as the nazi ufo guy okay like that was really his original training yeah was in um what's it called
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well i think orthodox okay orthodox okay eastern orthodox some version of that and um but he he's
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we've talked i didn't really think that he was um so i don't know you know we're always evolving we're
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in this stuff just you know for a few years recently since like the emergence of youtube um but i think it
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topic so um it's always just so interesting to hear people's takes on this stuff when they've been
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studying studying for so long um but for people that don't know who you are can you just give like a
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so um i got involved in this subject a little over 30 years ago so it was in the like 1993 94
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um when jimmy carter kind of strengthened foia at that time and so at that time a lot of
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corona you don't think it was any human manufacturing or any human technology no because i had so so um
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philip corso he wasn't a general but he was um an officer in the u.s army and uh in the late 50s early
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the day after roswell was published in 1997 he stated yes my assignment at that time was to um
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um but other uh i mean it seems to me that if you've got something as exotic as technology that
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areas that human sciences are trying to replicate and material science yeah like um
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to manufacture um and so that would be the material science and that would be an important thing like
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uh to what was his phrasing he said uh to serve as um a wave guide uh for high frequency electromagnetic
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so i started i'm looking at um all of these early documents that's really what got me in so i was
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as i was able to scrounge them up at the time this is back in the 1990s and um and i published my first
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tough thing to do uh but then i i got picked up by a different publisher and um and then that was that
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me um in its grip ever since so your theory was that the your conclusion was that the national
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fingers in this pie and it's not all uh federal government and um and so over the years like
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would drop me a little little drops along the way little breadcrumbs um and um indicating like
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whole topic was that documentary that you were a part of um about paul benowitz um was it the magic
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six yeah that's early that blew my mind that totally that totally blew my mind um such a first of all such
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is what was paul bennewitz actually observing so was he observing um advanced u.s defense systems that
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that um but the fact that they went in and screwed with him and convinced him that it was aliens
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for disinformation yes i think that's absolutely true and and um i wrote about this in one of my
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actively cultivating um ex-air force and ex-military people getting all kinds of stories about crash
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is probably true is you muddy the waters and you you um put out information that would
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empire of secrecy and the late 70s early 80s they make the decision in the early 80s like let's um
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the way yeah i think um when me when i had jesse michaelson here he was i think he told me that
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less than 20 that needs to be fake wow really yeah i don't i don't i mean um i think so because there's
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2006 and seven six seven 2007 and then um and i read the portion where wilson is telling davis
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um well it got it got leaked out so there was a friend of the family who was able to get some of
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no no and i don't think sarfati was part of the sri thing um okay that's put off and uh russell targ
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oh that's it okay and uh i i i know and adore russell uh as well he's a he's a wonderful man but um
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remote views yeah um but no i've been interested in that for a long time oh it's fascinating it's
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it was wild listening to um how i'll just talk about that on rogan's podcast and i've had a lot
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and the recent congressional yeah so like that was um oh and the reason i brought that up at all yeah
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the briefing with very impressive statements and um christopher mellon who's always on point made very
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with you today is what day is may 5th monday may 5th cinco de mayo baby yeah that's right um just a
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that story then we had um trying to get these in order oh matthew brown who's uh the uh latest we
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can say whistleblower interviewed by jeremy corbell and george knapp very interesting guy and then um
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gregory this was put out in the daily mail uh by josh um boom no josh uh forgive me he's a friend i like
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yeah i get like this ufo fatigue um and then i also go back and forth between like is it really
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about joseph farrell before this thing started and um and i'm a friend of joe's and i respect and
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and um interesting so i think yes like this goes back farther in time than a lot of the american
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that as impossible at all um i mean we're already looking at exoplanetary systems and looking for life
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more um maybe you can detect consciousness you know you can go we talked about remote viewing yeah
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enough to develop um advance life and which i think i i've come to believe i'm not a i'm not a expert in
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are uh the brain capacity of the human being today is less than it was among um our ancestors even more
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that you're right i think that's true like we've probably atrophied um and what that of course this
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in this solar system um all the different species that exist on earth i think out of so this is kind
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there's over two million species of animals i didn't mean to interrupt you isn't he the one who um
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it's convergent evolution yes yeah um which means basically species that have not related to each other
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um when i brought this up to greer he was he was explaining to me he believes it has something to do
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all right we're not gonna waste time on this it i gave up um so how so explain to me what made you
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want to um start working on this project involving usos specifically yeah one of the most uh rewarding
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uh little rabbit holes i've ever gone down so i have um i mean i've had a long standing
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um and you know i've i'd heard of this type of phenomenon for many many years uh it's always been
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when i was looking at the statistics of this um this whole thing happened because
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print magazines from the 1970s that i'd look for and just get them and and um find these cases where
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base which is most of them it's long along the coast that's where people about like um oil rigs
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how to kevin well yeah he um he made a really uh a really good insight on this and he just said look
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i just haven't found as many but along the um uh you get like northwest aguadilla man or you go out to
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trench in the pacific but it's you know close and it's quite large several hundred miles so you have um
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there are a number of pretty good cases from that area he's showing pulling something up and who um
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have collected a lot they do a lot of very good work out there um
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jacques valet book where there was like a massacre down there polaris yeah yes at the amazon um the
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delta reaching out to the atlantic ocean in the late 70s yes yes yes um and there's a lot of those
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where you've got um it's very it's just very important so maybe there's part of that that's
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going on maybe they're interested in that yeah um but anyway yeah there were some cases in the late 70s
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years some very bizarre cases of uh like human mutilation type cases um that he was looking into
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better than i do are these with um indigenous people or are these with sophist like like like uh
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i'm going to say something that's not accurate okay i see um but yeah this is look this is a subject where
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there this is at um it's after midnight so it's dark uh there was i looked into this there was like a half
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in his log it's 1825 his name was andrew bloxum we've got his name his his um book is published
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okay you can take that away from him okay but they um i don't know if they had a really good size
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name is james copp with a k and he also reported this to a couple of other um websites uh at the time
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like um i think what do they have f4s they were not operational so the aircraft would not fly or
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tic tac's a great case for sure absolutely for sure um i mean that one's like apparently it's
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and there's a lot of good witnesses for that um kevin day who operated the radar aboard the uss princeton
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and great to tell and of course we have david fravor's testimony and and um a number of the
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other witnesses now have come out um who have have discussed it so i i don't think that we have any
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one or two of american but the soviets soviet union um yeah they have some we we learned about them i think a
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there was a um apparently a a formal classified study of them that was supposedly within the soviet
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i don't want to mess it up yeah he's good okay thank you um i i just have to think like the drama
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phrase yeah yeah really it was my little thing yeah oh wow um and i was thinking because i'm interested
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in uh the study of human civilizations is a very um kind of i i once read uh the condensed version
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he wrote this arnold toynby he's a he was a genius okay and i think he died in the 40s um but he wrote this
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study of human civilizations anyway i was reading that at the time this is 2007 2008 and um i thought you
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um based on roswell tech or whatever other advanced tech that is kept secret but we had examples
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it as well and you could you can go pretty far with it um i'm usually i'm more cautious about it than
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wonderful person she's like a absolutely decent wonderful totally um so but she's also
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everything's now out in the open you can't really um yeah everything's got to be kind of tossed out
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totally different world uh it feels like but but um one thing that i've always felt is that a genuine
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name was billy and um yeah really affected my dad it was a real real tough thing so 9 11 was a very
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one of my theories on 9 11 is that um that people that were closest to it and affected by it the most
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in fact i did a i wrote a little tv series for gaia television um number of years ago on the history
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of false flags you can go find it go to guy and go look for it um that was much less than i had actually
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um people like my own dad my father uh you know when i started really looking at 9 11
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and i used to talk to my dad on the phone about this and um i have to be careful because i could
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get emotional uh so just forgive me here sure sure but um my dad learns that like richie
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all into this alternative theory about 9 11 and i talk with him every week on the phone and um
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and he came around you know my my dad um all right we'll have to talk about something else so let's move
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move on we'll come back to it when i can collect myself sure um we were talking about uh disclosure and
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um yeah what it would look like and what the incentives would be for disclosure and how um
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yeah i do because um well because trump if i can am i allowed to say that on youtube yeah um you know
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complicates uh disclosure as well um i mean look you know we were talking earlier in this conversation
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definitely a large amount of people out there who um for you can't really blame them that they know
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that so but i'm not i don't look at it that way so i don't have a lot of their um you know predilections
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nature you can never not expect that but um but there are definitely the secrets the real hardcore
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do you have um sort of like a a checklist or do you have any sort of way to qualify people who come
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to um whether pro or con that go too far like you want to take your time with these things
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and provide their own perspective and that just takes time and it's nuanced um but no i don't know if
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finishing one of my books and um i ended up thinking i believe this man and i believed him because
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during those years i have a tremendous regard for george so um i ended up you know this is how i made my
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that he was yeah yeah that's right um like the the the brothel and the other stuff yeah he did uh
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happened i don't know i think he's talked about this it's like you know maybe i um i should have
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off to the side until i felt that i had spent enough time to research it yeah and um yeah at that time
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transcripts that he had done in like 1990 91 92. um he stopped i read them all he doesn't do anymore
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screwed my mind up was um the guy who went on jesse michael's podcast who was talking about
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he had a different he was had a different angle of it he was a part of some different organization but um
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um basically he says that he went to one of greer's public yeah whistleblower conferences and he
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of those wasn't he yes he was and um and you know you said they were they were keeping them and like
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publicly so i understood that's fine um but i during that whole period uh there was some really
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jacques valet talked about it in in his forbidden science one of his volumes in his diaries um oh
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really yes yes he mentioned knowledge of it at the time when at when um the ass when um
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to get a quick bath and break we'll jump right back in we're back folks we're back um we were
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talk more about the military aspect of this uso stuff yeah yeah yeah um what before we do that one of my
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questions that i've been wanting to ask you is um do you i'm sure you do know about um this base i talked
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um steve if you pull up the podcast i did with jesse it's in the timestamps i think it's its own
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so um apparently what what i for the way i understand it is they had some sort of
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these books um i break them into chapters and at the beginning of each chapter i try to highlight like
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was a part of this base somehow well there's an underwater version of the nro um and it's n uro
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uh national underwater um forget the acronym there's a a brilliant uh uf uh ufo podcaster on youtube uh
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there one one thing that they were they have they collected um a tremendous amount of intelligence
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or maybe the sea i think the halibut i can't remember but they um were able to get very valuable
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intelligence for a good decade or more based on what they were doing there they're like um yeah
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surprise me yeah yeah it's crazy stuff man it really is and another thing that um catherine
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you know i i um used to know there was a researcher uh by the name of richard souder dr richard souder
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and uh is he the guy that was killed no not too much i think he's still alive okay yeah you might be thinking of um
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so he looked into the um technologies that we know exist to go deep under the ground
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and to go deep under the ocean floor and that this is not an impossibility um we actually have
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a book um which back in those days i was his publisher so i know about it quite well uh he's publishing
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the uh prov bird lives there um so we don't want to agree with you i'm trying to consider
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um another thing so catherine was explained also talking a lot about these uh breakaway civilizations
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i'm certainly not and um i don't know as many things as he knows i have no doubt about that he
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apparently like mapped the moon and then uh there was this other guy um i think his name was tim who
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times a number of times and um is that believable yeah that's totally believable yeah yeah i could
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modern day paul bennewitz well one thing that i can say um i actually did an extended interview with chris
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that he did with anyone on on um social media could be when was it 2017 2018 a while ago i think
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attest to that certainly there's him there's his son and the other witnesses um i think all have come out
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his property which i have not been to so i need to be upfront about that um you know it's hard for me
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yeah i i tend to um i i don't think he's making any of this stuff up i feel like uh my my gut told
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um the thing that just raises my hairs is the fact that all these people from intelligence and and
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who knew him you know he was this guy who had just gotten into the ufo field yeah um medical doctor
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he was basically making the case that um essentially what the news article showed was uh the description of
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it's of profound significance and so that means there are people who have a stake um on the pro side
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at stake um and those individuals will use their assets in establishment media they will use their
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op yeah i mean uh it comes up frequently and um or it's come up frequently enough i suppose i can say
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a bit if you don't mind so i um you know i got into this whole field in the 90s when conspiracy theories
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jim mars had already written his great book um crossfire the plot to kill kennedy i was good friends with
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out there and we were developing as a society a um a much more like critical view and then you know for
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and sort of see where they all fit together and maybe where they don't and um provide that to
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levels but uh the fact is that it is is not for me to um to write someone off just because they see
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it's been submitted i'm just waiting for amazon to approve it so that's that's nice um i have a
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website called richardolemembers.com and um there's a paywall but there's a lot of free stuff
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definitely lay the uh most of it at the cia and uh the the deep state um i think kennedy's assassination
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rip through a couple of these questions if you don't mind yeah um gladly but that's all for the
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