Um, so very, very strange, you know, possible connections.
Well, the other really strange thing at this time, um, was that Pujaric was working with someone named Jose Delgado, who he probably might know who that is.
Which were done. I believe at the science and engineering Institute, um, in the Northeast as well.
I don't have a document that says here's the experiment we did, but, um, that whole decade of the sixties was such a, a, a, a odd decade for Buharachi was so like quiet.
Um, and you have RFK junior now is head of the FDA.
William Jennings Bryan, um, was this kind of mysterious, deep statey figure who I believe was tight with Sirhan Sirhan.
And, um, so I, you know, I, I think these things are going to start to come out that, uh, MK ultra was far more pervasive than, than we ever realized.
There's a story of, there's a kind of apocryphal, but I think substantiated story, um, around Lucille Ball who had just.
That was his first, um, aha moment is that they got a mental patient, a guy who claimed he was hearing voices, but his family's convinced he's, he's, you know, sane.
The Genesis of it was in 1947. We came in contact with an alien species and in 1960, they started a, a project. It was called project preserve destiny. And, um, it was designed to genetically manage fetuses, human fetuses, so that they would have the heightened ability to do this particular thing that I was going to school for.
Yeah. Do you think that it was kind of a development from, um, you know, what you were looking into with Puhar?
That's why I, that's why I reached out because again, like for me, a lot of this was, okay, I have all this information. I'm not a, you know, I'm not a, a physicist. I'm not a, most of this stuff, but I'd have to imagine it's connected because it, um, Puharic, the way this machine worked as well, had something to do with specific sine waves. Very, very specific.
Yeah. It's all tone. It's all tones. And then the thing with the machine is again, um, and like you said, sounding crazy, like for a long time making this film, you know, like I had to,
Um, but. How so?
Well, I think, um, it's my belief that, uh, Geller was, was sort of like a, um, uh, mind control guinea pig in a way.
Explain that story. That's fascinating. Well, he, um, so basically Puharich, uh, in the six years, we had Intellectron.
But, um, again, this was supposed to be this breakthrough, you know, medical device where, where people who are deaf can, can hear, you know, the, the, think about what we could do with this.
Or it was just like, went, went dark, basically probably around 68. Um, he never talks about it again, only way later in his life. He never, ever talks about it.
Of course we learned he was using it with the space kids years later that nobody knew about that, but, um, so he's the, he's coming off the tail end of all the in Electron stuff. Right. Right. When he meets Geller, like literally it was 1970 is when he first hears about Geller goes to Israel.
Um, all I can say about that is.
And he did do it, but, um, he, so Buharic, you know, again, the story goes, Buharic was kind of smitten with, with Geller and oh my God, this guy's, you know, an amazing psychic.
um well he so we did tons of like foia uh requests trying to trying to find stuff on him
uh he just got here he's leaving he picked this bag up he did you know in the exact years he's um
he's going there to see geller so that that there's that and then um multiple people who knew him
who never really said anything until much later in their lives um told me that he he was mossad
again i there's i don't have a document or something that that that proves this um and then puhart also
her very differently than other people but he um basically admitted to being part of a israeli
u.s um mind can you know mind control program that was happening at aberdeen proving grounds
he wrote that and then in this tape um he he kind of jokingly says oh i'm a i'm a i'm a double agent
geller kind of parted ways he's always going there um on a lot of the channeling tapes that are happening
um high up there so a lot of red flags nothing again no concrete you know document or something
first of all just to quickly mention like this this idea that buharach is very um there's always two
okay who's who's telling the truth you know yeah i think it's obvious but um right with the nine i mean
countdown from a certain number um once you get there you know you're in a state where they can
aliens reverse engineer like so many things um but then you you get into like the facts and the
it's it's fascinating he also he isolates specific um extra low frequency waves yeah that he thinks are
something like this because there's a lot of experiments they did where um there's a story for
that contained some ufo artifacts maybe from roswell yeah well warner von braun again was um
something to the effect of yeah he showed him um some photographs of um of yeah something from roswell
and this goes back to the the controllers um book a lot of the stories and again keep in mind this is
that and he another story like this teleportation one they're in um the sinai desert they're driving
named mario woods um who is uh at ellsworth air force base in 1977 in south dakota and he was a missile
sort of like b2 bomber was like kind of winking at him in the distance he and his um uh you know um
of a walmart is the the line he always says it's sort of this crazy iconic line you know and um and uh
he ends up nine being transported nine miles um away from the base uh like behind a dam and it's
it's really sort of crazy um yeah that is the tooth thing is really strange and there's a lot online
about um there's a story about a an individual who changed his name in fact because he didn't want to be
associated with this but this was um so so post geller right so so geller uh lee basically they they
he was part of a um a psychic class that she she taught and again i've heard from a lot of people
they they looked they said yeah this was done um you know professionally there's no question about it
met in the army so this guy discovers a a um a filling he never had he completely freaks out and and
bizarre you know um but that goes back to the i mean what you just told me is crazy because this was
encounters for instance um in the late 80s uh buharic lived in north carolina and he uh there's a story
oh yes or no but that night um multiple people saw this huge ufo and andy tells the story and he
are i think also involves some sort of hubris like you know you can you can have both but um it's
about puharj's son and this ufo showing up um what was night because i think of 1952 as the you know dc fly
pretty amazing and he remembers it and stuff he's one of the probably last living witnesses wow um amazing
know the original channeling of the nine it was 52. do you know what month uh it was it was um
right you know who knows but you know puhart was a master mason he was yeah interesting and um he
armstrong looking like you know he's in a hostage video joe rogan describes it like that you know um
thing too with the the nasa connection with puharj is again in the 60s um he was doing like a ton of
like contract work for all sorts of um different agencies but so this is actually in newspaper
a camp around with space children or whatever psychics yeah i've heard a lot about that um but
late 50s and yeah he went to austin like many times and in his book he writes about um going there
seeing experiments with the faraday cage seeing the space kids um yeah why was he so interested i
mean why was a nasa astronaut interested in psychic research um i don't know i mean well i think coop
was definitely like interested in this stuff and and um yeah so he went up there everyone went up
tape where it was um roddenberry puharic and phyllis schlemer was the channel the channeler and you
know she he he does his thing he hypnotically regresses her um she goes into uh trance he starts
these sessions and um that you know of course nine and then there's a character in deep space nine who's
and they actually wrote uh i have it and um i don't know what will ever come of it it's a it's a long
that's mentioned in a couple of real world contexts too one of which being um you have high meshed who
mention anything about the nine too or who ashed no i thought maybe okay not specifically okay but um
the other weird connection to um israel puhart and everything was uh he was close with uh itzak bentoff
oh yeah who's you know a really interesting guy um there's some videos on youtube with him he's kind
you know instrumental in hooking up uh puhart with geller i don't know the truth to that but um
um well they definitely knew each other because there's photographs of geller puhart and bentoff
bentoff was one of a number of um scientists who were being tracked at you know puhart's house burned
burned in 1978 um to this day no one really knows who did it but it was a proven you know arson job by
all claiming to be to be monitored be followed harassed and so forth um and there was some story
connecting a possible israeli connection to this 1978 fire um but yeah that's a big big question mark i
makes it so fascinating right it makes you just want to go go deeper and uh yeah um i think that the
willingly in these kinds of experiments you know but he he um yeah he really opened up i mean anyone can hear
very open about you know i was i was scared um and he always uses the term like buharj made me believe
helped me he helped me get to the to america um so it's not like he's he hates him or he speak but he
um well he was doing that in the 70s he was like like again these this this idea that you could use
and then he talks a lot about doing that back then um i have a friend who worked at the princeton
um through all these people i've talked to and stuff who were like yeah he he had something you know
are uh well there's a lot of them and we only were able to track down and interview um one two three
uh apparently the story goes that these kids all over the world um specifically in the united states
but these kids would see um geller on tv and all of a sudden like that would uh cause them to just
were doing this and um eventually i guess is so uh eventually he's so convinced that that this is real
and that these kids actually have this sort of like sudden emergence of ability that he um brings them
so forth but um basically he collected them and um just started this camp where they did you know kind
at this time and this is um we're talking 74 when this started 73 74 and keep in mind this is right
this no i mean in the film he does i gotta ask him but um he basically just tells a story about
um so i don't know i wasn't there at the interview someone else did it i mean he it was great he did
whose name i i don't i won't mention um she she basically admitted that where she said something to
again in some of these um sessions and and this is strange is is that on some of the sessions you
you know typical okay the nine um the you know the world is beautiful we need to save humanity etc etc
i'm hearing it's all based off that it's not like really my personal um you know hardcore beliefs it's
really good it's um it came out in the 90s and it was the first book that really talked about a lot
with him because i again like i don't want to um come come across as someone who's trying to like
records would indicate that it was it was a made up a made up thing fascinating um well that i mean
walked into a position like that and there's just no question the level of um you know how how deeply
interesting is that um and you see in the film like getting back to this idea of the nine being this
and so forth but um in that time they're getting messages from the nine saying you know you need to go to
and um and so a lot of people speculate you know i've heard stories of you know christian missionaries
the the constant contrast is like he really was a genuine believer because he would often go um to
meditating in the king's chamber what in 76 and he did experiments with um uh one of the space kids
that going on and um his death is completely mysterious what what happened you can see the
bottom of the stairs we don't really know um what killed him
well so there's a couple of things he he was sick at the time um but not i believe not enough that
where he said you know look i'll admit it um i worked for this part of the cia my boss was the guy
i'll remember it but um basically and so he says yeah that's what i did i was i was uh i was a
i can produce in your mind the image of of um an alien experience um his assistant what at the time
told me about things he's done that he he he's worried for his life about saying she says he um
is what we were talking about with this this controllers um idea is that yeah like kind of i guess more
research um and again you know you're gonna ask like why why you know like why was it always like
the ufo thing but um but all that was going on like right before he died you know that tape was recorded
less than a year before he died but um he he was found uh at the bottom of the stairs he fell
and he he passed away and at the time he had all these um he was still and again this goes back to
leading up to why he believes they're they're out to get him basically right but um yeah coincidentally
the day he's found you know there's no one at the house and um right not right before that but a few
years before before um his death he had been uh approached by the cia to head up a elf research
probably happened but there was apparently a department being set up just to study elf um you
because they came to his house he's kind of recounting this in his notes and um the guy that he said came
beck who's in the who's in the film um and he was another puharach type where where he got roped into a lot
of things i think he he wasn't necessarily wanting to to do but um so that happened where he refused
made that connection in my mind yeah and coincidentally um this guy grinberg jacobo grinberg yes
who uh there's a great film shout out to um ida my friend he made this great film about him
um in 95 uh less than a month after puharach dies he this guy disappears grinberg when if you see the
film um the story basically is he was involved in very similar research basically was able to prove
could possibly do and i couldn't i couldn't find it um so that was weird that's super yeah so it just
it was all bunk um so and keep in mind buharach at that time was lecturing about all of that and being
honest being open about all the experiments he did with you know stargate so i think um annie jacobson
the research in the in the black um what are some of the wilder testimonies of the space kids that you
spoke to so basically but the space kids like yeah there there were a lot um and again the reason the
to like google people but um yeah a lot of the the ones we got were were again after kind of talking to
i'm not some crazy conspiracy person like after all that um yeah they were really open but um you know
outspoken loves to call people a schmuck he's written about um in the hippies saved physics uh by
by david kaiser this mit guy yeah and um so i didn't know he had any interaction with uh uh puharic that's
stuff yeah and um he uh says he gets a call from the future and then and then you know they tell him
well you know it's a crazy connection i just thought of um in that story the so the sarfati story
uh quickly is yeah he he got this call from this metallic voice which is what some of the um get what
some sort of you know alien intelligence but um i don't know if you remember his part of the story
buharic in the 50s um at the round table doing everything they were doing there whoa yeah so do
mind because he had something to do with um i think it was the army's psychological warfare department
and that's the same guy sarfati references but in these journals he mentions um meeting townsend brown
met him and this was again i'm positive it was 53 was that that journal so yeah he was going there um
know a rocketry genius like you know as a young kid um was all was way into this like you know like
in his in his teenage years um or was like you know if you think about like what would be one of
and um it was a letter and he goes you know my my friend you have to meet my friend he's really
townsend brown engaging in a ufo crash retrieval and um i think it's in the late 50s and it's like i think
like that time you have telegraphs that i think um or telegrams that uh his daughter um i think has
uh i i know this i think through um this amazing researcher on townsend brown named jan lundquist
you know um coordinating with wild bill donovan the oss he was like as high up as it gets when it
comes to intelligence and there's a telegram from um him to josephine who's townsend brown's wife
and military elite um so it makes sense if puha rich was as well on the kind of the psychic
see like his his his assistant at one point kind of mentions this idea that like not not um not long
stuff that was not supposed to be um read you know or seen it's amazing there's a lot of other names i
yeah d um yeah some of the wilder testimony yeah the space space kids yeah so yeah they so they just
basically recounted a lot of like um what they experienced a lot of the channeling sessions so
a wilder story is um uh this one of the space kids his name is jaime he's um from mexico city
but um he told me a story about he um he was met at one time he was doing an experiment with
buharic's assistant this woman who's in the film um they were doing an experiment they were meditating
know but that's one of his stories that was really bizarre any ufo related stories um yeah there was a lot
of um there were a couple like the classic you know right now there's a ufo that's sort of hovering over
this session and then some claim to have witnessed that um there was a few stories like that so that
but um then there was a lot of um but like if we're to get super concrete about this like is that
idea where that content is coming from um i don't know yeah yeah it's strange because
well it's like i said before um they they speak a lot about this idea that we have the ability of
nuclear bases um but then now i'm like you're making me think this is real
is a crazy rabbit hole yeah obviously uh um what was i going to say you know you're see now you're now
because um there there was a lot of uh well you know the the classic thing where like with disinfor
was um there is uh i think i sent you something about this guy a while ago and uh i i have to say
now i don't know enough um so i don't want to go too much into it but there's a guy his name is oliver
riser he was a um philosophy professor at university of pittsburgh in the 60s and 70s um
letters but this guy's theory um riser was you know the ability to communicate with you know et ufo is
now all sorts of stuff like that um so i guess what i'm getting at is maybe there was some real
works and so him and puharic were um exchanging a lot of letters about like you know do you have
um so that's that's fascinating yeah very interesting so yeah just points back to this idea that i i
um coupling to the computer data bank is often a term that is thrown around a lot and this idea that
now i'm back in the in the more cynical camp where it's well they said at one point he said um that you
mm-hmm um one of the space kids who i'm close with like yeah she she was like you know shocked i i i
that i mean i you know so i think um some of them want to just try to say hey look we were told we
free you know etc and a few of them um have become more open like the guy from mexico city i told you
that she was um she was working in the uh white house during the uh nixon administration and it
anything it was it was some sort of um uh program to i can't remember it was sort of like a snap
topic uh she became very good friends with um gordon cooper and she claimed to be a space kid i guess
can't apparently she's still alive but she basically um i believe was extremely deep in the whole ufo thing
and i think knew a lot we have a tape recording of um this guy elvis star who was very very high
white house um she believed she was in touch with extraterrestrials and he kind of makes a joke like
placing her what's what was his role exactly he was um so from what i understand is yeah he was like
virginia university but he was a part of all these like weird science um uh companies and weird energy
other than his more official kind of government roles but um he he has this because he was writing
a memoir and we found this tape where he was kind of like dictating um the what he was writing and he
says yeah i met her she was in the white house a lot um she knew a lot of people but yeah she basically
she just claimed that she could communicate with ufos that were giving her advanced um information
that's so great what um oh wow so so so basically she was there but but the kicker is like she was also
who i know who were um including the space kids uh were like yeah she was like she was connected
she was extremely mysterious we have no idea what was going on with her um so they remember seeing her
was doing some sort of work for the nro and um experimenting with satellites and messages from
because we have a tape recording of her um that was a phone call that was recorded but yeah if there's
so trippy yeah and there's a guy a kit green he um i mean i don't even care anymore at this point
out there online as that's you know very you know open where he talks about this i think but um
audience kit green um deeply involved he's a cia psychiatrist and doctor i knew that but after all
files around biological interactions from you know people interacting with ufos that was given to um
the psychological kind of you know um you know neuroscientific dimension of of this whole thing
this came from someone um uh named bruce erickson who's this kind of like new age researcher guy
who um i i know who's really cool but uh he knew her he knew valerie really well and he um painted her
but um he speculates that she was sort of um like a spy and and and the type that would maybe sleep
that but that was his theory um because apparently she was really good i mean there's one photograph
have in the puharach archives of her at lab nine um and you know yeah she was very good looking so that
was this one theory is that she was kind of like getting information um on behalf of who i don't know
what this guy said who knew her well that was his theory but um the other theory is that she um
like that but um the really weird thing is i don't know if you've seen it there's there's allegedly an
and it says valerie randstone like describes her ufo um experience you can go anyone can go right now
and her friends saw it and then after that she continued to have bizarre um sightings of ufo sightings
nine um and she brought gordon cooper there and then she disappeared and everyone who knew her was
to buy it on some odd website which is now down but um it's very very strange and um when i was
right around the time i was trying to um try to track down valerie he reaches out to me and he's like
like in the late 70s there really was like so much um unknown about this potential like radio
those those types of weapons and um you know radio towers that can beam a certain frequency that can
the middle of that and um you know there was a lot of people running around researching that at the
time and i think there was also a lot of research happening of um you know what's the potential of
this stuff what's possible with it um so and valerie was again interested in that and was involved in in
that so it's so wild um what are the implications for all of this on modern ufo disclosure which seems
this whole topic and i loved it i thought it was really well made um how can people go find it uh
well it's going to be for purchase um on you know itunes and youtube and that kind of thing
yeah we're going to do kind of like this uh release now with um age of disclosure okay we're going to
some interest in in um some streaming stuff so and any anything big that uh i didn't touch on that i
that's crazy oh oh um the one thing i was going to mention is um this is again an example of something
him because because he was uh head of uh naval intelligence i think during this exact time um that
those are the two working at that time um with the space kids and he was like no i've never heard
can call me back and and um but i just figured huh maybe he he knows something because we know we know
going into um the early 80s as well but anyways he didn't that's what harold malmgren always said
fact there was a um scientist working with buharic at the this time elizabeth rausher she passed away but
look and we couldn't find anything but but um you know they they were working with a lot of people then
um but yeah inman uh didn't come up with anything so yeah well he might have reasons to withhold
at the same time i believe yeah something like that um oh the other thing yeah the last thing i'll say
she's on a lot of these tapes so it was this woman named sharon so um you know sharon with two r's
but um people think that his yeah buharach's lab was was that so do you does this add to your
research and development centers like patel memorial institute and others and um you know they're
widespread way oh yeah buharach himself um again if you choose to believe you know what he says he he openly
um he talks about helping other countries with this the uk he said he traveled to the uk and helped
this woman that went on danny jones um i think are actually faking things the mother of one of the kids
index of aliens psi and psychedelics um and you were to you were to you know in like say it's like
interesting because of all this you know this resurgence of interest in it but um i know what you
been something like on him that's out there is um exciting for me obviously so yeah i think it'll
you know you know you're on the right path if you do that but um yeah greg this is an honor man this
more questions but yeah um i really hope everybody checks out the movie and uh thank you for being here