarming in a sense.
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And I'm like, hey, I can be myself with you.
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You know, yeah, just I appreciate you as well.
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And didn't expect to do an interview or anything.
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I'm like, hey, I like this guy.
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I know this is last minute.
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But the magic thing is cool because you actually, you know, people might not know this
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about you, probably don't know this about you, but you like dabbled a little bit in
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some slight hand and, you know, we kind of connected on that the first, first time that
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you as I already magic and you're like, oh, and like, you're like, I did a little bit
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So I noticed when I was performing to like people, I see how you were looking at something
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and how you're reacting to something is very similar to how I would react to something.
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So you already had like a mind for it and understood that there was something behind the
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I'm still trying to figure out how that got on my.
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I could get if it was one mark.
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I was like, I'm like, damn.
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That was really, really cool.
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I'm glad you liked that.
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It's a cool, it's a cool gift.
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You know, I reminisced on it on the drive home and how it's such a cool gift because you
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even said that you told me, you know, to be able to impart sort of wonder on to people.
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It's just like a really nice gift to have.
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And it just reminded me so much of that.
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And like thinking about that because you know, I forget that sometimes to take it for granted.
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That it's just a trick, you know, but I set out learning it to give that gift of wonder.
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And so thank you for reminding me of that.
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That was a really maybe thing.
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I was like, it is, I am lucky to have this sort of, I don't want to call it a gift, but
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you know, I've practiced it a lot.
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But to have that to be able to share that, people break the ice with people I don't know,
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I mean, I don't even know where we would even start with this.
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For people who aren't familiar, this was 1994.
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Yes, September 16th, 1994.
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And it was in, it was a town, right?
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Town of Rua or actually it's on the border of Rua in a, a, a, a, Gururamondi.
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But Rua is right, it's right on the, the border at a primary school.
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Basically K through seven.
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How far, how far removed from like the population is this, is this school?
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It's, it's a little bit off the beaten path, isn't it?
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You know, you get out there, there are, there are villages, you know, and densely populated
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Rua is very densely populated village.
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But it's, you know, the farmers actually started it in 91 because they were sending their
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kids to Rua, which is the capital.
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And is it the capital?
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I just, I've got, I like to double check my work.
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So yeah, the farmers were, you know, wanted to set up a school and there was a, you know,
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house and then they built the school over the years.
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And then they, you know, brought, so the farmers kids, missionary kids, kids from all over,
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you know, and the, in the villages as well, had, and it's just an amazing, it's a beautiful,
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it's like a college campus, it's huge, you know, real real estate wise.
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And it's a beautiful school, beautiful people.
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You know, it's not wealthy, you know what I mean?
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In a way, it's just not that way.
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And people don't do it for that reason.
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A lot of heart there.
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And the people that I met, I mean, all of them.
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The kids involved in the story, like when I started way in 2007.
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And slowly got to know these people and teachers and parents and everybody involved in this
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Yeah, you, you, you get to know them and love them as people, you know, I just have to
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mention because one of our, one of the kids had passed away.
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Um, just, um, it affected a lot of people.
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She was 38 years old and, um, just loved her as a creative person.
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You know, I, she's in the film and I spent a lot of time with her.
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And, um, just saw her do some really just giving from her heart to people that had less,
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you know, where we're struggling like little moments, I would see that.
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And, um, I don't even know what to say.
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I think everybody that knew her is still in shock that she's not no longer with us.
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Um, and I, I have to say to the other kids too.
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Like, I call them kids, but they're, you know, and they work it.
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But, uh, they're just, I feel like they, it's not been easy for them, you know, to come
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forward or have me tell their story, you know.
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And then all these other people come in with different intentions.
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Because, you know, when I was working on it, I was, I knew it was a great story.
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And then when other people found out they kind of jumped in like, oh, yeah, we want
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this, you know, and they didn't have the same caring.
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They see money signs.
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Money signs in fame.
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You know, that was not never my purpose for clearly.
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I mean, even with you, you know, you look at the final product, you can tell, you know,
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there's, there's, there's heart there.
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There's heart in your interactions.
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And, you know, I mean, it's, there's one thing, there's one thing that I'll say, first
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I'll sort of your loss.
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I'm sorry for, oh, for that.
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And I know that I know that, you know, I heard that you guys were very close in Luigi's
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well, who's fear off camera.
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By the way, who's also their family.
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I mean, yeah, they're, that, that they're an amazing family.
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I went to the funeral and oh, my God.
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Like they are just tragic.
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I mean, there were tears in that.
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I don't think I've been to a funeral that I've heard so many people crying.
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See, a lot of effect on people and anyway, but the family just put our love and respect
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That, you know, as someone who is coming into this space with, with, you know, intentions
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to shine a light on some of this partially for my own curiosity, you know, admittedly,
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but also to give people voice and make this a little bit normalized and stuff.
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You know, I have good intentions going into this, but there is a sticky sort of situation
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that you can put yourself in when, when speaking to experienceors because the last thing that
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I want to do is feel like I'm exploiting anyone.
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I think, I think just like extremely important to be aware of because, you know, when dealing
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with people, you're not only dealing with people who are, who've seen something amazing,
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you're dealing with people who are, you know, traumatized.
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And you know, the last thing you want to do is, you know, be pushy or be like, but, you
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know, from, from your angle, coming into this, like how aware were you of that?
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Like a probably, I mean, hyper wear is my guess.
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But like, did you, like, how did you navigate that?
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You know, just like being very honest with them, like, I'm not here to, I'm here to really
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Like, I'm not here to exploit it or to kind of understanding that what it was was, was
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I mean, anybody you talk to that's had this happen.
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They're going to remember until the day they die.
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They will remember that time.
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And that's the kind of experience is in it affects your whole development, depending on
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how old you were, whatever, it happened.
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So just trust, you know, trying to say, you know, I really want to hear what, what, what
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It's been hard, I think, throughout history because people really don't understand what
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The ontological shock of having, like, that's not supposed to exist or be real and all
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of a sudden, you can't go back there anymore because you've seen it, you've seen it and
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it changes a lot for those people.
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You go through so much, but that people don't realize it's sort of callously misunderstood.
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And in that process, what it happens is those people, you know, over time say, I don't
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want to talk about it anymore.
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People don't understand.
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I'm not going to talk about it anymore.
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So they get quiet over time.
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The more they are public, the more you pay consequences for that.
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And it's unfortunate because it's really important to what witnesses have to say.
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And I mean, that's a great point.
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And on top of that, you have also people trying to actively shut you up.
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You know, which is like the counter, you know, energy to that.
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You got people who are like, no, you need to share this.
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And you got people who like, if you share that, something bad's going to happen to you.
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And so, you know, that's such a murky territory to to navigate as a filmmaker, as a documentarian,
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but also as just a person trying to talk to somebody with an experience.
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I mean, it's just such a touchy area.
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It's very important.
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And with children, even more so, I think, right?
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How were the parents with all of this when you were, you know, were they involved?
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Did you see any pushback?
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There was, well, it's mainly around religion, right?
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And then it depended on the fascinating thing about the school was the diversity in that
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school, religious wise and people from all different colors and backgrounds from different
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It was a really interesting mix of people.
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You just don't really see a lot of schools.
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Yeah, it was very international, I would say.
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And you had, so you had the indigenous people and you had missionaries and you had government,
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their children, you know, just all over the place, English.
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Australia, you just had every, so anyway, the pieces, that was interesting, you know,
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and then how each parent and the parents or how they interpreted it from what they were
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So, yeah, you had a few parents that were very pushing back big time.
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You had a lot of parents that were, that, my child, you know, were very supportive of
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their children like, this is not, my child would not do this, right?
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Like they knew their children well.
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And they stood up for their children.
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Like, that was, like, it's not even in the movie.
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So much footage and interviews that I did that just didn't, it would have been a three
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I know we've been, that's the next thing.
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So, you know, we were wanted to do the director's cut.
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That's, that's difficult though, as someone who, you know, I do a lot editing myself.
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Like when you're, when you got so much, you know, quote unquote, gold, you know, in, in
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a project, like chopping that up, it's got to be tough.
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And they call it killing your babies killing your babies.
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That's, yeah, that's what I say too.
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Is there, is there any scene in there that you kind of regretted not leaving in?
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Is there anything that you were like, maybe that should have been in?
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Not, I mean, for that time, no, we had to get it to, you know, it was an hour and 41.
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Was that the mandate?
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Yeah, basically an hour and a half.
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90 minutes and so we're in a, yeah.
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So we were a little over that, but that's the best we could do without.
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And it was, we had a three hour solid.
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And so given the time constraints, I think it was well done.
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Chris Seward was amazing at editor and story editor.
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But it was a challenge whittling it down once we had the three hour like, tan, this is
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really, really good.
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But, you know, people have to use the bathroom around that time.
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That's kind of why it's all I see based around that and the tensions man.
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But, yeah, the, the, there's many scenes.
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You know, I was just showing Luigi and a few other people, the scene with Emily making
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the decision to go to Africa, which we didn't include in it.
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I mean, but it's just, I love that scene.
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Well, yeah, we shot at that Norad up in the scene of Doth, I think.
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So, yeah, there's so many of the scenes and, you know, we had a good half hour just on
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the spiritual, the native native, uh, indigenous, um, chiefs and medicine men who we went to
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And Emily went to see several of them with us.
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And that was a very large piece that, um, was really well cut together, but it was a half
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Just that, um, because that's fascinating.
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This is not new to them.
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They weren't surprised by anyone.
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They've seen them themselves.
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That was amazing because I'm shooting about Ariel.
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And then the chief starts talking about, like, little details.
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And I'm like, oh my God, he has seen them himself.
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Like, and I'm, and I want to stop everything and go, well, I want to, I need to take this
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guy in to us, you know, and I didn't get chance to do that, except with a few people
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of a few of the medicine men chiefs, the village, you know, doctors, basically.
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They were so familiar with it.
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It was just how was it?
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And our fact, like, the fact that, like, was that comforting to her?
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Was that, yeah, yeah, very much.
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It must have been like so validating being like, oh, finally, someone who gets it, like,
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So we, in the movie, we, we show bits and pieces of that, but it was much more in depth.
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And then they, yeah, that was, I mean, fascinating for me.
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To be over in Africa, three trips I went, by the way, just three times I was, I spent
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a year and three months in Africa living there.
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What was your favorite thing about Africa aside from, I know that the people is amazing
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and the scenery is amazing, but what's, what's something that just like you took home
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When I wasn't doing interviews, I was, I'll drive itself driving savoury.
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Or are you seeing like, oh, God, everything.
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They got everything out there.
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Like, lions and stuff.
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I was out there for days and days and days.
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The between interviews, I'd be like, okay, I got, I found this child or person, one of
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the witnesses or their parents or somebody else that witnessed it in the area.
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And I'm like, okay, I've got three days and I would go into a park, you know?
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I, when I first got there, I went on a proper safari and I learned as much as I could.
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And then I started meeting more people that basically were telling me, this is what
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And then I got up enough courage to start going on my own.
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And then a big thing was camping with a bushman, camping in a pup tent out there.
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That is, you're here and all sorts of stuff tonight.
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Like we were at the campfire, you know, you set your truck up for the range rover and
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then your tent and the fire in a triangle because you need to, you know, defences.
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You see the reflection of the, the eyes of the hyena.
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They come up, you know, up to the 50 feet away from the site and they just lay down and
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just watch for opportunity.
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And then you hear the lions roaring and you can hear them from miles and miles away.
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They're so loud they rattle your chest.
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So once you, once that fire goes out, you better be in that tent or the vehicle.
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So we were, and it's a, it's a serious, I have not had anything more serious than that
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It sounds there's certain rules.
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You know, you don't allow them to see you.
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They can smell you, but don't leave.
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You can't leave anything open, windowed wise.
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You can't be like on your phone with the light shining your face at night type deal.
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You can't let them see you.
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Cause if they see you and smell you, they're coming.
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Oh, it's just, yeah, it's a whole different.
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And if you're near anybody of water, you get to worry about the crocs cause they come
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out some land at night.
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Wow, they'll go like a mile away from the water at night.
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And they got to worry about hippos, rhinos, elephants, everything, everything okay.
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It has the potential to do that.
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But you know, so funny, you'd be camping.
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Sorry, I'm going on about this.
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No, it was, it was, it was, it was just magical.
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Something weird about being there was like, I kind of know this.
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You know, you felt familiar.
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It oddly felt like I somehow, at some point I, I was familiar with that feeling.
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And it felt like home and a weird, I've never felt that.
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It was like a past life type thing, maybe.
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Yeah, I just, I've never felt that anywhere like that.
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So yeah, that's, what was the, what was the night sky like there?
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I mean, I'm guessing because of the lack of light pollution, you must have had like
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some amazing night, like sky watching.
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You ever seen anything out there?
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That's all I'd be thinking about.
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I'd be like, seeing that many stars, checking satellites and whatnot.
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The thing about everything's backwards because you're upside down on the ball.
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So the sun rises in a different direction.
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You see, you know, a Ryan upside down.
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You know, the moon rises goes the other way.
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It's when you really pay attention, you're like, wow, this is, I'm on the bottom side
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And so your perspective is completely, that fascinated me.
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And the skies are just so dark like you can see everything.
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I try to spend as much.
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They spend a lot of time outside.
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I probably would too.
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Oh, it's pretty fair.
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The only thing you, you do have to worry about is the everything killing you.
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I'm going to encourage everybody to just go watch the documentary.
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I'm, you know, given a play by a place, just much better to just go watch the documentary.
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Go get familiar with it.
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You know, see for yourself the truth that is spoken by these witnesses.
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That is for me, I think, one of the most compelling pieces of evidence.
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And in today's day and age, even more compelling than possibly a 4K video because that can be
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You know, you can, you can film something on 4K and I can ask Chachy, B.T. to like,
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cook something up pretty much.
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You know, we're almost there.
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But you can't fake, you can't fake these interactions.
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And you know, as someone who's studied human psychology, you know, for magic and you can,
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you can just tell, you don't even need to be an expert.
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But you can tell when you look at someone, especially children, that, you know, and then
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I will say as well that like sure kids will embellish, kids will, you know, and lay
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it on fix sometimes too.
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But the core of what they're saying happened, this happened to them.
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What piece of information for you personally, were you like, oh shit, this is real.
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Yeah, that's interesting.
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So I, you know, I had just John Maxe material in the beginning, which was very moving,
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A lot of things I didn't understand what they were referencing because it was from a different
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So I kind of like, well, I think once I found the school was still there, and then I got
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on a plane very quickly, like I have got to go there.
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And that kind of opened up.
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You know, I wasn't convinced either way.
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I mean, I, I, I knew these people were telling the truth.
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It's pretty obvious that they're, you can tell.
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You know, I mean, people know when people are truthful.
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I was eating the bread, and having that softprint out of my eyes and behavior.
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It's hard to fake that.
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I don't know if it's even possible.
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I've never, never seen that, really.
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I got a good BS detector.
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And that's what I first saw.
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Then I was discovering more ... Well, then I, I first met the teachers that were there
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when I went there, and the first time.
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I was like, well, what do you think?
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I was like, it definitely happened.
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Like, wow, that's interesting.
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Like there were still three teachers that were still there,
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that were there at the time.
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And I didn't know what to expect.
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I was just showing up and doing like a pre-investigation,
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like, you know, and there were many steps
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like the teachers was, that was the first thing
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that I started talking to the first witnesses,
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found all those people.
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And there was a progression.
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And I kept hearing the same,
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and the eyes and the truthfulness of it,
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the directness of it,
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that it was kind of a step process.
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In a way, the more I found out,
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and the more people I met that had seen it,
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and it wasn't just the kids at school,
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it wasn't just some of the teachers,
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it was a lot of people from outside that area,
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which also wasn't in the film, really.
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Some of the archival was there, but there were others.
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Just local interactions.
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Yeah, within a radius of that location.
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Yeah, because there was a lot of sightings
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in that area that were reported.
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And one of them was a, they,
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was a, you know, I had to look at what was going on in space.
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Because I had to look, I had to look at everything.
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Like, okay, this, okay.
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I mean, what was going on in space?
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Like, what satellite rocket bodies were coming in?
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Which, we had sent up 130 rockets that year.
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So that means every three days,
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some, something's fallen through.
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And a lot of stuff falls in Africa, right?
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They kind of, a lot of our launches end up in the Indian Ocean
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and they have actually a whole museum over there
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of rocket bodies and things that have fallen out of the sky.
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That we have launched or other countries have launched
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because they had landed in the desert in Africa.
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And so I looked into all that and that was fascinating.
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And the space shuttle was up that day.
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So this is a huge piece.
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So it was STS-64 was up in orbit that day.
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The very same day, aerial happened.
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And they were doing a, the first untethered spacewalk
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of a human being, well, from the shuttle.
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And it literally started two or three hours after
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the incident at aerial.
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Looks like you got an object right in front of you, Mark.
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You look out there and I feel like you're talking about
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It was also one of the longest spacewalks at the time.
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Also, the Russians had been up a few, like a week earlier
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and did their long spacewalk and then when we went up
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and then we were testing this untethered, it was jetpack.
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The first time we ever tested it in space.
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So you could fly around without being tethered to the craft.
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So it was a major, it's in the museum in Huntsville, Alabama.
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It's an incredible coincidence.
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I find it highly interesting because if anything,
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it was a human first for milestone.
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They're in a museum for that reason.
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They're in Huntsville, both of those safer packs.
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They were called safer.
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So that became a study for me.
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A lot of world events, what was going on at the time,
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what was on movies, what was on TV.
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I had to, nobody knows all that.
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I had to really dig deep to see.
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Find the prosaic explanation.
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Because I was good with that.
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If that was where lead, I was okay with that.
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One of the things that really moved me a lot
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was when I started to find the grade one, grade two,
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people that were young at the time, like the ones
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they didn't interview.
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Because they, the headmaster made a decision,
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which I kind of think was properly, was proper at the time.
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Because the kids, the younger kids were really much more
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So they decided to keep the grade ones and twos
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and the younger out of it.
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They didn't interview them.
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They didn't have them draw pictures or anything.
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And then I started to find those kids.
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And they're telling me what they saw
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and their perspective and their memories.
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That was really fascinating.
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Because they never got a chance to,
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to, and I had to find out, were they actually there?
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I know they were there.
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Got the school pictures.
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And that was, that was, that was, that kind of tipped it for me.
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I'm not that I didn't believe everybody else.
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That was the point, though.
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That was like when you got there, you were like,
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this is, this happened.
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It, it, it, it, it, it, it, I just remember that those interviews
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because they never got a chance to speak about it.
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And they had never forgotten it.
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And it was the same thing.
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And it was also the other witnesses, too.
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But it was just, mm-hmm.
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Certain excitement that they had talking about it.
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That was a felt a little bit different.
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Were they just like eager to share it?
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Or were they also reluctant?
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There was a lot of reluctance.
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There were kids that were, um, yeah, they, they had a, they would not share.
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I mean, there's no question it left a very big impression on them and affected their
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And these kids had also seen not just a craft, but creatures.
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And then, you know, I saw a lot of people struggling with religion, like what did this
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Was it, you know, I saw a lot of that struggle.
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So there were quite a few reluctant people.
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I found more of the reluctance from the males, mm-hmm.
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You know, then the females, to me, Frank.
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Um, it's always, it's always like that for some reason.
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Men are like, we're guarded.
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We're like, you know, more sure of reality it seems like and, and, and for some reason,
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you know, I think naturally women are just a little bit more open to, you know, esoteric
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sort of explanations of things or spirituality in that case or just open to other options.
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Maybe that softens the blow for them ontologically speaking, like they, they don't go through the
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same brick wall that we do.
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That is a thing where it's, um, males just have a very much harder, not being in control.
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And yeah, there's just, there's all a stigma or whatever you better put on men, men more
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I mean, women have their own thing too.
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It's, um, yeah, I definitely noticed that quite a bit of the witnesses.
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But yeah, it was, there was definitely moments where I was just like, oh, yeah, this, this
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definitely happened.
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There was, um, you know, obviously, just like any major sighting, there's always a sort
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of government presence that tends to impose itself to try and control the situation.
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What was it like with that?
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Did you, did you, um, I mean, I mean, I know there was, there was, there was, there
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was that, but how, how much did that deter you or inspire you to keep going?
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Um, from the Zimbabwean government.
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Well, the, the, I was, I had to be really careful with that.
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It's a dictatorship.
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Um, and, you know, at the time it happened, you know, the Tim Leach from the BBC finally
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found him and, um, in Gunter, who's the last surviving investigator who's on the scene,
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they all did excellent work at the time.
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They, you know, they really did.
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Um, um, but he had went, gone to the military to see, did you guys have this on radar?
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Um, which they said their radar was down.
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And then people would report that I think they were flying F4 phantoms at the time.
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They were, you know, hand me downs.
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Um, but people were seeing them flying really low altitude like they were looking for something
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through that whole area.
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Um, a lot of witnesses to that.
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But I, you know, when I was in the country the first time that was 2008, I wasn't supposed
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to be in the country.
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That's when the New York Times reporter got arrested.
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The, when I flew out of, wow.
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It was political violence.
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People were being killed and tortured.
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That was the, I was also, was that not, I'm thinking 2008, 2007, 2008, was that not, um,
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Was Iraq as well during that time?
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Was that before that?
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I mean, there was a lot of global.
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That was a lot of, yeah, there was, there was global tensions.
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Up and around that time.
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So I wasn't supposed to be there.
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There's a state department warnings and everything.
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And I, I stayed on a, in a shack.
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Uh, no, no, no water, no heat.
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Um, and, uh, thanks to Nikki Carter, who was wonderful, helped me through.
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She took the risk I took.
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I wish she could come on some of these shows.
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She's, she, uh, she was originally one of the reporters who also, and he's a kid.
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So going back to the footage, like I had John, only had John Max footage in the beginning.
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And then I started to find other interviews done by Nikki Carter for S A B C. You know,
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There's another guy from Germany went over there and recorded 42 of the kids interview 42.
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So I ended up with like six or seven different archival sources.
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And so that was one part of like the whole thing was just collecting what happened at the
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What did people say?
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What did each individual child, what does say?
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What did the teachers say?
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What did the parents say?
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So I had a ton of that.
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And then it was real time 20 years later at that time.
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Um, of, uh, a lot of those same people and, and a lot of new people.
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I had no idea about that.
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Um, yeah, that one, man.
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It's an intense and, um, thing to happen to so many people.
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You know, we, you taught, you touched on a little bit that this was like an international
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kind of, there was a lot of diversity in this school.
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That obviously has to have something to do with the reason, right?
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Boy, I, you know, I don't know what the reason.
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I still do not know if you had to take a stab in the dark.
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Well, I've been engine failure or would it be, it would be deliberate, wouldn't it?
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I think it was deliberate.
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But, you know, my, my biggest thing to me is what was going on up in space at the time.
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You know, I've been told, and I did find this, I did confirm this.
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Maybe from who's out publicly a lot now, a military man.
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He said, you know, there's a lot of uranium mines right around that area.
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And I, it didn't really, I wasn't out to search for the reason.
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But I did check that out and that is correct.
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You know, he's like, they're, they're really interested in nuclear material.
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And it doesn't really matter to me.
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But it's interesting that that was told to me by that person.
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So, but I don't, I still don't know.
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I wasn't out to say, I have the answers to this.
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And a lot of the witnesses don't, but they do, you know, they saw what they saw and they
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It was very consistent.
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And you know, this is just one incident out of a guy's, only knows how many around the
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world, I've met so many other people, you know, that have seen this from every single
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country in this, on this planet, same kind of thing.
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Whether there's two of them were, you know, was, and also I, one of the things I've found
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really interesting with, the research was the number of schools, primary schools, essentially,
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mostly schools of that age range that had had similar incidents all over the, all over
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And I started collecting all these newspaper clippings.
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It was all, West all, um, chilly.
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Oh my gosh, there's so many.
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Probably Brazil, I'm guessing as well.
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Then, um, then I keep hearing more about it.
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Somebody did write a press and then I believe for the book on school sightings.
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We were, yeah, he was, um, kind of doing it at the same time.
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Um, so that's an interesting aspect is the children and why, well, yeah, that's a whole
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I mean, there's also, you know, the idea that, um, if you're, if you're going to, if you're
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going to ask someone a question, right, um, and you want them to be truthful, two types
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of people you can count on is a child or a drunk, right?
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This is, you know, you don't, you don't count on a politician to tell you the truth.
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Or, or, or anyone else within agenda, unfortunately, yeah, you got to people who have, you
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know, no sort of social inhibition.
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That would be nice to have leaders that actually told us the truth.
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It really would be nice.
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But, you know, unfortunately, I don't think that's just part of our system.
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You know, so we got to, we got to depend on people like yourself to, uh, to report on
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it, you know, for, uh, for those of us seeking it.
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Um, have you, have you felt since you've been there and since you've looked into that
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particular case, have you seen a difference in how the world looks at the phenomenon?
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And has that, has that changed how you sort of investigate the phenomenon yourself?
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Uh, we were, we were in the edit room working on the final in 2017.
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We're all sitting there and there's a TV up on the, you know, there's a whole deck of
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screens up top and TV's in the center up on the news.
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And we're all sitting there editing the film me and two editors, Chris and, and Rick and
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all of a sudden, the New York time sing is on the news and we're sitting there like,
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Like it was a moment and we took pictures because we're all like, this is big and, uh, and
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we're working on a movie at the same time about this very subject.
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And it was interesting to see that transition and how it's continued to now.
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I mean, I go out, if I go out to dinner or something and I run into friends, we're talking
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Like they would, they would never, ever, you know, some of the guys I hang out are mechanics
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Race car driver, whatever.
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People that do hardcore physical stuff, they're not the one, they don't tend to believe in
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anything they can't hold in their hand.
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And now we're having conversations like that.
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I never thought would happen to be honest.
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I mean, I think it's a lot of change and then watching that change through the making
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Because when I started, nobody was really like it.
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No, but you're also, I think an important part of that change itself.
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Like I mean, you're, you're also to thank for that.
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Like there are, you've taken some steps in your life and in your career to, you know,
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obviously be public about a lot of things.
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And you know, that on whatever capacity moves the needle.
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A lot of people have.
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But a lot of, you know, people have been speaking up about this for since the 1950s.
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If you look at the documentaries from the 1950s and 60s, it's the same thing.
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They've got footage of it.
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You know, like it's the same.
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It's when I was Dan Acroid and had helped me like he did a trailer for, for me and spoke
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It's there and I know viewers that are watching this.
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They will, they will see it and they will feel kind of vindicated and they'll go, you know,
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boy, those kids are telling the truth.
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And I was telling the truth when I had my experience and it will, it's going to provide a lot of
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He kept saying he's like, this, there's nothing new here.
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We're just rehashing what we already know.
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I didn't realize it.
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What he was saying at the time until I started going back to all those old documentaries.
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It's the same story, the same things that people have reported.
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We are in a different day, I think.
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We're getting a little more truth.
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I get a kick out of it.
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Like, well, we're trying to remove the stigma, right?
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Congress and T-O-D and Air Force.
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But at the same time, there, it's the, we're going to give you a little truth and then
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throw you off a little here, but it's just like, yeah, let's, yeah.
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There's the basket to it.
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You had a, you know, back in 50s, things, whatever it was, was it, major sands and sands?
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He came forward like, and he was like, yeah.
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This is not our technology and you saying a lot of the same things we're saying today about
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the drone incursions where it's like it's not ours, it's not theirs.
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Was that leave you with?
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And that's kind of like you said, we're repeating that.
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But I think more people are listening now and I think more people are.
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And maybe it isn't even such that more people are believing it, but more people are publicly
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Because I think down to your core as you know, we're all human and we all kind of have
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the same outlook in that we don't want to believe that we're alone.
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You know, there is that desire to not be alone in this place.
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And so I think deep down, you know, we all kind of want it to some extent to be real.
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But back then you just wouldn't vocalize that.
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And so there was a lot, it was a lot easier to suppress something.
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I think in an era where people didn't find it socially acceptable to share these ideas
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Whereas now it's a lot harder to keep that in the pot.
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You know, it's overflowing, it's brimming, we're trying to get it out there now.
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And people are more willing to come forward and more celebrities like Dan Acroid.
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It's important to have these voices.
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I have only interesting this whole, the drone thing because, you know, all of a sudden
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everybody's, you know, you have just watching the skies and videotaping.
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And you know, a lot of its airplanes, a lot of is drone.
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But there's a, there's a few.
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I'm like, well, that is definitely interesting there.
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You know, so I don't think we've had that many cameras pointed in the sky all over the
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And, you know, I, I'm not saying anything, just sort of like observing like, does it
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I mean, it could be a way to throw everybody off.
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Like, oh, it's just drones people are seeing, right?
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But this has been going on for, I mean, incursions like this have been going on since
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I mean, the military base thing and these secret sites, that's a big deal.
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Like and he's back in the 50s, 80s, you know, the, well, Brentwater.
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And then he had a Moulson, you know, and even I mean, sightings in Jersey, actually,
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which is, well, big sightings.
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Interesting thing is, world, the world, that was in New Jersey.
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1938, like test bed.
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Like, that was the first thing I hit me, was like, well, that's interesting.
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New Jersey gets it again.
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How are people going to react?
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Yeah, that's just a modern Orson Wells thing going on right now.
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maybe. What the the the sightings that I'm finding really interesting are out in Arizona
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for gone. Have you heard the ATC air traffic control with a six seven pilots? Yeah, yeah.
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The radio, the communication between the pilots, this thing going coast to coast in seconds
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and going out to the ocean. Yeah.
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We're seeing three or four targets. The other all out to do's up and down is pretty great.
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I just had another one drop about my one o'clock. About a thousand feet high is lifting towards us and then back out towards the ocean.
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Red in color. Moving at extreme speed. I don't even know how to describe that.
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I'm asking for a six six one. I'm a bunch of people in the box out Roger. You are cleared to maneuver at necessary.
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I left the right to avoid the US out there and I'll be reporting to give them some information for you to.
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So I've interviewed witnesses who've seen that exact same behavior. Yeah. Wow.
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This covering massive distances and doing really crazy stuff and you're a pilot yourself. Yeah.
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I don't know if anybody knows that but that's interesting because as a pilot I feel like you're just a little bit more credible on these sightings.
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Just from that standpoint a lot. Well, you have to be I you know, you see a lot up there.
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Yeah. And you learn that's another thing I get a kick out of two like people a lot of people I've never really studied the sky and they're out there with the star link.
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Oh, I had a guy come in a couple of weeks ago. He's like, do look at this. You have a line like that's starling.
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Yeah, I've got a few of those. I mean, there's a lot to see out there and a lot to understand.
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And then when you see an actual anomaly, it's pretty clear. You know, and and then you still have to go through the process of examining and you do.
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And you just have to. But yeah, it's an air safety issue. You know, to be able to know what you're looking at knowing where plane is going.
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The reason they have a red and a green light on each side is it's crossing this way at night. You know, if you're seeing that red light, it's going that way.
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Right. Yeah, because you're up there. You're not really sure what's moving. If you're moving if it's moving. That's right.
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Yeah. I mean, that's and that's super interesting because you know, that makes like that. You mentioned even the the the Oregon pilot, you know, mentioned like when you hear something like that as a pilot, they don't that more serious.
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Oh, my God. Yeah. Cause you know, everything they're saying is vetted. It's like well, and they know that pilots do not talk like that.
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Yeah. And they're seeing something. I mean, they end. The interesting about the we're talking about the 13 minute.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the controllers, right? A senior, more senior controller comes in. And then there's a bunch of controllers.
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You're too. You want to. Can you? Can you say exactly?
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Yeah. But that's exactly what would happen.
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They're so interesting to like the community. I'm around of pilots. Like they're very, they're pretty cool people.
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It, um, pilots see quite a bit, but they just do not talk about. They don't talk about it.
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It's touchy being a pilot. You know, we spoke about this a little bit yesterday when, you know, if a as someone who has like, what is it class two or three?
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Um, you know, you got to watch what you say. Cause you could lose your license because you're, you're essentially your threat to, you know, many lives being being a pilot, a commercial pilot and commercial.
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Yeah. And so if you say like, oh, you know, I have a history of dealing with depression. Like there goes your license.
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Yeah. So you got to, you got to keep your mouth shut about things like that. And you got to suppress it. And that's really tough. And, and puts them in a really bizarre situation.
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When they're people, we're trying to count on for, you know, specific information. We just, they just can't talk about it. Yeah. That's very true. And you know, it's for class.
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Reads like, yeah, I mean, that's generally general, general aviation. Um, but the commercial pilots. Yeah. They have talked to many of them interviewed, you know, even one of the pilots that saw.
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What he saw the night before arrow and flying back. And this thing was, I mean, we were here. And we saw the thing coming from here.
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And it must have gone down here towards the free state, orange free state. This would do. And onto the east coast.
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And I had a friend of mine who's going to format on us in another aircraft. He called us in the radio and said that he could actually see us and he was coming up and he was keeping the card for him.
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And I actually said to him, well, I can see you on the left hand side of the aircraft. And he confirmed that he was on the right hand side of us.
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And I said to him, well, if you're on our right hand side, what is it we're seeing on the left? And on our left hand side was a ball of light.
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I don't know what it was. And he saw it. My co-pilot saw it. And we noticed this thing go from the left hand, went across our track and disappeared across the horizon.
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And it took about three or four seconds.
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Of course, that interview on our website.
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He showed up without any of his ID or who he was flying for because of many of that reasons. But he shared it because it wasn't just him.
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It was his co-pilot and another pilot.
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But in Africa, they'll fly information because there's just different rules over there.
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And then you'll have two commercial jets flying side by side.
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That's an odd thing to see if you're looking up.
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Well, it's just the rules are a little different. There's places where there is no radar coverage at all.
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Yeah, there's huge vast areas. There's no radar covers. So you can kind of do what you want. But anyway, it is an issue because it's discussed.
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It's discussed among them. Like being a pilot yourself, you've heard stories.
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Oh, yeah. But usually it's followed up with, yeah, don't tell anybody.
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Can you could you share one of the stories without giving away who who said it over that, give it away?
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Boy, I don't have to think about the, I spend a lot.
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I don't want to put you on spot. If there's anything that comes to mind, though, but yeah, let me think about it.
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Sure. Like the interesting thing is because they know I fly.
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We're like, we can speak the same language. Yeah.
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Like we have the same kind of understanding. They may have a lot more hours than I do or, you know, like I love these guys that have 35,000 hours.
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It's like, I've got 1600.
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Like, whoa, yeah, the big difference, big difference.
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You know, but yeah, anyway, that's a whole nother topic.
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But it's important because they don't have a voice, you know, and I'm hoping like that particular incident that was recorded on ATC.
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I hope those people get interviewed.
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Yeah. Or they're not, I hope they're not reprimanded either.
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They shouldn't be, you know, well, they shouldn't be.
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And because they have so many, you know, it's not, that's the amazing thing about it.
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I think there's five or six, maybe even more than that.
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Or I'll call them in.
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People chiming in. I know it was exciting.
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Yeah. A friend of mine sent me that and I'm like, well, yeah, that's, I've interviewed a Navy man who witnessed the same thing.
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My name was active duty.
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Him and another engineer on the P3.
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So the same behavior, like it would just go, it would come up and then it would just zoom out like a ridiculous speed.
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And possible speeds.
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Yeah. And then repeat the behavior.
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Like, what are they doing?
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Yeah. You know, it's these things.
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It's, it must be so wildly different also to see it from that perspective.
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Because being on the ground looking up is one thing.
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And sure you can spot anomalous behavior, but there's so much going on above your head.
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Right. Like you said, there's rockets coming back into orbit.
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There's, you know, there's, you know, it's got 4,600 satellites up there.
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Like, there's a lot. There's asteroids.
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There's things burning up.
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You know, you're catching reflections off certain crafts that are, you know, just orbiting the planet that are reflecting off the surface.
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Reflecting off the sun.
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So you're getting glimmers and, but being at that altitude and seeing something straight on.
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I think it's such a different and interesting perspective to this because now it's, now you can confirm that it's not in space.
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Because being on the ground, you have no point of reference.
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It's either a big object that's, you know, far away or a small object that's close, like I don't know, but being level playing field with this thing.
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Watching it go. I mean, that must be just a, just a much more, yeah.
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So like, experience even with Ariel, like, you know, the radar coverage and, well, actually they did catch it on radar on the corner of their scope.
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But they had it on their own.
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They have a like your radar and on in the plane, limited t-cass for collision avoidance for commercial.
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They picked it up on the t-cass.
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So so did those people in that clip we're talking about, out an org on, I think.
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Yeah. So they had it on their t-cass, but the radar station didn't have it on.
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So you're, it's telling you this object is in very close proximity.
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But, you know, but at the same time radar doesn't have it as a primary target.
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That's interesting because the same thing happened the night before Ariel.
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A lot of the pilots talk like I got it on my t-cass, like collision avoidance, yet you guys don't have an on radar.
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South Africa on the one pilot I did interview, they did have an on radar.
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He went to the tower right when he landed.
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Like, you guys get this on radar.
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So like, we had it on for like two seconds.
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It was going so fast that.
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We don't know what it was.
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Well, because in he saw, that's what he saw.
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Four, I think he's, yes, four seconds.
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And it completely, he's at 25,000 feet.
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So your horizon is massive.
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You know, you can see a lot of, you know, and it within four seconds, it completely crossed the horizon.
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And it kind of a straight line, not like some, a meteorite or anything like that.
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He thought it was another aircraft coming up next to him and that.
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Anyway, those are interesting interviews because the pilots are, that's they are, they have to.
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Yeah, you got to pay attention.
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You have to know what you're doing.
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Your your lives at risk, the new lives are at risk if you have passengers.
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Yeah, there's seems to be a concerted effort to within the last few years anyways,
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at least to sort of bridge that gap at the FAA and allow for commercial pilots to report these things and create this.
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You know, funnel where they can now, you know, I know that Ryan Graves is working with that as well.
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And I think it's very important and it's cool that he is working with it because he's someone I believe that like we can sort of trust on this issue.
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You know, he seems like a like a straight shooter understands, you know, some of the capabilities of these crafts and, you know, it's heard a lot of testimony as well.
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A lot of people come to him.
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So, you know, I think it's important, but you know, ultimately if you look at things like even the, the O-hair incident,
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was at O-6 or O-7 or whatever it was.
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And, you know, everything was confiscated.
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It was like they just right away shut that thing down and it was like it was a hiccup, you know.
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But that was a mass sighting as well.
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But that got controlled real quick because it happened around an airport like, you know, yeah.
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So that's the other thing is like there is a fear.
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I'm pretty sure, you know, among pilots and among air staff in general, not just pilots,
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but like, you know, radar operators and even ground, you know, crew and that, you know, you shouldn't speak of this.
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You shouldn't talk of this and true.
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A lot of people are fighting for those jobs and, right.
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Yeah, it's unfortunate because we lose a lot of information.
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That's what it drives me.
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It's like, you know, every little bit of data is important.
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Information, testimony, you know, or witness what you witness.
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Paintings of picture.
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And so many people just don't come forward.
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Yeah, that's the other thing.
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A pilot, F-111, Air Force.
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They witness a vehicle up at 25, again, 25, that is interesting because they are seen in an interesting altitude between 20 and 30,000 feet.
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A lot of them, you know, are we stay up at 35, 40,000, you know, for most of our commercial flights are up there.
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But the plot of the activities around 25, which is fascinating to me.
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Because you wouldn't see it if you were in a plane, maybe.
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No, it's just maybe.
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I don't think that's the, it's just interesting.
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There is an altitude that, that is people see that anyway.
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And they had it on their onboard radar.
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And they saw the target coming toward them.
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This is an interview I did.
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And it was on a dead end, head on collision.
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That was the worry because it was heading right toward them.
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And they were in the clouds, so they couldn't see it.
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And then all of a sudden the clouds break open and then it comes out of the clouds and it's huge.
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It's like a black cigar shaped.
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And he's estimating, you know, 700 and 900 feet long.
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And these empanages, that's what he would call them.
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Like big circle, you're a circular like hangers.
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You could look into it and you could see the shadow.
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Boy, I don't know if I should be talking about this yet.
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So, I mean, they were both afraid to even report it.
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Yeah, when they landed.
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And they did, they did, they kept quiet about it.
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But he's been thinking about it ever since 1981.
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I mean, you're so vulnerable to being up there.
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And you know, he wasn't alone.
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He was an navigator.
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He was, he was an navigator in the pilot.
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They were like, did you see that?
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You know, they're both sod.
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So there's a lot of interesting things that could seem.
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I just don't get again like that would have been helpful to, um, you know, why?
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You know, do we already know all this?
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You know, need that information or is it the concern for public panic?
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Do you think the concern for public panic?
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That's the main reason.
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That's what I've heard over and over.
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It seems to be, I mean, that seems to definitely be a reason like I mean, uh, you know,
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there's so many examples.
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If you look back in history, where ontological shock has literally crippled people and, you
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know, they've probably played the scenario out a billion times and a billion different ways
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whoever the people are in the program, um, you know, to make sure that, hey, we don't
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want to destroy the economy or start a war or whatever it is.
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But, you know, part of me also thinks that like, man, humans, humans are just greedy sometimes
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And like, I really, I don't know, this is a gut feeling, but I really feel like there
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are just like a small group of people that just don't want you to know.
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And they're just like, nope, that's ours.
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They got power or they got, you know, and that just gets them off.
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And I, because, you know, a lot of us could handle it, not the entirety of it, perhaps.
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But I think, you know, if you go around asking people, there are ways to disseminate information
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that are probably a lot more, um, that, that's a lot easier than what they're doing now.
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You know, this whole like leak and deny and like, it's just so bizarre of a behavior.
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And then like, even with like the drone stuff happening, they're like, we don't know what
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This seems like a really sloppy job, you know, if you were to give out some information,
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I just think there's, there's like an easy way to do it.
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And for some reason, whatever that reason is, they just don't want people to know.
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They don't want people to know.
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Well, it's, you know, it's already been disclosed essentially.
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People don't even realize that it's already happened.
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But you know, they don't have to, I feel the same way, like, you know, do whatever you
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guys want, keep doing what you're doing.
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You don't have to share everything.
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That there's the television life in the universe, please.
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And I think the end result of that, it's going to be shocking for a lot of people.
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And there's going to be a transitional period.
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Um, but I think everybody goes through when they actually see it or come to terms with
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And then there's going to be a lot of excitement about what you were saying, like, oh, man,
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we're not alone out here.
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That opens up space to a lot of excitement and exploration.
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And I think that's going to move us forward in a way we've never seen before.
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So I think it's, yeah, I don't know.
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There's things I probably agree that they shouldn't share with us.
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But net positive overall.
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If human, if humanity finds out, yeah, I think so.
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It's going to be some hard pills to swallow, so to speak.
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But, uh, yeah, I think, uh, I think we're already there.
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We're already, I mean, it's no accident that we're in space.
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You know, we're just getting off this planet.
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We're starting to explore.
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And of course, we're running into these things more often than these things are paying
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It's a critical stage of our evolution.
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We hit a certain technological peak.
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And now they're popping up.
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Yeah, whether it's like nuke or space travel feels like they're like, oh, they're finally
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getting out of the play pen.
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I believe that you believe they've been here for a long time.
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Like thousands of years.
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Is there any part of you that believes that they are responsible for us?
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Oh, boy, there's so many pieces to that.
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It wouldn't surprise me.
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So I kind of have my own little like speculative.
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There's some pretty spectacular things that have happened in our past that are still there.
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You know, as pyramids or, you know, just really curious technologies.
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I mean, that's kind of the, I'd like to know that.
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I think if, I think if, you know, if there's a lot of things that I think what if we find
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out or it'll be like, that makes total sense.
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The puzzle pieces fit.
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You know, um, it's like revealing a magic trick.
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You overcomplicate things sometimes in your head and you're like, well, he must have had
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this electromagnetic thing up his sleeve.
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And then I'm like, no, it's just like an invisible thread or something.
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And then they're like, oh, yeah.
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Oh, of course, you know, but we overcomplicate things sometimes because, you know, we just overthink.
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Might be a lot simpler.
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We'll make it more complex, well, from various reasons.
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To keep advantage over others or profit or what, you know, a whole bunch of things human beings
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But I find it interesting, the whole timing of all this where we're all these things that
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we have to deal with are all coming to a head, you know, we're out, we're getting off
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the planet, we're, we've got a climate issue big time.
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And then I don't know, it's just so we're at the edge of a lot of things.
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If you could place yourself behind a rock somewhere at any point in history and have like
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the best view of anything, being done, whether it's a visitation or some monumental event,
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besides Rua, where would you put yourself?
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Fly on the wall, no one will ever see you.
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You get to have the best view, you get to soak, take it all in, whatever that thing is.
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I mean, there's several.
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I mean, immediately think of around the building of the great pyramid, how it'll love to have
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seen who was involved or how that was done.
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Well, I'd like to see who was there besides the human beings.
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Um, if that, if that, I don't even know, I would just boy, that's, that's a heavy bed
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You have to see that.
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I would love to one day.
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It's just, uh, you leave there a different person.
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Because that closest I've been is a choral castle in Florida.
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So I haven't seen that.
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I'd like to see that.
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But it is, um, it's one of the wonders that for sure wonders of the world.
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I get their colossal.
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They're really just pictures don't do a justice.
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They don't like the, you know, the statue of Liberty's like, geez, it's a lot bigger than,
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you know, when you see it, you're like, eh, but boy, you see the pyramids are like, oh,
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Yeah, there's so much to like the megalithic like, yes, I've seen pictures of people in
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comparison, actually, then they just stand next to a rock and they're not even half the
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And you're just like, wait, I don't know what?
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Like it's really hard to comprehend on photo, but in person must be just, yeah, I guess it just,
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yeah, it just shows you.
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It cement that idea of how can we do this?
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Yeah, it's, it's pretty stunning.
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I'd like to, I'd like to see.
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Where would you like to be?
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I'd like to be behind a little rock somewhere in a safe area and just kind of, or maybe in
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that helicopter or whatever, just be, yeah, boots on the ground somewhere there and watch
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that, watch that happen.
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Yeah, I would love to know what was that.
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Yeah, go into the, go into the.
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What did they tell me?
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Well, there's my question.
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Well, like what, I mean, I'm sure if there was a conversation, they said some very
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I would like to know what they said.
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You could ask one question, what would it be?
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That's something you want to keep for yourself?
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You have a personal, and I think I know the questions.
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We'll do, how about we take some questions from Patreon?
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I'm just going to hit record on the other camera here once I can.
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I'm going to pull these questions up.
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This is from our interns, as we call them.
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They are allowed because they pay a fee every month.
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They get access to a lot of perks.
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And one of those perks is asking the guest a question.
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So I've only got a few here because this was like a last minute thing.
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But we'll try to pull some out.
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I think we might have answered some of these, honestly.
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This is actually a good question, and this isn't a question that is normally typical.
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So I do like this one from J-Denity.
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Do you think are the strongest counter arguments skeptics present now, specifically the
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What's like a strong counter argument that a skeptic would present something you've heard?
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And then maybe elaborate on how you could counter argue that.
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Mass hallucination was one.
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So I went and spoke to a lot of psychiatrists.
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Well, it was really interesting.
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Like, well, we don't really know what that is.
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We don't have like examples of it's not it.
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Anyway, it was okay because I wanted to see how what are the other examples of this.
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That's one that you can't just easily dismiss either because it's just so last resort.
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Well, blanket statement.
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Everybody's on drugs or something.
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Yeah, I could, yeah, is the problem with that or are the other witnesses like the pilots
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So they're having the same mass hallucination and then the people in the village are also
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I mean, it just didn't appear that way at all.
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And then I guess military aircraft.
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It's like is maybe the other one.
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It was the other one satellite rocket body reentry, which I looked into quite a bit.
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And the problem with that was that you had a lot of people and there's no question that
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probably did happen, but there was something else seen there.
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Then, you know, I'm throughout that whole week.
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Yeah, not just at the school.
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All over because clearly whatever happened to school wasn't a crash.
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No, it was not a rocket reentry.
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No, and it was interesting because I did find people that saw a reentry and I'm like,
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yeah, that's, that's, and then I found other people.
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And the thing was these were not unqualified witnesses.
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So I'm speaking, they were people that worked at the airport, people that, you know, veterinarian.
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Just different people with very, they're not stupid, you know, and they witnessed hovering.
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You know, they did, they witnessed a lot of things that are not what a reentry looks like.
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Or space debris coming in.
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So yeah, I mean, that was the other thing I had to entertain.
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Like, well, what else could this have been?
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You know, and I still keep kind of an open.
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Well, but what are you left with?
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Like that's, that's the crazy part.
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It's like, what are you, what are you left with?
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If you, you know, if you, if you take away those things, you're like, what are you left
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If you're just left with much, if you're jumping to mass hallucination, doesn't, doesn't
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leave you with many options, I feel like that's kind of bottom of the barrel stuff there.
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I mean, the, you know, the whole thing about the simplest exonlimination is usually the
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correct, the awkums razor.
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That, I do believe that is true, but maybe not with this stuff.
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You know, maybe we're, we're seeing something.
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We can't put everything under that category with something as extraordinary as this.
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And people are putting their reputations on the line.
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I mean, we're seeing a lot of that right now with these people are coming forward that
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are F 16 pilots, F 18 pilot.
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I mean, people with some serious credentials that that could go to jail if they're lying
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or, or be dismissed from or lose their clearances.
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Even if, even if Congress says, well, we got a whistleblower protection act or whatever
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it's like, that doesn't mean really anything.
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You know, if you feel like you're being threatened, you know?
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I'm going to hope they do something because that is happening.
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There is, there are private funds now, which are coming out like the UAP disclosure fund,
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I think, and some other private organizations that are gathering money for whistleblowers.
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And one of the things that like aside from life threatening interactions, they're also
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just threatening to have no pension.
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And that's like a big deal if you got, you know, family and you're trying to take care of
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And you can't enter the workforce again because your reputations tarnished.
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Who's taking care of you?
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And, you know, but, and if you see how much the government takes care of veterans, well,
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then you can kind of draw a clear line and see that, oh, you might also be left out
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So, you know, it's good that a lot of these private organizations are beginning to at least
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We have, I think we answered this one.
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I mean, I'll throw it up.
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Maybe you got something else to add to it.
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I think we did talk about this.
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What was the purpose of the aerial sighting?
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I find the interesting part and it was a very real thing or the messages they got the
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What made me really convinced like that really happened was the males that did not want
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They had had that images put into their hand about, you know, the destruction of the planet,
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Something like that.
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That's a, that was a very real thing.
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You know, I initially thought, well, maybe this is what happens when you see something
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Oh, do you start thinking about your own environment and it causes all kinds of, you know, I kind
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of explored that quite a bit.
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But when I started to find kids that were talking to me about it, but did not want to discuss
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it on camera or didn't want to talk about it at all, yet they admitted that that happened.
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That was pretty interesting.
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And so, you know, why kids, why tell them that?
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I mean, they're going to grow up.
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They're growing, you know, they're grown up now and just how are they influencing society
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from what they learned?
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They're all over the world.
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It's very common for people that have had encounters for the very same thing.
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It's a pretty common aspect to this that you're shown certain things about your own species,
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what's your own species doing in this environment.
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It kind of takes a heat off you as an alien entity too, I feel.
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You know, feel like you're like, oh, you think I'm scary.
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Yeah, look what you're doing.
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I'm going to scare you this is.
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I kind of softens the blow a little bit maybe, you know, to be like, no, no, no, we're
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You know, it's like every zombie movie I've ever watched is not the zombies.
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You got to be afraid of.
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You know, it's the people.
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Well, I mean, I was a reference to wildlife and how we, you know, animals over, or
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populate an area when they're deer overpopulate, they start to get disease and they start to
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So we call them to keep that from happening.
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You know, there's just tons of things we do with, because we can't have a conversation
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about what you're doing.
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We know a little better than they do.
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Certain things that are going to happen if they go too far in a direction.
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And, you know, that is interesting too, that like just like giving the children these
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images and talking and visiting the children, you know, they grow up.
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They're affected by this for life, you know, as you know, with your interactions with
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And then they go on to also sort of become in their own ways ambassadors for the phenomenon.
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A lot of people out there.
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Not just that incident, but you don't just forget it and move on.
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I mean, look at, even, you know, you want to look at Travis Walton, like he's not going
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to go and get a regular job.
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You know, now this is his life.
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You know, and so they must be aware that they have that effect.
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True, but you don't get paid for that.
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It's kind of, you know what I mean?
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And if you do, you get ostracized, apparently.
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But it's such an important thing to share.
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And boy, so many people and what they do have to share is really that wonder.
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We talked with magic, right?
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But it's actually real.
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It's a real, it's not pretend.
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It's not, and it's going to take time.
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But I just think of all these people that have come forward so many.
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And I don't know how we, I don't know how we treat those people properly.
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That's been on my mind a lot because they've been through so much.
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They're misunderstood, mislabeled.
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I don't know how we as a society, as a species, integrate those people.
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I mean, they should be, in my mind, they should be treated like veterans of a war, you
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know, in a sense, right?
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We're kind of making light of it.
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We leave them out there.
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You know, I'm glad that boroughs and, you know, they've gotten medical care for what
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Think, you know, that was a huge deal.
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But there's so many other people that they just don't get the proper care.
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Yeah, psychologically, I mean, yeah, and physically.
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And physically, yeah, in some cases, which has been mentioned in the hearings as well.
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That like, hey, if this isn't happening, why are we treating people for wounds?
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Like that's exposure to certain things.
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Kind of insane that we're treating wounds of a pretend phenomenon.
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No, I think we got one more here.
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Well, I mean, this is kind of exactly what we just touched on, which is synchronous.
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This is from Hex 0811.
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Yeah, is the population ready as a whole?
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I think 20 years ago, no, 30, you know, I think the so many parts of it that have made
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it possible to get to be at this point, which is the web, you know, the world has gotten
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a lot smaller, religion is not as dogged in a way that it was before.
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We're already out in space.
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There's many things that have come together, but I think so.
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I think it's what's going to propel us into the future is just say, okay, and we're going
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to have to take that slow.
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What we, I mean, that's the thing about confronting a superior support, you know, let's just say
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An alpha species is very humbling.
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And let's see what that relationship is.
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And man, we, the thing that I get, I always think of as like, what have they seen already?
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What other places have they been?
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The planets that they know about, you know, the knowledge, the knowledge base, which would
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save us a lot of time figuring it out.
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They know that though.
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Just so strange, it's so strange because, you know, you get to the end of these questions,
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and there's always something that just doesn't compute.
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There's always something that's like, this doesn't equal zero when I put them together.
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And for me, it's a lot of the why.
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It's a lot of the why.
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The why just doesn't make sense from what I've heard, you know, that's the question I didn't
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And I, I mean, that's the big question, you know, we're past the, even, even the what?
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Like, you know, or the, or the when or the where it's, it's really, it's really about
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the why and it's not like, yeah, why us?
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Like that's, that's the whole thing, right?
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Because you have to imagine that there's a big universe out there.
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There is something special here.
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It has to be something unique.
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And I would kick myself or say in this years ago, because I'd be like, well, you're just
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being egotistical, you're being human, you're thinking we're special, you know, we're just
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like everyone else in the universe, but it doesn't seem that way.
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It doesn't seem that way.
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It seems like we are a valuable, you call it asset, call it, you know, you want to call
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experiment, you want to call it byproduct, you want to call it whatever.
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But there's something extremely valuable here that that they are clearly interested in.
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Why not let us know?
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Why are they hiding that?
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What is there to know that is to our detriment that is not to our benefit from these?
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If it was to our benefit, what's the harm in telling us?
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I think I know the answer to that question.
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I think it's delicate to expose yourself to a species that doesn't not as advanced as you.
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And I think they're very, in my personal opinion, from people I've interviewed, it just,
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I think it appears they're very aware of that.
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That could be wrong.
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It could be, the co-verteness of it is very interesting.
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Because it's not completely covert.
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It's like, they could do a better job even.
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It's like, it's almost like they don't care that much.
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They kind of want to give you a hint.
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And that's, I guess, part of this whole hidden agenda that, where I guess not ready to be
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privy to and or whatever that is.
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It's just, it's just a little frustrating being, being someone who deep within understands
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that, that there could be some good from this and that, like, we'd probably, like Reagan
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said, we'd be a lot more, we'd be treating each other a lot better if we understand
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that there was something out there.
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And so it's just strange that we don't get that.
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You know, there's got to be something else then.
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And it goes back to that.
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You know, fear cells.
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Well, do you mind sticking around for like an extra 20?
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We're going to cut this one and then just do like a little, a little talk and Patreon.
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Guys, if you want to head over to obviously become an intern or a member, you can click
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We're going to continue the conversation.
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But I also highly suggest you go check out Ariel Phenomenon, incredible documentary.
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Is there anywhere they can follow your work?
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Is there a link that we'll add below?
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Ariel Phenomenon.com.
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Go support Randall and his work.
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I'm looking forward to what you got going on next.
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And you know, whenever you decide to share that with the world, I will be here and I will
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be waiting on Beta Breath.
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So I appreciate you being here.
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This has been a lot of fun.
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