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So you're going to create a wormhole on demand?
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You should be able to. That's what my research showed.
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So walk me through how do I get to Alpha Centauri by engineering a traversable wormhole.
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Well, you're going to create...
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Eric Davis, you are kind of synonymous with UFO science.
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You have an amazing background at Aerospace Corporation, Earth Tech.
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You've worked with NASA Lewis.
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Eric Weinstein, you are a math PhD from Harvard who has dared to present a theory of everything in physics.
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The alleged Roswell crash was real. There was a there, there. It really happened.
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How is it possible that something this large that involves this many people has zero incontrovertible pieces of evidence?
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Do you dispute the existence of atomic weapons because you can't access it?
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Oh, you can access it.
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I have no idea what we just did.
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It is a crash retrieval. Non-human intelligence. Non-human technology.
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How many of those crash retrieval program people have you met?
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I think it's five total. There's no physics in it.
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It doesn't make any sense.
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It defies the laws of physics. We haven't made progress. We have no physicists.
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How are they doing on this project decades in?
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This thing is not a Manhattan Project, and you know what the Manhattan Project would be.
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Not one of these proposals excites me. They're boring as sin.
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I don't like GR. Why are you not tweaking it?
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I don't have intuition on how I could tweak it.
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Are there propulsion modalities that you're high conviction in that transcend chemical combustion?
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Yeah, it goes way beyond even advanced.
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Are you aware of reports that we are being...
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...made to know that we do not control our space?
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When you see smoke at this level, the question is, what is the nature of the fire?
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There are different fires.
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But there is a fire.
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Or there's a smoke machine.
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Or there's a smoke machine.
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Epstein was running many different programs. It wasn't even Epstein probably running.
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Look, I believe we can leave. And if you believe you can leave, you have to imagine that you're being visited.
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How is this possible?
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Nothing too unusual about that.
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Dr. Eric Weinstein, Dr. Eric Davis, this is an absolute honor.
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I can't believe this is finally happening.
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I think often in this space, when we're talking about UFOs, UFO legacy, reverse engineering programs,
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you have like a wave function that never sort of collapses.
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And you have, you know, different sides saying things that are mutually exclusive.
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And truth, it never collapses into true or false.
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And I'm really excited to do this because, Eric Weinstein, you probably need no introduction when it comes to kind of a general audience.
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You are a math PhD from Harvard, premier cultural commentator of our generation,
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who has dared to present a theory of everything in physics.
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And then Eric Davis, you definitely need no introduction in UFO space,
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but to maybe a more general audience, you know, some of whom who might have seen you in this recent Age of Disclosure movie.
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You are kind of synonymous with UFO science.
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You have an amazing background at Aerospace Corporation, Earth Tech.
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You've worked with NASA Lewis.
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You've worked on various initiatives in exotic propulsion, directed energy.
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And so very excited to have you both today.
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I want to make this kind of two parts.
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One part is kind of establishing ground truth on Eric Davis's claims because he's invested,
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he's formally investigated this UFO legacy reverse engineering program.
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So I want to figure out what those claims are for the audience.
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And then part two, and this is why we have you here, Dr. Weinstein, is I want to figure out,
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and this is kind of actually a follow-up on this thing we did with Hal Puthoff last time,
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if there is a theoretical physics component to this UFO legacy reverse engineering program,
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is there physics hiding in private aerospace corporations?
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Physics you can think of as the rules of reality itself.
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That would be problematic, to say the least, if that were the case.
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And so I'm very excited to speak to you both.
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Thank you very much.
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Thanks for having me.
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So, Eric Davis, I want to start with you.
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When did you become aware of this UFO legacy reverse engineering program?
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And how did you become aware of it, and how are you so high confidence in it?
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I was working at NIDS, it'd be 30 years this July.
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And I was the director of aerospace physics and astrophysics research at NIDS.
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That's National Institute for Discovery Science that Bob Bigelow founded in 1995.
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And I was hired in July of 96 along with Colin Kelleher and George O'Nett.
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And John Alexander was already there on the staff, also served as a member of the science advisory board.
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So I worked for Air Force Research Lab after NIDS and before Hal Puthoff hired me at AirTech.
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Okay, so then during my work at AFRL and then during my 15 years working with Hal Puthoff,
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we got involved with the OSAP slash ATIP.
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And then later on, the separate attempt called ATIP,
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and then the UAP task force that Jay Stratton led.
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And using my security clearances, my need to know, my access,
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including my letter that I'm deputized by Jim Lekatsky as a representative of the Defense Intelligence Agency,
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I used all that leverage and authority to get into the crash retrieval program.
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I couldn't get access to see craft bodies or talk to the people,
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but I was able to get in to the people who handled all of that at a programmatic level
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and got confirmation that all of that was real, that all of it happened.
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And what's your conviction level in, say, Roswell, for example,
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like that being a real crash involving non-human biologics?
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And it wasn't in Roswell, New Mexico.
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It was on the Foster Ranch in Corona, New Mexico, which is 30 miles from Roswell.
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This landed at a ranch at Corona, New Mexico, and the rancher turned it over to the airport.
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Army officers say the missile found sometime last week has been inspected at Roswell, New Mexico,
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and sent to Wright Field, Ohio, for further inspection.
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I had my information I got from Ed Mitchell at a science advisory board meeting
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about the Greer briefings on the disclosure project at the Pentagon,
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and then Admiral Wilson coming back and verifying that the Roswell crash,
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well, the Corona crash actually, really did happen.
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It wasn't a mogul balloon.
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It wasn't a raw wind radar test balloon project.
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It wasn't a weather balloon.
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It wasn't anything of that nature.
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It was a real craft of unknown origin that was adjudicated to be not of human origin or construct.
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And it crashed on the Foster Ranch in Corona, New Mexico.
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And then there's my work with Dave Grush when I was at the Aerospace Corporation.
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He was at the Aerospace Corporation building in Colorado Springs
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because he worked for their government customer, which occupied one or two floors there.
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What was David Grush doing in that capacity?
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He was, I think, a security contractor or advisor to a program manager.
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Dave was the NRO liaison officer to the UAP task force.
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So he took direction from Jay Stratton.
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Wasn't he a national geospatial agency?
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No, I said the NRO, the National Reconnaissance Officer.
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Yeah, you said that, but I thought he was national geospatial.
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Okay, so he's the NRO liaison.
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So during the UAPTF, he was the liaison officer on behalf of the NRO to the task force.
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So he worked with Travis Taylor, Jay Stratton.
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There's some other folks that don't want to be named, I know.
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So I just know that there's a core group of 40 people,
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but there was a peripheral body of a thousand people that contributed some of their time and labor and resources
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and the other government agencies, DOD agencies, intelligence agencies, to feed information to the task force.
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A lot of people ask about kind of circular reporting when it comes to UFO, you know, testimonies.
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David Grush is what a lot of people, I think, are hinging their belief on
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because he just seems like a very kind of honest above board guy who stumbled into a lot of this stuff.
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How many of his witnesses, his 40 witnesses, are more of kind of the hapless engineer type
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that just worked on the vehicles versus people who have, you know, kind of secondhand or, you know, thirdhand?
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No, they're all firsthand.
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It's just that it's something that Eric and I had lots of hours and hours of conversations about two years ago.
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Not a single of them were a physicist.
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Not a single one of these guys were physicists.
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They had some discipline in engineering in their profession.
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They were either electrical engineers, material scientists, aerospace engineers,
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aeromechanical, aerothermal, thermal control, fluid mechanics.
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Who wasn't a real physicist there?
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Nobody at the PhD level who is either an applied physicist or a theoretical physicist.
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Save that thought, please, because that is going to basically be the entire kind of premise for the second part of this.
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Do you have any questions as I'm sort of, you know?
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Well, you know, look, one of the things that I dislike very strongly about the UAP world
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is that you spend an inordinate amount of time if you're just trying to be an honest, analytic person with the,
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is there any actual, tangible, incontrovertible proof?
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And it always seems like there's somehow this tight-knit group of people who, in general, themselves don't have direct proof,
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but sort of have proof one thing away.
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And people build entire theories about the names of crafts and who was where.
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And I just have no idea as a civilian and a technical civilian how to think about this,
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because I don't want to spend our time in the, is it real or not mode,
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because that basically wastes time.
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And it's also how conspirators get people not to work on conspiracy theories that could work,
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is that you demonize and stigmatize the behavior.
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So I usually would prefer in this situation to just decamp and assume the nature of all of these.
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But just to be honest, and it just needs to be said once,
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I've been looking at this now, I don't know, five years since Jesse first crammed it down my throat.
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And I would say, I was clearly wrong about it.
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It's an enormous area.
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There's so many people who claim to have had contact with this program in one form or another.
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I can't believe that anyone could train an acting troupe at Brando levels of sincerity.
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To lie to me like that.
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On the other hand, I've never seen anything like it,
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where I can't get a single shred of incontrovertible proof.
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And so many people seem to have it, but they all seem to be under some kind of an NDA,
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where they can't give something real.
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So just the first frustrating question is,
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how is it possible that something this large that involves this many people
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has zero scientifically incontrovertible pieces of evidence so that we can actually—
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there's no way to predicate a discussion in a way that I know that's responsible.
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It just completely eludes the scientific community.
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Yeah, it's because the incontrovertible evidence is kept in the classified realm for security reasons.
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And again, I don't want to—
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Do you dispute the existence of atomic weapons because you can't access it?
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Oh, you can access it now.
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Have you actually been to pick up the plutonium core?
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No, I never kept the demon core in my basement.
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But I appreciate the—
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The lithium-6 fuel and the primary—
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Oh, we used to do that in high school.
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What I'm saying is that the Teller-Ulan design
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is released as a highly redacted report.
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And so I have an idea from plenty of sources that this program exists.
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And what's more, in the case of atomic weapons,
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physicists are not perfectly locked down.
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It's a high-trust community.
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And in general, people are willing to talk, you know,
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even if they shouldn't, about the role of physics in atomic weapons.
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I have never heard a colleague, not once, at a high level in physics,
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give any credence to this world.
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Well, that's because they didn't have access.
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They didn't have need to know.
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They didn't have a contract where they had to have access.
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Which, again, it's not a challenge in that sense.
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Assume that there is a dividing line.
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But it means that in the Manhattan Project, right?
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We called in Feynman and Bohr and Fermi and von Neumann
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and put them under Robert Oppenheimer and Teller and all these cats.
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But in so doing, I would say, okay,
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I would imagine that if this is an existential threat,
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that there's stuff from someplace we can't understand
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that moves and breaks the laws of physics and all this,
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we would call that in.
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Now, one of the great things that came out of our discussions before
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is you said this thing, which I repeated on Rogan
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because I didn't think it was classified.
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You said, when it comes to being technical just at this point,
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that they don't invite in physics,
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you said that Eric, you, me, and Hal Puthoff
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are the three most technical people on this.
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And I said, I'm not on this.
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Yeah, that's the problem.
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Yeah, that's the problem.
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You should be in it.
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Okay, but that makes you Oppenheimer.
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And von Neumann and Feynman and Beta and Fermi is Hal
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or something like that.
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In other words, or the reverse.
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But are you and Hal our Manhattan Project?
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No, we're not directly involved.
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We've been exposed to it officially
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for the purpose of the OSAPs goals.
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What is the question that I wish to ask?
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Well, I think what Eric's trying to ask,
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and I do want to actually continue along the former lines
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of just asking about kind of core evidence with Dr. Davis.
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But I think the question that Eric is trying to ask is,
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you just mentioned that none of Grush's, you know,
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40 witnesses that he, you know,
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handed over to the intelligence community inspector general
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are theoretical physicists.
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And so you have, you know, your physics PhD,
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Hal's an electrical engineer.
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Well, he's also, well, his PhD was in laser physics
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because when you go to Stanford in the 1960s,
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you can't get a PhD in physics or a master's.
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So it's you two and then Eric,
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who is a, you know, math PhD at the highest level
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who can keep up with, you know,
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any physicist in the country
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and has his own physics theory of everything.
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And so it's all three of you guys,
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but all three of you are outsiders.
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He's a real outsider.
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You two have officially investigated this stuff
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and you're saying there are no theoretical physicists
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on the core program.
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I've never seen one.
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I've never gotten evidence from the people,
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from the leadership at the two aerospace companies
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I personally interviewed with.
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I don't mean interviewed with,
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but who I investigated and interviewed leadership
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and a few of the worker bees involved.
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Are there propulsion modalities
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that you're high conviction in
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that transcend chemical combustion?
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Yeah, it goes way beyond even advanced nuclear.
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And nuclear in aerospace industry
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is fission, fusion, and matter-antimatter annihilation.
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I don't think we have a grasp of it.
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I haven't heard anybody that I've interviewed
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say that they have a grasp of it.
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And even as recently, unfortunately,
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the one technical person
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who ended up becoming a senior VP decades later
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at the biggest of the legacy aerospace companies,
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he was a material scientist
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working on the crash retrieval program
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after getting his doctorate,
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after earning his doctorate.
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And he got hired straight away
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to work on it for about roughly two decades.
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Okay, good. No worries.
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So basically, he's a material scientist.
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We've had a lot of classified
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and unclassified discussions.
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And I brought these questions up.
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I asked his questions.
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no, we didn't have theoretical physicists
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that we could put on this.
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We're strictly limited
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in the number of people on the bigot list.
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The bigot list is the list of people
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who have need to know and access
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to a particular classified program.
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And if you're not on that list,
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you don't get admitted.
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You don't get invited.
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This is an unacknowledged,
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waived and bigoted special access program.
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It's a waived, unacknowledged,
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special access program.
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so where are your physicists?
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What are your theoretical
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and applied physicists telling you?
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He said, well, we don't have any.
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We only were allowed to keep it down
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to roughly a handful of people
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in the company to work on this.
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And it's limited to engineering.
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There's no physics in it.
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It doesn't make any sense.
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I'm just trying to logically think about this.
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And, you know, it's like saying,
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we're having trouble performing
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and we have the finest accountants,
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optometrists, boxers,
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and cardio trainers.
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And you're like, well,
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what about violinists and violists
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and anybody playing the French horn?
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And it's like, oh, well,
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you're not going to play
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I mean, because you can't engineer
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your way out of a science problem.
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Well, let me tell you,
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I think you've got a great point
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the Manhattan Project.
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This thing is not a Manhattan Project,
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the Manhattan Project was.
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It was multidisciplinary.
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Thousands of people?
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Multidisciplinary people.
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The White Badges was
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the very small core,
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You had industrial engineers,
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computational engineers,
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electrical engineers,
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mechanical engineers,
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and nuclear engineers.
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of all the STEM disciplines there.
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You had to have mathematicians.
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And they were involved
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to build up the fuel,
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design, characterization,
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But this program doesn't,
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these programs don't have that.
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They deliberately keep it
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divided up among different companies
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to maintain plausible deniability
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in case there's a leak,
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and they keep it very small
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Okay, but it has to be
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centralized somewhere.
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The compartmentalized nature
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and the Manhattan Project
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who had universal access.
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that the Manhattan Project people
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living with them too
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So they don't have an equivalent
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crash retrieval program.
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disjointed groups of people,
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small numbers of people.
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They're not allowed to know
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about the other people
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and what they're doing.
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Those are the people
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stove-piped architecture.
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the central portfolio owner
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intelligence agency.
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centrally in charge.
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in the United States.
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was Leslie the general
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or was he in a different...
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where he was seated.
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But he was in charge
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on behalf of the Army.
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He was the military boss
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was the civilian boss
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of the Manhattan Project.
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Do you take David Grush
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was the last head honcho
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of this sort of program?
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And there's not really
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The closest person we got
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Vice President Dick Cheney,
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Darth Vader himself.
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that he was involved
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when he left in 2009,
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that was the last time
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that these activities
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really had central leadership.
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I never heard that before.
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So that never came up
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and unclassified conversations.
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To speak to this three-letter,
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So it was the UFO program
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So to Dr. Weinstein's question
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about technical rigor,
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a stronger motivation
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that prioritization?
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of the crash retrieval program
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And who is Jim Ryder?
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He's this Lockheed Martin
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senior vice president
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of the Lockheed Martin
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Space and Missiles Company,
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the space systems company.
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And his dual hat job
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Advanced Technology Center.
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on UFO crash retrieval initiatives?
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or confirm or deny that
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because of the consequence
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One of his daughters
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into that particular detail.
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OK, yeah, no problem.
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Through your investigations,
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intelligence that you
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considered high credibility
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from direct communication
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like it could have been
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through passive investigation?
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I couldn't get to that.
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because I didn't have access.
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I didn't have the right
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And I wasn't allowed
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to, let's put it this way,
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who knew who to contact,
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not allowed to give out
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the name and organizational
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And so they were not
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the alien or NHI contact issue.
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does that imply to you
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they never had direct,
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they never had the ability
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of someone with full knowledge
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No, I think Dave Groesch
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a certain number of beings,
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that's a point of information
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official government interviews
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off-the-record interviews
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is that any of these
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from a different avenue
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Dave Groesch telling me
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that that was the case,
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but I won't dismiss it offhand.
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it's not a piece of data
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that ever came my way
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official investigations
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you were making sure
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were completely uncorrelated,
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They weren't speaking
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behind closed doors.
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They wouldn't be able to
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in compartmentalized programs.
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clearances ourselves
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so we could only talk
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to them at a certain level.
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special access program
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before it got bought out
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by Northrop Grumman.
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but they're not read in
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on each other's programs
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compartmentalization meant.
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through the portfolio owner,
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but they're not allowed
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compartmentalization.
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and so where was I going?
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my train of thought.
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Well, that's separate.
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Yeah, totally separate.
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just wanted to ask you
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about your interactions
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because it seemed like
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from your accounting,
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he wasn't fully aware
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crash retrieval program,
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some interesting gains.
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and Bush got confirmed
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So he goes into this
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for his first briefing
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as director of the CIA.
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of this briefer's mouth
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was the Holloman landing
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at Holloman Air Force Base
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So he started briefing
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what are you talking about?
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Describe what this is
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So to make a long story short,
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The other two took off
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of Northern European descent.
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The Defense Audiovisual Agency
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of two retired generals,
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I think Jerry Miller
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the name of the other.
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and he and Alan Hynek
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get access to the film
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they were not allowed
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because one of those
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in the middle of that
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You do have this fact pattern
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but it's also sprinkled
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where we should trust
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legacy crash retrieval
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I'm kind of thinking
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Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.
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I think that started it off.
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Lekatsky did his first book
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his second book last year
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and I think he's got
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a third one coming out.
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And then Lou Elizondo's
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that have come together
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And if you're Stratton
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because he was the guy
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I don't know if you knew that.
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and their support staff.
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and contractor staff
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that supported them.
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from the very beginning.
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these sorts of programs
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very small dollar amounts,
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you know, vis-a-vis.
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but the inflation adjusted
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Harry Reid had an intention
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a Manhattan project.
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just to get it started.
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And then the subsequent
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with worth a billion dollars,
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worth of programmatics.
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simultaneously saying
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there is an underlying
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program that is a legacy
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reverse engineering program.
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this, this came after the fact.
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We were trying to get
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into the crash retrieval program.
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that was necessarily
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in the public domain.
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because we were not convinced
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And as a matter of fact,
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at one of the aerospace
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there was no success
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in the reverse engineering
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program after eight decades.
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And it just didn't go anywhere.
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They had modest success.
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Like they understood
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that craft were made from.
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how they were constructed,
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reproduce any of it.
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We had no technology.
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We had no fabrication
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or manufacturing technology
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of the crash retrieval programs
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when they were fully funded
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condensed matter state
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but we could not figure out
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why aren't we more open
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with the scientific community?
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That's the security aspect of it.
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with that policy aspect.
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I don't have contact
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that make the policy on that,
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so I can't answer that.
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It's not that I don't want to.
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No, no, no, I get it.
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And you're saying confidently
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billion dollar budgets
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involved in the actual
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I don't know that it's that much.
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It was on that order
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and Lockheed Martin people.
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of the budget expenditures
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not on an annual basis,
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but it was more like
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five to 10 year period.
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would go up and down,
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just like NASA's budget
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would go up and down.
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So the budgets would go up
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they'd be flush with money,
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get a few more people in,
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equipment in the lab.
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to bare minimum operation.
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I wanted to ask you,
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there's this sort of,
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called the Wilson Davis memo.
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You get asked about it
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and Admiral Thomas Wilson.
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in the EG&G parking lot
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He was retired at the time.
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for a short period of time
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because he had to close out
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that he was responsible
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for under his office
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a complicated project.
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because I didn't have
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or anything like that.
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the Nevada test site
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Nuclear Security Agency
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that I personally knew.
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of Former Intelligence Officers.
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of counterintelligence
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was supposed to have
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a lot of frustration
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with this private corporation.
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to be of human origin
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for whatever reason,
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even though he should have been.
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they claim he didn't
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and that's possible.
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from his director's budget,
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that he wasn't aware of.
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because this is a Woosap.
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He hadn't been read in on it.
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with budget line items
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they're just innocuous
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that a comptroller general
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of the Defense Department
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or the military services
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or the U.S. government
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plain English description
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so you can identify it.
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if the budget document
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from foreign nations,
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foreign adversaries,
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they won't understand
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what the hell it is.
[0:39:09 - 0:39:10] ▶
are they going to see
[0:39:10 - 0:39:11] ▶
or may not even know
[0:39:12 - 0:39:13] ▶
and some innocuous words.
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as aerospace technology review
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let's look at the OSAP,
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Application Program.
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It could be something
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You'll see something
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any clue or indication
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It's meant for that,
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is to keep our enemies
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to be able to figure out
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our money on and where.
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Wilson didn't know that
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because he didn't have
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Just like a president
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in the United States
[0:39:50 - 0:39:50] ▶
about the crash retrieval program
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that's an order from him
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that somebody lower down
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needs to give him a briefing.
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But if he already doesn't know,
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he doesn't know to ask.
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what the aftermath is,
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confirmed to several of us
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that he talked to the staff
[0:40:16 - 0:40:20] ▶
that attended that briefing,
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he talked to Carter,
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He even sent us the June,
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but I've got the document,
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It was an economic meeting
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in the National Security Council
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but then when it came time
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for this classified UAP
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or UFO program briefing,
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Do you know what the nature
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what we popularly known
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as Project Aquarius.
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that that was the code name.
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It might not have been,
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but it might have been,
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This is the real deal.
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This really happened.
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I got from the Carter Library
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and it shows the name
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of the regular meeting
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for the Economic Something Council
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Alonzo McDonald's job is
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Is that public information?
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So, the names of the people
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that attended were there.
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two names in organizations
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Out of all the lists,
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only two got redacted.
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Can you send me that
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with the redactions,
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Oh, I can send that.
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That would be amazing.
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principal staff director
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of the White House staff.
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the title back then.
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he was Jimmy Carter's
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special representative
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to the United Nations.
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So, he had something
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Do you know anything
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in the meeting itself
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Well, he talked to Carter
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who attended told him.
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that the United States
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he continues, sorry.
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in a moment of stress
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that's really critical,
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or President Carter,
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like this and praying.
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This is how he prays
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Not a briefing table.
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So that's what he was doing.
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He was just praying.
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about the consequence
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that he just now learned,
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what its consequence
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to American society is
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the United States government
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force that we don't have
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a technology to overwhelm.
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Did he learn about...
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Have we had treaties
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with any of these beings?
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That I never heard about.
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No, that never came out.
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I've seen the Aquarius document.
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Alonzo said it was real.
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People have been saying
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that that was fabricated
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Those guys had nothing
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to do with anything.
[0:43:22 - 0:43:23] ▶
I don't think you can find
[0:43:25 - 0:43:26] ▶
that document on the internet
[0:43:26 - 0:43:27] ▶
It used to be available
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as late as 2010 or 2011,
[0:43:31 - 0:43:35] ▶
and then it's just gone.
[0:43:35 - 0:43:36] ▶
So Alonzo read every word
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of the Aquarius briefing,
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that's what these guys
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told me that they did.
[0:43:42 - 0:43:44] ▶
The guys in the briefing
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got together afterwards,
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wrote down from memory
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got briefing documents.
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they're reading through it.
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Then when the briefing's over,
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they got to give the document
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that came to the documents
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because they're going
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Where's what they wrote
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Where are those documents?
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Well, that's the thing.
[0:44:10 - 0:44:11] ▶
So that's in a really
[0:44:18 - 0:44:19] ▶
heavily classified part
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of the Carter Library,
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because that's their program.
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and they all meet up
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downpouring from memory
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of the briefing document.
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So they did a round robin.
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And so they're going
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against the other guy's notes.
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they're going to disagree
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on this little point,
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and this terminology
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They're going to keep
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until they finally converge
[0:45:04 - 0:45:05] ▶
that strongly resembles
[0:45:06 - 0:45:09] ▶
the briefing document
[0:45:09 - 0:45:11] ▶
And they all agree on it
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And we collectively,
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came to this convergent
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electrothermal printer.
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And that's what you see
[0:45:30 - 0:45:31] ▶
took of that document.
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that the Senior Falcon,
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I just can't think of it,
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but it's in one of my,
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one of my investigation.
[0:45:43 - 0:45:44] ▶
Why do all these guys
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That's just the choice
[0:45:49 - 0:45:50] ▶
or maybe the late 80s
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undeveloped 35mm film
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first-generation documents
[0:46:16 - 0:46:17] ▶
document production factory.
[0:46:24 - 0:46:25] ▶
the connection there,
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the Defense Intelligence Agency.
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Directorate of Human
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Intelligence Collection.
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And Air Force Colonel
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was his chief of staff.
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the undeveloped roles
[0:46:53 - 0:46:54] ▶
to be the Junior Falcon,
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mediator of information
[0:47:05 - 0:47:08] ▶
as a counterintelligence
[0:47:13 - 0:47:14] ▶
on a classified basis
[0:47:39 - 0:47:41] ▶
said on the Joe Rogan
[0:47:45 - 0:47:46] ▶
He said more than 10,
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any of this material?
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I'm highly confident
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because he was still
[0:48:34 - 0:48:35] ▶
with me the information
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I'm highly confident
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And as a matter of fact,
[0:48:53 - 0:48:54] ▶
crash retrieval program
[0:48:58 - 0:48:59] ▶
took me to her home,
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We went into San Jose
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at a German restaurant.
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crash retrieval program
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Five total at that one,
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at that particular company.
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How many have you met
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It was just those two
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firsthand witnesses?
[0:49:33 - 0:49:34] ▶
of the 40 of Dave Grosh's?
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who they are, really.
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He never shared that
[0:49:39 - 0:49:39] ▶
I have a rough guess,
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don't confuse that 40
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with the 40 core people
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They're totally different.
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that there's no overlap.
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to tell me the names
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or their organizations
[0:49:58 - 0:49:59] ▶
and where they're located
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Yeah, final question
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before I want to get
[0:50:03 - 0:50:04] ▶
into the second section
[0:50:04 - 0:50:06] ▶
Admiral Thomas Wilson
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for the security reasons.
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There are legal issues
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reveal that in public.
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for public consumption
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and that was released
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from Mitchell's estate
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supposed to be destroyed
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from who generated it.
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give any instructions
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as far as I understand.
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but during our discussion
[0:51:06 - 0:51:08] ▶
the Wilson Davis notes
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by way of a conversation
[0:51:12 - 0:51:14] ▶
about seeking legal counsel.
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They're 100% accurate.
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typewritten version.
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There's a handwritten version
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Have you ever seen a UFO?
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a boomerang-shaped crap,
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below traffic pattern
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a craft in a hangar?
[0:51:46 - 0:51:47] ▶
any one-of-one material?
[0:51:51 - 0:51:52] ▶
never seen before material?
[0:51:54 - 0:51:55] ▶
Yeah, and the arts parts
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National Laboratory.
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materials analysis report
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And there was nothing there.
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There's a little bit
[0:52:25 - 0:52:26] ▶
The way that material
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with what we were doing
[0:52:32 - 0:52:34] ▶
for the aerospace community.
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that's the ambiguity.
[0:52:45 - 0:52:46] ▶
But the isotope ratios
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They're manufactured.
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a walking compendium
[0:52:52 - 0:52:54] ▶
physics experiments.
[0:52:58 - 0:52:58] ▶
Frontiers of Propulsion Science
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comprehensively reviewed
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or an experimental result
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has done an outstanding job
[0:53:41 - 0:53:43] ▶
of condensed matter theory
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condensed matter states
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theoretical curiosities
[0:53:49 - 0:53:52] ▶
and now we've advanced
[0:53:52 - 0:53:54] ▶
our laboratory technology
[0:53:54 - 0:53:55] ▶
and condensed matter physics
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that they're discovered.
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They're being discovered
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So they're really wonderful
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topological insulators,
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all kinds of other stuff
[0:54:07 - 0:54:09] ▶
like Majorana particles
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that are supposed to be
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I think they're massless,
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But if you have a...
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The Majorana particles.
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If you have a Majorana
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different from a Dirac
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that's only possible
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is its own antiparticle.
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These are not free particles.
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These are quasi-particles
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They're quasi-particles
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because they're created
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by the collective action
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in the semiconductor
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or condensed matter system.
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I want to cede the floor
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to my former colleague,
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I appreciate you indulging
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all my crazy UFO questions.
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Just wanted to kind of establish
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One of my favorite comments
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on our last discussion
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with Hal Puthoff was,
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now I know what a dog
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feels like when it watches TV.
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this is not for the faint of mind,
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just so you're aware
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this will be a really fun discussion.
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why are there no theoretical physicists
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And what do you think
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maybe what we've talked about
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with the observables of UFOs
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with some of your theories?
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Well, I don't even know
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too many explanations
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sometimes undisciplined mind
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for a certain set of facts.
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And this is one of the only times
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and perhaps the only time
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I've ever seen a situation
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where I cannot come up
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with a single theory
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all of the bizarre behavior
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who seem relatively reasonable
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with nearly eidetic memories
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talking about particular names,
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It is impossible to me
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that we have a theater company
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that has figured out
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how to create this space opera.
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And on the other hand,
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the lack of anything tangible.
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I don't believe in something
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this old, this long,
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that we have absolutely nothing
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that this is the odd situation.
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nobody from my world
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wants to get involved with it
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is that it just makes you look foolish
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from the point of view
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Well, they can't get involved
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unless they're working
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specifically for that.
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Then they get a clearance
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that they work on it.
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You said that you've...
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One of the top government scientists,
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I can't think of his name.
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You would know who it is.
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Gosh, he was a physicist.
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And I just helped put off knew him.
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And he had a lot of clearances
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into the Manhattan Project,
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the post-Manhattan Project,
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a lot of other high technology projects
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throughout areas of the DoD.
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And so he was an academician
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and he had clearances.
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A colleague of mine up at Baylor
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also has DoD classifications.
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And he's working on classified stuff
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that you're not familiar with,
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you've never heard of,
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you won't get access to it.
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If you have a contract
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that requires a clearance,
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you will get access to something
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you don't know about
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in the public domain.
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I understand that there's a lot of stuff
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We have an entire system of national labs.
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There's no question about that.
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at the level of ground truth.
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Our two primary theories
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are the standard model
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and general relativity.
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Both of them are relevant here
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on what we can understand
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of the world we see.
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And if somebody has access
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to theories beyond those two
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and they predicate manufacturing on it
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and then we get the gifts
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of that manufacturing,
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just assuming that that story is correct,
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some very weird stuff
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that is not explicable
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as if Newton was looking
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at Lorentz contraction.
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what the heck is that?
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And so I'm just going to begin
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with things that make me
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hugely uncomfortable
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it's not as a digger.
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I just can't figure this out.
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these humanoid aliens,
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like aliens that are tetrapods,
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literally tetrapod body plans.
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we have cephalopods.
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a tetrapod body plan.
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The odd of a humanoid
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evolving through convergence
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evolution somewhere else
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is vanishingly small.
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But it's not surreal.
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Yeah, but it's preposterous.
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wouldn't be that these beings
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would be from elsewhere,
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they'd be derivative
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that the real beings
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have constructed these things
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to interact with us,
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not to make us uncomfortable.
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Do you believe that?
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is just going to have
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where it was too hard
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to behave as if they had
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a completely different
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were going to be tetrapods
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if they were playing an alien.
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So that, first of all,
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is that I don't want
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that with no mention
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that there are two eyes,
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even if you look at like,
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where we have a knee,
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something like that.
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So that's the first part
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I was very interested
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some of your physics papers.
[1:00:43 - 1:00:45] ▶
didn't know existed,
[1:00:49 - 1:00:51] ▶
something from that.
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national security physics.
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National security physics?
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a lot of your papers,
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in general relativity
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I'm just looking at,
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Within what framework?
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So GR with or without
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positivity constraints,
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If these things are here
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using the standard model
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in general relativity,
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it's not impossible.
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I'm doing propulsion physics
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for interstellar flight.
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I'm not looking at this
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from a UFO perspective.
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as part of another part
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So maybe you can make this
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because we're trying
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physics for exploitation
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for future interstellar
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and interstellar missions.
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So this is hugely important
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for me just to understand
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and please correct me
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because I don't want
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I think what you're saying
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at an interstellar level
[1:02:51 - 1:02:53] ▶
Assuming that one piece
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attempt to figure out
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how that could be done
[1:03:01 - 1:03:02] ▶
with the tools we have.
[1:03:04 - 1:03:05] ▶
completely polarize,
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I would not be wasting my time.
[1:03:15 - 1:03:17] ▶
that I was wasting my time
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with general relativity.
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an Alcubierre warp drive,
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in this particular way?
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into a spinning black hole
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and non-catastrophic.
[1:03:41 - 1:03:42] ▶
using all of the exotica
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and it'll be really expensive
[1:03:51 - 1:03:53] ▶
but I can still get there
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has any appeal to me.
[1:04:03 - 1:04:04] ▶
it's had a great appeal
[1:04:05 - 1:04:06] ▶
We can polarize that.
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isn't it much more plausible
[1:04:15 - 1:04:17] ▶
that if Kraft were true
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that it's basically proof
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that GR isn't the last world,
[1:04:23 - 1:04:25] ▶
that general relativity
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is a constricting framework
[1:04:26 - 1:04:28] ▶
and that there's something
[1:04:28 - 1:04:29] ▶
that has general relativity
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as an effective theory.
[1:04:31 - 1:04:32] ▶
And they're using that.
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So that makes this mysterious,
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why are you using GR?
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Because that's the only tool
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I have that I know of
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from my graduate education
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and my research interest.
[1:04:45 - 1:04:47] ▶
I don't have the liberty to,
[1:04:48 - 1:04:51] ▶
I'm not a pure theoretical physicist.
[1:04:51 - 1:04:53] ▶
about things related
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to general relativity
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It's got a terrible variable in it,
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which is called the metric,
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that are not metrics
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from the space of metrics.
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it just doesn't behave well
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in terms of quantization.
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We know that we have got
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called the initial singularity,
[1:05:32 - 1:05:34] ▶
and the Schwarzschild
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or black hole singularity
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with collapsed stars.
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from the point of view
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having pulled it off,
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past its sell-by date,
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are you not tweaking it?
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on how I could tweak it.
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somebody smarter than me
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I would like to have
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somebody who tweaks it
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and I could look at it
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to where we want to go
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across interstellar distances
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without the consequence
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of G over C to the fourth.
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how do I interpret...
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There are a lot of people
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who are interested in gravity.
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And there are none of them
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Other people are interested
[1:06:47 - 1:06:48] ▶
that I became aware of
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where the Australian
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intelligence officer,
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do you remember his last name?
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of their nuclear division.
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Starts writing down,
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here's what we surmise
[1:07:05 - 1:07:07] ▶
the complete list is.
[1:07:22 - 1:07:24] ▶
the Manhattan Project
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consistent with this story
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I think I first did it
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on Rogan in episode 1945,
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Which is that we have
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called the Golden Age
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of General Relativity,
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which makes absolutely
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of the intelligence.
[1:08:07 - 1:08:08] ▶
who thinks he's seen
[1:08:09 - 1:08:10] ▶
a bunch of Jason Bourne movies
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so he can talk the lingo,
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but they appear to be
[1:08:13 - 1:08:14] ▶
And they're both fitted
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one named Bryce DeWitt
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And then the other one,
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named Lewis Whitten,
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who's a gravitational
[1:08:47 - 1:08:48] ▶
out of Johns Hopkins
[1:08:49 - 1:08:50] ▶
Institute of Advanced
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it has Rudolf Kallmann
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It has Solomon Lefschetz,
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comes out of retirement
[1:09:10 - 1:09:11] ▶
that became Martin Marietta
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that became Lockheed Martin.
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I've read the documents
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and I'm already familiar
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with elements of that.
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so we've got 18 talent.
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We've got Sheldon Glashow,
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Desser Arnowitz Dyson.
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This begins to feel like,
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the boys are back in town.
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just seems to go cold
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back in graduate school
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and I went to an APS meeting.
[1:10:09 - 1:10:12] ▶
So I went to an APS meeting
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with my dissertation supervisor,
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They have like a booth
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all the books they sell,
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the Physics Today magazine.
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Well, that was published
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by somebody else, actually.
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But they have all that
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for membership services
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this advertising booth
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in the commercials exhibit
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part of the conference,
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and they had the APS historian.
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And I brought that up
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was still at the Hughes Research Labs
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He's the one that motivated me
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to ask that question,
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because he had been looking
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when he was at Hughes.
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and general relativity
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at University of Maryland
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And the APS historian
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had no answer for me
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as to where this disconnect
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to anti-gravity research?
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to this golden age of GR?
[1:11:22 - 1:11:24] ▶
some more what you said.
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It disappeared in the 70s,
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but he never saw what happened.
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roughly the early 80s,
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super string theory coming up.
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there's an in-oregano.
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we have this golden age
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of general relativity.
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in the standard model
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and grand unification,
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a pre-string-like craze
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for something called
[1:12:05 - 1:12:06] ▶
N equals 8 supergravity.
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And N equals 8 supergravity
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was the candidate theory
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theory of everything.
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anomaly cancellation
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directs the entire field
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the only game in town,
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Yeah, I remember that.
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the only game in town.
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anything that isn't string
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Feynman is upset about it.
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Glashow is upset about it.
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I'm voting with my feet.
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this cosmology in Texas.
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we get this very weird
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not related to physics,
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between Marc Andreessen
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And they're sat down
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two or three AI companies
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and we're gonna cocoon them
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as part of the federal government.
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and Horowitz are sitting there
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well, how are you going
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at the technology level
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because it's just math
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and you can't classify math.
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So Ben basically said,
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look, it doesn't make sense
[1:13:43 - 1:13:44] ▶
because to regulate AI
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at the technology level,
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you're regulating math.
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we're not gonna do that.
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Like, that doesn't make any sense.
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that what they said was,
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We can classify math.
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We can classify math.
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and made them state secrets
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of the theoretical...
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Now, quantum gravity,
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a Google Ngram search,
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And we're backfitted
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almost any physicist
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to repeat the phrase
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that quantum gravity
[1:14:33 - 1:14:35] ▶
of theoretical physics.
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It's a fictitious history.
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Well, but my point is
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believe that peer review
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of the Royal Society.
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institutional memory
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from the physics community.
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a cock-blocking mechanism
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binds to the receptor
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of a physicist's mind
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not to make progress.
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And so we're 42 years
[1:15:30 - 1:15:31] ▶
into an unquestionable...
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feels like a mass psychosis.
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all these different approaches
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to quantize gravity.
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So you have what appears
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to be a mass delusion.
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Not that it wouldn't
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I believe that gravity
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has to be harmonized
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Yeah, there's no question.
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taken to the ground,
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and forced to submit
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has not been productive.
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what do we have wrong?
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trying to make progress?
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And you don't see that.
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Well, that's the mirror
[1:16:15 - 1:16:16] ▶
that there are no physicists
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it is so pathologically stupid,
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so unfathomably wasteful.
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Why would you not question
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your own lack of progress?
[1:16:31 - 1:16:33] ▶
of modern string theory,
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of a sister podcast,
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Theories of Everything.
[1:16:42 - 1:16:43] ▶
with Lawrence Krasn.
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we've got this wrong.
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I'm just thinking like,
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string theory has failed,
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so what we need to do
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the string assumption,
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but we have to go back
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and fix string theory.
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it's an infinite sequence.
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So one of the questions
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Somebody figured out
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is just too dangerous
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to do in a university setting.
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It seems that way to me.
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It seems that way to me.
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Streisand effect problems.
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John Aristotle Phillips,
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who chose Freeman Dyson
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for his junior thesis.
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I'm the Princeton mascot.
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very good at physics.
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that I'm not really good
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to do something novel?
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and I want you to tell me
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understanding of physics.
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as long as I give you
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whether it would work
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They removed page 20,
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in the Princeton library
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other junior theses.
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That's very interesting.
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John Aristotle Phillips
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who is in the center of that.
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named Howard Moreland
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the Progressive magazine,
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and he had the assignment,
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see if you can figure out
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with no knowledge of physics
[1:19:00 - 1:19:01] ▶
the Teller-Ulam design
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for the hydrogen bomb.
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of the broken coffee cup
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by being meticulous.
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of theoretical physics.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
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That sounds like it.
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use prior injunction
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because he had no right
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was we can't stop him
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because we declassified
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So that gave the government
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which is that it was
[1:20:03 - 1:20:04] ▶
creating a Streisand effect
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and calling attention
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there are probably many,
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are not the gating function.
[1:20:13 - 1:20:15] ▶
we get string theory
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It's like the glass bead game
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at a very high level.
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my question to you is,
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that we don't make progress
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beyond the standard model
[1:20:43 - 1:20:45] ▶
and general relativity
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claimed crash retrieval program?
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is yes to that question.
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Do you have any interaction
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You know who they are?
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who was in the Jasons,
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Do you want to describe
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what they're supposed to be?
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that the DoD gives them.
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of high-level physicists,
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Yeah, engineers too.
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government problems.
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so they give a contract
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to study a particular
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These are academic missions,
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from school for the summer.
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their time and energy
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to solving this problem,
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they collect the money,
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is really interesting
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a tiny number of people
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at a very high level
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of theoretical physics.
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And I think most people
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what some of these people are.
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If I show you a violinist
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there's no possibility
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you can convince yourself
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that that guy knows nothing
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could do that, right?
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Like you see something
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that's so astounding,
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I believe that the same
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about theoretical physics
[1:22:27 - 1:22:29] ▶
and pure mathematics,
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at the highest level
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And it's just very vertical
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and there's no mercy.
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since I was in middle school.
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of physics literature
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So here's my question.
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there's so few in number,
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I could track all of them.
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And you pretty much know,
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you have a 75% chance
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that you've identified
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is if you wanted to figure out
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that the NSA was there
[1:23:13 - 1:23:14] ▶
you'd look at number theory PhDs
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do number theory PhDs
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the differential geometry
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that goes underneath it.
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Riemannian geometry.
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the differential geometry
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that goes underneath that,
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Erismanian geometry.
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and what modern geometric
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conformal field theories
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Shouldn't we be able
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if there is a program
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by virtue of the fact
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their physical movements?
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we would have figured out
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of physics firepower
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That's very interesting.
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the lone genius theory
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then that wouldn't work.
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But the lone genius theory
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it's just obviously right.
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about any such program.
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And the only exception
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and you don't come out of
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called Renaissance Technologies
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in these exact specialties.
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that doesn't really make sense
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based on what I know
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to Brookhaven National Laboratory.
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And it has the resources
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of SUNY Stony Brook.
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And SUNY Stony Brook
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and a physics presence
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as a State University
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I wasn't aware of that.
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That's in Long Island,
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was the world's greatest
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living theoretical physicist
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until very recently.
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But that's where he was.
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He was at the State University
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there's a grown-up effort?
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Because I don't think
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it's really easily possible
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Oh, I agree with that.
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are separate from that.
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That's the whole point.
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It has nothing to do
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propulsion physics program.
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I'm just contributing
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aren't going to work.
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I didn't know that then,
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that it's difficult...
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to engineer warp drives
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regardless of the...
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why is he wasting his time?
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And I haven't been able
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to an alternative version
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as trans-medium propulsion
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that UAP demonstrated.
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So at a bare minimum,
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and the standard model,
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that even at the bare minimum,
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not even touching the truth.
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I think what's happening
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the information domain
[1:27:28 - 1:27:31] ▶
People talk about Shannon,
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at the University of Arizona
[1:27:40 - 1:27:41] ▶
did a lot of research
[1:27:41 - 1:27:43] ▶
through Cambridge University Press
[1:27:46 - 1:27:47] ▶
on Fisher information,
[1:27:47 - 1:27:48] ▶
was able to use that
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all of the major theories
[1:27:51 - 1:27:52] ▶
and principles of physics,
[1:27:52 - 1:27:53] ▶
including the Wheeler-DeWitt equation,
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from that being observed
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which is quite a quantum statement.
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So I'd have to dig it up
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to be able to read to you
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the two key out terms
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of Fisher information
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from which physics derives.
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New Scientist did an article on it,
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which was just brilliant.
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It was in the late 60s,
[1:28:18 - 1:28:21] ▶
but late 90s, sorry.
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right now there's a vogue.
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If physics doesn't work,
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and information theory
[1:28:29 - 1:28:30] ▶
because computers have money.
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And so it's a way for us
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from people who know computers
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So I've watched that
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just like let's make black holes
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the new harmonic oscillator,
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that we push everything onto.
[1:28:48 - 1:28:49] ▶
that highly compelling.
[1:28:52 - 1:28:53] ▶
Like we basically have quarks,
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leptons, force particles, Higgs.
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The model is extremely good,
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but we don't live there.
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We don't live in space time.
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It's not lines, curves,
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points, and manifolds.
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It's a physical space.
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It may be a manifold.
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I'm not saying that it isn't.
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I'm saying that you know
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because of the defects
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at an effective theory
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and you're trying to figure out
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what the parent theory is.
[1:29:28 - 1:29:30] ▶
Do you have any guesses about that?
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quantum entanglement networks.
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People in Quantum Magazine
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the work they were doing
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on quantum entanglements
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where they were able
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is actually an unfolding
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and elementary particles
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in the interaction forces
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from entanglement networks.
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And I just don't know
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how far that has gotten
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as a theoretical development,
[1:30:05 - 1:30:06] ▶
that the initial stage of work
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was pretty promising.
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I just haven't found
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on where they've gotten with it.
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across interstellar distances.
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You've got some kind of,
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and I want to be clear
[1:30:30 - 1:30:32] ▶
that I think propulsion
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may even be misleading,
[1:30:33 - 1:30:34] ▶
but there's something like,
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is there a method of conveyance?
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Let's call it conveyance.
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there's an energy requirement.
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And what I'm looking at,
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I hate to interrupt you,
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but what I'm looking at
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is something that bypasses GR
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because GR is difficult to use.
[1:30:51 - 1:30:53] ▶
Well, let's talk about that
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Where we can get around
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that whole energy requirement
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the ability to engineer
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We've got to come up with something
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that gets out of that whole GR.
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You're grooved towards
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that's pushed in front of us, right?
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Like, entanglement is a real thing,
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but we talk about it,
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I think another thing like that
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is black holes, wormholes.
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we don't know whether
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the black hole in the sky
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and the black hole in the model
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are the same black hole.
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And all of these things
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lead nowhere, right?
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We've been around the traffic circle
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and by the third time
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you've seen the same 7-Eleven,
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you're starting to think
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Let's talk about GR as a problem.
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So in the standard equation in GR,
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we've got really three terms.
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We've got the Einstein curvature term.
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We've got the dark energy
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cosmological constant term.
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Well, Lambda times G-mute,
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the metric G-mute nu,
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and this constant times
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the stress-energy tensor
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for everything else.
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Right, the coupling constant, yeah.
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has thrown some cold water
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on the idea that Lambda
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is a good model for dark energy
[1:32:19 - 1:32:22] ▶
that it's not constant.
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about that coming out.
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Was it just theoretical
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of it from observations?
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That's what I'm saying.
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spectroscopic instrument,
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seems to be recording.
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Yeah, the Desi experiment, right.
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It's showing that it's more,
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Yeah, it's time-dependent,
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as opposed to static
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being a constant energy.
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Which sounds like a VEV,
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a vacuum expectation value,
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so that people always
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what is the temperature
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And they say 71 degrees,
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well, in which corner?
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And then the person thinks,
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close to the window.
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but with fluctuations,
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something that can vary.
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called Lovelock's theorem.
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Oh, I'm familiar with that.
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He was a mathematician
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at the University of Arizona.
[1:33:27 - 1:33:28] ▶
and variable dark energy.
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of Lovelock's theorem,
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what you're talking about.
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Why don't you go ahead?
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Because keep in mind,
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I think what it says is
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that have this property
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of being divergence-free
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that are not dependent
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it's a two-dimensional space.
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which is divergence-free
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of taking an automatic
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that has to be satisfied
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called the Bianchi identity
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coordinates on a system.
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That sounds familiar.
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the intrinsic curvature?
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intrinsic curvature, right?
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with the Vial curvature
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and a trace reversal
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differential equation.
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automatic differential
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by virtue of the fact
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Levy-Civita connection.
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But by the product rule,
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times the derivative
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for that same reason.
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that have this property.
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if you have Lovelock's theorem
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That's very interesting.
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conceive of general relativity.
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engineer these craft
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within general relativity
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other than formally.
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So the Alcubierre warp drive
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is a formal solution
[1:36:35 - 1:36:36] ▶
possible of all forces
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the generation ships
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Oh, I agree with you.
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that the time dilation
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because everybody's dead
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of the apes scenario.
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and all this kind of stuff.
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with no singularities
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that are traversable.
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Oh, I think that's just
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people have stretched
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there's a huge suite
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that inventive ideas.
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we're going to accept
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the science that we have
[1:37:49 - 1:37:50] ▶
and then we're going
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and we're going to say
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those are the leading
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you should push back
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traversable wormholes
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that biological material
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is a real feasible thing.
[1:38:07 - 1:38:09] ▶
materials going through
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I don't see anything
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You should be able to.
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That's what my research
[1:38:25 - 1:38:26] ▶
G over C to the fourth
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That really gets inverted
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when you put it over
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side of the equation.
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multiplying the curvature
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a traversable wormhole?
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Well, that's a good point
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because even Kip Thorne
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couldn't describe it,
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but the best idea is,
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and this is Thorne's,
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and I don't endorse it.
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right at your departure
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to need another spaceship
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to the destination point,
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Kip Thorne came up with.
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when you're creating
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the physics occurs anyway.
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It's not at the mouth,
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So when you're creating
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that should automatically
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the hyperspace tunnel
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or Earth and Alpha Centauri,
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to target your destination.
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navigational control laws
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built into general relativity.
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is build the wormhole,
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you could do the studies
[1:40:10 - 1:40:11] ▶
that goes through it,
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or a piece of matter,
[1:40:15 - 1:40:16] ▶
and you can represent
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it's going to come out
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that's not in general relativity.
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You can't pull that out.
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You can't pull that information out
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unless there's more work
[1:40:27 - 1:40:29] ▶
that needs to be done
[1:40:29 - 1:40:30] ▶
has thought of doing.
[1:40:31 - 1:40:32] ▶
But I think you can make
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a wormhole on demand
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if assuming you have
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the negative energy density
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available to shape it.
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Not one of these proposals
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They're boring as sin.
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I'm sorry to say it.
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You're talking about
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people raised on sci-fi
[1:40:55 - 1:40:57] ▶
who want to be scientific.
[1:40:57 - 1:40:59] ▶
they don't want to go beyond
[1:41:01 - 1:41:02] ▶
the two frontier theories
[1:41:02 - 1:41:05] ▶
And they've also said,
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I don't want to be uncreative.
[1:41:08 - 1:41:09] ▶
of the other crazy stuff,
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at least they're trying
[1:41:22 - 1:41:23] ▶
so that the implausibility
[1:41:24 - 1:41:26] ▶
but the speculative nature
[1:41:27 - 1:41:29] ▶
of the physics goes up.
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I think it would be much better
[1:41:30 - 1:41:31] ▶
to balance those two.
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one of these weird things?
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this extended electrodynamics
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that no one in my world
[1:41:37 - 1:41:39] ▶
I've seen elements of it.
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on extended electrodynamics.
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That's my conclusion.
[1:41:52 - 1:41:53] ▶
that gets thrown around
[1:42:00 - 1:42:01] ▶
constantly in UFO discussions.
[1:42:01 - 1:42:03] ▶
in Maxwell's equations
[1:42:08 - 1:42:09] ▶
that was a little off.
[1:42:09 - 1:42:10] ▶
that it's a more faithful
[1:42:16 - 1:42:18] ▶
versus the heavy side
[1:42:23 - 1:42:24] ▶
kind of simplification
[1:42:24 - 1:42:25] ▶
extended electrodynamics.
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no one seems to come up
[1:42:33 - 1:42:35] ▶
with some sort of Lagrangian.
[1:42:35 - 1:42:37] ▶
some real inconsistencies
[1:42:38 - 1:42:39] ▶
but I believe Hal Puthoff,
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is your long colleague,
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he has some interesting work
[1:42:48 - 1:42:49] ▶
in extended electrodynamics,
[1:42:49 - 1:42:50] ▶
Oh, I never worked on it.
[1:42:50 - 1:42:51] ▶
electrodynamics I know of
[1:42:54 - 1:42:55] ▶
that you're going to have
[1:42:57 - 1:42:58] ▶
electromagnetic systems.
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the Born-Enfeld-Lagrangian,
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to Yang-Mill's theory
[1:43:06 - 1:43:08] ▶
in the Abelian case.
[1:43:08 - 1:43:08] ▶
It's just the nonlinear
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version of Maxwell's equations
[1:43:09 - 1:43:11] ▶
that you're going to get
[1:43:11 - 1:43:12] ▶
that you can formulate.
[1:43:13 - 1:43:14] ▶
to Maxwell's equations
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in the low energy regime.
[1:43:16 - 1:43:17] ▶
what they're extending.
[1:43:19 - 1:43:19] ▶
I've looked at these
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and I'm trying to figure out
[1:43:21 - 1:43:22] ▶
what's the extension.
[1:43:22 - 1:43:22] ▶
electric and magnetic fields
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a degree two object.
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about vector fields.
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where you shouldn't do that
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in a three-dimensional world,
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to a three-minus-two tensor
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And then you plot out
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in the E and B fields
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as if they're vector fields.
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a degree two object.
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the gauge potential,
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the vector and scalar,
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applied to the Faraday tensor,
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brings it down a degree
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which is a degree one object.
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to a degree three object,
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tensor divergence-free.
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The Bianchi identity
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guaranteed differential equation
[1:45:00 - 1:45:02] ▶
construction of curvature.
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these two equations away
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because it's guaranteed
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And you throw it away.
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And then you're left
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with the inhomogeneous ones.
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side of the equation
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something with symmetry.
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professional community
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engineering background.
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we'll spin something
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around we'll evacuate
[1:48:44 - 1:48:45] ▶
a tube we'll put the
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following rare compounds
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particular things and
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effect that is normally
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together for something
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We're looking for is
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that we could do that
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There's not so weakly
[1:49:14 - 1:49:15] ▶
barely detect it but
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that can be coaxed to
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effect could have been
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experimenter passing a
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solenoid and noticing
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oh my god it seems to
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be able to detect the
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I believe in a podcast
[1:49:34 - 1:49:36] ▶
openly discussed this
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electrodynamics and him
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Josephson junctions and
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this idea of vector and
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extended electrodynamics is
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that the Lorentz gauge is
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arbitrarily set to zero
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and the derivatives of
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the vector and scalar
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potentials should not
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necessarily equal zero.
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And so theoretically in
[1:50:04 - 1:50:05] ▶
terms of implications for
[1:50:05 - 1:50:06] ▶
the audience instead of
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having this transverse
[1:50:08 - 1:50:09] ▶
Hertzian wave which is
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going to propagate at one
[1:50:10 - 1:50:11] ▶
over r squared you're
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going to get electrons
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pairing off in all sorts of
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You're going to get this
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kind of rapid attenuation
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You might have other
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configurations of you
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know parallel like you
[1:50:23 - 1:50:25] ▶
know wave propagation
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in a magnetic field or
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not even the existence of
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an electric of an you
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whatever with a with an
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electromagnetic wave.
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And I believe Hal has
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openly discussed this with
[1:50:36 - 1:50:37] ▶
Anna Brady Estevez on
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this you know former
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Foundation director on
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I've never I never knew
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there was a video until
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I think she mentioned
[1:50:47 - 1:50:49] ▶
So you hear you hear a
[1:50:51 - 1:50:52] ▶
lot of this stuff in UFO
[1:50:52 - 1:50:54] ▶
extended electrodynamics and
[1:50:55 - 1:50:56] ▶
experimental inroads
[1:50:57 - 1:50:58] ▶
sort of thing or no?
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There are a couple of
[1:51:04 - 1:51:04] ▶
names that came out of
[1:51:04 - 1:51:05] ▶
would be of interest to
[1:51:10 - 1:51:11] ▶
one of the things that
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comes out of my work is
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that we may have the
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gauge potential that you
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would put into such an
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And the thought is the
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Every gauge potential,
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every, every connection,
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um, has a disease when
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you gauge, uh, transform it.
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And this disease, uh, if the
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gauge transformation is
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called G it would look like
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G inverse D G where D
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So you differentiate the
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transformation and then you
[1:51:49 - 1:51:50] ▶
use the G inverse to pull
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it back to the origin of the
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That term has no reference to
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the, the connection or the
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gauge potential a, in other
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words, it's G inverse D G.
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But G inverse A G is perfectly,
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uh, gauge invariant if you put
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it into a Lagrangian.
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So in other words, there's the
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part that works beautifully and
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there's the part that spoils the
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party, but the part that spoils the
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party has no dependence on A
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So if you had two separate
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potentials, A and B, you'd get
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G inverse A G plus G inverse D G
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and G inverse B G plus G inverse
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So the diseases are the same.
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You take a difference between
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them and the two diseases kill each
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And you have two terms left over G
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inverse A G and G inverse B G added
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So one possibility is that even
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though this community says a bunch
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of stuff that makes me very
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uncomfortable is that you could
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have a tinkering community that is
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actually stumbling to things that
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everyone else is too sophisticated to
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look for just the way when we
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thought it was the E and the B
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fields, nobody was looking for the
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holonomy effect, which is a
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classical effect that's discovered
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quantum mechanically.
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So the embarrassment of finding the
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Aronoff-Bohm effect in the late
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fifties, when we thought we knew
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everything there was to know about
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electromagnetism is the great,
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greatest proof we have that a
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theory that is supposedly completely
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picked over and come and totally
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explored may have basic things that
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we have wrong about it.
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Well, into our sophisticated old age.
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Basically up until that point, nobody
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realized or even gave thought that the
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four vector potential was a physical
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Well, it isn't in a certain sense.
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It's a quick, so I give this example
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that if you know a professional model,
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they're expected to have a set of things
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that are called Polaroids.
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They're just shots of that model in
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various standard poses so that somebody
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who wants to hire that model can say,
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this is what this person looks like without
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makeup and without fancy clothes, right?
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Those different Polaroids are what we
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would call, I don't know, they're sort
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of avatars of the same underlying human.
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And so if somebody says, I want to hire
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that person in three quarter profile, you
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say, well, no, you hire the person.
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That's just the particular shot of the
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The electromagnetic potential is an
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equivalence class equivalent to give me
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all of the Polaroids to represent the
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So the big problem comes out when you
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single out one Polaroid, you say, no,
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no, that's the field.
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Because what that is, is that's a
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particular representation of that field,
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but they're all representations of the
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same underlying field.
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So that's the problem that needed to get
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So we don't have anybody in academia
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that's pursuing extended electrodynamics.
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There's a guy named Lee Hively in
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Colorado Springs, and he has a colleague
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named Woodside, who I believe is in
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And then there's another guy, I think,
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Strobel or Lobel or something.
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So there are a few of these guys, and
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they've written a paper about extended
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So another thing that really confuses
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me is I saw a bizarre video from 1991,
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which Joe Rogan pointed me to with this
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guy, Bob Lazar, seemingly talking nonsense.
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Do you recall what he says about the
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fact that you do this engineering with
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gravity wave A and gravity wave B?
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He doesn't know what he's talking about
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because he was a radiation health monitor
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for Kimber Meyer Company, and they were
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a logistic service company servicing Los
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Alamos National Lab in Area 51.
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He never had security clearances.
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He dropped out of his first year of
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college, et cetera, et cetera.
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He's not a physicist.
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So I don't remember, but all I know is
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he claims element 115 created antimatter,
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which somehow had something to do with
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creating gravitational waves in the
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Did you hear the Jeffrey Epstein tape
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Jeffrey Epstein didn't know what he was
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talking about either.
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I'm not familiar with you.
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But you can tell that Jeffrey Epstein
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was talking to people who knew what they were
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talking about, and he's this garbled version of this.
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Let's assume the same thing for Bob Lazar.
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Let's assume that he was janitorial staff,
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and that he just happened to be in a sensitive location,
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and that he's saying something,
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because it sounds to me like total garbage.
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He says this thing, which is crazy.
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He says there's gravity wave A and gravity wave B,
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and you most likely think of gravity as gravity wave B.
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That's the long-range stuff with stars and planets.
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He says, but gravity wave A is different,
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and you associate it with the strong nuclear force.
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So, of course, I want to throw up in my mouth, right?
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And he says this thing about QCD,
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quantum chromodynamics of the strong nuclear force,
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is what gravity wave A is all about.
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And so the idea is going to be that somehow,
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if you could actually understand that what was going on in QCD
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had to do with gravity,
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you would understand that that's the source of strength
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with the ability to actually do something with space and time.
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So, seems totally stupid,
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but let me just point out the following thing.
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There are only two Lagrangians or actions that I know of
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that give an Euler-Lagrange equation
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with the curvature appearing without a derivative in front of it.
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One of them is the Einstein-Hilbert action,
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which when differentiated,
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gives you the Ricci curvature minus the scalar curvature
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over two times the metric.
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The other one is a thing called the Chern-Simons function.
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Yeah, it's been interesting.
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Chern-Simons action.
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The Chern-Simons action comes from something called
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the transgression of the Pontryagin class
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in the Chern-Vey representation.
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That is part of QCD.
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the normal Yang-Mills Lagrangian,
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we would represent as F inner product F,
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where F is the field string.
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From the topology of,
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what is geometry and topology for physics,
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and I can't remember who the author of that book was,
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but I've seen that now.
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But only in dimension four,
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you can form a different quantity,
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where you take F inner product star F,
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where star is the Hodge star or complementarity operator.
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And that thing generates the Pontryagin class,
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which when transgressed gives you the Chern-Simons,
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which gives you the Lagrangian
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that is closest to general relativity.
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I haven't seen that.
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Well, because nobody's talked about it ever.
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So I think this is the first time
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I'm ever mentioning it in public.
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So the thought that I had is,
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assume that Bob Lazar is an unreliable narrator,
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and that he was hanging around water coolers,
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and he was hearing crazy stuff,
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and that it's a mix of bullshit and something.
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Is it possible, Eric,
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that what he's talking about
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is that the theta term from QCD
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is what he's calling stupidly gravity wave A,
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which no person I've ever heard of
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has ever used that terminology.
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I wouldn't think he'd be consciously aware of that.
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I don't know if it's possible.
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I can't rely on anything he says
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because of his history.
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just to play devil's advocate with Bob Lazar,
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you were saying there's this longstanding UFO legacy
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crash retrieval program,
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you have one guy who's come out publicly
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and has not changed his story since 89.
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We didn't really know too much
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about the existence of Area 51,
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I've never been there.
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But how would he know about,
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you know, Janet Airlines,
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lines of flight there?
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Well, he worked at Los Alamos,
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and he worked at the Unclassified Logistic Support Facility
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over on Sunset Boulevard,
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not Sunset Boulevard,
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next to McCarran Airport.
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There's a row of light industrial buildings
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And McCarran is right across the street.
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So Kimber Meyer was there,
[2:01:12 - 2:01:14] ▶
EG&G Special Projects was like next door.
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because he didn't have clearances.
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His job was just a radiation health badge monitor.
[2:01:20 - 2:01:23] ▶
So people that get on the Janet flight
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he gives them their radiation badges.
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When they come home from work,
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they get off that Janet flight,
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they got to give them back,
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give those badges back to him.
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And his job is to check those badges every day
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to make sure that they're running.
[2:01:37 - 2:01:38] ▶
Okay, but he's not a theoretical physicist,
[2:01:38 - 2:01:39] ▶
but he does have engineering chops.
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Like he runs currently United Nuclear.
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He literally put a jet engine on the tobacco condom.
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That's just a tinkerer.
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He's also been twice convicted of felonies,
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I have no interest in Bob Lazar the person.
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The key question is,
[2:01:58 - 2:01:59] ▶
if he was proximate to information that he garbled,
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Could it be possibly that?
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To take the garbled message
[2:02:05 - 2:02:06] ▶
and associate QCD with two sectors,
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a Yang-Mills sector and a Pontryagin sector,
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and that the Chernvape representation
[2:02:12 - 2:02:14] ▶
of the Pontryagin sector inside of QCD
[2:02:14 - 2:02:17] ▶
associated with the theta term
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can lead to something
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which has Einstein-like properties,
[2:02:20 - 2:02:22] ▶
which is that the differenti...
[2:02:23 - 2:02:24] ▶
That would be remarkable.
[2:02:24 - 2:02:24] ▶
That would be remarkable.
[2:02:24 - 2:02:25] ▶
That would be absolutely remarkable.
[2:02:25 - 2:02:26] ▶
The vacuum energy of QCD is tremendous.
[2:02:26 - 2:02:29] ▶
So let's get into vacuum energy
[2:02:29 - 2:02:32] ▶
and zero-point what the source of energy
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is for all of these things.
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by certain attempts to mine...
[2:02:38 - 2:02:41] ▶
Like, if you look at
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the Heisenberg uncertainty relations,
[2:02:44 - 2:02:45] ▶
one of the great innovations in our time
[2:02:46 - 2:02:48] ▶
is that they've been associated
[2:02:48 - 2:02:50] ▶
to the symplectic form on phase space
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in ordinarily classical Hamiltonian dynamics.
[2:02:54 - 2:02:57] ▶
In other words, you take the space
[2:02:57 - 2:03:00] ▶
of configurations of a mug on a table,
[2:03:00 - 2:03:02] ▶
then you add the momenta,
[2:03:02 - 2:03:06] ▶
so that doubles the space,
[2:03:06 - 2:03:07] ▶
its size to go from configuration space
[2:03:08 - 2:03:11] ▶
position to position and momenta.
[2:03:12 - 2:03:14] ▶
there's a guaranteed object
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called the symplectic form
[2:03:17 - 2:03:19] ▶
that comes just out of the math.
[2:03:19 - 2:03:20] ▶
The big innovation was to say,
[2:03:20 - 2:03:23] ▶
that thing is actually
[2:03:24 - 2:03:27] ▶
at the base of a different structure
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called a line bundle,
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and it's the curvature tensor
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for this line bundle
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whose sections form the Hilbert space
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Effectively, in a certain sense...
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Do you mean fiber bundle?
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Well, yeah, it's a line bundle, exactly.
[2:03:44 - 2:03:46] ▶
That that line bundle,
[2:03:46 - 2:03:47] ▶
it's L2 sections properly taken,
[2:03:47 - 2:03:50] ▶
there's a whole rigmarole,
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sort of self-quantize the manifold.
[2:03:52 - 2:03:56] ▶
that the classical mechanics
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leads naturally to the quantum theory
[2:04:00 - 2:04:04] ▶
it's not an isolated degree 2 object,
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but a degree 2 object
[2:04:07 - 2:04:08] ▶
that comes as the curvature
[2:04:08 - 2:04:09] ▶
that we had not thought to study.
[2:04:10 - 2:04:12] ▶
If that's the source
[2:04:14 - 2:04:15] ▶
of the Heisenberg uncertainty relations,
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you can't get rid of.
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So if you try to mine it,
[2:04:20 - 2:04:22] ▶
that can't be lessened.
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to tap into the dark energy,
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if that is in fact a VEV,
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a vacuum expectation value,
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rather than a hard constant,
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as a on-demand power source?
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Do you work on that at all?
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No, but I looked at people
[2:04:47 - 2:04:49] ▶
their ruminations on that idea,
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and it looked pretty intelligent,
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but it wasn't very well-developed,
[2:04:54 - 2:04:56] ▶
So I think that would be
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a great direction to go,
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and I like where you're going here.
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I'm just trying to be constructive.
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Let me try another one.
[2:05:03 - 2:05:04] ▶
Yeah, I like where you're going.
[2:05:04 - 2:05:04] ▶
I think you pointed out
[2:05:04 - 2:05:05] ▶
some stuff I'm not aware of,
[2:05:05 - 2:05:06] ▶
other than the dark energy aspect,
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which I'm already aware of,
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which need to be followed up on.
[2:05:10 - 2:05:12] ▶
Imagine for the moment
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what we currently call space-time
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in its space of all point-wise
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so every way you could possibly have
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of measuring length and angle
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through a series of three rulers,
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and six protractors.
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That's a 14-dimensional object
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that I work with on a daily basis
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that I call the observers.
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We don't have to get too far into this,
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but the point that I want to make
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There are ways of traveling
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through time and space,
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and I want to say also
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that time really should always be times
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because the number of actual temporal dimensions
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we currently think is one,
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but it doesn't need to be one.
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We talk a lot about entanglement.
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We talk a lot about wormholes.
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We don't talk about pinch to zoom.
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We don't talk about what?
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Imagine that you pointed
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at a star that you wanted to visit,
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and imagine that you could find
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some way of traveling
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in 10 transverse dimensions.
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Where what you're doing
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is growing the ruler
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in the direction between you
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Now, once the ruler says one foot,
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you need the energy to walk one foot,
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not the energy to walk four light years.
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And then you have to put the ruler back,
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so you have to shrink the ruler
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to grow the distance
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after you've grown the ruler
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to shrink the distance.
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this is something like pinch to zoom,
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which doesn't work on an ordinary table,
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but if this was a smart table,
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it would be what's called
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a multi-touch gesture.
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Have you thought about
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whether multi-touch gestures
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or another one that I call
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might be built into the object
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that we confuse for space-time?
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It sounds plausible.
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I've seen hints of something like that
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in some books I've read
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very small hints of it,
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and I thought there was something to it
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that I just didn't follow up on.
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I would say that makes sense.
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That makes sense to me.
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That's a very interesting idea.
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Do you think much about dark chemistry?
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Like chemistry with dark matter.
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I haven't seen anybody
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use that phrase before.
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Supposedly dark matter
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doesn't interact with
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electromagnetic force level.
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Well, that's what we mean
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largely by dark, right?
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Because you can't see it.
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There's no luminosity involved.
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No exchange of photons
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that we can visibly see
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and collect a spectrum for.
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Well, we sort of have
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three long-range carriers.
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We have light, we have gravity,
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and we have neutrinos
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But let me ask you about
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that I don't understand.
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I keep hearing about
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interdimensional beings,
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to want to throw up in my mouth.
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People, I think that's colloquial.
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Do you know what they're?
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Interdimensional means
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you're going between dimensions.
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So I don't understand
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the word interdimensional beings.
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transverse other dimensions
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or traverse other dimensions.
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Does it mean something
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technical that's being
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that's interdimensional?
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three spatial dimensions,
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interdimensional already.
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And we move through time
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allegedly in one direction.
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So David Grush, I believe,
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used this phrase in a hearing.
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And he talked about holography.
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Yeah, Dave's not a physicist.
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So what I'm trying to...
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the point isn't to say
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whether somebody knows
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what they're talking about.
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assume that somebody does...
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Assume that the plumber
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comes to you and says,
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And I don't even know
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what these words mean,
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but here's what I heard.
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I'm just trying to...
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I don't care about...
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Yeah, I think he's heard that
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from his briefings given to...
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From the briefings given to him
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on the crash retrieval program.
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You know, he can't tell me
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that level of information
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at the classified level
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because I'm not cleared for it.
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on a superficial level,
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discuss it in the open,
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but I don't know what he...
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It sounds like he's garbling
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stuff at times, so...
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And if we had an adversary
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of multiple temporal dimensions
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where we're only aware of one,
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so we have an arrow of time
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and they would have...
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Like a right-hand rule of time.
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Have you thought much
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about the threat assessment
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as to what capabilities
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No, nobody does threat
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assessments like that,
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worth having a threat
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Are you aware of reports
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that we are being...
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I wouldn't say menaced,
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that we do not control
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Because it was definitive.
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We know this to be true.
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who are not related,
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seem like credible people.
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get into that level.
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to get a special access
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program and he failed
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Secretary of Defense
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And that was because
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He did it the wrong way
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which I'm trained on,
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in the security apparatus,
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Surely You're Joking
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and What Do You Care
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What Other People Think?
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It's been a long time
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Do you remember a story
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called Any Questions
[2:11:38 - 2:11:40] ▶
to Buffalo, New York
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because as a physics
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professor at Cornell,
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in an aerospace company?
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I vaguely remember that.
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what Richard Feynman
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where he's got patents
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for nuclear submarines,
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Are aerospace companies
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something that we don't understand
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where people actually
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did basic physics research,
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not material science,
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not something that's
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in fundamental physics?
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No, they wouldn't do that.
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So they wouldn't use it
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applied physics research.
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to fundamental physics
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a physics that could
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of a technological solution
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aerospace industry does.
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what it's supposed to do.
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What I'm trying to say is,
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anything in a container?
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I mean, in other words,
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you'd expect to find it.
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that theoretical physics
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into aerospace companies?
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I wouldn't say no to that.
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about fundamental physics
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in aerospace corporations,
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topological physics,
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aerospace corporation
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for four and a half years.
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a dozen or so physicists
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I was at Huntsville, Alabama.
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Because I was supporting
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the NASA Space Nuclear
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Propulsion Program office.
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it was more than two,
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in the whole country,
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in the whole company.
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And I'll have to tell you
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that not a single one,
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were doing any physics.
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Standard model in GR.
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from the front lines
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and none of them were.
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and Newtonian mechanics.
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on the standard model
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other guys that were.
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who went to my university,
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in general relativity theory.
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University of Arizona, Tucson?
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my head around this.
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a single top physicist
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to be fired instantly.
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and their bottom line
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a theoretical physicist.
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The claim is you have...
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They're not thinking
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in terms of fundamental physics
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if they're thinking...
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The supposed project.
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How are they doing on it?
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What's their level of success?
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as of my knowledge...
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that requires new physics,
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defy the laws of physics.
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We can't make progress
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and we have no physicists.
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That's because they don't...
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David, this can't...
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Eric, this can't add up.
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It's a two-line proof.
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It defies the laws of physics.
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We haven't made progress.
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We have no physicists.
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the laws of physics,
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that defied the laws of physics.
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on everybody's list.
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experimental physics,
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you have a bunch of people
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over the last 70 years,
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the foremost in my mind,
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at University of Alabama,
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saying that they're getting
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little weight reduction effects,
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gravitational shielding.
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They were incompetent.
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There is no weight reduction.
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Look at the two chapters
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on the Townsend-Brown effect.
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But there's the lead
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electrostatic scientist
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a private propellant-less
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of Townsend-Brown's effect.
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and that older subject matter
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for most of the point.
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without a theory back then
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it was hard for them
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to make it a useful force.
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His name's Charles Bueller.
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Talking junk science.
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the electrostatics guy?
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And then the physics chair
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of Ning Li's department
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left to join her company,
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in Army research lab money
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a producible for it.
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They didn't deliver anything
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He knew all of them.
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So the topological...
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in private aerospace,
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we just have to sort of guess.
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theoretical physicists,
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like Eric's colleagues
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on any of this stuff.
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it just feels sort of...
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the aerospace company,
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this is hypothetical,
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to my two industry sources.
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the government says,
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The industry contractors
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in terms of engineering.
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We're not going to do
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fundamental physics.
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experimental physics.
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It's not out of the realm
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to have an experimental
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physicist working there,
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they'll have to know
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they get the tasking
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to take apart a craft
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and how it's worked.
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That's how it works.
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for a theoretical physicist.
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that they would agree.
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That's how they operate.
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but because of that,
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that's why they don't,
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a theoretical physicist
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take apart a device.
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but that's how they operate.
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That's what the program
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manager and the government
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They get a sole source
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It's a sole source contract.
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they get the sole source
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tasking is to be done
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that needs to be done,
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apart piece by piece,
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reverse engineer it,
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put it back together again
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and try to figure out
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if they can make it work
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And that's all they do.
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They don't have tasking
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to hire a theoretical physicist
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about the standard model,
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beyond the standard model.
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they don't go there.
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They don't go there.
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These are engineering companies.
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They're not universities.
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And they don't even,
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to talk to universities
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because of the compartmentalization
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the odds of a cobbler
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how an iPhone worked
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So the same thing is true
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on your engineering.
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the Manhattan Project
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was an engineering project.
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There was a deliverable.
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But they had to have physicists.
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You're not giving me
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of why there were physicists
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in one and not the other.
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even if you had a wrong...
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It just doesn't make sense to you,
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Well, I asked my sort,
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oh, we didn't have any physicists.
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They had Bernie Heisch
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working in that company.
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He's an astrophysicist.
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He was a Max Planck Institute fellow.
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And he did astrophysics work
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because that company
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But an alternate hypothesis
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ever on such a program
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Because the physicist
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right through this thing
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Byfield-Brown effect here.
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to keep a dummy program going
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the presence of physicists
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to get a deliverable
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for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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Just on another note,
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the five people I knew of
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at that one legacy company,
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two of whom I met with
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I met with routinely
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was a mathematician,
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as a chief of security.
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was a material scientist.
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with the development
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of the F-117 fighter.
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what the other guy's
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but they were all engineers.
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That's what they were
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or two of disclosure?
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in which this is run
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without theoretical physics
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I would like to meet
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adults on this project
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that never made any sense
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as if they make sense.
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that we are being visited
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that dominate our airspace
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that we cannot understand
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do not know their origin,
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defy the laws of physics,
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and that this makes sense
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that should not be...
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I think that a mentally
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retarded golden retriever
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what do you hope for
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over the next few years?
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Well, I'm actually...
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I don't want to say I'm...
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I'm looking for a negative term here,
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and I'm not enthusiastic.
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Well, it's not enthusiastic.
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That's not the word.
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I think the Presidential
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Emergency Action Directives
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They were instituted
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in the White House administration,
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White House administration.
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So Eisenhower instituted that,
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and that's been carried forward
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on many different topics,
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Jim Semivan and I know
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that they were instituted
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that we've been discussing.
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So I am not hopeful...
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I guess that's the word
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meaningful disclosure
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because of the Presidential
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Emergency Action Directives,
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and I'm also not hopeful
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because I don't think
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has risen to a level
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of urgency in the White House
[2:25:19 - 2:25:21] ▶
as the Epstein files have.
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that Trump wants to execute
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against his political enemies,
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those are at the top.
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He's got his economic agenda,
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he's got his foreign policy agenda,
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tariffs and all that.
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it's just not rising to the top.
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That's your prognosis,
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but your hope is that
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we get full transparency
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outside of national security
[2:25:47 - 2:25:49] ▶
I'm hoping that he and I
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could get the keys to the door
[2:25:50 - 2:25:52] ▶
and we can talk to people
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where the fuck are your physicists?
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we're going to volunteer our time,
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I would love for both of us
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with Hal and some others
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and take a look at the hardware,
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I've heard physical descriptions
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Who said that he breached
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and walked inside of a UFO.
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And you believe him.
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because there's no reason
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because you were allowed
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has a UFO in its possession
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to access the inside of it.
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when you work with people
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we're not trained to lie
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and make up bullshit
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of lying and making up bullshit.
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we are people with clearances.
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We are responsible people.
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was a missiles engineer,
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missiles engineers I knew
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who worked at the DIA
[2:26:51 - 2:26:52] ▶
back in the 80s and,
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there's a lot of engineers
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not too many physicists
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that I ever ran across.
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just to pull it out of the air
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and throw people off.
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He's telling you the truth.
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That was during his time.
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This is exactly the truth
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whether this happened
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because he certainly
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All of us in the OSSAP,
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come from Kasky before.
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Was this at Lockheed
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I don't know where it was.
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It's just that he said,
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he didn't say in his book.
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I don't know if you've read
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I haven't read the book.
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where he went into that craft
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but I have a general idea
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based on conversations
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I've had with Jay Stratton.
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from the Clinton administration
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who was able to go there,
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to go see the program
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talk to the program,
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employees and leadership,
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look inside the craft.
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I met the program manager,
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the corporate security chief,
[2:28:13 - 2:28:14] ▶
and the chief scientist.
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after a lot of resistance
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this is what you're looking for.
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It is a crash retrieval,
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non-human intelligence,
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non-human technology,
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but we can't let you in
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because you don't have
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a need to know beyond that.
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but that's how it works.
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that really does work that way.
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that's going on beneath him
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because they're WUSAPs
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or SAPs or hidden SCIs.
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He doesn't have a need to know
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unless there's a reason
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and then they have to brief him.
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On that mind-blowing
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but also baffling note,
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and I'm glad we ended
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we share mutual hope
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I love this guy's mind.
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I love the way he was going
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in the last hour or so.
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this has really opened my mind
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my eyes on some things
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I want to start looking at now.
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That was an interesting conversation.
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coming away from that
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as far as an update,
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before the conversation,
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blessed with holy water
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by the physics community.
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I take general relativity
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almost as a constraint.
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seems almost recreational
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using known science?
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like if we could come up
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of matter and energy,
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then we could do this
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an Einstein-Rosen bridge,
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maybe the black hole
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that because it doesn't
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someplace at a speed
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Whatever these things
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assuming general relativity
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and the standard model,
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something that clearly
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if it exists at all.
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make primary contact
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we were just commenting
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dynamic of everybody
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seems to be circling
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to be in the program.
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which is not at all,
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we'll stop the analogy
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but it is this weird
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thing where it's like,
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it's this weird thing
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character who stumbled
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and they have no idea
[2:32:12 - 2:32:14] ▶
how the thing actually
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and that allows them
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as described at all.
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that there's a thing
[2:32:25 - 2:32:25] ▶
and it has a boundary
[2:32:25 - 2:32:28] ▶
and it has some structure
[2:32:28 - 2:32:29] ▶
and there's some money
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indicated on its surface
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that anyone can even
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does the tip of the iceberg
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is it actually an iceberg?
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at a tip of the iceberg
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we have a crash retrieval
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reverse engineering program,
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intelligent sleight of hand
[2:32:57 - 2:32:59] ▶
submerged in the water
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and that changes everything.
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something like that.
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there isn't a good one.
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There isn't a good one.
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unreliable narrators
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to contend with as well
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unprepared ontologies
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to contend with as well.
[2:33:27 - 2:33:28] ▶
giving you information.
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You have these witnesses
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giving you information,
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but they are a filter
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They're an ontology filter
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a reliability filter.
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on what they're saying
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for whatever is hiding
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So one of the questions
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that we were discussing
[2:33:52 - 2:33:54] ▶
in the legacy program,
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and I think all three
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of us are in a position
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to too many different people
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with different backgrounds
[2:34:04 - 2:34:06] ▶
about a something in common.
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where everybody sort of
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believes the jackalopes
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because there's an industry
[2:34:16 - 2:34:19] ▶
But assuming this thing
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because I can't imagine
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how you would fake it.
[2:34:25 - 2:34:26] ▶
So there's something
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and there's something
[2:34:33 - 2:34:33] ▶
where you're outside
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and people have to go back
[2:34:34 - 2:34:35] ▶
that there's a secret facility
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which you enter once
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and you never leave.
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This means almost certainly
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hidden in plain sight.
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that there may not be
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deep underground facilities
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I don't mean to say that.
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But people have to go home.
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you have to have plumbers
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and you have to have
[2:35:03 - 2:35:05] ▶
the theoretical physics
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at Renaissance Technologies
[2:35:28 - 2:35:30] ▶
and release a report
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announcement in July
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that it would create
[2:35:51 - 2:35:52] ▶
And they were seeing
[2:35:57 - 2:35:58] ▶
and they were looking
[2:36:01 - 2:36:01] ▶
into it in an official
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Renaissance Technologies
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head of his foundation.
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So I find that to be
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very interesting overlap.
[2:36:13 - 2:36:14] ▶
So there's this concept
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different meanings for it,
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to do what we expect
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to do with disclosure.
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The world of steady hands
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is often a very small world,
[2:36:47 - 2:36:49] ▶
so they reuse the same,
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that the same people
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on eight different issues.
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because the government
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The idea that you're
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there was a whole thing
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and I feel terrible,
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with the steady hands
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That you need people
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to spend credibility.
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And there are very few people
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who want to do that job.
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One other connection
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they meet in Santa Barbara.
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military-industrial complex.
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it's frontier physics,
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And you have this guy,
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who seems to be a part
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of the Jason Advisory
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but also seems to show up
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interesting as a heuristic
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and more institutional,
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military-industrial complex.
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of general relativity
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was such an important
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were seeing each other
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How the Hippies Saved Physics,
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about what gets done
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and all that kind of stuff.
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I think that there's
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the respectable world
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string theoretic physics
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isn't that string theory
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might be interesting.
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what do we have wrong?
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There is no conference
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that brings together
[2:40:16 - 2:40:18] ▶
of quantize gravity.
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about gauging gravity
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thought about gravity
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in this other context.
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Thank you very much.
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realized about myself
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essentially immediately,
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so that was my claim
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by complete accident
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lecture of Ed Witten
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of theoretical physics,
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to research articles
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down everybody's throat
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and general relativity
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quantum electrodynamics,
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so if the incompatibility
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geometric structure,
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differential geometric
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nature of the standard model,
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and that is the subject
[2:43:10 - 2:43:12] ▶
of the Wu Yang Dictionary,
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of a geometric origin
[2:43:16 - 2:43:18] ▶
that are not gravity
[2:43:20 - 2:43:21] ▶
but all the quantum fields
[2:43:21 - 2:43:23] ▶
is a very important clue.
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which is that it is gauged,
[2:43:29 - 2:43:30] ▶
that you can keep yourself
[2:43:31 - 2:43:33] ▶
that many different versions,
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you know that problem
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and it's all one elephant,
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aren't wandering around
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the elephant stupidly,
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they're just staying
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from all of these people
[2:43:51 - 2:43:53] ▶
and they're just looking
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at it from different
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a unity of knowledge.
[2:43:58 - 2:43:59] ▶
well, that it's a type
[2:44:05 - 2:44:06] ▶
called general coordinate
[2:44:11 - 2:44:14] ▶
that Einstein's theory
[2:44:19 - 2:44:20] ▶
you have this weird question.
[2:44:24 - 2:44:25] ▶
and general relativity
[2:44:31 - 2:44:31] ▶
So general relativity
[2:44:39 - 2:44:40] ▶
and the standard model
[2:44:40 - 2:44:41] ▶
that the standard model
[2:44:44 - 2:44:45] ▶
are called contraction
[2:44:48 - 2:44:49] ▶
of a separating barrier
[2:44:51 - 2:44:53] ▶
called a tensor product
[2:44:53 - 2:44:54] ▶
the Riemannian curvature
[2:45:00 - 2:45:02] ▶
to get the Ricci curvature.
[2:45:02 - 2:45:03] ▶
to get scalar curvature.
[2:45:04 - 2:45:05] ▶
He spun the scalar curvature
[2:45:05 - 2:45:06] ▶
this vile curvature.
[2:45:10 - 2:45:12] ▶
Whatever that operation was,
[2:45:12 - 2:45:13] ▶
that was the central idea
[2:45:13 - 2:45:14] ▶
of general relativity.
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to take the full curvature tensors
[2:45:19 - 2:45:20] ▶
in the standard model
[2:45:21 - 2:45:22] ▶
this contraction game.
[2:45:25 - 2:45:26] ▶
that the standard model
[2:45:29 - 2:45:30] ▶
there's a central reference
[2:45:30 - 2:45:32] ▶
the Levy-Cevita connection
[2:45:33 - 2:45:34] ▶
and there's no analog
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that give us photons
[2:45:37 - 2:45:38] ▶
and W and Z particles
[2:45:38 - 2:45:40] ▶
of the standard model,
[2:45:44 - 2:45:46] ▶
and this is the data
[2:45:51 - 2:45:52] ▶
the data of the particles
[2:45:53 - 2:45:55] ▶
In general relativity,
[2:45:59 - 2:46:00] ▶
if you think about this
[2:46:01 - 2:46:02] ▶
between the advantages
[2:46:12 - 2:46:13] ▶
of the standard model
[2:46:17 - 2:46:18] ▶
Levy-Cevita connection,
[2:46:20 - 2:46:21] ▶
to two different theories.
[2:46:26 - 2:46:27] ▶
the reason it's called
[2:46:28 - 2:46:29] ▶
that question really,
[2:46:30 - 2:46:31] ▶
are there any places
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where you get to use
[2:46:34 - 2:46:35] ▶
well, certainly in general
[2:46:40 - 2:46:41] ▶
you get all the benefits
[2:46:47 - 2:46:48] ▶
of the standard model
[2:46:51 - 2:46:53] ▶
in that freak class.
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how can you not devote
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your life to that fact?
[2:46:59 - 2:47:00] ▶
that we didn't gauge
[2:47:06 - 2:47:09] ▶
And there's old work
[2:47:11 - 2:47:12] ▶
with Einstein and Cartan,
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But it all got blown away
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Do you think that was
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by design or emergent?
[2:47:27 - 2:47:29] ▶
something that is insane,
[2:47:36 - 2:47:38] ▶
although modern people
[2:47:38 - 2:47:40] ▶
won't see it as such.
[2:47:40 - 2:47:41] ▶
of a group of people
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who've stagnated a field.
[2:47:49 - 2:47:50] ▶
you have to ask the question,
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why are these people
[2:48:06 - 2:48:08] ▶
still our leading physicists?
[2:48:08 - 2:48:10] ▶
I mean, this program failed.
[2:48:11 - 2:48:12] ▶
called the Reggie Calculus
[2:48:19 - 2:48:20] ▶
who had a bootstrap program
[2:48:24 - 2:48:26] ▶
thing that didn't work.
[2:48:27 - 2:48:29] ▶
We've had lots of ideas
[2:48:29 - 2:48:30] ▶
and it's part of the game
[2:48:31 - 2:48:32] ▶
and it's not a question
[2:48:32 - 2:48:33] ▶
of these are bad people,
[2:48:33 - 2:48:35] ▶
but they failed scientifically.
[2:48:35 - 2:48:36] ▶
that we are slavishly devoted
[2:48:41 - 2:48:43] ▶
that we don't offend
[2:48:44 - 2:48:46] ▶
and we're going to insult
[2:48:47 - 2:48:48] ▶
professionally insult
[2:48:50 - 2:48:51] ▶
everyone who's been saying
[2:48:51 - 2:48:53] ▶
this is not sensible.
[2:48:54 - 2:48:56] ▶
You saw what happened
[2:48:56 - 2:48:57] ▶
I sort of had to say,
[2:48:58 - 2:49:01] ▶
are remotely plausible
[2:49:02 - 2:49:03] ▶
that you're exploring.
[2:49:03 - 2:49:04] ▶
yeah, I know that now,
[2:49:07 - 2:49:08] ▶
but you can kind of tell
[2:49:09 - 2:49:11] ▶
none of this is going to work.
[2:49:12 - 2:49:13] ▶
And so both in string theory
[2:49:14 - 2:49:16] ▶
and in what he's doing,
[2:49:16 - 2:49:18] ▶
accepting that craft exists
[2:49:18 - 2:49:21] ▶
and can do miraculous things
[2:49:22 - 2:49:24] ▶
and the constraints are,
[2:49:24 - 2:49:26] ▶
he takes for himself,
[2:49:26 - 2:49:27] ▶
I'm not going to challenge
[2:49:27 - 2:49:28] ▶
or general relativity.
[2:49:29 - 2:49:29] ▶
What's the closest I can get
[2:49:30 - 2:49:32] ▶
from known science fact?
[2:49:33 - 2:49:34] ▶
you're a million miles away, buddy.
[2:49:36 - 2:49:38] ▶
you're not in the right zip code.
[2:49:39 - 2:49:40] ▶
that there is a vital core
[2:49:42 - 2:49:44] ▶
either geometric unity,
[2:49:46 - 2:49:48] ▶
to ontological truth
[2:49:51 - 2:49:52] ▶
than general relativity
[2:49:52 - 2:49:53] ▶
and quantum field theory?
[2:49:53 - 2:49:55] ▶
is I wouldn't have spent
[2:49:58 - 2:49:59] ▶
if I wasn't pretty confident
[2:50:01 - 2:50:04] ▶
so then the question would be
[2:50:07 - 2:50:09] ▶
or some other entity
[2:50:10 - 2:50:12] ▶
because what's interesting
[2:50:15 - 2:50:16] ▶
going on in UFO world
[2:50:17 - 2:50:19] ▶
like weird frameworks
[2:50:32 - 2:50:32] ▶
those Epstein emails
[2:50:35 - 2:50:36] ▶
and he's infiltrating
[2:50:43 - 2:50:46] ▶
told some real stuff.
[2:50:55 - 2:50:56] ▶
because particularly
[2:50:59 - 2:51:00] ▶
don't want to be conned
[2:51:02 - 2:51:05] ▶
this is an extremely
[2:51:07 - 2:51:08] ▶
You're going to be conned
[2:51:11 - 2:51:13] ▶
who's saying something
[2:51:16 - 2:51:16] ▶
interesting by listening.
[2:51:16 - 2:51:18] ▶
And in my estimation,
[2:51:19 - 2:51:21] ▶
interesting things to me
[2:51:24 - 2:51:25] ▶
that didn't originate
[2:51:26 - 2:51:28] ▶
It's like they've hired
[2:51:30 - 2:51:31] ▶
a hedge fund manager.
[2:51:33 - 2:51:34] ▶
I only met him once.
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for about an hour or so.
[2:51:37 - 2:51:39] ▶
But he was an absolutely
[2:51:40 - 2:51:42] ▶
It would be surprising
[2:51:45 - 2:51:46] ▶
to me if I was alone
[2:51:46 - 2:51:47] ▶
in that I immediately
[2:51:47 - 2:51:48] ▶
who had been constructed
[2:51:51 - 2:51:52] ▶
rather than something
[2:51:52 - 2:51:54] ▶
that had organically
[2:51:54 - 2:51:55] ▶
the financial community.
[2:51:55 - 2:51:56] ▶
It was like somebody
[2:51:56 - 2:51:58] ▶
who'd learned a phrase
[2:51:58 - 2:51:59] ▶
in a foreign language
[2:51:59 - 2:52:01] ▶
and he was repeating
[2:52:01 - 2:52:02] ▶
it as best he could.
[2:52:02 - 2:52:03] ▶
I don't think people
[2:52:05 - 2:52:06] ▶
really have a clear idea
[2:52:06 - 2:52:07] ▶
or the media training
[2:52:09 - 2:52:10] ▶
He clearly is a much
[2:52:16 - 2:52:17] ▶
much more informed person.
[2:52:17 - 2:52:19] ▶
the Santa Fe Institute
[2:52:20 - 2:52:22] ▶
when quarks were named
[2:52:34 - 2:52:36] ▶
because he had calculators.
[2:52:40 - 2:52:41] ▶
We had Texas instruments
[2:52:41 - 2:52:43] ▶
Okay, so this is what
[2:52:44 - 2:52:46] ▶
Bob Lazar, you know?
[2:52:47 - 2:52:49] ▶
Eric latched onto the fact
[2:52:49 - 2:52:51] ▶
that Lazar is lying.
[2:52:51 - 2:52:52] ▶
it's a little strange
[2:53:01 - 2:53:01] ▶
I know that there is
[2:53:02 - 2:53:04] ▶
reverse engineering program
[2:53:07 - 2:53:08] ▶
checks, to be honest.
[2:53:12 - 2:53:13] ▶
assassinate the person
[2:53:17 - 2:53:18] ▶
he was involved in XYZ.
[2:53:19 - 2:53:20] ▶
got delusions of grandeur.
[2:53:28 - 2:53:29] ▶
I'd never had the thought
[2:53:32 - 2:53:34] ▶
that the topological
[2:53:35 - 2:53:37] ▶
the Pontriagin class
[2:53:41 - 2:53:43] ▶
could be transgressed
[2:53:43 - 2:53:45] ▶
I'm going to explain
[2:53:55 - 2:53:56] ▶
the world to you kids
[2:53:56 - 2:53:57] ▶
and he starts talking garbage.
[2:53:57 - 2:53:58] ▶
When did you hear that
[2:53:59 - 2:54:00] ▶
about the theta sector
[2:54:01 - 2:54:02] ▶
and then look at it?
[2:54:02 - 2:54:03] ▶
It's an interesting question.
[2:54:03 - 2:54:04] ▶
with Terrence Howard
[2:54:10 - 2:54:11] ▶
and I have a great deal
[2:54:11 - 2:54:13] ▶
of fun with Terrence
[2:54:13 - 2:54:15] ▶
in the one or two areas
[2:54:24 - 2:54:26] ▶
doing something really new
[2:54:26 - 2:54:28] ▶
I had to pour cold water
[2:54:29 - 2:54:30] ▶
on most everything else
[2:54:30 - 2:54:31] ▶
of being taken seriously
[2:54:33 - 2:54:34] ▶
by somebody like me.
[2:54:34 - 2:54:35] ▶
In the case of Bob Lazar,
[2:54:36 - 2:54:37] ▶
I wouldn't have done
[2:54:41 - 2:54:42] ▶
the Terrence episode
[2:54:42 - 2:54:43] ▶
if I didn't have something
[2:54:43 - 2:54:45] ▶
which is Terrence found
[2:54:48 - 2:54:49] ▶
one remarkable thing,
[2:54:49 - 2:54:50] ▶
So with one remarkable thing,
[2:54:53 - 2:54:54] ▶
I'm willing to do it.
[2:54:54 - 2:54:55] ▶
it's a character assassination.
[2:54:55 - 2:54:56] ▶
I did not want to sit down
[2:54:57 - 2:54:59] ▶
and do a character assassination.
[2:54:59 - 2:55:02] ▶
Just characterologically,
[2:55:02 - 2:55:03] ▶
I don't like going after
[2:55:03 - 2:55:04] ▶
I go after institutions.
[2:55:05 - 2:55:06] ▶
these are frameworks
[2:55:09 - 2:55:09] ▶
that were given to him.
[2:55:09 - 2:55:10] ▶
the physics department.
[2:55:13 - 2:55:13] ▶
is that whenever you get
[2:55:17 - 2:55:18] ▶
to real academic physics,
[2:55:18 - 2:55:21] ▶
to a tiny number of people.
[2:55:22 - 2:55:24] ▶
that the outside world
[2:55:26 - 2:55:27] ▶
about frontier physics.
[2:55:29 - 2:55:30] ▶
One, it's a tiny world
[2:55:30 - 2:55:33] ▶
because it's so difficult.
[2:55:33 - 2:55:34] ▶
in terms of human ability.
[2:55:40 - 2:55:41] ▶
he was in the physics department,
[2:55:42 - 2:55:43] ▶
I don't think he did.
[2:55:43 - 2:55:44] ▶
I think Joe told me.
[2:55:45 - 2:55:47] ▶
There's a statement somewhere
[2:55:47 - 2:55:48] ▶
where he said he had physics
[2:55:48 - 2:55:49] ▶
Going back to the early 90s,
[2:55:50 - 2:55:52] ▶
that was part of the early.
[2:55:52 - 2:55:53] ▶
I think it was just MIT,
[2:55:53 - 2:55:55] ▶
but I think my read on it
[2:55:55 - 2:55:58] ▶
University-affiliated
[2:56:00 - 2:56:02] ▶
and they do spooky shit.
[2:56:04 - 2:56:06] ▶
Right, MIT and Lincoln Labs.
[2:56:11 - 2:56:12] ▶
are different sorts of entities.
[2:56:13 - 2:56:15] ▶
at Draper or Lincoln?
[2:56:20 - 2:56:22] ▶
if you're talking to somebody
[2:56:22 - 2:56:23] ▶
from MIT and Lincoln Labs,
[2:56:23 - 2:56:24] ▶
something defense-related.
[2:56:34 - 2:56:38] ▶
not high-level theoretical,
[2:56:42 - 2:56:44] ▶
how did I come to think
[2:56:48 - 2:56:49] ▶
according to my own rules
[2:56:56 - 2:56:58] ▶
I don't hunt people,
[2:57:09 - 2:57:10] ▶
I don't like the ethos.
[2:57:11 - 2:57:12] ▶
I would have to find
[2:57:15 - 2:57:15] ▶
in what he's saying.
[2:57:18 - 2:57:19] ▶
of making this make sense?
[2:57:22 - 2:57:23] ▶
I couldn't figure out
[2:57:25 - 2:57:25] ▶
this gravity wave A,
[2:57:25 - 2:57:26] ▶
Askren versus Musvidal.
[2:57:34 - 2:57:35] ▶
I don't want to do that.
[2:57:35 - 2:57:36] ▶
And then I found that
[2:57:36 - 2:57:40] ▶
and that was the thing
[2:57:40 - 2:57:41] ▶
that was going to allow me
[2:57:41 - 2:57:42] ▶
to sit down with Bob Lazar.
[2:57:42 - 2:57:43] ▶
You could be saying something.
[2:57:43 - 2:57:45] ▶
I don't think he'd be able
[2:57:47 - 2:57:47] ▶
that idea that he presents.
[2:57:48 - 2:57:49] ▶
Okay, but it's a formal possibility.
[2:57:49 - 2:57:52] ▶
as an author of the material,
[2:57:54 - 2:57:56] ▶
these are frameworks
[2:57:58 - 2:57:58] ▶
provided to me elsewhere.
[2:57:58 - 2:58:00] ▶
He wouldn't try to take
[2:58:00 - 2:58:02] ▶
Well, the other thing
[2:58:05 - 2:58:05] ▶
that even mathematicians
[2:58:06 - 2:58:08] ▶
really get this wrong
[2:58:08 - 2:58:09] ▶
who didn't get it wrong
[2:58:10 - 2:58:11] ▶
bizarrely was Jeff Epstein,
[2:58:11 - 2:58:12] ▶
he's talking to somebody.
[2:58:13 - 2:58:14] ▶
of a differential equation.
[2:58:23 - 2:58:24] ▶
So if differential equations
[2:58:25 - 2:58:26] ▶
how the world develops,
[2:58:27 - 2:58:28] ▶
of a differential equation
[2:58:31 - 2:58:32] ▶
and count the maximal
[2:58:34 - 2:58:36] ▶
number of derivatives
[2:58:36 - 2:58:37] ▶
that the Einstein field
[2:58:44 - 2:58:45] ▶
equations are second order
[2:58:45 - 2:58:46] ▶
and the Maxwell's equations
[2:58:46 - 2:58:49] ▶
There's a different thing
[2:58:50 - 2:58:51] ▶
which is you can say,
[2:58:52 - 2:58:52] ▶
in fundamental force law,
[2:58:54 - 2:58:56] ▶
the curvature tensor
[2:58:57 - 2:58:58] ▶
how many derivatives
[2:59:00 - 2:59:00] ▶
I take of the curvature
[2:59:00 - 2:59:02] ▶
would be zero with order
[2:59:07 - 2:59:08] ▶
in that way of writing it
[2:59:08 - 2:59:10] ▶
and Yang-Mills theory
[2:59:10 - 2:59:11] ▶
would be first order
[2:59:11 - 2:59:12] ▶
in Yang-Mills theory,
[2:59:15 - 2:59:16] ▶
you take zero difference,
[2:59:16 - 2:59:17] ▶
you just do linear algebra
[2:59:18 - 2:59:19] ▶
to the curvature tensor
[2:59:19 - 2:59:21] ▶
in general relativity.
[2:59:21 - 2:59:23] ▶
and Einstein-Hilberts
[2:59:30 - 2:59:31] ▶
are basically playing
[2:59:32 - 2:59:33] ▶
in the two theories.
[2:59:35 - 2:59:37] ▶
and the key features
[2:59:40 - 2:59:43] ▶
they're both zero with order
[2:59:44 - 2:59:46] ▶
Ola-Lagrange equation,
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which is very hard to do.
[2:59:48 - 2:59:49] ▶
which is more broadly
[2:59:56 - 2:59:57] ▶
which currently lives
[3:00:01 - 3:00:02] ▶
only in dimension three
[3:00:02 - 3:00:03] ▶
in its most strict sense,
[3:00:03 - 3:00:05] ▶
and Einstein-Hilbert,
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interesting connection.
[3:00:20 - 3:00:21] ▶
And that takes us back,
[3:00:28 - 3:00:30] ▶
to Renaissance Technologies,
[3:00:31 - 3:00:33] ▶
what has the largest
[3:00:34 - 3:00:35] ▶
differential geometers
[3:00:36 - 3:00:37] ▶
I more or less accused
[3:00:39 - 3:00:41] ▶
shortly before he died.
[3:00:42 - 3:00:43] ▶
it was very collegial
[3:00:47 - 3:00:48] ▶
the closest Lagrangian
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to Einstein-Hilbert.
[3:00:54 - 3:00:55] ▶
We don't usually talk
[3:00:55 - 3:00:56] ▶
completely bizarre interchange.
[3:01:02 - 3:01:04] ▶
as the closest thing
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to the characteristics
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of the Einstein-Hilbert action,
[3:01:23 - 3:01:24] ▶
which is the integral
[3:01:24 - 3:01:25] ▶
of the scalar curvature
[3:01:25 - 3:01:26] ▶
the space-time manifold.
[3:01:27 - 3:01:28] ▶
of the vial curvature
[3:01:36 - 3:01:37] ▶
Riemann curvature tensor.
[3:01:40 - 3:01:42] ▶
you've churned Simons,
[3:01:50 - 3:01:51] ▶
in the Einsteinian case.
[3:01:52 - 3:01:53] ▶
they're extraordinarily
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inside of a parent theory?
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And the parent theory
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combines Einstein-Hilbert
[3:02:03 - 3:02:05] ▶
geometric unity does.
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gives you contraction.
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contracting and gauging,
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which you're not supposed
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under most circumstances.
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you're going to have
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to Albert Einstein's
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when this is all done,
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not that you're making
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an Einsteinian discovery,
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that will replace Einstein
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this is unbelievably
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for Geometry and Physics
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to have to understand
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that I have a family
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So I'm going to need
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a little bit of help
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with the heavy lifting
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of relocating the family
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when we can't afford
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do you have any idea
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where you get the money?
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And I looked at him.
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I couldn't parse it.
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It just doesn't add up.
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you just didn't want
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to grovel at that point
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And that's so crazy.
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Did you get the vibe
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that he was genuinely
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that sound like this.
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I had a meeting with him,
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of modern economics.
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he happens to be married
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just so it's not thought
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or too cool for school,
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differential calculus
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we call it gauge theory
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and we only teach people
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who are very high up
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or theoretical physics.
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We should teach gauge theory
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it's an indispensable way
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of looking at the world
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differential calculus
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called the marginal revolution,
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borrowed for the name
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And that was the penetration
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of the differential calculus
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together with Pia Malani,
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neoclassical economics
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And that was not taken well
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by the Harvard Economics Department,
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particularly by one man
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named Dale Jorgensen,
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who was the chairman
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and basically went nuts
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is that he was tasked
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and Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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in the consumer price index
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to transfer a trillion dollars
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because all tax receipts
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and all social security payments
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both at the same time
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by making a technical adjustment
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You'll notice that many of us
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are experiencing inflation
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that's not fully reflected
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there was a crime going on
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which the Boskin Commission
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against the American people
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a 1.1% overstatement
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that Melani and myself
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and there's a completely
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didn't want any competition.
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I've never thought about this
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and projection operators.
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are so off the chart.
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Your wife is an economist.
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You're a differential geometer.
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You're in the same situation I am.
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Did you get here first?
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it was a very long pause
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he actually made money,
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you'd be so disappointed.
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but there's certainly,
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I'm the first person,
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a math physics background
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I'm not really positive
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is just a hedge fund.
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they're like North Korean returns.
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And then the dear leader,
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ascended to the mountaintop
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the seven most beautiful symphonies
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on a winged unicorn.
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the following four funds.
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Renaissance Technologies,
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It was a strange thing
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how the whole thing worked.
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there is a very strange
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property of government
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which is the only thing
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is compartmentalization.
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The general belief is
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that people will always talk
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and you have to have
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with enough granularity
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that nobody can put together
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what's actually going on.
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Brookhaven National Labs
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is the site of Cosmetron,
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which is the largest
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particle accelerator
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No, it's interesting.
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they have a particle accelerator
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pretty powerful up there.
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They have Stony Brook,
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is definitely punching
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above its weight class
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when it comes to physics,
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which has some interesting also.
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Particularly mathematics.
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Particularly mathematics.
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Also some interesting
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architecture up there
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And then you have this fund,
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it's just always sort of,
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performing at the same clip.
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And I guess my question would be,
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do you think this was sort of
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I think it's not irresponsible.
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conspiracy theorizing,
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which is that you go back
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of actual conspiracies
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a standard deviation
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that's known to exist.
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top math physics talent.
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duplicitous filings.
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they didn't want people
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to know that plutonium
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radioactive elements
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that they were focused on.
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They didn't want people
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realizing that it was
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as it turned out to be.
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interest just stops.
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that Los Alamos exists
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that the Rad Lab exists,
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the Radiation Laboratory
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a bunch of these things,
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like dummy companies
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like Southern Air Transport
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that's not the problem.
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The secret squirrels
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don't want smart Americans
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we're going to spread
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everybody who speculates
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about the secret world
[3:11:37 - 3:11:38] ▶
There's only one reason
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about the secret world,
[3:11:41 - 3:11:42] ▶
And I really despise this.
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was entirely responsible.
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the National Security Agency
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because I would say,
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tell me where number theorists
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there's this little cluster.
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Maryland or Delaware
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and you'd find Fort Meade.
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in Renaissance Technologies.
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so are you actually,
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what's in it or not.
[3:12:24 - 3:12:25] ▶
there is a Manhattan 3.0
[3:12:29 - 3:12:32] ▶
and it's about gravity
[3:12:32 - 3:12:34] ▶
and post-Einsteinian
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where is its brain trust?
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With 95% confidence,
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it's Renaissance Technologies.
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is there such a program?
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I don't know that my confidence
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If there is a secret program,
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it's Renaissance Technologies.
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Some percentage times 95%
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Well, that's the thing.
[3:13:02 - 3:13:02] ▶
it might well not be,
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doing at a boarding school,
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in the New Mexico wilderness?
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that's a really strange place
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It's an odd concentration
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of the country's top physicists.
[3:13:28 - 3:13:30] ▶
in secondary education
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something you've noted.
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in the age of disclosure
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and you have D&I level people.
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You have James Clapper,
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Wait, wait, wait, wait,
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I just want to say this thing.
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I don't want to speculate
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against Renaissance technologies
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if they're just really good
[3:14:01 - 3:14:02] ▶
I'm not trying to bring
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darkness to their door,
[3:14:06 - 3:14:08] ▶
but if we're going to play
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this cat and mouse game
[3:14:09 - 3:14:11] ▶
and I'll just get very,
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very pointed about it.
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Do not mess with your expert class.
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The current strategy
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of dealing with the expert class
[3:14:26 - 3:14:27] ▶
to whatever this is,
[3:14:28 - 3:14:30] ▶
That we've got some personal problem
[3:14:34 - 3:14:38] ▶
that we're working at.
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with extreme prejudice.
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because you were dumb enough
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not to read them in,
[3:14:48 - 3:14:50] ▶
and then they figured out
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something of what you were doing.
[3:14:52 - 3:14:53] ▶
I don't know the specifics,
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Well, the other issue
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with the way things have gone,
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if we take Eric Davis
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on there being no physicists
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in this vital secret core program.
[3:15:05 - 3:15:08] ▶
How did you react to that, Jesse?
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Let me turn it around.
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if that is the case,
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it's extremely irresponsible
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and it's not being run well at all.
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Why would you be operating
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you have an overturning
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of our physical model
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And if you're telling me
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that you were getting
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material that you were saying,
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with a hundred percent confidence
[3:15:48 - 3:15:49] ▶
because it's been atomically bonded
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or has isotope ratios
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a lot of these guys saying.
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And then you were saying,
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that we've set on ourselves
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I'm following my contract.
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that's just nonsense.
[3:16:13 - 3:16:13] ▶
And everybody repeats this
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if you gave the excuse,
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because it's Wednesday
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and everybody said that,
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you sort of get a nerd to it,
[3:16:27 - 3:16:28] ▶
but then you realize,
[3:16:28 - 3:16:29] ▶
That had nothing to do
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You have to be highly disagreeable
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makes no sense at all.
[3:16:38 - 3:16:39] ▶
I think national security
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And so once something
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from a national security
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national security issue
[3:16:55 - 3:16:56] ▶
with any of this material,
[3:16:59 - 3:17:00] ▶
and brightest on it.
[3:17:03 - 3:17:04] ▶
the stove piping of it
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would be an immediate,
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that you would figure out.
[3:17:09 - 3:17:10] ▶
Or you'd put the best
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on top of the stove pipes.
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which is what we did
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we have cowboys still.
[3:17:19 - 3:17:21] ▶
It's not tracing physics.
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who can do this work.
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being dysfunctional,
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is you have this narrative
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and all of this stuff
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and aerospace contractors
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because if they retrieve
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under the Atomic Energy Act
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it's sort of DOE jurisdiction,
[3:17:58 - 3:18:00] ▶
Then you end up with,
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and not particularly
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a ranch in New Mexico
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of the nuclear weapons
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the Manhattan Project.
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because the scientists
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they cut the funding
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for high energy physics.
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be more forthcoming.
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the strength theorists
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get them more money.
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it doesn't make any sense.
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that I was trying to,
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so that it's not evident.
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Who thought this up?
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is the United States
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I just don't grasp it.
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to the superconducting
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You have all of these
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Who were the first people
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with the piano players.
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that the first thing
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is kill your scientists.
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they look like a joke.
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They're playing around
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lying about all the progress
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is that until you pay
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from around their throats
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and their respectability,
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interpretation of this,
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and I hate to say it,
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the world's most vital
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intellectual community,
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theoretical physicists.
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these people are now
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before this last tranche.
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many different programs.
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It wasn't even Epstein
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probably running it.
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or whatever you want
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But that does not mean
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that it was Jeffrey Epstein.
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He was not a policymaker.
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I don't know who he was.
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And one of the things
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conspiracy theorizing
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Get used to I don't know.
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I don't know in the story.
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special access project
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If it was in the U.S. government,
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it would be a special access.
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Somebody was running
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They hired the wrong actor
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that great of a friend end.
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Many different things
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were going through it
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So that plane of his
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is not the Lolita Express.
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that belonged to the project.
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And it ferried different people
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for different purposes.
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is not pedophile island.
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That island may have had
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and horrific things going on.
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But it's simply a container
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for whatever was going on
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through this project.
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So now you have the question
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about to what extent
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were the scientists implicated?
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saying he was doing another?
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The Department of Energy
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has counterintelligence assets
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You're not supposed to let
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with no ostensible means
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of achieving his fortune
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by an enormous ranch,
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of talking to high energy
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and weapons physicists
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at the end of the Cold War
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as they lose their funding.
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And who blew the fact
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released information,
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this is the first thing
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I was looking for this,
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set up listening posts.
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He had another listening post
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called One Brattle Square.
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It's in Cambridge, Massachusetts,
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Let me spell this out
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for the kids at home.
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The analog of Los Alamos
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is the Harvard Math Department.
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The analog of nuclear
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and theoretical physics
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and high energy physics
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The benefits of knowing about this,
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In Cambridge, Massachusetts,
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it might be cryptography.
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you work with Murray Gelman.
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In Cambridge, Massachusetts,
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you work with Martin Nowak.
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Your base of operations
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is called Zorro Ranch.
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In Cambridge, Massachusetts,
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it's called Office 610
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at One Brattle Square.
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But whoever is supposed
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to protect our crown jewels
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that he was going to make
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a baby manufacturing facility
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and that he was doing
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evolutionary dynamics at Harvard.
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aren't cover stories.
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Well, what you just articulated,
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I think only a specific milieu
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of people could even strategize
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for, like, clearly Epstein himself
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wasn't making that calculation.
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Listen to what Bannon
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you bought this ranch
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the Santa Fe Institute?
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the Santa Fe Institute?
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Not Jeffrey Epstein.
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What year was it founded?
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that Jeffrey Epstein
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founded the Santa Fe Institute,
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behind the Santa Fe Institute.
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what he's talking about.
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Yeah, and then he says,
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what these things mean.
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three-dimensional space.
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of second generation
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we very well understand
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what a lot of it means
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it has this property
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of asymptotic freedom
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it's the only theory
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we have that's physical
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to the Planck level.
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This guy had no idea
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what he's talking about.
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He didn't have an idea
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of what he was talking
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about in currency trading.
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Harvard's math department.
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That's what I'm saying.
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because what you just
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and those two places.
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But nobody's thinking
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because the emphasis
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on evolutionary dynamics.
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doesn't know anything
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about number theory.
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who started the program
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in evolutionary dynamics?
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There's a different guy
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who's a number theorist.
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And Harvard references
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an imaginative proposal
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and Jeffrey Epstein.
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so his initial contact
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was a number theorist.
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that's about crypto.
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I don't know what happened,
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I hate saying it this way.
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Are there no smart people?
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a hundred of my friends
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should be on this thing.
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they've got everyone scared
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that to utter the words
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why were all of these
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hanging on Jeffrey Epstein's
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Have you ever noticed
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how interesting astrology
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when it's explained to you
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in a really low cut dress?
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That makes everything
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when rich people are around,
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it has much the same effect.
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that is so insightful.
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That's what all these people
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because the Vannevar Bush
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has been welched upon.
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all this UFO stuff goes?
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more official disclosures
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at a very high level
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You hear smatterings
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interviewed Ross Coulthart
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to get to the bottom
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of the Epstein files?
[3:30:46 - 3:30:47] ▶
about Washington, D.C.
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who don't understand
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what Washington, D.C.
[3:31:05 - 3:31:06] ▶
who outside of the Beltway
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Trump gets implicated
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Or it's insanely lucrative
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instead of to disclose.
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this information is,
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assume it's the cover story
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that is easy to create
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and completely dangerous.
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I keep giving the example
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on the opposite side
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latitude and longitude
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you point a mythological gun
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in a particular direction.
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you calculate the effect
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and then you vaporize it.
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cell phone coordinates,
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suddenly that person
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This is like a scalar weapon
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imagine that this existed.
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that you can transmit energy
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that you can transmit neutrinos
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through an entire planet
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and they'll go through.
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how to recombine neutrinos
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I don't wanna get into it,
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if I can have a beam
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because I could direct
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and then I get a decay
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in this particular direction,
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and get them to convert
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and protect a particular,
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That's a theoretical idea.
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that everyone on Earth
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That'd be terrifying.
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What if you could unhook
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whether hidden in physics
[3:33:53 - 3:33:55] ▶
our power is so vast
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who sees what could happen
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keeps their mouth shut.
[3:34:01 - 3:34:02] ▶
that if geometric unity
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it doesn't even have
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it just has to be rich.
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that there is no interest
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from the very people
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The Office of Naval Research
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funded my graduate education,
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and the National Science Foundation
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funded my postdoctoral position.
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a Department of Energy grant,
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which is very unusual
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because Isadora Singer
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None of those people
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which is fascinating
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because even if it's wrong,
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I wouldn't take the chance.
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It's a studied level
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that doesn't really add up.
[3:35:05 - 3:35:06] ▶
are almost certainly wrong.
[3:35:09 - 3:35:10] ▶
If I were the government,
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I would want to keep tabs
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of the competent people.
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whether they're wrong.
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They're just dangerous.
[3:35:18 - 3:35:19] ▶
What if they're right?
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Do you have a mental model
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is coming out more now,
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this New York Times article?
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things are breaking.
[3:35:29 - 3:35:30] ▶
I was thinking about
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posting an interview
[3:35:36 - 3:35:37] ▶
that was done recently
[3:35:39 - 3:35:41] ▶
string theorist madness
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this phrase in Latin
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I don't have to throw
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is about to figure it all out
[3:36:07 - 3:36:08] ▶
cock-blocking mechanism
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dangerous physics work
[3:36:16 - 3:36:18] ▶
are happening right now
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because the old order
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out from the architects.
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genius administrators
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of what the structures
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people who've inherited
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basically don't even
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is that the architects
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and then you probably
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engineering problem.
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about all this stuff.
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the most imaginative
[3:40:30 - 3:40:31] ▶
but another alternative
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engineering program.
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formally instantiated
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physics experiments.
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figured out mid-century,
[3:42:58 - 3:42:59] ▶
have propulsion based
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this tech protection
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thing by intentionally
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of scientific inquiry,
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engineering program,
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that is human craft.
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conventional physics
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that you'd like to add?
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but during peacetime
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inside of a national
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There'd be a question
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that this is possible?
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figured out something
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that the entire system
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the zero-day exploit.
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of national security.
[3:45:21 - 3:45:23] ▶
relatively recently,
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really good spoofing
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the Pizzagate people
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seemed ridiculous four
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would be so terrified
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of having their secret
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revealed that they'd be
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willing to do almost
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anything to avoid that
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It's a stain that can
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be used, weaponized.
[3:51:17 - 3:51:19] ▶
Like hazing rituals,
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it's easy to see them
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as brutal, but that's
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not the function they
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It's like people don't
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The mob is a contract
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enforcement service for
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enterprises that cannot
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It's not violent because
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violent, and it's not
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violent because these
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people love violence.
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The idea is you have
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sharking contract, you
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know, or a gambling.
[3:51:48 - 3:51:49] ▶
Some, somebody has to
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be pedophilia was used
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Pedophilia is trust.
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say that, but that's
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that circle to commit
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know, how do I know I
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It's always a question.
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It's shared consequence.
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And the key point is
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shared consequence is a
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resource and a ritual.
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And all of these things
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are used to direct that
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What you're seeing in the
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Epstein world is a high
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I think it's, yeah, I
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guess it's an enforcement
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It's like a, you know,
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made man mafia system.
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There's an email from
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alleges that he got in
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deeper than he meant to.
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He was told to do this.
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He didn't really mean any
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It just came out in the
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And it speaks to this
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notion of an enforcement
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campaign and enforcement
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that in general, most of
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us are unfamiliar with how
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effective silent systems
[3:53:06 - 3:53:08] ▶
If you think about the
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Valachi papers and, you
[3:53:11 - 3:53:13] ▶
know, how the mob lost
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Omerta and the innovation
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of the Rico acts and all
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That was about, I think
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that the rule was that you
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killed every informant up
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Like completely over the top
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But that's how it worked.
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And what was the, what was
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the way that these people
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referred to each other as
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men of honor honors the
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Of course, I'm going to
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honor you and you're going
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to honor me because it's
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It's too dangerous to
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contemplate anything else.
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My guess is, is that right
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now there's no one that can
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be hung out to dry because
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the first person who gets
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So Bill Clinton saying, of
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course, I'd love to talk to
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Congress, bring them on.
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I don't think he wants to
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What I think he wants to do
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is to say, if you make me
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the fall guy, think about,
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think about what you're
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It's a little shot across
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I think it, I think it's
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got a lot to Trump's, Trump's
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dump of these documents was
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3 million shots across the
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Also, we should note this
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was probably the sanitized
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version of these documents.
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This isn't even the sanitized
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version of these documents.
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They've also set up the idea
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of, okay, well, these 3
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million of the last year are
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getting ever good, but the
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other, not the 3 million.
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So then what is everybody
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They're going to chant.
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We want the other 3 million.
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We'll give you the last of
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And you just fell into the
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Who said there were 6 million
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If this guy ran a hedge fund,
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that was a multi-billion dollar
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currency trading hedge fund.
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How many documents does a hedge
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fund throw off just due to
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Nobody's making any sense at all.
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What you're seeing is a bunch of
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deeply grooved people not thinking
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And they're, they're happy to
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repeat the heterodox version of
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the script that they're handed, but
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it's not the heterodox who are
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Well, I'm officially demoralized
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Don't do that, Jesse.
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Well, I appreciate, I mean,
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sometimes, you know, the truth
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sucks and you're a very incisive
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thinker and you have a way of
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Sometimes they're dark truths and
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realities that others don't.
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So I really appreciate your brain.
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but can we just finish it positively?
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Well, if you don't mind,
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imagine that we threw off this UFO
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yoke and imagine that we just
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pushed on one, one particular place,
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which is Eric Davis saying,
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we have things that defy the laws of
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physics and no physicists.
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Imagine that the UFO community got
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really smart instead of doing what it
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always does and said, we're going to
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push on this one thing.
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How can you be threatened by craft that
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do not obey the laws of physics and make
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sure that the one type of person who could
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possibly help with this is to be found
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nowhere on the scene?
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So the opportunity is, is that if Tulsi Gabbard
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or JD Vance or any one of these people
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sees this and says, I could change that
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I could snap my fingers and get an allocation of
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several million dollars.
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I can get a few theoretical physicists.
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Would change absolutely everything because one
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of the top theories has to be that the reason you
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can't have a theoretical physicist on this is that
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there are no graph that defy the laws of physics.
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I hope they put that to the test because Eric
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Davis is actually on record as part of James Fox's
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last movie saying, if you give me blanket immunity, I
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will say everything I know.
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And so I, I, I hope that they are able to just, you
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know, dress these people down.
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But we could, we could in a, in a, in a better world that
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we're not that far from push to have the one group of
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people who could crack this case for us, the detectives
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of our choice inserted.
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They were trained on our dollars.
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They're supported on our dollars.
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We have an arrangement with them.
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It's basically like not calling Delta Force when you've
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got a hostage rescue situation.
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An interdisciplinary symposium where maybe the
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physicists are at the top.
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They're hanging out, but you also might have some other
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Don't bring in the mushrooms and the conscious.
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Let's just do theoretical physics and leave the rest
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Well, to be continued, that's its whole other debate
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we can have or whatever, but I agree with the burning
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Well, thank you, Eric.
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Jack appreciate you.
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I think this is going to be a historic episode.
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