All these people conducting this seance were bringing in these nine maybe extraterrestrial
We have tape recordings of him meditating in the king's chamber.
These people weren't looking to be in the spotlight.
It's like stranger things in real life.
Delgado, implanted radio receivers in the heads of bull.
And how did he come to be one of these kind of renegade spooky scientists involved in mind control?
I think he started in 47.
He was very interested in that.
It's this special program where basically they recruit students who they believe could be useful to whatever they're planning on doing in certain categories of the Army, whether it be medical, so forth.
And they saw something in him all the way back in 47 when he was a medical student.
And he very rarely, in fact, I've never even heard him mention this in all the stuff I've listened to and read about him.
And they just saw something in him.
But he was part of it as well as like, again, a list of other people, like in all areas, right?
Okay, so he's in the Chicago suburbs and he's a medical student.
I visualized the nervous system as being embedded in the cell tissue of the body,
just as the roots of a tree are embedded in the ground, which gives it nourishment.
He was very interested in like, you know, altering drugs, psychedelic drugs, mind altering stuff.
And I think like, in the academic setting, he had to, you know, put on a suit and tie and like, not talk about that, basically.
But he also was very involved in intelligence stuff.
And he actually, there was an archive in, I think it wasn't Northwestern.
And, you know, I know you had Annie Jacobson on, like she's in the film.
But in those letters, there were letters from McCullough back to these agencies saying, you know, you should check this guy Puharich out.
I think he was probably like, you know, in his 70s or 80s or something.
But basically that, I think, triggered Puharich, got very interested in the subject.
I was unexpectedly put in contact with Henry A. Wallace, vice president under Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Additional benefactors emerged, including the heirs to two of the wealthiest families in the world, the Astors and the DuPonts.
I was able to get a barn. I started working in the dead of winter in 48th and in Maine.
We lived in a big 50 room house on the seashore, which was a lab and residence and so on.
He's got like a staff, you know, all in the thing with Puharich.
But I think obviously there was an interest in ESP and in what he was doing and in this idea of, okay, what if this is real?
When you drink, alcohol gets converted into a toxic byproduct in the gut.
You know, can somebody pick up on what's written on a letter in the other room?
And then he obviously built a Faraday cage there, and I think, you know, was one of the first people, as far as I understand, doing ESP tests in a Faraday cage, where basically he would put people who claimed to be psychic in the cage.
And then, you know, if you really get into the maybe deeper kind of architectures of his thinking, like in perennial philosophy, he's like clearly this kind of deep esotericist.
In fact, on Buharic's book, The Sacred Mushroom, which is how I got into this whole thing.
I had read that book when I was much younger, and I was really interested in all that stuff.
In this instance, the Amanita muscaria, you know, gives people ESP abilities, and they did extensive research on that there.
But on the cover of that book, you know, Aldous Huxley gives a blurb for Buharic and calls him, you know, the greatest mind in parapsychology.
Again, very interested in what he was doing.
And that maybe what Jesus underwent was some sort of kind of pagan mystery ritual that allowed him to sort of gain the magical powers that he achieved in the book of Acts.
It's the sacred mushroom in the cross or something.
But at the time, it was like, you know, controversial because basically people just didn't believe in what he was writing.
The part of Buharic's story where I think things sort of change in his life is when, you know, this instance happens when they first channel the nine, which was in 52.
Again, these were people who were like benefactors who were interested in what he was doing.
And the story goes, he shows up in Maine, goes to the round table foundation.
And he was on a tour at the time in the United States going to like rotary clubs and dinner parties,
He was a professor at a university in Bombay.
His version of the story is this guy, they just randomly came in, fell into a trance, no context, you know, never mentions it.
You know, there was this huge moment in his life.
But it sounds like fundamentally he's a believer in extrasensory perception, psychic abilities, right?
But, I mean, yeah, there's just no question he was interested in that.
Because, and we'll get into this in a little bit, but there are also possible prosaic explanations
in people and stuff, which is nuts.
In fact, I tape recorded an interview with him.
And in fact, he has one of the only interviews, as far as I know, with Sidney Gottlieb.
But Sidney Gottlieb was known as the kind of U.S. version of Joseph Mengele, a poisoner in chief, an architect of MK Ultra from the technical staff services.
Like remote writing when someone's in a trance.
That would, the nine, meaning Vinod in a trance, speaking as the nine.
And we have this notebook that he wrote everything in.
But if you want a clearer feed of a clearer transmission, you have to put the psychic in a Faraday cage.
They were, they were telling him and constructing him how to like build the Faraday cage in a specific way that would like help this transmission.
Cause of what happens later on in his story.
And so you would, you would need some sort of like bracelet or something that would kind of like constantly be touching your skin in order again, for like the, the transmission to be better.
And the only, you know, evidence I, I have is Buharic's own writing, cause we have all of his journals and he writes this in his journals where he literally says like this psychic would just blur it out.
And he, he, he did many experiments where he allegedly took photos, which of course, you know, weren't in the big stash of photos we had from back then.
There's some, seems like there's some sort of correlation there. The connection Lavenda makes is that all these people conducting the seance, bringing in these nine, maybe extraterrestrial beings, maybe beings that go to the
Yeah. But, but that, that all of the people in this original seance with these blue blooded elites are also entangled with the JFK assassination, which is so crazy.
To make a long story short, there's a seance that's held in, uh, late 52, early 53. I think it was the New Year's Eve of 52 to 53. And there are nine people involved in the seance. Now, these are not just some casual nine people you pick up, like, you know, your neighbors or something, right? This was a DuPont and an Astor and a Forbes. I mean, everybody that represents the, the blue blooded Brahmins of American society, old money people, were at a seance, a free
freaking seance, right? In the woods, in Maine on New Year's Eve with Andrea Paharic. And one of them, uh, is the guy who was the inventor of the bell helicopter. Right. So.
So in that seance with the, you know, these kind of blue blooded elites that prove her itches convening,
Yeah. But I think her daughter is Ruth Payne, who takes in Lee Harvey Oswald.
in Texas, in Dallas, through Ruth Payne.
And in her home, she opens her door to some refugees, you know, people who are recent immigrants
So they're living with Ruth Payne in this house in Texas.
or sorry, the group in the seance believed themselves to be agents of these extraterrestrials,
Legend has it that in 1943, the Navy tried to teleport a ship in what's now known as the Philadelphia Experiment.
Talk about a breakdown in communication.
An all-in-one shared reality.
This, yeah, this woman who I got to know very well, who's in the film, she was Puharic's
And starting in, I think, 63, basically she worked with him, I think until like the mid-80s.
But she met him in New York.
assassinated and that these men in suits, she says, came into the offices, went into Puharic's
But to finish the nine thing, basically, the roundtable ends in 57, I think, right?
you know, certain groups of people to believe in something and to what extent?
And the idea that they were that sophisticated at the very start of MKUltra where they could convince these sort of elite members of society that they were in touch with these specific extraterrestrial beings.
Like a lot of people I talk to who are interested in this stuff and know about the film and so forth.
I just don't, you know, I know what was in the archives.
Like, so yours is the implication of this story that this company had something to do with the assassination of JFK or like, were these men in tweed suits raiding the office, the CIA?
A lot of people know this in relation to Puharich cause he lived there most of his life.
It's, you know, an hour on the train North of the city, you know, mad men, of course, the show, like I didn't even realize all the characters, they all live in Ossining.
Like Don, I guess there's, I remember watching it, but there's some reference, like they live in Ossining.
I cried out to God in crushing despair.
So they have an office in Hell's Kitchen.
And again, with Puharic, I just it's it's I have to stress like there is always these instances in his life.
This one being the really the first, but it was sort of the roundtable to where like all of a sudden he just has this company and this and the and these employees and this fund, you know, all of a sudden it's just, you know, kind of expensive to have a big office in New York City.
And it sounds like in classic intelligence world front sort of stuff.
And basically in this was early sixties now, 62, 63.
And basically they designed a device which would enable deaf people to to to hear basically by emitting a certain frequency that would somehow bypass like the normal way we hear and go directly to the hearing center in the brain.
But that's when he first starts this whole, you know, radio frequency stuff, voices in the head kind of stuff, which again was under this, you know, we're researching on deaf people.
We're doing this, you know, in a medical sense.
But that's when these, you know, men in suits show up.
Again, almost everyone that was involved at the round table was back in this intellectron situation with him.
And so that I think the connection, I mean, I don't want to just jump to conclusions, but I think what I've often thought with this JFK thing and why to Melanie his assistant seemed like such a big deal is that it may have had some tie in with a mind control, sort of like a Sirhan Sirhan situation with Lee Harvey Oz.
And I think people don't realize a lot of that MKUltra stuff happened much earlier, but they were doing this work in 62, 63 of like send, basically sending messages to, to people's heads, you know, and, and we have footage.
The people from the Atomic Energy Commission write very clearly in letters we found, like we went, Annie Jacobson talks about it, I think in her book, like one of the guys is like, I don't believe you, you know, test me and just, and, and, and did the test on himself and it worked.
architect of MK ultra, you know, and, and Jolly West was, you know, UCLA psychiatry, but clearly very involved in operation midnight climax and maybe brainwashed Charles Manson.
And he sees Jack Ruby who never remembers killing Lee Harvey Oswald in his jail cell alone.
Delgado, an old friend of ours, brilliant researcher from Spain, implanted radio receivers in the heads of bulls.
Uh, he was involved with a lot of this sort of mind stuff in the sixties, late fifties sixties.
But I think he's mostly known as somebody who, uh, did experiments with implanting, putting an implant in the head of a bull and basically being able to remote control a bull and basically say, go this stop, go left, go right.
And if, if, if, if in the early sixties, we had chips that could control animals and you had heirs to MK ultra, like MK often.
Which were done. I believe at the science and engineering Institute, um, in the Northeast as well.
So, yeah, if you think, okay, they're putting an implant in the head of a bull, like you say, basically remote controlling the thing.
And it was just, it just so happened to be when he had this company in Electron.
And the other thing too, not to cut you off is I I've, with all this stuff in this film, I've gone to like the ends of the earth to try to track down.
This place never existed in Electron.
He was, uh, involved, uh, in NASA in the sixties, early seventies colleague of Buharach's, but he was like, I guess.
Like he was somehow involved in Intellectron as like an outside consultant or something.
And in his archives at, uh, Berkeley, there was like a couple documents that had, you know, in Electron letterhead and it was like correspondence.
And even in that it was nothing revealing.
Well, it's, I mean, now I feel like it's one of these things that's slowly shifting, you know, and I think more and more people are going to start to recognize the fact that MK ultra had a role, not only in the JFK assassination, but in the RFK assassination, you mentioned Sirhan Sirhan.
Who had written in his diary right before he shot RFK.
Yeah. Yeah. He mentions, uh, Buharich in that.
Got me interested in superpower.
We can go, we can get to that later, but the whole in electron thing, basically to cap that off, it was, yeah.
You can see, you know, she's in the other room.
She's behind a wall there in the other room.
He has his device that he invented in the early sixties called the TD 100, which I've told you about.
And this kind of ties into what he was doing later in the seventies, but they're doing an experiment on a woman using this.
And we had somebody out in the hall broadcasting.
But in other instances, it was very specific about it being like a real like cat.
It would pick it up here and it would send it through the nerves of the face that would basically connect to whatever area in your brain you register, you know, sounds.
And so you could be again in, you could clearly see them doing this.
Can this be in another town?
Can it be in another state?
Could it be in another country?
But so the first part of it was the tooth where you could send the message to the tooth implant, hear it in the head.
But it was this idea that again, you would bypass the tooth and the, and the, and the frequency would essentially just be sent directly to the head and be picked up in that same area that the tooth was essentially connecting to.
Where he would bite onto a conductive rod while he was playing piano that would bypass his ear canal and the vibrations would literally play in his brain.
It's in the telepathy tapes.
And she had gotten a tooth filling or whatever, and she's driving and she starts to hear the radio in her head because she still has some metal in her teeth.
And we're worried because they want to put him in a mental hospital and we don't want that to happen.
So they, they bring him in, they get to know him and he says, okay, I work at this metal factory where I guess it basically is a grinding metal pieces and this kind of thing.
Annie Jacobson talks about it too in her book.
Puharich's theory was that this metal dust had somehow collected on his teeth and in essence acted like a radio antenna.
We found out he was tuned to station WOR in New York.
And they put the mental patient in their Faraday cage, which blocks out all electronic signals.
That's pretty remarkable of Puharich to think that all through and to test it in the laboratory.
Yeah. And if you can bypass the ear canal with vibration, whatever is processing the audio ultimately in the brain, we know that you can turn molecular mass into frequency.
Yeah. Could you then use some sort of electromagnetic, you know, radio wave or some wave that connects directly to the brain and that kind of gets in a freaky territory because you end up in sort of psychic warfare, you know, that's ubiquitous or whatever in widespread.
Yeah. Puharich. If Puharich is doing this stuff in the sixties, then it kind of makes me believe the Sherman stuff a whole lot more, which was happening.
In the early nineties around messages he's downloading, but it, maybe it does beget the question, you know, is the Sherman stuff genuinely, you know, extraterrestrial or were people beaming messages that were extraterrestrial to test the veracity of the messaging or whatever through him. And I don't know, you know, I don't know the answer to that question. I don't think he was lying. And I think the program is real.
The Genesis of it was in 1947. We came in contact with an alien species and in 1960, they started a, a project. It was called project preserve destiny. And, um, it was designed to genetically manage fetuses, human fetuses, so that they would have the heightened ability to do this particular thing that I was going to school for.
Yeah. When I saw the, the, the, uh, sine wave move, it, it is like, it came into focus. This thing that, that I was doing in my head.
You're right. I mean, I think like if that was happening in 60, 61, 62, I mean, I don't know. And this gets transitions into the Uri Geller stuff, which I believe is very much involved in that same sort of research.
Well, I think, um, it's my belief that, uh, Geller was, was sort of like a, um, uh, mind control guinea pig in a way.
Mm. Uh, there's a lot of context that would, that would prove that that was what his sort of role was in this whole.
Explain that story. That's fascinating. Well, he, um, so basically Puharich, uh, in the six years, we had Intellectron.
But it just goes like, again, he never talks about it. No, no one in his family. Oh yeah. I wonder whatever happened to that. Like you would think that with such an amazing discovery, like something would have come of it.
Or it was just like, went, went dark, basically probably around 68. Um, he never talks about it again, only way later in his life. He never, ever talks about it.
Of course we learned he was using it with the space kids years later that nobody knew about that, but, um, so he's the, he's coming off the tail end of all the in Electron stuff. Right. Right. When he meets Geller, like literally it was 1970 is when he first hears about Geller goes to Israel.
And Intellectron is still happening then. I mean, from what I understand, like it was still very much, you know, an operating company. So he's going to Israel to meet Uri Geller while he's still very much involved in the research of essentially sending messages to people.
I'm in, I'm interested in psychic phenomena.
But he, uh, he, uh, has this whole episode in Israel before he even brings him back to the United States, where he basically hypnotizes Geller and, you know, the nine come through.
But it's very strange because Buharic, as I just said, was still very much involved in the Intellectron company, which, as we know, was experimenting with being able to send voices, send thoughts, uh, to people.
And so one could assume that Uri Geller was a, you know, experiment in that way when the nine just so happened to reappear all those years later.
In fact, he says, he, he says it.
He says, it's a joke, but he kind of says in a jokey way.
documents which was basically monitoring all of his movements in israel literally page after page
uh he just got here he's leaving he picked this bag up he did you know in the exact years he's um
who never really said anything until much later in their lives um told me that he he was mossad
mentions in a uh letter he was writing to uh there's a good friend of his this woman who
he wrote that and then in this tape um he he kind of jokingly says oh i'm a i'm a i'm a double agent
in the 70s with the space kids he's he's referring by name to israeli generals this one guy uh aharon
think when when he goes to israel initially to see geller in 1971 and he geller's kind of channeling
this idea of nine extraterrestrial beings or what do you think that is is he is he calling in something
that exists in reality these nine you know entities or is he creating those entities synthetically
stories right so when he went to israel for the first time in some lecture uh we have he said oh you
that he was cia that's why you went but in this lecture in fact twice in two separate lectures
know bought me a ticket this foundation so you know again a little thought in my mind where i'm like
countdown from a certain number um once you get there you know you're in a state where they can
and that always goes back to the crux of who harich of like okay what what was he yes he believed in
this stuff but yes he was also involved in yeah very by his own own admits you know involved in
these other beings that come in and certain cases he's not asking leading questions yeah but it's uh
much later like late 70s 80s he was very involved in that but i figured out like once again like this
pandora which started in i think the the 60s which you know going back to intellectron that was right around the time this
know how someone in you know the real world will react and i think geller you know was was part of
instance where geller allegedly uh teleported so he was walking down the street in new york city
1973 i think he claims he's walking down the street in new york city gets a weird feeling right all of a
sudden he wakes up and he's in austin new york which is you know however 50 miles or whatever
allegedly winds up in austin and he teleported and from new york city and puharic claims or told
get a load of film you know put it in the put it in the camera film get the get the film transferred
happened and geller believed it i mean he he talks about it he wrote about it i think later in his life
he he started to question everything and he even came out with a statement on a radio show in like 2019
buharic himself way later in his life like i said when he starts to kind of reveal things he says
himself i was involved in a program and my boss was the guy who did all research with hypnosis and mind
somebody close to buharic in the 60s specifically really yeah his assistant the same one i told you
telepathic connection with the material verna von braun takes me into his personal office there is a safe in
and this goes back to the the controllers um book a lot of the stories and again keep in mind this is
all pre coming to the u.s going to sri everyone knows that stuff this is in in tel aviv before any of
that and he another story like this teleportation one they're in um the sinai desert they're driving
around in uh in a jeep and they're they see a a ufo and geller all of a sudden i mean puhart's book on
geller is fun to read you know in and of itself is because it's like it's just like a cool crazy sci-fi
oh he's in a trance before this happens you know apparently and then it's that same idea of like
wanted to experiment with can you get someone to believe in or just kind of framing it around this
named mario woods um who is uh at ellsworth air force base in 1977 in south dakota and he was a missile
sort of like b2 bomber was like kind of winking at him in the distance he and his um uh you know um
teammate or whatever his colleague michael johnson go in this little jeep and they follow it uh they
him now said that there was some sort of ambient radiation in his mouth or something from that time
about um there's a story about a an individual who changed his name in fact because he didn't want to be
kind of split up get geller wants to to move on and again way later in this 2019 interview he he kind
through the nine but before phyllis there was this guy in florida where phyllis was from she knew this guy
met in the army so this guy discovers a a um a filling he never had he completely freaks out and and
had like a mental breakdown there's a couple other people in the the sphere of this story that this
couple stories in buharic's life that you know do seem like legitimate sort of extraordinary
encounters for instance um in the late 80s uh buharic lived in north carolina and he uh there's a story
wasn't out because it was much later in the night and again pre-iphone of course you know you got to
run in and grab this bulky vhs camcorder but apparently like him that bulharic's son and two or
his son again very emotionally says like that was the moment i said okay like i i believe in in this
stuff and and i believe in and in things my dad did and he just had a very emotional reaction uh to
flags in his story that sure point to his involvement but then there's that story where
over washington invasion like maybe the most intense uh ufo showing in united states history as far as mass media
in any sort of you know selection bias here but july 1952 was when it was the thing showed up and so
it could have been and i told you like he he wrote in his journals about these orbs and the one of the
which was borderland well which one the borderlands research yeah yeah hearts was very involved in
that in fact a lot of the recordings we have not a lot but some of them came from from them they
tells a story uh in a lecture much later in his life about how he was always approached by
movie together and there's some free masonic symbolism there there's launch pad 33 in real
armstrong looking like you know he's in a hostage video joe rogan describes it like that you know um
architects yeah in touch with the head of the american space bar it's weird well the other
thing too with the the nasa connection with puharj is again in the 60s um he was doing like a ton of
like contract work for all sorts of um different agencies but so this is actually in newspaper
know if if they went to to to send stuff there and he says yeah you know somewhere in the nasa
yeah i've heard a lot about that that they're in the late 60s there's some somewhere in florida
the guy who spent longer in the earth's orbit you know in space than anyone prior to him he went in the
late 50s and yeah he went to austin like many times and in his book he writes about um going there
mean why was a nasa astronaut interested in psychic research um i don't know i mean well i think coop
flying the same kind of formation we fly in our fighters were they planes i mean what well it turns
were so and to really positively identify them but they were metallic looking and saucer in shape so he
was definitely like interested in this stuff and and um yeah so he went up there everyone went up
that's like something i read about and you know i thought oh that's interesting but in puhart's archive
sure enough is the tape that no one's ever heard of this session that is kind of like crazy to to to be in
back then these prominent people at the time we're now in mid-70s would come there spend time there and
recording that like you know he says like like i've said many times in the past which would indicate that
these sessions and um that you know of course nine and then there's a character in deep space nine who's
know all the specifics but it just like it you know as as stuff in the in the movie industry does it fell
that's mentioned in a couple of real world contexts too one of which being um you have high meshed who
would you know has won multiple the highest you know national security awards in israel is basically
federation yeah and so do you think there's something like more real going on that in in
you know instrumental in hooking up uh puhart with geller i don't know the truth to that but um
in an apartment in tel aviv together but you know bentoff is interesting because he worked for israeli
burned in 1978 um to this day no one really knows who did it but it was a proven you know arson job by
mean and bentoff died in a plane crash yeah that's right yeah sort of super mysteriously he was uh
you know their their uh shared interest and in consciousness and stuff but you know then there's
film and the story in general is like you still question there's still research to be done into this
you know and in this case it's clearly this kind of murky subject but that i mean that makes it that
willingly in these kinds of experiments you know but he he um yeah he really opened up i mean anyone can hear
um well he was doing that in the 70s he was like like again these this this idea that you could use
uh apparently the story goes that these kids all over the world um specifically in the united states
and the uk and in and in china which are just the the stories that we were able to kind of look into
whatever but you know it's like parents calling in uh the tv station you know pooharach claims like
their psychic abilities just kind of like came out in that moment it's like a contagion of yeah the
in you know all over the the country in canada and places and and people and and we say kids we're
six year old kids but the ones that we're dealing with in the film are all you know in their early 20s
at this time and this is um we're talking 74 when this started 73 74 and keep in mind this is right
around the time the sri remote viewing stuff starts yeah and keep in mind how put off tells us that he went
to puharic's house in ossining heard all about the nine and that puharic was apparently communicating
this no i mean in the film he does i gotta ask him but um he basically just tells a story about
geller and that was it he disappeared not true there's a uh a pay stub in puharic's archives that
a lot of the tapes are remote viewing there's no other way to look at it it's okay what's going on in this location
somehow like this we're going to connect with the nine thing was like a way that these it was an in
where you can communicate with these you know these beings and you know i can put you in it's safe and
i can put you in this this hypnotic state and you'll communicate with them like obviously
like this sandbox for us to to play in or something and again it was off it wasn't in the interview
research that he passionately believes in and he's trying to come to some sort of you know reality of
again in some of these um sessions and and this is strange is is that on some of the sessions you
know he'll be like okay here we are with this space kid and in there and their mom is here
okay see you set in on a session so now you know what it's like and then when those people aren't
about him and his story is like i think he believed i know he believed in in a lot of paranormal stuff
really good it's um it came out in the 90s and it was the first book that really talked about a lot
like this this book had the story that i told you about of the guy in florida who woke up with the
you know it's not true and i think that i hope to get that across in the film and i think we do because
like a big part of that that research i don't think he wanted to do i think he he in a way was forced to
is always proverbially discussed but you know usually in a very kind of high level fuzzy ways
in certain cases they probably came upon really exciting scientific truths that were converging on
things that you know some you know behind the the the iron curtain science you know uh group in the
these people and then they would probably be forced to you know work on things in contexts that they
and i think you know you illustrated it well but you know they were even like wow there's so much in
heard before yeah so that just goes to show his own family was in the dark about a lot of it but you
that in and of itself seems a little messed up as does yeah you know slipping somebody mushrooms or
interesting is that um and you see in the film like getting back to this idea of the nine being this
kind of end point just to like get things get things done uh in the 70s we're talking 74 through 76
and so forth but um in that time they're getting messages from the nine saying you know you need to go to
that period in fact one of the guys working with buharic at that time john whitmore he was a british guy
who got really involved like he even says in an interview like you you normally could not even get into
really the nine or once again was puharic involved in something else that he had to be in these areas
telling them to go there phyllis schlemer completely questions everything and you know way later in her
doing whatever he needs to do there yeah it's using the stigma of the science kind of in your favor as
the great pyramid in the in the same time and do like all sorts of experiments there really and he
meditating in the king's chamber what in 76 and he did experiments with um uh one of the space kids
in the pyramid and they brought through this information apparently they're channeling this
go in the pyramid and and do do some cool stuff i'm interested in that's just kind of what it seems because
like again there's no mind manipulation dark stuff going on there it's it's it's very clearly him like i'm going to meditate in the king's chamber
like well what does that have to do with you know mk ultra so i just think like and again this goes to like his death in the mystery book
and that but i think he's going okay well i'm already in egypt and there's the great pyramid and i've
been wanting to go in there anyways so i'm already here i'm gonna go you know but he's there
it did you figure out yeah yeah i know it trust me it's just in my crazy head pooharich head but but
i can produce in your mind the image of of um an alien experience um his assistant what at the time
mm-hmm when puhart was in the hospital there's a part of the tape where dick russell goes outside i
like he was involved basically making the point he was involved in that kind of stuff that kind of
and this kind of thing so he and he was a nice guy again so he would want he would let people in and
know basically out to get him and that they installed this elf uh emitter in his television set
writes in this legal pad like you know i am this is happening to me i can tell he would test himself
what he says in this but he basically is this legal pad and he really it's all these events kind of
know weapons and so forth again a lot of that was going on in the late 70s
because they came to his house he's kind of recounting this in his notes and um the guy that he said came
on behalf of the cia to talk to him as a guy we know was involved in cia who's that this guy named bob
beck who's in the who's in the film um and he was another puharach type where where he got roped into a lot
95 and he was found dead coincidentally you know the stargate program ends in 95. i was gonna i literally
made that connection in my mind yeah and coincidentally um this guy grinberg jacobo grinberg yes
um in 95 uh less than a month after puharach dies he this guy disappears grinberg when if you see the
film um the story basically is he was involved in very similar research basically was able to prove
that's still a missing person did you ever meet puharach yeah they met when puharach was in exile in
mexico after his house was burned uh they were they met in mexico in in less than a month after puhar
we live in a matrix and then he left the matrix or something like but what's interesting about him
he was he was taken in by the government and he's still alive and someone i know and the weirdest thing
that he was actually taken and well that's one of the theories that basically everyone involved in
was 95 january 95 was puharach's death february 95 grimberg goes missing stargate officially ends in
it was all bunk um so and keep in mind buharach at that time was lecturing about all of that and being
them seeing him as a liability late in life you know maybe he feels remorse about some of the things
the research in the in the black um what are some of the wilder testimonies of the space kids that you
weren't looking to be in the spotlight in fact they didn't want to be it took about two years
but that's what took so long and i always thought like in order to make a really cool
film like you got to get these space kids it's like stranger things in real life you know like
was able to track them down just basically through like in puhart's archives and things
there and again on the tapes like he would say a name or he would write their name well actually in
fact in one of his journals he like wrote all the names of the kids at the time so it's pretty easy
kind of cultish i mean if you want to look at it that way in the sense that like
like a hub of just any all these people interested in this stuff would just go there and like hang out
model of time travel and warp drive physics yeah and he he lives in the bay area and he's very
outspoken loves to call people a schmuck he's written about um in the hippies saved physics uh by
amazing yeah he went to his house because he also i believe sarfati the way he got involved in this
exotic physics that he ended up studying was he claims that as a teenager he was in some gifted
building ufos yeah and in this is a guy who could keep up with you know any top theoretical physicist
in the world like he's he's a real physicist he studied under hans bett uh you know at cornell and
well you know it's a crazy connection i just thought of um in that story the so the sarfati story
where his i think it was his dad or his uncle or something was was involved in the army or army
buharic in the 50s um at the round table doing everything they were doing there whoa yeah so do
being a possibility as far as he is yeah but i just remember him bringing up that name and in in
everybody about this well in one of his journals it was just uh him recounting like he would often go to
channeling the nine you know in your lab you're going to dc to meet with all these people but
and that's the same guy sarfati references but in these journals he mentions um meeting townsend brown
in his in his teenage years um or was like you know if you think about like what would be one of
shit like who knows and townsend brown to me obviously i'm very high conviction in his stuff
of american kind of you know in the black dark science like whole tech trees that come from
between the types of people who'd be engaging in like bizarre seances esp paranormal stuff that wasn't
they were probably interested in similar yeah similar things and and but it's odd because he said it was in dc
townsend brown engaging in a ufo crash retrieval and um i think it's in the late 50s and it's like i think
brown walks in to harvard flashes his credentials and takes the material and like that you hear stories
in 45 to interrogate some scientists because he was an expert in all this stuff and it's this
brown says curtis lemay chases townsend brown down the stairs because he's so interested in his
you said uh you know this idea of like flashing credentials and walking in play i mean there's again
meant to be seen you know these were like buried in his in his records in fact like in the film you'll
before he passed away like he had made mention like these papers i have in my house need someone
literally again in the journal met he's like you know says something like uh you know wait it was in
the waiting room for an hour and finally got in and we had we talked and so obviously you're up to
great guy and again he was somebody who would never have wanted to appear in a documentary you know like
buharic's assistant this woman who's in the film um they were doing an experiment they were meditating
uh together and she they were sitting in a room together both meditating and he says that at one point
later in his life is he he says and again this is not me or a speculation or making something up like
he says in his own words he invented this uh prosthetic finger that would have a a chip with a
be in in order to do channeling and so he could basically just like i could go like this to you and
would be in the like his protocol like he'd be saying that or like they'd be like automatically
of the nine at face value how would you characterize these nine beings in what they want for humanity
hastings great work in his book it's really good and i made kind of a you know another little thing
with robert hastings on my channel but you have this guy bud clem as early as 1945 in hanford where
he's talking about these fireballs in the sky and they did this project twinkle which was deleted from
you're entering what i've been in for like years of this constant like wait a second now i think this
related research going on with some of this mind control stuff peppered in just to throw off the
riser he was a um philosophy professor at university of pittsburgh in the 60s and 70s um
idea like his whole world view is this idea that like everything is wrong everything in the world
and again this goes back for the hundredth time of like buharaj's real interest in this stuff but riser
tones and sound with space kids and can you while they're in a trance there's a lot of experiments
you're in this hypnotic state and can you follow that tone where is it bringing you and what do you hear
this guy riser was brilliant i mean in his obituary albert einstein said he was like you know a genius
you know he he was genuinely interested in in in paranormal you know research and in ufo i mean
now i'm back in the in the more cynical camp where it's well they said at one point he said um that you
what i'm talking about with these more sinister connections that they they did not know in fact
involved in this project is like information i was getting information like as recent as like six months
were talking in the nine we're committing with the nine we were it was a good time we were young we were
she's the most elusive person in this whole ufo history where i mean so basically what i do know is
that she was um she was working in the uh white house during the uh nixon administration and it
benefits type program it was something like this but that's how she was you know involved in government
was she was part of a program like that but apparently she became very interested in the ufo
lab lab lab nine and in 78 and she is very there's nothing there about her there's nothing out there
can't apparently she's still alive but she basically um i believe was extremely deep in the whole ufo thing
up uh i can't remember his exact role he was like maybe head of the army in this in the 60s some high
up role in the army but anyways he was very very connected his pictures of him with like every you
know president during the 60s 70s like there was a tape of him saying like i met valerie ranson in the
white house um she believed she was in touch with extraterrestrials and he kind of makes a joke like
what do i know maybe she was but that kind of firmly places her in that circle because there's a lot of
companies that were happening in the late 70s like there's this this company called magnetic energies
says yeah i met her she was in the white house a lot um she knew a lot of people but yeah she basically
that she in effect had to pass on to like important scientists she predicted the failure of one of these
rocket launches in the late 70s that actually did occur which i don't i don't know you have to look
really involved in a lot of tesla technology research a lot of elf research and a lot of people
around yeah yeah and then and then but and she was somehow like do you know what role she had in the
i don't remember but it was some program that she like ran in dc and as part of the nixon administration
which again was not like involved in an intelligence thing but that was her like in with
one i know who wrote about it but he claims that he he spoke with her back in that late 70s time and she
which is a whole other thing but she's really involved in that and that's how i got into her
like any crazy enigma in this world that someone needs to like get to the bottom of it's it's her
of like start getting interested in in advanced technology tesla technology elf stuff but all the
involved in anything that mentions buhar is just too controversial and then he told me that he knew
that stuff i don't really know like what his he's he's deeply involved in like i think the whatever cia
gary nolan in the like mid 2010s i think that was i think given by kit green and kit green analyzed them
alongside gary nolan but he's like a long time guy who kind of pops up in ufo lore kind of akin to
in the same light as like you know she always happened to be there whenever something was going
with with somebody for information and a lot of reasons that these men in particular don't want to
have in the puharach archives of her at lab nine um and you know yeah she was very good looking so that
was again with the same idea of being an attractive woman was able to lure in uh individuals to help
and i'm like oh my this is crazy right so in the interview it's really bizarre she tells us really
forbidden science books jock valet stuff and you know she says i was going to school in northern
illinois in this interview uh she says she moved to houston we know jock met her in houston uh the
says in the video checks out to what we definitely know nope not her not one person and even this do
back she's so she's the biggest enigma in this whole world every single one of them nope oh man what
you know anyone who thinks that's her is an idiot and but everything she says checks out and in the
video she tells this crazy story about how she had a ufo experience when she was a kid in college
happened to her in her life many times and then some guy you got to see the video she says this guy
had this ufo experience at this time in this location so she's shocked right so then she says
cassette puts it in the car and the tape cassette starts and it's a voice a metallic voice
so that's a rabbit hole in and of itself but but basically yeah she spent like a good amount of time at lab
trying to get in contact with her i weirdly this is a crazy story i got like this this guy got in
this where like someone is like hey i heard you got you have buchars archives i'm really interested in
talk to her because i'm actually in contact with her and i'm like yeah sure and and so he forwards
incredible yeah i mean there's a lot to get in with into with her but that's that's the gist of
it and just the fact alone that kit green was involved with her back in the late 70s is really
strange so strange yeah and early 80s yeah this is crazy it's so it's like there's a woman in the
like in the late 70s there really was like so much um unknown about this potential like radio
agitate people and etc so that was kind of like the wild west and that in the late 70s there of like
i think people trying to figure out what this is what can be done with it and he was just like in in the
this stuff what's possible with it um so and valerie was again interested in that and was involved in in
people you know like you and and others who are like really seriously interested in looking into this
some interest in in um some streaming stuff so and any anything big that uh i didn't touch on that i
naval intelligence at one point uh was like a big funder of buharic not not only back in the 50s but
knew the most about this stuff yeah he he buharic was in with them very early on and he continued in
in government and academics and just say like look what she can do she can channel all this advanced
know the montauk experiments and i think it's pretty well established that there were some experiments in
card or you know things like that does this add to your conviction that this was happening in sort of a
in the entire country yeah and part of me is thinks it's a beautiful amazing thing and obviously in
index of aliens psi and psychedelics um and you were to you were to you know in like say it's like
a you know synthetic derivatives like an etf or something if you were to invest in this in the
late 60s early 70s you'd like lose a lot of money into today but now if you were to invest in these
interesting because of all this you know this resurgence of interest in it but um i know what you
his name but now now he's very vocal online about his involvement in that and what he did and he
don't know what's i don't know what to believe yeah you know with that so it's just i don't know i'm in
the same i'm in the same boat as you i don't know what what the motives may be but i think that
buharic was certainly extremely important in this whole world and the fact that there's never really
are uncorrelated from other you know i love the the stories you know i love i saw a thing and i was in
the bed i wasn't you know they put a chip in me like that's it's fascinating but you it's always hard to
show directly and while you're there the cowboy ufot is a fan favorite we always keep in stock