it's a wild time to be alive you know that is uh that's why i went with that title um you know
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many years and um you know when we look back 50 years from now it'll be this little pocket of time
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i was obsessed with that movie um x files was running on tv when i was a kid and movies like
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topic um these big questions like are we alone in the universe does the u.s government know more about
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life from elsewhere um but elements of the u.s government have been covering it up um so i've
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years and um i always wished that someone would make a really credible serious non-sensational
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ever made that film um my career ended up going into mainstream producing um i had a lot of uh
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up like big commercial stuff um the biggest that people know would be ready player one yeah which
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spielberg directed um and then uh it was uh yeah it was on the set of uh ready player one
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that might be um and uh i was uh i was actually doing research for a scripted project um a couple years
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um in that that had worked on this topic for the u.s government and um started having just private
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it very serious and does know a lot more than the public does so in those those conversations um
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that originally were research for for a scripted project like i said um uh i started to realize that
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um these people that i had formerly would be that i formed relationships with would be great
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that thing that i direct to and so um it's sort of like the the origin and then um
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um and really kind of open the public's eyes to what's really been going on and uh as i started
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to as i started to socialize that um it started to catch momentum you know one i would i would have
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couple of their friends and sort of sent me down a rabbit hole um eventually i started getting
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um same thing with the senate armed services committee and what i didn't know then that i know now
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is in that same moment um senior leadership on the senate intelligence committee and the senate
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the congress the white house um and the public and um they were trying to figure out a way to get the
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information and i spent about three and a half years putting this together um both uh learning the lay of the land
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um and then making it um doing interviews uh over the course of three years uh yeah in the beginning when
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a number of them most of them most of them most of like who um so for example uh jay stratton okay
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you know jay was was he one of the first people you talked to yeah yeah so jay was um in the process
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of retiring from government when i met him um at the at the time he was the director of the u.s
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intelligent life right um his story is pretty amazing he's really the central figure in uh the
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modern investigation of uap and non-human intelligent life and and frankly in disclosure he um he in a
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of uap that eventually became known as a tip um there was this moment in time where osap essentially
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um after that um he was tasked by uh leadership and naval intelligence and um and at the dod to put
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and he spent a couple years building it handpicking key members um some of your some of your listeners
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you know have heard some of those names like david crush who testified um to congress he was
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uh a member of the uap task force um yeah he was that was a big deal when he came out yeah yeah so
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he was one of the people on jay's team um was he in the film yeah he was in the film was there's some
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interviews yeah we didn't do a direct interview but but i had um i already knew i had him in the film
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through his congressional hearings where he was right saying that the most important stuff so um and i i
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and then um once i got connected with the senate intelligence committee specifically
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um i formed a really strong relationship with the the guys who run the senate intelligence committee
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staff so most people don't know this actually it's really interesting so um the senate intelligence
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uncovering this this truth um and learning all the reality of it um so i formed i formed a
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from south dakota senator gillibrand from new york from the democratic party um once they leaned in then
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bullshit you know um that i don't end up uh misunderstanding the lay of the land and presenting it
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um they i i shared with them people i was considering interviewing sometimes they would say hey you
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should you know stay clear of that person um sometimes they would guide me to people they
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community um would make up a story like that to try to have it end up as you said received by the
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um talk about this topic and reveal something they learned something specific they experienced or saw
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um have this it's the same backstory you know they they did they did experience that but it was staged for
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them because um at the time there was a there was a in those in those situations there was either a
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russian or a chinese um uh unit of spies that that that were were being fed information through this
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this public spectacle like like the paul thing um so look i think the reality of it is uh everyone i
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all this and then the people who had already realized it um are are are taking that new interest
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that you know and um in the in the weeks since uh his two of his cabinet members pete exit the secretary
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when you give technology to a private company like a defense contractor um to understand it which is
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it or fully understand it um there's just not a room for those engineers sitting in an office at
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you know the dod um and so you know he explained how you know you you you give that technology to
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a defense contractor and then and then as you said um over the years they keep working at it they stay
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knows a little bit about the program but doesn't know everything and then the guy after that um doesn't
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to this point where um the defense contractors hold a lot of the cards and um at the same time though
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um everyone in my film that talked about this this this hidden program uh referred to as the
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legacy program um they they they all say that it has just been it was immediately removed from
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interviewed um told me this isn't something we got into in the film but um multiple people told me that
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strategizing but many people told me about um information sharing um back in the day between
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that's never happened you know um maybe maybe it's a coincidence that that that those meetings are
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backlash or anything yeah there were a number of people um there were uh there were there were a
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handful of officials who um because of their their their their roles at the time couldn't
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couldn't uh couldn't do it uh intelligence officials um and then uh there were a couple people that was a
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what they know um the one that always stays in my head is uh is a uh someone who's um part of the
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word choice you know um but uh you know put yourself in my shoes man like i i had i immediately was
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point also of telling everyone i talked to um it's just the truth i would say hey i don't want to know
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you know right um don't want to be in some crazy dangerous situation um you know there's there's a lot
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you know and that stuff's fascinating enough um it also does beg the question though of like what's
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know non-human bodies being in these crashes and um talking about the extent of the cover-up uh it's
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that we're not dealing with one non-human intelligent life that we're dealing with um
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that sounds uh could be one of the other possibilities of origin um there's also the possibility of
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guess it's it'd be foolish at this point to take anything off the table you know yeah but um
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fascinating yeah and then you have you know people like um who was it timber chet that said there was
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there no tim look tim's tim's a great guy and um yeah he's great he's really uh he's really on top of
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top of this it's like it's him uh anna luna from florida um burleson from missouri moscowicz from
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florida uh carson from indianapolis um that's that's like a short list of people that are really on top
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about it uh how does he know that multiple leaders um in the navy in the u.s navy you know
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ranging from admirals to um naval intelligence officials have told congress about craft moving
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at impossible speeds under the water past our submarines and um so much so that they tim gallaudet
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tim's one of those people yeah um so much so that they they're they're making the logical conclusion
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that they're that there's bases and um it's crazy it's crazy man you know um apparently you know i'm
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miles right um there was one that was that was tracked in aguadilla right in puerto rico that they
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absolutely crazy i mean look the reason why jay stratton was the one who changed um using but you
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thing that came out of my interviews um a number of the officials including a senior cia official uh
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jim semivan um talked about how the program that that has gate kept this the legacy program that is
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person if you look into it you're nuts you'll have your reputation ruined um like a couple movies
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foot you know it's ridiculous and um and the average scientist didn't think it was real and so the
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simply understand that it's a real situation that it's a valid area of inquiry and um yeah this the
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raise you know this issue up the flagpole within the government right um he was constantly faced
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this bullshit you know and so they weaponize it dude there's a crazy a great um story in annie
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is this big monolith so it's not that in that um i learned pretty quickly you know leadership of the
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time and there's there's career bureaucrats at um within the air force and within the department of
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the defense contractors are used for reverse engineering they are only given um you know certain
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um is apparently a key player in the situation because they have the best experts on um technology
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that um gives off great amounts of energy and anything related to creation yeah and and they you know
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centers um so they they also have a classification system that allows to keep all of this um extremely
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i didn't because um a number of the people in my film made it clear to me that uh those folks you know
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know slam the door on even them when they were inside of government you know so um
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gatekeeper was at the cia and um he went to go to talk to him literally knocked on his door and uh
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he wanted to see if he could get some answers to some of his big questions and um you know he knew
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and as a number of the officials in my film say um there's been a misappropriation of funds you know
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been told that there's a lot of um uh off book funding from the public sector uh wealthy just wealthy
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that's been gleamed you know um it's a lot of money out there in the world you know um
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um some of these people you know likely if you you know if you if you put a gun to the head of people
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race with adversaries and so um the best course of action ultimately is to not share with the public
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um but i do think the same time that we've gotten to a place where we would benefit from the basic facts
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these craft are working essentially right um they are tapping into an energy source that we are
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or whether it's um using quantum entanglement to bring large amounts of energy from somewhere else
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they're warping space time in a localized area they're creating um with the scientists in my film
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it it allows it to do things um that you know this is kind of what bob lazar described right in his
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physics as we understand it yeah it's just in its own space time yeah um but the reason i just went
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have um i mean just look at the boeing shit with the boeing whistleblowers with the whole boeing lawsuit
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one of the most interesting people i've ever met too is hal pudoff dr hal pudoff um he's a senior
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create superior weapons yeah um so anyway like i mean look maybe how's right maybe he's wrong but his
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his outlook is that um because this technology could be so revolutionary to the way we live and because um
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all of humanity realize that we have more in common than than than we have differences right and um
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how to deal with it um now look that might just not be in the cards that might not be possible the dynamics
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might not the dynamics between us and our adversaries might not allow for that but it's um it's certainly
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um in my opinion the most interesting time to be alive because some some some amount of the truth
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know um and also why haven't we seen do they plan on using any of this stuff on the battlefield
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in the intelligence community that's in my film um told me that um
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um when when he formed a confidential relationship with someone in the leadership of the legacy program
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he asked them straight up um would we break this technology out uh on the battlefield to you know
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the last thing the last card that we played basically um and the idea being that the reason being once
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um and i remember when i was told that and i was that was that was pretty mind-blowing um
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yeah or a craft with weapons on it yeah right um i mean if you go from if you can go from
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um where do you come at it do you think do you think it's possible to to make it a humanitarian issue
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and control everything that happens and that just like work behind the curtain and um it's hard to
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like politicians are basically like fake stand-ins um yeah you know again i hope like dave grush was when he
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guessing game of what it is and just make it a real thing for people um the reason i think this the
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get and i think we'll get it relatively soon um what was how and eric davis what was their view
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possibilities um the you know interdimensional extraterrestrial um ultra terrestrial uh yeah
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long time ago broke off the human family tree um you know there's so much of our our planet that we
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essentially you know on on uh unexplored um yeah i mean antarctica is just like a big mystery box
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yeah um so you know look there's a lot of possibilities the the only thing that's certain
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is that um you know a number of people my film know as a fact from their from their work with the
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and um you know the other thing is you know they say people say it in my film but uh
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um but the best we can get now is people who have great reputations putting their credibility on the
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thought um how taking a photo of fish under the water the water basically like warps and occludes and
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these things are out there how come no one's ever gotten a good video um with their iphone everyone's
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you try video filming these things um from outside the bubble that they've created the bubble around
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you're never going to get anything more than the kind of footage we get now right um but at the same
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people my film have seen and go on the record saying exists um it's very clear cut uh indisputable i've
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under there's there's this pro um this agency called the i think it's the u in r or nro something it's
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the navy knows a lot for sure um you know jay stratton who ran the uap task force and who co-created
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intelligence official um but i do i do believe him and and his colleagues who i've gotten to know well
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when they say that despite the navy having learned a lot they are still um boxed out by the legacy program
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they're catching on sonar they're grabbing that data for right the the the the um
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cameron was ahead of his time and yeah you know on to something um yeah the water stuff spooky
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abyss the abyss makes you rethink this you know um it is spooky the the people i've spoken to who
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mean i've you know for example that um in my film one of the one of the interview subjects
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and um he said that him and a few other guards i think it might have been might have been six i
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you know visible means of propulsion it was just there this giant um rectangular object the size of
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a football field uh and then he said it took up took off thousands of miles an hour up the coast and um
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sending dummy nukes up or something yeah same base vanderburg air force base decades prior um he's
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a missile test that was happening and um they shot a dummy missile up and they had it being filmed by a
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bunch of different cameras um just to study study it and uh while they were filming a uap
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told you know never to talk about it and and you know essentially like wow dude threatened in a way um
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things um that my interview subject shared and um a long time ago they realized folks involved in
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that would attract uap and lower them in and um then they could collect data and get get uh get
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create circumstances that would cause some crashes which seems like a pretty risky decision um but uh at
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the same time i think um my understanding is that adversarial nations have done this and do this so that
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so if we don't do it then we would fall behind um again one of those like examples of this being a
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conversation yeah right and uh i found that fascinating interestingly um i just learned through some
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of my relationships in the government right now that um some of the intelligence officials
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saw with their own eyes uap um i was told this in confidence uh by a couple people within the last
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couple weeks and then interestingly um congressman burleson um who also had learned this uh shared it on a
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podcast i think last week a few days ago um that he had heard the same thing
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shake those trees and in that process apparently um some of them were given a demonstration on how
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days ago congressman burleson said it on a podcast um i was just going to keep it to myself but then
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drape such as drape j stratt yeah um have told me that in the past nuclear footprints were used so
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you could put a nuclear submarine in a certain area and nearby it you could put um another vessel with a
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whoa yeah so actually um something that you know your listeners will find fascinating um so so jay
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his colleagues had about how these things could be lured in how they how um how elements of our
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ago it was i want to say the 90s maybe i could be wrong could be in the 2000s um who said that he was
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fucking like um like almost human-made crafts like ufos and they were loading these people onto them
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made him want to tell his story and like switch teams um but and then that's like the whole
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that but um i have heard about um i have heard that there are people who have the ability to
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communicate um using the power of their mind and i i i know that probably is like the most wacky
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mind you know um but this is what i've been told by super serious people um there uh there are a bunch
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of um there's a bunch of really uh grounded not a bunch that's the stupidest way to say it there's
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uap topic he um ran stargate he was tasked with building stargate and what stargate was was a program
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this for a while there's there's even um there's even recordings of past presidents talking about this
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um saying that they the military actually acted on intelligence that the remote viewers gave
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the craziest leap um to go from accepting that remote viewing is a real thing even though it's hard to
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have those abilities can also communicate uh from a distance with um non-human life um there are
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right um and so you know that that is that is sort of the bar i've always held like you know i i put
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weight in things said by people who fit that description you know and um whether that's you
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who you know doesn't want to get himself killed and doesn't want to um you know lose his ability
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um within the department of defense or or the cia and you retire you're collecting your pension as a
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government worker um the way the the what a lot of them do after they retire from government work they
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for two years it's like such rare air i mean you unprecedented access to information you know um
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um number of the people in my film are are actively working uh in the private sector using their their
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clearances really yeah the number of them dozens of them actually and um you know none of them have been
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he was um the director of national intelligence yeah he's been the head of multiple other intelligence
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and play a role in disclosure and he shared what he could and it was pretty significant actually um
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that is real it's a valid area of inquiry and um i remember you know when i interviewed him i'm this
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like he got a weight off his chest yeah when he said that and um i think he was at a place in life
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yeah yeah he is you know and and and yeah he's been caught up in some um you know political
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laptop thing um you know i know a lot of people will say well i don't think he was honest about
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good you know you know and and he was like no this is important so you know um and and and and to be
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did jay get you in touch with clapper um no okay no i just think it's you know it's important to keep
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and um you know it is important to know that this guy literally lied to congress and said that the nsa
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yeah like it kind of just came out yeah um and uh yeah but i mean
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narrative to the american public you know a specific narrative um you know who knows you know who knows
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in the 40s and kept it secret and never used it to benefit our country right and um
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of the ais like compare the um just do the gdp of the top five or top ten united states uh military
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major defense contractors um are in the top ten corporations yeah that's cap wise i don't think the
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actually went and investigated it and um completely came to the conclusion that it was not man-made like
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20 30 years out um in terms of air and space technology it was literally his job so like the
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yeah um but let me put it to you this way it's just not realistic if i'm if we're the american
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like yeah it's a great company it's a great company it's a great company but um i just don't believe that
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and they're both making progress yeah i think um you know in the film until those officials refer
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to it as the manhattan project on steroids i think that's real um hal putoff says on on camera he throws
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legacy programs work and some of it might be a result of china's program right um so i think that
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public to right to say things without overtly saying them and um i think that those set of circumstances
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the film eric davis um he says the exact uh number i'm not gonna i'm not gonna try to uh quote it because
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doing extensive deep research on anti-gravity and electro-gravity effects yeah and um these scientists
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certain that they have exponentially um expounded on that research since then yeah and like even if
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you take like um you know all the missing money in the u.s government where rumsfeld said right before
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of that unaccounted money has gone towards yeah this technology race and funding this effort um that's
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there is um non-government non-contractor money involved in this and i never really got got any
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details it not enough to be able to talk about um so maybe maybe there's another whole hidden hand
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involved in this that we that we don't know about yet but um
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um you know you brought up earlier we we um before we took a break we were talking about
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um consciousness and remote viewing yeah and um one of the more interesting stories i want to circle back
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to um i met an intelligence official um we'll we'll we'll refer to as scott who um was a high level
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and um he ended up on a mission in the middle east and came back and he had an illness and long very
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like that he was you know it messed him up and he was just like hallucinating um but then it happened
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or something like that i really can't remember it's under 10 um saw ufo and apparently it came out of a
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a couple guys from air force office of special investigation showed up to um talk to him
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the mom had heard of it so she's like jogging scott's memory and then um after that it sent him down
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um long story short he found a collection of files that his father had and it was broken down by the
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years of his life scott's life and um yeah so it's like scott year seven scott year eight and inside
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probably should keep those details so this so this this this guy in in real life scott is um someone i was
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introduced to um from someone in my film and he is writing a tell-all memoir right now and simon and
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schuster is the publisher and um i don't know when it's going to be complete or when it's going to come
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of time with them and it is just the most bombshell singular story i've ever heard in my life and um
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and the base he was assigned to was the old um space command base at that time yeah and then uh he
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try to piece together his past and he started finding this massive cover-up um
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um in those records was um was um his excused absences from school for weeks at a time he
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um there's all these other things about his past that as he started to look into it became clear he was
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a part of something as a kid after this uap event um and then it was all covered up and something
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caused him to forget all this then the brain surgery brought all these memories back um and then just
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to skip to sort of like the end of the story um when he started socializing this to some of his high
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level intelligence official friends um he found his life in jeopardy and there were a couple attempts
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uh uh uh to end his life and um fortunately that stopped and uh now he's you know he's around to tell a story but
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we're you know average people don't um maybe it just like turned on something that's in all of us already
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maybe it's sort of like heightened an ability that had been sort of like repressed or whatever dormant um
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um um those are kind of like you know the two the two thoughts right um but either way it seems that
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event led to him being um recruited into a program that that that worked with young people kids that
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show up to talk to him about right so um yeah the same thing happened in rendalsham right yeah yeah
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there was a there was a joint military uk base there in the 80s it was called um i think it was called raf
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simply put there was a joint uk military base in this area of the english countryside and um at the
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weapon sites um like right above uh where nukes were hidden underground and a number of the base
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some of them got very close to them um one of them one of these guards ended up having a lot of
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negative biological effects um heart issues and some other medical issues uh as a result of the contact
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with this this technology being close to it um
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and uh interestingly also similar to the scott story um the day after um a mysterious
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um and people that identify themselves as being a part of air force office of special investigation and of the cia
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them a lot of questions um years later those witnesses told the base commander many years later told them
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that they were given some kind of um serum now whether that was to like erase memories or like whether
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and um there's a number of people who have had encounters on bases who then were promptly um put in a room
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it for years um but the the overlap with um consciousness remote viewing yeah and this is is a
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the producers on it um by all means james gets all responsibility for making that movie that was his
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yeah um there was a school in uh in south africa yeah in rural south africa yeah and it was a
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international school it was young young kids from from um actually a lot of european nations people
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whose um parents were working in south africa for some reason and uh so it wasn't it wasn't like local
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south african kids it was like and it was distinctly an international school yep and um
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with them um the message that these kids all got was that one there's a clip of there's a actual
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technologically and then it could lead to destruction right it was like a warning right and um that was the main
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takeaway from the communication these kids claim to all not all but many of them experience um all the kids
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gets even wilder is there was a very um very grounded credible hardened wartime news correspondent who was
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him if these kids were all you know expert liars or crazy so he he he phoned the um the head of child
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saying they experienced yeah and then years later um james fox uh um tracked down a bunch of these
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themselves um one of them says she's actually never told her husband about it like just didn't want
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yeah and um you know i was really grateful he you know he brought me on to that project as a producer
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um towards the end of his process and i was able to play a role in helping get the movie out there and
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second was i know what i saw right mm-hmm i think so yeah yeah um but uh yeah moment of contact was
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and james james did the best deep dive ever on it um and i'll tell you i i have heard from some of my
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people who shared with them evidence of this having happened um medical reports yeah reports
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of the biological effects to civilians in that area um people that got zapped by uh this uap
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in this event this this specific event um the the brazilian military did a massive investigation of it
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had had a role in covering it up and just you know sure making sure it never never made it to the public um
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you know talking about james james fox and his filmmaking um just you know makes me it's another
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reminder like how important um civilian journalism is you know like we know about this stuff because
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talking about it on podcasts like yeah um in the past there wasn't enough people bringing attention to it
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and because legacy media didn't bring any attention to it right and is largely controlled um people
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where i came out on it was um to have the film cover the base facts of the high level situation
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right it could be in a follow-up film it could be in a spin-off um it could be in something else i do um
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that was enough you know yeah and i actually had um in one uh cut of the movie i did have a little like
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three or four minute scene that touched on it wasn't abductions but touched on um the personal
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crafts like straight up ufos within eyesight of their homes um that's covered in a lot of my interviews
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i did test screenings um small test screenings with trusted friends time and time again at the end
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just headline questions and i always would say was there anything that you found um hard to accept and
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happening right now and and and and um put the right brain power towards it because we haven't
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experienced it yet and rubio makes points about um there being several examples of that blowing up in
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get their missiles through the straits but until they did um and so there's histories full of these
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overlap you it was like tell me what you heard about the aliens so talked to um several people who worked
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base where they encountered um uap and then not human beings um oh they encountered beings at their
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various not at work yeah not at work um one one story that did happen on the on a base though um
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to digress but i've been thinking about um maybe doing a dvd a blu-ray with special features on it i like it
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few draws of uh dvds in alphabetical order like like a lunatic that's awesome um but uh
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uh yeah i think i might do that one day but so one of these interviews um i did was it was it was
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basically became like you know catatonic like frozen they couldn't move and um he said out of
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was no longer where it was in front of the the uh the nuke um site he was now at the bottom of a
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couldn't move he was like gripping the steering wheel he said and um over the base over the radio
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hospital after they checked them um for radiation damage they checked their gums and other other
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would cause biological effects you know and then um they were told never to talk to each other again
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and the partner was shipped out to another country very quickly soon after that whoa yeah and um
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the aftermath was like almost exactly the same him and his he that guy was um in another vehicle he had
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investigation cia asking the questions and then um one of them was shipped to a base on in japan
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they're really chilling and um um each time each of those interviews um you can really feel when
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like it's like dramatic um one guy when he's telling the story actually i i he i noticed his like knee was
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humanoid and then smaller ones that did not look the same and um whoa and he said that the tall
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yeah yeah there's all this overlap in these stories and you know a lot of them um a lot of them happened in
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um in different they happened in different years and like the circumstances um
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there's also like a lot of there's a lot of like um
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there would have been even more um thoughtfulness put towards who gets those jobs yeah you know and so
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um yeah it really made an impact on me uh i just felt for this film you know it it was a bridge too
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serious situation and i do feel like that mission was accomplished um especially in how it led to
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you said um yeah that's who i was making the movie for and i think now that the average person is aware that
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scripted movies uh or whether it's um whether it's just you know news program special yeah i'm sure there's so many more
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a producer i've i've um i've built from the ground up a bunch of movies and tv shows you know including
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book to start with the the book by ernest klein um and developing movies and tv shows is is hard it's a
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it's a process it's a hard creative process um but this was the hardest creative process because
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this movie right that ten people would have watched because it would have been too long you know um but
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um more than ten people would have watched it yeah more than ten more than ten people to watch it but
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don't i agree they don't the same staying power they're not as evergreen um and um you know a
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um not only uh to become interested in this topic because of movies like et and close encounters
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but also to get into filmmaking i remember when i was a kid and um i became obsessed with with et
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then his friends would be in them um his family members would be in them and so i was inspired to
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do the same thing so like i i didn't i didn't have any we didn't have a lot of money growing up um
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you know normal like you know middle class in jersey and um so i saved up shoveling snow in the winter and uh
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you know mowing lawns in the summer um to buy uh a camera super eight camera a 16 millimeter camera
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friends shout out to phil desjardins and dan gomez um yeah they uh my buddies uh growing up would would
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he had a great time and um when i go home for the holidays to my little jersey town i often bump into
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and like um but i was very inspired by spielberg to do all that like reading about him the fact that
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he did that as a kid is what made me want to do it as a kid yeah and um yeah i made i made like a
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is ernie ernie klein wrote the book amazing book he's an amazing author and um and uh i started
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collaborating with him and we i set it up as a producer i set it up at warner brothers um got them
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loved the book that's amazing and um i remember learning uh at the time that his uh wife had
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coincidentally just um listened to the audio book on her morning walks and so she had been talking
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meant to be yeah he was hearing from multiple people how wonderful the book was and um yeah and
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then so he he came on board spring of 15 and everything got fast tracked um we started
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and then it was in post-production throughout all of 2017 and um then it came out march of 2018
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2018 and um we premiered it at the south by southwest film festival opening weekend sunday afternoon of
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dude yeah yeah what's even weirder like kind of a glitch in the matrix um it was uh south by southwest
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within a couple blocks of each other which is kind of weird that's why yeah it's wild yeah um but no
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you know right or for other people or for the collective you know yeah um so i think i think movies
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man make a bigger impact on culture than anything else totally i really believe that and um i think
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it it makes them think about things they hadn't thought about um yeah it's uh it's a powerful it's
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multiple days because we don't have time yeah and um man i don't know where that goes but yeah no it's
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like it's days i do too i do too the um but making that movie making ready player one um i gotta say you
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cinematographers okay one of the some directors like to use the cameras the one he uses the most is um
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yamish kaminsky who shot our movie uh-huh amazing cinematographer also a great guy um and it was uh
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it was it was an um i mean put yourself in my shoes man i mean literally my favorite filmmaker since i was
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it felt like a kid in a candy store and um but he was very cool and um i remember actually uh
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one day uh early on in making that movie um myself and uh ernie klein were in in the lunch line with
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and steven's assistant came up behind us and was like uh hey guys i i don't want to interrupt you but um
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movie differently you know there's that great scene where um bill pullman who plays the president yeah he
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passed away he actually lived in my hometown um he played the head of the cia and he he has that
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bonkers um he yeah he played the the guy and yeah i remember that now fake boss i remember that
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awesome and then and then next you know they're at area 51 and then judd hirsch who plays um
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ocean or something yeah yeah yeah one of the people i talked to who wouldn't go on camera um he was a
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missiles um we shoot them out into the ocean they drop into the ocean they go far distance and they
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they'll just go recover the missile um they put it on a some kind of like a recovery system and they
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like you know how it performed um so that's just like a thing we do and so one of these tests happened
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it whoa yeah and then it took off um and these guys were just swimming in the water yeah yeah oh my god
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yeah yeah that's that's terrifying it's crazy it's crazy um but uh it was a really credible guy and um
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going to at one point but decided couldn't do it um but apparently uh that kind of thing has happened
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you know it is um it really is man we might find out there's a whole civilization under the ocean
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the other thing just made me think of yeah we're talking about spielberg um he was so ahead of his
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um and and when he made et definitely he also people forget um he also uh wrote poltergeist
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poltergeist the movie about i didn't know he wrote that yeah about paranormal activity um and a
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family dealing with it at home and um he was very ahead of his time go back and watch
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consultants um in the same way that you know before i made the age disclosure i formed relationships with
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insights um you know jock valet was is was one of the consultants on the movie that's the the french
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book and you know i believe i believe spielberg's talked publicly about how um alan hynek who was the lead
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investigator of project blue book was one of his consultants um so yeah he had he had people
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informing him um there's also that great story um i can't remember who shared this but there's a great
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story about spielberg um doing a screening of et at the white house for reagan and on the way out
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much truth there is or some line like that um i believe he spielberg might have told this story
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that was super obsessed with ufos well there was a lot um ford was into it carter was into it reagan
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that's that is a famous story that i've heard as well of um apparently nixon was a big jackie
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pop culture i don't know if it's real or not real but um this reagan thing i'm pretty sure um oh here's
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the here's the story about spielberg and et um can you zoom in a little bit in the new interview
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planet right and how it will help us um see more of what we have in common yeah differences we'll think of
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this this spielberg story and there's other stories um one of the one of the people i interviewed um
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like a right hand turn out of nowhere you know um and they were really great people super credible
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since some some form but one of them was a former nsa guy who was involved in um reagan's star wars
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and then bush the other the other one who has a big role we talked about in the film is um
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and when but that he found out that it existed and then when he became president he um went out of his
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way to learn the truth about it and and got very involved and then his son bush too um knew the base
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various uh parts of society scientists um people from finance um were put in a room basically and told that
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scale um each vertical like the impact on religion the impact on the economy the impact on just a list
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um and then when asked about it uh um i found a clip of bush asked about it bush too being asked
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about it on on um jimmy kimmel yeah he's like i'm not gonna tell you yeah right and timing wise it was
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from um sure coming forward on it yeah but well let's see if trump can see his legacy and be the
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interesting year we are we are 100 living in in the age of disclosure that is that is for sure um i do
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stratton's book that's gonna blow people's minds um i'm i'm thinking about what the next film i'm
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gonna make is um i'm having some high level conversations with folks in government about
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doing a follow-up film um there's also a bunch of these like standalone stories that i'm interested
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yeah moment of contact and focused on that one event um and um yeah and i'm building you know i i
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um i founded relentless releasing the distribution company that that released the film and um building
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that and uh gonna be releasing other movies as well so um that's awesome yeah i'm thinking about a
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um my pleasure man i enjoy i enjoyed every moment of this and uh we'll we will link your film below
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