He's this architect of MKUltra and early CIA mind control techniques.
But you think about like when did MKUltra start?
And the idea that they were that sophisticated at the very start of MKUltra where they could convince these sort of elite members of society that they were in touch with these specific extraterrestrial beings.
And I think people don't realize a lot of that MKUltra stuff happened much earlier, but they were doing this work in 62, 63 of like send, basically sending messages to, to people's heads, you know, and, and we have footage.
Some of them being chip implantations done basically for MKUltra purposes.