This interview, hosted by Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, features Dr. James Lacatski, a former Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) officer who was central to the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Applications Program (AAWSAP) and a related initiative called Kona Blue. Lacatski presents what he describes as a truthful account of these classified programs, claiming the official narrative surrounding UAP investigations is deliberately misleading. He alleges the existence of ongoing disinformation campaigns orchestrated by the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) and details a cover-up regarding recovered UAP materials.
A central claim made by Lacatski is that the Kona Blue program, despite being officially “canceled,” continues to operate in a concealed manner. He further asserts that U.S. teams have successfully accessed the interior of a recovered UAP, uncovering propulsion technology that defies conventional scientific understanding. The conversation touches on various individuals involved in the UAP field, including Senator Harry Reid, businessman Bob Bigelow, and researcher Colm Kelleher, as well as the challenges of securing funding for UAP research and the alleged targeting of whistleblowers through counterintelligence operations.
Lacatski’s statements suggest a deep level of internal conflict and manipulation within the U.S. government regarding UAP disclosure. He implies that congressional hearings are largely performative, and that the true extent of knowledge about UAP technology is being withheld from the public. He references a substantial collection of 1,200 pages of declassified documents as containing more substantial information than any public congressional testimony.
The interview positions Lacatski as a key insider offering a critical perspective on the UAP issue, and frames the situation as a “controlled chaos” designed to obscure the truth. He’s promoting a new book detailing his experiences within the covert UFO program, and the discussion aims to present what Corbell and Knapp characterize as a more complete and honest account of the government’s involvement with UAP phenomena.